IGN Editors pick the top 100 games.

[jetpack42]

http://top100.ign.com/2005/index.html

First off, the majority of these editors must be noobs. How do you make a top 100 list, and not include at least ONE of THREE incredible MegaMan games: 2 (NES), 3 (NES), X (SNES). It blows my mind, not even a mention.

No Earthbound. No Final Fantasy (NES). No Crazy Taxi. No Tekken Tag. WCW vs NWO?

BUT, they did put some astoundingly mediocre games into the list!
-Wave Race 64 (wtf?)
-Virtua Fighter (WTF?)
-Dragon Warrior
-Starsiege Tribes
-Super Smash Bros Melee (GC) (wtf? 64 one was MUCH BETTER)
-Burnout 3?

Also, SMB is a weak choice for number 1. SMB 3 or SMW are much better, and so are almost any of the other games on the list. I know, its the grandfather...but at some point that's gotta stop counting for everything...

Ocarina of Time over Link to the Past? What?

On the positive side, it was great to see Gunstar Heroes, River City Ransom, F-Zero, and Sim City 2000 in there; games which could normally be overlooked but definitely deserve to be there.

I've played 39 out of the 100, and this list is ok, but there are some pretty obvious games left out (see above), and some pretty bizzare scoring errors. Some games seemed clearly better games, just as a whole, and they ranked lower.

I'm still pissed about no Megaman. I challenge any of the editors of IGN to a fistfight.

[darth massacre]

Wow, I pretty much played half of the games on the list. And those I didn't play was either because I don't have the console for it, or I was too young to experience it.

I think the list was reasonable. No complaints about it.

[asoir]

Burnout 3 deserves to be there, stunning game.

[asoir]

Wait... FFVII only at 88?! These people are insane!

[Floris Didden]

BUT, they did put some astoundingly mediocre games into the list!

-Starsiege Tribes

Tribes rocks omg.

[Prometheus|ANJ]

DragonWarrior was pretty charmy.

Tribes 1 is really good, definately a top game!

I heard they left out Metroid and Zelda (NES) >:|

MegaMan 1 and 2 are my favs. MM3 is pretty good too. Don't like the X games much (ew... the huge feet). RockMan Zero (GBA) has nice gfx and conceptart. Megaman Legends had the awesome reaverbot atmosphere and Tron Bonne of course.

SMB may seem a little bland and silly now, but when it came out it had a lot of new concepts and it was well polished. I'm not a huge fan of it, although I appreciate what it did for the platform genre.

I haven't looked at the list but I wouldn't be surprised if they left out 75% of my favourite games.

[Scubasteve]

Waverace 64 was an awesome game for the time. Burnout, I never got into it, its way too arcade-like for me. I'll have to check out that list though....


Wow! Im actually pleasently supprised at the inclusion of some of the more abscure titles. WingCommanderII, Day of the Tenticale and xcom! I thought I was the onely one on earth that played xcom! I loved that freaking game...


Ahhhh, sweet memories!

[tinyhands]

Ign imo has gone to complete shit. They used to be a pretty good source for things, and I still browse every now and then, but for the most part it's teh gh3y. Theres way too many recent games on the list.
And...

Final Fantasy 6>Final Fantasy 4
Final Fantasy 7>Final Fantasy 10

ign is run by monkeys and idiots, and the idiots are jealous of the monkeys
christ.

-tiny

[wassermelone]

This is pretty obviously one guy's opinion turned into an article.

[Scubasteve]

Damn tiny...you ok over there?

[HugeHarHar]

Seeing as I've played 75 out of 100 on this list I have to agree that it was either one guy or a small group of people there who did this list.

Heh, and oddly enough I agree with Jetpack completly. There's always a first man.

I could say more, seeing as I'm a complete gaming geek, but I'm simply glad they didn't include Mortal Kombat. And honestly I was expecting Halo 2 to be number 1 and the Summery be:

OMG! HAXORZZ DIZ GAME BEZ TIGHTZ!!! W00T WTF HALOZ 2!!!!1111!!!

But, I was happy with Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Super Metriod(Where's Metriod?!), Ico, Fallout, and Contra. I can imagine all of those games being ignored.

Thanks for the read.

[jetpack42]

Waverace 64 was an awesome game for the time.


Yeah, it was fun for the first couple hours, but best of all time? And at number 24????? ...that just makes nonsense....

[tinyhands]

Damn tiny...you ok over there?

Yeah, I'm cool, now that my meds have kicked in, and I've downed about a fifth of Jack Daniels. woot!
Nah, I just don't agree with alot of their choices for 'all time' games. Alot of recent games are hardly worth that kinda praise imo.

-tiny

[cthomp]

no crazy taxi! now that was just a fun game. was lumines on there? i just looked at the top ten.

[AngryScientist]

No Myst! I mean.. COME ON! Not even Money Island or Neverhood! WTF?!

[CruShTinbOX]

i agree that burnout 3 definately deserves to be on there. imo, it's one of the best racing games ever made, and one of the best games, period, of 2004.

however... all in all this list is absolute rubbish. but that's the way all of these lists are really. it's all just a matter of opinion.

[0kelvin]

The major problem with the list is that it's unclear what the judging criteria was. Some games are up there for fun factor, some are up there for replayability, some are up there for innovation. How do you judge games against so many different criteria?

The only Metal Gear game to make the list was Metal Gear Solid, despite MGS2, 3 and Twin Snakes all being more fun and the original Metal Gear being more innovative.

I'm just happy Goldeneye beat Halo and FF4, 6 and 10 beat FF7. Overall, the list was pretty crap, though.



0kelvin

[silverslash]

Ign imo has gone to complete shit. They used to be a pretty good source for things, and I still browse every now and then, but for the most part it's teh gh3y. Theres way too many recent games on the list.
And...

Final Fantasy 6>Final Fantasy 4
Final Fantasy 7>Final Fantasy 10

ign is run by monkeys and idiots, and the idiots are jealous of the monkeys
christ.

-tiny


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[Gezstar]

dude. dragon warrior is not mediocre! it spawned the whole japanese rpg genre and was great fun to boot.

[jetpack42]

dragon warrior has nothing on the original Final Fantasy...maybe more influential? but not even close to being in the same league in terms of graphics, fun, gameplay, etc.

[Undefeated]

Sid Meier's Pirates at #6! Awesome! I still fantasize about that game. Why don't they make an updated version?

[Matt Smith]

Some of those top 100 were a joke. Where the hell were the quest for glory games? In my opinion they should have been in the top 10.

[Groover McNab]

Glad to see Day of the Tentacle and Grim Fandango on the list. It's an ok list, order is kinda whacked out tho. I'll take FF III (VI) over FF II and Chrono Trigger any day.

[tinyhands]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/Silverslash/1119818386937.gif

lolz! thats awesome jose.

Geztar- the dragon quest series is awesome, can't wait till DG 8 in november!

-tiny

[Sammy]

Sid Meier's Pirates at #6! Awesome! I still fantasize about that game. Why don't they make an updated version?

Ummmmm..... Where were you last x-mass?? :$

Enjoy: new pirates (http://media.pc.ign.com/media/566/566713/imgs_1.html)

WaveRace 64 truely belongs on the list, I'm happy it's there ---- One of the first truely 3d racing games centered on physics and analogue-control.

How do you make a top 100 list, and not include at least ONE of THREE incredible MegaMan games: 2 (NES), 3 (NES), X (SNES). It blows my mind, not even a mention.
I have to agree.... I'm fully confused, MegaMan2 at least needs to be on the list for still having one of the best game soundtracks .... one of the best ever.

EDIT: ---- gave the list a full read-through..... straight-up, their list sucks ass. Seems like it's one editor's personal list, and he's confused on the defenitions between 'influential' and 'best'
#1 Super Mario Bros.?!?!?! Most influential, maybe ----- but there's a ton of games on that list, just as old, that we'd be much happier to play today.

Though there are some great gems in the collection that I'm happy get some respect.
73 - Return Fire
96 - Herzog Zweii
64 - Advance Wars
54 - Panzer Dragoon Saga
18 - ICO
12 - X-Com
60 - Day of the Tentacle

As much as I love RiverCity Ransom, it just doesn't belong on the list --- SuperDodgeBall should be in its place.

........ God of War #33 my ass, when will people get over that dribble?

and..... a top-100 list is for-not without a great shooter:

http://www.romman.net/rompic/DC/012936_a01.png
http://www.vgcity.com/~media/ikaruga/ika03.jpg

[HugeHarHar]

Oh man, Ikaruga is insane. I love that game.

[tinyhands]

and..... a top-100 list is for-not without a great shooter:

http://www.romman.net/rompic/DC/012936_a01.png
http://www.vgcity.com/~media/ikaruga/ika03.jpg

Ikaruga was a damn cool game. Although I think Radiant Silvergun is far better imo. Granted I don't think most people have played it cause it wasn't released in the states. Amazing shooter.

-tiny

[Scubasteve]

Yeah, I guess 24 is pretty high for waverace. I actually like fZero64 better then that.

[Prometheus|ANJ]

I liked both Final Fantasy 1 and Dragon Warrior 1.

I liked FF1 because you could pick your own team of custom characters. The later games didn't have this, too much character design in the way.
FF1 also had a nice little universe with dwarfs, elfs and other stuff that just happened to be there on the world map.

DW1 had pretty poopy graphics, but it was less linear (I love unlinear) than FF I think, or it felt that way. It didn't nanny the player, so you had to be responsible about where you treaded. It was quite possible to run into a dangerous area and get your ass handed to you by a Gold Golem or whatever.


I would love to make a simple oldschool RPG where the battle mechanics are more realistic just to see what happens. If a 5 meter tall 10 ton stone golem puts its foot on you, you're extremely dead for example.

New Pirates! got pretty poor reviews?

[jetpack42]

good points prom. I LOVED being able to choose your own team, and see your characters fight, change weapons, etc. man...that just makes my day. I enjoyed FF1 a whole heck of a lot more then DW1, but you make some good points.

A realistic RPG with some older elements would be great...damn do I hate 99% of games today...

Also, I think Finay Fantasy Tactics should be on the list.

[Gezstar]

Geztar- the dragon quest series is awesome, can't wait till DG 8 in november!

-tiny

fuckin a man - i've already got it (live in japan) and it's one of the best games i've ever played. it's like they brought akira toriyama's world to life.

[tinyhands]

fuckin a man - i've already got it (live in japan) and it's one of the best games i've ever played. it's like they brought akira toriyama's world to life.

Sweet. Yeah, from what I've seen it looks amazing. I remember reading, on ign actually, how crazy it got over there when it released. Man, I can't wait, I haven't had a good rpg in a long time.

-tiny

[SteveO]

The lack of "Elite" or "Carrier Command" makes this a very suspect list.

[Shinryu]

Originally Posted by jetpack42

A realistic RPG with some older elements would be great...damn do I hate 99% of games today...

Damn straight, its all the bloody consoles, anyone can make games now(well you know what i mean), the ratio with say a console like the PS2 is 200 or more shit games to every 1 gem, sure that has been pointed at before.

I would really like to see a good 2D re-revival. The GBA hinted at it but i would like to see more adventurous games, not the "omega port fest" (which was fun for a while) or the "lets milk it", in saying that if Chrono Trigger was ever directly ported i think i would wet myself, cant see it now with the rev's functions

yeah a realistic RPG with elements of the old days of snes would be awesome, but one day i fricking hope i play a part in the development of a 2D RPG game, which people will just enjoy as much as i enjoyed playing a game like Links Awakening way back then and the same maybe even for a 3D game.

I guess just bring back the days of Nintendo and Sega, nothing against Sony or Microsoft or any of the companies trying to get into the buisness but sometimes they turn out any old crap, then again I cant say i remember everything about the Nintendo Sega sort of era, maybe it was the same back then, i only know that most games i have a go of these days are complete baulberdash.

anyway i think that list is rubbish, sure some of the people around here could come up with a better list.


-shin

[Gezstar]

Damn straight, its all the bloody consoles, anyone can make games now(well you know what i mean), the ratio with say a console like the PS2 is 200 or more shit games to every 1 gem, sure that has been pointed at before.

I would really like to see a good 2D re-revival. The GBA hinted at it but i would like to see more adventurous games, not the "omega port fest" (which was fun for a while) or the "lets milk it", in saying that if Chrono Trigger was ever directly ported i think i would wet myself, cant see it now with the rev's functions

yeah a realistic RPG with elements of the old days of snes would be awesome, but one day i fricking hope i play a part in the development of a 2D RPG game, which people will just enjoy as much as i enjoyed playing a game like Links Awakening way back then and the same maybe even for a 3D game.

I guess just bring back the days of Nintendo and Sega, nothing against Sony or Microsoft or any of the companies trying to get into the buisness but sometimes they turn out any old crap, then again I cant say i remember everything about the Nintendo Sega sort of era, maybe it was the same back then, i only know that most games i have a go of these days are complete baulberdash.

anyway i think that list is rubbish, sure some of the people around here could come up with a better list.


-shin

if you want to play a good recent 2d rpg, try some of nippon ichi's games.

[jetpack42]

man, I just had a genius idea. If one of these companies (nintendo, Sega, Microsoft, Sony) would come out with an "old school" console dedicated to 2D games. Development costs would be way lower, the system and games could be way cheaper, and I bet they would sell like gangbusters. Call it, the Old School....You'd never have to buy the next version of the system, a one time purchase good for games to be made for the next 50 years....All they would have to do is develop games on a regular basis and people will buy them....

[Aerythes]

Oh yeah, I'm also disappointed they didn't put up FFT on the list, seeing it's probably the best of a whole genre of turn-based tactical games. How the hell is it not better than Advance Wars?

And they actually put Mechwarrior 2 on the list. That game is somewhat fun to play, but hardly revolutionary or memorable at all.

...But at least they remembered to include Archon :teeth:


Gezstar> How does DQ8 compare with DQ7? The graphics must be a huge improvement, from the screenshots I see. How is the gameplay, though? Frankly, I find DQ7 a bit too boring, and didn't complete it.

(One thing that is consistently great with DQ is the music. Composer Koichi Sugiyama is the shitz!)

[Shinryu]

cheers Gezstar, i'll try and see if i can get to play any of them somewhere, any you recommend?

i wasnt a huge fan of advance wars when i played it, i would probably have placed tactics ogre knights of lodis on the list instead of it and jetpack that would be sheer genius, Communities like this (with the right funding and people on the job) could make games for it :wink:


-shin

[Matt Smith]

A system dedicated to all 2d games would be awsome with graphics like the latest 2d games would be great. We would finally get some descent castlevania games again for consol.

[Prometheus|ANJ]

I never played DW3 for GBC much (cuz I can't stand the crazy leveling inflation that's in almost every single RPG) but the character class sprites just looks too cute! DW3 GBC characters (http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/nes/dw3/classes-gbc.shtml)


Advance Wars was very well executed, but the concept was far from new, so no innovation points for it.


Jetpack> I think the Rev might be targeting retrogaming & indie games a bit. Word is they might use some sort of server that indie developers can upload games to, and people can then download/buy them from there. That means no hardware costs.

Even oldschool games can require some CPU. For example, it would be cool to remake Zelda with pretty much the same GFX style, but actually make Ganon a real intelligent antagonist like Sauron. He could send out scouts and armies, whilst the elfs are striking from below with guerilla attacks and raid into dungeons. In the mids of this is Link (the player), making a difference.

That sort of thing would require all creatures in the game (lets say about 2000) to be updated simultainiously, going about their business. The Triforces could work as respawn/resources.

oops I'm blabbering about my geeky wet dreams again.

[Sammy]

Ikaruga was a damn cool game. Although I think Radiant Silvergun is far better imo. Granted I don't think most people have played it cause it wasn't released in the states. Amazing shooter.

-tiny

Radiant was damn cool, but i think most people think it's a lot more fun than it truely was just because they're playing some crazy rare game ---- It gets points for being one of the first cave-shooters in 3d ..... but for the most part, it was a more complicated RadenII. (not a bad thing)

I've never seen a game push the ideas of a genra farther than Ikaruga has, and still remain at its core roots-traditional .... Ikaruga gets points for subtly blending addictive puzzler elements, and making a shooter more engaging/energetic by going with simplicity rather than complicated (as most cave-shooters were getting)

[0kelvin]

man, I just had a genius idea. If one of these companies (nintendo, Sega, Microsoft, Sony) would come out with an "old school" console dedicated to 2D games. Development costs would be way lower, the system and games could be way cheaper, and I bet they would sell like gangbusters. Call it, the Old School....

Or an even better name: Game Boy Advance.



0kelvin

[jetpack42]

that's funny Kelvin. I went and looked at the upcoming releases....buncha hack versions of 3D games, or dead franchines and kids games......totally weak. Dynasty Warriors, Gumby, Spider Man, Disney, Poker, Spyro, Berenstein Bears, Nicktoons, Scooby Doo, Sims, Mega Man Zero 4 and on and on and on

Only thing interesting are old ports (such as Megal Slug or Worms). Maybe Mithri? They've got a couple awesome games for GBA, but almost all the awesome ones are ports such as Sim City 2000.

I'm talking about a system that companies would make REAL games for. I don't call porting games "making games" for the 2D crowd.

[silverslash]

that's funny Kelvin. I went and looked at the upcoming releases....buncha hack versions of 3D games, or dead franchines and kids games......totally weak. Dynasty Warriors, Gumby, Spider Man, Disney, Poker, Spyro, Berenstein Bears, Nicktoons, Scooby Doo, Sims, Mega Man Zero 4 and on and on and on

Only thing interesting are old ports (such as Megal Slug or Worms). Maybe Mithri? They've got a couple awesome games for GBA, but almost all the awesome ones are ports such as Sim City 2000.

I'm talking about a system that companies would make REAL games for. I don't call porting games "making games" for the 2D crowd.


all the games you listed are selling to some extent, and thats enough to keep them in production it seems.

i think okevin was on to something however, a system already exists mainstream that has the capability to do what you suggested (gameboy advance) Why try to reinvent the wheel?

the system itself isnt any less valid, just has a ton of bad support.

does anyone here remember kid chameleon for sega genesis??

drools

[Gezstar]

shinryu - i'm pretty sure disgaea and makai kingdom (phantom kingdom originally) are out or coming out in the states. and a couple of others.

aerythes - both the graphics and gameplay are a massive improvement but if you didn't like dq7 there's no hope for you :wink: (just kidding.. but i loved it. it was so lovingly well made, and by true greats of our time).

[jetpack42]

I actually had a GBA, back when they first came out. Wasn't much to play at that time besides Tony Hawk and Dodge Ball....But the weak onslaught of games in the next year or so, combined with no backlight (damn you nintendo) pissed me off and I sold it shortly afterwards.

Anyways, I agree that the system is there, and there is a couple old school games to play....but the DS will eat all it's babies soon enough, and then what? Handhelds are going the same was as consoles...maybe I'm just bitter...

[Shinryu]

Gezstar - cool, i live in europe (we usally get the harsh end of the bargin), both are available here, might check them out one day.

[tinyhands]

Radiant was damn cool, but i think most people think it's a lot more fun than it truely was just because they're playing some crazy rare game ---- It gets points for being one of the first cave-shooters in 3d ..... but for the most part, it was a more complicated RadenII. (not a bad thing)

I've never seen a game push the ideas of a genra farther than Ikaruga has, and still remain at its core roots-traditional .... Ikaruga gets points for subtly blending addictive puzzler elements, and making a shooter more engaging/energetic by going with simplicity rather than complicated (as most cave-shooters were getting)

Yeah, Radiant has that 'rare' allure to it, but it was fun at the time. But Ikaruga definately do alot of things 'differently' in a very good way. I also really liked Square's Einhander as well, it was very different at the time, and pretty fun to boot. Too bad they really don't make that many shooters anymore.

-tiny

edit: Neo Geo = 2d games. Granted mostly fighters, but hey. Btw, Konami, make another symphony of the night. Kthxby.

[one2hit]

just wanted to throw out some cents. Burnout 3 is deffinately a very enjoyable game. The replay value is a little shallow, but the gameplay is fast, and very fun...crashes are great. Perhaps it's not top 100 worthy, but it's deffinately not average. Ikaruga is my favorite shooter, and a dang hard game! could barely beat it on easy. Where's the original metroid?

[Prometheus|ANJ]

I just played Yar's Revenge (Atari 2600), it has a pretty charmy story, and rather unique gameplay. Maybe not a top 100 game now, but it most likely was 20 years ago. There's hardly any remakes of it which is strange. I think they're releasing it for GBA soon though along with Asteroids and PONG. In anyway it made my drawing hand twitch. Found some research material.
Comic (http://www.atariage.com/comics/comic_thumbs.html?MagazineID=48) | Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yar's_Revenge)


The GBA suffers from the low resolution, and sadly the DS has the same problem. Would've been nice to have atleast 320*256 so regular retro stuff could be played without scaling.

Regarding metroid and why I like it, I made the following graph (http://web.telia.com/~u48508900/graph.gif) over the available unexplored paths vs progression in Metroid 1. Metroid 1 (and Zelda 1) has a significant hump, whilst other games tend to keep the amount of choices pretty even throughout the game. Metroid gets the hump cuz there's relatively few 'keys' and most of them are available very early.

---

Edit: After going through a few more Atari 2600 games it became even more apparent just how much of the 'game idea spectrum' that is being completely ignored by modern game developers. Being swallowed by a dragon-duck in Adventure is just... priceless.

[The Iconoclast]

Anybody played Shadowrun for the Genesis? It's my personal favorite 16 bit RPG. I understand the FFs and maybe Chrono Trigger were really, really innovative. However, Shadowrun gots a soft spot in my heart because it's based on Gibson's Neuromancer (drool) :android: :donk:

To be frank, I don't expect too much from 'BEST 100 GAMES OF ALL TIME' lists. Most of these gaming reviewers target a much younger audience, a lot of whom wouldn't have heard of half the titles you guys are talking about. To give you an example, my first RPG was FFVII and, for a long time, that was my idea of a 'classic RPG'. And then, I played Chrono Trigger. :dead: :O