wikipedia - can someone add info about concept art

[Pontemonti]

If I search for "concept art" on wikipedia, I'm taken to this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept_art
which at the moment redirects to an article about "Conceptual art".

Someone who has some time to kill should start editing the article "Concept art"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Concept_art&redirect=no

I'm sure it can become an interesting read if everyone helps out :)

And for those who are interested...art genres at wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Art_genres

[CaptainInsano]

Yoko Ono is a concept artist? I wonder what her handle is here?

Heck, I'll do the wikipedia entry.... how do I do it?

[dorian]

good idea!
I could translate the article for the german wikipedia, if that makes sense, but I don't think I am enough of an insider and know enough about concept art to write the original article. (and my english writing is too bad :) )


I think we could work together, I suggest the following paragraphs:

-What is conceptart? (intention, areas of application)
-Working methods history (increasing influence of digital working methods in the past few years)
-Well known concept artists (examples of work)


anything else?


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[Pontemonti]

Yoko Ono is a concept artist? I wonder what her handle is here?

Heck, I'll do the wikipedia entry.... how do I do it?
that's one of the problems..."Concept art" points to "Conceptual art", which isn't really the same thing (as far as I can tell...heh). Yoko Ono is a conceptual artist, not a concept artist, if that makes any sense at all.

you do the wikipedia entry by going to the "Concept art" page (the one which currently says that it redirects to "Conceptual art" and then you click on "edit this page" at the top. The good thing here is that you can add some stuff, then someone else can continue and add more. A good start might be to add some headers (have a look at the other wikipedia articles to see how they are done) and then start adding text. I'm pretty sure dorian's paragraphs are a good start :)

[wassermelone]

I think we should write here and agree on what goes there before editing the page.

Concept art: Its a form of illustration where the main goal is to get a visual design/idea across for a movie/s, video game/s, comic/s, (expand?) before it is put into the final product.

Links to concept art forums:
Obviously here...
Sijun - ?
Eatpoo - Although not necessarily all concept art, many concept artists turn up here...
CGTalk - ?

Links to conceptartists?
Star wars is probably a requisite so people know what we are talking about automatically.
Feng
Jason Manley
Andew Jones
Puddnhead (he wants to keep his fineart/conceptart sides seperate)
(EXPAND!)

Also: We should probably put a link like "Were you looking for Conceptual Art?" near the top as well as noting that concept art is a relatively new designation.

Edit: I think this discussion should be stickied.

[Bammer]

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46230

[madster]

Oh, c'mon, Bammer,
Some people really enjoy re-inventing the wheel...
~M

[Bammer]

Actually its more like people actually want the wheel to be invented instead of just discussed without results.

[_Mario]

How about starting a new wikipedia entry under concept design.
I wrote in the topic mentioned above that concept art and conceptual art are used interchangable (and it only gets worse if you try to translate that for example into german like here http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzeptkunst)
Both concept art and concept design are mostly used to describe the same thing for people who know www.conceptart.org

But IIRC www.conceptart.com used to be a conceptual art site (that shows that for some/most people concept art and conceptual art are the same)

If there were an concept design entry then that could be added to the concept art entry (and eliminate the auto redirect to coneptual art).

And someone looking for concept art would get the main entry with description and link to the two different concept art entries that are called conceptual art and concept design.
That way people could use the one they are looking for.

[wassermelone]

That bolding is rediculous.

Although in response to your point... I would say no. Just put a "Were you looking for Conceptual Art?" link at the top, and no one gets hurt. Concept art is known as concept art so that should be it's wikipedia designation.

[_Mario]

That bolding is rediculous.

Although in response to your point... I would say no. Just put a "Were you looking for Conceptual Art?" link at the top, and no one gets hurt. Concept art is known as concept art so that should be it's wikipedia designation.

Oops on the bolding.
When I started the reply I didn´t know that I would use the words that often and I just wanted to make it more visible (should have looked at a preview)

And the problem is that conceptual art is called concept art too.
and concept art (as we know it here) is called concept design too (and new concepts for industrial design are sometimes called concept design too.

For example on http://thunder.sslsecure.com/~artbyfen/services.html you can see:

- Environment and Set Design
- Character and Creature Design
- Vehicles and Hardware Design

That´s why concept art is also known as concept design (for games, films,...).
I just thought that using the concept art site on wikipedia as a "portal" would be easier.

[OSU_Samurai]

how much working being posted on this site, especially as of late, would actually be considered concept art? very small amount imo.

[wassermelone]

how much working being posted on this site, especially as of late, would actually be considered concept art? very small amount imo.

Ok.

Sure.

But what does that have to do with defining concept art?

[JERI]

I thought you wanted someone to do an entry on conceptart.org.

That would be more interesting.

[Daunting]

I've been suggesting this for the longest in the CA chat. Just never gotten around to actually trying to do it. I'll see if I can add something about different subject matter in concept art or something.

[wassermelone]

Alright I made the page to be edited at will:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept_art

The artists section is obviously not complete... and please add concept artists as per the definition and not your favorite illustrators. For example... Foster doesn't count.

[Prometheus|ANJ]

How about no redirect?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Concept_art&redirect=no



How about some short facts (fact if I'm right that is) like this instead of a list of names:

Concept art in movies

James Cameron not only directed Aliens, but he also did concept art for many of the designs seen in the movie. Most notable, the alien queen.

Other concept artists working on Aliens were Syd Mead and Ron Cobb.

Giger, who did the creature and organic design for the first Alien movie, was not really involved in the sequel Aliens.


...then it continues on about the Starwars episodes and GL's little OK stamps, etc.

...then there's a games headline with similar facts listed.

Of course the reader can then click on the name and goto the Cameron or Aliens page where there's more info. No point in going into any depth with these little blurbs.



I also think there's a good idea to add an example of a process (here written in tacky english):

1: Somone (the director?) has an idea floating around in the head.

2: A concept artist takes this idea and makes a lot of drawings, sometimes thumbnails (smaller drawings or paintings), sometimes more finished stuff.

3: Someone picks a favourite, or several favourites, or maybe refutes them all (go back to step 2).

4: The concept artist refines. Often several angles (orthogonal views, anatomy etc...)

5: Someone uses this as a reference for modelling or sculpting the finished product seen in the movie or game.

[Denart]

for the external links section, there should be one to that Feng Zhu G4 video! In it, Feng showed us all these detailed drawings of robots, almost looked like blueprints and they were so 'textbook' like. *shudders*
A side of concept art that most people dont even realize the artist goes through!

[davi]

i don't understand why there isn't a paragraph about me on the site either. :yayca:

[Slash]

Yoko Ono is a concept artist? I wonder what her handle is here?



I heard it was Jason something..


:bashful:

[BabylonCargoCult]

Maybe it's due to bad knowing of wikipedia but it looks like that the concept art article side was delete and now it links back to conceptual art again. :$

[wassermelone]

Uh. Wtf.

I'll see bout trying to contact someone over at the wiki.
Thats rediculous.

[wassermelone]

Alright, I found the "offender" and made a comment on his talk page (at the bottom).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Smoddy#Changed_.22concept_art.22_to_a_re direct.3F

Don't bombard him... but maybe some general disagreement with his edit =)

[EmmDoubleEw]

Personally I consider concept art to be more than just that. If I'm going off on a tengant please correct me though. I'm still young and I might have misconceptions.

1st draft (meant to be crappy and substanceless, please help me fill it up, also this is meant as an addition to what has been said, not a replacement)

Concept art can almost considered being a movement spurred by the creation of special effects in movies and later continued in the creation of video games. Although it is usually a commercial form of art, it has grown to the scale of an artistic movement.
Concept art is the process of taking the imaginary, the unfamiliar and the non-existent and transforming into a seemingly realistic visual illustration. Breaking off from a century trend of deconstructing reality in art such as in surrealism and cubism, concept art attemps to construct reality from the undescribable.
Unlike fantasy art which is limited familiar non-existent concepts, concept art gives a near complete freedom of creation. In this way, concept art is very unique to each artist since it is a reflection of his mind alone. Most often, a movie director will go through dozens, possibly hundreds of different sketches before choosing the appropriate one.

k, maybe I'm completely off and that's not what concept art is at all. But it's what it should be ;P

[Bammer]

I think you defined it really well, EmmDoubleEw. Especially when you said that stuff about how we construct realities that don't exist instead of deconstructing realities that do. That's at the heart of what Concept Art means to me.

[Times]

Yoko Ono is a concept artist? I wonder what her handle is here?



She'd post here, but "AAAUUAAHAHAHAKAKKAKKAJSJSSSAAHAHAUUU" is too many letters for a username. :)

[Poohgee]

"Concept art: Its a form of illustration where the main goal is to get a visual design/idea across for a movie/s, video game/s, comic/s, (expand?) before it is put into the final product."

-> Now I know that I am in the wrong forum .

According to the above definition concept art is commercial art.
Anything but art 4 art's sake.
Art where the client is the most important & art must make way 4 money's sake.

But I think its a bit unclear what concept art is.
And everyone will have a different idea.

Ill just pretend I never saw that definition.

<fingers in ears .. lalalalalalala>

:D

[GriNGo]

The first time I heard illustration, character/environment design, etc and all of this type of commercial art labeled as "Concept Art" was when I heard about this site. Although wassermelone might regret it, most people define concept/and conceptual art as the type of art most people in this community hate. An entry to wikipedia with that name (concept art) must describe both sides of that, and if you bother to read Wikipedia's rules, the article must be neutral and unbiased. Seems that wassermelone just wants to put his point of view on the subject, not wanting to see the other side of the story. That's why I recommend to change the point of view into Concept Design, which is a more adequate title for what wassermelone is trying to define. And what's with the blatant promotion of this site on the Wikipedia entry?

Later,
GriNGoLoCo

[sciboy]

This message has been deleted by sciboy. Reason: DIE SPAM!!!
Got to give the spambot some credit though, that article could still use some more info.

[DSillustration]

Oh, c'mon, Bammer,
Some people really enjoy re-inventing the wheel...
~M
haha!
whenever i unknowingly am reading an old thread, and i see a madster comment...
i get a litle scared.
seriously.

my first reaction is "oh no, she's back?!"
then i notice the date and am relieved.

[ricksmith]

Heh. Me too Dan...broke out in a cold sweat of terror.