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corky13
June 15th, 2005, 12:22 PM
A friend of mine posted this over at gfx-artist (reilanchan ... shes a darn good artist so you maybe want to check out some work ;) ) and i thought it was a great contribution to the comunity down there so i asked her if i could quote her in here...


... well I'm not sure how to start.

Some of you, especially my friends may have recognized that I wasn't online here that much in the last weeks and I wasn't very active. (Published hardly any work.)
Since I was very active for more than a half year now some of my friends were wondering and asking me what was going on.

My reason was hard to explain. I wasn't around because I had to think about something: art.

OK what was going on? First of all I have to say that it's not easy for me to form this in words but I'll try:

In the past I was told by many people how art has to be. Some of them didn't know much about art, others were 'elites'. But then I met a person who really made me think. He said "who cares how art is made? It's the feeling that is important." He also told me that I should try to overpaint something; it would help me to discover more ways to express myself.

He actually made me think the most because as I tried out what he had suggested I saw that no matter if you overpaint or not (for instance) you still need skills to do what you do. We know that many good and famous artists use this technique, but their images look so incredible fantastic that I for instance as I tried never was able to reach this level.

Then, finally I got a new art teacher and he gave me a fine book in which I read today. The authors name is Gombrich. He also wrote that there is no art in general, there's only the artist. And every artist has reasons for doing what he does.

OK it took me a long time to understand this all, and I admit that in the past I let others influence my opinion about art too much.


I myself was hunted down in the past by a minority of people for some stuff I did in art that I thought it was a crime to do so. And so I thought that others deserved it to be hunted down as well.

Sure, created art can be discussed over and over but I mainly think that some people who complain about beautiful pieces which may not have been created in the general way maybe are jealous, and so they hunt it down.
(Because some of he people who hunted me down in the past admitted that they were jealous of me gaining more attention for my work than them, and because my methods to work were unusual they thought it was necessary to hunt me down.)

I hope that maybe this thread coudl help each other, as Gombrich said we should try to understand the artists decisions. So I'd like to know more about photography or vector art in order to understand it better, because I finally understood that it doesn't matter how you work.

So okay... maybe this topic helped out in some way... at least I feel better now :)

So what do you think about this topic ? I think shes right in many ways even if i don`t agree 100% with her... its just so that I wouldn`t do overpaints, but surely there is some great art done by overpainting...

please post your thoughts...

Bloodstone
June 15th, 2005, 01:29 PM
I think its perfectly fine to express yourself in any medium, even painting over a photo if you have to. If you decide to sell it or express yourself at work using someone elses art, then there may be an issue.

I just disagree with the people who are dishonest about it. For example, someone who posts a "painting" that is obviously a photo of some webcam girl with fangs added and claims the painting is 100% hand painted in photoshop.

S.C. Watson
June 15th, 2005, 01:57 PM
That's fine if you are doing fine art.

However, 99.99999% of what we see here and on other boards (CGTalk & Eatpoo) is industry specific illustration where paint overs are an easy cop out.

It's all about the skill, baby. :wink:

fukifino
June 15th, 2005, 03:37 PM
That's fine if you are doing fine art.

However, 99.99999% of what we see here and on other boards (CGTalk & Eatpoo) is industry specific illustration where paint overs are an easy cop out.

It's all about the skill, baby. :wink:


Uh...I tend to disagree. In the commercial world, I don't really think the client gives a damn HOW you produced your picture. They only care about the end results, and the legality of the picture. If you achieve awesome results from taking photos of your models and painting right over them, I highly doubt an AD is going to throw it back in your face and say "I love this image, but I don't like how you did it." (Any ADs feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)

I do agree that, in the end, it's all about the skill. But some peoples skills might not lay in oil painting or draftsmanship. They might compensate with good compositional skills, inventive design and brilliant lighting. If those are your strong points, you go to school to figure out the rest and/or study on your own, but in the mean time, bills have to be paid so you play to your strong points and "cheat" on the rest.

S.C. Watson
June 15th, 2005, 03:41 PM
Sorry, fuk. I was attempting to be ironic.

Failed miserably. As usual.




I'll go slit my wrists now. :S

corky13
June 16th, 2005, 06:41 AM
Ive got a message from Rei ;)

Hello this is rei. I sadly wasn't able to register here - some bug or something.
Now everyone is discussing about the overpaint issue - of course.
This is one of the most discussed issues in the digital art genre.

In this case I have to agree with fukifino. When it comes to commertial work nobody cares how you do your work. (and you have to be fast there, some time there may be no time to spend 20 or more hours on a painting.)

I myself experienced in the past that several clients wanted from me to overpaint something for them. They really said it in these words: Could you overpaint this photo for me sothat it looks like a painting?
In the past, as I still thought one should be hunted down for doing such thing I refused to do so and so got no money.

In the last time I had serious problems: no money.
And I stopped to refuse such wishes because I needed the money and it was a faster way to work. I don't think that I should be hunbted down when I do an overpaint for a job.
(Because I know that I will do one in the near future because I accepted a new job and the client wants exactly from me that I make a photo looking like a painting...)


Help her register please...it says something like "The username you entered as your referrer could not be located." :(

silverslash
June 16th, 2005, 02:36 PM
Quote:
Hello this is rei. I sadly wasn't able to register here - some bug or something.
Now everyone is discussing about the overpaint issue - of course.
This is one of the most discussed issues in the digital art genre.

In this case I have to agree with fukifino. When it comes to commertial work nobody cares how you do your work. (and you have to be fast there, some time there may be no time to spend 20 or more hours on a painting.)

I myself experienced in the past that several clients wanted from me to overpaint something for them. They really said it in these words: Could you overpaint this photo for me sothat it looks like a painting?
In the past, as I still thought one should be hunted down for doing such thing I refused to do so and so got no money.

In the last time I had serious problems: no money.
And I stopped to refuse such wishes because I needed the money and it was a faster way to work. I don't think that I should be hunbted down when I do an overpaint for a job.
(Because I know that I will do one in the near future because I accepted a new job and the client wants exactly from me that I make a photo looking like a painting...)"


i guess if your in art to pay the bills then anything goes,

However i find it easier and less straining to pay the bills so i may be an artist.

-jose