Sketchbook of Noë

[Noë]

Hey there! This stuff is over three years old ^^ if you want to see my recent sketches, turn to the last page :)

Hi all!

So.. This is my first post,
My name is Marleen Renders, 15 years of age (EDIT; turned 19, the 16th of february 2009 damn I'm getting old! Been here for 4 years already) , and live in the Netherlands.
I've been browsing the conceptart forum since a long time ago and I guess I thought it was time for me to register now :P.

I'll post some sketches I've been doing lately.
(Most of the time during boring casses in school)
I don't have much time to really finish a drawing or to get better with my photoshop skills, but very soon there's the vacation..
You can see some more of my stuff here (http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=5427197&uid=2419646&members=1)

Sketches;

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/100000931.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/100000932.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/100000934.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/100000936.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/100000937.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/100000938.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/100000941.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/100000940.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/100000944.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/100008276.jpg

(the last one was my first attempt to paint something in photoshop)

That's all for now,
byebye!
Noë

[Fellah.]

Hi there
Good thing starting a sb. Keep hitting the paper. If you draw doing boring classes ( which i always did too :tihi: ), it might be a good idea making life drawings of your classmates. And its free :teeth: You will learn a lot of things very fast drawing from life like that.

[karma0zero]

good start.. when shading use more variation so you can tell the darkest areas from the lighter shadows. and when drawing hair don't try and draw every strand, just give a suggestion of it.

[Noë]

Tank you both!

@ Fellah; I'll try that one soon.. :) don't know if my classmates will like it but well, I'll see how it will go.
@ karma; Thanks! You have a point about the hair, I'll use it :) And yes, there should be some more contrast :)

Hug; Noë

ohh by the way; just a sweet little something I made..; Lisa (http://members.chello.nl/w.renders/Lisa).. I think she's sooo sweet.

[Noë]

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/100448894.jpg

a sketch I tried to colour in PS..
this is the original;
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/100421150.jpg

Marleen

[sprouty]

nice stuff .. maybe try some heads from different views beside front and profile.. 3/4 view and others.. drawing people in class is indeed fun.
i love the little lisa
the photoshop eye rocks especially for 1st try
keep it up keep getting inspiration... >:D

[deez]

totally agree about doing the sketches in class (i'm not saying not to pay attention...) but high school classes get real borin sometimes. i just posted one thing i did during italian, on some of your faces, the mouth looks a bit small

[Noë]

yep, it's true, I need to do faces from more angles.
will print some references soon so I can work on that better.
I made a face (front view again) a few days ago, but I'm afraid to place shadows in the face for I think it will ruin it. But well, the sketch isn't exactly finished this way so I guess I'll try it soon.

Thanks for the comments!
Marleen

[ChaoticKnight]

Long live drawing on the borders of notebook paper at the same time of taking notes in an Ap Art History class in High School! :D

Anyway, what these guys are suggesting is a great idea, but it might also behoove you to delve into the scientific aspect of anatomy. Knowing where muscles are, even if its with a book, can be a great help. I took an anatomy course in high school just to learn the musculature. I mean come on... what am I gonna do with learning what an action potential is and what it has to do with the central nervous system? :)

Great start and keep going! You have all the time in the world.

[Sems]

Hey great start I really like the ink one of "you" (I assume that's taken from your display picture) and your photo shop one is really turned out great. Draw as much as you can, in boring classes (as someone stated before) when waiting for busses or trains, anytime. I find drawing unsuspecting people is best, as you rush your self into doing it before they notice or walk away so your left hemisphere of your brain wont take over and tell you whats right and whats wrong and you will be surprised with your results (the right hemisphere of your brain is the drawing part, you should not let the left hemisphere interfere if you didn't know) I also suggest reading betty edwards drawing on the right side of the brain, interesting book and turns out AMAZING results. Keep posting more :)

[Noë]

there is no ink version of "me" there, these faces were all without reference I think. I also like the 'look at what i've become', but well, the nose needs more shading and stuff. Too bad I gave that one away :P

I really want to draw more but right now I can't find the time.. I am sooooo busy, damn school :P. It's surprising how much work needs to be done, even when you're going to repeat a class. But well. Whatever.
In two weeks I'll have plenty of time :D
Please don't expect much sketches from me untill then :)

Marleen.

(btw. thanks for the kind comments)

[Noë]

Hi :)
Here I am again.. I brought a few sketches, some of them I did in class. It actually is kinda hard to draw somebody before the person moves again.
But well, I tried.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/101486624.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/101486626.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/101486629.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/101486627.jpg

soon more I guess..
Hugs
Noë

[karma0zero]

the eye is well done, already better than mine.
in your profile views the ears are to small
the length from eye level to chin usually equals the distance from back of eye to the back of the ear.
in your quick sketches, don't worry about shading, just try and get the general shape and add details after if you have time.
you only need maybe 20 minutes a day to draw, better than a few hours once a week, you make better progress that way.

[Noë]

Hey again,
it's been a while huh? And it will be a while for I'm kinda very busy this vacation (stupid me :P, I planned way too many things..)
Anyways.. I bought a great anatomy drawing book, I decided to draw some arms first. Well.. I did just one, but soon I will do some more.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/103819399.jpg

My faces aren't good.. I tried to dray my boyfriend yesterday in the train and got stuck on the lips. I think the proportions are not good. He said he liked it and it looks a lot like him but I don't like it. Also the hair and shadowing is stupid :P. By the way, he was reading a book so that explains the "expression".
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/103819904.jpg

I also tried to draw a worried girl's face. I know the eye should be more to the right and should be moved down a bit. But I was too lazy to do that.
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/103819901.jpg

I like the arm most.

Hugs!
Marleen

[Noë]

just some new things.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/105061881.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/105061885.jpg
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/105061876.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/105061870.jpg

Greetings :)
Marleen

[bumskee]

good start and keep going. Oh and love the teddy bear. :)

[Noë]

soo :) vacation's over and i am back to the computer and scanner :)

i left most of my sketches at the place where we went. So not a really big update :)

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/109715940.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/109715918.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/109715923.jpg
(blegh bad shadowing)

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/109715938.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/109715931.jpg
eye studies done last night (with a mirror and a ballpoint :P)

that's it for now :):)

byebye
Noë / Marleen

P.S. My site is under a lot of construction, but i'd like you to check it out and give some constructive criticism :) (http://members.chello.nl/w.renders)

[Pesmerga]

Cool teddybear :teeth: I love your eyes :)

I think you should keep those anatomical studies for later. You should concentrate on the basics like proportion.

Welcome to CA Noë (that's a cool name by the way).

[Zebz]

I second what Pes said! Good advice. Studies are always good but keep it simple for now. You've come to the right place to learn! Welcome aboard!

[sleep]

i agree. you draw beautiful eyes! now do more shoulders :tihi: the drawing of melvin is good too, but the eyes seem a little big

i want to see more full body studies!

[Noë]

Hey there :)
i'm back again with some new sketches and scribblings.
but first..

@ Pesmerga & ZebzFree; thanks for the advise and also thanks for the compli, i've been drawing eyes longer then the rest of the face :lineart:

@ Tie; yes master :P And thanks

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/110519570.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/110519562.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/110519558.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/110519548.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/110519537.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/110519528.jpg
(nevermind the do to list; it's written in dutch :lineart:, the girl beneath the to do list is a friend of mine)

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/110519521.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/110519517.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/110519513.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/110519506.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/110519498.jpg

As you can see i've been drawing a lot at school (i had a lot lot lot of free time today: 3,5 hours of being at school not knowing what to do) i've been practicing the hands, they still need lots of practice because i can draw a hand, but it takes a lot of time to get it right (example (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5427197/87410875.jpg)).

Well I would like you to tell me what you think about it :)

Love, :scribble:
Marleen / Noë

[sleep]

i say more full body studies and the girl gives me some hands. are you deaf! :nohope:

anyway, your faces are improving! and your proportions too. heres a tip, try not to feather your lines. practise drawing long, nice strokes, not small repeated ones. and the drawing of the face under the to-do list is reall really good!

and a cat! draw more :meow:

[bumskee]

Hello, good sketches, progressing well, just don't think too much about quality now, try and draw as much as possible. If you do quality control that's good too but don't let that get in the way of drawing things you are uncomfortable with or scared to draw. You are doing awsome, good to see you drawing your class mates.. :) it's an awsome practice, drawing from life is good.

I was trying to read the "things to do list" I got the "CD" bit. but that's about it. hehe..

[1-thought]

___________________________________________
___________________________________________
_________um. try paper without LINES>_________
___________________________________________
___________________________________________

[Noë]

@ Tie; i wanted to do hands first :lineart:, and yes master.. i'll draw more cats some day :scribble:

@ Bumskee; thank you :lineart: i try to draw a lot but when i think about other stuff a lot it slips my mind often. But i'll try, especially in school.

@ 1-thought; well when i have something else than lined paper in front of me the teacher will take it away from me much sooner than if i don't.

not a big update today, only two little things :)

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/110893999.jpg
just some scribbling in class, nothing interesting

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/110893900.jpg
another 'trying-to-sketch-my-boyfriend' thing.

hugs,
Marleen / Noë

[Noë]

ouch.. it's time to update this thing!!
when I get home (at school now) I'll scan some stuff..
for now I'll search for some other drawings and stuff..

*found something*
I tried to line this sketch I made last week (school assignment), here's the sketch and result:
sketch (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122315496.jpg)
lines (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122315513.jpg)

hmm damn, haven't found anything else..
will scan soon.

bye bye
Marleen

[Erilaz]

Keep it up! You've got the right attitude and will learn heaps!
Perhaps try getting some foundations in first when you sketch, such as blocking out your subject before jumping into details.

[Noë]

so, here's the update.. I'm ashamed because it's mostly old stuff..

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122591476.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122591481.jpg
(omg that girl looks awful! :S that mouth... and nose!! ugh..)

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122591480.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122591482.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122591484.jpg

so umm.. sorry.. that's it..
i'm saving money for a tablet by the way, because i've been painting in photoshop a lot (really truly) and this mouse drives me CRAZY..
(and also I have a job, which makes it easier to save some money :P)

hugs!
Marleen

P.S. is my new av. any good?

[Noë]

Hi there! It's me (again..)
with just some new drawings/sketches

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122993329.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122993334.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122993336.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122993337.jpg
(that girl turned out to be a Neanderthaler girl :\ )

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122993338.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122993340.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122993873.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122993343.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/122993344.jpg

*hugs + kiss to sean :) *
Marleen

[sleep]

your new av is scary. just kidding, i love it. the girl in it is soo pretty. can i have her number?

i like your recent post, the eye is good and the faces are definately getting better. it seems you have.. dark tastes, hmm? slightly gothic? with all the strange trees and people.

your hands are good too, but also when drawing them try to think not only about the hand in front of you but the construction of it... how the bones fit together and think of it as a solid 3d object not 2d. sorry i cant help much, i'm no pro art teacher. but please draw more :o or i'll die. and you don't want that right?

[Noë]

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/123575461.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/123575471.jpg

like the right page way better than the left one :)
I really like how those faces came out on the right page :)
Used pictures of sadangel (http://angelphoto.ru)

hugs
Marleen

[Magic Man]

Yo, some of those studies are looking good - notice they are the ones with the most structure and form?

This is because you have reference to work from, I don't know exactly how you are working, but the things you should be most concerned with right now are observation and trying to replicate what you see on paper.

Working from reference will always produce better pictures on average, because you do not have the visual vocabulary in your brain yet - use these studies to build this vocabulary, ask yourself questions like "how is light affecting this object?" and "why does the color react this way?" - learn principles, not the picture and you will be on your way to becoming a great artist.

[Noë]

here are my sketches of today..

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/123683665.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/123683664.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/123683663.jpg
on the last one I tried to draw my sisters face, but she didn't turn out very well. :P

greetings!
Marleen

[SkapeGoat]

I looked through all of your sketches and can see the improvement. The anatomy studies are great so keep'em up. Try to use the mirror and do self portraits when you can. Maybe try to be little looser with your drawings...don't feel that every drawing has to be perfect just try to learn something from every drawing. BTW, the shading on your newest posts are looking better.

[crimsoneye]

Ya I see some improvement from your last few post in these drawings. When you are drawing try simplify the form into shapes. Try using the edge of your pencil to shade than the tip. Keep up the good work and try drawing everday.

[Dose206]

first things first, your eyes (the ones that you draw of course) are beautiful. and i was so excited to see the anatomy study in there, please do more! i think it's a great idea to draw your classmates, your teacher, whatever is in the classroom, anything that catches your eye because it will definitely help you n the long run. keep up the good work!

[Noë]

Hey! Thanks all!
I'm at my boyfriends place right now, my anatomy book is in my room back in Eindhoven (which is about 250 km from where my bf lives :P). But I printed some references at home and took my drawing paper and pencils, I don't know if the scanner here works, but if it does, there'll be an update later today.

@SkapeGoat; yes, I might be a little too strict on myself sometimes :)
@Crimsoneye; What exactly do you mean with simplifying forms into shapes?
@Dose; thanks! I've been drawing eyes for a long time now, so I guess that payed of. Anatomy studies will come again when I'm back home.

greetings
Marleen

[crimsoneye]

How would I says this.....hmmmm....When you look at the human head it shaped like an egg. Which some artist use to start off the form of head with. While others would use a circle and then put a line though the circle so they can accurately draw the face. Here a few pages by loomis that better illustrates what I'm trying to say.http://www.saveloomis.org/headhands/21.htm
http://www.saveloomis.org/headhands/22.htm
http://www.saveloomis.org/headhands/25.htm

[Noë]

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/124035279.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/124035281.jpg
left: my dear lovely love :scribble:, he didn't turn out great, but well whatever.. He was playing games on the computer when I drew this.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/124035286.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/124035282.jpg
right; I think her breasts are a bit too big :P

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/124035287.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/124035289.jpg

so far today's update.. :lineart:
As you can see in my signature, I'm in SSG #11 :)
So I will be updating at least 3 times a week now.
Since it's vacation now that won't be a problem, but when I'm at school again I'll have to try and remember to draw a bit every day.

Greetings!
Marleen

[Dose206]

i read last night (i don't remember where i read it though) that many artsits, when working from reference, will start with a detail and work from there. however, one will get better results if they were to start with the overall shape and form, then move to placement of details, then move to actual detailing itself. i had never thought of that before, and I realized that i am one of those people who start with a detail, mainly, i think, because I'm impatient and want to see something nice right away. I'm gonna guess that you do the same thing as me and I'm gonna suggest going for form first, and then going for details. but I gotta say again that you have made some great improvement, bravo!

chris

[Taj]

Definetley some proportion problems in the last few. Your studys are good but you have to remember when your drawing, draw what you see, not what you think you see. For example when your drawing your hands its a mix between a symbol of a hand and what your seeing, i know this can be confusing but I dont know how else to explain it. Good work, hope to see some more improvement!

[Pixeldragoon]

Thanks for droppin' by my sketchbook. Doin good, keep using reference. :D

Good luck!

[Noë]

@Dose; That is very true, I also start with a detail most of the time and them work from there. When I'm doing a face I used to start with the nose. But now I try to sketch the form of the face first, mark where the eyes should be, etc. And then go on, it works better I think.

@Taj; You could be right, but I really try hard to draw what I see. I think the problem with most of my hands is that I drew them from life, and that is much harder for me than drawing from pictures in a book. But I'll keep practicing!

@Pixeldragoon; Thanks to you too :)

So.. Here's a new update, I really wanted to post it tonight but picturetrail was being very weid, not displaying the pictures I uploaded, now it's fine again, so here are my yesterday sketches:

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/124335526.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/124335492.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/124335491.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/124335489.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/124335490.jpg

I'm not very pleased with them, but well I drew them mostly in the train and the train sometimes jolted a bit, that annoyed me a lot.

Greetings!
Marleen

[SkapeGoat]

Good work. Just curious if the darker face in the last post was from reference? The eyes seem a bit large, the mouth a bit small. Continue to draw from life and reference...maybe try tracing a few faces to get the feel of all of the shapes. I think right now you are drawing what you think the face looks like and what the mouth looks like ( i think drawing to much from memory) try to draw what is actually seen. Angle your paper so you can see what you are drawing and what you are trying to draw in the same line of sight this should help. Also, take a step back from drawings every once in awhile and it will help give you our perspective on your drawing.

[Noë]

@SkapeGoat; The face was not from reference, it is true that I tend to make the eyes too large in a face.. I think it has something to do with that I can draw eyes best, for I've been practicing eyes the longest now..

here's some photoshop thingie that I just tried to make..
I know it looks very flat and it needs much more values, highlights etc.. But well..
here it is.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/124439208.jpg

greetings!
Marleen

[crimsoneye]

I see some improvement in this draw your did from other ones. Since you said you start with detail. Here few thing should consider when drawing:

1. Work from large masses to progressively smaller shapes.

2. Detail is last thing that artist should worry about when drawing. Getting the groundwork and base is utter most importance. Getting mass in and checking proportion is first step in making a successful drawing.

P.S check out books by Loomis at www.saveloomis.org

[Taj]

Your stuff has great mood in it.

Start simple, start with basic shapes, Your stuff has amazing potential in it its just i don't think you have guidelines to help you and keep proportions.

[Dose206]

you have a drawing in the last few of your posts, and it's a girl's head and it says "better than first one" next to it. I really like that one. i'm not sure if it was from ref or from life, or just from your head, but it looks great. I'm also a little envious about how much time you spend putting pencil to paper. I find that I don't have enough time and energy to draw and get everything done that needs to get done, often times i have to sacrifice drawing time. keep drawing as much as you can, you will see great improvements!

[SillyLing]

It's looking good so far. Overall. I think you made a slight improvement.

=/ You should definally read some guildlines to drawing faces. As for now... =/ If you are going to try drawing something oringal like the PS painting, I suggest you having a referece right in front of you. You don't need to copy to use a reference. It's just there for you to check and compare.

Try and shade in one direction and be neater.

[Lazy]

Looking good, "Renders" good name for an artist :)

Perhaps more full body shots than only faces (they are funnier to draw but still)
you are getting better and shadings improving too.

Good luck!

[koroshiya001]

Rockin stuff. I would say to do more full body sketches, you seem to do a lot more busts and heads, but I think your full body needs a lot more improvement than those do. Keep drawing!

[Noë]

@crimsoneye; you're totally right, I think I'll try to make some quick face sketches by only using dark and light shadows.. Maybe that will help.

@Taj; cool avatar! Thanks for the comment :lineart: I'll try the basic shapes thing, I think I'll make a list of things I should do.

@Chris (Dose); Since it was christmas vacation last week I had a lot of time to sketch, but now there's school again so things will slow down a bit. The drawing you referred to in your post was drawn from reference (Marlene (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/pray_baby/gfx/image_13.jpg) by SadAngel (http://angelphoto.ru)) I was really unhappy with the first try (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/123575461.jpg) so I tried it again (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/124335491.jpg). In the update beneath is a third try, I really want to make that one look good because I like the reference so much.

@SillyLing; Thanks for the comment :scribble: I don't see very much improvement unless I start looking at things I made 1,5 year ago when I decided I wanted to try draw a bit more. Nevertheless I think I will soon improve more because I never drew as much as I do now. I will try to be neater, but I don't feel that all sketches should be neat, after all, they're sketches right? Guidelines for faces I've read, I just tend to forget them when I really draw something, but I try..! About the reference, true, I will need to find a good ref. because I intend to work some more on that PS image.

@Lazy; hahaha! I never thought about my last name that way.. :lineart: cool! I will soon print some more body references to draw. But I will keep practicing faces also because they're not far as good as I want them to be.

@Koroshiya; thanks for the comment :lineart:
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pfff.. wow, those were the most comments I've ever had here on my work.
It's only a small update, but well, I'll soon draw more. Am working on a school assignment at the moment, we need to design six freecards (it's too bad that we have definite subjects so we can't make up our own, but still it's a nice assignment :lineart:

so.. after a lot of blablabla from me, here are my two new sketch pages :P

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/125223865.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/125223380.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/125223379.jpg

As you can see I liked the pointe shoes that much much I decided to zoom in on them a bit :scribble: I've always had something for point shoes, don't know why.

love,
Marleen "Renders" / Noë

[Dose206]

Marleen,
good update, i like those foot studies. the ones in the top left and bottom left look a little bit wonky, the toes are a bit off i think. but man, those are some good studies!
as per the woman from the ref, she is getting better and better every time, but might i suggest taking a break from her, and coming back to her later and seeing how much she's improved. good stuff and keep it up!

ps. what are freecards? are you gonna post your designs here, cause I'm curious.

chris

[Panda89]

hey nice stuff! btw i think i know you from.. gfxartist? whatever
as i said, nice stuff, i think you can improve them by blocking the things you draw. blocking is a nice method to keep the proportions and to follow the rules of foreshortening.

hope to see more of your drawings soon =)

[Noë]

@Chris; I know about the foot in top left and bottom left, this (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/125228301.jpg) is where I drew them from, I think every foot except that top left (and bottom left) went sort of okay, but well, I don't know, that one just doesn't seem to work out everytime.. Will try again in a couple of days though, can't stand it *blush* :blah:.

@Panda; Ehmm, I do have a GFX account, it's called Marl1. But I haven't posted anything on that account, because I simply haven't made anything yet that is really finished and doesnt belong to the category sketches/doodles. (the guidelines for posting artwork say that you may not post sketches and doodles and stuff..)
.. ooh wait, maybe you recognised my avatar? That one's the same as my GFX one :P
What does foreshortening mean? :scribble:

love
Marleen

[Dose206]

well, after looking at your ref, it seems that part of your ref is wonky. i dunno, could just be me. i do think the rest look really good though!

[crimsoneye]

Noe keeps those studies coming. Since your in school now I would recommend that you bring some anatomy book with you. Look at them when have extra time or during lunch. Just study when every you have a little extra time doing class.

[Taj]

Heh, thanks, your avatar isnt so bad also ;). heres i list i stole from someone, its late now but ill try to get you links to go with it.

Human anatomy
- The whole body.
- The face. If you misplace a line just a bit the whole expression of the face
will change. Make studies of photos, your friends or yourself.
- The hands are also important (and hard) to learn.
- Daily cloting. It's important to learn how cloth wrinkles, how different
types of cloth looks and fits.

Gestures & styles
You need to be diverse and get fresh ideas. Learning some different styles
can be a good idea.
- Draw from life using your friends or people at a cafe, a bus or somewhere.
How does a person pose when he opens a door, reaches for his keys, and looks
intimidated by an artist?
- Marvel. How does the Marvel artists represent the human body with lines?
What details are important and what is simplified?
- Modesty Blaise, or some fairly realistic comic style. Drawing gradiations
with just blacks and whites isn't easy.
- Manga or a style you like. Again, how does the artist convert the human
anatomy into lines and color blobs? What parallels can you draw between the
different styles?

Enviroments
Putting your character in an enviroment really brings it alive. This is
something I definately need to learn myself.
- Landscapes with fields, mountains or whatever.
- A dense forest or a jungle.
- An urban or industrial 'landscape'.
- An indoor setting, like a room with furniture. Boring, I know. To be
honest I haven't done this yet.

Fetch an animal book...
..and draw some animals. A good way to design a monster is to morph different
animals into one.
- Insects, bugs and other small things. Mother nature have spent millions of
years perfecting the designs, so you better study them.
- Fishes and other swimming things.
- Mammals.
- Reptiles.
- Birds.
- Dinosaurs.

Common animals
These are especially important since they are more commonly seen.
- Horses.
- Cats.
- Dogs.

Machinery
You also need to practice drawing machinery. It can be useful when designing
robots and planet-smashing vengence-crazed battledroids.
- Cars of different models.
- Digging and working macinery.
- Military vehicles.

Still lifes
- Flowers
- fruit
- skeletons
- sculpts
- chunks of wood
- rusty metal parts

[Noë]

@Chris; yes I think that that foot in the ref is wonky too.. Oh by the way, freecards are free cards, like the Boomerang cards. I don't like my ideas a lot, too bad I can't do more than one on the computer.
@crimsoneye; you obviously have no idea how big and heavy my anatomy books are (I have two, one of my own and one is my mum's). I wón't take them to school because I'm too lazy and weak to carry them with me all day.
@Taj WOW that's a great list! It reminds me of a lot of things I still need to study. I think I'll print it out to look at it for when I'm bored and don't want to sketch the human body anymore... :lineart:
As you can see in my sketches, all I'm working on right now is the human body, I think when I can draw the human body better I'll start with things like machinery and animals. :lineart:

I'm in school now, just drew some more stuff (3 free hours in between 2 lessons today) I'll post the update later today :}
I got an A3 sketchbook from my art teacher for free, on the condition that I would show him from time to time what was in it.. Too bad we have an A4 scanner :P But well, I'll take pictures with the digital camera..

lovely lots of love (oh, I'm in a loving mood today)
Marleen

[Taj]

Yeah, I've read a lot that understanding the human body is key since most man made objects are designed based on ohow our bodys work, know what i mean? and animals will be easy because...well bones and flesh!...and fur :p

[Noë]

quick update, my daddy's almost every evening at the computer because he's practicing russian vocabulary (he's learning russian :blah: he's got an exam tomorrow)

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/125454637.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/125454636.jpg
on the right is my first try on a SP, it didn't turn out to look like me, but I did it quite quickly, about 10 minutes tops.. :lineart: Used a mirror.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/125454635.jpg
last one is the first 'freecard' I designed for that school assignment.. Not very happy with the result but I have not time to do it again, because I need to have 6 finished next tuesday, and this is just the first.. :scribble:

have to make room for daddy now,
greetings
Marleen

[crimsoneye]

I look like your skills are getting better from the last few that you posted up. On your second drawing I want to point out that the eyes are a tad to big. Remember to align the brow with the ear and that the ear goes from the brow to the bottom of the nose.

Are you using color pencil on the freecard? If you are using color pencil you might find this site useful. Even though he using if for portraits, however, it could be apply to other types of color pencil drawings.

color pencil tutorial (http://www.portrait-artist.org/color/colored-pencil-tutorial.html)


* Layering and crosshatching of colored pencil strokes, as a way to "blend" the colors together.
*Building up color gradually with gentle pencil strokes, and not laying down dark, bold tones right away.
*Keeping a very sharp colored pencil tip at most times.
*
Keeping your pencil strokes neat and clean, not sloppy and messy.
*Remembering that colored pencil can be erased to an extent, but it's pretty difficult to completely erase a dark colored pencil stroke.
*Keeping the paper surface clean, and not letting any stray crumbs of colored pencil stay on your drawing.

[Dose206]

hey, your arms are looking great! definite improvement there. i think though, that you should work on your hands some more. do them like you're doing the arms and you shouldn't have any problems. cheers!

Chris

[jermainevl]

I think I borrowed the same anatomy book from the library! Written by some Hungarian guy right? Anyway those studies are looking good. I suggest you try to do some more full body drawings and practice proportions with it.
Veel succes!

[Noë]

@crimsoneye; thanks for the tips and the tutorial! I will need them because in a few weeks we need to do a selfportrait for school in colour pencils.. The card I made was done in aquarel pencils (don't know if that's the right word). Oh by the way, the card will be cut out so it will look cleaner then, because I painted over the lines now. I will try to do more selfportraits and I will try to look at the size of the eyes better.
@Chris; I'm doing all the arms from my mothers old anatomy book, almost all my hands I do from life (from my own hands). I will try to do some more hands from that anatomy book soon, and see if they look better than the ones I do from life.
@jermainevl; I don't know about the anatomy book, the one where the arms and feet are from, is my mothers, she did art school and makes abstract paintings. I know that the book is written in german.
I hear everywhere that I should do more full body drawings.. I don't know what I want now, because I'm practicing arms and legs right now, and soon I'll start with the back and front of the upper body, I think I need to practice those things separately and when I understand that, then I will be much better at full body studies. Thanks for the comment!!
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I've been playing in PS with a smudge tool tutorial (don't puke ;) just click here (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=260976) for the tutorial :blah:

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/125609614.jpg

that's what I've made of it.
I have to go to work now, some new sketches tonight :lineart: :scribble:

love,
Marleen

[Taj]

That sky is really good, the ground could use some work. Try to incorporate it in a drawing of yours some how!

[TheGnoll]

well apart from the fact that you are indeed quite pretty :D, i can see some gradual improvement! ;)

probably i'll repeat what other people have said, but i didn't read the whole thread...

IMHO you should concentrate about the basic BEFORE looking at analtomy book, for examples in the first two years of my italian "art high school", we learn first the different tipes of shading, crosshatching, by trying different grades of light and shadow, then we concentrated on simple 3D shapes, trying to understand threedimensionalty (is this word correct? dunno :D).

Then for drawing a human body, we starded tracing some basic lines, the "flow lines" of the body.On top of those, we built up the body using simple shapes like cilinders and sort, then we started to define the shapes gradually more and more in a "human" way.After that, we used to render highlight and shadows.Try using coloured parer, white chalk and a soft pencil or ehm...well, we call it "carboncino", don't remeber the word right now^^

Anyway, the most important thing is DRAW, DRAW, DRAW, as much as you can, and even if u think the drawing you are working on is crap, just tear it apart (to calm down^^, that's what I do...) and...start another one!

...cool, i starded trying out drawing cloud with the same method^^

bye
TheGnoll

[Noë]

Sorry, I don't really have time to react to your two comments :lineart:
next post I'll do that!

I spent three hours drawing our cat "Okki", I don't think she looks like her, but hmm I don't know what to think really..
I definetely learned much about drawing fur :scribble:

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/125678010.jpg

(oh, by the way this (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/125678597.jpg) was the original picture, I really like the pic :scribble: )

hugs!
Marleen

[Taj]

Wow, i have to say, this is your best peice so far, great work!, i thought the head looked to round but its like that in the picture so its cool i guess.


(hugs marleen? haha i just realized you sign your posts:|)

[Noë]

Just one tiny thing for today's update.. My second "freecard".
I only have two finished, need 6 tomorrow.. :blah: Also I have two important tests tomorrow and loads of homework.. Why do they all need to put that in one day.. I have practically nothing to do for the rest of the week!
Well, that was enough wining.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/125947087.jpg

greetings
Marleen

[Dose206]

hey, i like those clouds, and that one of your cat is really fantastic! this lates one, the second freecard, is a little off though, i think it's the proportions in the face as compared to the head. but, seeing as how you have lots more work to do for school, i'd say don't worry about it and just get everything done! keep it up.

chris

[crimsoneye]

Looks like your shading and facial anatomy has improved over last week. Good job at that.

[Taj]

work on your facial Proportions:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/tajn/125947087.jpg

[koroshiya001]

That cat is muy awesome. I do agree on the facial proportions thing though. If you aren't already, you may want to start working from reference to get them down. Keep on rockin.

[Noë]

@Taj; thanks a lot! The picture you posted really helped me, I now see that I also often make mouths too small.. I have made the mouth a bit wider and the nose good. It looks better now.
@all; thank you for the good comments on the cat :scribble:

well, I did some sketches last days, but they're in my A3 sketchbook, when I want to take a picture you can't see a lot of stuff because the pencils reflect the light that shines on it.
did make one "finished piece", i'm not happy about it and I'm planning on colouring it in photoshop later this week.. I think in real life it looks a lot better. I scanned it using the A4 scanner, you can see where I "glued" the two scans together in photoshop, but well.. Whatever..
I adjusted the colours a bit in PS, for B/W version click (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/126337494.jpg)!
Oh, I also have a bigger version uploaded, BIGGER VERSION (http://members.chello.nl/w.renders/plaatjes/57-stitchdollweb.jpg)
Oh, this time the big eyes were on purpose, and the head is also a bit big for the body, that was also on purpose.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/126336860.jpg

please crit!!
Now I'll go and comment in all of my SSG sketchbooks.

Love,
Marleen.

EDIT; I started to paint it, I'm going to make the background lighter, and the dress a bit more one colour. Will keep it in earthy tones.. Will post progress soon.

[crimsoneye]

I would look at those arms again since they didn't have any elbows in them. You kind of made the lines to straight. If you going for realismism I would do that. If that what you are trying to do with this piece. Keep up the good work.

[Noë]

It's supposed to be a doll, so I tried to make it not too real. But I don't think it worked out great.
Maybe I should paint those pink circles on her cheeks to make her look like a doll more?

Anyway thanks :)
Love,
Marleen

EDIT; I thought; let's post a wip screenshot. So far I only did the head...
EDIT; 2 posted another one

WIP 1 (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/126437330.jpg)
WIP 2 (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/126450271.jpg)

[crimsoneye]

Another mistake I see is that you made one eye higher than the other. Hope you don't mind that I did paint over of your image. But you might want use a method like this to make sure that the eyes match up in the right places. If you are using black for shadows you should know black isn't good color to paint shadow with. Trying using the opposite color or blue to make a color darker when doing shadows.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/crimsoneye/126450271.jpg

[Noë]

Thank you crimsoneye for your comments :scribble: I've been using brown shadows, but thanks for you saying that, I did use some blue in the shadows now.. Will post another WIP pic tomorrow I think. I know the eye is higher than the other, just a little bit too high, but I'm too lazy to get it fixed and I don't think it's very wrong since it's a doll, so she doesn't have to look very human like everything should be in the right place.

here's a quick update of sketches I did this weekend;

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/126749296.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/126749300.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/126749299.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/126749298.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/126749297.jpg

love
Marleen

[Taj]

I really like the girl in the middle of that last page you posted (half on the other page to) but yeah your eyes are a bit big. Try imagining your using your pencil to carve your pictures into a cylinder, then combine shapes to build the head and voila you can draw it from all angles!

[Noë]

Thanks Taj, I will take a look at some drawing the head tutorials on the internet..

Last night I made a selfportrait of a picture of me (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/127079974.jpg) taken two years ago in Italy.
I think I'm going to give the drawing to my love,
the text on it says "Love you, love, Marleen" but in dutch..

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/127079857.jpg

Also I made a person screaming, because I didn't feel very well the last few days, I just wanted to scream, but instead I made a picture of a face that screamed. I have a first and second picture, and I think I like the first best because in the second I moved the left eye too far up, what do you think?

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/127079929.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/127079928.jpg

love
Marleen

[koroshiya001]

Your faces are really coming along. Remember the basics of placement and proportion, even when doing strange angles (god knows I've had to tell myself the same thing 1000 times - and it still hasn't really stuck...). I agree with you that the first screaming face looks better, but I would think there would be more texture and wrinkles near the top of the nose with someone opening their mough that wide. Try that pose in from of a mirror and look at what the features of your face do. Your eyes would probably squint more, and the nostrils flare a bit more as well.

Just my 2 cents anyway.

[crimsoneye]

Noe your stuff keep getting better every time I see them. I agree with what Koroshiya001 said on how you should study the way wrinkles look when making a face like that.

[Dose206]

noe, sorry i haven't posted here in awhile, work has been absolutely crazy, and it still is, but i wanted to hop in and say that you are improving and i like it! i agree with koroshiya, it will really help to look in the mirror. i know whenever i get a picture in my head that i really like and i want to put on paper, i always have to use reference at some point during the drawing or else i'll just screw the whole thing up and swear to myself that i'm a horrible artist. so yeah, reference is great and it can come from anywhere. keep up the good work!

chris

[Taj]

Try throwing stuff in like hands and other stuff to fix up the composition and give you practice on the hands! these are to manly though :\
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/tajn/help4you.jpg

[Noë]

http://members.chello.nl/w.renders/plaatjes/bjork.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/127833417.jpg

two faces (yes again, I"m sorry...), with Bjork as reference :)
love her pictures (and music by the way)

[SkapeGoat]

Hey Noe
Sorry I have been like the worst member ever...your pics are soo great
You have come so far... I love the cat the fur is so awesome. The faces have improved so much I didnt think it was you who drew them. The one of your boyfriend is good. The one on the last post is good the expression on the face is hilarious. Keep going from reference that is where I see the most improvement on your sketches.

[Panda89]

foreshortening is the part of drawing when something gets "shorter".
just imagine you have a cube from the frontside and you want to turn it: you notice that one part gets that short that you wont see it anymore any time.
so that's the trick! you know that maximum size of a plane and you know the minimum size. so if you want to turn something you need to know how big it is and then you can calculate (or just visualize with your brain) how that object should look in any viewpoints.

i just learned that drawing straight lines makes everything MUCH easier. it's cleaner and you draw better. you should try it: draw planes by putting some dots and connect them with straight lines. good luck =)

[Kronos]

hey Noe, you've got a mighty nice SB going on here, heaps of improvement! HEAPS!!!

those last Bjork studies are really cool, the first one has an awesome expression :P. i've noticed your hair often lets down the rest of your drawing, try think of the hair in locks(spelling?), rather than individual hairs... (on pictures where you are rendering hair to the last detail, its good to draw the hairs the way they grow, i.e. from the top of the head to where it falls...)

also try getting the hair a bit more "flowy"(for lack of a better word), getting the gesture and movement of the hair.....know what i mean?

on the plus side, your eyes are really nice on most of your drawings, even from really early on, keep working on them as they are really important in selling real human emotion.

as crimsoneye pointed out a while back(post 78 ), you should work on the placement of facial features, your eyes certainly seem to drift around every now and again :P

anywayz, your faces are coming along really well, if you ever get a chance to join some life drawing classes, DO!!!!! and work on the figure, pose and gesture....

like i said, you've improved amazing amounts from the start of this sketchbook, so just keep going!

[Noë]

@koroshiya; thank you! I will try to look in the mirror more to make a face look more natural and possible.
@Dose; I totally agree with you about the reference being important. Most of the time when I want to do a drawing from my imagination I forget that I can always use references to compare. Need to think of that more often..
@Taj; yes! I tend to forget that a lot too, I need to draw more hands, and choose more interesting poses.. I'd swear that the forehead was that big in the reference though, but well..
@SkapeGoat; whoa :lineart: thanks! I know that I improved a lot because of those references, but I think I also need to do some more drawings from the mind because I'm not being creative at all right now with drawing, I just draw things that I see on pictures. That sounds a bit boring.
@Panda; Thank you, those are some good helpfull things you wrote. Even though I don't like machinery that much (neither do I like perspective), I might need to go practice that too.. Damn I need to practice a lot... There isn't enough time!! aaah :P Thanks though :scribble:
@Kronos; and you're right too! I think I need to practice more hair.. I already updated the "funny face drawing", I think the hair is already much better now, but still some things look flat. I will practice hair drawing soon, damn I need to make a to do list for this sketchbook, want too many things all at the same time. You're right about the eyes, I usually make the right eye sligtly higher than the left, but I'm really trying to watch that, so it won't happen again. Thanks for taking the time to post a useful comment here :lineart:

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so.. that were the reactions to the comments made.. I wonder how many times I said "I" in them.. *counts* 27.. omg :P

As I said to Kronos in my comment on his comment; I updated the "funny face drawing", CLICK (http://members.chello.nl/w.renders/plaatjes/bjork2.jpg). I made some parts of the hair a lot darker and also some dark shadows a bit darker. Like it much better now :scribble:

and I also tried to practice with colour pencils. It turned out really bad.. Can somebody please give me some advice about how to draw a face (particularly skin) with colour pencils? I made two self portraits with a mirror, one in grey tones and one with the colour pencils.. The first one does look like me, but I look way younger than I am, and the second also looks like me but I look way ehmm smilier than I am (oh and I think my face is a bit too small there).. See for yourself;

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/127940533.jpg

thanks for dropping by!
I'm finally seeing some improvement myself too.
love,
Marleen

EDIT; Well I don't feel like posting twice, so I will just place the zombie sketch I made last night here;

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/128007570.jpg

The original was kind of light (used only 2h.. :scribble:) so I added some more contrast in PS.

EDIT2; So, I've been drawing some more, to practice colour pencils (soon we'll have to make a selfportrait with colour pencils for school so I'm practicing...) I think these ones (especially the right) worked out a lot better than the first one earlier this post.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/128009697.jpg

[Noë]

yay yay yay!
I made a digital painting!
Tell me what you think!

http://members.chello.nl/w.renders/plaatjes/goodmorninglittlegirl.jpg

WIP's (http://members.chello.nl/w.renders/plaatjes/goodmorninglittlegirlWIPS.jpg)

:)

love
Marleen

[Dose206]

wow, so much going on here since the last time that i posted, it makes me feel terrible. first things first, those two faces from the bjork ref....very good. really if you look back at your progress, wow, good job. and, i agree that the update on the 'funny face' definitely adds to it.
i like the digi zombie girl, but honestly i'm not perfectly sure what you're trying to do with the hair and the eyes. however, seeing as how I'm struggling to teach myself digi painting right now, you seem to be picking it up very well. good on you.
i wish i could help you with the colored pencil issue, but i suck with those, my wife bought me a nice set about four months ago that i haven't even touched.

okay, on to some crits... my basic crit is that i think you should try using more contrast in your pieces. look at how much improvement there was in the funny face after you darkened some points. some of your drawings, while looking somewhat lifelike (your placement of features seems to be getting better) they still lack depth. contrast will help that.

basically, keep up the good work!

p.s. I totally agree that there is not enough time to practice everything that one feels they need to practice.

chris

[JeroArt]

Wowz ur improving a lot! great sketchbook. I like the last one, keep up that digital work,
Hope u just improve like u do in drawing! I see ur realy motivated, cool :P

[Noë]

@Chris; Thank you :) I've been drawing a lot lately, because I had a lot of free time. But next week will be different because I'll have a lot of tests and things to do for school. I agree with you on the contrast thing.. I'm getting there in my sketches, the contrast comes along much more, but in the paintings (well, the few I've started on) I guess I'm scared to do it wrong. Especially with the colours, I'm afraid I'll pick the wrong colour and mess it up.
But I should just try, on a different layer ofcourse.. :) hehe I need more guts :P
@JeroArt; thanks for the comment! I will be making a lot more digital stuff when my tablet is here! Can´t wait!! I´m indeed motivated, don´t know why really because I´m not thinking about going to art school after secondary school, hmm I guess I just want to be able to draw well, express myself on paper.

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So.. The 16'th of February it's my birthday, I'll be 16, I will get my tablet then.. Ofcourse I will be paying a lot of it because I won't let my parents pay it all (wacom intuos3 A5.. pretty expensive I guess).. But I have a lot of money saved up, because I work in the restaurant of the Van Abbe Museum every weekend (that sounds chique, but I'm just doing the dishes there :scribble: whatever, it's a job).
... I'm saying too much! I should post updates, not talk stories about my life! :P

So, here they come!
I went to school today to finish some portraits (we're doing portraits at school right now, so I'm happy, will get high grades on this subject, or, at least, I think..) Two of them were done with charcoal (hate that stuff!), and I started on one with normal pencils (not coloured ones, thank god).
I took our digital camera with me, to take some pictures for this SB. It's too bad you can't see the subtle things of the last one, the drawing, because I've already spent about 3 hours on it, and it really shows in real life. I'll just won't be able to scan it because it's done on A3 paper, so you'll have to think the details on it.
Here they come;

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/128133106.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/128133109.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/128133107.jpg

so, the last one is done from a kind of famous picture made by Walker Evans (I thought), I looked up the picture on the internet CLICK (http://www.yale.edu/yale300/democracy/may1text/images/WalkerEvans.jpg)

Enough typing done for today :)

Oh no, not.. IMPORTANT QUESTION:
I made some reference pictures of myself today with only my underpants (they're called underpants right?) on, so I won't post the reference picture of one of those drawings made from them I guess, (because of the under 18 thing I don't think it's allowed). Bút, since the drawings wíll be drawn from my body, should I post the sketches/drawings at all?

Please answer :)

love,
Marleen

[koroshiya001]

As long as it nothing overtly sexual, there should be no problem posting the sketches. But, I believe you are correct in your decision not to post the references.

The faces are looking good, the old man one especially. A few things I notice in the other 2..
1. The mouths seem to be off. You seem to simplify the mouth to the familiar generic shape. The mouth and eyes are the biggest determening factor in getting a likeness from a photo, so you have to be extra careful about them when you try and do a study of a picture.
2. The shape of the head on the last one seems to be squashed compared to the original picture. Also on the last one, you simplified the eyes. In the ref the iris is very visible and detailed, but in your copy its all black.

All in all, very nice studies. Are you gonna try and go to the Montreal workshop, by chance?

[Noë]

Thanks Koroshiya! I never really thought about the mouth, but when I'm looking at it I definetely see that there could be way more details in them.
You're right about the last one, I also feel that the head seems a bit squashed, though I couldn't help the eyes thing, because the picture my teacher gave me was a lot darker than this one I found on the internet. In the reference I used, the eyes were very dark with a few little bit more lighter areas in them.
I won't go to the Montreal workshop (didn't even know that there was a new workshop coming, but anyways), I don't have the money, and I'm not allowed to go there without an adult with me. Since don't have any adult friends in the Netherlands who would be going to the workshop there, there's no way I could go. But whatever :)
When there would be a workshop in germany, the netherlands or belgium, I would definately want to go (even though I would be sooo nervous because of all the people I don't know and because probably everybody there is better than me :scribble: )

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Now I have some body studies for you!
I know the proportions are not by far right, so I will need to practice more on the bodies. But here they are, I did these last evening in one hour.


oh, by the way, I'm really busy with school at the moment so I won't be updating much the upcoming week.

love,
Marleen.

[Noë]

so, since I'm really busy with school, I decided to draw :P lol
new small update with more bodies!! I think I'm starting to understand little things, but I still keep erasing a lot of times to get the lines right.



the left one was made a few days back, in the train. The one on the right was done today.


I like these best I guess, spent half an hour on these two.
I'm finding it hard to just sketch without using shading.. This can really bother me because the shading takes a lot of time. Should I try to do more outlines or keep everything shaded?

love
Marleen

[koroshiya001]

The bodies are looking nice. It's hard to crit them very indepth without seeing the refs, but under the circumstances, I think its best not to.

I would do some quick gestural sketches, with no shading, just try your best to get the lines right and the proportions, placement, and etc all correct. Don't even bother to erase your construction lines(they kind of give an insight into how you draw, plus I like to see them for anatomy sketches. Helps me out to see how other people do it.).
If you're going to do shading, spend some time on it, and get some good shading practice in with your anatomy. 2 birds with one stone is always good.

[crimsoneye]

Your faces are really getting better than the last time. I agree with what Koroshiya001 said. Might also try doing some conuntor line draws of some simple objects. That what my teacher in college start my class off with. But it a good exercise to do.

[Qxzi]

Hey,

Good study going on. Been doing a lot of work. The arm studies at the
top are nice, keep that up. Post #68, best one so far! :D The
portraits and life drawing are going well, but make SURE your always
looking closely and don't draw exactly what you see!

Keep it up and keep on drawing and posting!

love :D :D

Qxzi

[Noë]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! !!

I've got my wacom intuos3 A5 tablet!!!!
*faints*
lol

sorry, just had to tell you all.
I totally LOVE it!
Will post new sketches this afternoon, have to go to school now..

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!

love
Marleen

EDIT; Just a little 5 min try out
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/129613334.jpg

[Qxzi]

Hey,

glad you got a wacom, are they really really really really good ? :D Funny little digi sketch, cant wait to see more !

Qxzi :)

[gmags]

Nice sb you got there Noe! Great work on those sp! Keep it up girl. :P

[Noë]

I've been sooo busy, but the busyness is over now, so I can start sketching a lot more now!
I'll just post one sketch today, but more will come tomorrow I promise.
This is an assignment our teacher gave us and it's also the subject of a contest between 4 schools (our school is one of those 4), we have to draw/ paint something with the subject 'dare to dream'
I want to do something with a homeless guy, so I thought of something with a bed or something, but the dare part isn't really there..
Does anyone have a better idea??

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/130122077.jpg

and the PS version (because I'm practicing with my wacom a lot!)
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/130122074.jpg

love,
Marleen

[Ramon Contini]

Seeing you study like this makes me smile.

When drawing from reference, try being even more exact with the faces. Even if you feel like it's pointless and you're ready to rip trough your page, go on... And if you tend to feel happy with your work, don't be, go to the kitchen, get some coffee and daydream about all the insane quality the artist mind can produce after time. Don't settle for less even if you can't do better.

If for some reason you'd ever get discouraged, like me every once in a while. Do the same, and think of all the beautifull things people can create. How could such beauty ever be invain. How could a tiny drawing that was made with love ever be pointless. If good Art is what you want, you should persue it, regardless of the outcome.

As far as bodies are concerned, the human figure 'curves' in gracious ways. Try producing singular strokes without to many broken up strokes when you try uniting shapes.

Hope this helps, do keep it up, x R.

( Great news! intuos3 A5 tablet is a good one. Have fun. )

[(c)]

u are on the best way! keep it coming it is really amazing how fast u improve

by the way do u plan to go to the design academy in eindhoven???

[Noë]

@Koroshiya; thank you for the comment :lineart: I will do some more studies without using shading, it will be hard for me not to shade, but I will.
@Crimsoneye Contour line drawing is a good idea too.. Will try!
@Qxzi; Yes! The wacom tablet ís really really good. Still very happy with it.
@gmags; thank you :scribble: will check out your SB soon :lineart:
@Ramon aka. teddy :scribble:; your comment made me smile also :lineart: the curvy lines are kind of hard for me, since I'm a big scibbler and I'm used to erasing a lot untill the shape seems to be close enough to correctness. I like the things you wrote down, will keep them in mind. *sends you a kiss on the cheek*
@(c); Thank you! I'm finally beginning to see some improvement myself too and that's a big encouragement (apart from all the nice crits and comment I get here ofcourse). I don't know if I want to go to the design academy, I do know two people who study there right now and from what I hear it seems nice. Though I think it will be good for me not to try to go there, because I want to go study in another city. I don't even know whát I want to do for a living when I'm older.. I just like so many things, though everything I want to become also have some negative things to them. But whatever, I still have 2 years to go.

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yesterday evening I went to try out a figure drawing course, it was soooo nice! I totally want to take figure drawing course right now, but I know I don't have the time and it's too expensive (since I already take two dance classes a week and have a lot of hobbies). I will post the results here though.

15 second poses, this was very fun to do! :
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/130350061.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/130350060.jpg

5 minute pose;
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/130350055.jpg

10 minute pose;
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/130350059.jpg

20 minute pose (I know the right hand sucks, hehe)
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/130350057.jpg

The teacher thought this was very good for a first try. And the other people were very nice. We had a beautifull model by the way.
I had a lot of fun, it's too bad I have to wait until next school year to actually take this course. But I'll practice on my sister, (only when she has clothes on ofcourse :P)

After browsing this forum I always feel like drawing so much!
So I will.. :lineart:

love,
Marleen

EDIT; I just thought that I never showed the "finished" portrait of this woman (http://www.yale.edu/yale300/democracy/may1text/images/WalkerEvans.jpg)
I'm not happy with the result, I just see a lot of differences and a lot of things that are not rigt, the eyes, the mouth, the nose need to be wider I guess. But I won't work on it any more, will just learn from it.
So, here's the final drawing;

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/130353517.jpg

a larger photograph (yes it's a photograph, so it's not perfect quality) can be found here (http://members.chello.nl/w.renders/plaatjes/86-2.jpg)

[Kronos]

hey Noë

great updates! keep doing those life drawings and studies, they are beyond helpful!!!!!

about your scribbling issue, i would work on that.... i'd say that is one of the factors that is holding you work back. Those 15 sec gestures are a good type of exercise to work on getting a more confident stroke, be really loose, and even try working on large paper and use you whole arm to draw. also thinking/drawing in shapes rather than lines can be helpful....

anyway, awesome progress, just keep going!

[bumskee]

:) so good to see you are doing life drawings. I actually did some today too, was quite short though, and I was just drawing heads not the body. but yeah back to your stuff. 15 sec poses? that's a little too quick isn't it? :) shortest we have here are 1 mins. I quite like the page though, it's got a nice rhythm. I think one of the thing you develope after going to few life drawing is to learn to place the whole figure in the right proportion on your sketchbook. :) good start, you will only get better so keep at it. the 10 mins has a nice proportion. cheers, Min

[Noë]

@Kronos; You're right about the scribbling I guess, I've tried to use not more than one line and to keep the tip of my pencil on the paper.. It was very hard for me, I don't think I managed to do this completely but it worked a little bit. About the life drawings; it was just a one time class to try it out, I can't take the course at the moment because I don't have the money for it and I don't have the time also. But I will practice on my mother and sister (and maybe dad).
@Bumskee; The 15 second poses were to find the main curves and shapes, just to practice the speed and to try seeing things quicker. I never did that before and I think it was a good practice, also because you sort of have to get the lines right at once, there's simply not more time.

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I also got a sketchbook for my birthday, it has 50 very nice smooth sheets in it, I love it for sketching and more finished drawings.
So I've been drawing in it today, (and the first page yesterday). I especially tried not to scribble, but as you can see it didn't always work.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/130364682.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/130364679.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/130364674.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/130364670.jpg

lots of love,
Marleen.

[warlock1234]

nice, i see you've certainly been improving...i suggest you do more gesture drawings..they are just great practice ^"^ keep at it:tihi:

[dCepT]

Faces are looking real good! You're progressing nicely!

Keep up the lifedrawing! I envy you that you get to do that...

peace

d-C

[Noë]

:lineart: yay :scribble:
I have enough time for drawing again, I've just been doing a digi-sketch, enjoyed it a lot.
I have a question for you; what's best to use; that pen pressure controls width or that pen pressure controls opacity?

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I thought it would be okay to post the reference on this one for it shows no so called 'private bodyparts' lol.

Will go and scan some sketches right now..

love,
Marleen

EDIT; a photoshop thingy of a friend of mine... It didn't work out very well, I feel that the eyes are too close together and the nose is too small;
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/130584519.jpg

click (http://dnd.faerun.nl/BoS/DSC_0914.JPG) for reference.. (I LOVE THAT PICTURE!!)

[Noë]

first of all; whoopsiedaisy! :P
my dad found those reference pictures I took of myself and assumed (???) I was putting them on the internet for everyone to see.. I told him that I just use them as reference blablabla, he got angry at me and asked me if it was that weird to assume I put them on the internet.. I think it was..
And I wasn't doing anything pornographic.. I mean.. You see the same poses when you go to a life drawing class.

sorry I had to bother you with this, my question is really; should I not use those pictures anymore maybe? People could think strange things of it..

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now I have for you; a paintchat tryout.. I used a good friend of mine as reference CLICK (http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL726/3317279/6799682/87757039.jpg).

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/130607506.jpg

oh damn, still need to scan sketches :P

love,
Marleen

[hp]

you're definitely getting better at drawing people, maybe try drawing more buildings and stuff to practice perspective.

about posting photos of yourself, i wouldn't recommend it since you're 16-17(?) and some people might post something inappropriate. but it's not pornographic as you've said, and it's a very beautiful photo. try pushing your darks in the pic.

[Noë]

@hpslashluvr; oh no that's not what I meant! I don't want to post those pictures anyway :) But should I also stop using them for drawing that's what I asked I guess.
Thanks for your reply by the way. I really don't like buildings and all of that but I guess it might come in handy if I knew how to draw them. I do know how to do some simple perspective things, but I guess I could practice it a little bit more.

love
Marleen

[(c)]

i think it doesnt matter which referrences u use! i stood a few times in front of the mirror to draw myself. its easy and faster then searching the internet for the right pose. so go on with it and draw ! :)

[sleep]

personally i wouldnt give a shit what other people think. using yourself as reference is a good idea, and i'd do more of it if i had a decent camera. i'm sure your dad is smart and can understand that you're only doing it for your own purposes..

anyway, what i see so far is beautiful. i'm sorry that i'm useless at criticism, i can't really say much except keep it up

sean :scribble:

[crimsoneye]

I seen you have gone digital Noë. In the last drawing I would use a shift in tone on the wings of the nose. Just remember when doing the face there is no lines. If you are trying to draw the face realistically, I suppose its better not to use line. Hopeful didn't only see digital draw from now on. Also, just keep with doing the traditional drawing to.

[Qxzi]

Hey,

good digi stuff and pencils, keep on practicing with them, and you will get better in no time! How about some, colour! :D

Qxzi

[Noë]

thanks to all for the comments :teeth:
@Tie; thank you, though work on the criticism! :P I know you can do better than this..
@Crimsoneye; I have been drawing on real paper also :lineart: just haven't been able to scan it properly untill now, so this update will be totally pencil on paper. I agree with you about the non line thing. Maybe I should stop using lines first and afterwards filling in the shadows and stuff.. That is how I always work.. What is the best way?
@Qxzi; Thanks, and colour! Yes I will.. :lineart: I have tried to paint a banana yesterday with my wacom, I had the banana on the table in front of me, I got very annoyed by the fact that I couldn't seem to find the right colours, so I stopped after approximately ten minutes. Will show the banana soon though, but it's on my boyfriend's computer, so can't upload it right now.
But colour is a very good one, will need to try more of it..

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now; the update!

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/131282308.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/131282305.jpg
Left; my sister reading a book, I guess I made her nose too big and mouth a bit too small, oh and her head too big ofcourse. Right; a few heads, two of them were drawn from life from my mother, but they didn't turn out good. The guy thing is from imagination. The bodies are from a movie I don't even really like (save the last dance), I paused it every now and then to draw something from it.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/131282303.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/131282300.jpg
Left; more from save the last dance. Right; just a face.. No reference used.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/131282297.jpg
this last one I drew in the train this evening, I used the reflection in the window in front of me to draw this, so it's sort of a selfportrait. It's not finished but I like how it looks. The light coming from above made the shadows a bit spooky and my eyes looked almost black.

so, this was it for now,
tomorrow I'm going to do the dishes in the restaurant of the Van Abbe Museum here in Eindhoven again (that's my job :scribble:) and play waitress a little bit if it gets busy. Ooh how I love vacation :teeth:

love,
Marleen

EDIT; woohoo! Reached page 3 yay.. :lineart: That actually wasn't very hard..

[Xpose]

You can still tell what ones you used refrences on and which ones you didn't. Like on the face next to the save the last dance one, the neck meets with the head weird and the jaw line extends a bit far past the ear. You are making fantastic progress! Keep it up, I can't wait to see how far you're going to take this.

[Dose206]

goodness, i feel like a jerk for not posting here in so long. sorry bout that. anyway, i've gotta say wow, i leave for a little and so much improvement while i'm gone! but, i totally agree with xpose, for the most part, you can tell which drawings you used reference and which ones you did not. that's not a bad thing though! just learn from your ref. pics and apply those to your other ones.! sorry i don't have much nore for you today.

chris

[crimsoneye]

@Crimsoneye; I have been drawing on real paper also :lineart: just haven't been able to scan it properly untill now, so this update will be totally pencil on paper. I agree with you about the non line thing. Maybe I should stop using lines first and afterwards filling in the shadows and stuff.. That is how I always work.. What is the best way?



In realistic drawing I have heard it best not to use to much line. Only use line when you have to. Also, that depend on if you using either a pencil, charcoal, or doing stuff digitally. With most pencil drawing with line it has be carefully place, and that line shouldn't be dark. Since you want to shade over that line with values.

But with photoshop and charcoal it good to block everything and not to use line. I seen artist that use photoshop who do realistic stuff and I never seen them use line. They would use the same technique of someone who would draw with charcoal.

If anyone else thinks I'm wrong; please correct me if I am.

[Qxzi]

Hey,

cant wait to see this banana! :D Hurry up and post it :P I tell this to alot of people, do some more life! Life life life!

Qxzi 8)

[Noë]

Wow! I'm starting to get a lot of comments here :lineart: thank you all for being so kind to crit :scribble:.

@Xpose; Yes you are totally right about the difference that shows between drawings done with ref and without.. I try to practice drawing without reference too so that eventually I can make up faces and bodies without having to look at a picture all the time.
@Chris; Hey there! Don't feel like a jerk :lineart: there is no reason to. You're just busy. I'm happy you can see some improvement, I myself can't really see it, but I cán see progress since the first page in this sketchbook so maybe when I'm on page 7 I can see some progress since here hehe.
@Crimsoneye; I think you're right, when I'm sketching I mostly draw the lines of where the nose should be and the basic shape of the mouth very thinly with a 2H pencil, and then draw all the shadowing with 2B or lower B's for the really dark areas. I should try drawing with charcoal more I guess.. I've practiced with charcoal a little, but just used the same technique as I use with drawing.. Variation is good. Thank you for the comment..
@Qxzi; I will I will... In fact I just uploaded the 10 minute banana :P
Will do some more from life. But I really don't like doing still lifes, I find people, animals and such much more interesting. But I will draw more from life :lineart:

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Here's my new update, with some scans from my boyfriends scanner.

but first... The BANANA! :P
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/131788063.jpg

And now the sketches;
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/131792779.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/131792778.jpg
left; the "finished" sketch of me. I decided I liked "myself" better with no iris and pupil. Right; Some useless practice with 3 point perspective

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/131792776.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/131792772.jpg
Left; a spider.. I thought it would be nice to draw some sort of robotic spider for teen challenge 3, but I can't make the spider stand up on it's back legs properly so I stopped thinking about a spider war machine. Right; Just some stuff, and another spider, shooting rockets.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/131792769.jpg
I really like the lower part of this page.. I just had to do some faces, so I did! This was the result.. Oh and on the upper part of the page was my try on a daily sketchbook topic; WOMAN CURLED ON FLOOR HAS ELEGANT ANTLERS GROWING OUT OF HER SPINE.

that's it for now,

love,
Marleen

love
Marleen

[Noë]

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/132386834.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/132386832.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/132386829.jpg
this was an experiment with ink (and ink with water), I don't like it, though I do like how ink & water looks on paper

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/132386825.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/132386826.jpg
left; scribblings done during biology.. There's a biology note on the upper right :P, right; angry cats! I'll explain why:
I decided it would be a fun experience to challence Sean (Tie) in the Challenge Arena. Sean accepted the challenge. The topic of this challenge will be fighting cats, and the deadline will be the 20th of march.
I will be putting some effort into this so Sean; BEWARE :P

To practice painting fur I looked up an old picture of our previous cat (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/132363831.jpg) and used it as reference for a digital painting, it took me about 5/6 hours.

http://members.chello.nl/w.renders/plaatjes/dietje-gfx-internet.jpg

that's it for now, I hate that I have to do school work, if I could just stay at home, go to interesting places, and self improve all day long... If I just could do that.. :P

love,
Marleen

[Noë]

So, here goes another update!

first I'd like to start with a charcoal self portrait done from a photo (didn't have a mirror there). I don't like how it turned out, I think the best parts are the nose and left eye, and the worst part is I think the mouth. The hair is okay too at some parts. click (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/133112608.jpg) for reference.
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/133110474.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/133110470.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/133110478.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/133110476.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/133110471.jpg
I found some art books in my dad's book shelves, and drew some stuff from it.

love,
Marleen

[Doronila]

hey there. Funky drawings. Some of them creep me out for some reason lol, that aint a bad thing, just have this eerie feeling over them. make me wanna look over my shoulder now and again. Really good drawings for a 15 year old, when i was 15 it was all about stickmen and using a ruler for everything hah. Keep up the good work :)

[Recursive_End]

These look nice.
But try to be more clear on what you want. Make the lines pop out a bit more. You have to be more confident with your pencil :)
Anyway, your doing some interesting stuff, keep posting :D

[Dose206]

hey! congrats on page three! also, i want to commend you on faithfully posting in everybody's sketchbooks. you truly are the rock of our ssg. so, i've gotta go to work soon so i just scanned over your stuff (i promise i will come back and look in depth and crit after work) but i want to tell you that banan is awesome! keep up the good works

chris

[Dose206]

marleen,

i'm noticing some stuff going on here that i find also happens to me alot, and that is that you're proportions are sometimes getting a bit.... muddled. try taking the ref you are working from and breaking it up into grids, and then drawing grids on your paper and transferring them from one to another. i know this sounds tedious, and it is, but it will really help in the long run.

by the way, good work, keep it up!

chris

[PeggyChung]

hey Noë, my advice would be to slow down when sketching. to me it seems a bit rushy like the arms on post #43. What might help is to do a Bargue, that really teaches patience and pacing. goodluck and i think all the advice given already is enough to work from (:

[crimsoneye]

Ya, Noe I agree with Ladylioness on that you should try to slow do when you are sketching. But everytime I come here I see the improvement you made. Keep up the good work.

[Dose206]

are we gonna get an update soon? pretty please?

[Noë]

First of all; I'm very sorry I didn't update earlier.
I was just too lazy I think.

@Doronila; Thanks for the comment! I recently turned 16 by the way :P not that it makes much difference hihi.
@Recursive_End; Also thanks for stopping by in my sketchbook, I know I have to be more confident and less scribbly but its so hard! I really can't help it, I'm trying to train being more confident but it didn't have much effect untill now.
@Chris; Thanks for all the comments, I don't know if I will use the grid tip, I just feel that I should be able to do the drawing without grids, especially since I want to be able to draw from life also, and when drawing from life you also don't have the help of a grid. But I'll keep it in mind anyway, maybe I should make a list with all the tips I get in here and keep it in my sketchbook, read it before I start sketching :P Think it would help hihi.
@LadyLioness; Thanks for the advice, though I think it's a bit weird you're referring to a post on the first page. And would you please explain what a "Bargue" is? I looked it up at www.interglot.com and it couldn't find the translation.
@Crimsoneye; Thanks man, I'm going to comment on your sketchbook too as soon as I'm done with this update.

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http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/137889973.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/137889979.jpg
left; a portrait from the mind, I really like this one.. Right; some figure studies (from reference) they are terrible, I need to do many many more..

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/137889977.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/137889978.jpg
Two selfportraits from a mirror, using colour pencils. They don't look like me a lot but they're okay.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/137889984.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/137889982.jpg
left; this was done from life, at school, I guess the proportions are bad. Right; This was a drawing from the mind, would you be so kind to tell me if the proportions are okay? I tend to make the legs too short, but don't know if that's the case here.. :S

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/137889985.jpg
And finally; a selfportrait from picture. It wasn't my intention to make it look like the picture exactly, I just tried making a nice face.. But in the end it kind of turned out to look like the picture.. Click (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/137292567.jpg) for reference picture.

That was my update so far...
Love,
Marleen

[Moiss]

The proportion of the drawing from mind looks a bit elongated 1 head for the body or too short for the leg.

If you take the measurement, supposedly, from navel equal to crotch. typically the human proportion equals 7.5 head, some are not (fashion models), being first equal to nipple (not always); second to navel; third to crotch; fourth slightly above the knee cap; fifth slightly under the knee cap; sixth slightly above the ankle, and the rest is the feet which approx. equals 1/2 of the head. go ahead and measure somebody :D

I'm assuming you know the proportion already...Well.....It takes practice.... your self-portrait looking good tho....keep it up...;)

[Noë]

Thanks for the advice Moiss, I appreciate it very much, will keep the directions you gave in mind.

In the following figure thingy drawings (I got the model from a book that's called Models for the artist, I borrowed it from the library), I kept the directions in mind, measuring with the size of the head.
I think they are very bad, Need more more moooore practice :P
Tomorrow I will do male sketches, from the same book.
Oh, also, the scribbling problem is a becoming a big problem for me, does anyone has some tips about the scribbling?

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/138124028.jpg

love,
Marleen

[gorgnut]

I really like the latest selfportrait! You got down the likness very well, imo.
These latest studies looks good aswell, just remember that the female hips are generally a little larger. Some proportion charts shows that the hips are broader than the shoulders for females, I guess it's kinda true but looking around shows that it's not the case all the times.

Good luck, looking forward to updates! :)

[Dose206]

Marleen, great updates.

for me, the figure from the mind is proportioned just a little long in the torso, but still looking pretty good as far as proportions. The sp from the reference photo looks great, you did a good job on it, although the hair on the viewer's left doesn't look right, it looks a little flat, making the head have a weird shape.
sorry i can't help you with the scribbles, I have the same trouble and it frustrates me to no end.
well, good luck, and keep it up!

chris

[crimsoneye]

For me, I think the arms are little bit to long. But, your figure are getting better. Just watch the torso length and the leg length. Also, the connection between the torso and pelvis is kind of thin. Just remember the upper half should enqual the lower half of the body. Keep up the good work and keep posting. Here rule with the female pelvis it is just twice the length of the height of the head.

[Noë]

@gorgnut; Thanks for the comment, I guess you are right about the hips, I should not make the women too thin also. :P
@Chris; I guess you're right about the figure from mind, I think I'm making the legs too short often. But it's getting better now that I have these things to keep in mind that are said in the above posts. Thanks for stopping by :lineart: .
@Crimsoneye; Also thanks for stopping by, the tips you gave are really helpful to keep in mind, I need to have those things to remember to check when I first start with drawing something new, after a lot of practice I don't need those measurements anymore, but I do for now.

Here are the things I did today.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/138531577.jpg
I just did two today, think I spent 15 minutes on each. Would like to bring that down to 5, but maybe that's a little too far fetched for me.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/138531572.jpg
This took me about 30 minutes, was just something for fun.
I didn't practice necks or something, so the "muscle thingies" in the neck are just my imagination, I don't know if they're correct (probably not hehe)
EDIT; Just to be sure; it was not my intention to make this head very human like, I know that the ear is too big and has a weird shape, and I know the other things that are weird. I just wanted to have some fun with the shapes of the head, just experimenting a bit.

love,
Marleen

[ArcoNL]

Hi Marleen,

good sketchbook, looks like you're working pretty hard at it......
In the last drawing the ear is slightly too big. The ear starts at the same height as the eyes, and go as far down as the underside of the nose....
Keep 'em coming....
Cheers,
Arco

[PeggyChung]

hey, how weird, i didnt see that you had 3 pages. okay a Bargue is http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=12104

[PeggyChung]

oh and have you tried studying the skull and the muscles on the face? it would make a big difference. I suggest to really working on your penciling skill rather than with the tablet. I did not realize that myself earlier but now i know. You should try rendering something with 4 values and be able to pull it off eventually without a problem when drawing from the mind. A lot more life drawing, still life is fine, because photos flatten the values for you already. Go outside and sketch some houses, it will help you out a lot.

[Noë]

oh god no!!
I don't know if I have the patience to do such work.
And if I have the patience, I certainly do not have time..
Damn damn.. :P
I need to do more drawing
But first I am going to start on my entry for the all female thunderdome...

The song I am going to interpret will be "down with the sickness" by Disturbed.
I took a few pictures of my boyfriend in a few different ways, but I am only using them for the main shapes.

I think I want to draw a guy kneeling on the floor, his head covered with his arms like he is afraid, but looking at the camera through his arms. I want to draw some sort of red ghost thing that has the pose of a maniac, who has something like a knife in his hands. And maybe (if I can pull it off), draw a woman who is the mother of the guy, who kicks or hits the guy, and that the angry ghost thing stabs the mother with the knife.

Just look up the lyrics of that song and you will understand.

The main problem is that I have this perfect image in my head, I know exactly how everything should be, but I don't know how to get it on paper..

Love
Marleen

EDIT; just drew this, and I know, the head is too big, need to correct that... This is supposed to be the evil ish ghost.. Any tips..?

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/138586531.jpg

[Noë]

So, here is another update, I hope I can keep up the daily updates.. That would be great.

I spent about 2 hours drawing today, I did some neck studies from my two anatomy books and one figure also from one anatomy book.
Would like to draw some more male figures soon, but I'm off to dance class in twenty minutes :)

So here's the update, I did both of these on A3 paper, so I took pictures of them because we have an A4 scanner.. I really notice much difference between pictures and scans, A lot of details miss on the picture I took, but I'm too lazy right now to scan two parts and glue them together in photoshop.
So here they are..

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/138766817.jpg
The neck studies, the one on the right is the neck from the side, facing right (viewers right)

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/138766821.jpg
I really like how the right drawing, the man, turned out. Click (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/138766819.jpg) for the reference I used. When I devote more time into drawings I can get some good results, but when I want to do some quick sketches it just won't work.. Yet.. ;)

love
Marleen

[koroshiya001]

Excellent studies. Keep 'em coming.

There's a few minor things off with the guy (neck too thin, some angles are off, etc...) but hey, thats what studies are for.

On the 'ghost': I'd make it's pelvis a little larger in addition to the head changes. Other than that, keep workin on it; can't wait to see it done

[Noë]

Thanks Koroshiya (Ehmm, what's your real name..?)
I already realized there were a few things off, so I'll try to remember that for the next time (jeez I have to remember a lot..)
Thanks for your tip on the ghost thingy, I think I won't need it for I think I'll only do the upper body of it, and let the rest be reddish smoke, but thanks!

Now here's the new update;

first; my drawing teacher hung up a cloth, and we need to draw the folds, that's our new assignment. I really like it because I never did something like it. These are my first two sketches, I like the right one a lot better than the first.. :lineart: It took me about an hour each.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/138971811.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/138971813.jpg

And this is my sketch for the All Female Thunderdome (the upper body of the ghost is missing, I didn't have more space on the paper hihi) I did it on A3, scanned it and glued it together in photoshop. I also took a picture just to show how it's like.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/138971809.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/138971802.jpg

.. I think it's clear which one of these was the scan :P
Crits on this sketch would be REALLY appreciated, I'm not sure about the leg right now, it seems too thin at the bottom.. But it's the angle...
Any tips?

love,
Marleen

EDIT; I did some more drawing.. Two selfportraits in a big mirror, I would have done naked selfportraits but it's way too cold there.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/139012605.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/139012592.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/139012576.jpg
I drew a new "ghost"

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/139019115.jpg
and sewed everything together in PS
It doesnt seem right..

tips?
love
Marleen

[Noë]

Allright..
First of all; I'm kindof embarrassed to myself, I promised myself I would sketch 5 hands a day, and make 10 figures a day and draw a lot this easter weekend, but I didn't do anything really... Blerghh..

Now the updates; I made a very rough background for my All Girl Thunderdome entry, glued it all together in photoshop and started with the rough colours.. Here are the first two WIP's..

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/140362316.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/140365736.jpg

So... That's that..
I didn't sketch a lot.. Only two pages in my sketchbook, over 4 days!! And these pages suck also.
Here they are;

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/140368847.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/140368852.jpg

I would really appreciate some crits on the colours of the WIP and stuff.

love
Marleen

[Sopor+Aeternus]

wow, that painting of that cat is great! I should give photoshop a try again..
love your self portraits too and all your portraits in general, maybee work a bit on the way you should handle your pencil to shade..but bla, who I am to say, the scary pants to use a pencil.. really shamefull.. ow and really like that blanket you drew on the grey paper..
so you are in an artschool or something?

[koroshiya001]

I really like the thunderdome image, but theres one big things thats bugging me about it. The girl is looking right into the 'camera'. It makes the pose and expression look...unnatural. Her pose looks like she is in a lot of pain and despair, but her expression is blank.

Actually, apon further review, it looks like she could be washing her hair. Could you clarify for me please? If it is this, it's not so unnatural; it looks like someone was watching her and she just now noticed. Creepy.

What's the topic for the all girl Thunderdome, anyway?

Real name is Wil, for future reference.

[Qxzi]

Hey hey,

I really like some of the studies you have been doing, with the cloth one and some anatomy. I have too agree with "will", take his advice. With the background, do more details and other stuff, more creepy stuff maybe. Like a little worm :P Only joking, but dont think to yourself that its finished. Improve it !!

Qxzi 8)

[Noë]

A quick update with only thunderdome thingys WIPS
It's the only thing I've been working on these last few days.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/140580227.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/140667257.jpg

http://members.chello.nl/w.renders/plaatjes/06-web.jpg

The last one is how it looks right now.
I really hope that Wil sees now that the lower person (and the upper one aswel!) is supposed to be a guy, not a girl :P
Things I need to do;

- finish the "ghost"'s left hand
- finish the roots on the lower right
- create new roots on the lower left, to fill up the empty space
- get that watery thing (pond?) better
- the pants of the lower person need to be more shadowed and darker
- give the tree on the left of the "ghost" a more finished look

there's much more I need to do, but when I get these points straight, it all will look a LOT better :)

love
Marleen

EDIT; Another update.. :P

http://members.chello.nl/w.renders/plaatjes/08.jpg

will go do some REAL sketches right now!! (I haven't sketched this whole week...!!)

EDIT 2; so now I did some REAL sketching :P or.. more like drawing because it took me quite some time.
it took 30 minutes to get all the lines down, and I think 1 hour or a bit more to shade..

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/141313838.jpg

[crimsoneye]

I see some real progress in your work. In the thunderdome pic, I would say maybe widen the upper legs. A good place to study facial expressions is this site: http://www.artnatomia.net/uk/index.html
Ryan J

[Noë]

Thanks for that site Ryan (woohoo! Now I know your name too! :P) I think that will really help me with my understanding of faces :teeth:

http://members.chello.nl/w.renders/plaatjes/11.jpg

love,
Marleen

[guggemmaneuver]

The TD entry is looking nice, maybe introduce some transparency to the ghost character for readability's sake. looking back through your book here i was particularly impressed with the works that look like this... uhhh... i'm not sure what medium it is, but they're so expressive and elegant. (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/133110478.jpg)cheers and best of luck in the contest too :)
:yayca:
joel

[Dose206]

Marleen,

sorry it's been so long since i've checked back here, but I gotta say, lotsa good stuff. The TD entry is coming along nicely (I'm a little jealous, cause when I try to spend that much time on a project, oh I get frustrated and don't ever finish, so keep it up!) I agrree with guggen that perhaps some transparencey in the ghost will add something to this work.
the skeleton sketch, it looks pretty good but again the legs are a little short.... are you running out of paper and trying to cram everything in at the bottom? i dunno, i do that alot so maybe you are too? anyway, keep up the drawing, i love to see your improvements!

chris

[Noë]

@guggenmaneuver; Thanks for the comment! Finally I sent it in, since the deadline was yesterday. The medium of the drawing you linked to was graphite pencil, on normal white sketch paper.. I like that drawing too, but I didn't come up with the idea myself, this was inspired by a picture from Bjork.
@Chris; Oh I got frustrated all right :P But I just kept myself going, even though things weren't going the way I hoped they would..
I don't know about the legs.. They seemed short to me too, though I measured the head size and measured it in the reference drawing and it came out perfectly! The whole body was exactly 7,5 heads and everything came out great.. I'll scan the reference though to see what I did wrong.. Will post the reference here soon.

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On my TD entry;
I added more transparancy to the ghost and made some minor changes.
The final entry can be seen here (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=66547) along with all the other entries (oh my god, some of those entries look so gorgeous!!!), and PLEASE VOTE for the image you think is best.. I voted for ICONOPHOBIAN with his lovely interpretation of "mad world" from Gary Jules.

And now I only have two quick sketches from yesterday for you..
My 12 year old sister agreed to be a quick model for me so I could try a portrait and a figure from life.
Eventually I did a 15 minute drawing of her entire body (with clothes ofcourse) and a quick almost 10 minute portrait, but they both look shitty and messy and bad!. But whatever, I'll just post them.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/142070275.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/142070274.jpg

she looks much younger on the portrait than she looks like in real life

love
Marleen

P.S. later today I'll be back with more! Promise!

EDIT;
I made a sort of sketch for my very first oil painting.. But the problem is, I don't know what I want to paint!
It's a portrait of a girl who sits with her hands in her hair, leaning on her elbows.. I made a keyhole in her forehead, with a key sticking in it. Then I started making these kind of lines like her face is cracking up, but here's the problem; I don't know what to sketch underneath the face/mask (where the face is cracked up).

I made a crappy picture, but its the best I can do for now.. Sorry, it's way too big for our scanner.. I'll make a picture tomorrow in daylight, that should be better.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/142124114.jpg

EDIT 2; I did some stuff at school that my drawing teacher found so great he wanted to put it in a frame (.. ??? It was just a fabric study..? What's so great about that?), I left it at school so can't show that one now..
And I bought a new sketchbook with toned paper in it.. Though when it's scanned it looks a lot more yellow than in real life, don't know why.. But whatever, didn't want to post a whole new reply for just one picture so here it is;

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/142379776.jpg

Tomorrow there WILL BE a new update with a lot of stuff!! I promise!!
Love
Marleen

[Noë]

Okay, I'm not good with promises.. :P
Here's a small update.. It's vacation now here for a week, and I'm working every day in a restaurant (of a museum ;) )

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/144193546.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/144193550.jpg
some studies in my new sketchbook

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/144193548.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/144193549.jpg
left; a speedpaint I did a few days ago, only 10-15 minutes!, right; a very underweight alien thing :P

love
Marleen

[TheGnoll]

toned paper stuff looks good, especially the huge eyed one.I never heard of anyone "learning how to sketch", thought it was a natural thing:D
about the Thunderdrome piece, i must admit it actually had a different look in the pencil version, it looked better (the pencil version was very expressive, i really liked it).Anyway, keep practicing ;)

ciao

[koroshiya001]

The toned paper stuff is looking great, as is the TD image. Guess it's been a while since I've checked in here. I guess just keep doing what you've been doing; it seems to be working.

[DerMidlet]

Hi Noe, looks like you're making some good progress keep it up

[Noë]

@The Gnoll; Thanks for your comment! I liked the pencil version of the thunderdome piece better in the end too, but I just put a lot of work in to the digital painting thing that I entered the digital painting :) I'm definately learning how to sketch, and also learning how to draw, I don't know if it's natural.. Maybe.. But there's a lot to learn about sketching, for example not scribbling :P
@Koroshiya and DerMidlet; thank you!!

--

Unfortunately last friday, a plastic water bottle leaked in my bag, and my sketchbook and some other things got soaked (or something like that), so I have to buy a new toned paper sketchbook now because every page curls up and all that.. It looks really bad when scanned.
I decided that in each post I should have at least 6 sketch pages or speedpaint thingys, so here I go!

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/145440040.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/145440036.jpg
left; before, right; after! :P hehe, the right one is better

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/145440050.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/145440049.jpg
left; that one is okay, right; aargh! those doodles suck so bad.. I really need to do a lot betterthan that.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/145440058.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/145440053.jpg
two kate moss studies on the wrinkled paper.. *cries*

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/145440052.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/145440046.jpg
more kate moss and an ogre thing..

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/145440044.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/145440059.jpg
a sketchbook doodle thing and a speedpaint..

hope you all like the bigger update!
woohoo!
need to sketch more!

love
Marleen

[Noë]

Woohoo! New update with new sketches! :P

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/146625047.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/146624746.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/146624749.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/146624767.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/146624752.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/146624765.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/146572834.jpg

[Noë]

Aaaaand a new update!
I've been ill for two days now so I had some time to draw (even though I should be working on school.. boohoo)

I'll start with the BAD stuff and end with the better stuff (not that that is great but well :) )

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/146979028.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/147159434.jpg
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/146899812.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/147159433.jpg
Left: this is my sketch for the chicks drawing chicks calendar.. This is the last I'll be showing here because the rest of my WIP's will be ONLY for the Girls Only Forum.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/147159432.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/147159431.jpg
(i got so sad with the right drawing, don't know why, it's just so sad!)

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/146979023.jpg

That's it!

love,
Marleen

[adiere]

Keep drawing, check proportions.

btw. What happend to the Cat fight?

[Noë]

@adiere; thank you :) and ehm cat fight didn't happen after all.. I deleted the thread..

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/147498314.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/147498337.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/147498335.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/147498330.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/147498324.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/147498322.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/147498319.jpg
this last one is done on the front of my "sketchbook", with acrylics, 15 mins I guess.

Love
Marleen

[crimsoneye]

Keep it up and just keep checking your propotions. I really like those muscle studies you been doing .

[Taj]

Work on an understructure for your drawing's.

[koroshiya001]

Great studies. I do agree that underdrawings would help you out quite a bit; even if you just use them sparingly within your drawings, its a step up and will help you quite a bit (I still don't use them as often as I should...). Keep it up is all I can say.

-Wil
P.S. - I finally updated! Gimme some crit (BLATENT PLUG)!

[Noë]

errrmm underdrawing?
How should I see that...?
And how should I do that?

love
Marleen

P.S. can't update now, am at boyfriends house

[koroshiya001]

An underdrawing is like the basic shape and form of a drawing (before you start rendering) to make sure you have everything in the right place and in the right proportion etc...

Good luck in the T-Dome. I haven't heard of either of the people you're facing, but I know you can take 'em!

-Wil

[yoshimitstu]

hey nice work.... how long have you been drawing?

[johanson]

Dig your sketchbook and look forward to going up against you in the Dome. You’re better than I was at your age and WAY more dedicated (which is really what it’s all about). See you on July 9th. :)

[maxetormer]

Good work!!! now for scrachy line, take some pens and do
some selfportaits and observation studies, but never ever run
through the same line more than once, no matter how
off the drawing looks, repeat that untill you are able to
proyect the proporcions on the page with out erasing
beware this takes years (Im in the process of doing it :P)
but then again you alreday know that, muslces studies are
good but make some skeleton ones as well, some of
you figures look bones less
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/147498330.jpg
check were do the bones become visible on the skin
like on the hips, elbows, kneecaps, ect, this will add a new
degree of solidity to your poses.
Thats about all, KEEP THIS THREAD UP!!! your doing some
really steady progress here! :D

[Dose206]

man, sorry that it's been so long since i posted here. but as you know, i've been busy lately. those muscle studies are looking really good, and I'm diggin the cover of your sketchbook.

okay, so I don't really have any crits right now, I know I'm lazy, but I just wanted you to know that I'm still here.

chris

[Noë]

Wow! Those were a lot of comments and crits.. Thank you guys!!
For some of you I have a sort of reply;

@Taj and Koroshiya; I do always sketch the lines before I start getting shadows and tones in.. Is that an understructure? Should I spend more time on that stage?
@yoshimitsu; Thank you :) I've been drawing for two years now more seriously, but I think 9 months ago I started trying to draw like more than twice a week.. And now I almost draw every day, since the last 3 months I guess.
@johanson; Wowie! Thanks! Good luck to you in the dome too.. I really like your creatures (hehe so I won't do a creature for this round because I would definetely got beaten by you if you're doing a creature :P).
@maxetormer; That is some great advice.. I'll start doing pen studies and start this.. But not now because I have to work hard for school now.. In three to four weeks I'll have almost all the time of the world, summer vacation!!
You're right about the skeleton studies too. The reason why I don't do them is because they take so damn long. Muscles seem more important also.. The boneless bodies you referred to are practice drawings of getting the shapes on paper in a quicker time. These people were referenced from a photo book I got from the library.
@Chris; Thank you! I don't really like the cover of my sketchbook, but think it's okay for the little time I spent on it. I hope you're doing well, and your son and wife too :teeth: .

Oh! And I have some amazing news.. I'm going to rome this autumn.. For a whole week.. That will be a huge update when I get back! :P :D I'm so excited already!

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And now; the update, it's not much (really really! not good at all..) But I reckon I should post it anyways.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/149105834.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/149105852.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/149105848.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/149105846.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/149105841.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/149105840.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/149105855.jpg

love,
Marleen

P.S. almost on page 4 now! Wow that's going kind of fast!

[Taj]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/tajn/tutorial_kevin_chen_0050.jpg

Study the structure of what your seeing.

Shapes like Cube's Cylinders and Spheres make up almost everything anywhere. Pay attention and look for them, and draw those.

[Amazing Action Ape]

What taj said, plus make sure your lines follow the contour of the shapes. Dont use straight lines, use curved-formfitting lines, makes things appear 3d, rather than 2d.
If you think in shapes, It will show, and your lines will generally follow suit.

[Dose206]

Marleen,

thanks for the good wishes for my family. have you seen the pics i posted in my sb? anyway, i like your muslcey guys, as far as muscle placement, they're not bad, but whem it comes to shading.. well, not too bad either, but taj's advice is really good and will likely help you to progress. i guess that's all i have for now.

chris

[Noë]

@Taj; Thank's a lot for that! I'm trying to get it right, but it's so hard.. I'm doing some Loomis now.. But I have to study for school too, and I don't know how to do everything I want to do..
@A.A.A.; Thank you too, I'll try to think more in shapes.
@Chris; yes I've seen your pictures! :) And thanks :)

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http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/149352365.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/149495906.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/149495908.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/149495904.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/150879566.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/150879559.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/150879549.jpg
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/150879582.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/150879590.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/150879576.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/150879586.jpg

*feels very unhappy about this entry*

love
Marleen

[koroshiya001]

Great stuff. The foot studies are looking pretty good, but you should do some more without shoes. That eye in the second one looks great, too. Keep posting now and forever.

Wish you we're comin' to the workshop.
-Wil

[TheGnoll]

I agree with Taj.It ain't that hard.Instead of studing the proportions that way, just try out sketching a human body made of 3d shapes.ACtually, try and draw ANYTHING made of 3d shapes, then go slowly into detail.You rely too much in contour in your drawings, and it shows.It ain't that hard at all.I'm sure Loomis will help, try doing some exercise as soon as you're free from school (i know what it feels like myself ;))

keep 'em comin'

ciao

[Steve-I]

Great going here, I was in no way doing this kind of drawing when I was as young as you. Your "selfportrait from picture" on page three is very good but you can see (I'm sure) that a few things are off.
TheGnoll has a good point and I am not sure if anyone else suggested using guidelines...and it helps to measure things out.
Keep going!
-Steve-

[hp]

you've made a lot of improvement, good job!

if anything i would say try to keep your paper in one piece lol, often it appears crumpled or the ones that are tinted (are they watercolored?) seem like water has sort of ruined the drawing. if you are using water based materials or just paint in general make sure to use thicker paper.

about practicing using guidelines, try laminating a paper with the guidelines drawn on it and use a vis-a-vis (or any wet marker that can be used on transparencies) to practice drawing your figures. that way you can erase again and again and the guidelines will always be the same.

[Noë]

@Koroshiya/Wil; Thank you! I need to do some more foot studies I guess yes, will ask my mother or father (or anyone who is around) if they want to pose for me :P I wish I was coming to the workshop too, but I calculated the costs, and tuition and airplain ticket alone was 1100 euro's I just don't have that money.. Will try to come to Rome though, but I guess you won't be there..
@TheGnoll; Thank you, I will! (already started loomis by the way, love his figure drawing book... *heart*).
@Steve-I; Thank you too Steve! I already try to use guidelines, as in that the 'ideal' male body is 8 heads tall and 2,5 heads wide, and those things. It's hard though. I measure things out roughly, but sometimes I just try to train my eye in seeing these proportions better.
@hpslashluvr; Thanks (wow I'm thanking a lot of people today..). About the toned paper, it wasn't watercoloured.. In that post I typed that a bottle of water opened up in my bag, and therefor all the pages were wrinkled, but I still wanted to post these three pages. I know that I use too thin paper to support paint, but I only do these "paintings" to try to get a bit better at it. If I want to make a more finished painting, I will use cardboard to paint on I think. I like the tip about the guidelines..! Maybe I'll do that in the school vacation!

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and now; the update!
I finally got to drawing some things today! It was really calming for me to be concentrated to drawing again. I just had too much school work and dance practices these last three days to do any drawing, but now I hope that's over. I also cleaned up my room and found some old paint doodles I thought I should maybe post too. And I got my drawings back from school to home, with very high grades on them (*blush*)!
Here we go;

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/152186406.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/152186410.jpg
left; drawing for school, this took me about 1,5 hours, right; another unfinished drawing for school. Sort of selfportrait.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/152186419.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/152186415.jpg
Did these two pages about 4 days ago, in pen. Tried not to go over any line I already made... Wow that's so hard to do! Should do more of these excercises..

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/152186440.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/152186445.jpg
The acrylic doodles from a few months ago.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/152186424.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/152186429.jpg
left; I tried to draw a pinochio doll as a warming up, right; I drew some paper. each one of these two took 30 minutes to finish.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/152186433.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/152186422.jpg
left; quick leg study (15 min) right; some Loomis (finally) hope to do a lot more.

I think that's it for now!
Now I will go do homework.. Maths, physics and English..
Love,
Marleen

[TheGnoll]

nice updates.Good work on the paer (very useful exercise) and with the loomis studies.Do more and more and more.Make sure you remeber to place each figure on a suface, balancing them is also very important (there should be a section bout that in one of the books.After you've done loads of these, start adding some value to the figure, and then place them in perspective, with a horizon, a viewpont etc.Actually, just looking and loomis drawings and then trying to elaborate them in order should help.Take one step at the time, and make sure you concentrate on these, its not about copying them, its about understanding them ;)

keep drawing!

ciao

[Taj]

I get frustrated just looking at your drawings because the rendering is superb (see your drapery) but your structure is really lacking, work on come contour studys from life (your hand that's not drawing, your boyfriend/dad/mom sleeping, other students in class when the teachers talking) draw draw draw! but draw for a reason!

[crimsoneye]

Wow, you made it to page four. I agree with Taj that you need to work on your structure more. Just remember one thing is to draw simplifed shapes first and than go into detail. First draw the frame or bones that show action that the figure is preforming. Than Draw the square, sphere, triangle, rectangle, or box on to that frame. These shapes could also used when sketching the compositions for your final drawing.

[hp]

about the acrylic doodles, i know they're doodles and i know they're very loose on purpose but watch where you are "doodling" your lines...it's a bit too random. as everyone else said try to watch the underlying structure and later the looseness will come to you.

[Noë]

First of all; I'm sorry I didn't update for so long!! I should really sketch more.

@ TheGnoll; You're right about taking one step at a time.. When I start doing something I want it all and I want it now :P I should just practice, practice and practice more! I didn't do any loomis studies since that page, and I'll start doing them again very soon. Thanks for commenting here!
@ Taj; Damn I hate to say it but you're so right.. Will try to render as little as possible and only do outlines in my future sketches!!
@ Crimsoneye; thanks I'll try.. *cries* :P
@ hpslasluvr; Hmm these doodles are from a few months back, I just tried to find out how to use acrylic, and I was experimenting. I found these back and kinda liked them so decided to post them. They don't have to have an underlying structure always... They weren't meant to be studies or anything, I just wanted to try out paint.

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I'm working on my thunderdome piece a lot right now, so I'm sketching less..
But nevertheless I have a few crappy sketches for you.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/157193790.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/157193788.jpg
two sketches done in the train on printer paper

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/157193787.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/157193783.jpg
They suck, I know.. these were done from the mind, didn't have ref pictures around..

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/157193771.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/157193774.jpg
Now these two I kind of do like, not much, but a little.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/157193792.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/157193791.jpg
sketches done from underwear models.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/157194591.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/157193794.jpg

that's it for now..
I'll print out some reference pictures soon and sketch from those, because I definetely can't sketch figures from the mind..

Love
Marleen

[verao]

You're making alot of progress. BTW heb je dat lijstje nog afgewerkt dat boven een gezicht op je eerste bladzijde stond haha

[Nostradamus]

Looks great - maybe try and before drawing a figure to make the overall shapes first, it really helps - also you could try drawing the loomis skeleton and then adding skin to that, should get a better sense of proportion.

[blanquish]

hmmm nice improvement
I think the best way for you to improve, would be to do a lot of observational drawing.
Sit down with a sibling or parent and draw them to you bleed.
Ive drawn my dad about a 100 times.
Self portrats help too
keep it coming

[Myxomatosis]

Agree with blanquish - observational drawing (especially pretaining to the figure) is key in developing a flowing mark. When you work with people who are constantly moving you compensate for that fact, and your figures begin to move on the page with your mark. Your pencil strokes are very direct and blocky - the figures don't carry the form of a human body. It's made up of muscles and rolls of fat, everything is round. Even in your cloth drawing, which I rather enjoyed, everything is angular. Never worry about being expressive - that's when your mark really shows.

Keep sketching.

[lefran]

great progress keep it up :) i like the style of this one
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/149352365.jpg i think it would work great with bolder lines and washes of colour like you have there

[koroshiya001]

Nice looking model sketches. 2 things I notice about a lot of your pieces are face placement or size (usually its too low or too small), and that your neck muscles tend to be over emphasized. that may just be the models you work from, I don't know, but they do look overdone to me. Just keep on working and it'll all work out in time.

-Wil

[White Rose]

oooh... i see u improving :3 but i see a bad habit.. with your lines..
the sketchy sketchy lines... like a fellow ca member told me..
try to make your lines confidant (sp?)..and not sketchy

^_^ sooo how are you enjoying those loomis books :3

[Noë]

@ Verao; thank you :lineart: enne ja volgens mij heb ik alles van dat lijstje wel gedaan.
@ Nostradamus; Thanks, I guess it would be a good idea to do that. *Writes list of things to do when sketching* :scribble:
@ blanquish; Yes you're right, I should do more selfportraits and observational studies *writes it down*. But my parents almost never sit still for more than 2 minutes. And they don't really sleep in the living room.
@ Myxomatosis (how do you come up with a name like that?); Thank you for your nice comment, are you saying my lines should be more curvy and less straight? *writes down* hihi ^^. I don't know what you mean with pretainting though, couldn't find it in the dictionary either.
@ lefran; thanks! I kinda like the style of that one too, though I don't plan on working on it some more, it was just a speedy speedy.
@ Koroshiya; thanks Wil! I do think I overdid the neck muscles, especially in the sketches I did from the mind. *writes down; do not overdo neck muscles* hihi.
@ White Rose; Yes, the sketchy scribbly lines, I'm trying to work on those right now. But it's hard to get rid of them.. I didn't do much with the loomis books yet, since I have a lot of work to do (summer job) during the days and I work on my LMST pic a lot too. But I'm going to draw a lot from it, promise! :scribble:

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I started on the only sketch with lines thing.. So here they are.. Just lines *aaaargh :P* I want to put shadows in and depth and all.!!

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/159119594.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/159119625.jpg
left; painter doo, right; PS doo.. I like the right one a lot

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/159119578.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/159119631.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/159119702.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/159119696.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/159119689.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/159119685.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/159119669.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/159119657.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/159119647.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/159119642.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/159119635.jpg

that's it for now,
now I'll go to sleep, I'll try to comment in all of the sketchbooks of the people who commented on this last page of my SB tomorrow morning :)
It's about time I do something for you too :P

lots of love,
Marleen

[Ryan DeMita]

Really nice sketchbook going here. I like your urge to really study the basics and stays devoted to their sketchbook. Keep up the good work.

[Myxomatosis]

pertaining*. Sorry, typo >.< Nice update, by the way. Also, Myxomatosis is a disease that infects rabbits. It also happens to be the title of a song by Radiohead.

[Dose206]

Marleen, apologies for not checkin on you sonner, but first and foremost I wanna say holy crap about that drapery study! I wish that I had some crits for you, but at this point I don't. I'm sorry. But I wanna give you a kudos for having so many updates, and keeping us posted with your work. Sweet stuff.

Chris

[Noë]

@ Ryan DeMita; Thank you! I think that I like life a lot more having something to do, having some kind of a goal. And I think becoming a good artist is a great goal for me, I just hope I don't take too long on getting there (if I ever get there)
@ Myxomatosis; Ah Radiohead! I should know that really, since I love their songs. But I don't know their latest albums, only the first 3 or 4 I think. *starts listening Radiohead :P*. I still don't know what you mean.. Pertainting?
@ Chris; Thank you for posting here :lineart: . Really you shouldn't feel sorry about not posting after every update.. I think you post quite regularly here, so don't feel bad! Especially with the baby and all, your life must be very busy at the moment.

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I went to a dutch sketchgroup meeting and had a lot of fun! The people were all so nice.. They gave me some usefull crits and lotsa inspiration.

Now I have for you; a very big update! ^^
There's some stupid boring crap in it but also some interesting stuff.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945590.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945595.jpg
more line girls, I think these are the best and quickest ones yet

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945605.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945749.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945741.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945730.jpg
I like that right one a lot, and might take it further

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945712.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945700.jpg
some lousy scribblings during the dutch sketchgroup meeting

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945695.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945690.jpg
more crap :P

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945684.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945675.jpg
I really enjoyed rendering the hair of the left one, I just had to do something else than linework :P

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945671.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945667.jpg
I really don't like drawing with a pen, but I must since it's a good exercise :S

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945661.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945651.jpg
I love that right page a lot! Especially the hand in the middle.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945643.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945629.jpg
Loomis mannikin frames thingys.. I can draw them from the book, but it's so hard to try to create your own..

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/160945620.jpg

that's it for now!
I hope you enjoyed the big update :P Now I'll start working on my Thunderdome image, so there won't be a lot of big updates I think.

Lots of Love
Marleen

[Erilaz]

Yay! Huge sketchdump! :confident

Your quick gesturals are coming over well. Great curves!
As to the loomis mannikins, it might help to do about 5 or 6 pages of them from imagination if you're having difficulty doing your own. I filled a quite a few pages with them once and it really helped me lock down some proportions and motions in my head. I just kept coming back to the originals and checking to make sure the masses were right.

[Mikhael]

Wow.
Been looking through your past sketches and I've gotta say your improving
daily, just keep those sketches going. ;)
You should try working with mediums such as watercolor and markers with ur sketches, you'd be suprise with some of the effects you could get.
Btw, I saw the piece (the girl done in black and white) which you did on painter, and was just wondering if you used a mouse or one of those tablets thing to create it?

[Cigaro]

hello:)
how's it been?:D
managed to arrive here...gimme a few days and i'll give some comments :)...i see a lot of good stuff:)

[crimsoneye]

I gotta say Noe your figure are getting better. Just keep up the work and won't be surpise how good you be at the end of year.

[Noë]

@ Erilaz; Thank you! I will do a lot of loomis mannikins once the thunderdome stuff is finished.
@ Mikhael; I might use some watercolour soon, but I don't have markers here and I'm not going to buy them right now (I really try to save some money this summer..) I'm afraid that if I'll use watercolour, that the paper will wrinkle so easily though.. But maybe I should just try it out and see how it goes.
@ Cigaro; Ah Hello Andreea (right?). It's nice to see you here. Thanks for stopping by ^^.
@ Crimsoneye; I hope you're right! I will just practice a lot and hope I'll get better..

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Here's a kindof bad update. It contains a lot of scribbles and bad sketches. There are two things I do like about this update I think.

http://members.chello.nl/w.renders/plaatjes/45-1.jpg
here's my "entry" for the teen challenge (topic; rough landing) It started out as an environment and perspective practice, and then I decided to add a bird and call it rough landing.. Right.. :P

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163252780.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163252783.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163252785.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163252800.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163252799.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163252794.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163252790.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163252803.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163252801.jpg
This last one is drawn from a statue in the Van Abbe Museum in Eindhoven.. I work in the restaurant of the museum, and I got there an hour early and decided to draw this statue by Juan Munoz, because I really like it.

Love
Marleen

[blanquish]

I think youve got to work on your pencil rendering, its kinda messy- all over the place
the anatomy is coming along, but your stuff is very "stiff"
ease up a little, and draw from life
keep working

[Magic Man]

Hi Noe, your studies are paying off beautifully, please keep at it and you will find it become easier and easier - its just your brain making new pathways, when you think of it in this way, its becomes that that little bit less scary =)

m

[Noë]

@ Blanquish; I'm trying! As you can see in my posts I'm trying to get my lines better, more curvy, and the poses less stiff. About the rendering, I think my rendering is much better than my lines and proportions are right now. So I'm working on those before I'll be working on getting the rendering better. I know I should work on everything, but there are always things that are far worse than the rest, so I think It's good to concentrate on the things that need the attention most. Oh and about that drawing from the statue; I tried a lot of different shading techniques on that one, so yes it looks messy :)
@ MagicMan; Thanks! I think that when you actually start doing studies of things you never did before, that's the thing that makes it less scary.. To actually do it. Once you break through that wall of doing it, it's not that hard anymore to try new things.

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Here's a small update.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163916316.jpg
a painter doo.. I'm starting to get better with painter, I especially like a custom made pastel chalk. And I like the different sort of papers you can use and how much grain you want.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163916315.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163916324.jpg
I started hand drawings from life (my little sister was so sweet to hold her hands up in different positions while she was watching TV)

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163916323.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163916320.jpg
(I definetely not like charcoal pencils :P)

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163916322.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/163916321.jpg
I read somewhere that it's good to draw things you actually don't want to draw, so I went in our garden and drew a little tree, a chair (ugh :P) and a plant (oh and a hand, but I actually do like to draw hands)

Love
Marleen

[ArcoNL]

You're showing some really good progress here. Good work on the hand studies...keep going.
Oh, and you're absolutely right about not trying to work on everything at once, I think that's the right way to go!

Cheers,
Arco

[RandAlThor]

Hey Noe, Just wanted to offer you some reassurance, i can definetley see an improvement since your early works. Keep at it and dont get disheartened. Try some bolder, broader strokes too, i've noticed you seem to be either drawing one continuous line slowly, or lots of little lines fast? ;)

[masterpug]

Making good progress, but there is still some proportional problems and some things with how the body fits together. I think you should do more muscle and skeletal studies. Also, if you haven't in a while, do some work w/ breaking the body up into planes. It helps realizing depth and the like. I suggest you take a look at mentler's sketchbook. He posted recently in mine, so you can get there from here. Good work, keep rolling 'em out!

[Cigaro]

the last handstudies look very good..a lot of progress and i see you feel them as geometrical shapes
some good paintings and studies as well...esp the painting with the perspective environment;)
what i envy you for is the ammount of studies you do...i barely do a small drawing in 3 days...therefore i wish i had your willpower:)
in matter of figure i see a lot of progress, still a bit scared of it though
best way imo would be to first draw geometrical shapes and then, based on them, the actual drawing
i, for one, need to base myself more on that, to feel volumes better
will defo keep an eye out here:)
cheers

[Effel]

Hi there Marleen,

I guess it's about time I paid a little contribution to your sketchbook. Thanks a million for the helpful advice. You are right, I never really paid much attention to how individual facial features look in real life. I started out drawing using an american book on drawing (realistic) comics (a bit fifties/sixties style, actually a bit like loomis, but more cartoony). But doing it that way, you sort of skip the real thing, and are copying other people's simplifications (weetjewel).

I think your sketchbook is an excellent example of the effectiveness of the whole sketchbook idea. You can really see a lot of progress through the pages. I like the sheet (the thing you did for school, I think). Nice values ;-)

PS it must be inspiring to work at a musuem, I'm jealous.

my sketchbook (http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=69229&highlight=scratches)

[Doronila]

Im a munoz admirer meself and the statue looks ace! Lets see more sketches from the museum ya work at :)

[archipelago]

lots of hard work going on here which is nice to see :D lots of definite improvement from the first page aswell, so its paying off!

I think one of the biggest problems with your anatomy is that you seem to forget about the two most important masses, the ribcage and the pelvis and how these two are joined together, The Loomis manaquin is good, sure, but doing some studies of the actual volumes of the pelvis and ribcage will probobly help you out :)

Anyways, keep up this hard work and you never know where you might end up :)

[sleep]

darling m. you're getting better and better & i'm happy to be able to see it quite clearly from the start of your sb through to the latest page.

on your hand studies, i'd say you should try making less lines with the pencil. get used to doing things very fluenty in one stroke and maybe emphasizing the contours of the hands to make the pieces more interested, and hopefully it'll help you remember the hand's structure better also.

also, my technique for drawing trees with many leaves is draw a representative outline of the leaves in large groups, and then smaller groups where it's more noticeable like the foreground, and then doodle individual leaves where you really need to.

the colours in your teen challenge entry are rather lovely. keep it up..!

love, sean

[koroshiya001]

Nice studies. You're getting a lot better at digital too. You may want to get (back?) into the habit of placing construction lines on the face to keep your eyes in good relation to eachother and in proportion, etc... A lot of your faces (although usually the ones at wierd angles, so its ok) have oddly placed eyes. Just something to work on, eh?

Cant wait to see your LMS2 entry.

-Wil

[Darolan]

Hi Marleen,

Ben er een tijdje uit geweest, maar heb net even je schetsboek doorgenomen.
Misschien is het voor jezelf moeilijk te zien of op te merken, maar je werk is er behoorlijk op vooruit gegaan. Terrecht ook dat je een hoop complimenten ontvangt over je laatste hand schetsen. Het is goed te zien dat je steeds meer besef krijgt van de afzondelijke vormen waaruit (bijv) een hand is opgebouwd.

Insprirerend om te zien dat je dat je op deze manier met je talent bezig bent.

Keep up the good work. Ik kom sowieso snel weer binnen vallen.

Liefs Ivo

[lefran]

your faces are improving quite a lot and your sketch pages look more interesting with each post , keep it up :)

Fran x

[Noë]

Woaaaaah those are a lot of comments! Thanks all!

@ ArcoNL; one word; thanks!
@ RandAlThor; yup that's true, lots of lines fast goes about as quick as one line slowly.. I need time during the drawing to see where the line is going. But maybe I should make quicker lines? I try not to draw a lot of lines fast, really. What do you mean with bolder, broader strokes? You mean in the line sketches?
@ masterpug; thanks, I agree that I need to do more full body studies, and skeletal also, and ehhh everything? :S
@ Cigaro; why are you scared of the progress? I think it would be interesting to draw the geometrical shapes first, could help me a lot. But I'm having a hard time thinking exactly how I could do that? Cos mostly I just start scribbling (oh no; drawing :P) away and seeing what comes out of it, ór I'm inspired by art on the internet.
@ Effel; hello there! I agree with you about that this sketchbook is kindof effective, I really get driven to draw more everytime I visit CA, and the sketchbooks. And I got a lot of great crits here.
@ Doronila; yep I love Munoz too myself, I didn't know him before I saw that statue, but then I went to look for other things he did on the internet and it looks lovely. The museum mostly has abstract statues and paintings. I don't really like a lot of the paintings, and the ones I do like, I can find better on the internet to draw them.. This statue is the only one I could find that really has some reckognisable form in it. So I don't know if I'll draw much more from the museum, maybe I'll draw the Munoz statue from some other angles though.
@ archipelago; thanks :) I think you have a good point with the ribcage pelvis thing. I never really thought of that being a problem, but I can see it now. Will do some studies ^^
@ Tie; thanks thanks! Have nothing else to say.
@ Koroshiya / Wil; Yup, I'm not there yet with the faces, even though they are getting better, I will try the construction line thingy :) But it's kinda hard to find out how everything should be at a weird angle, because in photograps I can't find the construction lines back most of the time with weird angles.
@ Darolan / Ivo; Thanks a lot! I can see some progress when I compare the beginning of this sketchbook with where I am now, but I always feel like it's not going fast enough. So many people seem to improve so much quicker, but maybe they have/ make more time to draw. Thanks for your kind words. Do I know you?
@ LeFran; hello hello ^^ thanks a lot.

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Now, the update :P
I've been experimenting a bit, but see it for yourself;

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/166395920.jpg
a quick sketch, with ecoline..

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/166395947.jpg
a work in progress for C.O.W. "orange sea leviathan" maybe I'll finish it someday, but I didn't enter anything.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/166395944.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/166395940.jpg
some heads from the "draw 50 heads challenge" and some from imagination or memory

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/166395937.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/166395931.jpg
left; the beginning of my new sketchbook.. (I might take that head a bit further) right; some more experimenting and trying heads :S

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/166395928.jpg
this was drawn from a picture of me, but it (kind of on purpose) didn't turn out to look much like me. I guess there are a few things wrong about it. Maybe I'll do it again in a while.

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Daaaaamn I really need to get you guys and gals some crits on your sketchbooks!
Tomorrow I'll get up early and spend an hour on that (If I don't oversleep... :S)

love
Marleen

[crimsoneye]

For what I can tell your facial propotion in most of your drawings are getting better. Try working more on the structure of the nose in some of your drawings. One problem see with the last drawing is that there is a strand hair that looks like it is connected to your nose. Something wired with the structure of the right side of your face though. If you posted the photo I might could help you some more.

[sleep]

mm, i agree with crimsoneye. your facial proportions have improved a lot, some of your earlier ones were a bit.. well, nevermind. they're good now!

is head#03 michael jackson..? ahaha

your orange sea leviathan is pretty funny. you should probably work on perspective and making pictures more dynamic with foreshortening, though i'm not sure how you could go about doing this. the picture is also a bit bland in terms of colour... greys and desaturated oranges. boring! and the little bit of the head at the top is just way distracting. why is it there!

i really like the colours on the ecoline sketch...

i'm also quite amazed that you would set aside time for commenting on sketchbooks. i just do it when i'm bored, ahh..

[Noë]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHH
computer crashed after I typed almost my entire post.
So everything I said you'll never read because i'm PISSED OFF right now. :)
Oh and crimsoneye click (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/168066662.jpg).

here's the update.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/168066655.jpg
20 mins photoshop sketchyness on the head (crit those colours please! more saturation? Less greys? Change it completely?)

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/168066653.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/168066650.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/168066647.jpg
lol.. I think I like the pencil sketch most :P

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/168066643.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/168066640.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/168066667.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/168066674.jpg

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/168066670.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/168066678.jpg

love,
Marleen

[Noë]

Okay :D here's the new sketchdump!

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/169265267.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/169265272.jpg
some stupid paintchat and painter stuff.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/169265292.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/169265286.jpg
first "real" tryout with watercolour on paper. I didn't intend to make that face so manga-ish.. :S

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/169265281.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/169265278.jpg
sketchystuff

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/169265283.jpg http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/169265275.jpg
left; entry for challenge with Tie (topic; wild princess), right; some more hands

http://members.chello.nl/w.renders/Noe_1_TD.jpg
my thunderdome entry.

Love
Marleen

[Dile_]

Sick sketchbook, sooo many sketches! awsome work Noë !!
Keep up the good work I be checking in more
often here to see how you progress! :) great work

[guitarjames]

great stuff i espeacilly like the last two posts ,couple of things the TD ebtry would have been nicer with a background and keep on studing faces.
james

[crimsoneye]

Here my crits with your self portrait with photo as help. I see there problem with foreshorting of the forehead. It look as if you enlong the head, where head is being foreshorten Your head should be little bit wider, and there problems with the jaw line. This just my opinion what see wrong, but keep at the good work. Everytime I come back here your draws keep getting better.

[Noë]

Hello everybody,
this is just a post to tell you that I'm still here.
I've been away on vacation for a week with my love in Wales and I'm at his place at the moment where I'm not able to scan my sketchies.
I can assure you though that I already have 27 new pages in my sketchbook since the last update, so next update will be huge (and in two posts, because of the 24 images per post limit)
I have a little 2 hour photoshop thingy that I can post today, for the rest you'll just have to wait.

@ Dile; hey man! Thanks a lot! I try to sketch a lot indeed, hope it makes me progress faster :)
@ James; I agree with you on the TD entry, the problem was that I created this woman at first, and then thought of an environment, while I should have given the environment as much thought as this woman, and at the same time. I am studying faces, but I try to do more figure drawing as well. Thanks for stopping by!
@ Crimsoneye; hello there sketchgroup fella ^^, I think you're right about the face, though as I already said in the post where I showed this drawing; It wasn't my intention to make it look like me. I just wanted to create a kindof believable face. But thanks :) and thanks for stopping by.

Here's the little photoshop thing.
I'm not happy with it now I look at it again, but I'm not going to work on it again. Please crit the COLOURS most :) Because I really need to learn to use colours better.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL655/2419646/5277014/176333432.jpg

love
Marleen

[chaosrocks]

hey its in PS experiment!
don't like the ornge BG try bluish green or a similar to the eye colour to bring out that brightness.. work rhe opposites on the color wheel and ovelay one transparent color over another to get depth abd richness.
-black is never blackit is all colors and to achieve light interplay you should try to make use of that.
The render is well done...you are getting better and better
more art! faster!
chaos

[Dose206]

hey there! long time no post, for me at least. You've been busy, and good job! i gotta say that i'm impressed with your ability to see your mistakes. I'm gonna go ahead and say that the colors in your latest post are a bit... extreme. well, maybe just too bright for my taste. I would like to see a more subdued background, and I think that there is too much glare, brightness, I'm not sure exactly how to say it, on the face. Hope that helps some

CHris

[Taj]

wow, that photoshop painting is great, keep up that work pace!

[Noë]

yaaaay the update!
24 sketchpages will be in this very post,
but first my reactions to the lovely people who criticised me.

@ ChaosRocks; Thanks for the crits, I agree with you about the background, I tried cooler colours on it and it looked much better. You're also right about the black, I never really gave it much thought, just needed it as a quick t-shirt thingy. Thanks for stopping by!
@ Chris; Thanks for posting :teeth: I agree with you on the too much brightness issue. I kinda overdid the highlights hihi ^^ You keep updating some more too.. :)
@ Taj; thanks :) But which one do you mean? The latest one or the TD one?

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http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/087.jpg http://members.chello.nl/w.renders/plaatjes/86.jpg
my take on a challenge with Tie, we had one hour for this. The topic was Fairy hunter.

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/088.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/089.jpg
right; another challenge with Tie, no time limits. I don't think Tie finished his.

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/090.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/091.jpg

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/092.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/093.jpg

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/094.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/095.jpg
right; another challenge with Tie, topic was male pirate. no time limit

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/096.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/097.jpg

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/098.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/099.jpg

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/100.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/101.jpg

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/102.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/103.jpg

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/104.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/105.jpg

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/106.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/107.jpg

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/108.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/109.jpg

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/110.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/111.jpg

So that was the stuff I did in my vacation, well it's not everything because I also scribbled a lot on papers lying around and I didn't scan those, but I think this is enough (to scan, resize, upload and write this post took me almost an hour!). I did make some digital stuff at my bf's place, but forgot to upload them, so as soon as I go back there I will upload those.

Now I expect a lot of crits from everybody lol!

love
Marleen

P.S. I got a "the art of world of warcraft" book.. I LOVE it! I think I will learn a lot from it. Must take notes while looking through it for the 20th time :P

[chaosrocks]

I would reccommend some studies on facial Proportion, you have a tendency to make the eyes too far apart, too high and to big.....your hands and feet are really getting good, maybe try to start giving them some form and roundness?
good job
chaos

[sleep]

hooray, an update!! i hope we can still be sketchbuddies even though i left the sketch support group :)

you're coming along well.. you still use too many lines though. as practise, find a reference picture(or something in real life, like a doll), and then with a light pencil, very lightly draw the basic shapes that the object is made from. then with a darker pencil, use the basic shapes as a guideline for the finished form and try to draw the object very simply with as few lines as possible. dont worry about dragging a line across to the other side of the object without taking the pencil off the paper, it makes the work look good

also,on some of your renderings of made up characters, there is no need to render the whole body and only leave the highlights as white. make the midtone white, and then only draw the shadows, there is no need to render the whole thing to give it a sense of form. drawing is not painting- you must try to make the biggest effect with the least lines and the least pencil marks

keep it up my love. *throws cat* :meow: i have a picture of my kittens for you, the next time you come on msn!

[oma]

Oke, good to see you draw this much.

i only have to crits..

1.. draw more :P > upload more :P

2.. . many people told it to me, and now iám gonna tell it to you. draw the corners of the eye's not at the same line. the inner corners are a little bit lower than the outside corners.

i hope i was helpfull to you. wish i can see some more digital stuff off you. that is what i like most of you :P.

(P.S. in Eindhoven kan je leuk winkelen :P)

[faux pas]

Iotas of improvment can be seen through your sketchbook, post more!

[(c)]

nice updates!! your last portraits are really nice and your sence for proportions become better as well

keep it up :D

[Noë]

Thanks everybody for being so kind to stop by.. About the updating and drawing more: I'm trying to draw more and more, but it's so hard since my day is something like this; school-> homework -> some drawing -> homework or dance class -> about an hour of CA or drawing time -> bed. But I'm trying! And drawing 5 hours a week at school also, but the results of that are still at school.

@ Chaos; Yes I guess you're right, I'm kinda getting back into my old habits :S Thanks for the great crits you always give girl! I really need to post things in your SB soon. *curses time*
@ Tie; SEAAAN LOVE! :) thanks for the crits, and thanks for stopping by and all. About the "only leaving the whites as highligts and filling in the rest", thats a thing I really like doing, it may sound weird, but I do :P But I'll try filling in less and get it quicker :).
@ Oma; Thanks! I'm keeping that eye thing in mind now! (P.S. Tja eindhoven is wel oke.. :) Weinig alternatieve winkeltjes though.)
@ faux pas; thanks :)
@ (c); Thanks a lot, the portraits are better, but I need to practice a lot more to make them look like humans and not like a boring face... You know? :P

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Now a little update.

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/112.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/113.jpg
on the right is a thing I was considering for the "Chicks who draw chicks calendar", but I don't like it anymore. I really need to get my pose figured out for that calendar..

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/114.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/115.jpg

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/115-1.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/116.jpg

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/117.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/118.jpg

So that's it :)
I hope to be back soon with some more.. Sean (Tie) convinced me to update every two days, so well, I'm going to try that..

Really! Truly! Soon..! I will comment in a lót of sketchbooks!
Soon... :) :S
Lots of love
Marleen

[Coen]

Hey Marleen, some awesome drawings here! So much improvement to see in your sketchbook, it's pretty inspiring, I'll subscribe this one :D
By the way, these marker sketches you did, did you do 'em with copic markers or some other brand? I've been looking around for copic markers but it seems they don't even exist here in the Netherlands :P

Keep drawing!

[Dose206]

Hey there Marleen, how are ya? Great update, I'm going on vacation soon and I hope that I can come back with as much work as you have here. I like some of the poses you have in there, and I can see the Art of WoW influence. That's a great book huh? I have it myself and it is a great source of inspiration.

Now, I'd love to see some different stuff from you, for example, I'd love to see some faces from a 3/4 view, or something abit more irregular. I've noticed that all of your faces are coming in a full frontal or profile view. Also, I gotta agree with Tie about rendering with pencils, you really need only to render the shadows. try it out and see where that leaves you.

I really like the recycled paper drawing (SP?) from your last post.

Also, I'm very interested in these challenges you have with Tie. I'm not trying to shove in on something special, but if there's anyway you'd like to get some challenges going with me, I'd love it. However, we'd have to do ones with no time limit, maybe like a day limit, cause I'm hatefully busy these days. Anyway, let me know!

Keep up the good work and have fun!

Chris

[chaosrocks]

great!~ more art! faster..

watch those eyes sockets, they tend to pop forward and be biggerthan they should. they are really important but they are not as big as you think they are
1 fifth of the width of the face.

keep it up....

chaos

[Niva.]

Hi Noe,

You have some goofy stuff going on, I like the results when you spend more time on your work... but don't listen to me, everyone crits me for spending too much time rendering images and not doing enough practice which you're obviously doing. I should be learning form you haha!

[crimsoneye]

Hey Marleen, I really like what did on that photoshop piece. It really show off your develop in photoshop. I think you should try do some paintings with traditional paints. I think it will help you improve. Your form is getting better. I agree with Chaosrock on the eye problem.

Ryan

[Kian]

I think you're going about everything pretty well Noe :) Just keep going

[Noë]

wow thanks all of you! I'm getting so many replies lately, oh man I feel bad for not posting in the other sketchbooks regularly anymore.
But tonight I also have no time for it because I need to catch a train back home soon (I'm at my boyfriends place now).
I didn't scan anything new yet, but I did find some paintings back on this computer I did about two weeks ago.
The only one I kinda like is the one of the standing naked lady.
The face needs a lot more work, I did that one in about 10 minutes.

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/120.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/121.jpg

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/122.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/123.jpg

Now I'm off drawing a little bit. Then I have to eat and then I go to the train :( *sad* *goes off to hug boyfriend now*

lots of love
Marleen

[Noë]

another quick update.
The rock thingys are school stuff. I got a 7,5 out of 10. people with abstract stuff got 8,5 :S but well that's all subjective, I don't care.

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/124.jpg

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/125.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/126.jpg

http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/127.jpg http://www.marleenrenders.com/sketchbook/128.jpg

love
Marleen