Sketchbook of Noë

[Marlisa]

Hey Marleen!

I really like the shadingtechnique in the second one: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=595757&d=1234891137.
And I love the portraits! Maybe I should do so too :^^:

Knufs!
Marlisa

[sleep]

oi u dutch dame. its been a long time. ive come out of hibernation. again. :} mite stick around a bit longer this time heh heh heh. your dedication shows- u started ur sketchbook 2 months before me like 4 years ago , here u are with 26 pages while i have 9...

anyway, what can i say. uve come a long way, ur recent portraits are forty thousand funks better than the stuff on page 1. i see ur covering all the bases, life drawing, graphics/type, perspective studies.......i didnt really come to give you an in depth critique i just wanted to say hi haha. maybe later XXXX

[Taj]

Keep in mind when you're drawing Marleen, and this applies to pretty much everything:
Gesture first, then proportion.
for example in your portraits, try to capture the general shape then focus more and check your proportions against one another, is the models eyes really that high compared to the ears/nose, mouth. in other words check the horizontals and verticals.
those hands are pretty great though.

[Noë]

Thank you all for replying ^^, now I'm going to reply to your replies and make the last part of the big update :teeth:

@ Clochette, Wookiedabo, : thanks :scribbly:
@ Marlisa; thanks :lineart:, I see what you mean with the texture of the board underneath, I really hate that actually. That's why I usually have a large amount of papers beneath the paper I'm drawing on, so that texture doesn't show as much ;)
@ Dose; I see yourp point, thanks.. Maybe I should pick up the daily posemaniacs again.. As it's such a good practice and doesn't take very long..
@ Teh Gosu; Hiya! I study Illustration at the HKU, yes I have fun, though some assignments feel pretty useless to me, but I guess that's what you get almost everywhere anyway.
@ Marlisa; thanks for the kick in the butt :scribbly:, Always nice to know some people would like to see more updates.. I've been pretty busy indeed, but also just neglected the sketchbook a little. Will pick this up again now though..
@ PaperX; yes, I see the problem with pointing out individual images. But I guess I'll keep it like this for now. If you want you can use the row method of pointing out, it takes a little more time though.. :lineart:
Thanks so much for the pointer on compressed charcoal! I didn't even know that existed?! Will ask my local art supply store about them. It sounds a lot better. I'm actually a bit bummed by the texture the vine charcoal gives when shading large areas, so I will definitely give the compressed charcoal a try ^^
I will try to get in some more finished stuff, but my assignments don't really give me time for that. Will scrape together some spare time for it though^^ It always feels so much better to have something actually finished.
I will watch out for the similar faces, thanks for pointing that out as well! :lineart:
@ Marlisa (again); hehe, yeah we had the assignment to draw 30 portraits on A4, so there was room to experiment.. Which is cool :)
@ Seanie; thanks for stopping by mister cat thrower! :scribbly: Though I have more pages, I only made two last year.. :( so realy we both need to work harde hehe:mittenbop:.. Love you :groupie1: haha!
@ Taj; thanks, I'll keep it in mind :lineart:
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Wow, those were a lot of replies.. Now here's the update ^^

Just some school assignments for various subjects put together.. Also there is no chronological order :P Some of these are last week and some are last year

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Hope you like ^^
Soon there will be an update with new stuffs :teeth:
Love,
Marleen

[Merlin]

Wow! updates :D. I see you've been working hard, and you are experimenting! This is good. Still having fun at school?

[Noë]

@ Merlin; Heya Merlin! I really like your last update ^^ will stop by your SB soon :).. School is definitely fun, but some of the assignments are a bit weird :P but I guess you can never like every assignment you get :lineart:
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a little update yay

I started some posemaniacs again :)
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Also I did two speedpaints from ref., one digital and one traditional (H2Oil paint), both approximately a bit more than an hour.. :)
* Note to self: next time paint the neck at the same time as the face and not afterwards lol :P
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And here are some sketches with the theme 'self confidence'. We have to search for images that relate to a word we got (I cot 'self-confident'), but I didn't feel like just looking for images all day so I drew some of the images I found. Also the last page with the chair is from 'life' (I have a miniature model of that chair)

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That was my stuff for the day.. Hoping to put in more work tomorrow, have a lot of homework to do ^^

Love,
Marleen.

[Noë]

little update
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Two portraits, just studies of colour.. Second is also to try out some of Icons brushes in Painter. I used Noukah (http://conceptart.org/forums/member.php?u=64053)'s avatar as a ref for the second.
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My daily posemaniacs again.. :S Gets kinda boring to post these, I think I'll skip posting these every time.. and just show these every few weeks/ days.

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And two little sketchies:

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That's it again.. :)
I must say that CA is such a motivating place ^^ :teeth: just regularly updating my sketchbook again and being active here again makes me draw much more!

Love
Marleen.

[Meon]

Awesome stuff!! :D

[algenpfleger]

Loads of figures! Grreeeeeeeeaaaaaat! :D But do some from photos too, Posemaniac's 3D models don't really look like humans, and also look kind of flat D: Mixing it seems like a good solution. Keep goingggggggg!

[paperX]

damn you're working marleen! great to see you updating reguarly again :)

just one crit, soften some of the edges in the shadow (eg: here (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=600134&d=1235324413)) to push them back a bit.

keep it up!

[Noë]

-- Update --
Replies will come later because I'm sooo busy, I actually don't have time for this update, but I really wanted to update so here it is anyway :P
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Figures from ref (randomly from a large folder of refs), and posemaniacs:

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Still life studies from class today: goal was to draw different textures and structures with different lines:

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Got the chance to do a small part of lifedrawing with another class.. (only half an hour) :) It's been quite a while.. The upper two are 3-min, and the lower ones 5-min

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Train sketch in my A5 moleskine notebook:

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Painter study from last night, after a study by Bloodstone (Noëlle) (http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1234867#post1234867)
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Some sketches that I found in my moleskine, these are from the last few months:

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So, quite a big update for one day :P But a lot is older than a day as well.
Now I have to go start my homework.. Damn :P SB updates take so long ^^

Love,
Marleen.

[hp]

the bloodstone study looks great!

i think during your studies you should really sit down and worry about quality over quantity. it's great you are doing so many but some of them feel rushed and not very accurate (assuming you are using photo or RL ref). that's not to say draw a photorealistic copy but maybe worry more about structure or what you are setting out to learn by doing those portraits etc.

[JailHouseRock2]

Wow Marleen you've come so far in 4 years.

The line, shadow, form and shape in you work as improved so much lately.
I think the values in your stuff could get even better tho, ti's getting there in you digis, but so darker shadows and line in the pencils could really improve that!
Good Posemaniac studies as well, but watch the proportions, sometimes the head looks slightly too big.
Really dig the painting's as well (oils?), wonderful energy!

And I love the way you post your images too, real good to look though, so thanks:)

You've been working real hard, try to keep it up,

cheers
matt.

[paperX]

good stuff marleen! I kinda agree with hp about quantity over quality but sometimes that works both ways. quantity is much better than not drawing thats for sure...as long as you got the drive, you will improve :)

an idea i would suggest is maybe when not drawing, but simply looking at the work of an artist you admire, try to analyse and understand what it is that makes the piece good. remember it for next time you draw and try to experiment and understand how and why the artist choose to do things a certain way. I find thinking contributes to quite a bit of improvement in art along with practice :)

keep it up!
Allan

[Marlisa]

I don't have much time (i'm continuing my selfportrait-painting thing) so I'll write in dutch this time (sorry non-dutch speaking people!):

Vandaag had ik wat voorbeelden nodig voor een klasgenoot die het gevoel heeft dat ze achter loopt wat 2D-techniek betreft (ze vergelijkt haar werk ook o.a. met dat van mij, terwijl ik al een jaar erop heb zitten en al meer heb geleerd..) . Het probleem is dat ze niet genoeg oefent en ook niet goed weet wat ze allemaal moet oefenen en hoe ze dat het beste aan kan pakken. Toen heb ik de link van jouw sketchbook gegeven, omdat je hier zo goed jouw vooruitgang kunt zien en hoe je alles op hebt gebouwd :).

Ik wil ook nog even kwijt dat ik dus je hele sketchbook weer heb doorgebladerd (en zelfs 2 dingen zag waarop je mij had nagetekent/geschilderd :P ghehe) en ik heb echt bewondering voor het harde werken wat je doet en al hebt gedaan. Al die uploads van al die anatomieschetsen bijvoorbeeld :^^:

De manier van schilderen op o.a. deze: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=598605&d=1235162474 vind ik erg inspirerend, omdat ik dus wat losser moet gaan leren schilderen, zodat ik niet in mijn 'stijve manier van schilderen' blijf hangen (dat zeggen de docenten dus). Ik vind de kleurtoetsen die je hebt gebruikt in o.a. dit portret en ook meer schilderijen (zoals http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=93265&d=1180111107) totaal anders dan ik het ooit zou doen. Daarom heb ik hier wel veel aan eigenlijk :).

Dit wilde ik even kwijt :)


Dikke knuffel,
Marlisa

[Noë]

@ hp;Thanks! It would be a good idea indeed to define what I want to learn with each study.. So that I have an idea of what I'm actualy learning by doing them (which is also more motivating ^^)
@ JailHouseRock2; thanks for all the compliments and crits! Will work with them. The last traditional painting was Water soluble oil paints.. Which work quite in the same way as oils, but only without the stinky turpenoid to thin them down :teeth:. I love those paints ^^
@ paperX; wow, really good advice! Some master studies might be in place as well ^^ *makes another to do list*
@ Marlisa; wow, you really made me smile :teeth: That is a big compliment to refer to my work.. :scribbly:.. My way of painting is just trial and error I think.. I usually mix my paint in a midtone, light and shadow colour and put those colours where I think they should go on the drawing. Then I start mixing and adding some different colours.. But it's really frustrating when while mixing I can't find the right colour back and it just seems to mess stuff up.
One thing I learned from a nice teacher I have is that we should not pin down to one technique to draw/paint something. It's much more rewarding to find a number of techniques to draw something, because there's no need to specialize just yet (in our first year of art school).. I think she has a point there. So I'll try to experiment in my techniques a bit more I think.
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small update

I hope I'll have more to show tonight, but I have so many things to do today that it might not come to drawing/painting today :S Damn social life :P

here are a few studies of a wad of cotton wool, goal was to experiment and find some good ways to draw/paint it.

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and.. a quick self portrait..
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That's all for now, hopefully more later today.

Love
Marleen

[paperX]

great exercise! i think on your sp the form of the chin could be defined more :)

[Marlisa]

Your quick self-portrait is nice :) How long did it take you to make it?
The cotton studies seem really hard to do :S. I like the midtones in the painted one :).

[Noë]

@ PaperX; Thanks :) You're right about the chin.. Will try to definite it on tomorrow mornings train ride ^^
@ Marlisa; thanks also :scribbly:, the SP was done in about 30 minutes, which is not really quick, but more like quick for me doing such a self portrat hihi. The wad of cotton studies were difficult yes.. But I found out something: they make GREAT references for strange cloud shapes! I will definitely use them for cloud references some day haha.

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another small update
I've been really busy with preparing a presentation for tomorrow, so unfortunately not a lot of drawing :( But here's what I did anyway.

More studies of different ways to draw objects:

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Love,
Marleen.

[hp]

nice painting! :D

also wanted to add that when you do posemaniacs, for the shorter poses don't be afraid to draw thru the body with structure as opposed to just doing a contour.

[Noë]

@ hp; Thanks :) will keep it in mind :scribbly:
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I think I've been in some sort of art slump or whatever.. Gotta break through it.
So I thought a new CA update might get me motivated to draw and paint all day from now on.. :S I'll let you know if it worked.

My sketchbook/ Dummy is full.. :) Time to start a new one.. This is some stuff from the old one. And other sketchbooks. And big paper, and :P lots of things. If you want to know the story/ assignment behind an image just ask ^^ don't feel like explaining everything right now haha.

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I've found a love for bookbinding ever since we learned to
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Love, :teeth:
Marleen.

[Marlisa]

Aargh, now I hate my school even more.
The only things we learn is how to fuck op something you've worked on for 3 hours and how to make modernish paintings that suck (for examples; look at my SB... -_-').
I would give anything to learn how to bind books too! :[
But hey, that's waaaay to traditional teaching, so my school would NEVER do something like that...

Oke, enough complaining.

This update is really cool :). I like the dreamy colours in this one http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=618755&d=1237029142
What was the assignment behind this one? http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=618762&d=1237029207
It looks cool :)

Knufs,
Frustrated Marlisa

[Smarty]

ha we just did bookbinding too! I love it, i have a load of paper on the way so i can make my own sketchbooks. I need to go make a doublebound one for my project today, yours look very well done.

[erik-jan v/d schuur]

arghhhh i wanna bind books tooo thats soo handy..
great updates noe, alot of different things verry good!

really like those painted faces!

[Noë]

@ Marlisa; aaah :( It's not so bad though.. You have some nice classes as well right? For example I'm jealous of you because you have more model drawing ;) If you want we can go bookbinding together on a tuesday or wednesday ^^ That's when the bookprint thing is open at my school :teeth:
By the way, I recently got my first "Kill your darlings!" and it wasn't fun.. So I know what you're going through.. kind of. And we hardly get anything traditional like how to handle charcoal or how to use paint, the teachers give us some things to do and then we have to experiment to figure out a good way to use the material :S I would like some practical tips to mix paints for example, or how to use charcoal to get soft transitions.. Ah well, just try to make the best out of it? :) We should paint and draw together for a weekend.. That would be motivating I think! :teeth:
Oh yes, I'll explain the assignment you asked for in my update :scribble:
@ Smarty; yes! I love being able to make my own sketchbooks too! Because they rarely have the sketchbooks that I want, so now I just buy the right paper and make one myself if I want to haha :teeth: My little books have a number of flaws still though, but I don't really care ^^
@ `ej; thanks! Maybe you can ask in your school if there's an option to learn to bind books some time? You're right, it really does come in handy and looks very professional. By the way: you're in Artez right? I live in Meppel, like 15 minutes from Zwolle, so maybe we could meet up and sketch some time ^^
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little update, some things I forgot to scan and more work on the painting.

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Felt like doing portraits last night but failed horribly in my opinion..
Though strange proportions on the left one are on purpose..

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The assignment for this image was to make a still life portraying a word (mine: self-confidence), then take a picture of this still life, and then make an illustration based on the picture. I made this pretty big (70 x 100 cm), with (hopefully) confident brushstrokes, so I hope I portrayed the word well enough :S
This should have been finished 4 weeks ago, but I missed that lesson and didn't do the assignment then :P so this is catching up haha.
EDIT: SHIT! I just see that the right (viewers left) arm is really really wonky! :S damn..

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That's me while painting today.. I look pretty young here but people usually think I'm younger than I am (19) so I guess it looks like me haha. My love took the picture, he was bugging me a bit taking pictures all the time.

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I cut out these dancers for an assignment, but don't think I'll use them.. They're cut out of bubble wrap foil stuff.. :S


So that was my little update for the day.. I'm horribly behind on school stuff so I have to get back to working on school stuff right now.. :(
Love,
Marleen

[Noë]

small updatesie!
Went to school today to find out the teacher was sick at home.. Thanks for calling us! (not) :S That was 3 hours of travelling for nothing :P
Then I got home and started a little sketch for fun before I would start homework (less fun), and got carried away haha.. That's this update mostly.
Now it's time for me to finally start homework before I have to sleep in one hour.. :( gah what do I do wrong with my planning? :P

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Little tryout

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I like this one ^^ The last image was a photograph, taken when the background was still wet. I held the paper against the light and the wet areas were see-through :P pretty fun effect!

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this is a bit of Work in Progress for an assignment :S blegh

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where I am now with this assignment (after about 2-3 hours I think?) With another 2 hours it should be finished :P I don't really like this haha.

Hope you enjoyed!! Crit me ! :teeth:
Love,
Marleen.

[Merlin]

hey, I like this one --> http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=621741

Her left arm is a bit weird tho, but the lines and colour are very nice.

Oh and don't chew on your brush! :P --> http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=619729

[erik-jan v/d schuur]

i could ask my mentor if were gonna get book binding, dont think so though..

hmm nice updates !
maybe on the last thingy you could at thin black strokes around the figure so that the figure belongs more to the gold/black background. Just a idea i had lol

yup iam on Artez would be nice to sketch sometime! After the summer i got my own atelier on school so u should come and visit me then ( als ik mijn propedeuse haal natuurlijk XD ) :)

and ehh why are you not on artez if your just 15 mins away from it? haha

[Noë]

@ Merlin; Hiya, thanks! You're doing great, love the oilpaintings! Will stop by soon ;) I actually quite like the left arm myself, maybe because of the weird elbow, for me the right arm bugs me a bit, hmm.. :) Haha @ brush chewing.. I think you saw that I wasn't really chewing on my brush right? ;) :scribble:
@ `ej; Nice idea about the black strokes.. I'm not sure whether I want her to blend in with the background though, I will consider it :) but first I want to see what it looks like when the background is finished ^^ Would be fun to come visit your school next year ^^ Do you really get an atelier for your own? Or like for your group? We have one for our group, and next year we get a new one ^^ I'm defnitely looking forward to that.
I didn't go to Artez because I liked Illustration at the HKU a lot, so decided to go there after I was accepted. :)
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a bit of an update hehe :lineart:
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Some experimenting after a painting by Lucian Freud (see colour image)

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I'm starting to like watercolours a lot :)

EDIT: I think I'm focusing on faces and female bodies too much.. Maybe I should go paint some environments and males :scribble: I think I'm going to try that ^^

Love,
Marleen.

[JailHouseRock2]

Hay Marleen, wonderful work as always!
Really diging the updates, your painting have lots of life:),

I'm pleased to see your updating more regualy too,
so try too keep it up!

matt

[Marlisa]

Wow, 3 new updates already!

The self-confidence painting is nice :)
and http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=621738&d=1237317821 these are cool!

The paintings from Lucian Freud are beautiful. Are you going to work the sketches out? In a watercolour or something?
about school: I know I have nice classes too :P I just have a bad week haha.
I would love to learn how to bookbind (?) :^^: and a weekend painting/drawing together sounds great :D

x Marlisa

[sleep]

u just keep growing dont ya. your doing all the stuff ive only just begun doing/plan to do- studies from paintings, life paintings, experimenting with other media, its all really beautiful and engaging stuff. when your going at this pace, things tend to click in your head without crit, so for now all i can say is keep going. its jokes how much ur english has improved since u first came here :}

i miss u darlin!!! XXXXXXXXX

[sleep]

also how do you put text inbetween attached images? peaceXX

[crimsoneye]

Hey, Hey... long time no see. You really have improve on your work since the last that I comment on it.

[erik-jan v/d schuur]

hey, yeh if you choose fine art (autonome kunst)
you get a atelier in the second year for you own or u share a bigger room with 1 or 2 persons but most rooms are for one person.
Then in 3rd you move to another room, and in 4th you move another time.

If you choose Story and Design ( thats graphic design, illustration,animation etc.)
then you don't get a atelier same for interieur design.

what year are you now?

[Noë]

Hi all!! :teeth:
@ JailHouseRock2; thanks so much!
@ Marlisa; Thanks! Might be a nice idea to do a watercolour study of that painting yes :scribbly: I'm supposed to experiment a lot for school though, so I think I should go over the top with it haha collage or mixed media or something, or else they'll say again that I didn't put enough effort into experimenting :P Oh! I'll e-mail you about the weekend ^^
@ Sean; Thanks man! That's a lot of encouragement :D means a lot.. :teeth Miss you too sweetiepie :P I read back a little on the first page of this sketchbook, and my English definitely did get better since then :) Though quality may vary depending on the time of the day.. Currently at 7 AM it isn't so good lol. About inserting images into your post (and writing between it), I recently explained this to Marlisa, so I'll just quote myself from there ^^
How to put your attachments in your posts is a bit hidden indeed :) after you uploaded your attachments, you have to click on the little paperclip icon above the writing area (it's next to the fonts, sizes and smiley).. Then you get a dropdown menu of all the images you have attached, and when you click one, that puts it in your post. Usually with posts with lots of images it's easier to click "insert all", which inserts every image into your posts immediately. You can still write between the images, and use "preview post" to see if everything looks correct. Also another tip for uploading attachments: to avoid to have to fill in each dropdown menu and the copyright information each time you upload an image: Just fill in the information, upload the first image, then after that is done you hit the backspace, or right click -> back, and you go back to the previous screen with all the filled in information. Then you click browse and pick the next file you want to upload, and it uploads with the already filled in information.. Saves a lot of time!!
@ crimsoneye; hiya! :) thanks
@ `ej; Wow that's so cool! But then again if I'd study Illustration there I wouldn't get an atelier at all, so I guess I'm better off at Illustration at the HKU :) I'll certainly come by sometime when you have your own atelier space! I'm in year one for Illustration.. I have evaluations this week so I'm kinda nervous :/
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a bit of sketchyness
I've been busy with non-sketching stuff, like collecting different fonts and crazy characters, and I've been sewing a blow up font character (literally), which I'm now trying to keep from deflating in 15 minutes (grrr :P) Will post pictures soon when those are finished or in a better stadium.. Also I'm trying to find time to make two illustrations in between and bind a book with pictures of me.. I really do three times the amount of work I usually do in evaluation week.. Bad huh?

These are all train sketches:

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Hopefully I have some more to show soon.. I'll take some pictures from stuff I have still lying around at school and all.

love
Marleen.

[Marlisa]

Aahw you cutie! You put me in your signature! :D
I just noticed when I clicked on the link to your SB :). I'm going to link you too, but I don't know much people here, so you're going to be very lonely in my signature haha.

The train sketches look nice. Are they from ref or from mind? (i'm asking because I tried to sketch myself a week ago from mind, but it was soo hard!)
I like the skeleton that you can see through his skin in the first sketch (you know what I mean). That's exactly how we're supposed to observe the animals at the Zoo... but that's actually really hard in real life whaha :P.

Knufs!

P.S; I think I'm developping a new forum addiction... -_-'

[Noë]

Just a little extra from this evening.. Then: sleep :teeth: I love sleeping :lineart:

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These next few sketches should have been finished two weeks ago ^^ but I'm doing the work of 3 weeks in two days so tomorrow we'll see the final product haha :P
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Love,
Marleen.

[Noë]

little update ^^


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This was an assignment, done a few weeks ago: we had to collect 12 objects that we thought associated with a certain word (mine was self-confidence). Then we had to create black silhouettes out of these objects and make a composition of these silhouettes.

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"finished" work after the last sketch from last update.. Not too happy about it.. It's a bit ehm boring I think ^^

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this is less boring, but reads less good.. And is still not finished, plus the hair is kinda flat.

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this is the inflatable A (Font: Goudy Sans) that I've been working on for Typography (about 15 hours I think, not including sketches, little models etc. But it was a lot of fun to make!!).. We had to make a big 3D font character in a material that suited the it. Then we had to take pictures of it. I'll take some new pictures soon, this one was taken pretty quickly the evening before evaluation. So I'll take some better pictures soon. I taped all the seams with see through plastic tape, and it doesn't deflate as quickly anymore :).

Now I'm back to the regular fun studies :D expect a newish update tomorrow :teeth:
Love
Marleen.

[hp]

awesome inflatable! :D and cute kitty ^^

[Marlisa]

Wooh... that's a really cool A! :D Must be difficult to make.. (I don't know, I have a love/hate-affaire with sewing machines -_-')
I liked the light in this one;
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.. and I'm sure it would make;
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that one a lot more ehm... don't know the english word.
Well... more interesting :^^:.
Ofcourse i don't know what the assignment is, so I can't really tell.

Knufs!
Marlisa

(vergeet niet op mijn mail te reageren, haha :P)

[IanE]

Hello, Marleen! Wonderful work through all these pages since the last time I dropped by...

Give some more time to your rendering. You're quite close to an aesthetic breakthrough, you just need to devote some more time to a piece and smooth out those values!

Good luck :)

[Brun]

Great studies, and interesting use of colours.

Keep up the hard work u have potential :)

[Noë]

@ hp; Thanksss!
@ Marlisa; hmm you're right, the light in the sketch is better ^^ Maybe I should pay more attention to why a sketch is working, before making it on a larger scale.
@ IanE; thanks :scribble:! Close to an aesthetic breakthrough? That sounds pretty cool ;) will take your advice.. I guess I could take some more time rendering my train sketches :lineart:
@ Brun; thanks for the encouragement !!
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Updateeeeeeee :P

I've been busy drawing hands, lots of 'em, because that's a homework assignment (which I actually really really like because I love practicing hand drawing)
So here are some hands, and other sketches:

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These last two were sketches for something where we have to make an image out of text.. not my kind of thing, but I'll try better later this week.

Love,
Marleen.

[erik-jan v/d schuur]

hey there!

how did the evaluations go? i got mine end of may :blah:
nice updates!! nice lose hands

and i really!! like, the black silhouettes.

[JellevdVegt]

hey noë, nice updates. love the confidence thing. but i have some crits:

when i look at your sketches, you want to give it more depth by rendering it some, but alot of your pencil strokes look a bit 'guessed' to me. 'that side is abit shadow-ish' kind of thing... you know what i mean? :)

i know this problem and i really started to 'know' where shadows should be more when i saw this picture in a book. if you know these really simple rules, it makes drawing a complex thing a lot more simple if you break it down to these basic principles.for example, some of the hand drawings you made in post#801, its very complex to draw. It contains a lot of information about form. but if you can look at it in a very fundamental level, you stop losing yourself in details. knowing these rules also allows you to interpretate things more spacial, for example, this thumb sticks out forward, so that thumb casts a shadow on the other parts.

hope i made any sense at all :P

anyways.. these are the basic rules i was talking about. Its from the book i bought for ID. Its from my teacher koos eissen, he is the king.
hope you can get something out of it. see ya!
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[Noë]

Hi guys :) thanks for the replies, will reply to you later, have to get going now.. Sleepy time! ^^
I have lots to photograph from lifedrawing and other big things, gotta fixate the charcoal drawings first though, so that might come later this week :)

Love
Marleen.

[Marlisa]

Hey Marleen,

The handstudies look good! Nice lines, I like the first one the most :^^:
Goed van je gevonden, dat laatste woord-mannetje :) ziet er goed uit.
Kan niet echt iets bedenken waar je wat aan hebt, haha sorry.

Knufs!

[Noë]

@ `ej; hello! ^^ evaluations were okay :) both a pass.. What do you mean with "the black silhouettes"? The hands right? Or maybe the underwear thing ^^ :P
@ Teh_Gosu; hiya! ^^ thanks for dropping by! The problem with shading is I think that in our school assignments we need to draw quickly, so I don't pay attention to shading much.. But it is something that I can pay extra attention to in my personal sketches ofcourse ^^ :) thanks for bringing it under my attention. :) Also the ID sketches are really handy ^^ Having fun at school? :teeth:
@ Marlisa; thanks for stopping by! Glad you like the final self confidence person most ^^ means I took good decisions yeah! :P
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Update again
I don't have much time again, so I won't go explaining everything, as I maybe should.. I might do that later today.
I'll just attach these images now, not in chronological order, so you can just see them haha ^^
It's mostly lifedrawing, where we had to keep the charcoal on the paper, and capture movement of the model, but also some other stuffs ^^


Love,
Marleen.

[Marlisa]

Aah, that one is sweeeet!! :D http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=639919&stc=1&d=1239092975
Captured the movement really well!

[erik-jan v/d schuur]

aww well its a bit late now but i just wanted to reply
just quiclky :P

yea i meant the underwear the microphone and boots silhouettes
XD

but what i was thinkin would be cool to see a character like in that style
cause u do illustration right? so its time for a character! XD
i also have no idea how u made that thing can u explain please?

and ehh you always make alot of things and then iam like damn iam lazy
and then im going to work whaha so thats keeps me going :sungod:

doeiz

[JellevdVegt]

its a shame they only do short poses... i recognize that from an art school i did for a little while, all 2minute poses... i didnt progress at all in the time i did those classes because i made the same mistakes over and over... to understand form at a certain point, its really good to be slow...

but enough about that.. yeah school is really cool but i dont have much time for drawing anymore :P druk druk :)

cheers

[Noë]

@ Marlisa; thank you ^^
@ `ej; wow haha :) thanks.. Glad to be the reason you work harder.. :S I feel pretty lazy myself most of the time though.. :/ The silhouettes were cut out of shiny black paper, and glued to a nice white paper. For the silhouettes I made photos of every object first, and then I drew the objects from mirrored photos on the back of the shiny black paper. Then I cut them out and made a composition.
@ Teh_Gosu; We don't only do very short poses :) we vary from 2 to 30 minutes I think.. :) last lesson the longest pose we did was 5 indeed, but it varies. I think there is still a lot to learn from short poses as well, but I'll have to keep critical yes, so thanks for that ^^
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update
me and Marlisa had a drawing weekend :D and we also took lots of beautiful pictures ^^
So here are some sketches from our little weekend. I think we should do this more often ^^

Some drawings from Marlisa (didn't get the likeness though):

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flower :sungod:
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Sketches for school: I have to make an illlustration for print (two colours), about showering. Eventually we'll make a book with our class. Here are sketches for my illo.. Input please!! I'll have some rough test prints thursday.

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.. and some feet (the feet are property of Marlisa :P)

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Love,
Marleen.

[aph]

You've got so much better since I last checked your stuff out! Good job!

[Noë]

@ aph; thanks :) always nice to hear that ^^
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animals!; went to the zoo with Marlisa, we drew animals for a few hours, lots of movement :)

sketchbook sketches from mind:
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face from mind and two reffed hogarth sketches, and one hogarth from mind
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here start the animals!
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(don't you love the last giraffe as well? :) :teeth: :scribble:)



Love,
Marleen

[Marlisa]

You can see that you love the giraffes the most :^^: They are beautiful!
Love it :).

Knufs!


P.S.; don't you think the drawings always look better when you see them a few hours later again? Especially on photo?
I think i do, the 1 sec. monkey gestures are lookin better now!

[MeZergy]

Those giraffes are amazing!! :) I like the elephants too. Did you do those with an bamboo brush?

[LostFayth]

I see someone went to the zoo :D Great sketches of the animals ^^".

[Noë]

@ Marlisa; hey girl! I'll take the time to comment in your sketchbook soon, promise ^^ thanks for the frequent comments :teeth:. I have the same thing with drawings looking better after a while. Also when you enlarge or shrink them a little it sometimes makes a difference :S But mostly I tend to think my work is worse than it is.. Which is kinda nice when looking back I guess ^^
@ MeZergy; Hiya and thanks! ^_^ The elephants were done with a cotton wool stick and ink, never tried that before, Marlisa put me up to it ^^ it's kinda nice, and cheap haha.
@ Lostlimeturtle; heya! Another dutchie eh!? Do you know about the regular Dutch sketchmeets? (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=21947&page=80) ^^ Oh and thanks ^^
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non-school stuff while I was supposed to be doing school stuff (shit! now I'm really pressed for time)

This was all ink, no pencil sketches beforehand, wanted to try out working with only black and white.. I kinda really like this actually ^^
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the scanner cut some skull sides off.. :( will photograph it tomorrow for full skulls

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my doodle page (100 x 70) lying on my drawing table, all ink

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This one actually was for school (but not done today so it doesn't count..), it's a woodcutting (from mind), didn't use reference, and only a little sketching.. Learned a ton about woodcutting though. Soon I'll have my final sketch and start on the woodcutting that I'm actually going to print in two colours (greyish blue and transparant orange).

Love,
Marleen.

[Marlisa]

Those ink thingies are nicccceee!
The shower project is going to turn out beautifully, I can feel it :P!

[sleep]

workin' hard, lookin' good
wheres the digi gone? mwah XXX

[lefran]

the inks of you dancing look nice, also really like the giraffes!

[Noë]

Hello all,

Here's just a bit of what I dug up yesterday.. There's more but some of it is at school and just not photographed yet.
This is just an idea of what I've been up to I guess :)
Not much time, will reply to comments later :)

Love
Marleen.

[Marlisa]

Wauw... I LOVELOVELOVE your mothers portrait :O!
The sketchy lines, the colours, the way it's not finished yet... beautiful!!

Edit; why is that sketch of me Ehm? I think it looks like me :) so that's good haha.

[Noë]

Thanks Marlisa,
I rather like it too, but am afraid to continue on it because I'm afraid to ruin it.. :P
gotta get over it..

just another quick update, sorry :)
need sleeeep ;)
Love
Marleen.

[Taj]

i miss your painting.

[Noë]

some replies to the comments from two posts back:
@ Marlisa; thanks! I think the project did turn out beautifully :)
@ Sean; Hmm you're right, much more traditional. I feel that traditional paint is way more easy to handle than digital.... :S dunno why.
@ lefran; thanks sweetie ^^ gotta see in your sketchbook again now ^^ love how your art is evolving :teeth:
@ Taj; I don't really get what you're trying to say and accomplish with this comment..?
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small update while I've been quite busy ^^
I'll take some more pictures of non-sketch stuff maybe, which might show you what I've been doing. ^^ but meanwhile, enjoy the finished prints for the shower project (It will be part of a book made by our illustration class)

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text on the other side of the page (lead letters)

Also: I painted the first layer of the sketch I showed earlier.. rather like it, but it needs more work. Took ages to dry as well.. :S still not completely dry.

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Love
Marleen

[Marlisa]

Dude... you totally inspired me with this latest thing :heart:

hugles!
Marlisa

[Taj]

just saying you should post more paintings, and hoping to accomplish you posting more digital paintings.

[JellevdVegt]

hey marleen, i realy like the last one. the gesture really tells that she's in trouble or something. cool! and the 'spet, spat, druppel' piece is actually very original imo! i really like that!

are you going to the workshop in germany btw?

cya!

[DoubleThink]

These hand sketches & movement sketches look great!

Mooie lijnkwaliteit ;-)

Groetjes uit België

Keep at it ;)

[Noë]

@ Marlisa; aw! Thanks!
@ Taj; ah ok ^_^ but for me to post them I first have to make them.. Maybe in two weeks (when I have vacation :)) it will happen. I want to digi paint agian too :)
@ Teh_Gosu; Hiya! Thank you for your nice comments ^^, Yes I plan to go to the workshop in Germany, already asked for time off on my summerjob, and added extra weeks to the summerjob so I can actually pay for the workshop haha! :teeth: I'm really looking forward to it.
@ DoubleThink; Hiya! another dutch speaking person, yay! Thanks for your comments :) very encouraging.

update: mostly self made books, and also one new drawing, and a few crappy studies.

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Love,
Marleen.

[ajvenema]

nice school-finishing update!
are you nervous already?:)
im pretty satisfied, and think it will be ok, but still...:)

[erik-jan v/d schuur]

wow nice books !!
I think you will be ok when i see al this!

succes met alles.
Laters! xD

[walnut]

Those books are cool, and i like those funky zoo sketches too, and all the inked stuff. It shows that you like working with ink. The nicest bit about this SB (well i'm just checking the last page) is that you're trying out loads of different things, so don't stop doing that.

[Noë]

:scribble:Hi CA people ^_^,

I just want to update to say that I didn't make the last evaluation.. My Illustrations didn't communicate enough and I didn't have enough own style in my Illustration works (works for other classes were fine).
I must say I'm a little sad and dissapointed (Marlisa I totally know how you felt with the bad evaluations now! I cried too :scribble: )...
But I'll have to do some extra assignments for Illustration and I'll be able to do a retry in August...
I just hope my hardest that this retry doesn't fall in the days of the CA Europe workshop. The other subjects beside Illustration were good, but since Illustration is my biggest subject I need that to be good to pass to the next year.

So that's that for the update on my evaluation, just wanted to let you know.
Expect a real art update in about 3 days :)

Love,
Marleen.

[ajvenema]

i'm sure you are going to make it! it felt really unfair they didnt let you pass, but then again, im sure you'll make them let you pass in august! try to get up again, and show them how wrong they were;)

[Marlisa]

Aahw Marleentje! I feel a bit sad too now, because as you said; I know the feeling :( that sucks big time!

You work so hard... I don't understand why you didn't pass it. But then again; I don't understand it either when this happens to me or to a classmate, because I think everyone works hard.
When I see what you've been making at school, and at home in your 'freetime', your work totally has a Marleen-feeling.
I guess the teachers don't know enough work of you, because I could pick 'a Marleen' out of a collection of 100 works from other artists (this is a compliment, haha. It's hard to convert it from dutch to english ;) ).


You probably don't like your school right now, (I feel the same about mine)... but when they see that you've worked really hard (again) for august, they have to get more sympathy for you. That will result definately in higher grades. :)

And IF they are insane and don't let you pass again, you are so talented that you definately could make it on your own, or find another study that's better for you :) (my cousin was at HKU too, didn't like it either, stopped in her 3rd year... ;) ). But that's worst case scenario, you must forget this and only read this if you don't pass it.

Dikke verpletterende knuffel!
Marlisa

Edit; oh I see I haven't commented the amazing gorgeous tree! It's freakin' awesome! :D

[erik-jan v/d schuur]

awww i didnt expect this... i think you work is
verry free and you experiment alot i really like you portraits studies
and all the crazy funn sketches,

you work soo hard i reaally hope you get it, you deserve it!!

i dont know if you do this already but
try to talk alot with the teachers let them give crits so you can learn
from that and improve your work, show them your work alot to

what works for me is also to show a process of a piece from start to finish
they always like to see that.

i hope this helps a bit for you, wish you all the best

liefs
Erik-Jan.

[Noë]

Hi peeps ^_^
Here I am again then :)
@ walnut; thanks, I certainly will..
@ ajvenema; thanks :lineart: I'll keep that in mind.. The uncertainty makes me a bit nervous though, but I'll make it.
@ Marlisa; thanks so much! made me feel much better! Thanks for all the compliments sweetie :teeth:
@ `ej; heya :scribble:, thanks for your advice, I will get my assignments for the retry soon, and I think that I'll ask for a meeting with my illustration teacher to discuss my early sketches, so that I know a bit more certain that I'm not going down the wrong lane with it ^^. I already knew about the process, but forgot it a while.. I think it will be a good idea to keep track of my process and put it in a book or something like that :) thanks for reminding!
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small update :)
I'm still busy producing a book with our school class, but I'm free to draw on mornings and evenings :)
Yesterday I cleaned up my space (it was a BIG mess) and started some posemaniacs, today I did some more posemaniacs, went to school and decided to try a digi.. Which doesn't seem to work for me as traditional paint does... :S but whatever, I'll keep trying.. I dislike the feel of the digital sketch though, it kinda lacks personality and feeling. (but ofcourse I love the person I tried to sketch -> Marlisa haha :teeth:)

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(I tried to emphasise structure instead of lines with these poses.. Seems like a better way to learn)

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Love,
Marleen.

[Jamie Romoser]

keep up the hard work :sungod:
-Omerta

[Noë]

@ OmertA; thanks! :lineart:
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today so far:
I've decided it's really time for me to be able to draw the human body from mind.. I know this is a big thing to accomplish and I'm far from it, but here are my studies so far today to try to accomplish this. If you know any excercises that will help me with this; please reply!

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I can finally spend the whole day drawing, so that's what I intend to do ^^ (besides some cooking and housework) expect more this evening.
Love,
Marleen.

[purb36]

hey 'leen, you are sure superproductive!

one thing that might help with digital, try painting in all the darks first, and then paint in the light. on the face, it looks like it "lacks personality" because the front plane of the face is all the same flat color, and it looks like you blended it in with a dark thing but there is no color variation in the front, no form because there's no value change. try painting/blocking in all in dark colors, and then paint in the light areas over it. it'll be a much better mix, and the form will look better. personality also must come from expression...you can't give the person a blank expression and expect it to have personality. study facial expressions, features, things like that, and try to incorporate that into your stuff. i'll elaborate later if you want. hope this helps. :)

[Marlisa]

... I dislike the feel of the digital sketch though, it kinda lacks personality and feeling. (but ofcourse I love the person I tried to sketch -> Marlisa haha :teeth:)

Haha :P Well I think it's a good start :) I hope you want to finish it, because I would love to see how you work this out. :)

The posemaniacs look good, I'm doing some of them too now, + some characterdesign photo refs.
I think it's really good that you try to draw anatomy from your head, I should do that too so I can see on what I have to work more (blagh, i don't know why but I think my brain is overheated... all my english doesn't make any sense i.m.o.)

Good to see that you're working so hard on other stuff now you have the time for it :).

Knuffs!

Edit: I also would love to see some anatomy studies who are more worked out, more fleshy if you know what I mean :) I'm curious how you would do that (I do that all the time, I actually should be focussing at the lines though :P )

[Noë]

@ purb36; Hey thanks! :scribble:, I read your advice as I had just started a new digi.. So I tried to use it.. I think it helped ^^ Will keep your advice in mind!
@ Marlisa; Hiya! Thanks girl! I'll have another try at your portrait today.. It might work better after a day rest ^^. Also the anatomy studies sound like a good idea. I'll do some more shaded ones :) See how that works out ^^ Nice that you're working on the same that I'm working on haha! (I've been doing the posemaniacs and characterdesign poses as well today)
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yay! 2nd update.. I'm just a bit addicted to updating I guess. Maybe I should reserve it to one update per day :P

The second digi: I think it's a lot better than the previous one.. Still WIP.
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And some more poses, and multi limb figure from mind: (got the idea from Algenpfleger and Janaschi (though theirs are ofcourse so much better :))
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I try to keep focusing on learning stuff, but sometimes I just draw what I see without thinking.. I try not to, it just happens.

Love,
Marleen

[Noë]

I got the assignment for my retry for school (which decides if I get kicked out or not)... It basically says: "Do all the assignments for the subjects 'Illustration' and 'Research' from the past half year again. Expand your image vocabulary, deepen the research, and surpass the clichés."
I dislike the assignment because we have to do everything all over again with no change, except that we just need to do it better.
For all our illustration assignments the past half year we were given one character feature with which to work, mine being "self-confident". I really disliked the character feature to begin with and that showed in my work, but now I have to immerse myself in it again, and do 10 times better.
I know I will do it, but I just look up to it because I remember sitting at my drawing table for hours being fed up with the assignments and nothing useful coming out of my head for the assignment, and I see it happening all over again.

But now, end of the rant and start of the last updat for the day:
from now on I'll update once a day ^_^

I went out in the backyard today to sit in the sun, and decided to do a selfportrait. After half an hour my skin was turning red and my eyes hurt from the sun so I went back inside again, but it was nice, and here's my SP :P
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I also did some more posemaniacs, mainly to get my mind cleared because I just received the e-mail with the assignment and I felt a bit down
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Also I went back to Marlisa's portrait, sorry about the lips dear, I guess I'll have to do some lip studies ;), it's still a WIP, but getting better I think :)
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Love,
Marleen.

[ajvenema]

yoyo! funny to see so many updates now that school is over:) love the blind posemaniacs, theyre so much fun to do dont you think?
bummer that the re-assignment is doing it all over again. they are so NOT creative:D
if i can give you an advice it would be, go far far away from what youve done already. not only because they didnt like that, but so that you dont get the feeling you've been there before! and of course dont hestitate to throw in some experiment, they'll probably more happy to see wonky anatomy in a good experiment then flawless anatomy. but you already knew all of that i guess...

i believe in you:)

[purb36]

hey, 'leen! do you have any bridgman books? i personally HIGHLY recommend him for learning how to draw from your head. the ones i personally like best from him are Life Drawing, Human Machine, Constructive Anatomy. and maybe the 100 Hands thrown in for good measure. all of these were really cheap for me to buy (like, $7 or less...i don't know how they would be in the Netherlands though... :shrug: ), and they contain TOOOOOONS of information, not just of muscles and bones, but of overall form and 3d-ness as well. as for exercises and things to study, i would recommend doing parts in isolation, and working overall gesture as well, and then as you get confident with parts start incorporating larger systems of parts until you eventually get to drawing the whole body (for example: lower leg->upper leg->foot->whole leg, and so on). get to know the shapes of the parts from all different angles, and then do lots of imagination drawings of them from different angles, and when you have a person in a certain pose, you will be able to do more detailed things because you have done the parts in similar positions before, and you use your memory to draw out the right look of the parts.

one big thing to notice and remember is that every little shift of a body part affects the whole body. so even lifting up your arm from straight down to straight up affects your shoulder level, which affects the torso, which affects the hips and their level, which affects the stance and balance all the way down to the toes. so you reeeally have to analyze and think about it when you make up poses. it may sound complicated, but the more you do the more this will come natural to you, so that there's less "thinking" involved. this is one reason i would discourage whole body multiple limb things, because it totally leaves out the change in the torso that happens when limbs change position, and i think that ignores the rhythm of the body and the sense of balance, which hurts the realism of the pose. but, i'm no sketch cop, you can practice whatever you want. this is all things i would recommend, and you can and will make your own decisions about what to do. :) i also recommend, if you can find a copy of it, Gottfried Bammes books (Der Nackte Mensch, and actually, if you can find it, though it's expensive, Gestalt des Menschen (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1665584), or something like that). he does a TON with motion and analyzing the figure, like how moving certain parts affect the rest of the body. so i would TOOOOOTALLY recommend his stuff as well. :)

the newest digi is looking really good, and muuuuuch better, so awesome points on that! i think that i wasn't really good at communicating what i meant regarding dark and light (i was heading out for work this morning, so i was rushing...sry :bashful: ). what i had meant to say was, not just placing the darks first, but blocking the whole object in in a sort of dark tone (whatever color it should be), and then working lighter and lighter until you get to the lightest part of the painting. this is just something i recommend trying as a way to get form down better. in traditional drawing, it's pretty much the opposite most of the time: you draw in lightly, start working in your lights and then slowly layer until you get to the darks, and then pull back the reflected light and the highlights (if you erase). so this is similar, but just starting from the other way around. this would be similar to working in oils (or something like that...not really sure cause i rarely use real paint, but i think this way translates well to real paint...at least, it did the last time i used real paint...), doing an underpainting and then painting on top of that so that there's some underneath color getting through, and it seems to blend better for me, but that's just me...i'm not so good at painting yet. to better illustrate (a looooooot better ;) ), here's a really helpful tutorial from the man himself, Jason Manley, talking about a traditional approach to creating digital art (http://www.gfxartist.com/features/tutorials/7714).

i hope this all helps. i love seeing how hard you work, and how much you've improved. so be encouraged. keep it up dude, we support you!!!

[Noë]

@ ajvenemap; I know, it's a bit strange, but it feels so much freeër to draw now, I actually draw much much more than when I was in school :S Better keep this up on my asisgnment as well haha :teeth: I loved the blind posemaniacs as well, 30 seconds seem like so much more time when you don't look at the paper! I'm turning these blind ones into my daily thing as well, hand eye coördination improvement +1 :P. Thanks for the advice on the assignment. I'll definitely try to go far away from my first ideas :lineart:
@ purb36; hiya! Wow that is one damn long post dude! Thanks so much! I really wish I could thank you thrice for that post haha ^_^. I actually do have the big Bridgeman book (complete guide to drawing from life), which contains most of the smaller books, I don't know why I didn't start doing studies from it earlier, I guess I just though to leave it for later :S, thanks for reminding! I don't think I have money for the other books you mentioned though (saving up for workshop and college tuition haha, dunno which one is more important :P). But anyways, I read your post a few times and it really helps, so thanks for that. I'll certainly keep your recommendations in mind, you make a lot of good points.
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update! ^^; So I had some appointments today but they didn't take very long and I got quite a bit of drawing in again for the hours I had :) *feels quite pleased with herself*.
I told myself I'll start the school assignments on monday, so I have this weekend free for my own stuff, feels rather freeing :lineart:. Now I'll just have to make sure not to keep postponing it haha!

Todays sketches: the gestures, Bridgeman foot studies (really helped!) and a bad SP :P
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Aaand I did some 15 minute digitals from photo.. I honestly didn't know I could work this quickly!
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See you tomorrow :teeth:
Marleen.

[ghoulio]

Great studies, just found out about those Sketchmeets(yep, livin in a cave)
I always wanted to do artschool, for good foundations etc. well it didn´t happen.

I´m basically selfthaught and it would be nice if some of you could check my SB and give me some tips or shout at me...

For now...keep drawingggg

Cya

[Marlisa]

Hey chick!
Those last ones look very loose with pretty confident lines, that's good!
The digi painting (of me) has the right colours and I think it starts to look like me! :) Cool
Oh and I don't know anything about digital painting, but the last 3 are very good (especially because you made them so quickly).
Flink doortekenen dit weekend ;) Ik ga ook even mn SB updaten.

X knuf!

[Noë]

@ ghoulio; hiya :lineart:, are you sure this post isn't supposed to be a reply to 'the netherlands' sketchmeets topic? But anyways, I'll stop by your sketchbook soon ^^
@ Marlisa; hi chicka :P! Thank you thank you :scribble:. There's really not much to know about digital painting: it's a lot easier to get a colour (no mixing involved haha), and you can try out stuff without risking messing everything up (there's the undo button), but the drawing and painting is just as hard (if not harder for me) as traditional painting, just less mess involved, and less time spent mixing paints. If you see a digi to crit on, just think of it as a traditional piece haha!
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update!;
The weekend is over.. :( so I'll have to start the school assignment tomorrow, but for now there's this little update ^^ I could've done more, but since I saw today as my free time I'll try not to feel guilty for hanging around on the internets every once in a while haha, there's enough to feel guilty about already. :teeth:

The first digi took about an hour, and the other two 15 minutes
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my daily colour pencil sketches (if you're wondering what's up with the different colours: a different colour each day! ^_^)
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just started this this evening, a little less than an hour so far I think..
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reference here (http://conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2134845&postcount=8911) (Chaosrocks)

Love!
Marleen.

[Yngling]

Always inspiring to see someone work this hard. I think you deserve a better result from the werkschouw than the one they've given you now. I'll be watching your SB and maybe offer some 'helpful' critiques for the assignment. Just keep working and you'll get there.
A daily excercise like the posemaniacs thing seems to work wonderfully. Did the 30 sec gestures myself today and it isn't easy! You seem to capture much more in the given time.
So ehh, not much more to say for now, don't let it get to you and stay confident!

See you tomorrow.

[erik-jan v/d schuur]

hey meis!

if you dont know what to do, if you got no ideas..
then start with a background or something mess around a bit with paint
make something abstract, maybe during that you might get some ideas
or you find some color combinations that you like, wich you can use,
i know the feeling, but try to do something, or to find ideas look up other artist,
listen to music and look for things that might be usefull to you

groetjess!

ow yeh maybe you find this model sites handy, for face training and poses
i always use those when i need a face/pose or something :)

http://www.trafficmodels.com/site/main.php

http://www.elitemodels.com/

[sleep]

marleen, a crucial, possibly the most IMPORTANT part of figure drawing is getting the gesture and weight correct. i fear all that hard work going into ur posemaniacs studies may be being wasted. it would be much better to find photos of real people and in a few lines try to capture the gesture and areas of weight/tension in the body......without this, any figure drawing whether from observation or imagination will look weak. think to yourself: WHY am i doing this? convincing figures have two essential components: anatomy and gesture/weight/rhythm. posemaniacs, being only small 3d rendered figures, is not good for either, and i personally would only use it as reference while doing an actual illustration

it looks like u are putting in so much work, (putting me to shame ), but hard work is not alone enough to make you good. u need to know what u are trying to learn, and u should know how to approach it.

keep at it :} xxxxx

[Leonor]

That's what I call progress. I quickly browsed throughout and it was a treat to see. :)

Sorry, a comment of one of your commenters got me thinking, hope you don't mind I reply to him here:

it would be much better to find photos of real people and in a few lines try to capture the gesture and areas of weight/tension in the body

Don't you need to know about how people distribute weight and tension first? It seems hard to guess what is going on just by looking at a photo without the theory first. Also, if Posemaniacs is bad for these kind of studies, how is it good for reference for a finished picture?

[Jens]

Generally, in the stuff you're copying there, there is a lot more contrast in the photos than in your paintings. Like in the picture of Clo, if you want to bring out those teeth, you have to paint in the drop shadow the teeth are leaving on the tongue and also the two dark spots in the corners of her mouth. Her skin is a lot lighter (because of the over exposure). Same thing with the next image of the landscape. The foreground is a lot darker. If you're doing these exercices I'd suggest taking some more time getting everything more correct, focus on color, shapes, and edges, leave out the detail.
I've done a lot of these, they really help
http://jens.gorillaartfare.com/colorstudies1.jpg
http://jens.gorillaartfare.com/colorstudies2.jpg

[Marlisa]

That reminds me of something someone else said to me about the time I worked on it I always add that time into a post.
That got me thinkin..... Why do they do that anyways?
Maybe because they're pushed by other people to work as quickly as they can, so that you focus more on the main lines and stuff.
I guess they think you'll be a better artist as you work that way?
The lower the time you worked on it, the better artist you are?
*If you work some brilliant thing out in 30 mins, you are an amazing artist! But if you did that in 3 hours, you are not that great anymore, that's nothing exceptional*

Oke, it's just guessing, but maybe you have that in mind too; working quick is better. I know my teachers at school say that to me all the time, so that's how I think too.

When you have the time to work some piece out, I think it's waaay better to focus on the details, instead of the main gesture again. Because you (you = people who do that) already do that all the time. Do you know what I mean?
I notice this by myself too, it's no critique to you :^^:, just some brainstorming... I just hope you understand what I mean (could explain it in dutch :P )

X Marlisa

[sleep]

Don't you need to know about how people distribute weight and tension first? It seems hard to guess what is going on just by looking at a photo without the theory first. Also, if Posemaniacs is bad for these kind of studies, how is it good for reference for a finished picture?

of course, ur making a good point but i didn't even say that she shouldnt be looking at theory (and for the record marleen, bear that in mind).
im just of the opinion that posemaniacs is very limited. its good reference if u wanna know what a certain pose looks like from a certain angle especially with foreshortening. but u gota rememer the muscles and details are only textures on a simple 3d surface, u cant see how they overlap and intersect...which is a very important part of knowing how the body works. and being 3d models created by somebody else, studying mostly from them means u are potentially being limited by that artist's capabilities of rendering

rhythm/gesture/weight > anatomy. posemaniacs is good for anatomy but a common mistake students make around here is that they work on anatomy without realising that anatomy in a drawing should be there to reinforce gesture and weight, which are a lot more important in making a convincing character. a rhythmic figure with some anatomical abberations is a lot more enjoyable than an stiff but anatomically correct figure

my concern is just that, ive seen many people on this forum do countless posemaniacs or similar studies....ive done it myself. but often nothing is learned

[Leonor]

Thanks for explaining, sleep.
Can you recommend good books where I can learn the rhythm/gesture/weight ideas? Because I have no clue in theory what I should be looking for. When I was doing the Loomis manikin I didn't see the weight distribution as he was seeing it. My understanding of human physics is rather lacking.

(Sorry for the side conversation, Noë)

[JailHouseRock2]

Damn nice pose work, love the studies too!

In fact your figures are getting really good. Great flow and still solid, awesome job!

The digi stuffs looking great to, those photo studies are going to help heaps!

Keep at it Marleen:P
matt

[sleep]

leonor:the side conversation can be excused cos its for marleens benefit as well as yours...(and we're bumping her thread.) ive only recently realised the importance of weight and gesture despite having been a confident life drawing skills for years, which is why im emphasizing it so much. it was like the missing link

as far as books go, who needs em? this helped me a lot: http://analyticalfiguresp08.blogspot.com/2008/03/week-2-silhouette-design-demo.html
a big part of it was also just looking at drawings that worked, and using my own body for reference. maybe get a few ref photos and draw a line through each one vertically to get urself used to the concept of a center of gravity. the key to human physics is that there are none....treat a human like u would a vase. if one side is much bigger than the other, it'll fall over (or itll be lopsided and the legs will have to compensate for extra weight) if u raise one shoulder to the left and forward, the other one will go to the right and backward. the human body always balances itself out, its a perfect machine

[JellevdVegt]

hey marleen, i think the color in you last piece is super awesome!! totally improvement!
and the piece of the reflection of the can is also awesome!
cheers!

[vardoburrito]

oh my goodness [This is a lot of pages. :teeth:]
I dig the pencils, and all the characters so far.
I'mma have to coffee break you for 3 days or something. ha!

[Neo.]

I love the idea of your daily colour sketches, I almost looked through your entire thread and I must say you have talent. Amazing works, can't wait to see what you come out with next.

[johanson]

Looking good. The feet studies really stand out from this bunch. Nice and solid.

[ajvenema]

:overhere:where are the updates?:overhere:
i hope you're on holidays cuz otherwise this is unacceptable:)

[Noë]

That's funny :) unacceptable :P Earlier I went for months without updating, and now 3 weeks is unacceptable haha.

But anyways I'm taking a break from CA, I'll update when there's something useful to post.
Meanwhile I'm busy working for money and working for my school assignments, oh and housework and cooking because I seem to be the only one to do that around this house sometimes :S
Also I'll be staying with my parents for a few weeks to use my mum's atelier soon, so it'll be a while ^^ :)

Love
Marleen.
Enjoy the vacation for those who do have one.

[ajvenema]

haha, probably im just bored and checking out sketchbooks too much:)
good luck with all those things uve got to do, enjoy, and hope you'll make a lot of useful stuff!

[Marlisa]

Nothing useful to post? Well, that was the last time I posed for you haha :P
Good luck with your assignments! :)

[wi2rd]

hey noe.. thanks for that reply

I fully agree..
I slack far too much drawing from reference etc..
slowly doing more and more:)

you do great work here!
the only crit i would have for you is to try to work longer on your works..

Don't decide they are finished before every single line and shade is in balance with each other and nothing feels out of place.
to connect everything and make the piece as much 'ONE' as possible..

I think this is the effort about my work that attracts you and what you call awesomeness.
Anatomy and proportions, light etc are very very important to sell a realistic view of a subject.

But art in its core is much more abstract I feel.
When you manage to combine both you will have hit the goldmine I think..

an interesting side note is that if you manage to capture light and proportions etc etc to perfection.. balance will arise from this it seems.. but i find it very very hard to do so.. so instead I focus on making a nice picture that feels like the real thing. but use visual tricks to make it work... instead of following all the rules of realism.
but..
all roads lead to rome as they say..

keep it up!!
see you on the other side ^^

[crimsoneye]

Long time no see, I'm really digging the gesture drawing up above. It looks like your getting nice sense of movement in the lines and capturing them. I really have to start doing more studies like that. I agree with wi2d as well on working longer on stuff.

[Dromer]

jeez, what a big sketchbook is this. I saw a lot, and I only saw the last few pages. Sorry you have to do school over again.
Also another tip for good learning books next to Brigdman is Loomis (if you dont have him yet) Books can be found as pdf, because you can hardly buy them. He explains really alot in a very simple and easy to understand manner. (He really helped me with faces)
Oh yeah, and not to forget, you have a great divers sketchbook.

[Noë]

Wow! 20 replies since I've been gone for the summer huh! :)
I will reply to them, but not now (got a train to catch).

I just wanna say to all who didn't know already that I passed the retry exam.
I have some pictures in this post to show you what I made for it.

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Love,
Marleen.

[Noë]

I also scanned my sketchbook stuff yesterday.

This is everything from monday till now I think.

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Love
Marleen

[Marlisa]

Ey!

Those sketchie things are fun!
Crazy stuff :^^:

[Noë]

Hey!

I´m still quite busy and sorry to say that I´ll not be replying to the old comments.. But I read everything ofcourse and really appreciate it all!!! :teeth:

This is all I could find for now, there's much more still at school, waiting to be scanned or photographed..

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And here are some really crap photos of two 3D tryouts. I definitely dislike the clay head, but the bug is nice ^_^ I'll post some better photos soon hopefully..

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Now I'm going to start up another computer to upload some stuff that I saved there :P

Love!
Marleen.

[Noë]

Hello again :)

I tried to quickly scan in my recent sketches, but there is still more to show :P
I made no selection, just scanned every page. Also almost no image correction.

Here is everything:

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Love
Marleen.

[Marlisa]

Wow... awesome that you took the time to scan all of these!
The 3D bug in previous post looks like it's done with that horrible carton paper stuff? Well it looks cool :).

What's with all the Anna Karenina? :P
I don't know why but i love the last shirt :).

It's nice that you post here again :).

Liefs!

[Noë]

@ Marlisa: Hiya!! Yes the 3D bug is mostly from cardboard paper stuff, with some steel wire glued onto it :P The Anna Karenina stuff is for our typography assignment. It has to do with t-shirts: creating a t-shirt for the main person in the book you last read. And the title of the book should be text in the t-shirt. My book was "sword of truth" by Terry Goodkind (which is the t-shirt with all the wires, which you liked), and now I have to make a more commercial t-shirt for the book of a classmate (Aart Jan), who read Anna Karenina.. So that's what I'm still working on.

new stuffs; it's assesment time again, so for most subjects I have to put my work on a wall and have a quick talk about it with the teacher.
Here's my work for two subjects; first typography, then ABO (where I've been working with flowers on a copy machine, and cutting and glueing the result).. Oh and in between a few pictures of a sculpture for myself I've been playing with.. Still not too happy about that.
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Love,
Marleen

[hp]

ur design sense is getting ridiculously better. i love the flower stuff!!

[JailHouseRock2]

Oh wow Marleen, eveythings looking so very good:)!

The sculptures looking fantastic, is it done? how much farther do you have to go on it?

All your designs are great, really cool stuff, and it follows on into your sb too!
Yeah the sketches have improved too, liking the use of colour!

Keep posting Marleen,
All the best,
matt

[Noë]

@ hp; thanks so much! and here I was thinking that I wasn't improving :P
@ matt; thanks ^_^ I'm still not that into the sculpture, but I think I'll finish it, it just needs a little more paint and then It's done. Thanks for all the motivating compliments hehe :teeth:
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I'm just posting t-shirt designs now because that's what I'm currently working on (as in right now in photoshop). I'm going to actually print the best one for myself eventually, and wear it to my school assessments :)

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The print on the t-shirts is a real print, made at the bookprinting work area at school, with a letterpress, I edited the colours in photoshop though (the upside of digital editing). I have no idea how to make such a print digitally by the way :P

There is more to post, but since these are the end results so far, and I don't have much time, this is my only post.

Lots of love!
Marleen, (who has some love trouble :()

[Marlisa]

Ahw Marleentje! :(
*dikke knuffel* :hugsmile:

I like the first t-shirt the most in how it's placed on the t-shirt. But it looks like the second one has more depth to it...hard to explain :S.

Ga je nog een zelfportret maken vandaag? Of heb je het te druk :P?


X !
Marlisa

[paperX]

really digging all the design work marleen! your line work also looks more fluid and natural than before, keep working hard! (your school stuff look quite fun! I think i'd rather be in your course haha)

[Noë]

Hi People :teeth:
I got myself a pause in my studies (studiestop), and am going to take it slow this year to start the second year of illustration again next year. There's so much I want to do that I didn't have time for.
I recently moved to Utrecht to a nice student room, I started playing the piano again, I started working on my website making skills and just a few days ago I felt the need to draw a little something again, finally.. :scribble:

It's not much yet but there will be more. In one or two weeks I'll be going to my workspace at school again too :)

First of all; I went to a stopmotion animation workshop yesterday and had some fun. It's not supposed to be good or anything, was just cool to do ^^

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Also a few quick drawings:
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Well, that's it for now,
I'll be back soon I hope ^^

Love,
Marleen.

[B-Man]

I love Utrecht. only been there about tree times but its still beautiful. They also have a Swedish café. :D Not that thats important! Nice to see you postin again. Hope you feel more inspired to draw. :) take care!

[paperX]

oooh looove the stop motion, and yeah...it really can be hard to pick up drawing constantly after stopping for a while, try to keep it up! :)

[Noë]

@ B-Man; hehe cool! I'll be sure to check out this swedish café. And thanks :scribble:
@ paperX; hiya! Yeah, I'm taking it a little slow though, much to do, and I don't want to force myself to do anything at the moment ^^ but I'm sure the productiveness will return sometime soon.
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I've been moving my stuff, packing and unpacking boxes, putting together furniture, all that sort of stuff. Now I'm mostly unpacked in the new room, but I don't have a computer (or printer/scanner thing) yet, so that'll have to happen soon ^^. Next week is very busy for me (meeting some friends and working a few days) but if I have time left I might just squeeze in a bit of drawing, maybe an address change card is a good idea :P

-small updatesie, just quick things from the head from train rides (and yes, not drawing from ref makes me realize how much I suck at not drawing from reference :bashful:)

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your typical female face, since that might just be the only thing I can draw from mind (at easy angles)

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going off to the no-computer place tomorrow, so it might be a while ^^
byebye x
Marleen.

[Jamie Romoser]

hey Marleen you have a cool style progressing here :)
keep it up looking forward to seeing more of your findings
have a good one
till next time
-Jamie

[Noë]

Hey!
I instantly had an idea for the address change card, a little alice in wonderland thing :P so I drew a sketch

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if anyone feels up to it, a paintover for the arms especially (and legs, and everything else :P) would be greatly appreciated ^^
This is all from mind tho, I'll take some reference pictures soon.

bye!
Marleen.

[Noë]

aaand some more, getting back into sketching and enjoying it much more than before.


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Love
Marleen

[Slash]

I like the address change card, i think anyone who's ever lived in cramped spaces can relate! ;)

I did a little paintover (kind of went to town and wrecked your drawing, more like..)

I think the pose and the body language could be adjusted to get the idea across better. Outstretched arms make it seem more like there's lot of space, this is also empasized by the outstretched neck and straight back. The figure is also very flat, since you see everything straight on, there's no overlap, no action along the z axis.

So what i changed was arching the back a little more, lowering the head to come down in front of the shoulders, thus creating overlap and more sense of 3 dimentions. The lowered head also help show that the roof is low, by using body language. Hand was moved closer to the center of gravity to help support the weight of the head, and pointed forward to get more z axis action going on. Same with her leg, pointed it towards the camera, and pulled it a little up against her body, again to hint at the fact that there's not enough space to stretch her legs out. Same with the bent arm touching the ceiling, it helps sell the claustrophobic feeling, and get some action into the arm, straight arms tend to be boring.

Lastly i'd suggest cropping the composition more from the sides (thats what the red arrows were for :P) to further enhance the claustrophobic feel of the image.

I am of course making the assumption that i'm interpreting your idea about living in small conditions right. ^^ Shoot yourself some reference and everything i've mentioned should become clearer. And take what i said with a grain of salt, its just my opinions, not cold hard fact. ;)

Best of luck with the progress!

[Noë]

@ Slash!; hey thanks so much! really gotta work on that one soon.... people need to get my new adress too hihi ^^ Gonna take some ref pictures soon :P

update :) some figure drawing and typography stuff for a book I'm making for my mother (title is "vlinderbladeren").

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Marleen

[soros]

Nice SB and many mediums, you're using (sculpting, t-shirts, drawing...) Keep on posting. Very inspirational!

[Jushra]

Nice updates with the figures, Noë. I'd say focus on the wedging shapes more, as doing so will provide better forms on you drawings. Don't be afraid to just slam shapes in there, use it to see whats going on. The typography work is nice, I've never gotten into it myself, maybe someday.

[marcotronic]

Wow! Your posemaniacs studies are great! I guess I have to try some short pose drawings, too.

Marco

[Nianto]

wow, i were browsing through this sketchbook, and wow-i'm impressed.. you did a good job, haha - your life drawings are amazing, maybe you should spend more time in detail?, dunno :) - but i would love to see one

[Noë]

Hello everybody!
I have started a new sketchbook: --> Click Here (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=195421) <--
I just felt the need to start something new and fresh.

[raminafshari]

grate poses , good observation , i think if you try a little bit mixed hot and colors to your drawings should be nice i mean try to give them life with colors.