Post opinions on the locking of threads after DSG is done

[jerO]

I'm seeing a lot of really late posting of images in old DSGs.

I'd like to see the threads Lock like 5 hrs past the close of the topic.

I don't mean any offense, because i'm sure some of the people posting didn't realize what the DSG was, or just thought it was a cool topic, or whatever.

To me, part of the point of the exercise is the simultaneous painting and the 20 minutes you might spend solving problems before you draw anything.

I would like to have a new thread or something here or just in themed speed painting where people know they can post DSG-theme-inspired paintings that are also still quick.

Post your opinions here:
jerO

[seb]

makes good sense jero. let's see what davi says when he returns.

[JProvost]

I totally agree... DSG is all about the simultaneity (it's a word!), otherwise it'd just be daily themed speedpainting. The fun is seeing how people differently interpret the theme - rather than sourcing inspiration for a topic from other people's take on it.

[Frost]

I agree Jero. DSG is monitored and timed via IRC and image/thread posting, a great excercise in being productive under tight time constraints, and I think she be kept as such. Plus, it's a great deal of fun to do simulteaneously with other artists around the world.

[Neole]

Whats the point? This is not a competition that if someone edits and posts an improved version later its going to do any harm. Also, links might change due to change in server etc, in which case the images would show as missing images later.

[Clodhopper]

I think it should be left as is. There are enough "legitamate" images bein posted, why worry about the stragglers...also, sometimes I don't get back from work until after 9. I've posted some late ones; but on my honor, I've done them as legit as i can and I don't look at other's entries until after I post.

don't force people to sponteniety! ain't the more images the better?
more images and participation=more experience= better artists

[davi]

People like android, nivbed, and brasshorse don't have access to a computer at the choosen times but are still faithful to the dsg and it's timelimit. I haven't seen anyone post a late entry that looks like they spent hours on, most people are even saying with their posts that they are posting late. I cannot always do all the dsg's so i end up missing some, but sometimes the topics are so inspiring i want to try my hands at them myself...so i end up posting late, and to be honest... no one even looks besides like 10 people.

If it doesn't hurt you, I say ignore it.

[boehmke]

I dont think locking the post would be fair to the people who can't make it to DSG designated hours. I have been late with them the past week to be sure. But all due to things that I had to do in my real life (job interview, helping a friend move, late dinner with family-etc.) yet I still want to participate in this activitey and be part of this group. I am sure everyone here would make it right on time if they could. But seeing as how this is a open forum for people around the world I don't think it would be fair to close the topic due to lateness. Many things may come up in peoples lives before they can make to a internet forum.

I don't forsee many people working 14 hours on a piece here just to 'show up' everyone else. I believe most of us here are honest people. And think if someone were to do that...it would be obvious.

When I have been late I have never looked through all of the posts to get my inspiration. Your right that would ruin the exercise. I read the topic heading from the main board or I have gone into irc and asked someone what the topic was. I have even asked to be timed.

Maybe a lock after 24 hours would be fair. I usually don't see many posts a day after the topic has ran anyways.

just my 2 cents.

boehmke


Also just thought of this...if we lock the topic...does that stop people from being able to coment and critique on the work. That sounds counter productive to me on a site were people are trying to learn and get feedback to become better.

[Android]

Jero I see your point, I dissagree,
I want to see as much art as possible, by locking out the threads you are locking out the potential for more art and participation, personaly I dont even really like the time limit ,

[Minks]

I dont really think there is a -need- to lock the topics. I myself mostly dont participate in DSG's because it happens at 1PM AU time and im either eating lunch or working. I usually sit down later in the evening and fiddle with the subject but i dont bother posting them because its usually not till the next day that I scan them in.

Not everyone has internet access when the DSG is happening so by locking the thread you lock out those people who did it without a scanner around or internet access right then and there.

I know a few people on the irc channels dont have access to scanners till the next day and dont have a wacom.

Maybe you could just leave it till someone actually starts posting images that they have spent more time on than was originally set.

And if someone is doing that then they are kind of silly.

Just my 2c...

[Prometheus|ANJ]

I see no point to locking the threads, BUT when deadline is over the admin can post a note:

-DEADLINE ENDED HERE-

...and late ppl can post after that. I think it's only a good thing if people get to do more art.

For simultainious drawing to have a positive effect we need to be in the same room and crit each other as we go. It needs to be more interactive or it's not really simultainious (perhaps one could draw pseudo intellectual paralells to Shrödinger's cat here).

As dsg is now, no one really interacts while drawing, not like one could do in real life anyways. There's always OC, but it only takes 4 ppl in a room.

I just think's it's nice to get a new topic every day, and you don't have to look on the other ppl's images before you finished your's if you want a surprise.

That's my two Ören...

[jerO]

Originally posted by Android
personaly I dont even really like the time limit ,

When this first started, the whole point was the time limit.
But then again, that was when it was a sub-thread of Themed Speed Painting.

The thing that made it great for me as well was both the comradarie and pressure to produce something from scratch at the sound of the bell. Some were successful, some were not, but pretty much everyone posted what they had regardless.

If it's going to stay open-ended, then Davi, just keep the same topic for US and EU each day. No point in churning through topics twice as fast if people can just do them whenever they want anyway.

jerO

Edit: Prom... A "That's it.. Time's Up!" post at the end is a good solution. Then there's a mark at least.

[Frost]

I know I'll sound like a whiny bitch, but, whatever.

The whole idea behind having a DSG|EU was to have a DSG to accomodate European artists for that 1h30m creative sprint. There is no longer a purpose for DSG|EU if it's going to be a free for all like this. Sure, there's more art, but there's no discipline and no challenge, plus any number of people can now spend a great number of hours churning out concepts in their head before actually putting pen to paper so to speak. Real-time DSG assures this.

I honestly have to say this has taken all the fun out of the DSG experience for me. Sorry if you all think differently and think that I am whining, but, these are just my oppinions on the subject. Nothing more.

Good luck with it, whatever comes of it.

Cheers,
Frost

[davi]

I really don't see how people being inspired and posting later can take the fun out of the experience... why don't you just not look at the work later?

and i don't think that that allowing the threads not be block makes the EU pointless, like said before many users cannot make it to the dsg's on time, most people are picking between EU and DSG and sticking put to the timezones.

i will type more later.. this keyboard is driving me nuts...

[skarycory]

there shouldnt be a limit to the amount of cool ideas people are allowed to display here and honestly, there shouldnt be people complaining about other people posting their art.
this whole site is dedicated to showing as much art as possible for everyone else to see.
if anything, im sometimes bothered that more people didnt post, whether its late or not.
the DSG is a guide and an opportunity to post art, dont take the guidelines as a super strict set of rules that must be followed without exception. no nazis here.
its all about the art, the more the better.

cory

[Immortal Jacko]

Maybe people who post AFTER the DSG should put it in their post? Like "----- I MISSED THE DSG BUT REALLY LIKED THE TOPIC-----" ? I'm torn on this because i think that DSG is for art but also for the community to show up and chat and make fun of me and stuff. It's like an orgy, sure you can come later but whats the fun? :)

[davi]

android: if it didn't have a time limit it would end up being just like the themed speed painting section and would get dull. The reason DSG started was to make alittle community, we had one before but it really didn't have a reason.

[jerO]

there shouldnt be a limit to the amount of cool ideas people are allowed to display here and honestly, there shouldnt be people complaining about other people posting their art.


This isn't about people not being able to post art.
If you'll notice in my original message i also gave the suggestion of an alternate, appropriate posting thread.

What this boils down to is that many of the people who participated on time and under the gun feel let down that
their fervent efforts have less value when anyone can post a picture afterward, at their leisure, when inspiration strikes.

I'm only bringing up the whole thing because there are people who have felt strongly enough about it that they've stopped contributing.

I'm all for people posting as much art as they can. And if it's open-ended, then i'm with Android. Remove the time restriction and make it just another themed thread.

Right now, it's obvious that DSG means different things to different people. I just want it to be clear what it is, one way or another.

jerO

[mtomczek]

Personally I think this whole debate is completely silly. DSG is here to provide people with the opportunity to interact with each other, and create something within that given time period, under certain guidelines. This allows the individual to not only get direct feedback, but also help the ideation process by talking with the other people. The time limit helps to get you working on the idea as soon as possible, not necessarily caring about what comes out. This in turn gives you practice in rapidly getting your ideas out, and in time hopefully they become more clear, and crisp with practice. The time limit is here to challenge you. Now the fact that people are posting after the time limit, I dont see as a problem at all. Alot of those late comers have been coming into #sketch and i have been timing them. Theres been times at 2am where i have sat up just to time people. People have lifes outside of the computer, those who want to still do it should not be restricted. They should however kindly note that they were not present initially, and that they are posting late. Please dont bring the dsg down, there are those who put alot of effort forth to make this fun for all of us. Dont lose sight of what the DSG was set up to do....

Oh and one other thing, if they feel so strongly about it that they are not contributing, thats their problem because those of us that still are, are here for a reason

[Fozzybar]

I was ill for the last 3-4 days...and what must i see after coming back? A discussion about the dsg...

What's the matter at all?

- There is a section called MiddleClass. What would happen if every member enters the class?

- There is a speed painting section. What would happen if everyone posts art he finished in days?

- There is a creature thread. What would happen if we post buildings, vehicles and landscapes there?

- And NOW we have a DailySketchGroup. The limitations are drawing a sketch in 90 minutes within the starting and ending time of DSG or DSG/EU...WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE POSTS ART HE DID IN ANY TIME?


I say:
Just post your art wherever it matches regarding the rules. Because the answer to all the questions above is: There would be no thing like this any more, because it wouldn't make sense...

Frost and JerO already said, what the sense of the DSG was and still is and should be in future...


So, here a guideline for DSG-Latecomers:
1. You missed a good topic? Make your art...post it in the "none-themed" speed-painting-thread.
2. Your art took more than 90 minutes? Post it in the sketches- or finished-section!
3. Be in the chat next time when DSG starts.

[mtomczek]

I am sorry fozzy but i dont agree with you on this at all. Some people cant make it to irc, or some people cant even run it. I don think people should be restricted if they cant show up. As long as they stay within the hour and a half I see no reason they shouldnt be allowed to post. Lets keep this fun guys........ is it really that difficult

[Prometheus|ANJ]

I think dsg should be 24hrs instead of 90 mins. Everyone could post on a given hour in case you ppl think it's unfair that you can get ideas of the other ppl's images.

Arguements:

This way you can work when you want. It's not often you got time when dsg is running. Also, more people get a chance to participate.

EU and US ppl can work on the same thing.

A real deadline is never 90 minutes, you simply work on a picture until you're happy with it. If it's 20 mins or 3 hrs is not relevant to the viewer really. Besides, people draw with different styles and speeds.

People can join the chat to get crits, rather than not having time to chat cuz they only got 90 minutes. This feedback plus the extra time will increase picture quality.

Stress is not healthy.

[krAtul]

I'm with Prom on this

#k

[Prometheus|ANJ]

Might wanna rename it to fun-painting rather than speed-painting too.

[davi]

There's no way I'm changing this to a 24hour sketch group... It would turn into the same thing as the THEMED SPEED PAINTING section, people would be intersted at first and then just go off and do other things.

What makes dsg great is the community, everyone working at once and sharing and having the time limit.

[Fozzybar]

davi is absolutely right!