ALL MEMBERS PLS. REPLY! Want to be MADE into Concept Artists!

[kmaiquez004]

Im a new member to ConceptArt.Org, well actually a new artist. I'm a starving artist who needs answers because I want to become a good artist and I know that the only way to get their is to just practice all the time. You see my problem is that I think I am too late in becoming a good artist because I know so many people that are good that started when they were just kids. I have always drew sketches but not as good as people that i have seen. I guess what I am trying to get at is to know if it is too late to become one of these concept artists. I am probably too far behind of the drawing game, just need to know where to start. So I want to ask all the artists out there is:

1) How old were you when you started to draw really good stuff?

2) Who was your inspiration if you had any or were you just gifted?

3) And how can I get there too? heh...

The only reason why I am interested is that my major is graphic design and I took some drawing classes and saw some ppl.'s work. These people are really good because they are either in animation or illustration and I just recently got introduced to concept art. First concept artist I have heard about was Justin Sweet. His stuff is so insane it made me want to get there, but then I heard he was jsut really good and that discouraged me. So all you artists out there, help me out?? I really want to make this into a career and have started some noob sketches. So I need guidance and tips in getting there. :[

[evildisco]

Three words for you: ...bust your ass...

[silverslash]

you are lazy.

i know this because you didnt bother using the search function.

-jose

[rick_hershey]

Look, I'll reply - cause I'm a member, but I ain't telling you shit.


goodluck

[Vaguelogic1984]

Wow... lots of hostility in here.


I started drawing sense I was wittle. Ive always been creative in everything I do so it just came natural. A lot of 'artist' dont believe in talent. But Talent is real. Some people have to work alot harder at things, this people dont have talent and are enviouse of those that things come naturaly, this are the talented. I grew upwith my dad, my brother grew up with my mother. My mother and her side of the family is very talented. I grew up drawing and realy good at it, no one encouraged me, in fact it was discouraged. My brother never realy got into drawing, he only did it when he was bored, yet we both have about the same level of skill. Some peoples minds are just more atuned to the creative side of there brain. If you constantly are comming up with new and original stuff, for instances I see a vacume cleaner and I can picture an awsuem plasma rifle out of it, then keep going at it. If you see something that interest you and you wan to draw it, thats not creative thats a mimic. I dont brag about being an outstanding artist, Im just a doodler with no training. More of a hobby than a profession. If you want to see a few of my older works you can go to artwanted.com/brandoom .

[gasmask]

van gogh didnt start painting till he was 25, there ya go

[Vaguelogic1984]

van gogh didnt start painting till he was 25, there ya go


Thats why he painted abstract. He didnt have the talent or skill to paint like leonardo Devinci. Abstract is very entertaining but is nowhere on the same level that realism is on.

[rick_hershey]

Hey man, I was just kidding. . .
to answer some of your questions.
1) How old were you when you started to draw really good stuff?
-still not old enough
2) Who was your inspiration if you had any or were you just gifted?
-always new this is what I wanted to do, and if you mean "gift" as of working every single day to become the best I can be, then yes I am gifted.
3) And how can I get there too?
-post work in the proper forum section and listen to what people say, draw everyday, learn to sacrifice for what you want to do.

Best of luck

[-sideshowbob-]

well drawing is not evrything because u need ur brain and mind to understand it.. but there are ways to understand drawing with schedule and techniques u can develope.. i really suggest that ..and use ur brain and mind alot dude its very important !
because.. im trying to develope such a technique that gives me guarantee to get there.. where the most artists here are... skillfull.. get there in no time ...in no time means like 3 years only drawing studies with schedule -
when u got that done.. ur pro :P i dont daubt in that - schedule is important here - no schedule no guarantee


drawing is not just drawing - and learning how to draw is not just draw draw draw observe draw from life and copy... its what i heard alot here and evrywhere else... it made me frustrated but then i started to develope my own techniques with guarantee to learn drawing and become pro at it.. there is no chance anyways ...

i just satrted drawing seriously and developing that technique 1.5 years about.. ..


just reveal the : how to learn how to draw evrything technique .. :)

i dont think there is no way to understand what drawing really is..... its just very complex and we need time to understand it.. some ppl spend more time in it some others spend less.. but .. the more u spend the higher u get
and ur techniques gets better and better -> efficiency effecitivy <- thats what i care about ( fun.. comes later but its also important u know :P )
all about experience !

perspective
vanishing points
symmetrie
dynamic
foreshortening

:yayca:

most guys maybe dont believ in such a how to learn how to draw (almost) evrything technique.. .. for some reasons i dont understand... but.. not ma fault ..
i know its real xD

i see most tings as 3D objects - like faces bodys nose ears legs cars - and theyes objects are setup - like a cube - with lines and angles - the cube is inside a orbit which appears diffrent depending on the lense u look thru - the lense distortes light diffrent - perspective appears diffrent vanishing points are created - turn the objects and u get foreshortened lines - when u know how to set 3D objects in 3Dorbid up freely ( in fact u just need lines to get ur objects difined ) .. u got it :P .. thats what u should learn.. learning without efficiency is no fun more like frustration

when u know ur lines.. u can also shade ur objects perfectly - light shade always depends on the surface below which u can make appear with lines
like a cube side can be like | | or like ||||||||| .. no real difference

http://www.barre.nom.fr/vtk/images/sphere-bench-wireframe-32.jpg



:rendered:

[Molly]

...yeah, whats with the negativity fellas? we are here to help eachother, you guys are wankers.... *tsk tsk tsk* ...Ima smack you with a ruler....

First up, post your work on the Forums. Let people here see where your at with regards to your skill, then you can start receiving the feedback you need. Some folks start a daily sketchbook thread; its a good way for you, and others to see your progress. There are alotta folks who are willing to help, and give advice, so you've come to the right place. :)

Ok, in answer to your questions, I started drawing when I was in 1st school, got better in High School, so thats when things got interesting.
My influences then where actors, actresses, cartoons and rock bands. I did a lot of copying from magazines, comic books, photographs etc,....I also wanted to be a princess.... :nohope:
My influences now are the artists of conceptart.org, my network of friends and things I see in daily life. After the amsterdam workshop in April '04, I focused more on my skills, I was nearing 26 then(Im 27 soon). So, no your not too old to start, your 23 ya?
You could say gift has alot to do with being an artist, but I dont think it really matters. What matters most in my opinion, is your passion for art and learning. Passion IMO is what gets you through...

Theres some good advice in this thread so far. Good-luck mate, all the best; draw, post, recieve critique, and push yourself, its hard work, but very, very rewarding...

Mollyx

[USER777]

Thats why he painted abstract. He didnt have the talent or skill to paint like leonardo Devinci. Abstract is very entertaining but is nowhere on the same level that realism is on.

that's one of the most ignorant answers i read in a long time.
you can NOT compare two artists from two totally different periods of time with each other.
1st of all, i wouldn't call van gogh's style abstract just because he didn't use those chiaroscuro and szfumato-techniques that the old renaissance and barock masters (like da vinci and caravaggio) used. he just developed his style very quick because he wanted to.
2nd: do you know picasso? he was the one who could paint very realistically at the age of 14. yet, in his later phases, he went more and more abstract because he didn't want this academical realism.

any way, back to topic.

i wouldn't say that i paint any good stuff by now (i am 17 and started when i was 16). but drawing every day definitely helped me improve my skills.

if you want to improve, do lots of life drawings and go read the loomis and bridgman anatomy books. try to switch your brain on while you are drawing (except you don't want to :^^: ) and you will be rewarded by progressing faster.

the most important thing yet is to constantly draw, even when you don't think you are improving at all or you don't want to draw.

cheers.

[-sideshowbob-]

the most important thing yet is to constantly draw, even when you don't think you are improving at all


well.. u cant gain any understanding when u just draw.. thats why we have a braind and a mind and we can use our thoughts to reflect.. when u just draw.. without thinkking improvement is more luck then anything - how can u reproduce anything when u dont understand how u got that done at first time - u cant controle without understanding it.. and thats what the pro artists can do.. they know about 3D they know about the ollusion of drawing.. they know about 3D orbit and how objects behave.. i dunt think all of em are aware of their knowledge.. but .. when u are not aware of it.. its not real

the only way to learn and understand is to think about is.. thats the only guarantee we have to control ..the rest of that process is hidden in the sub-consciouness but its computet with the consciouness - u cant understand or learn how to draw without thinking and paying attention to it

spend more -> learn faster .. thats just what i experienced and that is why i dont suggest to just draw draw draw or copy or bla bla bla lal that just do and dont think about stuff - in order to controle what u draw/want to draw and able to reproduce stuff and not just got lucky.. u have to think about it


we "humans" dun have other tools to understand us and this world.. i recommend to use these tools (effective ) ;)

[Dizon]

Surround yourself with the artists/students and learn from them. Immerse yourself in workshops to keep motivated and consistent with your learning. Everyone starts out slow but the most impt is thing is how passionate you are about this. Know your goals first and concentrate on how you can achieve it. I have no idea how old you are but it's never too late. I can safely say that I've improved a lot since getting that art education in college so it's all worth it!

[Red_Rook]

First up, post your work on the Forums. Let people here see where your at with regards to your skill, then you can start receiving the feedback you need. Some folks start a daily sketchbook thread; its a good way for you, and others to see your progress. There are alotta folks who are willing to help, and give advice, so you've come to the right place. :)



yea mate, thats the most sound advice your going ta get in this thread, everybody has their individual strengths and weaknesses, theres hardly a single route of success that you can follow and taadaa. :blah: You need to develope, not only your technical skill and knowledge but your imagination, and expand it with all the real world elements, that you can incorporate into everything, you have no idea how useful it is to know how muscle, and gaseous exchange systems work, when designing a creature, or why a submarine is a certain shape to withstand high amounts of pressure. Now i know these are pretty crap examples, but you get my drift.
and to answer your questions:

1) i started drawing seriously when i was 16, i still draw crap stuff today (18) but thats besides the point, i am progressing a bit, even if your freakin amazing, youl look back embarassed at the work you did 2 years ago.

2)Everyone has inspirations, anyone who claims they dont is a freakin liar. Even if it may not be other artists its the world around you, you just need to apply it. For me it the wonderful people that are replying in your thread, and all over the rest of the board, its what keeps me motivated.

3) youve seen plenty of examples above, and i think jason manley started drawing when he was 20 or somthing, and hes currently running massive black.

:yayca: 8) :android:

[darth massacre]

Post here...post often....get crits....absorb those crits....work on it.


If all else fails, sign up for classes.


Welcome to the forum.

[John]

Want to be MADE into Concept Artists!

Why not try, and make yourself?

Honestly, we get like 5 new members every month that post stuff like "i wanna be a concept artist", "i wanna be a game designer" and stuff like that. Really, where's the point?

bust your ass and don't brag. (Btw, evildisco, love the disco volante avatar)

[Arctis]

Thanx, Lim, for your answer about VanGogh. :)

One little story my piano teacher told me : He told me there was a pianist who started to play at 17 ! (most professionals start at 4 or 5...), he worked ten years, then win one of the most prestigious piano contest in the world by playing concerto n.3 of Rachmaninov (one of the hardest piece to play). He previously learned concerto n.2 (extremely difficult too) but decided to change at the last minute, to pay homage to a deceased peer !
He also told me that the most gifted childs stop quickly, most of the time, because they can't stand difficulties : they were not used to it !
Hope it will give you some courage and self-trust.

[look]

Didn't you already post this in the sketch forum? :/
Anyway, to answer your question, it's never too late to start. One of my favorite artist (Nykolai) mentioned he didn't started painting till he's around 30. And one of the 3D artist didn't start going for art till he graduated with an engineering degree (that would make him around 22 or 23 when he started his art career at least).

To get to be a good artist, you need to practice a lot, and you already know that. But also don't forget practice with referrence and comparitive practicing. It seems a lot of people when they start off they think they can go without referrencing at all and thought making everything out from imagnation is good. But it's really not true. Also compare your art with people who are better than you, to see why yours isn't as good, try to see it from different aspect, ask yourself is it the lack of contrast, the lack of overall flow, the lack of different color tones, etc that make your piece not as good? And it may also help to compare your work with ppl who doesn't draw as good as you, to see what mistake you make.

[Elwell]

You want to be MADE into a concept artist? OK, I'll MAKE you into concept artist.
POOF! You're a concept artist.
Unfortunately, I only have the power to make you into a really lousy concept artist. You have to make yourself into a good one.

[Denart]

Thats why he painted abstract. He didnt have the talent or skill to paint like leonardo Devinci. Abstract is very entertaining but is nowhere on the same level that realism is on.
and that is why artists who ONLY create abstract art are not 'true artists'
Picasso was great. His abstract art was a rebellion against his peers and pa (damn was he able to create realism during his teen years)
Van Gogh on the other hand...was just a crazy man who got a hold of paint

[Orcatraz]

Thats why he painted abstract. He didnt have the talent or skill to paint like leonardo Devinci. Abstract is very entertaining but is nowhere on the same level that realism is on. Do you even know who van Gogh (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gogh/) is? Give me one example of an abstract painting by van Gogh.

[Elwell]

and that is why artists who ONLY create abstract art are not 'true artists'
Picasso was great. His abstract art was a rebellion against his peers and pa (damn was he able to create realism during his teen years)
Van Gogh on the other hand...was just a crazy man who got a hold of paint
You still have much to learn, grasshopper ;).

[Dizon]

and that is why artists who ONLY create abstract art are not 'true artists'
Picasso was great. His abstract art was a rebellion against his peers and pa (damn was he able to create realism during his teen years)
Van Gogh on the other hand...was just a crazy man who got a hold of paint


Even Van Gogh received classical training. Both had the potential to create better works of art but unfortunately they veered away from it.

[Denart]

Do you even know who van Gogh (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gogh/) is? Give me one example of an abstract painting by van Gogh.
I only said abstract because somebody before me said abstract...
But fine.
Representational Abstract.
that's better

hey I'm not a hater of modern art. I adore my ARTODAY book.

[Dizon]

I only said abstract because somebody before me said abstract...
But fine.
Representational Abstract.
that's better

hey I'm not a hater of modern art. I adore my ARTODAY book.

It's Post-Impressionism...

[Orcatraz]

van Gogh (http://www.artlex.com/ArtLex/p/postimp.vangogh.html) is a Post-Impressionist. and most of his work looks like it would fit in on this site (to some degree). >>example (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/gogh/montmartre/gogh.montmartre.jpg)<<

Edit: patdzon beat me to it. Im a slow typist.

[egerie]

Isn't Art history taugh anymore ????????? :rolleyes: And we wonder why the subforum of the same name is dead... :nohope:

[Dizon]

Isn't Art history taugh anymore ????????? :rolleyes: And we wonder why the subforum of the same name is dead... :nohope:

haha yeah...

[Groover McNab]

and that is why artists who ONLY create abstract art are not 'true artists'
Picasso was great. His abstract art was a rebellion against his peers and pa (damn was he able to create realism during his teen years)
Van Gogh on the other hand...was just a crazy man who got a hold of paint

Yikes. Well Elwell said it best already. No offense Denart, but I wish I went to your high school where they teach you what "true artists" are. As it is, I'm still confused :thinking:

Anyway, welcome to the forums. Ignore the hostile responses. This thread is probably a good microcosm of what goes on here, good advice for the most part, and the occassional jack-assery.

[Denart]

ok ok chill :bashful:
We dont have art history at my high school and the art courses we do have, we only learn about using the various art mediums. My HS only likes to fund proms and sports... :nohope:


currently I'm in this classical/bouguereau/modern-realists craze and trying to get my foundations down, so that would explain any hostilities towards the abstract artists :confident

[USER777]

am i wrong, or did this guy not even reply once by now?
i guess he could care less.

[Groover McNab]

ok ok chill :bashful:
We dont have art history at my high school and the art courses we do have, we only learn about using the various art mediums. My HS only likes to fund proms and sports... :nohope:


currently I'm in this classical/bouguereau/modern-realists craze and trying to get my foundations down, so that would explain any hostilities towards the abstract artists :confident

Hehe. No problem. Woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and the "true art" thing got to me. :P

[John]

Yes the art history forum needs to be revived by people who really know what they are talking about (i.e. not me). Not to bash on JTJ further, since at least he made an effort to put something up that he cared about, but really ... i mean, not to start that old modern/realist art discussion again ... but ... aw man. I don't go around bashing realist art either.
Art History Forum revival! Leonardo Da Vinci teaches caricature! Hokusai teaches composition and gesture! Picasso teaches artistic tolerance!

Denart, pick up Hales "Drawing Lessons From Great Masters". Not only is it one of the best books on drawing i ever read, it'll also show you the old masters didn't exactly care about realism all that much. All they cared about was creating good pictures, and they'd bend and break the rules at will. That's exactly what Picasso and Van Gogh did, and the current realist craze ... i like realist artists, but the whole attitude spread around is terribly ignorant.

[Elwell]

Yeah, lets not turn this into a "pile on Denart" thread.
Please feel free to continue to pile on Vaguelogic1984, however.

[Dizon]

ok ok chill :bashful:
We dont have art history at my high school and the art courses we do have, we only learn about using the various art mediums. My HS only likes to fund proms and sports... :nohope:


currently I'm in this classical/bouguereau/modern-realists craze and trying to get my foundations down, so that would explain any hostilities towards the abstract artists :confident

I just think it's amazing younger guys like you know bougereau and other styles of art!

[Denart]

Denart, pick up Hales "Drawing Lessons From Great Masters"...it'll also show you the old masters didn't exactly care about realism all that muchI actually borrowed that book from my library ('bout 2 years ago) and renewed it quite a bit! I love the examples inside, haven't really read it, I just copied(drew) what was inside. Think I'll check it out again and read up. Sounds interesting


and thank you Elwell!
Vaguelogic did start this hate-for-van-gogh-deal. hehheh, I just kind of followed suit (lesson = don't follow strangers, especially into an awaiting car)


I just think it's amazing younger guys like you know bougereau and other styles of art! just a fan of good art! I go through phases, a good year ago, it was expressionism and all abstract (seriously) I thought that was what colleges liked (and boy was I wrong. Glad I got back on the realism side in time for my college portfolio) :confident

[Scubasteve]

Its all about commitment. I admit, Im lazy and I hate it. Don't be like me! Draw at least a little everyday. Dont get complacent, always strive to learn more. And be a regular poster of your own material here. Listen to the critiques, and get a thick skin. Good luck!

[Dished]

Thats why he painted abstract. He didnt have the talent or skill to paint like leonardo Devinci. Abstract is very entertaining but is nowhere on the same level that realism is on.

How big of a deal does age matter? I mean the advantage of starting when youre young maybe that you have more time. This isnt gymnastics now, you arent gonna sprain or pull every muscle cause you started at an older age. Its art dude, you can start at any time and be great. As long as youre not lazy, bust your ass out practicing and studying and taking critiques and listening to them.

[Ian Mack]

Nothing will take you farther than love. From love comes dedication,
inspiration, and hard work!

Do it for the love of it, or die trying.

[Gregory Wohlwend]

to the dude who started this thread: get drawing and stop playing video games



to the ongoing debate about abstract art...

I agree to create good abstract works you need to have the basic skills of representational work, however abstract art is just as valid as representational, sure you may not like some and think it's a cop out but you don't know their process or what was going through the artist's head...

[Digby]

Alright first things first, forget about the age issue. To tell the truth age is only going to stop you or bring you up short if you let it. I myself am 30 next month, though i am lazy and the work i have on here is pretty crap as i haven't completed anything for ages, haven't done much since i did finarts when i was about 22. To tell the truth it comes down to a) dedication b)observation and c)inspiration. Yes there are cases of young ppl starting very early and getting very good, but the truth is, and no offense to young ppl, that these are actually rare for them to be great until they are older. This is not an old versus young debate, justg more that young ppl get caught up in mimicing someones style, and don't actually learn from the processes. Observation is perhaps the key element, you can draw figure studies and anatomy until your eyes fallout, but this isn't necessarily goin to make you good, as i witnessed in FineArts. Learn to pay attention to the world around you, how ppl move, lighting, the millions of colours in the qworld and their interaction with each other. Pay attention to gesture and emotion, these are key. If you are dedicated and really let your mind work in this way you can become good, but as many have said, like all good things, it involves hard work. Never get discouraged that there are better artists than you as this is subjective, some artists are just better at certain things, simple as that. Try from the very beggining to devolop your own style, copying someone else is good for reference and learning, but at the end of the day it is just a mimic.

I can go on and on about this but it comes down to practice practice practice and enjoyment. you will see flaws in your work, work on thase flaws and don't give up. It is never to late to do anything, when i was studying ther were heaps of older ppl that towards the end were churning out better work than youngsters because they were more dedicated.

Don't give up and good luck.

[Ian Mack]

Learn to pay attention to the world around you, how ppl move, lighting, the millions of colours in the qworld and their interaction with each other.

Yes! I've noticed this since I came out to Kananaskis, AB. I'm 23 now. it's almost overwhelming. Beauty everywhere.

[Vaguelogic1984]

Wow, this thread has taken on a life all its own :x


Anyways, I'm not trolling here, I was just stating my opinion that ppl that do nothing but impressionism and abstract, are not as creative as someone who can picture something in there head, and without any visual reference, put it on paper as if it were a photo. That takes alot of skill and talent. Im not hateing by any means. If you enjoy it thats fine. But what people consider modern art can make a person sick. Such as Paint splatered on a canvas, or dung shaped into the Holy Mary. Ya know, it seems like theres an underground culture that considers themselves artist because they do stuff that noone has done before, but there just out for contreversory.

I dont know. I dont consider myself an artist by any means. Im a doodler, plain and simple. But I do appreciate work that looks like the artist put there heart and soul into. Paintings and sculptures that realy make you go, "How'd they do that?", Not "what is that..?".


Peace out,all. B

[Gregory Wohlwend]

Wow, this thread has taken on a life all its own :x


Anyways, I'm not trolling here, I was just stating my opinion that ppl that do nothing but impressionism and abstract, are not as creative as someone who can picture something in there head, and without any visual reference, put it on paper as if it were a photo. That takes alot of skill and talent. Im not hateing by any means. If you enjoy it thats fine. But what people consider modern art can make a person sick. Such as Paint splatered on a canvas, or dung shaped into the Holy Mary. Ya know, it seems like theres an underground culture that considers themselves artist because they do stuff that noone has done before, but there just out for contreversory.

I dont know. I dont consider myself an artist by any means. Im a doodler, plain and simple. But I do appreciate work that looks like the artist put there heart and soul into. Paintings and sculptures that realy make you go, "How'd they do that?", Not "what is that..?".


Peace out,all. B

i strongly disagree with just about everything you said

[John]

I get sick when i read comments like yours. Vaguelogic1984? Vague logic, very true. You have no idea.

Ya know, it seems like theres an underground culture that considers themselves artist because they do stuff that noone has done before, but there just out for contreversory.

For starters, the word you're looking for is "controversy". And nooo, it's not as easy as that. A small fraction of modern art relies on shock, so does a small fraction of movies and music. Many people just think so because they're offended by everything that's not in their very limitied concept of how art should be.

I was just stating my opinion that ppl that do nothing but impressionism and abstract, are not as creative as someone who can picture something in there head, and without any visual reference, put it on paper as if it were a photo. That takes alot of skill and talent

If that is just your opinion, state it as such. Say "It almost seems to me" ... and show that you're not stating the obvious because you're so smart. That whole quote just shows you have a lot to learn. You don't put a picture on paper as if it were a photo, but as if it were a picture. It's a drawing, nothing more. You're right about one thing though, visualizing it in your head takes skill. But consider this, how much skill do you think did it take Picasso to visualize something that noone has ever seen before? Also, don't just take it for granted that you can see the world as it is. Everyone is full of preconceived notions they picked up, although most people are not aware of it.

[Slash]

...Ima smack you with a ruler....


promises promises...

[kmaiquez004]

WOW!!! I just got home right not expecting to get a lot of replies from you guys. I appreciate all the advice everyone gave me. I learned from you guys that age really doesn't matter, and to let you guys know I am only 22, so back to the subject, yeah age doesnt matter and all it is to practice, practice, practice. I guess I have to start really applying myself and stop making excuses and start drawing and sketching as much as I kind. I am going to start posting my drawings soon it's just that been really busy with finals and all. I thank everyone again and please keep posting because I want to here everyones experience in their beginnings of drawing because it reminds me that ppl. were rookies before. :)

[Nadim]

Thats why he painted abstract. He didnt have the talent or skill to paint like leonardo Devinci. Abstract is very entertaining but is nowhere on the same level that realism is on.

Portrait of Dr. Gachet by Vincent van Gogh
Sold for $82.5 million on May 15, 1990 at Christie's, New York

Irises by Vincent Van Gogh
Sold for $49 million on November 11, 1987 at Sotheby's, New York

Portrait de l'artiste sans barbe by Vincent Van Gogh
Sold for $65 million on November 19, 1998 at Christie's, New York

[Dizon]

Portrait of Dr. Gachet by Vincent van Gogh
Sold for $82.5 million on May 15, 1990 at Christie's, New York

Irises by Vincent Van Gogh
Sold for $49 million on November 11, 1987 at Sotheby's, New York

Portrait de l'artiste sans barbe by Vincent Van Gogh
Sold for $65 million on November 19, 1998 at Christie's, New York

Prices don't prove anything.

[Dizon]

Wow, this thread has taken on a life all its own :x


Anyways, I'm not trolling here, I was just stating my opinion that ppl that do nothing but impressionism and abstract, are not as creative as someone who can picture something in there head, and without any visual reference, put it on paper as if it were a photo. That takes alot of skill and talent. Im not hateing by any means. If you enjoy it thats fine. But what people consider modern art can make a person sick. Such as Paint splatered on a canvas, or dung shaped into the Holy Mary. Ya know, it seems like theres an underground culture that considers themselves artist because they do stuff that noone has done before, but there just out for contreversory.

I dont know. I dont consider myself an artist by any means. Im a doodler, plain and simple. But I do appreciate work that looks like the artist put there heart and soul into. Paintings and sculptures that realy make you go, "How'd they do that?", Not "what is that..?".


Peace out,all. B


When it comes to Impressionism and Abstract art or other modernist styles, some are creative, some are just plain old absurd and talentless. But they have an image in their head and they know how to put it on any format they desire by using their own means. It's just that artists who practice/d these styles don't have a higher mastery of their craft whether it be painting, drawing or sculpture.

[Gregory Wohlwend]

i'm sorry but you guys are talking about picasso like he's some sort of hack...

http://deokjin.ms.kr/jart/picasso/images/self1.jpg

http://www.mfa.org/exhibitions/picasso/images/girl.jpg

http://www.nga.gov/image/a0000d/a0000dec.jpg

http://www.mfa.org/exhibitions/picasso/images/moulin.jpg

his father was an artist his whole life and picasso has an incredible amount of realistic studies and finished pieces before his ideas evolved into what he's known for today...

GUERNICA

http://www.globalgallery.com/images/bm-pf719.jpg

[Vaguelogic1984]

Ive seen better stuff at local fleamarkets.

Sory, I just dont think he is that good. If he lived next door Id be impressed, but considering that people talk as if he is one of the greatest artist humanity has to offer is a grand overstatement.

[egerie]

haahahaha this is turning into a "what's valid art" thread. It feels like a combination of n00bs talking like Art Renewal kahunas. :D

I've been to Picasso Erotique a couple of years back and his very early sketchbook were filled with drawings from life. Very good observation ones at that too. Anyhoo, check this out (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0300071663/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-6766606-8275802#reader-link) , and perhaps this too (http://www.mfa.org/exhibitions/picasso/torso.htm)
Ah found a bigger res :
http://www.nga.gov/images/noncol/torsofs.jpg
Not bad for a twelve years old.
http://www.nga.gov/images/noncol/fisherfs.jpg
14 years old.

teeh-hee ! :cheerleader:

[John]

Ive seen better stuff at local fleamarkets. Sory, I just dont think he is that good.
If he lived next door Id be impressed, but considering that people talk as if he is one of the greatest artist humanity has to offer is a grand overstatement.

I understand that you're not impressed, but i don't think that changes anything for Picasso. I don't care what Picasso did as a child, but i think it has been the way to what he did later, and i for one am pretty impressed with that.
I've seen many artists try and imitate that style, and i have yet to see them get it right. Picasso doesn't owe you anything and he knew it. He didn't have to prove himself to anyone but himself, and he was his own harshest critic.
Of course you are free to think what you want, i don't want to force you to like modern art. But you should accept that others have a high opinion of the guy, and they may be on to something. Your opinion doesn't prove you're right any more than the hundreds of thousands of artists, art critics, and art idiots that think Picasso was a pretty cool guy. And don't say we are all ignorant because we don't see he was a hack, just because you think so.

[Dizon]

Like I said earlier, Picasso had it in him to make realist or classicist art. It does not mean he was really good at it or he mastered it. And those were just student work, nothing special. What mattered was the art he made during his professional years as an artist and that shows what kind of artist he was. It is even speculated that his father made some of his supposed student work and he (Picasso)had his signature written over it.

[Qitsune]

On a completely unrelated topic, did any of you read 'Drawing on the right side of the brain' and would you recommend it to anyone who wants to learn to draw? I'Ve read it and though many exercises are slightly too beginner for me, I want to try and do the harder execises.

[Arctis]

This discussion shows something interesting, I think :
I would say that Picasso's main interest was not the subject itself, not original at all (portrait of women, fruits, violin, events etc...), but the way to express its presence.
I think the main interest for most people posting here are, at the contrary, the subject itself, more than the way to express it.
Majority of artworks posted here are quite academical compared to Picasso's visual researches, because they show imaginary worlds that never existed before ; to make these unknown worlds understandable, it is necessary to represent them in a realistic way, otherwise everybody's lost...
Maybe it can explain why contemporary painting is not much apreciated by many CA artist, and not inspiring them.
Let's return to the thread subject :

1) How old were you when you started to draw really good stuff?
I never know when I've done good stuff : someday I'm in a good mood, so I find it OK ; another day I just want to burn my production (I did sometimes...). I think that if you find everyday that your stuff is good, you're a dead artist. (which doesn't mean that an "alive " artist is self-unconfident, but it's necessary to be always a bit unsatisfied)

2) Who was your inspiration if you had any or were you just gifted?
There's no link between inspiration and gift. My inspirations come from everywhere, depending on the project I'm working on. I can see something one day, and re-use it several months, or years later : impossible to control, impossible to list.

3) And how can I get there too? heh...
To get where ? There is ABSOLUTLY NO common path between artists, just details we share together. If I say to you : work hard, and look around you, fine... but you'll know nothing more about what you'll do later. Nobody on earth know where you deeply want to go, that's freaking... but that's the beauty of art : find his personal voice, the one that'll never be replaced.

I hope it will help you.

Bye

[Eric Lofgren]

Picasso wasn't a fool. He was accomplished at most painiting styles before he mastered Cubism. I don't think there's ever been an artist worth their salt who didn't understand the necessity of mastering fundamental representational drawing and painting first and then experimentation later.

Van Gogh was a bit of an excpetion, I think. Since he started so late in life I don't think he ever had the opportunity to fully master drawing before he died. But he was a master colorist and his compostional sense was natural as well. As I see his work, at any rate.

[John]

Arctis, it's good you took the time to write that down, i agree abstraction is not as interesting to concept artists because it lends next to nothing to the field. Still i think there are many illustrators on the boards, and an illustration can gain from almost any influence. Just think of the ornamentic details, the abstract and distorted forms and the strong compositions by James Jean. The representational elements in his work are very often subordinated to abstract design elements.
Van Gogh didn't excel in drawing perfect representations of form, but his color work and his compositions are exceptional. You are right to say that many members on this board don't care for the subtleties in color use simply because it doesn't matter for them.
On a side note, i currently do some minor design work, and color is such a pain for me. I have a basic understanding of form and composition that i rely on on a daily basis, and i now i wish i had done more color studies from life to understand the very complicated relationships that Van Gogh seems so easily to control.

[Nadim]

haahahaha this is turning into a "what's valid art" thread. It feels like a combination of n00bs talking like Art Renewal kahunas. :D

I've been to Picasso Erotique a couple of years back and his very early sketchbook were filled with drawings from life. Very good observation ones at that too.

thank you egerie..
now at 15 years old ...

http://www.tamu.edu/mocl/picasso/graphics/1896/opp96-01.jpg http://www.tamu.edu/mocl/picasso/graphics/1896/opp96-11.jpg http://www.tamu.edu/mocl/picasso/graphics/1896/opp96-02.jpg

[Arctis]

Ancient kitten : I totally agree about the fact that contemporary art can be an excellent influence for concept art, in terms of colors, shapes and even artistic attitude. But it's a fact, I think, that this influence is very rare in CA world. That's all I said. ;)

[goldenavatar]

:P I'll avoid all the art history banter and ignorantly reply to the original poster.

1, I couldn't say for sure as some folks see some of my stuff and say it's good, but others don't say anything at all. If you really want a definitive answer you'll be one of the first to know when I start making good stuff as I'm still in the learning process myself.
2, No inspiration from visual artists really, and I don't consider myself particularly gifted or talented, just very lazy and suffering from sporatic bursts of enthusiasm. Regardless of some innate talent you've still gotta develop it into a refined and viable skill in the end if using it to make money is a potential interest on your part.
3, Open your mind and be serious in your commitment to make it a habit to practice. Being enthusiastic about it is crucial because if you've no enthusiasm for it, then you're just kidding yourself in the end.