Anatomy Questions

[Hyptosis]

I've been out of school for a while now and realize how much I've forgotten about the figure, so much becomes habit that you forget why you're adding a dip or shadow, but rather just do it because that is how it 'is'. So I'm breaking the body down again, taking some time off of life to get back to what I love. I was painting these models and then realized there is a spot I don't remember why the shadow is there. I think it has something to do with the shoulder blade, and I'm still reading up on it, but thought I'd post to see what you guys thought or if you had a good example for me. I'd love to have some conversaiton about such spots as well if you guys wanted.

http://www.lorestrome.com/trash/mods01.jpg

http://www.lorestrome.com/trash/mods02.jpg

[Hyptosis]

http://www.lorestrome.com/trash/mods03.jpg

was trying to fill it in but I'm drawing a blank, relaly frustrating =D

[Hyptosis]

I think I'm gonna take a little break and rest my eyes. This humidity is killing me. =P

http://www.lorestrome.com/trash/mods04.jpg

As you can see I"m more than a little out of practice.

[Hyptosis]

http://www.lorestrome.com/gallery/sketch/paintchat049.jpg

[Aberrant]

I think the shadow you're talking about is caused by the edge of the scapula and the infraspinatus.

http://142.165.246.187/ca/shoulder.jpg

Maybe a bit hard to see what I drew, green is edge of scapula, I think infraspinatus attaches along that edge.

[Hyptosis]

Hmm, that kind of makes sense. I see what you mean. thanks for the reply, I hate forgetting how stuff works, I've got a bad brain.

[briggsy@ashtons]

The small dark right-angled shape marks a useful landmark for artists, the tendinous attachment of the trapezius to the base of the spine of the scapula. If your anatomy book shows the fleshy part of the trapezius in red, this small, non-fleshy part will be shown as white. When the surrounding muscle contracts and bulks up, this part is left as a depression, as in your picture. It very helpfully reveals the position of the spine of the scapula, which runs between here and the acromion process, when the former is hard to see among the surrounding muscles.

I will try to upload a diagram from The Anatomy of the External Forms of Man, by "Doctor J. Fau" (1849). It shows an arm raised to a similar position, and if you look carefully at the left hand diagram you will see the same small right-angled shape as in your photo. Either that or you will see a small red cross (this is my first attempt at posting).

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/djcbriggs/anatomy%20notes/Faushouldermuscles.jpg

[Hyptosis]

ahh, most helpful, and a great image as wlel, thanks so much for the aid my friend =D

[briggsy@ashtons]

Glad to be of help! I've just uploaded the rest of my scans from Fau on Rapidshare, if anyone is interested. I think they score in terms of clarity, precision and accuracy over a lot of comparable references:

http://rapidshare.de/files/1933050/Fau.rar.html

To download, click the link, click "Free" at the bottom of the first page that comes up, then wait a minute or so for the download link to come up at the bottom of the second page. If you have a download manager/accelerator such as LeechGet or NetTransport installed do NOT use it or you won't get the file; just right click and save to disc. UnRAR using WinRAR or the freeware 7-Zip.

Is there a central thread here where people post this sort of link?

[mentler]

Personal invitation to join

http://www.tsofa.com/forum/index.php

[Aberrant]

That's an awesome set of scans briggsy, thanks. I like the muscle/bone depictions over a persons body. Similar to:

http://www.reybustos.com/03ra/ra.html

[Hyptosis]

YES! Thanks guys, super stuff!