HEY! Pixel's book of learning. "Following tradition(al art)"

[Pixeldragoon]

Hi all. I've been meaning to start one of these.

These are all aold, like in February/early march old I think.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/scan0015.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/scan0016.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/scan0001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/scan0003.jpg

And these are more recent ones.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/scan0001A.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/scan0002A.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/FACE.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/STILL.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/SP1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/SP2.jpg

I'ma try and do one SP everyday. C/C much apprciated.





http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/SP3.jpg
Meh. I hate it..

[jayneko]

Hey hey. :D

Aw, no nudity? ;)

Anyway. Nifty stuff you have here. :) I think the Brucel Willis one looks odd because you drew it from a picture eh? ;) It's normal..happens to me too..much better to draw from life to begin with.

Try spending more time polishing your stuff though, bringing out shadows and highlights to give everything more volume and life. Take one of your portraits and try spending more itme defining th shapes with shadows until it doesn't look like a line drawing at all, and it's all shapes. :D

The cats are cute. :D And I like the hand sketches a lot too. Make more!

[Pixeldragoon]

It's a caricature, thats why =P

[Pixeldragoon]

New crap sketch. Did this during BAIT. It was a fun show, and I got this nifty shirt.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Robot.jpg

[sula_nebouxi]

Draw longer. I can't stress this enough. And you need to fix your shadows. It's mostly around the same tone. You need more variance in them. Again, draw longer. I'm seeing a heavy emphasis on line. If you're gonna do that, give it varying line weight. Not just solid lines all over the place. But if you want realism, it's all about the shadow shapes.

Call it a test of patience. Take 3-4 hrs and draw a self portrait. No more quick sketches cause you will not advance as much as you will with a longer drawing. You can't hope to consistantly create a good quick sketch until you can master the long drawing.

[Pixeldragoon]

Well, the scanner itself makes the piece lighter, so it's one of those looks better in real life things. But I really need to take more time. I try to, but 1) I can't find a model for long enough,
and 2)when I am drawing ymself I can't help but to sketch and do it quickly, I dont know why, I try nott o. But next weekend I am going on an art spree cuse I got about 80 bucks.

[Pixeldragoon]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/KH.jpg

SOmething for a friend. Ancient China KH style. Technically it's not anime, right? Right?

[Ink_Monkey]

Hey buddy glad you could make it here. It looks like your heading along the right path with your art. I know you aren't able to do any figure studies atm but you could do some anatomy studies ... next best thing cuz it gives you a solid understanding of the human body plus you can apply the anatomical knowlege to creatures by distorting the anatomy and what not cuz when you look at it all creatures are built the same .... kinda lol.

Anyway your faces are looking good ... keep them up.

Fast isnt bad so don't worry about it for now.... your getting lines down and getting familiar with the human face.... you'll slow down some day.

Looking forward to more of your post ... Keep up the good work :yayca:

Later for now ... I'll keep an eye on ya.

[loomer]

Hey there! - I think the most successful sketch are the hand studies. That's where the closest observation seemed to have taken place.
I like the floating landscape you did for your friend as well.


- Like I'm sure you've heard 1,000 times...Do as much drawing from direct -observation as you can...It doesn't have to be a nude model. Sure, that will help your figure drawing skills , which are extremely important, but there are other skills you can sharpen too. Getting that hand, eye and brain to work like one big muscle together can take some time. Photos are okay to work with if that's all you have...but try to use quality photos.Ones that are all washed out with a flash or extremely doctored in photoshop will make it more difficult to learn.

Keep at it bro!

[NobodyYouWouldKnow]

Ha, I have the opposite problem-I refuse to do nude life drawing and everyone wants me to. My dad was giving me crap about it today actually. "Draw those naked people!" It looks like I will probably be kicked out of The Joe Kubert School pretty soon after I start (I hope they let me stay the first year at least) because of my "no-nudity" rule. Oh well, suicide is always an option.

Well, looks like you too can draw better than me. Everyone can and god do I hate myself.


...and hey, looks like everyone else hates me too! I wish I was dead.

[Pixeldragoon]

Are you only saying that to scare people? At least you have some motivaiton. My Stepbrother lives with us, he's 25 and only gets like, 20 bucks a day which he spends on beer or something else.

[Muttonhead]

[QUOTE=NobodyYouWouldKnow]Ha, I have the opposite problem-I refuse to do nude life drawing and everyone wants me to. My dad was giving me crap about it today actually. "Draw those naked people!" It looks like I will probably be kicked out of The Joe Kubert School pretty soon after I start (I hope they let me stay the first year at least) because of my "no-nudity" rule. QUOTE]


So I guess this begs the question: Why do you have a no-nudity rule? Even the most religious guy I knew in art school had no problems with it. is it a religious thing?

[Pixeldragoon]

yeah right. It's a parent thing. And becuase I'm 15, they think Im a perv more than an artist. I hope next summer (in o6) I can go to Ringlings precollege and get some done there. It's not ym faulkt, really. and it's not a rule either.

EDIT: Oh, for him? I'd guess it's a women thing, not nerovus or anything, just he may not think it's right.

[Moonstrider]

No nudity ? Poor you... but there is a workaround, just never show your nudiedrawings to your parents. :wink: I never do. If they had seen most fo my stuff (that's mostly nekkid girls, I'm such a perv :perv: ) they would have confiscated my pencils for sure. :P

Well... enough kidding for now, i guess...

Anyway, i like those hand studies. :^^: At least what i can make out of them, because they are very light. I have that scanner problem too.
The selfportraits are pretty ok too. Maybe pay more attention to the form of the shadows and which way you do the pencil strokes. (Following the form and depth of what you are drawing really helps to increase the sense of depth.) Anyway... keep drawing a lot... i started doing a4 pages full of studies, each day about five days ago, and it has paid off already.

[dadamafia]

cool beans on the stuff bro. just keep workin and workin and eventually we will be asking you for autographs.

[dadamafia]

like the floating island and those cats.

[Pixeldragoon]

Haven't had to much time to draw recently... But I promise I'll update when I get home from school tomorrow!

And its snot just not showing it to them, its that I only use sketchbooks, and my friends always want to look through them. ANd they aren't exactly all knowledgable artists.. and one girl who i got a crush on does too, and I wouldnt want her seing any of that, now would I? :teeth:

[gafmar]

hey great stuff! makeing me feel like I should just put the pencil and paper away for good!

stop by sometime http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=445421

[razuel]

I know the feelin, I started doing figure studies and whenever I show my sketchbook to friends or people they're like-- aw you draw naked ladies. My mom was like, did you get that from a naughty site. Haha, funny stuff.

But if you're forbidden to draw naked people, try finding pictures of women in bathing suites.. bikinis.. sports illustrated or something of that sort: that's probably the next best thing.

[Pixeldragoon]

My parents wouldnt even let me do that. They think every fifteen year old is a perv, so til I'm in Precollege next year (Hopefuly), or until Im eighteen, no nudes...

[Pixeldragoon]

K! New stuf! I hsould really update more often =(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Clown.jpg
A spikey CLown thnag. I like the head, the rest is scary. In the bad way.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Dragon.jpg
For a schol project. Just a kid on a dragon for a sequential art project. Comp sketch.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Nightmare.jpg
Flash project concept sketches. Title's Nightmare. No detail for now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Santa.jpg
Santaclaus redesign for assignment. Fighter pilot from the future.

C/C Ploz. OH and guess what?

My PARENTS are buying me an ANATOMY BOOK!!! WOOOOOT!!!!11!one1omgnoob1!

[Fakez]

Saw your reply in my sketchbook and couldn't resist to look at yours.
I wished I was able to draw that good, when I was 15 and I wished I had found that forum here earlier. *mind trails off... remembering the good ol' days...^^*

I like your kid-on-a-dragon-sketch and your house on a floating rock.
I just can repeat what the others said:
work on your shadows, perhaps train them on easy objects like cubes or balls
try to make your lines parallel that makes your sketches look cleaner
try to follow the form of an object with your lines
make experiments with different types of lines and shadings

this all may sound boring but these these things are important basics

I hope your parents will change their minds about the drawing-naked-people-thingy... but an anatomy book is really good news :) congratulations!

[Pixeldragoon]

I'm sure they'l come around. And everyone always tells me the basics- That's fine, I nkow they're basic. It's just (And I do this to, so dont worry) So many oyung artists dont know what the basics are, and have to be convinced to actually practice them. So thanks for your input! And I do shapes and crap. I need to work on irregular sahding though, and values.

[Pixeldragoon]

4 new craps!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Boredghost.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Inabottle.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Orangeone.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Orange2.jpg
C/C please!

[Pixeldragoon]

More sketches!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/PenPortrait.jpg

30 minute pen portrait of me

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Characterrefinition.jpg

VERY crappy refined sketch from that orange page. I like the sketch page better =(

[willpaxton]

Huge improvement. I would suggest working on your eyes and their placement.

[Pixeldragoon]

As said before, I have to work on my realism ALOT. I can do quick stuff, but I need value practice and all tat, very badly.

[charcoalArtist]

Thanks for stoping by my sketchbook..

looks like you are making progress too, just keep drawing, you have a lifetime to get better. Don't worry about the nude thing.. just try drawing anything from life: boxes, bottles, your jacket, etc and try to really look at it. look at the way shadow and light falls on it, where the shadows are, etc. the best advice I've received so far in this forum is to do two exercises

1) do one drawing and try to render it as realistic as possible, so realistic that it amazes your friends. pick a simple subject like a coke can. that's one hell of a challenge that I still have to undertake but it's on my list of things to do.

2) the other one is to do quick drawings. capture as much of the subject as you can in 30 seconds or less.

The idea is that a combination of tight rendering and loose sketching will drastically improve your abilities.

Keep it up

[Pixeldragoon]

I gotta try that too.... I can't sahde worth crap though...

[Anders89]

Hey nice to se some other 15 year old art loving boys on this forum.

The only crits i got is that you should not starting with tiny details on those faces every time try to render the image in different ways like crosshatching, pure black vs white pictures and so on. Also i would love to see some muscles studys from you.

But at all keep up the great work and continue drawing every day.

[Pixeldragoon]

Muscle studies coming soon, I have yet to get my Anatomy book, but it should be here by Saturday at the latest! =D

EDIT: ahve a problem with double o's apparently.. (Spelling error)

[JustinBeckett]

From the looks of your posting's it seems you are already improving on these face studies, maybe study a bit of anatomy though, i think you need some. Also most of your sketches are all really great, i like them :)

By the way, im in your group now, im sure you know that :)

[Pixeldragoon]

I'd do anatomy but sadly, my book ahsn't arrived yet =(

[Sara-San]

*pokepokepoke* oh? and what were those comments about me and my cartoon style? ^_^

You and I need to study anatomy together, but good stuff

[Pixeldragoon]

I'll try and scan some crap if I want to.

http://img190.echo.cx/img190/8067/iconguycopy6mx.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[JustinBeckett]

that last guy is cool :)

i like him. cool pixel kinda style to it.

[Sara-San]

The last one is nice, but make sure that the guy is balenced. if he's leaning on his sword, then it needs to be equal with the bottom of his foot

[Pixeldragoon]

He's not really leaning on it, he's just holding it upright. And it's just a small bit behind him. I got 2 new SB's today, so expect some heavy stuff. When my book gets ehre, this thing will be JAMMED.

[Pixeldragoon]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Cover1.jpg

First page of sketchbook numbah 1 =D

[Odds]

keep up that dedication. ;)
you've got ideas, now you just need to keep workin' at your technical ability!

[I0N]

hey man...so your only 15 huh? these are pretty damn good for 15. I dont think I was this good.But! there is a problem. ya got a case of the fuzzy lines on some of your drawings, you gotta be more confident. draw the line from begining to end in one stroke,if you didnt get it right the first time draw another one...its just that simple.

as for the whole nude drawings dilema, I hear you I still get hasseled by my parents, 2 sisters and brother...just do it.

keep up the good work!

[Pixeldragoon]

yeah I'll work on that line thing.. Heh... Got another pic to upload soon! =D

[Sara-San]

^_^ keep filling those pages! I look forward to your next updates

[Pixeldragoon]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Skelestudy1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Footstudy.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Boobs.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Portrait.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Walker.jpg


My mom is a nurse >.< Stupid me. She has no problem at all. My stepdad had a funny raction. My mom was like, "Look hun a penis! And breasts! This is a cool book!" It's Anatomy for the artist, by Sarah Simblet.

[Profil]

hey dude, its looking good:)
Though I can see that the anatomy is of from the ref in some places. But its a good start:)
What I do is that I first loosley start drawing some lines for the shapes and when I found all those (compare the shapes! Like, the angle of the bone to the other bone, the negative space (for example here:
http://www.electricscotland.com/art/space.jpg
Look at the right picture and see where the black is? Thats negative space.
Take longer time and get the studies right, and THINK while you are doing it, say to yourself, this is what a deltoid looks like etc. That´s why its important to get the drawings right so your subconcious will have a correct version of them.

About the scratchy lines, I have them to but not as much anymore, try drawing things from life with just lines to show form, and as long lines as possible.

[Pixeldragoon]

okay then!

[jayneko]

Nice stuff dood! :D

Spend more time refining your stuff. :) It's a great start, so why not polish them until you can't anymore? XD

You get a 10 for being constant too. I really should work more on my sketchbook. :bashful:

[Pixeldragoon]

Heh, more stuff coming soon!

[Pixeldragoon]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Boobs2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Angel.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Skully.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/pschotix.jpg

Yeah... =( Getting there, still to crappy looking +(

[Sara-San]

^_^ you're getting there!

Crits: make sure that the skulls are very symmetrical. Also, on side views, the head actually goes forward and isnt straight up unless he's standing straight and stiff

[Pixeldragoon]

The picture in the book was at a slight angle, that's why its not perfectly symmetrical, andyeah, thanks for the head advice. =D

[Profil]

looking good. Work on your face proportions and take longer time on the drawings!

[Pixeldragoon]

A lil diggy sum'n sum'n

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Untitled-2copy.jpg

[Sara-San]

Looking good! ^_^ I'd say make the neck a bit thicker, but it seems that you already have it drawn in that way, you just didn't color it

[JustinBeckett]

cool d00d, i like the last one.

[Profil]

hey dude its looking cool:)
dont got any more to say really.

[JustinBeckett]

your anatomy is lookin a bit better, keep at it.

[Theoanida]

Justin Its theo how the hell do you post pictures???

[Tigermilk]

Hey man, kinda interesting sketchbook u got here. The last one was your best, no doubt.
I think you'r doing very fine at the moment. You'r abviously trying to improve, and hell it is indeed comming along smooth. ;)

I'm 15 too, keep it up!

[JustinBeckett]

Poooooooooooooooooosssstt!

[Dellie]

the face drawings are good!!! I also love the robot :}

[Pixeldragoon]

'Pologize everyone, I'll get stuff up tomorrow I swear! I mean, today my schedule was like this-

@7-8:30-- Wake up, get ready fro school, get on bus
@9:30-- arrive at school
@9:35-3:40-- Participate in school
@3:50-5:00-- Go home, get ready for work, go to work, arrive at work
@5:00-10:45-- Work ALONE, NO BREAKS, and I only made 52 dollars. 2 people broke stuff, and I can say Im not one of them. One hot 16 year old digs me, 3 of the higher ups are impressed and gives me round of applause.
@11-Now-- Typing this mesaage. ;_; Im so tired

[Pixeldragoon]

I'll comment when I get to school!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/BEAUTIFUL.jpgNo ref!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/ENTERCAVE.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/KILLREID.jpgFor a school thing

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/SKULLFIGHT.jpg
Part 2 of seqArt thing from pic 2

[Ramimator]

that's better...but y don't u try to be free on ur paper do long curves instead of small lines...put in mind Dynamic...that's what i'm also trying to do...Go on...and post more...cheers... :rendered:

[Pixeldragoon]

I do, but that doesnt mean I post it.

[Sean Vaul]

Yo, mate! How's it chillin'!

Looks like I know a familiar face here. :x

[Pixeldragoon]

Hey, you finally signed up you son of a bitch!

[JustinBeckett]

cool new stuff :P, you posted yay!

[Profil]

hmmm
less scratchy lines, otherwise its good.

[Dan1989]

Good progress, I can't tell you how important it is to study anatomy more, but try to have fun as well! Also, like everyone else said, longer lines would be better. Here's what I do: Take a piece of paper, and just draw continuous, flowing lines. Great Practice. Good luck, hope to see more soon! :wink:

[JustinBeckett]

yeah what dan said, so get to work, keep posting!

[Pixeldragoon]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Hands2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Hands1.jpg
Hand studies

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/Ass3.jpg
3rd part of seqart assignment!

[jayneko]

Really nice, Pixel. :) Keep it up and the presidential scholarship will be yours! ;)

The hand sketches are nice. Foreshortening is indeed hard to do but you're getting the hang of it. :) A little shading can help give the illusion of depth...

Are ya planning to color the seq. art pieces? That'd be nice. :)

Keep it up!

[Dan1989]

Nice update, it's about time =P On the sequential art it's a little hard for me to read what is foreground and what is background, you might want to try making the lines in the foreground thicker so that it's easily discernable from the bg. The hands are good too, just remember when drawing hands, it's easy to let symbology take over perception. In other words, you have to be careful to draw what you see as opposed to preconceived notions. Good luck! :rendered:

[Pixeldragoon]

I try not to. I actually feel myslef trying to draw what Iwant instead of what I see. Tis annoying. Sidenmote- I get nu compy soon, fo shizzle. That means can DL the Educational Maya versoin! Whoot!

[darkarts]

You've got some really nice stuff here, Pixel. In the last few pencil drawings, I see that you tried to use broader strokes more than just the tip of your pencil - something I need to do as well. I also really like that girl you posted a while ago. Nice stuff :)

[charcoalArtist]

Hey PD

Seems we are now on the same SSG.. Just wanted to drop by and say hi, I'll comment later when I'm at home.

now go back to drawing

[Profil]

yay biatch. Nah but what dan said.
Otherwise good job and keep working:)

[Sara-San]

hrm.. all I can suggust is if you're doing ink or cging for the sequential art, vary your lines a bit! It'll make the whole thing more interesting

[charcoalArtist]

Ok I'm here... Where's the artwork?? come on buddy, post something..

I liked your post girl with no ref from your April 29th, 2005, 05:25 AM

[AlpacaMan]

how the heck can all you ppl draw so darn good?

I try and practise all the time but still suck. :(

[Goog]

Cha! We live so close to eachother (me= St.Pete FL.) ... What school do you go to? BTW I'm 14...

[Pixeldragoon]

I live in Ellenton, Near Bradenton/Sarasota. I used to live in Riverview, near Brandon. I go to Manatee School for the arts (MY first year thus far, and I've only taken 1 drawing course thus far. No other formal art training at all.)

Alpaca: Practice is good, but remember to draw from life. Just think to your self, "What angle is her nose at compared with her forehead?" Or "How far in from her ears are her eyes, and how high up are they compared with the nose?"

And remember, sketch with your eye and your ARMS, not your mind and your hands. Sketch big, and ALWAYS look at your subject. More stuff ocming soon BTW.

[charcoalArtist]

stopped by to poke you with a stick.. POST!

[Pixeldragoon]

Alrighty, sorry for those who couldnt see my other pics. I made a enw Photobucjket account. Id use imageshack, but Photo bucket automatically scales down my iamges for me =D
HERE!!!


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Pixeldragoon/scan4563.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Pixeldragoon/ii.jpg

Sorry... Turn your head... *shurg*
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Pixeldragoon/hjoiphguok.jpg

And... My pride and pen and ink joy!


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Pixeldragoon/hhiohi.jpg

[Sean Vaul]

Pretty snazzy dude

[Dan1989]

The last ones are great! @_@ They're the best ones you've posted, sorry I don't have any real critiques, keep up the progress :wink:

[charcoalArtist]

I agree with Dan on the last one its pretty cool, you do well with ink, I think you could go a little darker on the shadows to make it pop up. the eyes are well done too.. keep it up

[darkarts]

^ I can't put it in better words. ;)

[Pixeldragoon]

http://img268.echo.cx/img268/1904/untitled13qr.th.jpg (http://img268.echo.cx/my.php?image=untitled13qr.jpg)

A small dabble in PS for about an hour or 45 moniutes or something. No ref (at all), with only a mouse.

[Dan1989]

The last one is good, but it still has few contruction problems. I can't emphasize how important it is for you to draw from life and refs. Hope to see mor updates soon.

[Pixeldragoon]

I do, just alot is crap or completley un view able so I just dontpost it.

[Profil]

Same as Dan
Otherwise keep up the good work.

[Pixeldragoon]

http://img277.echo.cx/img277/5743/untitled1copy8ue.jpg

What canI say, aside from No ref. 20 mins in PS.

[Dan1989]

I'd like to see a larger version of the last one. I'd also be happy to see anything you draw, regardless of how bad it is. If you don't post your bad drawings then it is hard for people to pinpoint what is wrong in the drawing process. Plus, this is a sketchbook so don't feel bad about posting things that aren't amazing =P

[Pixeldragoon]

Its not that they're bad, it's that they are mostly just lines and other useless things. And there is a friend who I am indirectly mad at, because everyone is so amazed since he's been "The Artist" For most of his life, but he's only been around worse artists than himself so he never really improves.
Yesterday he showed me one of his drawings, (It's ALL ANIME ALL THE TIME) and asked me, "What do you think?" And me and another art friend tried not to laugh- "Like critisizm?" We said. "No, not critique, just what do you think? Is it good, bad?" "Compared to what?" "The stuff that's out there"
I was facing the other way, my face twisted in trying to hold back laughter. He could tell so he just took it back. He doesn't like critiques of his work, because he doesn't like to hear how not great he is. And sir, I'll try to post mroe of my daily sketch crap.

[darkarts]

Dan is right about posting everything. I'd like to see a bigger version of the last one as well - currently the head looks a little big compared to the torso, but that's all I can say.

[Sara-San]

I really like the ink works and I agree with DarkArts.. the head does look a bit too big for the body.

Anyway.. yea.. I had people that came up to me when I worked in a comic book store and show me their sketchbooks... and.. Wow. I'm not good, but at least I attempt to fix my stuff. and I found that noone wants crits.

[Profil]

Post more, I should too.

[Pixeldragoon]

Damn, it's been way to long. I ahve tons of sxcketches, but it takes so long to scan them ;_;

http://img259.echo.cx/img259/5462/pic015su.jpg
http://img217.echo.cx/img217/3871/pic029wp.jpg
http://img217.echo.cx/img217/5479/pic034yt.jpg
http://img217.echo.cx/img217/9846/pic058mk.jpg
http://img217.echo.cx/img217/8281/pic046yc.jpg
http://img217.echo.cx/img217/7536/pic086jg.jpg
http://img159.echo.cx/img159/9728/pic097ha.jpg
http://img159.echo.cx/img159/4991/pic103zc.jpg

I ahve more, sorry for the quality, wanted to post though. Don't beat me up, and thank you incredibly to Dan1989, for picking me up and getting on my ass about posting. I'll get some more right quick!




Have to work on Arm to head to body ratio, and where the ear is on the head. And the actual arm itself, not just the hand. I got lotsa work to do X_X

[ChaoticKnight]

hey man nice work.
You can definitely draw, but as you said in my sketchbook, value does seem to be dificult for you. What I can recommend is to paint, if you havent already done so. Even if its just acrylics, understanding color theory can lead to a greater understanding of value. Also, it looks like any shading or value youve used is rushed. shading is not a quick process, it requires the artist to go over and over the paper with his/her pencil to make sure it looks smooth, whether the area is super-dark or not. If its a light area, but shadow is still present, lightly fill out that area as if it were a coloring book. leave no white underneath, and erase towards the lighter areas if neccessary. Some value theory books might also be beneficial to you.
Good luck!

[jayneko]

Neat stuff. Red pen! ;)

Improving tons! I'd say, try making long lines instead of short ones. It'll look nicer and cleaner. Even though the sketchy look gives it life and movement, too many lines confuses.

Keep it up!

[bumskee]

Hello,

did someone say 15???? my god, what the hell was I doing when I was 15!?!?!.. :) some good stuff here, it's good you are drawing. As people have already mentioned anatomy study will do you good, also perspective drawings too.

I think those scribbly lines come with not having confidence, I tend to do that when I am drawing something I am not sure of. As you can see in your drawings, faces have more defined/stronger lines, obviously you are more comfortable drawing these. The girl seems to suffer the most. Why don't you free up those lines, just think in terms of mass and form, see what you come up with. If you get bogged down on details at early stage you tend to forget the big picture. I think you should also have a go at drawing BIG from time to time. on some large paper.

As for shading, don't think about techniques, it will come to you naturally. I think the idea is to understand values or form, I think they are closely related plus other thousands of things.

I think someone at the start of the thread mentioned long drawings, I think it was more to test out your patience. :) it's a long process, this drawing business, I only recently had a glimpse of how much I have achieved and how much more I have yet to go before I am happy. devastating really. I think it's a good idea you sit down once in a while and spend 3~4 hours on a piece, just to get your patience level upto scratch.

Look forward to seeing more.. keep drawing.

Min

[Pixeldragoon]

I should invest more time, especially during summer, but my parents have me working, plus I dont have a comfortable drawing space, and I dont have a car or a license, so I can't go anywhere =( But thanks for the crits!

[Pixeldragoon]

Sorry for the update so soon, but hey- I thought I should put insome more effort after not posting for so long, eh?

http://img231.echo.cx/img231/1294/pic111ik.jpg

My first sketchbook paint. It says "Sweet Nothings"

The rest are pretty much (s)crap sketches

http://img231.echo.cx/img231/350/pic121yd.jpg
http://img297.echo.cx/img297/7/pic136eh.jpg
http://img297.echo.cx/img297/2400/pic146km.jpg
http://img297.echo.cx/img297/1133/pic153io.jpg
http://img297.echo.cx/img297/738/pic161cq.jpg
http://img297.echo.cx/img297/2281/pic179mf.jpg

And lindsay's (<3) foot
http://img297.echo.cx/img297/1930/pic184ri.jpg

[Dan1989]

New stuff is really cool, very fun stuff. I agree with what the previous people have said, it's great advice, make use of it :teeth:

[Pixeldragoon]

I just saved over a hundred pages of Loomis to my HD, so I should be getting some good practice in, eh? It's too bad my parents don't allow me to pull all nighters. I get in trouble for that. =(

[jayneko]

Yeah, thanks for the Loomis link. ;) Printing stuff out myself.

Keep it up!

[Aremah]

I wish I was anywhere near your level when I was 15. I'd be a hell of a lot better right now.

One piece of advice I have to give you (pretty obvious, but still) is draw a lot from life, and I mean A LOT. Not only people. I had always neglected it, and am seriously suffering because of it right now (or rather, my art is). And don't try to enhance stuff - just draw what you see carefully.

That being said, I do believe it's impossible to draw nudes (both female and male, but especially the former, if you're a male) properly at your age. By properly I mean the little details that I sure as hell know I didn't pay any attention to when I was fifteen and buzzing with hormones - those that mostly have nothing to do with the things you'd associate a nude woman with. The devil (and the pleasure) is in the little details you can only come to appreciate in time. ;)

But don't let that discourage you by any means - draw, draw, draw and draw! :)

[Pixeldragoon]

THanks for answering. Yeah, I constantly wonder what toher 15 year olds draw like, I wish more professionals would keep their stuff as a kid. Anyways, did 2 loomis studies today-
http://img246.echo.cx/img246/5934/pic195zs.jpg
http://img246.echo.cx/img246/194/pic208if.jpg

I made them a bit too big =(. oh well! I'm gonna kick my own ass to keep this thing updated. And my site too, incase it's not in my sig http://pixeldragoon.sitesled.com =D

[jayneko]

Hehe, you don't wanna see the crap I did when I was 15.. ;)

Lookin' good. The sketchy lines are still there but you'll grow outta them the more you practice. I'm not an anatomy nut so I really cant say if all the bones are alright but they look fine to me. Now try more detail, and spending more time on each piece. Perfect it until you pass out! x_X

Random question. What pencils are you using?

[luxun]

i like what your doing in those last ones but i agree with the others that your lines are very sketchy, and need more confidence behind them. i as a 15 year old have problems drawing women as well and should probably practice them a lot more. but laqts see what the summer vacation brings of improvement, for both of us.

btw. i can stay up all night and draw if i want to as you know:confident
muahahahaha :wink:

[Pixeldragoon]

I have more pics ready, but if I leave this chair, my bro wil jump on the computer =(, so I'll update them soon!

[Dan1989]

Great, finally hitting the loomis stuff! The Anatomy studies are great, especially the second page of them. I disagree about growing out of the sketchy lines, I don't think they will go away if you ignore them, you will just keep doing them and they will become a habit that plagues you. You have to make a conscious effort to better your lines. I'm not saying rush out and start trying to make your lines perfect all at once, but just keep the above in mind. Keep up the great work!

[jayneko]

I didn't mean ignore them. I meant practicing drawing longer, smoother lines rather than short choppy ones. ;)

[JustinBeckett]

Your getting better buddy! Hang in there!

I will check back on ya soon :D

[Pixeldragoon]

I GOT MY TABLET!!! FINALLY!!!
http://img24.echo.cx/img24/9624/sketch11bh.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

First sketch. It's horrible, but it's excellent practice! =D I'm so happy. Intous 2 9x12. I told someone ti was I3, but I guess I read the description wrong. Who cares? I don't!

[incognito]

You've got some good dedication going here. Nice updates. Though I think you still need more practice with anatomy and technique, especially now that you have a wacom and can use color freely. Just keep it up man, you'll be great in no time.

[Dan1989]

9x12? Awesome, all I have is a crappy 6x8 graphire >.<

[Quinster]

Lookin' good, it has potential. Work on the choppiness and try to develop a style and it'll look great. :}

[Profil]

Don´t forget pencil. Study more skulls and face anatomy.
Keep it up.

[JustinBeckett]

Yeah these are all really great, but really dude you need to get outta that sketchy ness you do all of your drawings are soo scratchy/sketchy it ruins what your really drawing, try shading smoother.

[Pixeldragoon]

I'm too impatient to shade competently. I updated my site, and heres some more shadoodles. less 'scratchy', just round.

http://img44.echo.cx/img44/1193/pic274ce.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/8695/pic251ve.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/2711/pic263zi.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/5538/pic287kg.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/8632/pic299cg.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/197/pic302tg.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/3212/pic317my.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/8683/pic326ph.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/1152/pic324zf.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/4066/penandink7eb.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

And thats all for now folks. some paintings coming soon!

[sula_nebouxi]

You must must must learn to fully render a drawing out. It teaches you many of the basic skills of an artist and it carries over to everything else. You said that you wanted to get into Ringling. Patience and finishing skills are what they want to see. They want to see you put an effort into your drawings. You must be able to sit and draw something for at least 2 hours. Can't get a model? Draw yourself or a still life. Still lives are perfect for learning to finish a drawing. You'll get away with quick sketchy stuff at CalArts but not at Ringling. It's all about patience.

[Dan1989]

Listen to what sula said, he/she knows what they're talking about. Still, it's good to see you drawing anything.
And thats all for now folks. some paintings coming soon!
Remember, most painting problems are drawing problems, if you have too much trouble, you probably need to come back to drawing.

[bumskee]

Your figures certainly have improved a lot. And listen to above advices, very good. Wish I had someone to tell me all that stuff, but also it's good you are drawing. If anything "Patience" is very important, it will help you through all those annoying times.

Min

[Pixeldragoon]

Sorry, this one isnt sized down, and Im still working on smoothing out the rendering, but I spent an hour and fifteen minutes on this page, No reference used (To let me see what I already know about value)
http://img253.echo.cx/img253/8049/scan2ys.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[luxun]

i think you are progressing, but you still work real sketchy. and i think the rendering seems kinda random. otherwise your on the right track i think:)

[Pixeldragoon]

http://img297.echo.cx/img297/3627/scan00253mm.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Damned scanner decreased quality again. Am I supposed to be smudging this stuf? Cause I'm not. This is a self portrait BTW

[Pixeldragoon]

I smudged it with the only weapon in my arsenal, my index finger.

http://img74.echo.cx/img74/7580/scan00268ps.jpg


It quite possibly looks alot worse

[Pixeldragoon]

http://img291.echo.cx/img291/4761/untitled1mv1.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Here's a sneak peek at a pic I started on. It began as sketch practice with a tablet, and its grown. I hope to add it to my digital portoflio, so alot of work is oging into it. =D Hint: Look at the navigation pallette to see the base undersketch.

[luxun]

i hate smudging personaly but looks like you took time on the rendering and thats good, as for the digi one i think you should show it at 100% because right now it looks pixelated and hard to crit.

[jayneko]

Ey there. More crits-a coming your way! ;)

Good thing you're trying values and shading and such. Practice makes perfect. I know I'm not the one who should be making lotsa crits since I've been a lazy ass this summer and have hardly drawn anything, so you get 10 points for being constant! ;)

On the self portrait. I know you don't like spending too much time in one piece, put patience is very important in any art. Take triple the time to make sure everything's in the right spot, measure, re-check, make sure it's not slanted. Once you're satisfied then begins shading lightly... Myself I work from very light and work my way up to the dark tones..and I guess many work like that. Try to see surfaces like..very old 3D models. Flat faces. That'll help you figure out what tone there should be on the lower lip, under the eye, on the cheek, etc.

I don't know if I made myself clear... x.x I just confused myself. ;)

Once again I wonder what pencils you're using. Try using soft pencils (The B kind). They smudge easier and you can get more values out of them than normal pencils. Some people use smudging sticks, personally I use my finger and some kleenex sometimes..If I find any in the bathroom. ;P

Keep it up. Try working your values until your drawing seems to lose all its lines. I'm not at that level yet, but that's what we should be aiming for.

The sketchy lines are beginning to go away me thinks. :) Like I've said before, try sketching light and then trace a darker long smooth line once you're happy with the pose and proportions and shapes and stuffles.

Now I'll get off my lazy ass and draw some. ;) You're making me look bad! ;)

Cheers! :yayca:

[Dan1989]

I would advise highly against smudging, if you can't achieve a satisfying result without it, no amount of smudging will help, it's like the icing on top of the cake, no one wants to eat just icing without a cake underneath. Although, the smudged version does look somewhat better, I would still advise against it at this point. I think the biggest problem is the lack of contrast, the rendering seems somewhat random, a way to avoid this is to pick a few values (usually no more than four) and stick to them. This helps to avoid randomness, because when you have an infinite numbert of values, the tendency towards randomness is much higher, working with just a few values will force you to organize your values, organization is key. Don't forget about line either, light and shade weren't even used until the early renaissance, being more confident with line will make contruction on tonal drawings easier. Ok, sorry for rambling, good luck!

[Monkeylizard]

THANK YOU.

Finally someone posts in my sketchbook...
I'd like to critique of you work, but honsestly I have no clue what I'm doing in this whole "art" thing.
:blah:
But it does look great! You're further ahead than me when I was 15 and 6 months... :dead:

[Profil]

Like dan said.
Also, think as it like sculpting, divid everything into planes, see where the light comes from and then you make the darker parts dark, etc etc.
Here is a very good example from I.was.ink:
http://iwasink.visiblesurface.com/Art%20Center/head%20drawing%20notes/head%20drawings/planessp.jpg

see how he divided everything into planes and then shaded? It´s a good exercise, at least you got to think that way when you draw. If you are drawing from reference, it is good to know the anatomy of a face because you know how the forms and planes will bend and twist at the picture.

[Pixeldragoon]

It's very tempting for me to Self portrait myself from a photo, but it's better rpactice from a mirror.

Thanks Dan on the shading advice, I'll try that. I did a value scale last night to work on making one straight value, not a bunch that look like one when mixed together.

I think the smudgin looks worse, and I only did it because Sula told me too >=P j/k. but yeah, I was somewhat more satisfied with the unsmudged version. It's fun working in sections. Right now I'm at Value skills and Sketching Techniques that I ahve to learn. Afterwards I guess will be color theory. What fun!

[Pixeldragoon]

http://img99.echo.cx/img99/2016/untitled5ex.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

That's about as done as it's going to get. The resolution was jsut too low for me to continue working. But I did learn alot about OC with it, so it's not all a loss. =)

[Pixeldragoon]

I have here a delightfully crapy scanned pic. It really loks alot better in real life, Ihate how the scanner does this.
http://img76.echo.cx/img76/9663/scan00271xt.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Dan1989]

The last one is better, it looks like you paid more attention to values, because I can tell the difference between highlites, half-tones, and shadow in this one. LIke I said before though, it would prolly look better with more contrast, but it's still an improvement since the values are more organized, next time try to boldly state your shadows, get them as dark as you can, a white page can be intimidating, and can cause you to work only in a limited value range if you're not careful. Keep up the good work.

[Craig Houghton]

Hi pixel. Others have mentioned slowing things down even more, and I think there's real wisdom there. When you think of each sweep of the pencil as if it were an ink-brush stroke one is much more likely to avoid the scratches while eliminating the need for smudging by patiently building up the darker values where they are needed.

Also, justin mentioned making things more smooth, but smudging isn't the way to go for that in graphite. I think he meant that you should achieve a smooth look via other means. Also, lots of ppl say no smudging, but it's rare to hear an explanation of why. Here's my reasoning: when smudging in graphite it's difficult to get sharp defined areas via the smudging itself, so instead one uses crisp linework in those spots. That leads to a drawing with parts that are smudged and parts that are formed using linework. It's not the smudging itself that causes the problem, it's the mix of the two. Just like mixing styles in one painting can lead to a mess, smudged graphite and linework are practically two different mediums, and it's tough to get them to work well together. On the other hand, smudging or stump blending works great in soft pastel or colored pencil etc (when consistent). So, instead, find some smooth-looking pencil works by artists you enjoy. Then, look close to see how they achieve that smoothness. Chances are, you'll see that you have to build it up with linework or pattern. I know you probably realize this already, but once you understand the 'why' behind how smudging can lead to poor drawings, it becomes even clearer how and why linework can lead to smooth drawings.

And, in regards to rendering forms, especially on something as complex as a face, break them up into planes and then render accordingly. I think Rodrigo (look for his sb thread) does an awesome job of doing this with his faces. Things are easier when you think, this whole plane is dark. This whole plane is halftone. etc.

Great work thus far! I'll be following the thread closely.

-Craig

[Pixeldragoon]

Thanks very much for the crits. I'd probably have another SP up but I am helping my grandma out and working on an animated sprite for a contest (Thus the word Pixel in my name)

Thanks very much for your detailed response. I've seen rodrigo's stuff, I'll have to go back and check it out!

[Daunting]

Very nice Pixel. Can tell you like to render a lot, but one thing that will help out that talent for rendering is thinking about form when you do it. It's more than just jotting down the values that you see you have to understand how deep a certain plane of the face goes all of that good stuff. And showing direction in your pencil strokes will greatly increase this depth. Should feel like it's being wrapped around the form, or is going along the form. Should really show it. Work on that and you'll be unstoppable. Already have proportions down pretty good but nobody should ever stop practicing the fundamentals.

[Pixeldragoon]

Ima do it again, only this time I'm going to hatch shade, in one constant direction, with probably only a few shades of shadow, for form practice. SOund good?

[Profil]

Looking just better and better mate:)

[~Faust~]

Hey man, i scrolled through your sketchbook and you have indeed gotten better from the beginning! :) Your are right, your shading still needs a lot of work. But I'm afraid smudging won't bring you very far. Unfortunately, I'm some kind of a beginner myself so I can't give you very much and profound tips. Perhaps you should draw more with a pen and learn some hatching techniques and convert them to pencil when you reached a certain level. Worked for me, anyways.

Take care!

[Sara-San]

I think people have summed it up well. No more smudging. ^_^ But it seems that you are working toward a more complete picture, instead of the general outlines and some shading.

It's good to see that you're taking more time on your pictures, it shows that you've built some character.. or something like that... *pulling sh1t from her arse*

[charcoalArtist]

Hey buddy, nice to see you are progressing along, I noticed you now have a tablet. check out this tutorial on how to draw using painter, the techniques should translate to other programs

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/17861903/

[JustinBeckett]

well you did improve a bit on the shading, but still got quite a bit of the sketchyness etc... you say your to impatient to get rid of the sketchyness/shade, well to be honest if you want to improve you should be patient, patients is a really good thing when drawing....If you dont take a fare decent amount of time, when your a beginner like this, everything is going to turn out looking, ugly..if you know what i mean, do me a favour, and try to draw something and take time on it, see what happends, no harm done.


Keep going man.


Justin.

[Pixeldragoon]

As a notice, I'm discontinuing this sketchbook, and starting a new one when school starts. Want to get intense for the remainder of the summer, with no distractions.

[gafmar]

I really like yer pixel dragon duude with the wings and the sword, I was just thinking thow what if you made his feet a little bigger?! just a suggestion. ;)

[MAD WILL]

You have much ideas and a big imagination, just draw more, in your free time