Sin City

[Modern Visionary]

Is it just me or does this movie just look ridiculously stupid?

Yea the whole vision of the movie may be diff but thats not what makes a movie, its the plot. Seems like the plot has been done a couple hundred times before. :nohope:

[Presence]

Welcome to Hollywood.

What is your point?

[Modern Visionary]

Welcome to Hollywood.

What is your point?
Its going to be a waste of money.

[davi]

it's based off one of the best comic books ever created and it looks awesome.

[hawaiianpunch]

Sin City WIL BE an AWESOME experiment in filmmaking. The plot DOES count, especially in action movies where one could totally fly over that point and go all style-over-substance on the audience. But, since the creator of the comic book, the man-god FRANK MILLER, is co-writing and -directing and the fact that Quentin Tarantino (a great director, but also an criminally underrated screenwriter) is directing one of the segments, I have little doubt that this will be great. Plus, all the behind-the-scenes footage and side-by-side comparisons with the comic book. Robert Rodriguez clearly cares about this one. He wants to make this a kickass movie. That's not something I got from him on Once Upon A Time In Mexico or the last two Spy Kids flicks. I mean dude left the Director's Guild in order to make the movie the way he wanted to: with Miller as co-director.

And, of any of all the comic book adaptations that are coming down the line, Sin City is the one story (or series of stories) that is the most filmable. Frank Miller writes like a script. There isn't much expository language. Not much hyperbole. Just the dialogue to get you into the characters and the atmosphere. That's why it and he is classic. Another reason why this movie is bound to work on the big screen.

Sorry, for the long response, but it really irks me when some people have off-the-cuff reactions to an announcement or whatever based on preconceived notions and don't back them up. Why awould it be a waste of time or money? Why couldn't Hollywood make a good adaptation (Spiderman??? the first Batman???)? Give me a reason and we can chop it up, but otherwise it's just a waste of space.

I will say to Modern Visionary's comment, "Yea the whole vision of the movie may be diff but thats not what makes a movie, its the plot. Seems like the plot has been done a couple hundred times before.", that nobody's trying to go crazy like dude in A Beautiful Mind looking for the one truly original idea. Yeah, everything has been done before. The Matrix, if we want to be honest about it, is a mishmash of anime, comic book, and theological cliches. What made the movie revolutionary was the way it was presented. It was something that the majority of moviegoers haven't been exposed to before, haven't seen on the big screen before. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, while being an awesome movie with a wonderful and "original" screenplay, was basically a tragic romance the likes of which have been done since men knew how to put pen to paper. It was the way it played out, the visuals, that made it resonate with people. It's look got it attention in the media and geeked people out on boards like this one. What I'm trying to say is, look, take a movie for what it is. Look at the talent behind it. Look at their motives for making it. If it's an adaptation then compare it to the original. In other words, interact, don't react. Yes, Hollywood makes a huge amount of shit that could drive a normal person insane, let alone what kind of physical and emotional damage could be done to a geeky fanboy like you and me. But, it still has the ability to shock and amaze, inspire and bring out emotions you never thought you had. You don't just have to go to the local arthouse or backroom coffeeclub screen to see good movies.

DON'T BE CYNICAL. LOOK AROUND.

(end of rant)

for examples of filmmakers who care about their creations look at this interview with Paul Greengrass, the new director for the Watchmen. He knows what he's talking about:

http://chud.com/interviews/1914

no hard feelings...???

[H.Evans]

can you explain why you feel that way about it(threadstarter)? you're not making much sense... i think it'll be cool

[hawaiianpunch]

BEWARE! SPOILERS AFTER THE JUMP!!!!

here's a link to screening reviews:

http://aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=19663

[Modern Visionary]

About the whole Matrix thing, the plot was stollen from a Short Story.

[cotron]

theyre making the watchmen into a movie?? i hope it turns out.... that book is so good... be ashame to muck it up in film format

[hawaiianpunch]

MV: Exactly my point. And Sin City is looking to be more than I had even imagined. But WTF everyone BUT Jessica Alba takes their clothes off? This really is NOT reality. :bashful:

[Ssenkrah Semaj]

Is it just me or does this movie just look ridiculously stupid?

Yea the whole vision of the movie may be diff but thats not what makes a movie, its the plot. Seems like the plot has been done a couple hundred times before. :nohope:

I am an aspiring writer/director and this movie looks incredible to me. A comic book movie that takes every single illustration into a live action moment. How can you not be interested in that concept as an artist?

This movie is NOT hollywood, they never altered from the graphic novel. If it was hollywood we would NOT see the writer of the comicbook as the co director! If this was hollywood the movie would not be a direct conversion of the comic even leaving itself devoid of COLOR. If this was hollywood, the movie script would have been rewritten, reformatted, shortened, and dummed down for audiences of all ages..it is not. This movie is anything but hollywood, just because it has several familiar faces do not believe it is of hollywood sir.

[nil]

About the whole Matrix thing, the plot was stollen from a Short Story.

while it may be true, it's hardly been proven.

WTF everyone BUT Jessica Alba takes their clothes off

:[

[Modern Visionary]

while it may be true, it's hardly been proven.



:[
You can kinda just sit and think about it.
The first Matrix was pretty much the only one with a deep plot. Second there was something but it was nothing to the first, third just blew ass.

[arghmisfit]

this movie looks pretty ill, can't wait to check it out.

i likehow they throw in bits of color everywhere, yet its still b+w :}

[0kelvin]

You can kinda just sit and think about it.
The first Matrix was pretty much the only one with a deep plot. Second there was something but it was nothing to the first, third just blew ass.

Wow, you should be like a lawyer or something.


Hawaiianpunch and Ssenkrah pretty much summed up what I had to say about Sin City.



0kelvin

[Modern Visionary]

Wow, you should be like a lawyer or something.


Hawaiianpunch and Ssenkrah pretty much summed up what I had to say about Sin City.



0kelvinhahah why?

[Prehistoric]

this movie is gonna blow every other comic book adaptation out of the water.

and modern visionary, if you've never read the comics, i suggest you do so right now. it's not always about originality.

this comic is visceral, unapologetic, and strangely poetic and romantic.

it's gritty and dirty and nasty, and it kicks so much ass you'll be sore for weeks!

the visual imagery and characters carry this story, not some crappy hollywood dialogue and plot twisting.

give it a chance.

[bwkeough]

I just saw the trailer for the first time last night. Are they doing multiple story lines/vinettes? I know I recognized scenes and characters from the first sin city novel, a dame to kill and that one with the ninja chick.

I am very very impressed with how closely it resembles Frank Miller's art. Film Noir on steroids!

[Ssenkrah Semaj]

Yup they sure are, it will have a feeling similar to pulp fiction.

[Prehistoric]

the movie is comprised of 3 story lines.

sin city, the big fat kill, and that yellow bastard.

[bmo]

jessica alba should be forced to go to the premeire topless

[fixx]

I'm ridiculously giddy, looking forwards to go see this movie :D

[Sok N. Wett]

Modern Visionary - Have you even read the comics......Do you even know who Frank Miller is? Give this movie a chance, this is no hollywood movie I tell ya. It's going to blow alot of people away, even if they don't know who Frank Miller or Sin City is. It's the most dedicated transfer from comic to screen, and it'll be the best translated one, cause every single page, and dialogue from the books will be on screen, now tell me one superhero movie that has ever done that. Here's a link I posted on conceptart.org to get the 3 comicbooks, don't want to sound mean but shut up and read the comics :)

http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=432815#post432815

[Presence]

I think the film will be a success, it won't be an epic in terms of the narrative or design but it should prove to be a great popcorn flick.

I think that audience expectations have grown to such a spoiled and ridiculous level now with the success of previous films that have struck original chords in the industry that we have now come to expect those types of results every time we sit infront of the screen.

The superhero film is getting old, bottom line, the execs have done an exceptional job in raping the comic industry for material and it will soon have to come to a stop.

[MuffinMan]

i'm definitley seeing this!
so artistically filmed!
it's beautiful cinematography!

[Prehistoric]

in case anyone hasn't see it. here's the 11 minute "making of" video for sin city.

making of sin city (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=mf_frame&id=1808560210&mspid=&mfurl=http://mediaframe.yahoo.com/launch?lid=wmv-700-p.1350400-145981,wmv-100-p.1350398-145981,wmv-300-p.1350399-145981,wmv-56-p)

enjoy

[bRyaN]

I think the film will be a success, it won't be an epic in terms of the narrative or design but it should prove to be a great popcorn flick.

I think that audience expectations have grown to such a spoiled and ridiculous level now with the success of previous films that have struck original chords in the industry that we have now come to expect those types of results every time we sit infront of the screen.

The superhero film is getting old, bottom line, the execs have done an exceptional job in raping the comic industry for material and it will soon have to come to a stop.

What??

Robert Rodriguez left "hollywood (the Directors Guild, for those not in the know)" so Frank Miller can be co-director on the film...

He didn't apporach hollywood to this film...he asked Frank Miller himself...
And BTW, Frank Miller is the guy who wrote Sin City...had to mention because it seems you haven't a clue what you are talkin about...

And Sin City is eptiome of narrative and design..if this movie is as faithful to the comic as it seems to be...it will setting new bars....

[plsangel]

Ok, so here's a review of the movie by Harry Knowels of Aint it Cool News. Granted, he's a friend of Rodrigues and tends to gush zealously about the films he loves...but it whatever...reading it got me even more pumped (if that's possible). Check it out. Oh and Prehistoric's link is sweet. Loved it. thanks

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=19700

[CoNTRoL]

i thought it looked interesting until i saw the most recent trailer and several film clips that sucked cactus.

The use of limited color is composed poorly and is an eye sore.

I've never been a fan of Robert Rodriguez, except for the bar shootout in Desperado, though his band isnt too bad. As a director i think he is mediocre.

[jstadabbler]

i dont care what anyone says. I want to see this movie. Period. I just love the fact that comics (and all kinds too) are getting a better rep now than they used too.

my 1 cent.

~jstadabbler

[Sok N. Wett]

Dildo....I mean Ditto

[Ssenkrah Semaj]

Very insightful statement Control. I have to say I am getting a little worried myself, the constant use of green screen makes a lot of the environments in Sin City look 2 dimensional. The first trailer looked spectacular (especially with that music), but the recent clips don't have that same in-your-face-action-non- stop-twist-around-every-turn beat I was hoping for.

[jstadabbler]

there was a good review for the movie in the local paper. 4 out of 5 stars, rating it as Very Good. So i guess worth the money, though maybe matinee just to be safe.

i knew i had heard of Frank Miller from somewhere. I totally forgot he had done the Knight comics (the Batman ones in the '80s - i can't recall the whole name because it's friday :bashful: )
So...yeah....cool...

[klinesmoker]

I live here in Wyoming, where Constantine was too much contreversy to be shown for very long. The camera work and dynamic characters in Sin City are making me think of a day trip outta here just to see it. Every movie has its complainers. Hell, I'm tired of all the LoTR yak, you can't get everything perfect. For my part, this movie looks like it might just be one of the most incredible movies ever.

[cotron]

ima see it tonight

[Wisdom_Cube]

:tihi: Just saw it. I loved the comic books, and this movie was AWESOME! You guys will like this movie a lot the stories were great, the shock factor was great, everything i wanted in a movie.And the acting styles for the charecters and the feel of the movie were what i was just expecting (some people may complain about the acting) for the feel of the comic books. Next up on my waiting list is War of the worlds and Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.

:tihi: eeeeeeeee *shakes with glee*

[darth massacre]

Not gonna psych myself up for the movie (I AM going to go watch it) but I didn't like the comic book. Hey we have our preferences :D

[dns2k]

it was bad ass... shot for shot from the comic book. i really like how it was done similar to sky captain allowing for a greater correlation between the comic and the film. i can truly say it was bad ass! i agree with davi saying its one of the best comics of all time and is one of the best comic movies of all time.

-dns

[0kelvin]

Oh man! Oh man oh man OH MAN! That movie kicked so much ass my balls are sore (in a purely figurative sense). It was so good it kicked the projector's ass and we had to sit in the theatre for fifteen minutes while they fixed it (got free tickets out of it so I just might go see it again.)

Every frame oozed with love.



0kelvin

[jmascho]

holy shit that movie was badass.

[cotron]

:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

[Rkhon]

Too cool, too fucking cool.
Loved ever single damned minute of it.
Gonna watch it again by the end of this weekend.


And a movie that earned that R rating...(potential spoiler)...

there was even the glorious act of ripping off of the genitals.

[Ssenkrah Semaj]

Saw it last night as well and all I can say is if you are going to see it be prepared for one helluva rollercoaster ride! **** out of 5

P.S. who knew the mom from Spy Kids 1-3 had a body like that! Damn!

[oracrest]

. . . . that sucked cactus.



hahahaha, cactus....

[cotron]

P.S. who knew the mom from Spy Kids 1-3 had a body like that! Damn!

that's where she's from! holy crap, I can never look at spy kids the same way again.... she was naked almost every shot she was on screen :perv:

[Ssenkrah Semaj]

she was naked almost every shot she was on screen :perv:

and I enjoyed every second of it! :perv:

[jetpack42]

i thought it was ok. never read the books. it had its moments of enjoyment, and disgust.

ok is my vote.

I liked the trailers better then the actual movie.

[thomasaurus]

Fucking badass. Best comic movie I have seen, it stayed so damn true to the original material.

I'm trying to find out which scene Tarantino directed, the entire movie is so unified style-wise.

I loved Marv, and Kevin. Oh god, Elijah Wood did such a fucking good job at Kevin.

[Ssenkrah Semaj]

From Star magazine "Quentin Tarantino was guest-director for a cruelly funny scene between Benicio del Toro, as a dead man, and Clive Owen, as the man who killed him and imagines the corpse can talk."

[oracrest]

just got back from it......now THAT'S how you make a comic book movie.

[Prehistoric]

I'm trying to find out which scene Tarantino directed, the entire movie is so unified style-wise.

i'm just about to go see it now. Tarantino directed the scene in "the big fat kill" storyline where dwight is talking to the dead cop in the car as he's driving to dispose of the bodies.

oh man, can't wait. just another 2 hours!

[dakoscwash]

HOLY SHIT! Saw the movie last night and it was amaaaaaaaaaazing. All the characters were so damn cool. Miho was so damn cool, let alone Marv and the rest. Anyway, I'll definitely be seeing this movie multiple times.

[Sinix]

That was one good fucking movie. Great stories, great look, great everything. It feels pretty ironic that the guy who made this topic is named "modern visionary". Research before you make assumptions.

[Nineveh]

There are no words to express how much I loved that movie. I'm definately going to see it again at some point in the next week or so. It was brilliantly done, I've yet to think of a movie that I've seen that captured my full attention from the first second to the last. A-mazing.

[Sok N. Wett]

Fuck you guys, I have to watch it tomorrow, but shit you're all making me really anxious to see it......AHHHHHHH I can't wait any longer......tomorrow....just wait until tomorrow......

[The Iconoclast]

After watching every piece of Sin City footage on the net (10 minute ComicCon, 55 minute interview on NPR, full screen trailer2...), I have finally seen the movie.

And I am disappointed. Very disappointed.

Haha, just kidding. It
r o c k e d
and any Frank Miller fans should check it out. It WAS taken frame for frame and, with the exception of a few (5-6) lines, I think ALL of the script was DIRECTLY taken from the comics. This movie is not an adaptation, because there was almost no "adapting." <3

[Prehistoric]

FUCKING BRILLIANT!!

'nuff said.

i'm a huge fan of the comics and i was not dissapointed in the least.

[Xpose]

I just got back from watching it! and I really liked it! A bit long but other than that fantastic.

[Wisdom_Cube]

i knew i woke up with a reason today... *gets shot with arrow through the chest* heeyyyyy..... would you guys look at this its an arrow....shouldnt someone get me some medical attention....i think its starting to hurt.... :^^:

[PaulGanguly]

There was one inaccuracy

**SPOILER ALERT**







Ready?





Ok. Alexis Bledel's character, Becky, was shot and killed during the sequence in the alley, where Clive Owen's character Dwight turned over the head of Benecio Del Toro's character, Jack Rafferty.

It is likely that they opted to bring back the character of the Employee (Hartnett) because the opening sequece was originally shot as a sample of the visual style that Rodriguez intended to depict the rest of the film in. It's from another short that Miller wrote tangential to the rest of the Sin City series.

That being the case, that was the only scene in which Hartnett's character appeared, as his story was made prior to Rodriguez even recieving permission from Miller. He approached him with that sequence, as a declaration of intent for the way the rest would look.


So all in all there was a good reason for it.

[Ssenkrah Semaj]

They also took out the scene where Marv goes to his mom's house to pick up gladys and the whole back story involving her-his trusted gun.

[PaulGanguly]

Oh yeah, they omitted plenty, like the scene where Hartigan calls Lucille so that he can sign the confession and get out, as well as Senator Roark's speech at his parole hearing, not to mention the scene where Hartigan's wife questions him as to whether or not he actually raped Nancy.

Also, when he goes into Kadie's to find Nancy, and Dwight is there, that's when he still would have had his old face. So That Yellow Bastard actually preceeds the other two storylines by quite some time.





Boom shaka laka




</nerd>

[Ssenkrah Semaj]

Did anyone else find the Nancy-Hartigan romance disgusting?

[Sok N. Wett]

I'm going to see it today...wooo hooo in acouple of hours.

Ssenkrah Semaj - I do, funny he saved the girl from a child molester, only to become what he didn't want to be....but she's 18 so she's legal, to justify it....
Then again I want Nancy for myself...so I'm a little jealous. :)

[PaulGanguly]

She was 19.

She was 11 when she was kidnapped, and he was in prison for 8 years.




It was legal, but creepy.











But um...


I'm 19.

So, uh...

Y'know.

[Sok N. Wett]

Yeah i knew that whole thing cause I'vre read it alot but I keep forgetting that she was 11, kept thinking she was 10 at the time of kidnapping, and i like even numbers so that's probably why i got it mistaken.

Anyways I saw the movie finally, and it was all i hope for and i went back and check the comics to see the part they forgot to add in and there was a few, but still good none the less. They truly did a fine job, and the whole black and white thing was just crazy, I mean they really did a good job on that, and now I want to see more black and white films.

[Ssenkrah Semaj]

Sok n wett did u say black and white films :) ???? Here are a few of my favorites you have to see if you are serious:

Les Diabloque
Saboteur
Psycho (of course....you better have already seen this)
Citizen Kane (regarded as the best film ever made)
Dr. Strangelove
The Invisible Man
Seven Samurai
Hidden Fortress (George Lucas stole some scenes and plot ideas from it for Star Wars)

[patternagainst]

I saw it and I was thankful that I didn't pay for the ticket. I guess I just didn't really understand a lot of it, or I did but couldn't find anything significant about it. You could definately see Tarantino's style in it, but it's like that same style that he wore the fuck out of in Kill Bill. Not really a plateau film for Tarantino.

[0kelvin]

I saw it and I was thankful that I didn't pay for the ticket. I guess I just didn't really understand a lot of it, or I did but couldn't find anything significant about it. You could definately see Tarantino's style in it, but it's like that same style that he wore the fuck out of in Kill Bill. Not really a plateau film for Tarantino.

Tarantino only directed one scene, the one with Dwight in the car with Jackie Boy. Otherwise he wasn't involved at all.


Apparently the DVD is going to let you either watch the movie as a whole, or watch each story seperately as they appeared in the comics, with added footage (I assume the missing scenes with Marv's mom and such). I can't wait.



0kelvin

[Sok N. Wett]

Everyone is going to have their opinion, but I still give credit to the director's (Robert Rodriguez, Frank Miller, and Quentin Tarantino for doing one scene) for doing an outstanding job making a visual from the book, it was really cool,and each scene was like a panel. I thought it was spectacular, just cause they pushed themselves out of the boundaries of what a black and white film can look in present day, and I had to say those were some good moods, with shadows and lighting. Each frame was like a black and white photo, maybe it'll teach some people about composition in taking photography.

[Sammy]

I'm just chimin' in here guys --- but I thought the movie was just great! *just plain fun*

I don't think I've ever seen something so purristly translated from another media ---- it worked, it was Sin City ...... and I donno if I'm alone here, but I enjoyed it much much more than the graphic novels ---- I love Millers work, but the actors just added another level to the characters ... and Sin City has always been a character-study much more than a plot.

[darth massacre]

It was a well filmed, well directed movie. You know for sure which story you're in.


I didn't like the comic book though....so I didn't really enjoyed the movie as some of my friends did.



Reiteration, not a bad movie, just didn't tickle me.




Edit: Wasn't Bruce Willis last seen hanging out with the recently legal Lindsay Lohan?

"There is wrong and there is wrong and there is this" :teeth: Great line from the movie.

[The Iconoclast]

Edit: Wasn't Bruce Willis last seen hanging out with the recently legal Lindsay Lohan?

"There is wrong and there is wrong and there is this" Great line from the movie.

You're trying to imply something...

. . . Lindsay Lohan is in the next Sin City movie??? >:|

[darth massacre]

Hahaha...no I was commenting on Hartigan saying that to Nancy who is 19.


But then Bruce was seen hanging out with Ms Lohan. Which was pretty ironic if you ask me.

[hito]

I'm undecided[leaning toward disliking] on the movie.

visuals are great [bad sign in my book if its the first thing out of a someone's mouth]; so are the sounds.

story is disjointed, 3 stories _loosely_ linked, by the Strip Joint/Bar place. While it might work in graphic novel format, I don't think it works as a single movie.

Characters were all rather flat and straight forward. No internal struggles, no decisions, no changes in person. Every main character knows what they need to do and the audience has no trouble guessing from the beginning.

Overall it felt like one of those "I'm rich and popular and I can do whatever I want and people will love it no matter what" kind of deal. And that one shot of the hookers shooting down from the roof ledges is just plain dumb.

I can't vouch for the comic since I never read it. But seems [from reading through this thread] like the movie simplified things alot.

[jetpack42]

And that one shot of the hookers shooting down from the roof ledges is just plain dumb.


AHAHAHAHHA, I thought the exact same thing. That looked like something your neighbors would have filmed....well...if you have incompitent neighbors....

[thomasaurus]

Characters were all rather flat and straight forward. No internal struggles, no decisions, no changes in person. Every main character knows what they need to do and the audience has no trouble guessing from the beginning.

Overall it felt like one of those "I'm rich and popular and I can do whatever I want and people will love it no matter what" kind of deal. And that one shot of the hookers shooting down from the roof ledges is just plain dumb.

I can't vouch for the comic since I never read it. But seems [from reading through this thread] like the movie simplified things alot.

I agree with you. Sin City, both the comic and the movie, are the type of media thats quite stylized to the point that you're gonna get the lovers and haters no matter what. The characters were simple and straightfoward, and since I like most characters to be that way, I end up loving this movie.

Just saw it the second time, and my experience was better. Marv's approach to getting his way still makes me jump with joy.

"Sometimes I ask pretty hard" ahahah

[Scubasteve]

Lemme ask you boys a question. I havent read the comic, (seen the cover though) will I still enjoy the movie, or do you need to know the back story and all? I am interested in it, but know very little about it.

[fukifino]

I saw the movie without ever having read the comic and I still enjoyed it. Some cheesy stuff here and there (like the aforementioned hookers on a roof scene) but overall a very entertaining movie.

[look]

The whole movie has way too much blood and gore and disgusting elements.
But then again, it won't be half the movie it is without those.

I enjoyed the movie a lot, even though I had to push back the urge to throw up in some of the scenes.
Nancy-Hartigan thing isn't disgusting. It's simply a girl's dream, and the old man didn't even do much about it. All he did was push the girl away and got tied up naked in front of the girl. XD Although that relationship is disturbing.

[MoP]

Never read the graphic novels (didn't even know they existed until people started talking about this movie), but I totally loved the movie.

Marv is the most badass character ever.

Yeah, the movie was often very cheesy, but in the best sort of way. There were plenty of moments which really pushed the "cool" factor - that time when everyone watching the movie just thinks "Damn, that's so cool!"... hehe.

Very stylised, very violent, fun characters, pretty shallow but nevertheless a hugely enjoyable experience for me.

I might see if I can find the graphic novels now to learn more about Basin City and its denizens...

[Scubasteve]

I didn't care for it. Some of the acting was extremely hokey, the plot unfolded like a comic (i know it IS a comic) but it should have stayed that way. I also thought it was way over the top in the violence. But, it did look cool, and had a few cool moments. I didn't see the end, so I probably missed out on some of the relevance of the Bruce Willis character, but what did he have to do with the rest of the movie?