how come i never have fun?

[MuffinMan]

man..i feel like most games are crap. :dur:
i just don't feel like they are fun anymore...
or don't feel like they have enough of this or that, there is always something in a game that i think should have been there or not been there...
i expect so much out of a game. think about HL2...that game and DOOM3 dissapointed me greatly. the weapons in HL2 were crap and DOOM3's ai was shitty and the weapons just weren't very good. the shot gun felt like a weak weapon.
god, what can i do to be able to have fun with them again...

[jmascho]

go outside.

[MuffinMan]

OMG...dude, it's fuckig cold and my snowboard is too small and i don't have the money to get a new one....AND it's nearly impossible to get a job in my area, but i've applied to many places and will soon get hired early this spring...
man, your not helping...

[darth massacre]

Then go draw!

[H.Evans]

/m\ \w/ :nohope: :moon:

[cotron]

:star: :star: :star: :star:

[MuffinMan]

i have been oil painting for half of this week and finaly finished the damn piece.... i did do a few drawings...go look in my sketchbook...

[MuffinMan]

:star: :star: :star: :star:

you suggesting i go out and get some hardee's or are you trying to inspire me?
:nohope: :nohope: :nohope: :nohope: :nohope: :nohope: :nohope:

[Lauren Short]

dude, just don't complain


i doubt you can make better games, first of all (and by saying the big titles dissappointed makes you sound like a pompous ass...)


maybe it's just me but i think you complain too much about games/computers/technology, just be happy, you don't like it? just go outside and do something or maybe...maybe we could...you don't think you might draw a bit? :O *gasp*



sorry to sound like a jerk, but yea, it doesn't do much good to complain about not being entertained by games, just don't play them then...

[H.Evans]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/hillartsympho/2470515_m.gif

[Elwell]

man..i feel like most games are crap. :dur:
i just don't feel like they are fun anymore...

You're growing up.:grandpa:

[SJ Bennighof]

You're growing up.:grandpa:

Bleah. What about the people who pursue careers in video games? You know, developers and so forth? Did they never grow up, or are they contributing to an art form?

[darth massacre]

I don't think muffinman's growing up.....HL2 and Doom3 WERE DISAPPOINTING to a degree despite the hype.


I just thought he bitches too much :dur: :dur: :dur:

[jetpack42]

...

lauren, every other post by you is "shut up and draw".

wtf?

let the muffinman entertain us

<3 ;) :dead:

[Lauren Short]

haha touche mike, touche

yea i draw here and there, but truly it is I that should be drawing more, you are correct sir! :bashful:

[MuffinMan]

yeah i have been doing more art lately..but the thing about me is that it takes a while for me to get an idea on canvas or paper...

*sigh* nowadays it's like i draw/paint, eat, sleep, repeat...
maybe it's tat i miss console games and those controllers...
i've been wiht PC games for a year and haven't really played a console for more than a half-hour at game stores.

you know how things get when you turn 17...

[tinyhands]

well FPS games are all mostly the same, and mostly gay imo. j/k not really but those kinds of games are only fun with big groups. Unfortunately more and more games aren't being designed with a single player in mind as much, depending on the genre. Get a Neo Geo..... no seriously.... :)

-tiny

[rothgar]

One thing I noticed was I was always dissapointed with most of the games I'd followed throughout the development cycle. Once I stopped bothering to hunt down every imaginable screenshot/blog entry/hype mongering ad I found I enjoyed the games I found more.

[MuffinMan]

yeah..all that hype and bullshit makes the game your so excited about no fun...
i wanna see more RPG/FPS hybrid games...talk about deus ex, and stalker...i gotta get stalker. i hope that game doesn't dissapoint me like the others did...

[Sok N. Wett]

I've played alot of PC games, being a huge PC fan and all, I find the controls on the consoles difficult for me in FPS, but great for fighting and action games. I'm glad I've tried alot of the new games that came out, but I get bored with them really quick. Go outside and have a life without games for awhile, you'll probably enjoy that better.....and your 17? all this time I thought you acted like a 15 year old still coming to terms with puberty :) When getting ideas on paper try just drawing shapes and stuff to get a form going, the idea will come later after you've seen some shapes that you can grasp an image of, that's where most good ideas come from, by accident in a way. I should say go and draw more, but my lazy phat ass haven't drawn anything for awhile, cause I've been trying to get out more. Oh and think before you type, cause i'm waiting for that special quote from you to put in my sig :P

[Rkhon]

Gam3z Pwn U Nub!!!11!!

[MuffinMan]

I've played alot of PC games, being a huge PC fan and all, I find the controls on the consoles difficult for me in FPS, but great for fighting and action games. I'm glad I've tried alot of the new games that came out, but I get bored with them really quick. Go outside and have a life without games for awhile, you'll probably enjoy that better.....and your 17? all this time I thought you acted like a 15 year old still coming to terms with puberty :) When getting ideas on paper try just drawing shapes and stuff to get a form going, the idea will come later after you've seen some shapes that you can grasp an image of, that's where most good ideas come from, by accident in a way. I should say go and draw more, but my lazy phat ass haven't drawn anything for awhile, cause I've been trying to get out more. Oh and think before you type, cause i'm waiting for that special quote from you to put in my sig :P

yeah...i'm kinda growing up...sometime i just don't. But then again, there comes a time when you have to in order to move along wiht the rest of society.

[Scratch N' Brain]

Im going through the same damn thing you are man. When you get obssesed with games it;s like a drug. You play so many u need more and more to make you feel happy. LOL. Thing is they start to drown each other out and now you just dont expect anything anymore. People who make games LOVE games but some ive talked too dont play that much anymore because they want to create now not play. Thing is you probably need a break from em as do i.

Thing is youve played so many now you start compairing them to others and others oppinions it makes you judge more then actually playing the game and judging it against itself, what makes it fun? Etc etc... Im rambling so ill quit.

OMG my problem rightnow is i cant make up my mind on what mmorpg I want to play... I never have one charecter i make numerous ones and i cant get passes level 20 on any of em lol. Im taking a break from games rightnow. Concentrating more on studies by then im sure ill find an interest again.

[acuna_read]

Get a pushbike, get some camping gear, (borrow it if need be). Take enough food and stuff +extra for a few days and have a long weekend. Spin around for a bit, then stop. Ride that way for a day or two. Draw whatever you like on the way or when you get to wherever you want to stop. Turn round, come home. It's alot more fun than you think ;)

[MuffinMan]

yeah, i'm a hardcore mountain biker...i have a scar that i kept from every wipeout. i got one long cot along my right arm...you can barely see it since my pubic hair is growing over it. but sadly i can't ride my bike since it's the winter...and i have a cold and i don't need to make it worse. i spend alot of tie outdoors in the summer and alittle in the spring...since it rains an awful lot in my area during spring.

i haven't played HL2 for like 3 weeks or any other game...like i said, i mostly just draw, chat, eat, and sleep. sometimes i do homework, lol...

[Rkhon]

The truth is....everything in moderation. If you spend too much time doing anything, you will get sick of it. Mix it up yo.

[cotron]

i got one long cot along my right arm...you can barely see it since my pubic hair is growing over it.

holy crap that's one hell of a happy trail!!

[AnarchyAo2]

You wanna play a cool game? Play Tribes 1 or 2. Its the only fun game I've ever played, and I played it for about 4 years. I'd be playing it now, but I just don't have the time.

[Sok N. Wett]

Cotron - LOL, nice I finally got a a nice ass muffinman quote to go with my sig....mwuahhahahah!! I claimed it in the name of the Queen!!!

[MuffinMan]

Cotron - LOL, nice I finally got a a nice ass muffinman quote to go with my sig....mwuahhahahah!! I claimed it in the name of the Queen!!!

dude...i accidentally spelled cut as "cot"....you may wanna change it...
also...i'm glad...i'm becoming quite infamous...LOL

[wes9000]

...and your 17? all this time I thought you acted like a 15 year old still coming to terms with puberty ....
Oh and think before you type, cause i'm waiting for that special quote from you to put in my sig :P
hahahahaaaha really, who knew?!


hahah cotron, what was it you were saying about posts of golden honey? :star:

[Prometheus|ANJ]

Yay! Finally someone who shares my pessimism about games today!

Don't get me wrong, it's fun to machinegun stuff in hallways, but there is a vast amount of great game ideas that haven't been followed up on. They're just sitting there back in 1980-90 teasing me with their potential, but all I get is one shooter ofter another.

I'm like, guys, can't you follow up on Paradroid? and they're like Nooo haha we're doing another shooter, this time there's sneaker elements that's the thing now ya know! We're thinking there's be various machineguns, maybe WW2 or anti terrorism with cool gasmasks and goggles!

Then I'm like but...but can you make something like Elite? and they're like haha no we'd rather do a story driven space shooter about "Slater - the ungrommed mercenary with an attitude" who's looking for his auntie's killer, wading through hoardes of pointless random enemies mission after mission...

Then I'm like well, Scorched earth was a nice game, how about a cool physics version? and they're like BEEEP sorry we can't deform terrain in 3D instead we're doing... another static world 3D shooter! We're thinking about having machineguns...

And then I might go, but puhleese, can I... and they're like ...have another 3D platformer with absolutely no controls cuz 3rd person is inherantly gay? Sure! We'll even throw in a cute character and an even cuter sidekick. Badly designed of course! Let's call it MAK... HAZ... BAK.... PAT Arrr it has to be three letters anyways!

So I go, how about Syndicate ... and they're like, yeah yeah like an RPG where you can level up like crazy and it's impossible to tell how dangerous enemies are because it's all the same enemy in different colors! Yeah yeah we could do that, again!


Then I abandon all hope and boot up the emulator.

[MuffinMan]

Yay! Finally someone who shares my pessimism about games today!

Don't get me wrong, it's fun to machinegun stuff in hallways, but there is a vast amount of great game ideas that haven't been followed up on. They're just sitting there back in 1980-90 teasing me with their potential, but all I get is one shooter ofter another.

I'm like, guys, can't you follow up on Paradroid? and they're like Nooo haha we're doing another shooter, this time there's sneaker elements that's the thing now ya know! We're thinking there's be various machineguns, maybe WW2 or anti terrorism with cool gasmasks and goggles!

Then I'm like but...but can you make something like Elite? and they're like haha no we'd rather do a story driven space shooter about "Slater - the ungrommed mercenary with an attitude" who's looking for his auntie's killer, wading through hoardes of pointless random enemies mission after mission...

Then I'm like well, Scorched earth was a nice game, how about a cool physics version? and they're like BEEEP sorry we can't deform terrain in 3D instead we're doing... another static world 3D shooter! We're thinking about having machineguns...

And then I might go, but puhleese, can I... and they're like ...have another 3D platformer with absolutely no controls cuz 3rd person is inherantly gay? Sure! We'll even throw in a cute character and an even cuter sidekick. Badly designed of course! Let's call it MAK... HAZ... BAK.... PAT Arrr it has to be three letters anyways!

So I go, how about Syndicate ... and they're like, yeah yeah like an RPG where you can level up like crazy and it's impossible to tell how dangerous enemies are because it's all the same enemy in different colors! Yeah yeah we could do that, again!


Then I abandon all hope and boot up the emulator.


exactly....ton's of game developers these days are working HALF-ASSED. mostly console game developers....and when it comes to PC game developers...they try way to hard to make graphics just perfectly real...woah, they need to slow down they are getting way ahead of our computers technology. they need to focus more on fun factor, gameplay and story.

slow down with graphics and speed up with gameplay and AI.

[Sok N. Wett]

LOL.....man I still love the classics like Secret of Mana, and Contra, and Jackal, cause it was easy to play and had alot of fun factor, yeah most games now are like whoa that graphic is the shit, and then it gets boring after awhile, check out F.E.A.R. it's another shooter but it looks like one worth playing it being a matrix/the ring theme going on. Most games now are let's add an interface here or let's give em all these buttons at their disposal, shit man just give me 2 buttons, I don't want to think too much when playing :)

[USER777]

whoa whoa whoa
what's with all the flaming in this thread, is it really necessary?
i kinda get muffinman's point, tho i dont play that much games anymore (i guess it's kinda normal when you're growing up, as elwell said)..

but i, too, have the feeling that most games i tried and saw lately dissapointed me.. i know i had soo much fun when baldur's gate 2 was released and it really sucked me in with its athmosphere.. but most games nowadays are too short to really make a point. sad, but true :^^;:

still waiting for the day when baldurs gate 3 will finally be released; hopefully manley will do some artworks for it (he did for the 1st and 2nd part, didn't he?)

[Red_Rook]

yeah, i'm a hardcore mountain biker...i have a scar that i kept from every wipeout. i got one long cut along my right arm...you can barely see it since my pubic hair is growing over it.


wait lemme get this straight you have pubes on your arm 0____o

[SJ Bennighof]

Yay! Finally someone who shares my pessimism about games today!

I have a feeling that you're talking in the rest of that post about Sony and Microsoft, the "serious" gaming companies. If my assessment is correct, then I would advise you to buy a cube and/or a DS and start experiencing innovation on a stick, courtesy of that wonderful company named Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft like to cram more memory and RAM into their systems and keep fine-tuning the same concepts on virtually the same engines for years and years. While this does occaisionally yeild great results, the plain fact is while Sony and Microsoft are still on the beach trying to make their sandcastle bigger and bigger, Nintendo's got guys on a dozen different beaches, seeing how well sand holds together on each of them. The majority of the gaming world these days keeps marvelling at the two huge sandcastles on their beach and not noticing the small ones on the other beaches. The fact that Super Smash Bros. Melee and its predeccessor are the only games of their type doesn't mean that they aren't totally amazing and more worth the time than many Sony and Microsoft big-names that I've seen.

Get into the Metagame. (http://www.smashboards.com)

[0kelvin]

You guys aren't giving today's games enough credit. Some amazing games came out this year that really pushed some boundaries. The industry goes through swings. For the last couple years it's been an a technology kick, with graphics, sounds and such all making huge strides. Great for the storytelling side of the games, but sadly adding little to the gameplay. But now technology has reached a point where the graphics don't need to get much better (though they will continue to do so), and progress is being applied in other areas. Physics, AI, etc. Gameplay technology is taking the front seat. Designers are getting all sorts of new toys at their disposal, and hopefully the industry is going to start encouraging them to experiment with them.

And not just with games either, the hardware itself is trying to evolve in this direction. While the Eyetoy was little more than a gimmick and the DS' double screen has yet to prove itself, the fact that companies are willing to experiment with new ways of playing games is encouraging. We haven't seen much of that since the horrible Virtual Boy fiasco (and who can blame them). Sooner or later they're going to stumble onto something interesting, if not fun.

The industry has its problems. Although it seems like such a liberal knee-jerk reaction, I'm going to lay much of the blame at the feet of big publishers such as EA. Because not only are they giant, faceless and inherently evil, they are also such an easy target.

All that aside, it blows my mind when somebody says they were disappointed with HL2. Is there something wrong with you (beside arm pubes)?!




0kelvin

[MuffinMan]

dude..i expected ALOT more out of HL2...
i still like farcry more than HL2....farcry really broke the limits than any other FPS game and it is sad as hell how nobody paid attention to such a great game. i loved how i could do my objectives in any motherfucking way. all the weapons were really good and realistic, the graphics were reasonably amazing, but the AI had it's problems...but i still had fun sniping a bunch of moronic mercs.

oh and by the way some of you have wondered about pubes on my arm...dude, you know when you reach puberty you gro more hair and have hair growing in new places...well yeah...i have hair on my arms and legs. just like most of you do... :rolleyes:

[Red_Rook]

you people sound like all these developers could be doing such amazing jobs but there just not trying. Some of the characters might have in your opinion moronic ai, but thats probably cause its really fucking hard to make good ai, have you ever tried to make it im curious? cause its probably a real chalenge. Back in the day pong was amazing, see how far weve progressed cause that wasnt that long ago. I think its evolving at an exponential rate and fuck dudes, in 10 years youl still be complaining about exactly the same things, even though they will have improved so much more.

[0kelvin]

Nobody correct Muffinman about his use of the word pubes, it'll be much funnier if he goes through life thinking all body hair is called pubes.



0kelvin

[Sammy]

man..i feel like most games are crap. :dur:
i just don't feel like they are fun anymore...
or don't feel like they have enough of this or that, there is always something in a game that i think should have been there or not been there...
i expect so much out of a game. think about HL2...that game and DOOM3 dissapointed me greatly. the weapons in HL2 were crap and DOOM3's ai was shitty and the weapons just weren't very good. the shot gun felt like a weak weapon.
god, what can i do to be able to have fun with them again...


Seems like you're just sticking with the 'shooter' genra, HL2 is amazing for a shooter .... but in general shooters have gotten stale.

It's expensive and time-taxing to try out newer and innovative games, but give something different a go....

can u tell us what kind of games you've liked in the past? Or games you've never tried that you were curiouse about?

The older you get, the more it dawns on you that games in general are just elaborate menues and selection ... takes a good one to get you outa' that mentality

[Jull]

I agree more or less with your view of games in the present time.

Developers repeat constantly concepts that worked commercially good in the recent past, pushed by the fuckevil marketing / sales / publisher. (I hope this doesn't mean people who want good-original-fun games are such a minority but perhaps an unknown range for marketing knowledge?)
There are a lot of innovative good (and fun!) ideas around, but not much producer who want's risk money in something unsure not probed by a marketing research. (at least outside japan :teeth: )

Solutions? A solution could be what Namco did with Katamari Damacy (for example), they do enough commercial games so they can "risk" their sales with a "not very" commercial game. I, as a rookie game developer will try to follow that approach because I have some nice (modesty apart :bashful: ) ideas and I don't want to die without them done, neither reading threads like this :teeth:
So it is also important the developer has to want develop this good games, because there are a lot of companies with a lot of money so they could do like Namco but they won't! So good and innovative games will remain as a minory -_-

Perhaps I mixed too much the Good/Fun Gameplay concept with the originality/innovation thing... Commercial games can have good and fun gameplay... no? :teeth: So... perhaps every developer should read this book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1932111972/qid=1107688506/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-0863336-6050535?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) before starting a new project.

[Prometheus|ANJ]

Yeah AI proved much more difficult to do than originally presumed. However, if you look at the bot AI in games it's quite pathetic. Q3 just shakes the aim randomly depending on bot skill (a=rnd(359):Xaim_offset=sin(a)*skill:Yaim_offset=-cos(a)*skill or something lame).

Why not give the aim a little mass so the bots have to swing it? The faster and further they swing the more inaccurate they are. This means:

- Bot aim will eventually stabilize on players not moving much.

- Bots no longer hit you as easily in close combat where players can get very confused (because they have to swing the aim a lot).


There's also 'If shot then always retaliate' stuff going on, rather than the bot gathering intelligence and then use weights and thresholds to change the current bahaviour.

I think the problem with AI is not how skilled it is. It's how predictable it is. I'd like to see the AI screw up and look natural when doing it. I'd like to hide behind the door and stab the AI in the back cuz it didn't just read my position from memory.

Both physics and AI is easier in 2D of course. 2D also has destructable terrain. It's also easy to read distances when you jump and stuff, plus the gameplay and map layout is easy to overview. Perfect for games.
Characters can be optimized to look good, and at the same time they read instantly since they are only seen from one angle.

3D has the big advantage of being in the same format of our world of course, but I think it's rather useless for games, even though it's pretty tempting to 'realify' designs.


Jull> that book (Theory of Fun game design) was somewhat bashed in the comments of a /. article. Apparently it was written bt The StarWars Galaxies guy.

[Marcatili]

all this talk about arm pubes is making me laugh hysterically!

here's my few bits-
remember when games used to be a few blobs chasing each other around a tiny maze to the sound of a few bleeps and bloops? I do...and those games were damn fun too.
Game technology and design has come a *long* way in my 22 years and has been the biggest reason personal computer technology has advanced so quickly in such a short space of time. Are games perfect? Of course they're not, they're bloody infuriating sometimes, especially when you get so much hype and they're so disappointing (muff, i posted in your vampire: bloodlines thread with that sort of complaint). But when I look at games like HL2 or Doom3 and other big titles of recent times I think 'damn...where will the game industry be in another 5, 10 or 22 years??'

second, the way you describe your need for bigger and badder games, the way that even the 'best' games don't satisfy you, it sounds to me like an addiction more than anything else. like everyone else has said- get out, do something new...shave your arm pubes and let's see that badass scar so we know you really are a mountain biking god. Go cold turkey and try a new hobby for a while- cross stitching could be fun.

Lastly- people have been making movies for ages...and writing books for even longer but we all know there's a hell of a lot more rubbish films and books coming out than really solid gold quality ones. My point? Who knows...

Along the lines of what you're saying Jull, most big film companies won't risk money on a film unless they are practically certain they will make their money back, plus profit. It comes down to directors and writers etc coming up with solid (but fairly cheap in comparison) ideas and finding a market for their ideas. The film industry is a little different though because of the festival culture where independent films and the like can be seen.

[Xen]

the only game i can think of now that still gives you a lot of freedom is gta. games like KOTOR and HL2 were really lacking that (although i can kind of understand why hl2 didnt do it, because the whole idea is that the cities are being occupied and people are being denied their freedom). it wouldve made them so much more awesome. just imagine being able to walk around in those huge star wars cities, like on taris. damn.. it probably wouldve made the game like 15 gb big though, but who cares? it wouldve been the greatest thing ever

[Rusty]

Arm pubes!!!..Muffin man,dont eva stop being yourself,your a one of a kind man,heh...

yeah,focus towards pretty graphics these dayz kinda ruined it 4 me for a long time,but then Farcry came out and i was pretty much "YIPPYYYYYY" a game that understands me,awwwwwwww...
then HL2 came out,now im all happy...never liked doom 3 that much to b honest,was poo poo :yawn:

...Jace

[cotron]

I think Muffin and HL2 had a fight, they were boyfriend and girlfriend a couple weeks ago...

[MuffinMan]

I think Muffin and HL2 had a fight, they were boyfriend and girlfriend a couple weeks ago...

lol, now that's funny.

well, some of you wondered if i have played any other games besides shooters.
i like RPGs as well...D&D type RPGs...morrowind was a really good one, total freedom! i can't wait for ES4:oblivion to come out! also, any game by bioware is good. AND whne will the next few games by lionhead studios ever come out!?

[Prometheus|ANJ]

Eobet showed me this, haven't played it yet, but it seems interesting: Cave Story (http://maxdamage.justblank.net/cavestory.htm).

[darth massacre]

Muffinman...pick up a copy of UT2004.....UT kept me occupied for ages.


Also Rainbow6, Ghost Recon - on my system since it came out. Then again I don't think many folks are interested in hardcore realistic military sims. <3

[0kelvin]

That Cave Story game's pretty fun! Despite the annoying music I'm loving it!



0kelvin

[MuffinMan]

Muffinman...pick up a copy of UT2004.....UT kept me occupied for ages.


Also Rainbow6, Ghost Recon - on my system since it came out. Then again I don't think many folks are interested in hardcore realistic military sims. <3

I HAVE UT2004! and i got bored wiht it already...not only that...it's always that at this time i'm on a server...adn there is always this moron who talks shit and hacks. or the server is fucking annoying and full of spams. i rarely play it...that i uninstalled it to free up space for some other games...i still play CS once in a while...

[Rusty]

teh ultimate game peasants quest (http://www.homestarrunner.com/pqtrailer.html) ...bit old but i can neva get enough of watching it.heh

..Jace

[jetpack42]

you know whats really fun?

HACKING ONLINE GAMES SO YOU WIN EVERYTIME! NOW THATS SKILLZZZ!!!!!

[Xen]

just played the cave story game. its pretty nice. the music is good too (i guess youve got to like chiptune'ish music to really enjoy that)

[MuffinMan]

sorry to say this, but the cave sotry game was quite shitty...sorry.
i'm too stuck wiht 3d graphics.

[tinyhands]

i'm too stuck wiht 3d graphics.

You poor thing. :nohope: you don't know what your missing.

-tiny

[nil]

sorry to say this, but the cave sotry game was quite shitty...sorry.
i'm too stuck wiht 3d graphics.

:up: the reason why you're stuck with shitty games. all the kids want the prettiest, most realistic 3d.

man, you gotta learn to appreciate the pixel art. every FPS is the same these days, the only difference between them is the art.

[Sok N. Wett]

Do some stop animations......I heard the Barbie and Ken dolls are excellent for this...when their naked.....loads of fun

[MuffinMan]

ok...some 2d games looked good. like guilty gear x. that game had very high res sprites.

[nil]

interesting article: http://slate.msn.com/id/2092798/

[one2hit]

I love the old school stuff, but I don't think 3D is useless for games...with the way the industry is heading with more powerful hardware, there's gotta be a way to make it work better. Some of my most fun gaming moments ever were with Halo 1, playing with a handful of buddies. Man....I haven't really been able to get into games since.

-nate

[MuffinMan]

i never liked the halo games, i just didn't dig the level designs and controls...
i just recently played halo2, nothing new...just sharper graphics, hijacking, and dual wielding...and sitll not so great level design.

i think FPS games need alot more interactivity and variety. they are all the same nowadays. i just got MoH:Pacific Assualt and it's not much different except that it's like a movie, very detailed graphics, better ai, some use of the havok engine (i didn't notice any use of it with the characters and enemies, still saw scripted animations...), the weapons are authenticly realistic and new medic calling. sometimes it gets breath taking...but still...i'm thinking about taking it back.

[Sammy]

*whispers*
...Maybe you should try something other than FPS shooters...

[bRyaN]

...Maybe you should try something other than FPS shooters...

Indeed...
Check Sammy favorite games list and currently playing in his sig, some excellent gems in there...

FPSs are all the same except for a select few....

[darth massacre]

Hehehe, muffinman is just one of the youngsters who get bored too easily these days.


Its perfectly normal in a sense....coz there are so many activities that give pleasure to the senses as our society progresses its just impossible to stop craving for new things that are fun.

That's why I believe in keeping myself in a bad condition. Little sleep (6 hours a day max), Fasting once a week for 24 hours (haven't been doing that lately), no food after 9pm no matter how hungry, deprivation of human contact for 24 hours once a month. No music, no TV, constant frequency noise for 3 hours a day (or more). Work out till muscle failure so you hurt constantly throughout the week.

Doing it consistently for one month will help us appreciate everything more.





















Of course I'm joking. :teeth: They only put you through that shit in boot camp.

[Sok N. Wett]

darth massacre - lol so true my bro and navy buddy told me all about boot camp.

muffinman - Whining and complaining about FPS is going to get you nowhere, GO OUT! Seriously, open your blinds and look out at society, there's a whole world of people you should be meeting with. There's no gummy worms and house made of bread here with lime cluster nuts mixed with caramel toppings to hold the sweetest chocolate ontop of the chimney, or even paved chocolate roads with mints for the linings between each intersection. Find your friends, go out, maybe get a sketch jam going, or even join one that might have already started in your area. NO BUTS! Just do it or i'll pop that gumdrop off your chest, and wipe away that filling off your smile. Other than that hey have a nice day :)

[Sammy]

It's easy to become bored with the FPS genra .... there really hasn't been much exploration and when it comes down to it, it's the simplest, most basic form of gaming. (that can be fresh for some, and a bore for others)

But the fact remains that FPS' games are still so 2 demensional to the point that they are not much different than navigating your mouse on your desktop.
And when spending a lot of time in FPS games, they start to lose their charm.

There hasn't been a lot of effort to breath personality into them ... I'd say Metroid Prime, and FarCry are the best examples lately of how things can start to change ... but still...

Top Down shooters are to the 1970's AS FPS shooters are to the 2000's

[MuffinMan]

It's easy to become bored with the FPS genra .... there really hasn't been much exploration and when it comes down to it, it's the simplest, most basic form of gaming. (that can be fresh for some, and a bore for others)

But the fact remains that FPS' games are still so 2 demensional to the point that they are not much different than navigating your mouse on your desktop.
And when spending a lot of time in FPS games, they start to lose their charm.

There hasn't been a lot of effort to breath personality into them ... I'd say Metroid Prime, and FarCry are the best examples lately of how things can start to change ... but still...

Top Down shooters are to the 1970's AS FPS shooters are to the 2000's


i know, i'm waiting for some kickass RPGs that are bound to be out soon, like the next baldur's gate and the sequel to Morrowind.

i just recently played beyond good&evil on ps2 when my bro came home for my brithday last week. it was an interesting game....it was alot of fun, it had an interesting concept. very original. but, i got to this one point were i was stuck and got pissed. i may get a gamecube since my bro took his with him to college. they are cheap aren't they? well, if i do get one i'll get RE4, metroid prime echoes, pikmin 2, what else? nintendo has great games.

but really what i need most is a damn car. decent...not too shitty, something i can afford and drive for a while.

[nil]

you see, morrowind, metroid prime etc., as good as they are, they're basically FPSs. you might want to try someything different!!

if you're getitng a GCN, get Mario Sunshine, can't recommend it enough. i've heard good things about Viewtiful Joe also, but I'm too poor at the moment to buy it. Pikmin 2 is apparently better than the original (again, haven't played this myself). If you're looking for Resident Evil games, I'd go with something other than 4, just because it's another shooter (again, haven't played it myself). also, i'd avoid the rebel assault games. i've only played rebel assault II, and it was pretty good, but it's not great, and it gets stale pretty fast (especially with ridculously weak ships in the later levels).

[MuffinMan]

now that i think of it, almost all games have a thing that makes them FPS, it feels like every game is an FPS.

although i have played viewtiful jow, it was great...hard sometimes but super fun! i played mario sunshine and got bored iwth it, it didn't feel true to the original mario games so i didn't like it...i still prefer mario 64 over sunshine.
pikmin was so interesting and funny to play. i like RE4 over any other RE game, becuase it is the best RE game ever made after RE2, RE2 was really good. but now RE4 has really proven worthy of playing.

[darth massacre]

FPS games are fun in a way.

I don't really play FPS for the sake of FPS. Its more fun when you're playing with your usual group. It builds teamwork and promotes communication during the play. It really helps in paintball :perv: my buddies and I do talk more, signal more and plan more when we play. We don't win all the time, but now we lose less. Of course multiplayer FPS gives us the edge over others, it doesn't help at all in terms of physical fitness. :teeth:

Other genres like RPGs take up too much time......I never really liked RPGs (except for character creation in the beginning....that's why I dislike Japanese RPGs) RTS have a steep learning curve that's actually rewarding and enjoyable if you invest time (that I don't have) on it. So it doesn't make much sense to get into something that takes too much time to pick up....and FPS gives the most instant "feedback" since its got more or less a universal control scheme (same keyboard and mouse functions across a dozen or more popular FPS games). The only learning curve are the nuances of each weapon and the physics of the game. Also I prefer a more realistic, military type FPS (as with all my buddies) so that really narrows it down to the very few games that we do play. However though I must say, I enjoyed Morrowind and the expansion packs (esp bloodmoon).

Now that I'm back in school again, I have more time to play games once more....at least I'm not missing out on other genres. :dur:

[Lauren Short]

joo're not vacking enuf!



...that and maybe you should get some fresh air...or a girlfriend....



















...that is all

[Prometheus|ANJ]

MMORPGs r0xx0rz my b0xxorx! I love pressing that attack icon and see the damage come up!
Check out the grass foliage, just some years ago they couldn't do that stuff!!!1
http://web.telia.com/~u48508900/wow.gif


Here's Doom III as it actually plays and looks, The 'real' Doom III is actually an illusion - HYPE, level 3 (contagious), can only be cast by larger developer entities.
btw. check out the bevels on the map!
http://web.telia.com/~u48508900/doom3.gif

[oracrest]

I seem to be having a hard time finding most games fun these days as well. There something I had when I was a kid that added this whole mysterious elements to gaming as a whole. Like I wasn't aware of all the games out there, so when I came across a good one, it was like finding a map to buried treasure. Nowadays, it seems that the industry is getting bigger and bigger, companies are pouring more and more money into each game, which ultimately leads to a streamline of design. Games aren't as innovative as they once were, and aren't as willin got take risks because of the amount of money invested in them.

Rare is the game made nowadays that isn't a direct derivitive of a gameplay design developed in those early days.

It seems like the old days of NES, when games were just coming of age, the designers were still interested in developing new ways to present a game to a player. This streamlining can be seen at it's worst in any arcade you find. I guarantee most arcades you walk into will consist of fighting, racing, or shooting games (those stupid games that aren't really fun but spit out tickets don't count as games)

Also there arises the problem of actually being a game artist. Now more than ever I will play a game and spend hours simply looking at textures, how a model was shaped, or the details of an animated texture. That in a way takes me out of the experience of the game. As they say, ignorance is bliss.

What would be awesome is a true sequel to Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (Konami, you listening???)

[Scratch N' Brain]

*sigh* sounds like the 80s doesnt it? Where companies such as atari started making games that they can produce anything and theyll still make money off of it. Like a CEO of Artari once said "I could put horse shit in a cartridge and people would still buy it." I really hope that the game industry doesnt end up like this again. BIG companies are almost a death sentence for games. For example. UO was a GREAT game before EA had to put their hands on the damn company and same goes for everquest when the company was bought out by Sony. You wanna see a genre thats getting hit hard with bad games look at the MMORPG genre. It's only recently that smaller start out companies are taking a challenge in making a revolutionary or different game with in the mmorpg bussiness. Good example is Eve online.

And you know what also. About the FPS genre. If 3Drealms is working on Duke Nukem Forever as hard as they say they are, sense its taking such a damn long time, they said they are using a version of the unreal 2004 engine (modified ofcourse) They say theres gonna be no more engine changes because they just want to concentrate on gameplay and utilize what they got, without having to worry about the best god damn grphics in the world.

Even though Doom 3 and Half Life 2 were...ok. These games seemed to be more like tests to see what theyre engine is capable of. Hopefull Quake 4 will be awesome, and the next installment im waiting for in half life 2 because i wanna get more of the story.

"Customer support sucks with SOE because th cutsomers are geeks/nerds and the customer support/GMs are jocks."

And, as for console gamers. PLEASE....PLEASE concentrate more on the software thats coming out for a new console before you buy it instead of what the hardware in the console has to offer! *RAWWWRRRR turns into the Hulk*

AND WHEN ARE ARCADES GOING TO BE FUN AGAIN. the death of the damn arcade was because companies thought it would be cool to come out with simulations instead of GAMES.

[thebob]

u want a good rpg? planescape torment tbfh
all other rpg's are just lvl grinds and hak em ups in comparison

[oracrest]

u want a good rpg? planescape torment tbfh
all other rpg's are just lvl grinds and hak em ups in comparison

I wholeheartedly agree, of all the Baldurs gate style (pc version, not console version) game, this one is king! You gotta give props to any game that can incorporate rebirth (usually purely gamey) into the story, and make it feel justifiable that your character would simply keep returning from the dead.

[0kelvin]

Hehehe, those are awesome Prom.

You wanna see a genre thats getting hit hard with bad games look at the MMORPG genre. It's only recently that smaller start out companies are taking a challenge in making a revolutionary or different game with in the mmorpg bussiness. Good example is Eve online.

I read an interesting article about how the nature of MMORPGs actually discourage evolution and promote poor design choices.

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20041103/bartle_01.shtml
I don't agree with everything it says, but there are definitely some interesting points brought up.


EDIT: For another fun original 2D platformer, you should all check out Gish (http://www.chroniclogic.com/index.htm?gish.htm).



0kelvin