amazing 10yr old artist

[Chris King]

http://artakiane.com/akiane_art.htm

I have to say, this is fucking deppressing.... her parents must beat her or something. check it out

(dont quote my comment with out clicking on the link- my post seems pretty bad out of context).

[SJ Bennighof]

The link doesn't appear to be working.

[Chris King]

srry about that, the link should work now

[Lizkay]

Holy... :$
I am not sure what I should think of that, but mainly I would say its a natural talent, Great to see such a young artist, developing so fast! :teeth:
Amazing!

[SJ Bennighof]

Okay, then. Er, what do you find depressing about this, other than the fact that she's going to own the collective ass of the art community in ten years? I mean, look at her eyes. I'd swear she looked ten at four, and at ten she looks sixteen. That is one extremely intelligent little girl.

[britt]

Some day she is going to realize there isn't a God and start doing some real art. haha

[M.D.Kroen]

amazing talent
<3 :x

[Dan.v.D.]

given the sheer amount of stuff a human beeing has to learn between birth and for example age 10. a little drawing and painting ain´t that much.
it´s unusual but only because your not forced to learn it unlike speeking walking and learning the names of everything around you and it´s function.


...i´d say

[Chris J. Anderson!]

The next time there is a thread about whether or not there is any such thing as "talent", people who disagree that talent exists and is extrememly important to the growth and abilities of an artist should look at this girl. If becoming truly great at something was as simple as applying yourself and working hard and has nothing to do with talent, means that we can all be as intelligent as Einstein or Steven Hawkings, if we worked hard enough.

It takes many people there whole lives before they begin to understand, say, creating realism in art, while she's got it understood at the very beginning of her life. If thats not called "talent", then I don't know what else you would call this.

[thebluepuppy]

all i can say is.....jesus christ....pun intented :bashful:

2 years from now at the age of 12 she will seclude herself from the rest of the children and for teh next four years slowly go mad and eventually take her own life. steven spielberg will make a box office hit from it, and inspire the world(again)... and... oh shit theyre here.. i said to much....ffffffffffffff

[ozan]

chris, she might be talented, but we dont know what here parents are like. look at this page: http://artakiane.com/akiane_life.htm dont you get the feeling that her parents are not the type of people to let her watch tv all day and eat frozen pizza for dinner? home-schooled, very religious, immigrant... i think her upbringing has a lot to do with it. im just going to follow you around and shoot down everything you say. :blahblah:

[JoshuaTheJames]

You Guys Are All Retarded!

It's Jesus and Hardcore Hardwork! There is NO SUCH THING AS TALENT! ^_^

-JtJ

[JoshuaTheJames]

Ted, You are saying that any 8 or 9 year old in this Situation can do the same as she has. NO, you're not saying that. Because that's Insane.

Why are people soo Prideful that they don't want to admitt there is talent in this world.(Dear God please don't anyone literally try and answer that)

heh.

Actually Ted I do believe Circumstance Does Play a large role. But, It's definitely not the main factor in this instance.

-JtJ

[Forge]

this child will kill herself when she'll be 16 years old.

[Floris Didden]

At 4, had a life-changing spiritual transformation, converting the family to Christianity.
She reminds me of those genius youth chessplayers.

[saraesc]

I'm not impressed.
She's on her way to becoming the next Lisa Frank.


Haha ...i'm such a hater. :nohope:

[Nudnik]

Incredible indeed.


...shame about the whole God thing.

[Chris J. Anderson!]

Ted - I think that a persons environment and circumstance has a lot to do with their success. So, I agree that her upbringing and family environment has something to do with her accomplishments. I think that no matter how talented someone may be, if they don't have any opportunity to grow, they ain't growin.

But, this doesn't mean that she isn't incredibly talented. There are many people who want to be artists or mathmeticians, etc, who have family enironments and circumstances that allows them great opportunity to be great at what they desire, but don't get very far no matter how hard they try and want to, because they lack something. I think that, genetics, is something not to be underestimated.

Here's a thought, if talent didn't exist, and if we are all good at particular things because of only environment and circumstance, then, wouldn't that mean that all babies, when we are just born, are the same and act exactly the same? How could they be different if the environment hasn't really done anything to them to cause a change in behavior? But new born babies aren't the same, they're all different. Body type, skin color, nervous system sensitivity, eye sight, etc, are all different. How far does those differences go? If we're different on the outside, then it makes sense that there are brain and other genetic differences, even on the smallest measurements of genes, that allow people to be more like this or that. This is where "Talent" comes in. How far does talent go, I'm not sure. Some say that memories can be pasted down through genetics, but those are far fetched ideas that I don't know enough about, but talents exists. We're all born as different from each other which means some people will be more capable in certain things than others right at birth, we're not all genetically the same. If your purely lucky with a grand ol environment to help nurture those talents, your a lucky mo fo like this girl Akiane. She even as a great name.

What you think?

[thebluepuppy]

did they also tell you she learned html and built this website, but right after learning html she got bored, master c ++ in 3 weeks, built a mmorpg called "the mosus chronicles: my gift to jesus", and now has 45000000 members online. with her money she invested in planetary terraforming and mastered that subject in 4 weeks(she was mad because it took so long). then she terraformed mars so it was habital for humans. while on her terraforming expedition she found alien technolgy that when modified she could control humans minds, but only weak ones. Because she was to young to handle this great "gift from god", she decided that her president mr bush was a christian and he would do something honest with it. he didnt. he convinced many americans(weak minded) ones not to believe their was w.o.m.d. but to vote for him again. seeing that akaine was so disgusted by her christian idol that she went back to mars and still can be found their today residing in the palace section of her christian theme park studying the art of of out of of body painting(where she paints with her mind). unfortunaly for us the only people allowed their are mel gibson and billy graham. someday their will be a war beetween akaine and the forces of bush and his minions throughout the world. be afraid...its soon...

[JoshuaTheJames]

Hahah...That was fun.

-JtJ

[N D Hill]

wow. Definite jealousy detected in this thread. Let her do whatever she wants. Last I heard, artists are entitled to their own philosophies/eccentricities.

[USER777]

chris, she might be talented, but we dont know what here parents are like. look at this page: http://artakiane.com/akiane_life.htm dont you get the feeling that her parents are not the type of people to let her watch tv all day and eat frozen pizza for dinner? home-schooled, very religious, immigrant... i think her upbringing has a lot to do with it. im just going to follow you around and shoot down everything you say. :blahblah:

yeah i guess her parents are like total christs. and the stuff she talks, tho very good language and vocabulary for a 10 year old, is just.. not my thing.
i mean her technical skill is great for her age but i dont like any of the stuff she does. don't get me wrong, i don't say her art is bad but it's SOO not my type.. i hate all those super-religious parents that will enslave their children anyway, so screw it..

[Prometheus|ANJ]

I think a Master/PT would help a lot at an early age, but the schoolsystem just keeps on churning out burger flipping proles. Few ever get a chance to develop their peak skills, because they have to learn about Erik of Pommern and when his sibling died. Such a waste. Our lack of apprentice system is... disturbing.

[rothgar]

Can I be your apprentice Prom? Pretty please??

[MuffinMan]

WTF!
she can oil paint that good at ten!?
geez, where do these people come froM!?
she scares me... :nohope:

[Denart]

QUESTION: Why did you paint the portrait of Jesus?

It was God's timing; I had been looking for a Jesus model for two years, and I could not find the right face. Then one day I asked my family to pray with me all day. We petitioned God to send the model right through our front door. The next day a tall carpenter came in. He was so humble, and I was surprised that he agreed to model for me.

woa woa :S

[JoshuaTheJames]

wow. Definite jealousy detected in this thread. Let her do whatever she wants. Last I heard, artists are entitled to their own philosophies.


You need to FINE tune those sensors boy! Heh. ^_^

No body was downing what she is doing. We were merely discussing how she had become so good.


-JtJ

[Denart]

Considers her style: Akianism -
a universal blend of realism and
imaginism
Her style is her name...
Realism + imaginism? Isn't that just fantasy art?! So Jon Foster is working in the Akianism style? Please... :^^;:



she is going to marry Dylan Scott Pierce (http://www.dylanpierce.com/) when they grow up

hmmm, both are home-schooled, both art prodigies...hmmm
conclusion: there's no such thing as talent. Both kids spent insane amounts of time at home practicing their arts because they didn't have to go to public schools

[GriNGo]

Imagine if everyone here in CA.org has that opportunity, I mean the opportunity to just dedicate yourself to painting from those early ages. Everyone should be jealous :D Impressive technique.... but look at the odd philosophical and manners of her website... she could be christian extremism defined!

later,
GriNGoLOCo

[theincredibleandy]

I say it's talent + hard work. It'd be insane to say that Mozart being a piano genius at age 4 had nothing to do with natural talent. According to history, it just made sense to him. It wasn't an issue of learnng it; he just naturally understood it. The same with math whizzes. Some of them say they just instantly understood it, and learning isn't really an issue. Genetically, everyone learns different things at different speeds, like how Einsten lived at one place for 17 years and NEVER KNEW HIS ADDRESS, and got lost on the way home.

That having been said, all of the greatest artists I know are also the hardest workers I know, no exception.

psychologists think that nature/nurture is about 50/50, so she's just got a lot of both. Too bad I don't care about these jesus paintings....

My 2 cents

[JoshuaTheJames]

there's no such thing as talent.

What in this Mad World makes you believe there is no such thing as Talent?

Have you eaten your Coco Puffs today?


-JtJ

[N D Hill]

Think people have a misunderstanding of what the word talent implies. At least I never thought that it implied that skills were preexistent from birth. I do believe in natural inclinations though. Mozart when he was four years simply had the ability to quickly comprehend what good music sounded like and then that mode of logic could soon be applied to his own compositions. Likewise with this girl, I think it really comes down to more or less an ability to comprehend what makes a visually appealing piece of art. Kids with "talents" just have an inclination towards processing things like art, music, math, and writing etc. the phrase "I may know art, but I know what I like" comes to mind. It's just of matter of articulation by asking "why do I like it?"

[Chris J. Anderson!]

thebluepuppy - HHAHAHAAHahahahahah!!!!

Denart - With your theory, that means if two children under the same conditions in life, working equally hard, will equally become good at what they do. If you've studied how children progress, you'd see how untrue that is. Example, if Dylan Scott Peirce was born with low intellect abilities, or retarted, even though he was homeschooled well, he wouldn't be as good as he now. Genetics plays a big part. It doesn't matter how much hard work a retarted person puts in, they will never be Einstein. Thats an extreme case but we all don't have the same intellect or drive or likes and dislikes to want to do particular things and genetics does play a big role in that.

Exo - Like what JoshTJ was saying, disscussing the reasons why someone has great abilities is not jealously. My point is, it's unrealistic to think that the only reason one goes far with abilities is through sheer hard work alone. Thats a positive thing to say and believe and sounds great and it makes you feel good inside when you believe it, but it isn't true. theincredibleandy said it well with his response.

[cotron]

I'm just curious as to if her parents play a role, or if it's a hoax... because it's so insane. People don't usually develop the motor control it would take to make the drawings she's doing until they're in their teens... shits pretty crazy though, real or not.

[Dizon]

she's just a kid, give her a break! lol

OMG i just realized something....i suck.... :^^;:

[Jens]

Someone needs to give the kid a good teacher.. cause now I see her work go in the direction of those paintings you see on calenders and t-shirt with all those horses and wolves and dolphins, that would be a damn shame :(

[Dizon]

Someone needs to give the kid a good teacher.. cause now I see her work go in the direction of those paintings you see on calenders and t-shirt with all those horses and wolves and dolphins, that would be a damn shame :(


yeah, you're absolutely right! She should study with a master at one of them Ateliers.

[Hanuka]

i think, most of us can do better :yayca:

8) ... but seriously - insane talent. yet, i do doubt she will stick to this all her life and be happy with it. she's drilled. and then one day she'll realize how she can't always depend on god, carpenters and megalomaniac parents.

[Storyboard Dave]

She's definitely talented in my opinion. She also works amazingly hard to where she's gotten to as well.

The one thing that she lacks is life experiences. She can emulate a style right now. She can draw from observation but she lacks is depth and the only way she will get that is by living life & experiencing more. I'm not syaing she won't get any of it because we ALL do just by existing. She may very well one day turn into a much more phenomenal artist.

Being an artist is more than just having great technique- it's also about applying the knowledge that's gained over a lifetime of observation, trial & error and hard work.

[Chris J. Anderson!]

Exo - From the online dictionary, the definintion of Talent, means; a.) Natural endowment or ability of a superior quality.

Natural Endowment, means; n: natural qualities or talents [syn: endowment, gift, talent]

Natural, means; c.) Biology. Not produced or changed artificially; not conditioned.

Exo said: Kids with "talents" just have an inclination towards processing things like art, music, math, and writing etc.
However one likes to say it, she has abilities that others don't, which allows her to do more, younger, faster. Not just her, but, people in general. Some more extreme than others.

[JoshuaTheJames]

the Definition of Talent is An Innate Ability!

the Definition of Innate is Something Possessed at birth.


If people are to argue logically definitions must be used quite literally.


People want to deny the existance of Talent because they are too Prideful and want to believe what they have accomplished is that much more
meaningful.


It's simply argued that perhaps she would not be working as hard if she didn't see positive results as quickly.



-JtJ

[nick reynolds]

It's all because she was born under water. She speaks 4 languages too, although I can't beleive she had the ability to change an adults mind on their views of god.


thebluepuppy: that story was good.

[Storyboard Dave]

It's all because she was born under water. She speaks 4 languages too, although I can't beleive she had the ability to change an adults mind on their views of god.

I think ALL evangelists think they can all change our views on God.

[Hanuka]

• When she grows up wants to be wife, mother, song writer, artist, poet, chef, lecturer, movie director, doctor, photographer and dancer.

She's what we in Germany call a "eierlegende Wollmilchsau"... wouldn't want to be her - tough life, working all day just to meet her parent's expectations. that's no life for a kid, even if she is godsent (im being ironical here)
i mean - even jesus had more to his life.

[Chris J. Anderson!]

Storyboard Dave said: Being an artist is more than just having great technique- it's also about applying the knowledge that's gained over a lifetime of observation, trial & error and hard work.

Agreed. I've seen people like her with this kind of skill before, but it's also about the life experience of the artist. She may get stuck just doing this type of art her whole lfie. She may reject her religion and do something else. She may decide to abandon realism altogether, or, she may become one of the greatest artists out there because of extreme realism. Or she may loose reason to continue art altogether. Technique is one thing, but if thats all you have, it's just stale work. But she may grow to become very imaginative, who knows.

This is ofcourse is versus artist who are weak at techqniue, and are only imaginative, but over the years, if under the right circumstances, will learn technques that allows them to bring life to their imaginative abilities.

And then there are those who have to learn how to be imaginative, as well as learn technique, which will take longer in their career before getting good, under the right circumstances.

Ah, this is some interesting stuff.

[Storyboard Dave]

Ah, this is some interesting stuff.

Yes it is!

Heckuva debate for a Thursday morning!

[N D Hill]

Exo - From the online dictionary, the definintion of Talent, means; a.) Natural endowment or ability of a superior quality.

Natural Endowment, means; n: natural qualities or talents [syn: endowment, gift, talent]

Natural, means; c.) Biology. Not produced or changed artificially; not conditioned.

Exo said:
However one likes to say it, she has abilities that others don't, which allows her to do more, younger, faster. Not just her, but, people in general. Some more extreme than others.

I get what your saying, and agree for the most part. I just think that the definition of talent needs a little tweaking. I don't think the ability to paint a good painting is there from birth. I still think that there are more reactionary elements present. It all has to do with how we think and process information. She may be an extremely developed painter but she still had to develop as you can see from the pieces that were documented at various ages. I think what people call talent is that drive and compatable mode of thought that enabled her to develop her own skills that fast. It required refinement and articulation just like any skill would.

[JoshuaTheJames]

And she was able to Develope so quickly and at a young age because of her Innate Natural Talent.

It's not soo far fetched.


-Joshua James

[N D Hill]

And she was able to Develope so quickly and at a young age because of her Innate Natural Talent.

It's not soo far fetched.


-Joshua James

I'm not arguing that. Just the definition of "talent."

[theincredibleandy]

"All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

-George Orwell

Some people are just better. Get over it, work hard, and make awesome art. Don't worry about being the best, because that might not be possible. Just be the best you can be and enjoy it.

[Crane]

Whoa.
I don't think this is depressing nor am i jealous. don't get jealous, say someones better at you at art or have a better comp, don't sit around a envy them, work ya ass off till ya as good or better than them, or have enuff money to get a better comp hu.
Strange enuff i've never been jealous in my life, but ya, shes one talented/hard working/intelligent spirit. watever ya guys wanna say she has.

It really is a shame about the god thing, i agree with you on the shes gunna kill herself at 16 haha. religion is bullshit and has totally screwed this world up.
the end.

:yayca:

[Chris J. Anderson!]

Exo said: I think what people call talent is that drive and compatable mode of thought that enabled her to develop her own skills that fast. It required refinement and articulation just like any skill would.
Yeah, I see where your coming from. I agree that talent (in this art sense) isn't simply the ability to know how to draw or paint. Talent is more about the ability to understand colors, shapes, etc, becuase of how your mind is, and also have the ability to communicate those ideas in some way, visually, like with your hands, to tools, to paper. She did have to learn how to draw and paint with the tools, and excerise her art ability, but her talents to understand what she sees and commucicate what she sees visually was already there from birth. Which, no matter how much hard work another child artist her age puts in, she will surpass because of how her brain works.

:::EDIT:::
But, even though she may surpass the other child in technqiue, she may be surpassed by the other kids imagination.

[thebluepuppy]

will akaines legion of mmorpg players join the battle to defend akaines new palace on mars. will bush discover womd in iraq and use them against akaines new world. will bushs secret arab space troops from saudi arabia invade the palace at second nazareth(theme park modeled after strawberry hill, look in your art history book.) on mars.oh and someone dies...BUT WHO??!!! find out in my next installment of akaine: chronicles of second nazareth

[Neil]

She's good, real good.

I believe that certain people do possess "gifts" at birth, especially when you see children that can do complex math at a very young age with very little training or have very complex capacities unseen in children 10+ years older.

However I also believe that any person can be or do pretty much anything with training, patience, and dedication. You just have to start early and put all your effort into whatever it is you want to accomplish.

[USER777]

Exo said:
Yeah, I see where your coming from. I agree that talent (in this art sense) isn't simply the ability to know how to draw or paint. Talent is more about the ability to understand colors, shapes, etc, becuase of how your mind is, and also have the ability to communicate those ideas in some way, visually, like with your hands, to tools, to paper. She did have to learn how to draw and paint with the tools, and excerise her art ability, but her talents to understand what she sees and commucicate what she sees visually was already there from birth. Which, no matter how much hard work another child artist her age puts in, she will surpass because of how her brain works.

i never liked the word "talent" because it really applies to everyone and no one. i mean, isn't talent always measured by looking at the product the person produced? when some people look at a piece of paper with some strokes on they say:"whoa this guy/girl is talented. so much skill and emotion and virtue and stuff i can see in those few strokes. brilliant work."
another person might come and say:"this looks like the work of a 2 year old. looks like crap. i could have done better. it doesnt appeal to me and i dont like any of it. not the colors not the strokes. nothing."
i mean it always depends on your point of view.
some people say picasso had MUCH talent and was one of the greatest artists ever. yet when you look at most of his work, someone who doesnt know anything about his past could easily say:" this looks crap. that portrait looks flat and colors are muddy."
so, what is talent, really? the ability to catch up artistic vision and skill quickly? ability to create great art? i have thought about this a lot and had many long discussions with friend about "talent" and none of us could agree with each other.
i think talent is really an unneccessary, meaningless word. when we decide to do something artistic for live, in the end we do what we think is right and hope that other people like it so we can live off it.

anyways, i think to express oneself artistically is a great thing to do, especially when you start with it so early. and i dont hate everything this girl ever did.
its just that its creeping me out when such a young human being talks about "visions of the christ" and "i want people to believe in god" bullshit. she is homeschooled. she does art all the time. good thing to do, as i said. but she doesnt have a clue about the world outside. everything she paints are animals and religious pictures. well, to draw animals and faces is the most normal thing to do at this age. but all that doesnt make her special in any way imo. she's just a normal 10 year old cute little girl whose parents read the bible a few times too often.

i guess i have dug too much into this, so now you can shred me to tears.
:blahblah:
+

oh and one quote from her site.. i couldnt resist :dead:
Today I want to paint God's face
IT'S NOT TOO LATE !

[Daunting]

IT's great that she has all those skills and everything... but she's going to be psychotic in a few years of she keeps up with her parents pressures. Believe me I grew in much of the same situations but that's just on the extreme. I mean it's not bad to believe in God and all that but I think some forms of lunacy may form if you pray ALL day sheesh.

But ya she is dang good... wouldn't want her life though.

And I have to agree that she has a way lower chance of being a great wellknown artist if she can't advance her subject matter in no way. ya of course she's 10... but her parents are just as crazy as her and I doubt they'll let her even think about drawing anything else. Probably be a famous portrait artist or something.

But ya she is good.

[slickcoder]

*Slickcoder makes a poster*



http://artakiane.com/akiane_art.htm

NOTICE: If you're reading this... the girl this website is about is a more impressive artist than you. Forever. The End.

PS: She says Jesus loves you.



*Slickcoder posts the poster all over the nearby art school and watches the obituaries for suicides* :devil:

[JoshuaTheJames]

Lim,

Here is the Purpose of the word Talent and the word is very valid. Here's how...

Take two young artists with the same great drive, put them in the same circumstance and who comes out ahead?

The one with more natural talent.

Simple. Logical.

-JtJ

[stalecracker]

I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE the posts where people get all definsive and say "She's alright" or "She's emulating styles" blah, blah.




SHE'S 10!!! and better than probably EVERYBODY here was at age 10. She will more likely than not continue to shine artistically as she gets older. Most of us here will not.

[slickcoder]

That's assuming that all environmental/sociological factors are the same. There are a lot of "naturally talented" people that people think are "naturally talented" only because they happen to be better than average at something because they were nurtured to be so. If someone has a genetic predisposition to be an artist, that doesn't mean they won't be too lazy to persue it, or discouraged from doing it, or even enjoy it. I've seen people that were totally average people (I'm talking stick figures) go through a 4 year art program and come out AWESOME artists, and I've seen very "talented" people get passed by them. Why? One was more into it than the other. I think that "talent" is a lot more nurture than nature. A lot of people call SKILL talent because it makes them feel special about their own skills. Because let's face it, talent sounds more beautiful and unique.

The idea of talent too, drives that bitter little seed inside the art community's hearts to view the non-artists as "muggles" (to steal a term from Harry Potter), when in reality if they had the practice, they could be better artists.

[acuna_read]

"The next day a tall carpenter came in." - Sounds like a Porn film to me. :teeth:

Anyway on a more serious note, as mentioned she's a kid. When does she play with transformer's :bashful: (or if she must, barbie :blah: ). Maybe as a child she doesnt know what she's missing and maybe I dont realise what I missed not being brought up that way. My mum always had crayons etc round the house but never made us use them, we used those, cardboard, lego etc when/if we wanted.

Oddly I used to make car's/lorries out of cereal boxes with split pins put in for wheels from about the age of 7. That was because I was brought up around bike's, but they were never forced upon me in any-way, though I did drop out of college and now work a shite job. But what i'm trying to get at is that I hope she is choosing this, she want's to do these thing's. If so then good luck to her (though I am still a bit sceptyical of the whole thing), but if it is forced then she may, as mentioned, turn out to be very fucked up.

THen again im still fucked up and most of you probably are, so we all end up fucked up! :teeth:

[jetpack42]

I think the word "talent" is largely overused, and in the general sense that the word is applied, does not exist.

Of course some people have certain mental affluencies which may allow them to pick up a certain skill(s) faster then others. But if you look at almost anyone who is great (great, not just pretty good) at anything, the common demoninator is the time spent practicing the craft. Wether we are talking about art, basketball, or science. This girl didn't pop out of the womb painting as mediocre as she does.

[James Kei]

Reincarnation folks!
After the workshop, I am completely convinced that Steven Assael is the reincarnated soul of Velasquez. just as this little girl is the old soul of some other master.
It's the same thing when Mozart finds his way into the body of a 10 year old pianist. If you are a new soul and this is your first time around on the planet, then it takes a lot of work to get to a certain level....only to let you next life reap the benefits. heh.

[Chris J. Anderson!]

acuna_read said: "The next day a tall carpenter came in." - Sounds like a Porn film to me.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA!!!

Lim said: i never liked the word "talent" because it really applies to everyone and no one. i mean, isn't talent always measured by looking at the product the person produced? when some people look at a piece of paper with some strokes on they say:"whoa this guy/girl is talented. so much skill and emotion and virtue and stuff i can see in those few strokes. brilliant work." another person might come and say:"this looks like the work of a 2 year old. looks like crap. i could have done better. it doesnt appeal to me and i dont like any of it. not the colors not the strokes. nothing."
i mean it always depends on your point of view.
some people say picasso had MUCH talent and was one of the greatest artists ever. yet when you look at most of his work, someone who doesnt know anything about his past could easily say:" this looks crap. that portrait looks flat and colors are muddy."
Yeah, I agree that it all depends on the point of view, and people have different views about things depending on their tastes and what they know about the subject. But there's always 3 sides to every story, this persons story, that persons story, and the facts. If someone just saw a portrait of a womans face, they might not care because they think it's a photo. But if they new it was a painting, they would respect it more. If they new a 10 year old painted it, they'd have more respect for it. With that said, if you take two 10 year olds who paint the same thing, and they were be under the same life conditions, chances are, one of the 10 year olds will do better than the other. WHat if one was incredibly better than the other? If they both had the same skills, but one is better, there is a reason, it had to be a more genetic, natural reason rather than a learned reason for why one is extrodinarily better. Put this child in a class of 100 students incredibly hard working students, yet this 10 year old is still the ultimate, there is a reason, something that isn't learned, and is a more natural ability. The dictionary calls it Talent. Haha, but so what. We can call it what ever we want but the fact is, some people are extrodinarily better than others in a way that has very little to do with ones actual learned skill and more about what was already within them.

In fact, check this out, have you ever seen kids in kindegarden who have to do arts and craft, cut and paste paper, and color with crayon to make some project. You ever notice how a few students in that class will cut the paper precisely, color perfectly neat, glue neatly, and decorate everything well, while other students creating the same piece of work will be messy, cut, color, and glue terribly. And the students who were very neat didn't practice cutting and coloring, etc, for day or years, it's one of the first times they get to do this, so there was no real "learing time". And some of the messy students, may have cut, colored and pasted a few times before, and still they are messy. How can anyone explain that other than some students are more talented than others?


What you think?

[otis]

Why is everyone so fucking "scared" jealous, or angry about this girl? It reminds me of grade school. When ever people see sombody performing better than them it makes them feel like shit. So they go off attacking the other person in hopes of feeling better about themselves.

This little girl has done nothing wrong, yet people who are intimidated like to bash her. Why don't the people who "feel" so pathetic or out skilled by her do somthing productive with themselves?

This little girl is nothing more than a POSITVE influence.
So grow the fuck up and do somthing positive yourselves!

Everybody has got potential.

[slickcoder]

In fact, check this out, have you ever seen kids in kindegarden who have to do arts and craft, cut and paste paper, and color with crayon to make some project. You ever notice how a few students in that class will cut the paper precisely, color perfectly neat, glue neatly, and decorate everything well, while other students creating the same piece of work will be messy, cut, color, and glue terribly. And the students who were very neat didn't practice cutting and coloring, etc, for day or years, it's one of the first times they get to do this, so there was no real "learing time". And some of the messy students, may have cut, colored and pasted a few times before, and still they are messy. How can anyone explain that other than some students are more talented than others?

Those kids may have grown up in more stimulating environments and learned those habits/practices there. The example falls a little short.

[stalecracker]

Well said, Otis.

Why is everyone so fucking "scared" jealous, or angry about this girl? It reminds me of grade school. When ever people see sombody performing better than them it makes them feel like shit. So they go off attacking the other person in hopes of feeling better about themselves.

This little girl has done nothing wrong, yet people who are intimidated like to bash her. Why don't the people who "feel" so pathetic or out skilled by her do somthing productive with themselves?

This little girl is nothing more than a POSITVE influence.
So grow the fuck up and do somthing positive yourselves!

Everybody has got potential.

[Chris J. Anderson!]

Otis - Whoa, I didn't read everyones posts, but who's "attacking" her?

jetpack said: I think the word "talent" is largely overused, and in the general sense that the word is applied, does not exist. Of course some people have certain mental affluencies which may allow them to pick up a certain skill(s) faster then others. But if you look at almost anyone who is great (great, not just pretty good) at anything, the common demoninator is the time spent practicing the craft. Wether we are talking about art, basketball, or science. This girl didn't pop out of the womb painting as mediocre as she does.

Jetpack, so would you say that if there are 5 people, 4 are borderline retarted, and 1 of them have above average intelligence, that if they all work incredibly hard at math that they will all do very well?

If a society was made up of borderline retarted people, and a small hand full of people were way above normal intelligence, the people of that society would call the hand full of people, talented, at things like math or an engineering profession. They think faster, remember more, think more clearly, don't become as easily confused. But everyone else, who are borderline retarted, do become easily confused, don't remember things easily, can't do abstract thinking well, and think slowly.

Would you say that it's the borderline retarted peoples fault for not being as good at engineering or math or abstract thinking as that hand full of smart people because they didn't work hard enough? Do you think that the borderline retared people have any real control over whther or not they can be as intelligent as the others?

What do you think?

[USER777]

Why is everyone so fucking "scared" jealous, or angry about this girl? It reminds me of grade school. When ever people see sombody performing better than them it makes them feel like shit. So they go off attacking the other person in hopes of feeling better about themselves.

This little girl has done nothing wrong, yet people who are intimidated like to bash her. Why don't the people who "feel" so pathetic or out skilled by her do somthing productive with themselves?

This little girl is nothing more than a POSITVE influence.
So grow the fuck up and do somthing positive yourselves!

Everybody has got potential.

i'm neither scared nor angry. as i said, i have great respect of this girl putting so much time in her pictures.

but this thread was created to discuss the art of her. and i said my part, other's said their part.

[JoshuaTheJames]

That's assuming that all environmental/sociological factors are the same. There are a lot of "naturally talented" people that people think are "naturally talented" only because they happen to be better than average at something because they were nurtured to be so. If someone has a genetic predisposition to be an artist, that doesn't mean they won't be too lazy to persue it, or discouraged from doing it, or even enjoy it. I've seen people that were totally average people (I'm talking stick figures) go through a 4 year art program and come out AWESOME artists, and I've seen very "talented" people get passed by them. Why? One was more into it than the other. I think that "talent" is a lot more nurture than nature. A lot of people call SKILL talent because it makes them feel special about their own skills. Because let's face it, talent sounds more beautiful and unique.

The idea of talent too, drives that bitter little seed inside the art community's hearts to view the non-artists as "muggles" (to steal a term from Harry Potter), when in reality if they had the practice, they could be better artists.

No one here is using the word Talent to feel special. But, I am amazed how most are denying the reality of what it really is and that it does exist.

No one is implying that she could paint straight out of the womb. That's Lunacy. The Girl was obviously Born with the innate ability to quickly understand what she was doing when it came to art. Another person in the same situation would not being doing as well.

How is this False? What do you think?


-JtJ

[JoshuaTheJames]

Well said, Otis.


Well Said? WELL SAID? You Crazy Man! (^_^)

We are not disrespecting the girl in the slightest!! Mostly it has become a discussion about Talent.

peace,

-JtJ

[Sanby]

Some day she is going to realize there isn't a God and start doing some real art. haha

I agree. Yeah, her reliance on god and religion kinda bugs me. Don't want to start a huge discussion, but people like that who manage to relate everything to god, and how great he is etc really get on my nerves.

Why is everyone so fucking "scared" jealous, or angry about this girl? It reminds me of grade school. When ever people see sombody performing better than them it makes them feel like shit. So they go off attacking the other person in hopes of feeling better about themselves. This little girl has done nothing wrong, yet people who are intimidated like to bash her. Why don't the people who "feel" so pathetic or out skilled by her do somthing productive with themselves? This little girl is nothing more than a POSITVE influence. So grow the fuck up and do somthing positive yourselves! Everybody has got potential.

Who the hell is bashing her? It's a conversation about talent. I don't think anyone here denies the fact that she is can paint very well, and I don't think anyone here is bashing her for that.


Sanby

[jetpack42]

I think using "borderline retarded people" as an example is pretty lame.

If you took 10 people, and put them in a room to be instructed by Ron Lemen for 20 years, who wants to bet, assuming they all work as hard as they can, that at least 9 of them will not be awesome?

"Talent" as many of you would like to use it, might affect the speed at which one becomes good at something. In the grand scope of art, she's mediocre, and her influence is nothing. At best, her "talent" might score her a segment on 20/20 and some buyers who think her age means something.

Is wes' art any better or worse if he's 15 or 30 or 50?

It's great that she's painting (and so well for an early age), but I'm not falling out of my chair or anything.

[JoelNoel]

Interesting Thread....

I think that everybody has something that they are good at - and other people have different things they are good at. Some find it early, some find it late and some people never find it at all, but everybody has a "gift" of some form or another - its just finding what it is - and circumstance certainly DOES affect that.


As far as "talent" goes - and whether it does exist or not- im pretty sure it does.


Genetics gifts most good athletes better performance over other people because for example, thier lungs are slightly bigger etc. Its probably a similar thing with art, or math or english - people just are born with an "artistic eye" or whatever - and training that talent just takes them even further on. Other people require more training in the long run, but still get to the same point.

Hope this makes sense....

[stalecracker]

I agree. Yeah, her reliance on god and religion kinda bugs me. Don't want to start a huge discussion, but people like that who manage to relate everything to god, and how great he is etc really get on my nerves.



Sanby

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! That cracks me up. Why should it get on your nerves? How does it EVEN remotelyaffect your life if she feels that way?

[Chris J. Anderson!]

jetpack42 said: I think using "borderline retarded people" as an example is pretty lame.
How is that example any different from reality? To her, the rest of the kids her age who work hard in the arts are artistically borderline retarted compared to her. Your average joe is intellictually bordline retarted compared to Steven Hawkings. No amount of hardwork or skill will ever get you on the level of Steve H.

jetpack42 said: If you took 10 people, and put them in a room to be instructed by Ron Lemen for 20 years, who wants to bet, assuming they all work as hard as they can, that at least 9 of them will not be awesome?
Not if you have 10 people who know absolutly nothing about art, have never had ability or one single idea about drawing or creating art, and have Ron Lemen instruct them. (I'm not talking about people who potentially have the ability or dreamed about it but just never tried it, I mean, people who've had absolutly nothing to do with art.) I guarentee that after they finish there season of instruction, their skills will be mediocre at best. Not "awsome". It would be great if we could put this to the test.

[bat]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! That cracks me up. Why should it get on your nerves? How does it EVEN remotelyaffect your life if she feels that way?

Well said, stalecracker.

This little girl's faith has no bearing on anyone else. It is a shame that as time goes on, people of faith are bashed or ridiculed as primitive or superstitious. To this date, nobody can disprove the existence of God (or Gods) anymore than anyone can prove their existence (I actually think it is easier to prove that there are divine influences, but that is not a discussion for here). You never know, she may be right.

Basically, don't hack on another's inspiration/influence/inner spark, that is a show of disrespect. Instead, focus on what makes you do what you do.

[NoUseFrAName]

"Talent" as many of you would like to use it, might affect the speed at which one becomes good at something. In the grand scope of art, she's mediocre, and her influence is nothing. At best, her "talent" might score her a segment on 20/20 and some buyers who think her age means something.

Is wes' art any better or worse if he's 15 or 30 or 50?

It's great that she's painting (and so well for an early age), but I'm not falling out of my chair or anything.
her age is most definitely significant in relation to her talent...mostly because with those factors combined, we're able to identify the mountains of potential that she has.
Clearly there's already a passion. Passion plus potential equals great things.

Don't get me wrong, there's potential in the 10 dumdums that you're getting to study under Ron for 20 years, but without any interest and passion for art to begin with, their progression will be much slower, no matter how hard they work.
put that little girl in that same class with Ron and note the way she blows all her classmates out of the water.
Yeah...she's no DaVinci or anything yet...but would someone back in DaVinci's day who bought one of his very early works be crazy? would it really be a horrible investment?
I, for one, would think it was pretty cool to be able to hold up a sketch by Leo at age 10 next to one that he did in his prime.

People that see her potential and get excited about it aren't stupid.

-Rob

[ArtbyWard]

I believe in talent, but I also believe that hard work creates talent, like Bruce Lee said :confident

[Hanuka]

interesting discussion on talent, here :)

apart from that, a little more on-topic:

who really cares what age she is. look at her pics. they're terrible. c'mon, you wouldnt want to hang stuff like this up your wall. yeah, great technique for her age and she will definitely become a good artist, but whoever really cares about what she does now? its merely awkward, all that jesus-babble, drawing a carpenter, sent by god? man, laughable. just as laughable as my stuff atm, but you wouldn't care about my drawings either, would you?

so, she is 10 years old and probably better than most children we'll ever see drawing at her age - but she's no master at what she does now and as long as she is mediocre - no matter what age -, i don't care about her art.
yeah, at first sight it's pretty stunning and i wonder what her daily life looks
like, being exploited by her parents - but then again... does her art really bother anyone? these poems - did you read them? terrible.

stay focussed on your own stuff, go on becoming a master yourself. it doesnt matter if youre a master at the age of 50 or 15, does it?

[AnarchyAo2]

:moon:

[slickcoder]

No one here is using the word Talent to feel special. But, I am amazed how most are denying the reality of what it really is and that it does exist.

No one is implying that she could paint straight out of the womb. That's Lunacy. The Girl was obviously Born with the innate ability to quickly understand what she was doing when it came to art. Another person in the same situation would not being doing as well.

How is this False? What do you think?


-JtJ

I think she gets a lot more practice than any 10 year old you'll ever meet. Either that or she's a god. Not THE God, but a god. Which would explain her obsession with Jesus.

Screw it. Let's start rumors about her greatness... I'll go first:

"I heard this girl has been able to hand draw a perfect circle since she was 4 years old. In fact, Nasa uses the circles she draws to check for deformities in o-rings!"

[troymcoy]

Technically she's good, but I still prefer the loose, unselfconscious drawings that children usually make...

[Steph Laberis]

I am staying mostly clear of the talent debate, but this girl has got it. I mean, IT. She can see the world as a painter, and to me, it's innate and nourished.

Lucky, lucky girl. She's going to go very far and she has every right to run with what she has.

[SJ Bennighof]

Okay, I see that my high-school ass was fairly naive about this. The majority of posts in this thread, save the ones geared solely at the emergent "Talent" debate, have had the general gist of:

Wow. She is totally amazing. Totally totally amazing. Sucks that she's a Christian.

Some posts go as far as to simply denounce the whole of Religion as backwards and foolish

I must say, I'm rather new to the art world. Is the whole of the art community this intolerant? I will grant that I have cause to wonder about, for instance, Christian punk-rock artists, owing to their interpretation of the Christian message in same form of music that originally arose as an outlet for feelings of deep-seated rage and frustration at society, while their lyrics have a hopeful message. They are of course free to express themselves in whatever way they choose, but that sort of fundamental contradiction in style leads me to doubt the artistic integrity of the work. Even so, I do not hold myself to be such an amazing critic of music that I will denounce their work as shallow and ill-inspired.

I agree. Yeah, her reliance on god and religion kinda bugs me. Don't want to start a huge discussion, but people like that who manage to relate everything to god, and how great he is etc really get on my nerves.

So. This girl relies on the God that she believes in for support and encouragement in her everyday life and her artistic life. Let's, for a moment, assume that Religion is bogus and there is no God. Assuming that for the sake of argument, this girl has then fabricated on a very deep psychological level an "imaginary friend" that acts as a support pillar and offers her hope and gives her life added meaning. Many people of all ages, including adults, have chosen to believe this same fairy tale. It makes them happy and encourages them. And now let us objectively look at the girl's work. Would you say that the quality of her work has suffered as a result of this pathological self-delusion?

Who the hell is bashing her? It's a conversation about talent. I don't think anyone here denies the fact that she is can paint very well, and I don't think anyone here is bashing her for that.

You denounce the subject matter of her work as childish and shallow. You allow your opinions about the absolutes of truth (or lack thereof) in life to color your posts about the girl's art. Some of you suggest that she will recurse into mental instability as a result of her opinions about life and kill herself before reaching college age, and then you snicker. And you're saying all of this about a ten-year-old girl who shows a remarkably advanced capacity for art. Since when have the concepts that an artist conveys through his or her work become relevant? Since when has it mattered more what an artist says than the level of skill with which he or she says it? I would respectfully put forth the conjecture that some of you (perhaps not even the person whose post I am responding to, but some of you) are, on some level, irritated that someone who holds beliefs that you find irrational and stupid could be such a skilled artist.

Mohammed "Hawk" of Applegeeks is a Muslim who gives the credit for the quality of his work to Allah. Would you go around saying that it's a shame that he's Muslim? No you would not, and neither would I, as this would be disrespectful to and intolerant of his personal beliefs. Why then are we all sitting around making snide remarks about a ten-year-old prodigy who believes in God?

[Chris J. Anderson!]

slickcoder: "I heard this girl has been able to hand draw a perfect circle since she was 4 years old. In fact, Nasa uses the circles she draws to check for deformities in o-rings!"
HAHAHAHAAAHHAHAAA!!!

[otis]

I wasn't directing my post at anyone in particular. But look at how much people are wasting their time talking about this girl. "Is it talent?, god?, fraud?, good?, bad?"...who cares!?. All I'm saying is good for her, she is impressing people. Move on, and get back to painting and impressing people, or even better, make a difference and inspire others with your own work.

[DragonGX]

She is good, I have to say that. But the whole website is suspicious...

It says that her mother was athiest, and that she converted her entir efamily to chrisitanity at age 4... I don't know about you, but someting is up with that. No kid (especially one with an athiest mother!) gets that interested in religion at that age unless it has been pounded into her head since birth.. Even if her father was christian, (I doubt that if he is anywhere near her degree of zealotism, he would have married an athiest..) she really seems like she had a major influence by her parents... And from what the website sounds like, it sounds like she is in boot camp... wake up early at 5 almost every day of the week to work on paintings for 3 hours per day... I know some kids can be sort of meticulous, but seriously, that sounds like something someone is making her do... Kids aren't naturally like that, especially to that degree...

And the story about praying for a jesus model, then finding one soon afterwards... you gotta be kidding me... :rolleyes:

[slickcoder]

I wasn't directing my post at anyone in particular. But look at how much people are wasting their time talking about this girl. "Is it talent?, god?, fraud?, good?, bad?"...who cares!?.
Well, obviously the people chatting in this thread care, and they've all formulated their own opinions and expressed them, before you promptly dropped trou' and proceeded to take a dump on their various viewpoints as a whole under the umbrella of "who cares!?."

All I'm saying is good for her, she is impressing people.
No, that's not all you're saying, because there's more:

Move on, and get back to painting and impressing people, or even better, make a difference and inspire others with your own work.
Your condescension is noted. And the feeling is mutual. :yayca:

I think this girl is 20% talent, 30% dedication, and 50% insane parents.

okay... back with the rumormill...

"I heard this girl once drew a picture for the Pope! In fact, the Pope kissed HER hand after he saw her rendering of Jesus and said he'd 'Truly seen God'"

[Chris J. Anderson!]

Otis - :^^: Yeah, with most debates some people can make things can get a little out of hand, but thats the way it goes with so many different ages of people and ideas. But that usually makes it interesting. And yeah, you shouldn't mindlessly dwell on the topic, but when you see a human being like this, sometimes you just have to stop, appreciate it for the phenomenon it is, like Akiane, and think about it for a moment. It's just interesting stuff, and inspiring in a sense that, personally, it makes me learn a little more about what being an artist is all about.

slickcoder: and 50% insane parents.
Hahahahah!!

[slickcoder]

more rumors:

"I heard that not only is this girl a fantastic artist, but she can also crap lightning and fart thunder!"


... sorry for junking up the thread, it's just so fun.

We should have a contest to see who can come up with the best illustration of this girl painting while doing something superhuman. :^^:

haha.

[jetpack42]

potential is a big bag of smoke, unable to be measured.

time will tell if she puts her money where your mouths are.

[Chris J. Anderson!]

Jetpack42 - I don't know dude. As I said before, she may decide one day to not be religous, and that may effect her career. She may decide to quit art altogether. Life experience plays a big part too. It'll be interesting to see where her life takes her.

[NoUseFrAName]

...denounce the subject matter of her work as childish and shallow.
lol, yeah, she should draw robots and monsters! robots and monsters are meaningful!

-Rob

[rothgar]

Okay a wee bit of background, I teach middle school art, so I see kids just a little older than this girl is. To date in four years I've seen maybe....four kids out of the 800+ students in my classes over the years who I'd call talented. One girl, a migrant girl who didn't speak a single word of english could sit down with a pencil and paper and throw down portraits Andrew-style, it was scary really. Talented, yeah maybe, although honestly I'd say it was more like dedicated. These kids would be the ones who would finish a drawing while everyone else was still fucking around getting their shit together, and they'd be asking for other stuff to draw. I wish *I* had been like that when I was their age (11-13 usually), I proly wouldn't be teaching.

[Chris King]

>.< she reminds me of the kid form dune with physic powers...
scares the crap out of me.. an yes im jealous :-/

[OptimusDinkus]

Lim,

Here is the Purpose of the word Talent and the word is very valid. Here's how...

Take two young artists with the same great drive, put them in the same circumstance and who comes out ahead?

The one with more natural talent.

Simple. Logical.

-JtJ
Id love to see a control specimen in that experiment, wait there is non..... its impossible to equate the power of the human mind, and some parts of her do speak for themselves. Rises at 5 a.m. five-six days a week to get ready to paint in the studio and write; works for about three hours a day. The way I see it is that the talent is the unique eye we all have and how we graft down what we see through that hand. Honestly, had I painted 3 hours a day on a piece at that age, I could have accomplished what she did. In highschool I sold portriats at age 16 after improving well enough. Each piece showed improvement, such as hers as well. But as kids, did we ever have an attention span such as that? no. And on top of all this, all great prodigies were seen as crippled mentally or had some form of a disorder with themselves (inclusive of hawkins). So the talent is what is unique of us, and the skill is the work involved.

[OptimusDinkus]

and personaly, how many paintings did van gouh make in his ten years of work? now theres a point to be made indeed. by the time this girl was ten, hundreds of drawings and paintings were done by van gouh's hands. And he learn to draw in 2 years!. In my eyes thats one case where theres much to be observed and learned from.

[slickcoder]

and personaly, how many paintings did van gouh make in his ten years of work? now theres a point to be made indeed. by the time this girl was ten, hundreds of drawings and paintings were done by van gouh's hands. And he learn to draw in 2 years!. In my eyes thats one case where theres much to be observed and learned from.

One could argue that Van Gogh is more famous than he was talented.

Besides, what are you saying here, really? This LITTLE GIRL has done fewer paintings in 10 years than a GROWN MAN? You dolt, she probably didn't start seriously doing anything until she was 4 or 5. Van Gogh learned to draw in 2 years? I'd bet this girl picked it up at the same pace if not faster, which is impressive considering she's not an adult which means while she's learning to paint and draw, she's also learning spelling, grammar, math, science, social skills (maybe, she is home schooled, lol), and how to be a human being. Van Gogh was a grown man. Honestly, I'm not a big Van Gogh fan anyways, and her paintings seem to have a lot more detail than anything he did.

Perhaps she'll go insane an cut her own ear off, someday. Then maybe you'll be impressed.

and another rumor:

"This little girl is so precise that entered a CGChannel 3D rendering contest, but they had to disqualify her when they found out her 3D render was actually hand painted!"

[OptimusDinkus]

slick I wasnt comparing the two at all, I was simply stating another case to show what hard work can do, thats all. Hell in reality you cant really put two unique individuals up on a scale any day, especially art. And also one can argue that the sky is purple and the leaves are actually quit tasty lol. (just poking fun here). Plus, how does a man that only sold one painting in his life time (his brother) considered overly famous compared to his contemporaries?

[Chingwa]

:x

...all I know is I'm going to church this sunday and praying my ass off for this girl's god to send me a model for my next girlie painting... <3 <3 <3

[thebluepuppy]

who here can honestly say they wake up at 5 am to work in their studio for 3 hours before school?(or work) hmmmmm.. thats what i thought tssssssstttt.sorry it needed to be said. as far as talent goes, who gives a fuck. skill is nothing without creativity. if you look at her site carefully basically its a lot of bs. the things they say, you can obviously tell the parents are making up some of the shit. wow so she can paint good. Watch the news and read time magazine. theirs a parapalegic(cripple from neck down) that they installed a transmitter into his brain and can move hydralic lifts and type on the computer with only thought. THAT SHIT IS FUCKING SCARY. who the fuck cares about some little girl who paints jesus art. if you paint jesus art now you have competition. if you dont well, dont worry about. talent is in the eye of the beholder. a urinal has voted most influential piece of art. so yeah...creativity is an elusive beast. draw, paint, live, learn, love, explore the physical and mental. find who you are as an artist and once you do people will love your art because it will have a deeper meaning then probaly 90 percent of the shit out their today. :yayca:

[theincredibleandy]

Sure, I don't like the Jesusness of her paintings, but maybe that's a taste thing. It's not enough of a reason to say "she's gonna go insane by the time she's sixteen" or anything like that. It's funny how when we didn't understand something we used to explain it as an act of god (sun god, rain god, creator of the universe). Nowadays, when someone can do something that doesn't make sense to us, we start making excuses like saying she must be screwed up in some way to compensate for talent (she'll go insane by age 16, her parents must beat her, 50% insane parents), or we pick at one aspect of the art and try to prove the art's just average (skill is nothing wthout creativity, denounce the subject of her work as childish (no SHIT, dude! She IS a child!))

I just think that her technical skill alone is enough to call her talented (technical and conceptual are two different things), that assuming parental insanity is far-fetched, and that jealousy IS part of anyone's criticism of her stuff. If it weren't, then I would hear people tear apart the conceptart newbies this badly. Since no one does, then it's part jealousy.

[conundrum]

this is a really great thread, a lot of interesting opinions.

she is a technically brilliant artist right now but i personally would like to see what she is doing in a decade or two, i doubt she will develop a lot better skills because her current level is very high. which means that her imagination is what will either limit her or allow her to become a great artist. though many of her current paintings are rather derivative and stereotypical, which i find strange as childhood is often when most people's imagination is at its peak. i think this is embodied in her praying for a stereotypical jesus figure, why couldnt she paint anyone else, most kids her age ( perhaps a bit younger) are usually less constrained by society and wouldnt expect jesus to be white with a beard and long hair.

I'm not saying she in't an amazing artist im just dissapointed that she has limited hereself. in my opinion, if she was to use that level of ability and her child's imagination she could make some truly wondeful paintings

[slickcoder]

Sure, she only paints for Jesus now, but you guys just wait, she'll hit puberty and start drawing robots with tits better than everyone here and they'll have to give her her own forum section for daily vagina monster sketches, titty robots, and f*cked up demonic self portraits of her screaming at god. And she'll be 13. And better than everyone! At everything! Hell, I bet she could kick most everyone's ass in this forum with one hand tied behind her back, especially if you're dissin' on the Holy Trinity or Moses or something... yeah that'd tick her off. <yoda>Much hate I sense in her... the darkside it is.</yoda>

<sidetrack>
Plus, how does a man that only sold one painting in his life time (his brother) considered overly famous compared to his contemporaries?
Not to sidetrack the thread, but Van Gogh's work wasn't the most brilliant or detailed or proportionally correct or most colorful work ever. In fact, by all measurements it falls short of average. Yet nearly everyone in the westernized world knows who Vincent Van Gogh is. Now tell me again why he isn't overly famous? Dead, sure. But there really isn't a whole lot of brilliance to anything he did in comparision to his brethren of that era. I have yet to see something of his and say "wtf... how did he do that?!"
</sidetrack>

[SJ Bennighof]

(no SHIT, dude! She IS a child!))


I think you agree with me in general anyway, but a brief semantics point here: I said "childish" implying that that was an insult because she doesn't paint like a child. Even if my forte was painting, and it totally isn't, she'd still be a ton better than my 17-year-old arse. And children aren't the only people who paint religiously...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/SABERinBLUE/sistine.jpg
(Objects in mirror may be larger than they appear)

I just think that her technical skill alone is enough to call her talented (technical and conceptual are two different things), that assuming parental insanity is far-fetched, and that jealousy IS part of anyone's criticism of her stuff. If it weren't, then I would hear people tear apart the conceptart newbies this badly. Since no one does, then it's part jealousy.

As I haven't been here for that long, that's news to me (haven't seen any newb that's bad enough anyway, unless I take too generous a view of my own developing stuff, heh, which was intelligently and respectfully commented on in any event...) and it strikes me as a very telling point. The site is bashing a ten-year-old prodigy more than they bash me about my fumbling "Just got my 120 set of Prismas like four months ago" stuff. Because I posted a robot drawing she likes to paint Jesus. Wow.

About her parents, as crazy as homeschooling sounds (I was homeschooled through like, second grade, no problem there, but homschooling through high school, as these people seem to be doing, does sound crazy) and however much I myself don't agree with it because of its almost cruelly stunting effect on an already introverted child's social abilities, that is their perogative, and it doesn't make them nuts. There's a family at my church who is homeschooling all of their children through high school, and they're wonderful people.

Now, that doesn't mean that I didn't laugh at the beginning of Mean Girls, as I thought that bit on homeschooling was hysterical if stereotypical...

[PeggyChung]

quote from site

"Began drawing at 4, and painting at 6, teaching herself and learning mostly from her own keen observation and study."

Id imagine her parents would have taught her atleast, cause i know i wouldnt be drawing portraits of people at that age, i was drawing random animals with human bodies :P


"Rises at 5 a.m. five-six days a week to get ready to paint in the studio and write; works for about three hours a day."


There it is, 3 hours a day at that age? and homeschooled? lucky

[Daunting]

she only works 3 hours a day? in drawing and writing? somebody might have to clarify this for me. Hard to believe a person can ge that good with only 3 hours a day.

[Lauren Short]

ok here we go...


it has been said by many professional psychologists that children are able to take in vasts amounts of information at a young age. since she was completely emersed in her field of study all the time (3 hrs out of a day seems like nothing to us, but to children, especially done every day, it is an eternity) she was able to observe and pick up essential aspects of how to portray something realistically onto paper. this being done for the last 6 years day in and day out, it is no wonder she understands visual communication so well.



Now on the topic of talent:
i agree with what some have said that "talent" is over used. though the concept DOES exist. to my understanding many people have different ways of thinking, this includes different logic, different ways to process what is going on, different stimulations, etc. the aspect of thinking that is most important in this case is the way this little girl perceives the objects/environment/etc around her. she obviously has an afinity to be able to process her surroundings, or a set subject, and translate it onto paper with a utensil very well. now mixing in the factors that she worked at this non-stop with such a regular schedule, it is no wonder she is as good as she is.

and yes most likely her parents have had a large effect on her work ethics, which greatly benefit her in her work.


i'm quite glad for her, to be so young and find something you are successful at is quite a gift

[GriNGo]

Any normal human being, under the right (adequate) teaching, punishment, and social conditions, has the ability to become great at whatever the masters (parents) or his/her own wishes are. Read the Butlerian Jihad series by Dune. Glibertus Albans (a character of the book) is one of those examples... the sucker was born in a salve pen and became one of the greatest minds that ever existed. Sci-fi example, but an example anyway.

Simply this girl must have liked painting alot in her early years, and her parents, instead of just telling her "WOW! thats really nice! now go to sleep god damnit!" they encouraged her and gave her adequate tools and instruction to make her talent even better.

Picasso, for example was similiar to this girl. His father was an art teacher, and it seems he liked taking him to classes. Picasso just kicked ass in his early years, even better than this girl. Picasso didnt have the religious influence (at least to the grade that this girl has). And he just kicks ass until now (all works). Van Gogh also pretty much kicked ass (his early carbons and inks are very cool). His mastery of color mood use is unbelievable too. Son of a farmer. There is more to an art piece than just correct proportions and physics. And probably these two werent born in water tanks either.

And for those who still doubt the "everyone-can-be-just-like-this-girl theory", then just try doing it yourself then. Drop out of school, and dedicate yourself just to drawing and painting for about 4 hours a day, for about the same time this girl has (about 6 years). You'll be very good even if you sucked very badly. Age doesnt matter much either. MindCandyMan is a perfect example of a man who SUCKED (check out the initial post in his "journey of an absolute rookie" thread) and now is a very decent painter/illustrator/bleh.

concerning the odd website and parents of hers....

"Began drawing at 4, and painting at 6, teaching herself and learning mostly from her own keen observation and study."

The bold part sounds kinda suspicious, if like they wanted to make people SURE about the abilities their daughter has. It's like those car dealers tell you that everything is perfect but in truth they are just white lying, err "good" lying whatever thats called.. But anyways its just a thought of mine.

greetings and i hope somebody f*cking reads this :D nah j/k.

later,
GriNGoLoCo

[USER777]

Any normal human being, under the right (adequate) teaching, punishment, and social conditions, has the ability to become great at whatever the masters (parents) or his/her own wishes are. Read the Butlerian Jihad series by Dune. Glibertus Albans (a character of the book) is one of those examples... the sucker was born in a salve pen and became one of the greatest minds that ever existed. Sci-fi example, but an example anyway.

Simply this girl must have liked painting alot in her early years, and her parents, instead of just telling her "WOW! thats really nice! now go to sleep god damnit!" they encouraged her and gave her adequate tools and instruction to make her talent even better.

Picasso, for example was similiar to this girl. His father was an art teacher, and it seems he liked taking him to classes. Picasso just kicked ass in his early years, even better than this girl. Picasso didnt have the religious influence (at least to the grade that this girl has). And he just kicks ass until now (all works). Van Gogh also pretty much kicked ass (his early carbons and inks are very cool). His mastery of color mood use is unbelievable too. Son of a farmer. There is more to an art piece than just correct proportions and physics. And probably these two werent born in water tanks either.

And for those who still doubt the "everyone-can-be-just-like-this-girl theory", then just try doing it yourself then. Drop out of school, and dedicate yourself just to drawing and painting for about 4 hours a day, for about the same time this girl has (about 6 years). You'll be very good even if you sucked very badly. Age doesnt matter much either. MindCandyMan is a perfect example of a man who SUCKED (check out the initial post in his "journey of an absolute rookie" thread) and now is a very decent painter/illustrator/bleh.

concerning the odd website and parents of hers....

"Began drawing at 4, and painting at 6, teaching herself and learning mostly from her own keen observation and study."

The bold part sounds kinda suspicious, if like they wanted to make people SURE about the abilities their daughter has. It's like those car dealers tell you that everything is perfect but in truth they are just white lying, err "good" lying whatever thats called.. But anyways its just a thought of mine.

greetings and i hope somebody f*cking reads this :D nah j/k.

later,
GriNGoLoCo


i agree with every fuckin point of yours..

[GriNGo]

cool :perv:

later,
GRiNGoLoCo

[LaPalida]

Her name means Ocean in Russian.

[dusty imp]

Her name means Ocean in Russian.

Hate to be a picky bastard, but Ocean in russian would be spelled more like
Okean. "Akiane" has a little too many letters in too many places. Not to mention that Ocean in russain is male-gender noun.

As for the paintings - ok, she can paint.
Just like most kids would be able to if the were motivated and had the time and resourses to do it as much as she does at her age.
Move the hell on and do your own stuff.

[slickcoder]

I have a nephew named Ocean. (His parents are insane hippies)

[GriNGo]

I have a design profesor who named his kids Emilio Lobo (which would be Emilio Wolf in English), and her daugther is named "Delfina" (the female version of "dolphin") he's not hippy, just kinda nuts :D

later,
GriNGOLoCO

[AnarchyAo2]

I know of some guy that named his daughter Pepsi.

[Daunting]

My view on talent is... well people are obviously born with a capability to accept information faster. If you don't believe it just believe that people are capable of comprehending information slower then you're pretty much saying that there are people who are born that comprehend faster also. So anyways all I'm saying is... if this girl would have spent all the time she has spent in art in say like.... engineering. She would have been an engineering genius. Would be out college grads at 10. But of course she chose art so she's great at that.

Point is... some people just comprehend stuff better than other people and I doubt this "talent" is only limited towards art. It's just what she chose. And I didn't make a bit of sense oh well.

[LaPalida]

Yutani if you pronounce her name aloud that's what it sounds like (Russian letters aren't always pronounced the way they are written - like O is pronounced as A). Maybe they didn't necessarily name her after it but it sure sounds like it (and she is part Russian after all so I sorta figured it). It is male but so what... people call their children all sorts of things ... like Moon Unit...

[ender...]

i think "talent" exist and i define it as the inclination towards something. whether you want to go that way or not. what you have talent may not give you any pleasure so you may want to tread other paths or vice versa. what im trying to say is that, ok talent exists but it is the effort that makes the difference. and it is the hardwork, why this girl is damn good at what she does (and yes she is). and her talent makes it faster.

someone with talent but no hardworking CANNOT be great; someone with no talent but hardworking CAN.
and she would not be %1 as good, if she was not that hardworking.

i should say, that i do not envy her talent, but i envy her effort. wish that i was half as hardworking.

and i'd also say that i pity her that she was made into an abomination of "60-year-old-like-prophecy-speaking-10-year-old" (?). shame on her parents that they are using her, loading her mind with bullshit and making her the "ultimate megalomaniac". she should live and behave as children when she had the time. she'll have plenty of time as a grown-up.

i agree that she will suicide or something if she goes on like this. people tend to get religious when they got old and their time has come. she's just 10, for pity-sake, this is not healty.

also i share the suspicions of dragonGX, and all these may be set-up and we're speaking about just a bunch of charlatans.

[Storyboard Dave]

Artwork aside... who wrote the accompanying text on the site I wonder...?

[ender...]

and what's that bullshit about her heritage, nationality stuff.

Lithuanian, Jewish, Polish, Hungarian, Slovakian, Russian, Bohemian, Chinese, French, Danish and German, what the fuck!!!


"and the god sent her to all of his people, that she will inspire them all with visions of god..."


hah, she will declare herself mesiah or prophet or something in a few years i say!!! :P heresy:P:P

[Crane]

This girls gunna be the apocalypse of CA in a minute.

PS God does not exist!! my 2 cents, and no flaming me for my beliefs. :yayca:

[Chris J. Anderson!]

LaPalida - I looked up her name in the English to Russian dictionary. Ocean is океан in russian, I think. Water is вода. I've been looking up names from different countries for months now for characters I'm working on, I've never heard her name before. Probably from somewhere. Ah, back to work.

[maxetormer]

I think the ambience plays a greater role than most people gives credit to,
my mother is kindergarden teacher, and she has seen, how the kids that
have the more educated parents, are the most bright kids in the class;
in kidergarden in México, kids are not supposed to learn how to read,
they learn how to in the next stage at age of 6, but the parents of
one kid tought him how to read earlier, ofcourse the kid naturaly
has a brigth mind, but if the parents havent tried to tought him,
how to read, he would not have know just by inspiration how to do it.

Read this, to get a borader view of how experiece afect us humans, in the
development of abilities like reading:

http://www.feralchildren.com/en/showchild.php?ch=genie

This is one of the few "wild children" that have been found, she
had not contact with people not learing by experiencie for 13 years,
acording to scientists she is not retarded, she just lacked a lot of the
experiences we gain in life. "birth" ablities or genetic information need
experice and feed back to develop, in this book:

"Nature Via Nurture. Genes, Experience, and What Makes Us Humans"

Matt Ridley, 2003

the author here explains that the genes (abilities) are activated, and
desactivated by the experices, they are not fixed since birth they change
along with the feed back they get form life, its alway a mixture of ambience
and a set of changing genes what shapes the person, kids learn by seening
things, even if you dont intend to teach, the kids learn by just imitating
accions; Chopin, was a one of the greatest composers of all the
human history but he was pushed to do it so, form the a very early stage
of his life (his parents coached him sorta of speak).
So a person can not learn to walk, read, speak, or think with out
the contact, and interaccion with others, so yeah I belive your genes
(birth abilities) can help you out to achive a goal, but you motivation
and interaccion with others, will play a big role as well. :D

[dusty imp]

Yutani if you pronounce her name aloud that's what it sounds like (Russian letters aren't always pronounced the way they are written - like O is pronounced as A). Maybe they didn't necessarily name her after it but it sure sounds like it (and she is part Russian after all so I sorta figured it). It is male but so what... people call their children all sorts of things ... like Moon Unit...

Heh, i happen to know russian, so i know the spelling rules.
You're right, A can be more appropriate here, but the spelling would still be O,
besides, the "e" on the end is nonsence, it should have been an "a".
E makes another part of speech, as in "give something to "name"".
As for wierd names, it might be interesting to you that during the communist era in russia some parents named their children with acronyms, like КИМ -Коммунистический интернационал молодежи, or Marlena - stands for Marks/Lenin. Some people are just way out there. One girl i had drawing classes with was named Galadriel - apparently her parent's were tolkien-loving hippies.

[LaPalida]

Heh, i happen to know russian, so i know the spelling rules.

Yutani you're taking to a Russian lol. ;)

I don't think spelling matters since the name is Anglicized, as long as it sounds right (you know like pheer, mr E, Ivona Hugnkis, etc). Anyway it was just a guess from me I don't really know if that's what they meant to call her but it sure sounds like it. (The end "e" sound would sound like in Anne or Pete not Annie or Lenny, maybe that's the confusion or maybe I don't know how to pronounce names?).

KIM....wow that's a new one, but my favourite is still Electric Station, yes people in communist Russia used to name their baby girls Electric Station (pronounced Electrastantsia).

[LaPalida]

Lithuanian, Jewish, Polish, Hungarian, Slovakian, Russian, Bohemian, Chinese, French, Danish and German, what the fuck!!!

My best friend is a Canadian/US citizen who is part Jewish, Russian, Norwegian, Icelandic, English, French and several more which I just can't remember.

[insane visions]

maybe if I start praying now, Ill get such a thing called talent :rolleyes:

[LaPalida]

so they picked a russian word and tried to from a name applying rules they poorly understand. Hence the weird lettering.

Precisely what I was thinking! :D or maybe they wanted to be creative with the lettering. Anyway I thought her name was cool esp if it does mean the ocean.

[Admiral_Hahn]

I think i understand why she's so incredibly talented. Talent is a factor, but it isnt the only one. Her message is to show people the gift of god through her artwork, and i think she became this good out of a need to show people her message, where on the other hand a lot of artists draw through a desire.
*sorry if someone mentioned this before, didnt read the whole thread

Oh man, I hope she doesnt start posting on CA ( :yayca: ), if she did, I wouldnt post anything at all, i'd feel ashamed of how small i'd look compared to her...

[dadamafia]

damn that girl is good. it fels bad to know shes alot better than me when it comes to paintings but i have to... i mean, the truth is in front of our eyes. some might say her gift was god given, or some might say her parents put her through a boot camp. whatever it is im not gonna go into but i have to admit she is out of this world. its easy to hate on the kid but i choose to appreciate the inspiration she has provided.

[Rockbeetle Girion]

woah! i guess that believing in a god could be living in a lie, but it seems to change her life and see it under another point of view. she's godly. i should try that believe-in-god trick too. she beginned to draw very early, she most likely have a good absorbtive/creative intelligence ( varies from each person ) and a passion from the love of god and all. i dont really belive in talent, another day there was a person that could draw a city from an helicopter view ten hours after the flight and being able to draw an exact replica with the exact amount of windows to each buildings...maybe some parts of the brain are specially triggered..
damn, i wanna steal her talent... :nohope:

[Dizon]

woah! i guess that believing in a god could be living in a lie, but it seems to change her life and see it under another point of view. she's godly. i should try that believe-in-god trick too. she beginned to draw very early, she most likely have a good absorbtive/creative intelligence ( varies from each person ) and a passion from the love of god and all. i dont really belive in talent, another day there was a person that could draw a city from an helicopter view ten hours after the flight and being able to draw an exact replica with the exact amount of windows to each buildings...maybe some parts of the brain are specially triggered..
damn, i wanna steal her talent... :nohope:


Yeah, try it...Hope you achieve something in life.

[Sanby]

Here's my two cents on the talent conversation.

I am not going to say that talent exists or it doesn't but, the reason some people wish to say yes or no. For many of us, drawing, painting, scuplting, whatever takes so much time and effort. When we see someone who has "talent," it can be discouraging. So, to say really, they're is talent is not a factor, anyone can be just as good, so long as they work at it gives us the opportunity to be just as good. By believing that the number one reason for skill like this is hard work, we then, in our minds, can be just as good as anyone else. For someone who this comes easy to, it doesn't matter if "talent" exists, because they are already this good.

I hope this makes sense, it does in my head anyway. I know, this certainly applies to me, because art in general has never come easy for me, I hated it so much in elementary school. After reading Drawing on the right side of the brain where is says that drawing is a skill that can be learned, it comforts me to believe that this applies to everyone, and that talent isn't a factor, meaning that could be as good as I want to be as long as I put in the time and effort.

Sanby

[Lmharker]

I can't deny that that little girl's talent is out of this world. I think her talent could be due to the way her mind has developed through her life - due to her upbringing, her parents, etc. But the thing is she started drawing at 4...the same year as this 'religious experience'. Hmm
I hope she sticks to her talent through her life, and I won't say anything negative about her and her life, apart from the fact I'm a little envious of her abilities...lol.

[JoshuaTheJames]

Any normal human being, under the right (adequate) teaching, punishment, and social conditions, has the ability to become great at whatever the masters (parents) or his/her own wishes are. Read the Butlerian Jihad series by Dune. Glibertus Albans (a character of the book) is one of those examples... the sucker was born in a salve pen and became one of the greatest minds that ever existed. Sci-fi example, but an example anyway.

Simply this girl must have liked painting alot in her early years, and her parents, instead of just telling her "WOW! thats really nice! now go to sleep god damnit!" they encouraged her and gave her adequate tools and instruction to make her talent even better.

Picasso, for example was similiar to this girl. His father was an art teacher, and it seems he liked taking him to classes. Picasso just kicked ass in his early years, even better than this girl. Picasso didnt have the religious influence (at least to the grade that this girl has). And he just kicks ass until now (all works). Van Gogh also pretty much kicked ass (his early carbons and inks are very cool). His mastery of color mood use is unbelievable too. Son of a farmer. There is more to an art piece than just correct proportions and physics. And probably these two werent born in water tanks either.

And for those who still doubt the "everyone-can-be-just-like-this-girl theory", then just try doing it yourself then. Drop out of school, and dedicate yourself just to drawing and painting for about 4 hours a day, for about the same time this girl has (about 6 years). You'll be very good even if you sucked very badly. Age doesnt matter much either. MindCandyMan is a perfect example of a man who SUCKED (check out the initial post in his "journey of an absolute rookie" thread) and now is a very decent painter/illustrator/bleh.

concerning the odd website and parents of hers....

"Began drawing at 4, and painting at 6, teaching herself and learning mostly from her own keen observation and study."

The bold part sounds kinda suspicious, if like they wanted to make people SURE about the abilities their daughter has. It's like those car dealers tell you that everything is perfect but in truth they are just white lying, err "good" lying whatever thats called.. But anyways its just a thought of mine.

greetings and i hope somebody f*cking reads this :D nah j/k.

later,
GriNGoLoCo

You say "Any Normal Person" ...with that you are saying that the majority of the people on this planet are completely equal, none better than the other. Which is false. I am still astounded there are those of you out there that can't see the evidence of talent right in front of you in every day life. (Please don't take that as an insult.) There has always been someone that learns something faster than anyone of us and we have all seen it first hand more than once in our lives.


And besides I have friends that paint more than four hours a day and STILL can render figurative work as well as she can.

Me and my best freinds in college have always had a certain amount of Natural Artistic Talent but, even that wasn't enough if we hadn't worked hard we would have never improved. So don't think I am for a second excluding the importance of hard work.




So to come to any close conslusions about this arguement you are going to also Factor in Reality..Not just believes.


What do you guys think,

-Joshua James


And for the Gods' Sake don't take any of this to heart.

[ArtbyWard]

Well, I agree of course there is a thing as talent. Its like singing. If you can't sing you can't sing no amount of hard work is gonna put you on the top. If you're fat you probably can't run very fast, and you're never going to. I guess that drawing can be taught a bit better since it has somewhat less to do with your physical build. More like maths or something. Some people just don't get it. But certainly there are just better people then others. Rembrandt was a masterpainter when he was like 16 or something, well that's what I call talent. But on the other hand. Very hard work sometimes can create talent I think. If your determend you can achieve much.

[Carnifex]

i...don't....believe....what...i...see...
*tries to catch breath*
but that she's devoted her life to god and ponies is just sad.

[SJ Bennighof]

i...don't....believe....what...i...see...
*tries to catch breath*
but that she's devoted her life to god and ponies is just sad.

Johann Sebastian Bach devoted every single piece of music that he ever wrote to God. <tone="sardonic">That's just sad.</tone> Have I mentioned that I've got an extensive collection of Bach tracks on my computer, and he's often heralded as one of the most brilliant and prolific composers of all time? And he did it all for God. <tone="sardonic">That's just sad.</tone>

[OSU_Samurai]

"Heritage: Lithuanian, Jewish, Polish, Hungarian, Slovakian, Russian, Bohemian, Chinese, French, Danish and German"

"..and a Chicago native American father.."

"Born underwater at home, on July 9, 1994...."


If they are going to list her entire "heritage" they forgot to include that she is an Indian Mermaid. Little bit Ariel, little bit Pocahontas, go god go!

[JoshuaTheJames]

I'm not a big supporter of "the" Gods but,

SJ

Word Up!


There is no shame in that...Besides Bach Rachs! (um, will anybody get that cornball joke? heh)

-JtJ

[JoshuaTheJames]

This girls gunna be the apocalypse of CA in a minute.

PS God does not exist!! my 2 cents, and no flaming me for my beliefs. :yayca:


Hehehe. You claim to state a fact but, then call it believe. Heh.

Just calling you out for fun...back to painting. ^_^

-JtJ

[Rockbeetle Girion]

indian mermaid?
what do she mean by born underwater? that's an exceptionnal environnement for hatching out a baby ;)
but yeah, she have been drawing for six years...that's a long while, anybody here could become very good under six years. i have been drawing for one serious year without any great motivation or passion but thats a lot of time to improve. but her attitude and dedication would be the most important factor. i draw only to exhibit my stuff, and i dont really put my feelings on paper. maybe she draws her feelings, making her develop her attention and developing her keen eye.

maybe joshuas's friend painters dont have an absorptive/observative eye like this little girl

anyways, i can't tolerate that she's better than me, someone gotta hire a hitman.

[SJ Bennighof]

I'm not a big supporter of "the" Gods but,

SJ

Word Up!


There is no shame in that...Besides Bach Rachs! (um, will anybody get that cornball joke? heh)

-JtJ

Heh! I often delibrately pronounce it "Batch" in mockery of my Texas accent... "Jo-anne Sebaschin Batch"... :bashful:

[Fozzybar]

When did Bach devote his art to God?

Also as a child without questioning God or thinking about the sense of our beings or believing at all?

important details for developing a strong character...

[ender...]

When did Bach devote his art to God?

Also as a child without questioning God or thinking about the sense of our beings or believing at all?

important details for developing a strong character...

well said!... :)

[ArtbyWard]

Did'nt almost everyone in Europe believe in god when Bach was around?

[eerok]

seems like a nice kid; I hope she survives her sideshow childhood

--

[SJ Bennighof]

When did Bach devote his art to God?

Quote from a research paper I did two years ago:

" 'With all goodwill to conduct well-ordered church music to the honor of God.' This was Johann Sebastian Bach's goal, in his own words. "

Here are my sources (paper only, sorry) for the paper:

Kaufmann, Helen L: History's 100 Greatest Composers New York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1957

The Bach entry in World Book

Hansl, Eva B. and Helen L. Kaufmann: MINUTE SKETCHES OF GREAT COMPOSERS New York: Grosset & Dunlap, (1932).

My lack of internal documentation means that I can't tell you which of these the quote was from, but it was a direct (albeit translated) quote from Batch himself.

[GriNGo]

You say "Any Normal Person" ...with that you are saying that the majority of the people on this planet are completely equal, none better than the other. Which is false. I am still astounded there are those of you out there that can't see the evidence of talent right in front of you in every day life. (Please don't take that as an insult.) There has always been someone that learns something faster than anyone of us and we have all seen it first hand more than once in our lives. - by the Great Joshua The James.

i was refering more to the fact that all of our physical capabailities are more or less equal at birth... another thing would be the social development status that is the main "item" that differences our people (culture, religion, beliefs, support, etc). I tell you that if any other person has the same support she has had throughout her life, they would be great no matter what.

... and dont think that her artwork is too great either...

I mean, everything from a distance looks great. Check out the pics in her website, they are like 200x300 pixel sizes... and the originals must be like at least 1 meter lengh... they are fricking taller than her. Up close I have the suspicion that they wont look as good as they seem from afar. well anyways, she definitley has talent, but it isnt just that but her "amazing" mixture of culture and beliefs that has made her what she is (remember, the US is a mostly CATHOLIC country). Poet, Painter, Catholic, Small? the perfect temporary entertainment solution for the undeciding masses >:D :bs:

later,
GriNGoLoCo

[JoshuaTheJames]

- by the Great Joshua The James.




You Better Recognize Fool!

-JtJ

[JoshuaTheJames]

And for those of you who can't sense jokes...

Here is a smiley to lighten the mood...


:teeth:

-JtJ

[Thistle]

I was a tad insulted about the obsessive converting everyone wish thingie, so I told 'em. I did not use a single curse either. So don't think I sent one of those angry letters with all the cursing....Either way...


I'm out of stuff to say. Bye, gents!

[SJ Bennighof]

"Devoting to god" is quite different from "making all about god".

It's ambiguous, I agree, especially when translated. But there's other evidence to suggest. Read on.

Bach's creations have nothing to do with god aside from possible motivation behind their creation.

Well, an awful lot of the titles tend to suggest otherwise. Here's the "A" title list at JSBach.org:

http://www.jsbach.org/a2.html

I'm seeing a lot of "Gott" and "Jesu Christ".

[OSU_Samurai]

seems like a nice kid; I hope she survives her sideshow childhood

--


No shit, get ready to be exploited little girl and be treated as everything but normal.

[scott]

[slickcoder]

I heard she's the last decendant of Christ!

[Redder]

Geesh, its just a ten year old girl who likes to paint.

http://www.mahopa.de/bilder/thumbnails/t-lustige-forenbilder/t-forget-this-thread.jpg

[stalecracker]

*wow* You guys are STILL bitching about this?!?

[GriNGo]

That's great, but i don't read the titles, i listen to the music.
Her paintings aren't just titled about god, thier subject matter is about god. - by Yutani

that assumption is ridicoulous (however that's spelled). If it's music, even more music without lyrics, if it's titled "God or Jesus" then it HAS to have a relation with that. even more if Bach was a catholic such as "Akiane".

later,
GRiNGoLoCo

PS: the bitching might never stop! :dead:

[ArtbyWard]

Yea well Bach was an absolute master at what he did. I find the paintings of this girl very cliche, off course its outstanding technically for her age, but I would'nt hang it in my house. I would listen to Bach in my house on the contrary. And because it's classical I take it less a hindrance that its about god. Christian rock bands on the other hand...... :nohope:

[-MonkeyBoy-]

I think there is a difference between the work of Bach and the work of this girl. His music is a quantum leap from what had gone before - he was literally exploring totally new forms of sound. He saw the presence of God in the way the sounds made sense, the logical. mathematical nature of music, and he wished to share this aspect of God's creation with people and to give thanks for his gift. So certainly his work and how he thought about it was informed by his belief in God, as was most people's thinking at the time.
The nature of this girl's belief and religion is quite different; although the same words are used and the same books are read (well the Bible at least), we no longer live in a world where free exploration of the world seems to open up new facets of God's creation (that was very much how a lot of the Renaissance scientists, artists etc... saw their work). Rather new discoveries seem continually to point to the non-existence of God (evolution and genetics, for example). Thus a lot of very religious people are rejecting the course of society ingeneral and becoming their own little religious bastion, forming thier own communities or homeschooling their kids, so modern beliefs that seem to point to the non-existence of God can be carefully avoided. There is no joyful exploration in this girl's work, no sense of a great soul filled with love and joy and curiosity eager to explore the world. Instead it seems like what it is: imitative, idea-free, technically excellent calendar art.
She may blossom into a brilliant, searching artist and it is my sincere hope that she will, but I fear like so many young stars who blossom too soon (sorry for the mixed metaphors - I'm thinking about those little Russian gymnasts) she will be stunted, and the truly imaginative, creative aspect of being an artist will never open up for her.

Wow, that turned out long. Time to get back to work :-(. Please read the above as if it contain "I think..." "It is my understanding that..." and "as far as I know..." at the beginning of every sentence.

And if the CA servers get struck by lightning then I apologise.

[slickcoder]

God is a better artist than you! And Science doesn't do art... so... there... or something.

This little girl can out render 2 out of 4 of my PC's and 80% of CA.org readers... big deal.

She likes Jesus... yay Jesus.. yay her.

Who cares? She'll probably grow up to be better balanced than 1/2 of the CA.org crowd, for all we know. People have been growning up with religion for years.

Christianity deals mostly with emotional training/education, character building, and philosophy. But for some reason people get hung up on the scientific technicalities of the teachings, which are about 2% of it. Yes, you're all right, people's explaination of the creation of the world wasn't so detailed/accurate 2000 years ago. They also thought the world was flat, big deal. Maybe it was, I don't know, I don't care. The point is, anti-Christians and Christians alike are focused on the LEAST important aspects of the religion as a means of proving or disproving the existance of God. For all we know, the Christians are right and there is a God, he just wants us to believe in him without him having to prove himself. Let's face it, if there was a God, and it is as powerful as the Christians claim, if it doesn't want to be "proven to exist" it won't be. Even so, maybe there isn't a God and Christianity is some manufactured set of morals. So what? One way (christians) you've got blind faith, and the idea that "hey, maybe I can't perceive everything about the universe and I just have to believe"... the other way (science) you have the idea that "hey, I can explain everything in the universe (eventually) with nothing more than my puny human senses and a little enginuity!" ... honestly, they both sound pretty stupid to me.

Damnit... someone kill this thread. Science vs Religion is such a crap topic. Neither one will EVER be proven correct. EVER. The whole topic is pointless.

[-MonkeyBoy-]

It wasn't my intention to make any comment on science vs religion, nor am I insisting that they are necessarily incompatible. I was merely thinking out loud about the way in which religion in general has changed since the time of Bach and today, partly due to to increased repect society gives to science (not any sort of judgement about which is right, but certainly the role of science in society has grown twhile the role of religion has waned).

I didn't mean to derail the thread and I apologise if that is what now happens.

[SJ Bennighof]

That's great, but i don't read the titles, i listen to the music.
Her paintings aren't just titled about god, thier subject matter is about god.

I do read the titles. If you don't want to, that's fine, but I think it's rather telling that so many of his pieces have a religious title.

I think there is a difference between the work of Bach and the work of this girl. His music is a quantum leap from what had gone before[..]aspect of being an artist will never open up for her.


I think we're on the same wavelength here. I didn't mean to imply that this girl was as good at painting as Bach was at music, I only drew a corollary between Who they dedicate their work to, Who they do some of their work about and Who, in my opinion, gives them their ability, etc, but I wasn't comparing their works in overall depth. In truth I don't even like most of the girl's paintings, but they are amazing in their craft and I'm a really harsh critic of that kind of thing anyway. I just don't like the fact that so many people (not you) seem to think that the single most important aspect of this girl's work is the subject matter and how stupid they think her (and my) religion is. People call Christians "intolerant" these days...

[fixx]

Her stuff reminds me of Thomas Kinkade for some reason, but I hope she's having fun doing it. Talent or no, kids are kids and not cash cows.
Being born under water? Pfftt, that's a common "method" of giving birth. Supposed to ease the way for both child and mother. Personally I'd just be blissed out on epidurals all the way.

[Interceptor]

that is positively the most discouraging thing I have ever seen.

[WhizBang]

that is positively the most discouraging thing I have ever seen.
Don't let it 'cuz I'm just starting out as well. I just try to keep it real and have it motivate me.

[Prometheus|ANJ]

Here's what I was drawing at that age:

http://itchstudios.com/psg/old/cyborgwars1.jpg

Someone is missing out on childhood.

[SJ Bennighof]

It's quite simple really.
Can you tell that Bach's pieces are about god without reading the titles?
Didn't think so.

Neither did I. That's because music is an abstract art. I don't think that any composer would expect a listener to know what their piece was about (absent words, any musical references to well-known tunes, or percussion sound effects) if they didn't tell them what it was about in the title. That's why titles are so important and so telling.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/SABERinBLUE/guernica.jpg

"GUERNICA"

Can you (or anyone) tell that Picasso's painting is about the tragic bombing of a village in Spain without reading the title?

Didn't think so.

[jetpack42]

Can you (or anyone) tell that Picasso's painting is about the tragic bombing of a village in Spain without reading the title?



it might have something to do with Picasso sucking, but the point is duly noted.

[Prehistoric]

it's called "symbolism".

look it up.

[SJ Bennighof]

it's called "symbolism".

look it up.

Already did.

http://www.pbs.org/treasuresoftheworld/a_nav/guernica_nav/gnav_level_1/5meaning_guerfrm.html

To summarize the above, apart from a very general anti-war feel being apparent both from the title and Picasso's own words on the piece, no one can agree on the specific meaning of any of the symbolism. Read that page and then consider whether they would have had nearly as much to say about that painting had Picasso left it untitled (all of the conjecture about the symbolism is done in the context of the symbolic paradigm presented by the title) and not said anything about its meaning to anyone.

[Warhead82]

wow that girl is insanely good...wow.

[-MonkeyBoy-]

Prom, that Cyborg Wars is fuckin fantastic. Yes she is missing out on her childhood, and she will probably live with that for the rest of her life. :(

[Zaphod]

Edit: Sorry I missed that this thread was this old, I followed a link from another thread.

I just want to add a quote I read somewhere. I'm afraid I don't remember who is the author of it, but it fits on the "What is talent"-subject.

"(Artistic) skill is like a glas of water. Talent is the size of the glas. Hard work is what you fill it with.". That might not be the exact definition of talent according to the dictionary. But I think it relates quite well to reality.

Some people have an easier time learning certian things, it goes faster and they will eventually acheive higher standards. But if you don't work hard you'll never improve your skills. I have a friend who was much more talanted than me when we were kids. I used to copy his stuff when we were kids, thus learning for myself. Nowdays I'm much better than him, because he got other intrests growing up and stopped drawing. I would go as far as to say that talent stops being an important factor later in life, if you don't nurture it from the beginning.

I think all really good artists have a stain of autism in their behavior, in the same way as world class athletes have. Their lifes circle around one single thing. You can't develop fast without having some other things in your social life suffer. Those who sit around and wait for inspiration to walk by will never be above average. It's all about getting the right habits and devoting time to it. So I think talent exists and plays a role, but it's definatly a minor role for the average artists. Of course there are exceptions like this girl, no average ten year old would normally develop their skills that fast. Still, it can't be done without hard work. But not everyone is like this girl, so people saying, "I wish I had the talent like that guy, so I could be an artist" are still bullshitting themselfes.

That being said, I think her parents seems scary. Looking at her site makes it seem like they are brainwashing her. :S

[Luthien Rogue]

Yes, she's good, but undoubtedly her parents have "encouraged" her, if you know what I mean; it's sad that it seems to be forced upon her. She's going to have to find an inspiration other than God...

Technically, her pictures are amazing; but they mean nothing to me... they're empty...

I'm much more impressed by this little girl who obviously just loves to paint: http://www.marlaolmstead.com/home.html

:yayca:

[JERI]

That girl has got an amazing grasp for details. I don't mind the age, I just wish I can draw and paint like that now.

[Mike Thompson]

Yikes! I hope she has time to be a child.

[otis]

Oh man you guys,...just let the little girl DO HER THING. Stop trying to analyze her or making shit up. WHO the hell said "it was forced upon her"? As soon as anybody succeeds or accomplishes somthing, losers go off bashing and bitching, and spewing false rumors.

This little girl has been around for a while...GET OVER IT! AND GET A LIFE and mind your own ART.


PATHETIC.

BTW, Picasso always said:

Every child is an artist, the problem is how to remain an artist once he grows up.

[Blue]

given the sheer amount of stuff a human beeing has to learn between birth and for example age 10. a little drawing and painting ain´t that much.
it´s unusual but only because your not forced to learn it unlike speeking walking and learning the names of everything around you and it´s function.


...i´d say
A lot of truth to this. But also keep in mind being able to 'understand' reality to the point you can accurately create an illusion using paints takes a lot more knowledge then most 10 years olds have. Although, when i was 10 i spoke 6 languages fluently.. this girl's work is not too far fetched.

Its all about what the mind focuses itself on. A mind which learns a little of everything (like normal kids) will not show above average ability in any one area until later in life. If the child focuses, this girl is the end result.

But lets just hope for this girl, she does not 'lose' this talent.. like how i lost all of those languages by the time i hit 15. :(

[flatliner]

Man, crazy. I was reading the bio, and began to think it must be a hoax, or greatly exaggerated, but im not the kind of person to say such a thing.

On the subject of talent, I believe it exisits, but not in the sense that some people can paint, some people can't. Peoples mind will develop to be more perseptive to certain things, such as light, colour, etc. But, if some one was to emulate her upbringing with their kid, I still believe that they would have similar ability. Also, such a strong belief in God must really boost self-confidence and disipline. That must really help when teaching yourself skills like these.

They grew monarch butterflies from cocoons they found in the meadows, wrote their own books, baked their own cookies and built huge snow igloos in winter

Ha! that made me laugh.

[JARhead]

Shes good, and no one can say otherwise.

[tatiana]

Shes good, and no one can say otherwise.

She appears to have pretty good technique for her age. Her subject matter and compositions however are not very original.

I'm more curious about the various teachers she's been influenced by, that she's gotten instruction from or had workshops with...in addition to the home-schooling from her parents. And, I will be much more interested in seeing what she comes up with once she's older if she continues to grow as an artist.

I also think she has a great marketing team and probably alot of support from her family and community or she wouldn't be having the gallery shows and various tv appearances.

t

[bracomadar]

I always assumed to be a good artist you had to have the right talent, or makeup of the brain to notice detail. Actually, art can be anything creative. Her talent and what makes her special is that she can spot detail in things and reproduce them on canvass. Well, lots of people can do that, but she's only 10! I think that the way you bring up a child can influence their artistic talent. I think it would be hard to teach a child to be an artist, but for them to have the gift and having it nurtured, you could help make a good artist. There are probably a lot of people out there who could do wonderful works of art, but just don't realize they have the talent because they haven't been inspired to do so. Think of all those kids in 3rd world countries who have to go to work every day and don't have the time, or money to paint, or draw. There could be some goat herding kid in Africa that could be the next Leonardo da Vinci, but would never get the chance to show his talent because his family depends on him to guard the goats. This girl was born underwater, probably had classical music played to her when she was a kid, refrained from watching TV that wasn't educational, taken on nature hikes, etc. If all you give a child is an artistic and thought invoking environment, they what do you think you'll get back? Of course I don’t know what being born underwater would really do to you.

Also, why do Atheists always seem to come down hard on Christians? Whenever someone does an image of Buddha, or some Celtic god thing, I don't hear anyone ranting, or raving over it. Just because she's Christian and her artwork is of Jesus and Christian themes, why does that make her a bad artist? I don't care what you believe, but just to let you know, you sound like assholes when you do that. You actually sound like an Atheist version of this guy...
http://www.liberty.edu/media/1616/falwellcutout.jpg

[Monkeylizard]

That's not talent... That's something... else...

Something unholy. >:| >:| >:| >:|

[Mike Thompson]

No doubt she has talent, not denying that at all. She's supremely talented! As a teacher and parent, I know about and have seen the dangers of pushing kids too far with their talents, no matter the amount they possess. Take sport fathers for instance, or those beauty pageant moms who endlessly push their kids often beyond the breaking point to where their interest no longer exists. I don't claim to know how she's being raised. I simply hope she has time, or takes the time, to willingly participate in other activities besides painting. Of course, I hope her desire to create art NEVER wanes!

[dindon]

there are a hell of a lot of 10 year old kids who can do things better than i can. ever heard of richard sandrak? that kid could bench 210 pounds when he was 8.

all it is is that these kids have been raised in an environment that focuses on these skills. if weightlifting was as essential as speaking english, we all would be benching 400 pounds by now.

[NoSeRider]

Oh god, I hope they don't put her in the public school system. Those kids will destroy her.

I always find it strange that these child art prodigys always seem to have parents that were involved in the fine art industry though.

[Blahm]

once this kid hit puberty its gonna be all weed extasy cocaine and devil warship. And we may see some good art out of her yet.

[broken lizard]

she's going to lose all interest and either work at mcdonald's for the rest of her life, or kill herself when she realizes that her life ain't worth living 'cos she's accomplished what she wants to do with her life already.


and she was probably hit on the wrist with an isotope and is now a superhuman with all-consuming drawing passion to paint god, because HE HIT HER WITH THE ISOTOPE. and what was this "life changing spiritual transformation"? is she jesus or something?

[corky13]

She does a amazingly good job for her age...technically...

But her art is boring....i prefer a technically not so well sketch more than any of the stuff she creates....

Besides that= Someone wrote in the Teenage-artists thread that art is a journey and we all go through it our whole life....
I think thats true...Akiane is almost at the beginning of her journey....nothing impressive so far...

[Wolfykins]

That sickens me. x-x She's 6 years younger than me and throughly whipped my butt. Her stuff isn't all that interesting, but she can paint. Which is more than I can say.

[Daunting]

Her art is very boring. But her technical skill is quite good. If she keeps that up and start opening herself up a bit and not just draw what she see, she would be unstoppable.

[Kittywolf13]

First off, theres nothing wrong in believeing in God. It doesnt harm anyone that she does. (theres a quote that goes something like this "I'd rather live my life believing in God, and dieing and finding out that he might not exisit then live my life not believeing and dieing to find out he does exist.") theres nothing wrong with that. Personally i thought artists were either the most tolerant people on the world, or the type to take their opnions creativly and put them in a perspective that most people wouldnt have noticed....i never suspected them to be so violent about it.

Yes she's talented. she spent her whole life observeing from life and drawing, and practiceing forms, colors, shadows and all other aspects of technicality...however, her art still lacks the "life" that many of the artists from CA have in their art. we place lots of emotions and expereinces from our own lives in are art, and thats what speaks to us. what does a ten year old have to put in a piece of art in the sense of her own life experiences? hence their bland, yet beautiful. take that into consideration. All of her paintings are from dreams that she has had, visions as she calls it. Who's to denie that visions dont exist? (people believe in psycics? are they real?)

Also something i'd like to note. the website was designed by her two older brothers, and the biographies must be written by her mother; seeing as the girls father is addressed as "My husband." obviously their must be more involvment from the parents then just that. i highly doubt a 14 year old has access to the amount of money, or access to find servers and all that technical jazz to run a website...but that aside, i think people should just read the site if you want to know why, or how the site itself came about.

I just sincerly hope that she countinues to do well and does the things she says she plans on doing. (seriously if her paintings are going for 700,000 dollars, i'm glad to see she wishes to doante to organazations.) she isnt harming anyone with her art, nor with her preaching (and it isnt like she's saying, if you dont believe you'll DIE in hell.) and the money she's earned i'm sure is put to somewhat good use. (they were poor before, there are four siblings including her, what about college? and of course portions of the money are donated.)

I think its very interesting and inspireing, thats all...and i just want people to look into what their talking about, before shooting off whatever opnions they have. i'm not flameing nor am i angry. i'm just putting my two cents in. On with the discussions! :)

[Kittywolf13]

-Oh and another thing to note, is that at the moment she really hasnt taken much instruction from any art teacher...claiming that it is "boreing" and lacking knowledge or something to that extent, to what God has taught and shown her. just thought i'd throw that in as well, as i saw some people discussing and wondering who has taught her what. so for being self taught for the majority of things, i think shes really quite good. just lacking "life" that only liveing life can bring to art.

[Robert.B]

omg LOL this is wierd. Did you see the detail she had at 8!?


MY SKETCH DOOKIES (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47127) AND PATHETIC TURD MOUND (http://vermad.deviantart.com/)

[MattGamer]

amazing! i love her goal... dang that's awesome!

wish i started at that age... dang.

[Sinnyo]

I'd have to say that on first sight of this site I immediately jumped to the conclusion that something's fishy there. May well be that same sort of snobbish jealousy that creeps in with all 'gifted child' things, but it does seem awfully farfetched that a girl that young can paint so well.

But hey, who am I to talk? I've dived right in amongst a seemingly philosophical discussion stretching from her own ability to the belief in God with only my own blind scepticism to go on. :P

[HugeHarHar]

Well, what about her brothers and sisters? I mean, they ain't got nothing on her. So they sit around playing with legos while she's off on Operah or painting 5 foot pictures of Jesus. I'd hate to grow up next to that.

"Hello, this is my son Jimmy. He just got all A's on his report card!"
"Well, this is Akaine, my daughter, she just got back from being a guest on Operah."
"Sigh...Well....isn't that nice..."

While I'm pretty apathetic when it comes to religion, I can apperciate where she gets her inspiration from. Just look on CA, you'll see 14 and 15 year olds asking, begging, questing to see what everyone else's inspirations are, while she's already found hers. Even if most of her art is lacking that extra touch, she has the ability to do what she wants, and the inspiration as well.

[Blue]

Yea but in the end at her age...

Social skills > Art skills.

When you are that young, you NEED to learn how a group dynamic works, you need to learn to interact with others properly. Yea, she is a xerox machine but later in life i can already see how many problems she will have...

[hemmendorff]

Bwäehhhh shut up. I think she'll have a fucking dandy life. She's has great technical skill and i'm sure she'll evolve into one amazing artist one day. Allthough that'll have to wait until she has her teenage rebellion.

It's gonna be great! She might stick to religion, but she'll start snorting a lot of coke anyhow. And at age 17 she'll start directing porn with russian orthodox choral soundtracks.

I can't wait!

[armando]

A thing with this type of art is the finished piece doesn't tell you how much skill the person has, it says on the website she takes a hundred hours per painting. The only way to know how much someone knows and how much they can do is to see them do it, which is what we see in sports and musical improvisation. Anyone can be taught how to take measurements, and proper technique, but lets see them bust out some sketches with a #2 pencil on ugly yellow notebook paper drawing from their memory. It's obvious that her parents taught her techniques, and she seems to have an ego. Really I'm just jealous. Oh, Bach was mentioned a while back, I have no idea why, but I like his music. Good for studying counterpoint and harmonic resolution and a bunch of other stuff I don't know about. You can learn some stuff by reading the bible, even if your not religious, of course some parts are worthless if your not a believer.

Luthien Rogue :
"I'm much more impressed by this little girl who obviously just loves to paint: http://www.marlaolmstead.com/home.html"

I saw this brat a few weeks ago on 20/20 and she's so obviously coached, and hyped.

[Blahm]

when she starts doing heavy drugs she will either kill herself or become a great artist.

[halflife99]

Little bastard.
How dare she draw better than me.
I go hang myself...

[armando]

I decided to show one of my old masterpieces because of the great cyborgwar example. Here's a videogame idea I came up with when I was 8. There's some Contra, Ghouls n Ghosts, Mario 3, Altered Beast, Mega Man, Zelda, and Rastan influence. On the close up are the bosses on the left, with the final boss and his powers in the middle(35 bosses total!), enemies and weapons on the right. Lets see her come up with this stuff. 8)

[armando]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/_armando_navarro/mygame.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/_armando_navarro/enemiescloseup.jpg