Mozilla and Animated Gif moving too fast???

[JoshuaTheJames]

Hey guys,

On my Mozilla Browser Animated Gifs Tend to move too quickly.

For instance...this one has a slower walk but, on my Mozilla Browser he is power walking heh.

http://www.joshuathejames.com/smilies/naruto.gif

Does anyone know why this is?
The CA smilies move at the right speed for me so I don't know what the deal is.


thanks,

-Joshua James

[Art_Addict]

Hey you're right, tried it myself. I never noticed that , strange...
Don't know why...

[young paddy1]

dunno what speed you see him at but he's freakin me out.

It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

[MuffinMan]

it's becuase mozilla is a faster thinking browser than stupid IE...
IE is so unprotected. i can't even use it now...its so fucked up...

[NoUseFrAName]

in animation, timing is everything.

I downloaded Mozilla the other day to see what all the fuss was about...first thing I noticed was the hyper-speed gifs.
IE works fine for me...haven't ever had any problems with it...and I've never had to use any pop up blockers at all, or antivirus software.

I hate to imagine the sites that all the IE haters are visiting to need all these defense measures.

-Rob

[jfrancis]

How did you make them?

If you use a program that encodes "holds" into key frames (like imageready) maybe mozilla ignores the timing, which sounds like a bug.

If you make a movie in, say After Effects, and export it as an animated gif frame-for-frame -- I wonder what it does.

[jfrancis]

I made an animation in Maya and ran it through After Effects. I think the Mozilla speed might be the correct speed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/jfrancis/junk4/grass2.gif

[donkeyslayer]

because IE has a maximum framerate at which it can play gifs. it might be like... 50 FPS or something. if you have it any more than that, IE will play it at the max frame rate. mozilla doesn't care for frame rate and will play it as fast as it is.

[sula_nebouxi]

I think it's a problem with the gif's themselves. Mozilla is playing them at the framerate encoded within the gif's. So there's nothing wrong with Mozilla, the gif's were just designed for that screwed up browser, IE.

[BlueMech]

It's funyn b/c my old website layout worked in IE b/c IE does thinks it shouldn't. So when I had my CS teacher looked at my code he just laughed and said that it was all wrong. It was really messed up so I just redid my whoel site(which I needed to anyway). I hate IE with a passion. I've neevr noticed messed up animated gifs, but I generally don't come across them very often.

[squirpy]

the one that jfrancis did works perfectly in Firefox and Camino (another Mozilla build), but won't even play in IE. I love Mozilla.

[Lizkay]

I had the same problem with Safari on MAC, the animations just run too fast also layered websites don't work correct, etc.
The thing with IE is, it don't likes transparent sprites, I made a bunch of animated sprites for a pixel-based game, they work perfect in all programms and also in the game, than we tried to use them on a website as gif. the strange thing, if the animation is 5 frames long the browser "kills" the last or the first row of pixels in the middle frames (frame 2 or 3) I never saw that before, the other thing is after I gave the gifs a frame around they work normal, and all the pixels are visible... I just went GUH??!! When I saw that the first time, I am not sure what's wrong with these gifs. the other thing is they show up fine in Mozilla, just as already said they run faster...

[Prometheus|ANJ]

It has to do with the default setting for frames with 0 seconds of delay (an invalid value). I had a link to a mozilla article where it was explained but I can't dig it up now.

Firefox replaces 0 with a shorter delay than IE does. Also, in Firefox you can set the delay to any value you fancy.

IE replaces 0 with a longer delay. I think IE also doesn't allow you to set any delay you want, and thus forces the animation to play at a certain minimum speed, whether you like it or not.

IE is not using the standard default delay value. The reason browsers aren't compatible is largely IE's/M$'s fault, cuz they didn't follow the standards from the start, which doesn't work in the long run.


Edit: The reason my smileys are moving right is because I set the delay value manually for each frame. Some people are too lazy to do this and just leave the delays at 0s (and thus use the default value of the player/browser).

[LaPalida]

Heh NoUse I hope you're joking... I can't imagine anyone who uses the net alot not being aware of the insecurity and instability of IE.

As far as animations go (I don't have Mozilla, I have Firefox) and I do get occasional gif glitches with it (for example sometimes the gif is frozen on one frame). Not sure what would cause it and never bothered to find out.

[USER777]

JUST DOWNLOAD FIREFOX and all your problems with browser will magically disappear!

>:D

[slickcoder]

it's becuase mozilla is a faster thinking browser than stupid IE...
IE is so unprotected. i can't even use it now...its so fucked up...

LOL... not quite. a browser is an application, two applications on the same machine can't "think faster" than each other.

Browsers generally time the framerate of animated gifs based off of the number of times the browser itself repaints. Microsoft added that the minimum frame length for a gif is 100ms (1/10 of a sec), firefox did not, so the minimum on firefox would be as fast as it can process the GIF's frame. I would go way into the technical points of what a browser is really doing behind the scenes and how it renders itself to your screen, but I think that would bore the living crap out of you all. As I've said before, I'm not an artist, I'm a developer. ;)

[slickcoder]

JUST DOWNLOAD FIREFOX and all your problems with browser will magically disappear!

>:D

Firefox IS Mozilla. :nohope:

[NoUseFrAName]

Heh NoUse I hope you're joking... I can't imagine anyone who uses the net alot not being aware of the insecurity and instability of IE.

no joke. I've never had problems with IE instability...at least since I got my new system last summer, and insecurity issues are kinda....pointless for me to worry about. I don't make much of an interesting target for hackers(if hackers even exist anymore, lol).
Maybe if I was doing some sort of online banking or something....but even then, I don't exactly have enough to make it worth the effort to steal from me.

I do an online scan( antivirus.com's housecall) once a month. Had a worm on my comp once...it got rid of it. People I know that use Norton and other such system-slowing software get way more viruses than you could throw a stick at.
Spyware...yeah, I get the odd tracker now and then...but with AD-Aware, I get maybe 10 or 15 new items each month...easy to deal with.

My IE is nice and clean...no add-on popup blockers or search bars clogging up my view of things. It runs nice and fast. JTJ's animation runs perfect. Web pages appear correctly.
I'm simply failing to see why it's so evil.
I get the occasional popup, sure...but that doesn't bother me. Back when suprnova.org was going, you could just leave the popup in the background and forget about it.

I've used firefox a bit more since that last post of mine, and the speed difference doesn't seem huge or anything. I'm sure it's probably more secure...maybe more stable....but I don't get why it's so insane for me to stick with IE. Is there something I should be doing to push the program harder so I can actually witness it's instabilities?

Anyways, in summary, firefox seems like a good program...but IE hardly seems as evil as people make it outto be.

-Rob

[slickcoder]

Firefox and IE both have their exploitable weaknesses. Classically there are more exploits written for IE, why? It's the most popular browser! 90% of people on the web are using IE. If you're going to write an exploit you'll want to create it to effect the majority, not the minority. It's that simple.

The upside for IE is that Microsoft is the industry leader in bug support and patch turn around time. That's a cold, solid fact. Not even your biggest Mac advocate would argue with that. (unless they're slow, lol). Another upside to IE is that it supports a lot more scripting and CSS styles than every other browser.

Firefox, in fact is a LOT like IE, with the exception that when you install it everything that's remotely "unsecure" is toggled off. Whereas in IE, it's toggled on by default.

With the lastest version of IE, however, Microsoft's browser security is comparable to Mozilla Firefox on many levels.

Regardless of which browser you use though, you're going to get junk and spyware on your machine. No browser is completely "secure". I'd recommend getting Lavasoft's Ad Aware (it's free, and I think they make it for Mac too) and running it once a week or so regardless of how "secure" you think your websurfing is. trust me, it'll find stuff. I'd also recommend getting Zone Alarm (alse free) as a firewall, and AVG Free (free again) as a virus scanner if you don't have any of these things already. No matter what OS you use, or what browser you use, your machine is only as safe as you make it.

[LaPalida]

Anyways, in summary, firefox seems like a good program...but IE hardly seems as evil as people make it outto be.

Heh evil not necessarily because it's unstable or unsecure but more because it's the big bad MS that's releasing it. Firefox is opensource that's why it's mostly preferred to IE but don't get me wrong it's way better than IE and in more ways that one.

IE which is released by a professional corp such as MS has insane amounts of bugs and exploits. Like gigantic gaping holes in a sieve that let viruses throught with a welcoming mat. You just have to ask any programmer and he will tell you how much there is wrong with IE. For example you know the reason that hackers were able to jack the HL2 code off of Valve servers was because they exploited the IE bug in OE. If you just ran FF you wouldn't have to run AA every month to check for spyware. There was recently a virus that attacked machines that had IE installed through... JPG's, yes through JPG's. See the way MS fixes problems is : "Boy we sure hope that most people won't notice this", like sticking their heads in the sand and hoping the problem will go away as long as no one notices it. Also people don't need to run Norton to have a secure machine. There are gazillion free antiviruses that do the job better, faster, cheaper, and update virus definitions almost daily. My friend works at a company where he is a programmer, all their machines run FF and none use OE. Our business for example uses Eudora for e-mails.

slickcoder Mozilla and Firefox are 2 different browsers released by the same company called Mozilla hence Mozilla Firefox .... should I say :nohope: ?

I will post some links about IE security (or rather the lack of):

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,106244,00.asp
http://news.com.com/Another+Internet+Explorer+flaw+found/2100-7349_3-5259374.html?tag=nefd.top
http://www.guninski.com/browsers.html
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/security/0,39020375,39160000,00.htm

oh hey this one was discovered only last week! http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119217,pg,1,RSS,RSS,00.asp

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3840101.stm

LOL "Users are being told to avoid using Internet Explorer until Microsoft patches a serious security hole in it."

You know there are so many links I think you should just do a search on google for "Internet Explorer security problems" and see what you get. I recommend to switch browsers before it's too late. The lack of problems on your system will lull you into a sense of complacency and then shit will hit the fan and you're going to lose alot of work. That's what happened to me (although I was able to fix the problem by downloading 7 different programs and editing the registry keys ... ugh... and it took about 10 virus scans to get rid of all the trojans that kept on multiplying.) Believe me it will save you alot of headaches, but it's your choice.

[SJ Bennighof]

Hm... I've got both IE and Firefox on my machine. I don't use Firefox because of one simple problem I'm having. The AutoScroll that I use in IE as my scroll wheel click, which appears as a flat black-and-white circle, is very helpful and offers for smooth control. Whenever I wheel click in Firefoz, a different-looking, gradient-shaded circle appears, and this one offers very choppy and inaccurate control.

Is there any way I can make Firefox's AutoScroll act like IE's? I know this is off-topic, but the thread's shifted to Firefox vs IE discussion anyway.

[slickcoder]

slickcoder Mozilla and Firefox are 2 different browsers released by the same company called Mozilla hence Mozilla Firefox .... should I say ?


Touche. I had thought they discontinued the older Mozilla in favor of Firefox.

I'm not up on my anti-IE literature. But as an industry professional, I assure you, Firefox has just as many security holes, but not as many people have found them because not as many people use Firefox so hackers don't bother. Get it? Trust me, no popular web browser on the market is safe. Period. Everyone is advised to use something other than IE and the same week just as many exploits are found for Firefox, but it's less publicized. Why? Not as many people use Firefox! Its safety is in its obscurity. A lot of anti-Microsoft, anti-IE folks tend to only seek out damning statistics on IE, but fail to post anything about Firefox's, Mozilla or Opera's vulnerabilities.

I'm not saying IE is safe, because it isn't... nothing is. If Firefox became the most popular browser, it would become the most hacked browser in short order. Samething goes for all software. That's just the nature of hacking.

The only advantage that Microsoft has over it's competition is the fact that they push out patches for known issues nearly as fast as they are reported. They are the best in the industry at fixing holes and turning out updates seemlessly.

[LaPalida]

You're probably right about that slickcoder. It's like people claiming that Apple is more secure than PC... (in a sense it is since less hacks are written for it, but definitely not because it's coded to be more secure). However from personal experience I didn't have any popups, spyware or trojans install on my machine since using Firefox; I don't remember the last time I had to do an AA scan, but then again I am also running AdWatch, PeerGuardian in the bg although I turn them off often since they block alot of the sites out there, and occasionally Spywareblaster and HighjackThis, I also edited my hosts file with the known adcrap sites. It seems the reason that IE is not so great is because it's older technology compared to FF and uses such things as activeX components that write commands on your system which is mostly what hackers exploit (something that FF doesn't allow). Nothing will ever be secure that is true but newer programs overcome problems of the old and thus they are superior.

[LaPalida]

SJ Bennighof

I don't know about autoscroll I never really used it. But if you want to improve your scrolling you might want to install the smoothscrolling plug-in available for FireFox (it stops the chopping) which uses the wheel to scroll instead.

[Chris J. Anderson!]

young paddy1 said: It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
HAhahahahaha!!!!

[slickcoder]

IE now has Popup blocking, *some* anti-virus protection built in, a lot more notifications for plug-ins, potentially dangerous scripts and the like, and Microsoft just released its Anti-Spyware tools in Beta, so expect your PC to recieve that via windows update in short order.

[Prometheus|ANJ]

What's great about Firefox is the extensions. Mouse gestures, Web developer, Nuke anything, ColorZilla, SpiderZilla, Image toolbar, (Pornzilla?), and tons of other stuff. There's also the somewhat obscure about:config settings that allow you to do a ton of useful stuff, plus the whole chrome/skin deal. And you can clean up the rightclick menu so you don't click 'Send image' or something annoying when you're going for 'Save image'. Lots of small things like that add up.

IE worked fine for me while I used it, but feel seriously crippled whenever I have to use it now. But yeah if you just surf 5 mins a day IE is enough.


I read somewhere that Firefox has a 5-10% market share or something. It's mainly because IE is still widely used by the computer illiterate office people (the same people responsible for spreading viruses by opening all attachments).


Here's my webstats though (I get a couple of hundred index page views a day). This is not taking IE spoofs into account (Other browsers spoofing IE. I doubt IE users are spoofing)


1. Internet Explorer 6.x 49.5 %
2. Mozilla Firefox 1.x 26.4 %
3. Internet Explorer 5.x 8.8 %
4. Mozilla Firefox 5.9 %
5. Safari 1.x 4.0 %
6. Mozilla 1.x 2.6 %
7. Opera 7.x 1.5 %
8. Netscape 7.x 1.1 %
9. Netscape 3.x 0.4 %

[SJ Bennighof]

SJ Bennighof

I don't know about autoscroll I never really used it. But if you want to improve your scrolling you might want to install the smoothscrolling plug-in available for FireFox (it stops the chopping) which uses the wheel to scroll instead.

Ah, thank you very much.