[Uptdated 12-19-2004] Down Drawings

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Well, there is always a first time.
After a long time looking the awsome stuff the people post in here, I decide to follow the advice of my good friend samos and post some stuff...
I hope you like them guys, is all works from this semester, figure drawing homeworks...
Crits are more than wellcome...

This is a copy of some guy from Russia, I don't know the name of the dude, but the guy is amazing, the only thing I know is that he was a student of 4th year in some school in Russia and that he is awsome...

http://72.10.33.168/pics/ruso2.jpg

And some other stuff, this time is not a copy from nobody, just myself using reference of course...

http://72.10.33.168/pics/GordaVictoriaWEB.jpg

http://72.10.33.168/pics/PeleaWEB.jpg

http://72.10.33.168/pics/GestureWEB.jpg

That's it for today, I hope I can post often... Time will say...

[Bence]

great anatomy and realism. :teeth:

[steak-tron]

wow, great figures!! keep posting.

[sixlibras]

great renderings! do you have any studies that you have done from life?
how long did each of these take?

[James Kei]

These are amazing!
Great sense of form, lighting and contrast..bravo!

Where do you study?

Keep posting!!!!!!!

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Bence: Thank you man.
steak-tron: Thanks a lot.
sixlibras: Thanks man. Yes I have some studies, as soon as I can take a photo I will post them. Those toke a loooooooot of time. I didn't keep the trak though. :P
James Kei: Thanks man. I am at the Academy of Art majoring Illustration...

Thanks to all of you guys, I'll keep posting as soon as my finals allow me :wink:

[fakeraaven]

Now this is insane.
I love the first picture (besides, the others are pretty much as nice), , great work!

[sephrix]

fantastic values and lighting, love it

[Sam0s]

Finally!, he enters the stage.

Always worth mentioning again; beautiful job on these Albert! I've enjoyed watching the process. Mr.Wu has certainly thaught you well :confident

now, nuff egoboosting and get back to work!

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fakeraaven: Thank you man.
sephrix: Thank you very much.
Sam0s: Dude, do I know U???, hehehe... ;) ... Thanks man. Thanks for sharing your webspace... :p I'll see you tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after... hahaha. And remeber the "Great Trochanter" is watching U...

Thanks to all of you guys... I'm trying to fix my webspace so I can post my stuff without bother nobody, I know samos is doing it because he loves me but I don't want to abuse.

[Dizon]

OMG ! those are so cool!

I used to study at the AAU, what classes were those from ???

[Daunting]

Thats so cool... too cool... how can you critique that.

[uRiDiAN]

what are you doing surfing the intermaweb, davinci? shouldn't you be working on your giant drawing? lotsa great great trochanters in those drawings... specially "right here, next to the neck point..."

you should post some in class stuff, too...
nice to see these finished... came out great... see you monday...

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patdzon: Thanks man. Those are from Intermidiate Figure Drawing with James Wu, aka "the man"...
Daunting: Thanks!
uRiDiAN: HAhahahha, what are U doin here!!!! go back to work!!!!! Thanks man, i'll see u on monday, and you can go home change, should be OK.

[Lim]

no crits
pure impression
..
loss for words

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.. 5 stars!!!!!!1

[Azazel]

Wow, seriously nice stuff, Down. Care to give us an idea of the materials used and the size of the originals? (I can't be the only person who wants to know)

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Lim: Thanks!!!
Azazel: Thanks!!!. About the question, all of them are 19x25 inches. The first one is velvet gray strathmore charcoal paper and pastel pencil (brown-red and white charcoal pencil for higlights). The rest are black canson pastel paper and white charcoal pencil. I think this answer the question ;)

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Hi everybody... Finally I have my own webspace so I can post some more stuff. Thanks SamOs for your space while I was fixing mine ;)

Ok here I go

This is another copy of another russian guy, the original (from the russian guy) is amazing. I copied this before the other one

http://72.10.33.168/pics/ruso1.jpg

Now some drawings from class, they are not finished, I am veeeeeryyyyy slow. But I feel like posting them

http://72.10.33.168/pics/semana3.jpg

http://72.10.33.168/pics/semana4.jpg

http://72.10.33.168/pics/semana5.jpg

http://72.10.33.168/pics/semana8.jpg

I hope you enjoy them. Critiques are more than welcome, as always.
I'll post some more whenever I have time to take the pictures...

[Sanby]

Wow, these are incredible. The rendering is amazing. I really like those first three black and white ones you posted. Sweet

Sanby

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Here I go again, these are some more life drawings, this time with pastel, same size.

http://72.10.33.168/pics/semana9.jpg

http://72.10.33.168/pics/semana10.jpg

http://72.10.33.168/pics/semana11.jpg

Still learning how to use them. Crits welcome as usual.

[Chinch]

Way to be Da vinci, You're the man! The wrestlers turned out really tight. I'll see ya monday, GET TO WORK!

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Chinch: Hahahaha, not "the man" yet. THE MAN is James Wu!!! You go back to work NOW!!!!, see ya on monday man. Thanks ;)

some more pastel drawings, the colors are off because my place has a fucked up lightening. I'm sorry, I have to find a good place to take my pics.

This first one is from a photo, long time to finish it, and 19x25 inches:

http://72.10.33.168/pics/JessieWEB.jpg

These two are from class, so they are life drawing, about 2'5-3 hours (more or less). Same size.

http://72.10.33.168/pics/semana12.jpg

http://72.10.33.168/pics/semana13.jpg

Crits and comments are always welcome, don't be shy, hehehe... Hope you enjoy them watching them as much as i did doing them. :bashful:

[iFLUFFED]

Awesome drawing bro. I love the mood on em. Not a thing to crit, but i will say your lucky you dont live by me or your drawing might just dissapear.
Keep posting!

iFLUFFED

[Sanby]

That first one is incredible. But, I really like the others as well, becaue the mood is great, and I like the way you can see the strokes,

Sanby

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Sanby: Thanks!!
iFLUFFED: I don't know how to take that, i guess it is a compliment and not a thread, heheh, just joking ;) Thanks man

I'll post next week, finals are here noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

a little finals dance for you guys

http://72.10.33.168/pics/bailoteo.gif

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Here some drawings from the first semester (january to may 2004), I hope you enjoy them while I work on my finals...

1st: compressed charcoal, Karl Jensen technique, hahaha... from photo (yeah, I know Einstein is dead)

2nd: Charcoal, study of drapery, from life


http://www.down.dj/pics/einstein

http://www.down.dj/pics/trapo

And now, back to work

[Sanby]

Awesome. I really llike the lighting in the cloth study, it is great.

What is the Karl Jensen technique?

Sanby

[cateaic]

These are seriously some of the best life drawings ive ever seen. hot dam!!!! oh and good luck with finals =)

[onurbasaldi]

very cool stuff. Some of the best I've ever seen. But the dance. The dance I bow down to :bow:

[le_fish]

Great stuff. I saw the originals in Bradley hall. Very nice.

Keep up the good work.

[steak-tron]

Man these are some gorgeous figures. It looks like you're pulling out forms from a dark ground more? Those developed ones must take ages, with great results tho.

[Pesmerga]

I love wour stuff. Keep'em coming

[Main Loop]

ohhh so you're the guy that's currently rulling Bradley Hall right now.. I know who you are, I was the guy at Drawing for Animators with the E&A sticker on my drawing board.. heh i had Karl Jensen too.. you seem like another one that got a lot out of him, compared to the other people in class.. Proportions are the biggest fault for now, in the "from life" stuff.. Spend more time measuring stuff out in the beginning.. it gets easier and easier after enough practice.. edges are the second weak point.. you'll learn you dont have to outline everything with a broad line so much.. have you taken much painting classes? once you can paint, you'll see that you can draw in a "painterly" style as well.. when people paint, for the most part they dont put heavy outlines around stuff.. are you an illustration major? Starting next semester, go to as many drawing/painting workshops as you can.. you'll be one of the good guys, i can see it, as long as you keep practicing constantly.. dont slack over the break either!

[Sam0s]

hm..that didnt sound right..
Main_Loop

I disagree, proportions is something down take very seriously and spends a lot of time on...other than the occasional observational slacking (like we all all do when too much mind interferes with the perception) i would prolly say his eye for proportion is close to perfect for his sophmore level. Not having enough time to re-adjust his proportions and outline caused whatever proportional problems you say you see.

Concerning painting and edges...down came in as an established freelance painter to sanfran. Would you care sharing what edge issues you see?, actually, be more specific in whatever issues you see.

Besides these points, I agree. He will be one of the greater senior illustrators at the AAU.

Anyways, knock this thread back up and give us your Finals highlights Albert.

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Sanby: Thank you. That is a technique that used a teacher here at the Academy of Art, his name is Karl Jensen. He uses compressed charcoal and no smudge, so u get that effect of texture. more or less that's the technique.

cateaic: Thanks!!!! oh BTW the finals were great ;)

onurbasaldi: Thanks!, yes the dance is coooooooooool hehe.

le_fish: Thanks man, so another AAU student, ah? I'll see you around, i guess...

steak-tron: Thanks a lot man. The developed ones took me ages, yes. the price that the artist has to pay, hahaha....

Pesmerga: Thanks a lot!

Main Loop: Ohhh, so you are Main Loop... I appreciate your crits man, but if you could be more precisee and point were the proportion problems are it would be helpful to me. That would be nice. For the painting question. Yes I took still life painting 1 this semester, but i painted a lot with acrylics in the past. Yes, my major is Illustration, and yes, I will go to more workshops starting from next semester. Don't worry about me salcking, that's something that I can take care of it ;) . Thanks for the compliment man, I hope I'll be one of the good ones, but this is only a matter of work and time man,

Samos: You said it all my brother!!!, Have fun in the workshop man, I'll do the same back at home! Thanks Man.

Here is the final for figure drawing: White charcoal on black Illustartion board. 40x32 inches, yes it is bigggggggg. about 40 hours, but I am not sure. Anyway it was fun and hard to carry up and down the streets, hahaha. I hope you like it. Any crits are welcome, please be specific though, ;)

http://www.down.dj/pics/final

I'll try to post from home, but i don't know if i will be able to do it, i don't have internet back in spain, but I guess my friends will be kind to me. For those that are in SF in January: HAVE FUN AT THE WORKSHOP

[le_fish]

Down - I agree with Main loop about issues in the drawings that you did from life(Workshop or class). Here are the things I see.

-Head seems to be slightly small
http://72.10.33.168/pics/semana10.jpg
http://72.10.33.168/pics/semana11.jpg

-Arms and/or legs(In some cases torso as well) seems to be slightly too long
http://72.10.33.168/pics/semana12.jpg

-Watch out for the balance of a standing figure
http://72.10.33.168/pics/semana3.jpg

Your stuff that you drawn from photo ref are great. However, when one draws from photo he/she is transfering from 2D surface to another 2D surface. When you draw from life, your brain have to process the 3 dimension information on to a 2D surface. That is why your stuff from life model does not look as hot as you master studies or the ones with photo ref. I think the point Main loop is trying to stress(correct me if I am wrong) is that by going to more workshop and work from life, you are training your brain to do the thinking. After being trained well in drawing/painting from life, then you will be able to use photo ref much more efficiently.

Don't get me wrong, I think doing master study is a great way to learn how the masters approach thier subjuect.

Also, you seems to simplify the anamotomy a lot when working from life. When you do so, make sure to get the right shape and rythm of what ever you are drawing. Give each part of the body a lot more form and dimension than what you have there. Don't relie on the rendering too much. Use every tool you have(lines, shade, shapes...) to suggest form.

Anyway, just my humble opinions.

[Dizon]

I know how it is at the Academy, alot of students take photos of models for use on their projects, I don't blame anyone on doing that but the masters always used live models for their work and If you can afford hiring models, please do so or get some of your friends to pose for you. I have no doubt that you go to the workshops alot, that is the best time to ask a model to pose for you live. A problem that could arise is the the lack of workspace at your place, if that is so then just use one of the classrooms at the school and that should be the perfect place to work on your projects!

Perhaps one of the main reasons why students take photos is the abundance of projects put on them depending on what classes they are taking. That can be a bitch sometimes especially during finals week, but all I can say is just plan and organize your schedule and maybe do your stuff earlier than usual so you have space for your other projects as well.

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le_fish: Yeaaaah, that's the kind of crits that I like to hear. Thanks man. Now I see the issues. Main Loop pointed them roughly, that's why I asked for a more specific crit. Thanks again
patdzon: Yup, I wish I could work more from models. I think that is the key. But, as you said... time, money and space. But i'll figure it out... Thanks for the coments.

[Main Loop]

Samos- Youre probably right, these are very good for the experience level.. I just wanna be sure that he keeps these things always in mind, because it's very important for a long pose to get the proportions down solid. Le-fish basically went into the details as far as what i saw..heh, he should run a workshop, he already helps coordinate most of em ;)
What i was talking about as far as edges go, you usually put a rough outline around the form edges, and light and shadow separation is a bit abrupt.. I just took this drawing as an example:
http://remtek.net/0/mainloop/default/images/07/189.jpg
http://www.remtek.net/0/mainloop/default/images/07/188.jpg

I circled the most obvious areas to me that seemed not to need an outline around the edge.. dont be afraid to blend the background and figure in certain areas.. if you need separation, its usually a lot more effective to use tone instead of line.. That's what I meant, i hope it makes sense, if not i'll have le_fish clear it up for me heh

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Main Loop:
sorry for the delay answering, i was back at home, no internet

Thanks for taking your time to post the mistakes, i'll think about them and i'll fix them in next works :D

[Icey]

wow... love your studys! The detail level is great, and it doesn't alter your shape, as mine does! Love your work! <3
The small mistakes i think are insegnificant...

[-j-]

beautiful work. love it all.

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Thanks Icey and -j- ....

I'll try to update soon... hopefully.

[AdamBlack]

:$ :$ :$ :$

*breaks pencil*

That's it. I quit. :lineart:

Adam

[Dizon]

:$ :$ :$ :$

*breaks pencil*

That's it. I quit. :lineart:

Adam


LOL!!!! thats funny man!

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AdamBlack: Thanks man... but i agree with patdzon... lol

[Treb]

Hey Albert, you should post that one atrocious painting in Mitch's class where we went all ambitiously smartass and decided to paint the entire class painting the still life setup. Hahah :nohope:

What the hell were we thinking? ;)

[Graphite Swordsman]

Albert!! Haha!..Incredible stuff man..especially your figure drawing final..well got to go, I will see you at the workshops..=)

[Fellah.]

Damn down. This is amazing stuff. The fighting scene (drawing nr 3) is one of the most beautiful drawings I have ever seen. Reminds me of Odd Nerdrum (sry about that - hehe). An exhibition with lifesize works like that would be so sweet. Old Albert looks abit confused - very funny!
Post more!!!!!

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Hey Guys, long time no post, shame on me, I don't do anything that I consider interesting to post, and when I do something I don't have time to take pictures...

Anyways, I'll try to post soon.

Treb: Dude!!!!!!!!!! How's Life?? How's Pasadena treating you man? I'll send you a PM if you don't answer soon, aight?
Graphite Swordman: Thanks Chris, i'll see you at the workshops
Fellah: Thanks man, I'll try to post more.

[2100]

I love the detail and texture of your drawings, keep at it!

[d4ff]

machineman!!!!
Saludos desde Valladolid !!! q paciencia!! eres mi opuesto!!!

podrías ponerel proceso o algún consejo? trabajo como diseñador y no tengo mucho tiempo la verdad.... prometo postear algo >:D más currado!!

[the_allejo05]

i really like those russian masters studies? who were the artitsts? Ilya repin? Alex Serov..those are the only guys i know..hehe..i would love to copy some of those...Nice stuff you clearly undestand and master rendering from photos..take that knowledge and apply it to your life drawings..is much tougher but those will look more amazing..keep posting..very inspirational