Arafat is dead.

[Slash]

I heard the news just now..

[Neil]

news is reporting he is alive but in a coma

[Red_Rook]

its unclear atm, certain networks are refraining from making conclusive statements, cause nobody knows a damn thing.

[USER777]

The Israeli army went on high alert today when Yasser Arafat’s condition dramatically worsened in a French hospital and the Palestinian leader was said to be in an “irreversible coma

guess he won't make it long tho.. what a mess, this won't make things better in the near east conflict for sure. i guess israel will suffer from suicide bomb attacks a lot worse than even before..
:nohope:

[AnarchyAo2]

Eh, this can't be looking too good for France and everyone related to them either.

[Jan]

It has been expected that there will be rumors that Arafat has been poisoned.
I've seen the news on german "XXP",at 20:00.They said that the newspaper "le monde" says,he could have been poisoned.
If i got it wrong,please correct me.

[jwo]

Undead

[MuffinMan]

heh, serves him right.
all these middle east leaders are just so messed up.
saddam, arafat, government in sudan. all have something to do with islam...geez they make muslims look bad! that is why i don't trust muslims. all these fundamentalists and fanatics of islam are a huge problem to society!
they just don't know when to :stfu: about their religion and what they think allah tells them. they say that bin laden believes allah told him to get all genocidal to us americans. all these fanatics and fundamentalist make islam look like a religion equivalent to satanism and anti-christianity. i fell bad for those muslims and the rest in the middle east. seriously they need help....

[cotron]

Muffinman, shush. Better not to say anything when you don't know what you're talking about.

[jetpack42]

Muffinman, shush.

agreed.

[MuffinMan]

fine, fine...
i'm just pointing out to something...i'm just a little pissed about what's going on over in the middle east.

[Hanuka]

lol Muffinman,
I wish you weren't serious...

:nohope:

[Sok N. Wett]

Muffinman, shush. Better not to say anything when you don't know what you're talking about.

I third that nomination, It's shown in history that other countries have used religion to start wars before.

[Jan]

Religious fanatism sucks.Exept for christians,they just want to help.
It was in the 22:30(10:30pm)-news on ARD,too.They were talking more carefully,but said that "le monde" says,it's possible Arafat didn't get the disease himself("nicht selbsterworben").But it's nothing real known yet.
Does not look as if his death will be a big step for peace.

[Hamsta]

Why are you shushing Muffin? because he said it serves him right? cause all the rest seems true enough to me...

Anyway, when is the IDF not on high alert? Who knows how many bomb terrorists are stopped each day?
I'm glad I'm not in the regular force anymore, this likely hurts leaves.

[Hanuka]

yeah, hamsta. it's so true. all those muslim fundamentalists like saddam and arafat are just terrorizing poor, innocent israel :<
better build up a wall, that'll solve the problem. it's perfidious how israel has been copying previously german behaviour for decades. stop being so narrow-minded, eventhough it's terrible, all this terrorism has reasons.

btw:

george bush is a christian fundamentalist. Saddam has nothing to do with islam. he's not a religious man.

[Hamsta]

Ahh, the power of the Palestenian public relations shows it's head again.

Should I apologize for existing?

[Hanuka]

Ahh, the power of the Palestenian public relations shows it's head again.

Should I apologize for existing?

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~pwp/pictures/st_dogbert_small.gif

Guess someone forgot who's been acting against the law of nations for 50 years.

[Hamsta]

Guess someone forgot who's been acting against the law of nations for 50 years.

You mind explaining?

[Fozzybar]

Religious fanatism sucks.Exept for christians,they just want to help.


haha...good one...i nearly thought you're serious for a moment...

[Hanuka]

Maybe you remember Israel occupying territories, the UNO didnt adjudicate in 1947. Plus Israel has been suppressing the foundation of the Palestinian State, and even the building of an autonomic palestinian airport.
It's just that Palestinians have been living in that area for a thousand years.

Remember, nothing justifies the terrorist attacks - but I'd be careful to decide who's the aggressor in the region. Of course, you are prejudiced towards this topic as you only see your country being attacked by terrorists - i understand that. But it's not that simple.

[Hamsta]

I am aware to the fact that I'm prejudiced.
I think Gaza strip is a pain in our ass, I think Jerusalem is ours (it was ours before the palestinians) I think we need a lot of "occupied" lands for territorial continuancy.
And if any other Islamic country would want to take the Palenstinian refugees, we would'nt have such a huge problem on our hands

[Phuzion]

I think Hamsta needs to rest.

I think Jerusalem was founded by the ancient decendants of the Egyptian/Sumerian peoples who later founded one of the more modern sects of Judaism, so it certainly doesn't belong to anyone in our hemisphere, or even the Western World as we know it.

Strongly biased opinions are the reason we're in this pointless war to begin with, that and Baby's need to impress Daddy. And if you want to talk about religious fundamentalists... David Koresh comes to mind; wait! He wasn't Muslim?! What's that you say? He was the leader of a psycho sect of Christianity?!
George W. Bush? Preaching words from the Bible trying to justify this war and the 100,000 Iradi CIVILIAN DEATHS? Guess all organized religion sucks ass. Let's just all get wide, have a big party and copulate :drool:

[jetpack42]

associating koresh with christianity is just as bad as associating terrorists with islam....neither is correct.

:[

[Phuzion]

Exactly

[DragonGX]

Religious fanatism sucks.Exept for christians,they just want to help.



I really hope that is a joke. If not, please /youself.

[Hamsta]

What does Iraq have to do with the Isreali/Palestinian conflict?
I consider myself to be very unreligious, I try to stay from politics as much as possible (which is nearly immposible in a country where we have news every hour) but I don't understand why so many people hate as.
Don't we all just love tyrrany?

[chukw]

this just in- YASSIR ARAFAT- STILL NOT DEAD!

[Jan]

...
And if any other Islamic country would want to take the Palenstinian refugees, we would'nt have such a huge problem on our hands

Have read about that's not only a problem between Palestinians and Israelis,other islamic countries are also involved.And if there were no support from them for the conflict itself,their position could be similar to Israel's.
I don't like the idea of a wall,but i don't have to live there.Maybe a bigger problem as the wall itself is the way it's build-it cuts people of from their land,it's about water.It's build to protect against terrorists,but it supports hate.

[cotron]

Ok, Arafat is actually dead now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3984841.stm

[thePenguin]

and now what to do with his stolen money? hint: back to the ppl.

[Aly Fell]

I am aware to the fact that I'm prejudiced.
I think Gaza strip is a pain in our ass, I think Jerusalem is ours (it was ours before the palestinians) I think we need a lot of "occupied" lands for territorial continuancy.
And if any other Islamic country would want to take the Palenstinian refugees, we would'nt have such a huge problem on our hands

I'm sorry but I don't see why Palestinians should be considered refugees from THEIR OWN country!

[Helium Macaroni]

Excellent, the fervor of socio-political and religious animosity has now reached an international scale.. all here on ca.org.

[Hamsta]

I'm sorry but I don't see why Palestinians should be considered refugees from THEIR OWN country!

When you don't want to share, you get screwed.

Money going back to the people? like that will ever happen...

[gekitsu]

well, first of all, may he rest in peace.

a sidenote about the politics of israel: an eye for an eye... ...leaves the world blind - mahatma ghandi
if anyone down there saw the situation without the ever present zionism glasses, they would have noticed that their way of dealing with palestine is the sure way to never end the conflict - not through the guilt of the bad palestinians but through the hands of israel.
israel is the only side in this confrontation that can show initiative. i wonder when they will get that point. not even arafat had the power to speak for every palestinian - there is a shitload of civilians -the majority of them simply wants to live in peace, without the fear of having electricity and/or water switched off when israel feels like and without the fear of having israeli bulldozers run over their house while they sleep in- and there are a score of mainly independent groups that fight, for different reasons. some are fundamentlists, as thehamas, and some fight for a palestinian state, such as the al-aksa.
anyhow, no person in palestine has the power to negotiate with israel, and no person in palestine has the power to control all these splinter groups.
israel has a government. israels tool of military force is an army that is under command of the government - not renegade suicide bombers that go for good when they feel like.
see the difference? any solution that doesnt start with israeli initiative is doomed to fail.

and the only solution that may work at all is securing a palestinian state. for that, palestine must agree that core israel is not theirs, but in turn, israel must accept to give everything else, including the places where their settlements are, to their owners, the palestinians.
palestine isnt eretz israel.

[Hamsta]

well, first of all, may he rest in peace.

anyhow, no person in palestine has the power to negotiate with israel, and no person in palestine has the power to control all these splinter groups.


No one person has the power to control all these splinter groups, period.
What are you suggesting, we take our bulldozers and flatten the territories? There's no guarantee a Palestinian state will stop the terrorism, infact it most likely won't.
I'd love to give these lands away, they're a pain in the neck.

[Denart]

and to die on Veteran's Day...

[Fozzybar]

hey, actually israel just want the suicide bombers and the hamas...this is their only excuse for terrorizing the palestines...

[Jan]

I wonder that Arafat should have been among the richest of the world.

Hamsta : No,there is no guarantee.Usually terrorism will ever exist,it's the little brother of war.And it will become more effective,because modern weapons are also available to terrorists(somewhat later for most).
(The Iraq-war is expected to be very healthy for the black-weapon-market.)
But the question is,if it should be supported,even it's just with motivation.

Fozzybar : They first liked them,because they were concurring with the PLO.

[softdrawer]

Please people, be more conditioned for the sake of this thread.


:nohope:



(i find every politic related threads so amusing.. im serious)

I LOVE TEH INTARNETH @@!!1{"

[LaPalida]

Oh man I wouldn't touch the Israel vs Palestine conflict with a 100 foot pole. Nothing will solve their problem better keep out of it. My solution : build a wall around them all and throw guns over it every few months then take it down when it's all nice and quiet :)

[Forge]

the israelo-palestinian conflict is soo old... I just think we're all too young and to ignorant to discuss seriously on such a subject no ?? even israelian and palestinian have forgotten exacltly why they were fighting each other so how could we know ?

[JoshuaTheJames]

Sure wish some one would bomb our Araphat...


Ut-oh Josh is saying naughty stufff...


:yawn:

[JoshuaTheJames]

Oh man I wouldn't touch the Israel vs Palestine conflict with a 100 foot pole. Nothing will solve their problem better keep out of it. My solution : build a wall around them all and throw guns over it every few months then take it down when it's all nice and quiet :)


Hahahahhah...


Yeah it's sad.

-Joshua James

[JoshuaTheJames]

We need a New American Civil War.

Me vs the Hicks

If something is gonna go down it might as well go down now! I'll bring the Needlers :teeth:

Yeehaw.

-JtJ

[Helium Macaroni]

We need a New American Civil War.

Oh God, I so totally agree..

..or maybe just a gigantic pie fight!

[JoshuaTheJames]

"Mmmm Pie Pants" -Homer

[thePenguin]

I'll bring the Needlers :teeth:
yeah, u bring your neelder. ill play with the sniper rifle any day.

[darth massacre]

Maybe you remember Israel occupying territories, the UNO didnt adjudicate in 1947. Plus Israel has been suppressing the foundation of the Palestinian State, and even the building of an autonomic palestinian airport.
It's just that Palestinians have been living in that area for a thousand years.

Or the fact Jews have been living in that area for a thousand....more than a thousand years....dating back to pre biblical era. UN never supported the existence of the state of Israel. The Israelis did not have the present territory it did during the declaration of independence, it was conquered over Arab military incompetence. Arab armies were preparing to invade the new nation to "eject" zionists in 47.....politically incorrect term = genocide....instead of making their stand against the formation of Israel diplomatically they went to war. They lost the fight....the palestinian situation stemmed directly from that war because the Arab league nations failed to win the battle after calling for evacuation of Arab Palestinians from the region....it was supposed to take a month to wipe out the zionists, but it dragged on and off for over a year and finally they conceded to a smaller, less well armed army. Refugees went to Egypt and Jordan and for years subjected the palestinian people to their own political dreams of "wiping out zionism". If anything, the Arab leadership should take a good look at history and see how they treated their own people for the ambitions of individuals in power.

I don't blame Hamsta for being biased....I doubt many folks in Israel, especially the older ones, would forget 1948, 1953, 1967 and 1973. On a note, I would like to say too that Jewish settlers in the Palestine area prior to the formation of Israel were just as active in terrorising the Arab settlers and vice versa.

The Arab, Israeli and American leadership now has a unique opportunity to sit down and go through talks again. Arafat's dead and out of the equation, Sharon and Bush has no one to blame. Its been almost 60 years since the region had such an important opportunity to make peace If any side as much as squander this chance again, it may take another 60 years or more. Bush better not screw up....though in fact I think he will.

And I did not once mention religion. Because I believe the mid east problem is an Arab/Israeli problem.....not a religion problem as they want it to be. I can't understand how easy it is to manipulate someone in Indonesia to do the dirty work for incompetent leadership elsewhere.

Islam isn't a bad religion like what some newspapers made it out to be, I've had dozens and dozens of muslim friends back home who told me repeatedly none of all these things going on actually help the religion or the people practicing it. In fact most of them while symphatetic towards "terrorists" actually believe there are better ways to get things done.

The idea of bringing in the religious angle to it was because without it, there would be no cause for war. The clerics and politicians know it....but unfortunately for most Palestinians, its the only thing they can hold on to and thus could be manipulated to assist the power struggle amongst the clerics and politicians.....I mean c'mon....if suicide attacks are glorifying and being a martyr is such a good thing, why aren't we seeing more clerics strapping themselves with C4? Or the fact a lot of young palestinian men had to be paid a grand sum of cash (for their families) before they would go on the path of no return? I never believed for once it was religious....but the fact that the situation was so desperate over there people are willing to try anything,...even death.....to alleviate suffering.



If you ask me, Arafat's death couldn't come at a better time. I have no problems watching the drama of how they'd divide his US$1 Billion estimated fortunes unfold. You wonder where all the aid money went to eh?



I've rambled on enough.

[LaPalida]

Or the fact Jews have been living in that area for a thousand....more than a thousand years....dating back to pre biblical era. UN never supported the existence of the state of Israel.

Except that before them there were Canaanites and/or Phoenicians and before them early humans and before them monkeys... so really that area belongs to monkeys... I think we should all support the "Israel/Palestine back to monkeys movement" because they are the true owners of the land!

[Hamsta]

Except that before them there were Canaanites and/or Phoenicians and before them early humans and before them monkeys... so really that area belongs to monkeys... I think we should all support the "Israel/Palestine back to monkeys movement" because they are the true owners of the land!

Well, what about Canada? maybe we should give it back to the natives? oh, wait, they crossed over from Europe... back to the elk!

[LaPalida]

Exactly my point. No land belongs to anyone ... learn to share and get along on Earth, it's the only one we got anyway right? Going back to see who was where first is pointless.

[Hamsta]

Oh, and what if let's say (god forbid) that a holocaust happened in your country, where would you go?

[LaPalida]

I really think this is a sticky topic but anyway. Wouldn't go anywhere I'd join the ranks of those that fight back if the holocaust happened here.

[Hamsta]

How bout nuclear holocaust? how would you fight that?

[LaPalida]

Hmmm. So if I wasn't turned into nuclear slag from the start or slowly die from irradiation and fallout... I am not sure what I would do. Even in my earlier reply ... it's not really what I would do .. it's what I'd like to do but really I don't know.