Just wanted to see if I could do it.

[StudioPC]

This is Jack, a character from my web based comic strip, making himself feel human again.
0.5 Blue mechanical pencil lead, .25mm and .45mm Sakura micron inks. Coloring in Photoshop 5.0LE on a Mac.
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v339/studiopc/img103.jpg

[IronClad]

...I don't get it...

[StudioPC]

...I don't get it...

What don't you get?

[JonDaAzn]

making himself feel human?
also, there's just a lot of basic stuff to crit, mostly anatomy and coloring, just pratice those

[PelleTM]

Looks like a woman though.

I think what is going on with his arm is not very clear to many of us here. Why not explain it so that the picture can be better understood.

[StudioPC]

Looks like a woman though.

I think what is going on with his arm is not very clear to many of us here. Why not explain it so that the picture can be better understood.

Normally, I would, except that to do so would give away the story (*not a shameless plug, I swear* http://aberdawnknights.keenspace.com) and I don't want spoilers leaking out on the net. I'm paranoid like that.

However, chapter 1 does show me experimenting with techniques and styles and you can watch me bounce all over the place in terms of style

[Wolves_Fan]

Jon shes making herself feel human by changing her form. Thats wats going on with her hand.

[StudioPC]

Jon shes making herself feel human by changing her form. Thats wats going on with her hand.

Actually, Jack is a he.

[IronClad]

I'm not being rude, but frank with you. I think your web comic is of terribly poor quality, and I believe you also know this. The black and white is horribly dull and proves you didn't spend much effort on it. Also the drawing style of the comic is very bad. Before you can even think of starting a web comic there are certain qualities you must posses, I mean, I assume you want people to read the comic!!! I don't think they will if the art direction isn't of good quality. Say what you want but the first thing that catches your eye about a comic is the drawing style and then the story. It'd be a terrible shame if you had an interesting story but no one reads it because the drawing style is poor. Heck, I didn't read it because I couldn't stand the drawings anymore. And the worst is the fact that no one can see how old you are. A helpful tip: Always state your age. Because now I'm under the impression that this is the work of an eight year old. In which case it would be alright. But I dont know for sure you could very well be a twenty year old in which case it would be terrible. Always state your age.

Now you can take this as harsh, but realistic and helpful advice.
Or you can take it as harsh, and mindless bullying from a person who doesn't know what he's talking about. The choice as always is entirly yours...

But I advice you take it as the first.

[ElvisMcVegas]

ill have to agree with ironclad here...develop your style

[Steph]

i read thru half of chapter 1 and looked at the rest. I couldnt really understand most of what was going on.

Theres one thing i remind myself each time i am drawing, its that every element in a drawing has to "look like something" that people will recognize, or else they wont be able to understand, because we dont all see things the same, you see a spaceship, i just see a rectangle. so you have to always think "what can i add or erase that will make this look more like a ..."

hmm i hope im making sence and that my advice can be useful.

[MrFrost]

IT definately would be nice to know how old you are. Would tell allot of where you are starting from.
You are definately trying to grasp the ability in drawing the human form, but if you want this webcomic to be successful, you need to teach yourself more, before developing this comic further.

[StudioPC]

I'm not being rude, but frank with you. I think your web comic is of terribly poor quality, and I believe you also know this. The black and white is horribly dull and proves you didn't spend much effort on it. Also the drawing style of the comic is very bad. Before you can even think of starting a web comic there are certain qualities you must posses, I mean, I assume you want people to read the comic!!! I don't think they will if the art direction isn't of good quality. Say what you want but the first thing that catches your eye about a comic is the drawing style and then the story. It'd be a terrible shame if you had an interesting story but no one reads it because the drawing style is poor. Heck, I didn't read it because I couldn't stand the drawings anymore. And the worst is the fact that no one can see how old you are. A helpful tip: Always state your age. Because now I'm under the impression that this is the work of an eight year old. In which case it would be alright. But I dont know for sure you could very well be a twenty year old in which case it would be terrible. Always state your age.

Now you can take this as harsh, but realistic and helpful advice.
Or you can take it as harsh, and mindless bullying from a person who doesn't know what he's talking about. The choice as always is entirly yours...

But I advice you take it as the first.

Fair enough. I'm 27. I've been writing and doodleing all my life, but its only in the last few years that I've decided to be serious about it and see if my skillz can make me a living.

I won't argue that chapter one is bad. I spent a lot of it experimenting with the art and techniques and I've got half a mind to go back and redraw it. I would also point out that Chapter 1 was drawn over the course of a year or so, with many days passing between actual drawing of comic and said days spent doodling and hunting for a style I liked. I confess that I'm halfway tempted to completely redraw and possibly even rewrite chapter one, but that's a time eater there and when I mentioned this in a webcomic forum, people said not to, but rather focus on improving my skills so that the comic improves over time.

However, I disagree with your assestment that black and white means lack of time spent on comic = don't care.

Many professional newspaper strips and webcomics are in black and white. When I started AK, I decided to be selective about my color usage, the idea being that it lends the whole thing a different air.

[StudioPC]

ill have to agree with ironclad here...develop your style

Working on it . . .

[StudioPC]

i read thru half of chapter 1 and looked at the rest. I couldnt really understand most of what was going on.

Theres one thing i remind myself each time i am drawing, its that every element in a drawing has to "look like something" that people will recognize, or else they wont be able to understand, because we dont all see things the same, you see a spaceship, i just see a rectangle. so you have to always think "what can i add or erase that will make this look more like a ..."

hmm i hope im making sence and that my advice can be useful.

It is, I'll take any useful advice and tips I can get. Heck, that's why I'm here. :)

[StudioPC]

IT definately would be nice to know how old you are. Would tell allot of where you are starting from.
You are definately trying to grasp the ability in drawing the human form, but if you want this webcomic to be successful, you need to teach yourself more, before developing this comic further.

I'm 27. As I said in another reply, it's only in the last few years that I've been serious about developing my skills, so I really have to play a lot of catchup

[IronClad]

I'm not saying black and white is dull, on the conterary. I meant that in YOUR case the B&W is dull.

http://img50.photobucket.com/albums/v152/welshe/blackwhite.jpg

See what I mean? There's mothing happening in the backgrounds see! But thats not even important now. You just need to focus on your drawing style as a whole.

[StudioPC]

I'm not saying black and white is dull, on the conterary. I meant that in YOUR case the B&W is dull.

http://img50.photobucket.com/albums/v152/welshe/blackwhite.jpg

See what I mean? There's mothing happening in the backgrounds see! But thats not even important now. You just need to focus on your drawing style as a whole.

Uh . . . I'm a background miminalist? :)

Seriously. I see where you're coming from and you're quite right. Alas, only time will tell

[.cfb]

Jesus fucking Christ. A bit self-righteous are we? I think what people are trying to say is: "your drawings suck and you really need to learn the basics before you can concentrate on experimentation and style."

You said you're 27, and have been seriously drawing for "the last few years." I think what you need is a good introductary art class - drawing, especially - and after that composition, color theory, etcetera.

And seriously - you couldn't have spent more than 5 minutes on that. Also you're wasting money if you used all the listed tools to make said drawing.

[Gaussian3d]

StudioPC-
Everybody starts somewhere.
It's ok, and it is something everyone goes through. I could probably cound on my right hand the number of people that were born geniuses, drawing amazingly well as babies.
With that being said, we are all someplace in between, at all times.
In my opinion, I do not find the drawings interesting. If they are exectly as you mean them to be, then so be it, and I wish you good luck.
If you'd like to learn, I have the following pieces of advice first...

1- Find 5-10 artists that you're really blown away by. Notice what it is that captivates you about their art. Decide whether or not it is something you would like to, ideally, implement into yours.
Once you've narrowed down to the artists that you love , and you know what it is exectly that you love about them, you find out, perhaps, through research, how they achieved said qualities. Who were *they* influenced by.
The closer to the source you get, for the qualities you'd like to aprimorate, the better.

2- Now you know the qualities, you've found the sources. Now what. Pay attention closely at a number of artworks by the same person that have said qualities. Notice the patterns. And perhaps how they achieved the qualities.
Replicate. Experiment. Notice how many (and which) colors they use together.
You could try to replicate said artworks for your own training, eventually moving on to applying what you've learned towards your own ideas.

3-Allow yourself to change. Admit to yourself that... hey , no one in the world is perfect. Sadly, that does include you. But don't worry, cause like I said, we're all there. So, you can choose to stop pretending you're all tough, admit we all can learn, take pointers and learn. Allow yourself to be carried away by the tides.


Art is not easy. It is, many times, learned through sheer passion. IF you've got the drive, if you've got the passion and the commitment, you're well on your way.
Where you are is not as important as which direction you're going to.
If you make a conscious decision to go on with the comic, while improving on the way, then apply yourself.

PErsonally, if your goal is to improve the visual quality and aesthetics of your art, I'd recommend dumping the writing all together and focus solely on telling the story on a Visual way *only*. With minimal exception perhaps.

There are two final great ideas. I spoke of the source earlier. Although I'm not usually one to follow this one, life is the one and only real source. So studying from it is never a mistake.
Sometimes studying doesn't involve actuyally drawing... but simply experiencing.

The last one is... research and find all you can about the *Golden mean*, golden ratio, golden spiral, etc etc. They all about the same. Once you learn that intellectually you've got to apply consciously. After much pratice it may start coming unconsciously, and you may see your overall work improving tenfold

[StudioPC]

Jesus fucking Christ. A bit self-righteous are we? I think what people are trying to say is: "your drawings suck and you really need to learn the basics before you can concentrate on experimentation and style."

You said you're 27, and have been seriously drawing for "the last few years." I think what you need is a good introductary art class - drawing, especially - and after that composition, color theory, etcetera.

And seriously - you couldn't have spent more than 5 minutes on that. Also you're wasting money if you used all the listed tools to make said drawing.

I have been taking art classes, thank you. Yes, that piece was a minimal work of effort, and no, I'm not self-rightous at all, or at least don't intend to be.

[StudioPC]

StudioPC-
Everybody starts somewhere.
It's ok, and it is something everyone goes through. I could probably cound on my right hand the number of people that were born geniuses, drawing amazingly well as babies.
With that being said, we are all someplace in between, at all times.
In my opinion, I do not find the drawings interesting. If they are exectly as you mean them to be, then so be it, and I wish you good luck.
If you'd like to learn, I have the following pieces of advice first...

1- Find 5-10 artists that you're really blown away by. Notice what it is that captivates you about their art. Decide whether or not it is something you would like to, ideally, implement into yours.
Once you've narrowed down to the artists that you love , and you know what it is exectly that you love about them, you find out, perhaps, through research, how they achieved said qualities. Who were *they* influenced by.
The closer to the source you get, for the qualities you'd like to aprimorate, the better.

2- Now you know the qualities, you've found the sources. Now what. Pay attention closely at a number of artworks by the same person that have said qualities. Notice the patterns. And perhaps how they achieved the qualities.
Replicate. Experiment. Notice how many (and which) colors they use together.
You could try to replicate said artworks for your own training, eventually moving on to applying what you've learned towards your own ideas.

3-Allow yourself to change. Admit to yourself that... hey , no one in the world is perfect. Sadly, that does include you. But don't worry, cause like I said, we're all there. So, you can choose to stop pretending you're all tough, admit we all can learn, take pointers and learn. Allow yourself to be carried away by the tides.


Art is not easy. It is, many times, learned through sheer passion. IF you've got the drive, if you've got the passion and the commitment, you're well on your way.
Where you are is not as important as which direction you're going to.
If you make a conscious decision to go on with the comic, while improving on the way, then apply yourself.

PErsonally, if your goal is to improve the visual quality and aesthetics of your art, I'd recommend dumping the writing all together and focus solely on telling the story on a Visual way *only*. With minimal exception perhaps.

There are two final great ideas. I spoke of the source earlier. Although I'm not usually one to follow this one, life is the one and only real source. So studying from it is never a mistake.
Sometimes studying doesn't involve actuyally drawing... but simply experiencing.

The last one is... research and find all you can about the *Golden mean*, golden ratio, golden spiral, etc etc. They all about the same. Once you learn that intellectually you've got to apply consciously. After much pratice it may start coming unconsciously, and you may see your overall work improving tenfold

Golden Mean. We danced over that in one of my animation classes, but never really got into it in depth. Is there a website or something that goes into more detail?

My actual learning is mostly self-taught out of books. I've taken a beginning drawing class, an intermedite class with a teacher who never got any deeper into perspective and form. Her answer to both was drawing the Negative space.

I'm not kidding. I flat out asked her about perspective and she said that all I needed to do was draw the negative space and the perspective would pop out.

I've taken one life-drawing class, but its emphasis was drawing for animation, meaning we didn't have nudes, the models were clothed. I need to take actual life-drawing classes with nude models, but I'm off for the summer.

As to the drawing and writing, I see no reason not to better myself in both at the same time. In my mind, it makes me more valuable and that's a good thing, right?

[.cfb]

I have been taking art classes, thank you. Yes, that piece was a minimal work of effort, and no, I'm not self-rightous at all, or at least don't intend to be.

I think you missed the point.

[|NTeRN]

StudioPC-

um... where to start. well DO NOT TRY TO FIND A STYLE BEFORE LEARNING TO DRAW!. that being said forget or put off your webcomic until you learn the basics. aslo even if your in an art doesn't mean your going to get better. you have to be drawing (from life) every single day for at least an hour or more. this is the only way to improve and to become good enough to make a living of art. also whats the point of doing the absolue minimum on your comic. do your self a favor and spend more time then just 3 mins

[StudioPC]

I think you missed the point.

. . .

Then enlighten me, please.

[StudioPC]

StudioPC-

um... where to start. well DO NOT TRY TO FIND A STYLE BEFORE LEARNING TO DRAW!. that being said forget or put off your webcomic until you learn the basics. aslo even if your in an art doesn't mean your going to get better. you have to be drawing (from life) every single day for at least an hour or more. this is the only way to improve and to become good enough to make a living of art. also whats the point of doing the absolue minimum on your comic. do your self a favor and spend more time then just 3 mins

Well I try to draw when I can. Not an hour all at once per day, but I usally manage to get off a quickie sketch or two per day.

[talmir]

Drawing in a mininamistic way takes a lot of practice.. minimalism means more with less.. Telling more stuff with fewer lines. Not an excuse to skip the background.

To learn perspective there are a lot of tutorials on the net. The theories are simple.. takes practice to implement them though.

And lastly : DO NOT DRAW ANIME. Well, at least not to begin with. as has been said many many times before. Learn to draw realistically and then simplify. Drawing anime only gives you a lot of bad habits.

hmm.. ok... To succeed with a webcomic these days you need to have A: Good artwork.. polished at least. B: Good humor and/or story.

Take art classes. Sit down and draw.. But please.. throw everything you own or know about anime right out the window. Its entertaining and fun to watch but oh so limited.

[StudioPC]

Drawing in a mininamistic way takes a lot of practice.. minimalism means more with less.. Telling more stuff with fewer lines. Not an excuse to skip the background.

To learn perspective there are a lot of tutorials on the net. The theories are simple.. takes practice to implement them though.

And lastly : DO NOT DRAW ANIME. Well, at least not to begin with. as has been said many many times before. Learn to draw realistically and then simplify. Drawing anime only gives you a lot of bad habits.

hmm.. ok... To succeed with a webcomic these days you need to have A: Good artwork.. polished at least. B: Good humor and/or story.

I disagree about Anime being limited. But I did start out learning from books and some of them were how to draw Anime and Manga books. So the influence is there, but I've been trying to migrate away from it.

And I hear you on Persepctive. Even if it does make my head hurt.

[|NTeRN]

I disagree about Anime being limited. But I did start out learning from books and some of them were how to draw Anime and Manga books. So the influence is there, but I've been trying to migrate away from it.

And I hear you on Persepctive. Even if it does make my head hurt.


anime is very limited to noobs like you (no disrespect, everyone was or is a noob at one point) who jump right into anime / manga without knowing anything about the style. do yourslef a huge favor and drop anime all together. it will only hurt you right now. learn your basics before taking on any projects. also draw more then just a couple sketches a day. draw whenever you have free time (like insteade of watching tv). it seems like your doing the absolute minimum and thinking its going to turn out awesome. the artist that do the minimum know their stuff like the back of their hand. thats why a few strokes give you so much information. drop any style you think your trying to develope and draw from life.

[StudioPC]

anime is very limited to noobs like you (no disrespect, everyone was or is a noob at one point) who jump right into anime / manga without knowing anything about the style. do yourslef a huge favor and drop anime all together. it will only hurt you right now. learn your basics before taking on any projects. also draw more then just a couple sketches a day. draw whenever you have free time (like insteade of watching tv). it seems like your doing the absolute minimum and thinking its going to turn out awesome. the artist that do the minimum know their stuff like the back of their hand. thats why a few strokes give you so much information. drop any style you think your trying to develope and draw from life.

That would be instead of fuzting around on the internet (which is how I found this place). I actually watch very little TV except for wrestling on Thursdays. I gotta have my two hours of over the top athletic violence.

[.cfb]

. . .

Then enlighten me, please.

The point being that you aren't taking the initiative to improve. Ooooohhhhh wait! You put out "one or two quickies a day." Oh wow, well then you should be a top-notch artist, right!?

Wrong.

You can't tell me you don't have time. It looks to me like you're lazy. I bet you spend one hour per day surfing the internet. Draw instead. I bet you can find time. You just lack the initiative.

And to my point, well, the other part of it: The drawing shouldn't have even been posted.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v339/studiopc/img103.jpg

Let's take a look at all the problems resulting from pure lazyness - not lack of skill, but lazyness.

You have a white background.
Your lines are aliased.
All the lines are uniform - they're boring.
You didn't color fully. There are white pixels everywhere.
The facial features are all skewed, a problem that could be fixed with a reference.
Half her torso is missing
The eyes are different sizes.
No-one can tell what the fuck is happening with her hand.
There is no shading


Etcetera.

This isn't lack of skill. This is lazyness.

I have a brilliant and novel idea. Go sketch a fucking vase. With flowers. I bet you, that just trying to sketch that - in its entirety, completely, accurately - will improve ALL your drawings. And sketch people. And things. And everything.

[BRANDISH]

:chicken: :chicken: :wazzup:

[talmir]

I think .cbf has a point.. a very good point. In response to your response to my response :crosseyed I think you're not getting quite the point of my crit. I dont care if you disagree with me about the anime style. But the fact (as in thing that is absolute certainty) is that starting with anime will hurt you quite a lot in the long run.

Well.. This has been a pretty productive thread.. A lot of stuff here to get ya started..

What are you waiting for. Go draw stuff.. Start a DSB and draw your heart out :)

peace

[Gaussian3d]

Dude, you got way more replies and advice than my last post (monster) Hahahahahah!! At least it's something.
:machinegu

[Agat_vonghoul]

*gags*

[chozometroid]

Art is not easy. It is, many times, learned through sheer passion. IF you've got the drive, if you've got the passion and the commitment, you're well on your way.
Where you are is not as important as which direction you're going to.
Bravo! I think this quote can help a lot of people.

[metalwinds]

Well I try to draw when I can. Not an hour all at once per day, but I usally manage to get off a quickie sketch or two per day.

this is not telling me that youre serious about art. i second basically everything that .cfb said.

also, dont respond to all this saying that you dont have enough time to draw.. . .el coro goes to work for 8 hours a day and then goes home and draws for 6 or 7 hours after that. you can never use "i dont have enough time" as an excuse, in my opinion.

my advice to you. .which has already been stated. ..is to draw from life and from reference for at least 5 hours a day. draw as much as you can, and draw anything and everything around you. stay far, far away from anime, as well.. . .if you study it this early in the game, youre just setting yourself up for failure. ..bottom line.

[|NTeRN]

That would be instead of fuzting around on the internet (which is how I found this place). I actually watch very little TV except for wrestling on Thursdays. I gotta have my two hours of over the top athletic violence.

well insteade of watch wrestling (which is fake and very bad acting/drama) you should sit bake and draw. you can watch tv while you draw but thats better then watching wrestling. you seem like your ignoring everyones advice which is stupid on your part. if you are serious about art then commit to it. none of the masters simply pulled thier maserpieces out of their asses one day.

[StudioPC]

The point being that you aren't taking the initiative to improve. Ooooohhhhh wait! You put out "one or two quickies a day." Oh wow, well then you should be a top-notch artist, right!?

Wrong.

You can't tell me you don't have time. It looks to me like you're lazy. I bet you spend one hour per day surfing the internet. Draw instead. I bet you can find time. You just lack the initiative.

And to my point, well, the other part of it: The drawing shouldn't have even been posted.



Let's take a look at all the problems resulting from pure lazyness - not lack of skill, but lazyness.

You have a white background.
Your lines are aliased.
All the lines are uniform - they're boring.
You didn't color fully. There are white pixels everywhere.
The facial features are all skewed, a problem that could be fixed with a reference.
Half her torso is missing
The eyes are different sizes.
No-one can tell what the fuck is happening with her hand.
There is no shading


Etcetera.

This isn't lack of skill. This is lazyness.

I have a brilliant and novel idea. Go sketch a fucking vase. With flowers. I bet you, that just trying to sketch that - in its entirety, completely, accurately - will improve ALL your drawings. And sketch people. And things. And everything.

Look. The piece is crap. You know it. I know it. The whole freakin damn forum knows it. Its crapiness has been covered to death. Everyone knows its crap. Hell, I never claimed it reflected the limits of my ability. Ever.

See, I've tried my damndest to be polite and receptive to everyone who's commented in this thread, and I'm well aware my skills need improvement. I have never contested this. However, unless I'm mistaken, the purpose of CA's forums was for artists to connect and help each other improve with tips and, let me say this again. Helpful criticisim.

That list of things wrong with it, that was helpful. Calling me lazy and self-rightous. Not helpful.

As for the salient portions of your post:

The pixels are the result of using an old and outdated copy of photoshop and the fill tool therein. I don't know how to fix them short of going in with the magnifying glass and pencil tool and fixing it pixel by pixel.

The lines are aliased because I've been told that looks better when the drawing is transfered to screen. The same line width is because I only used one size pen for inking.

I'm working on my proportions. Skill at that comes with time and practice.

She is a he. I used male pronouns in the original post.

I wasn't aware a background was required for every piece posted.

[StudioPC]

I think .cbf has a point.. a very good point. In response to your response to my response :crosseyed I think you're not getting quite the point of my crit. I dont care if you disagree with me about the anime style. But the fact (as in thing that is absolute certainty) is that starting with anime will hurt you quite a lot in the long run.

Well.. This has been a pretty productive thread.. A lot of stuff here to get ya started..

What are you waiting for. Go draw stuff.. Start a DSB and draw your heart out :)

peace

I did. It's in the daily sketchbooks under "Steve's Daily (or More) sketchbook."

[StudioPC]

:chicken: :chicken: :wazzup:

Wazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzup

[StudioPC]

Dude, you got way more replies and advice than my last post (monster) Hahahahahah!! At least it's something.
:machinegu

Honestly, I got half a mind to ask the mods to delete the thread. Its just this side of a flamewar and I really don't want to be known as the guy who kicked off a flamewar his first week at CA.

[StudioPC]

well insteade of watch wrestling (which is fake and very bad acting/drama) you should sit bake and draw. you can watch tv while you draw but thats better then watching wrestling. you seem like your ignoring everyones advice which is stupid on your part. if you are serious about art then commit to it. none of the masters simply pulled thier maserpieces out of their asses one day.

Oh I know it's fake and over the top. The over the topness is why I love it so.

Everything else you're right about. I'm working on it. that's the best answer I have. Sadly, it still sounds like a cop-out.

[.cfb]

Look. The piece is crap. You know it. I know it. The whole freakin damn forum knows it. Its crapiness has been covered to death. Everyone knows its crap. Hell, I never claimed it reflected the limits of my ability. Ever.

Then why did you post it? Posted material doesn't have to be at the "...limits of [your] ability..." but it should show the viewer that you put time into it.

However, unless I'm mistaken, the purpose of CA's forums was for artists to connect and help each other improve with tips and, let me say this again. Helpful criticisim.

That list of things wrong with it, that was helpful. Calling me lazy and self-rightous. Not helpful.

Are you sure? I called you lay because you are acting lazy. Instead of (as it appears) saying, in response to peoples (not my) criticism: "oh, I'll try that next time," you try and rationalize your actions and lazyness.


The pixels are the result of using an old and outdated copy of photoshop and the fill tool therein. I don't know how to fix them short of going in with the magnifying glass and pencil tool and fixing it pixel by pixel.

A student edition of Photoshop costs $150, I believe. Kazaa is free. In any case, if you need to go in with the magnifying glass, then do so. Because white (missing) pixels stand out and detract.

The lines are aliased because I've been told that looks better when the drawing is transfered to screen. The same line width is because I only used one size pen for inking.

"The lines are aliased because I've been told that looks better when the drawing is transtered to screen." Please enlighten me here, but I'm assuming that when the "...drawing is transfered to screen..." that you mean: scanned in and touched up; ready to be colored. Well it doesn't. See? Constructive criticism. It doesn't. Aside from that, logic should dictate that it doesn't.

When inking: I like to use a brush pen coupled with a series of Micron pens. It gives better results that merely one pen.

I'm working on my proportions. Skill at that comes with time and practice.

Actually - proportions has nothing to do with skill and practice - it has to do with knowledge. I'd suggest buying an anatomy book, and doing nude figure drawing, or at least, when drawing, find a fucking reference. It'd help.

I wasn't aware a background was required for every piece posted.

It's not. But a white background is distracting and unsightley, unless the picture is a black and white/inked piece. (In general).

She is a he. I used male pronouns in the original post.

Sorry, I usually don't read all the posted text, unless I don't understand something in the piece. However, you could try to make it a bit more apparent, as opposed to making sexually ambiguous characters.

[Agat_vonghoul]

well im not sure if people are mad cause the drawing sucks or what but here is the way i see it
people all want to be artists and make storys, thats just the way it is
its like some of these gothic girls you may or maynot have talked to
all of them have poems and all of them suck..well most of them at least
this is whats going on here, everyone who has seen an anime has crowned themselfs as artists with a passion....well its just not the way it is
now im not saying one artist is better then another cause we all draw in different ways thats for sure but posting something like THAT is pretty insulting to most of us who have worked our asses off, alltho im SURE most of us DONT want to be mean about it.... i dont really want to make a point of acting an ass over the drawing myself
but alot of people are in anger about this and i think the point of anger comes from the fact that people like yourself run net comics that well suck with a passion most of us could never know
and the rest of us dont got the time or the money to turn out a worth while comic online or off
alltho this is just my idea of such and may or maynot be right
but as for telling you how to make the pic better to tell you the truth i got no idea what to say, i dont want to hurt anyones feelings but what can i say
anyway i hope everyone lets up on the thread as my mailbox is going off like a doctors beeper in the middle of the night working at the ER on the 4th of july lol oh and it DOES look like a girl for the record

[Gaussian3d]

Well, I have to disagree with that last post.
I at least am not offended.
It's not threatening to me in the least way, and I think that eveyone deserves true criticism.
If he wants to post something of less quality than he can do, he will receive a critique as if that was his best work. Specially since I haven't seen any of his work.

I think , Studio, if you love wrestling so much.... and you're serious about drawing. Well, then just draw the damn people wrestling. I mean, some of them are already half naked! It's a wonderful opportunity to draw them everyday, and get some studies done on motion, gesture (quick seconds to minutes long drawings with fluid lines expressing the essence of the object been seen, many times the posture and motion) and even some more refined sketches.
:nod:

Like I said, I believe everyone's somewhere between the beginnng and finish line. No one's perfect, at least I'm not.
If you want to do it, you can. Just try the hardest you can, apply yourself.
Choose carefully the criticism you want to listen to, listen to what helps, discard anything you don't think is helpful. You intuiion will help you with that, if you can listen to it.

If you want to use the comic as a learning tool, then do it. Have fun, but remind yourself that you're really trying to learn, and sometimes the comic itself might suffer, and will definitely change.
If you're trying to work hard at something you'll probably have to set your priorities straight. Obviously it'll be way harder if you're trying to become Davinci and Shakespeare at the same time. If you want to focus on writing understand that will be your focus, and if the drawing sometimes has to suffer for it, then so be it. Vice versa. You can't please everything, choose what you're really passionate about. Even if both, what attracts you more, even if slightly so?

Take it easy, be gentle with yourself and HAVE FUN. Art is about fun too, not just struggling. Shit, if it's not fun, then why really do it. At least that's why I became an artist, because drawing just gave me so much pleasure.

Good luck!

[Gaussian3d]

Just draw a freakin penis on the poor boy, at least it'll be clear :eek:

[Floris Didden]

<3 Gaussian3d

[talmir]

See, I've tried my damndest to be polite and receptive to everyone who's commented in this thread, and I'm well aware my skills need improvement. I have never contested this. However, unless I'm mistaken, the purpose of CA's forums was for artists to connect and help each other improve with tips and, let me say this again. Helpful criticisim.

Yes, you've been pretty polite. No arguement about that. And no, you're not mistaken. The purpose of CA's forums is indeed for artists to help each other. And helpful crits? Call me blind but I see plenty of them... But as has been said before me. Choose your crits carefully but importantly dont discard them all. Even if they hurt a little.

Man. I'm sorry about your reception into these forums but the fact is that you posted a bad piece of art. And get critt'ed accordingly. Want flames? Post on eatpoo.

And indeed. You should have gone into it with the pencil tool to fix the white dots. It's appropriately called "Effort".

I know you'll disagree with most of what I've said. And think the rest is crap. But hey, thats your business.. Just show us some improvements in the future and stop replying angrily to our replys. ok?

Peace

[StudioPC]

Yes, you've been pretty polite. No arguement about that. And no, you're not mistaken. The purpose of CA's forums is indeed for artists to help each other. And helpful crits? Call me blind but I see plenty of them... But as has been said before me. Choose your crits carefully but importantly dont discard them all. Even if they hurt a little.

Man. I'm sorry about your reception into these forums but the fact is that you posted a bad piece of art. And get critt'ed accordingly. Want flames? Post on eatpoo.

And indeed. You should have gone into it with the pencil tool to fix the white dots. It's appropriately called "Effort".

I know you'll disagree with most of what I've said. And think the rest is crap. But hey, thats your business.. Just show us some improvements in the future and stop replying angrily to our replys. ok?

Peace

Yeah, sorry about that.

[StudioPC]

Well, I have to disagree with that last post.
I at least am not offended.
It's not threatening to me in the least way, and I think that eveyone deserves true criticism.
If he wants to post something of less quality than he can do, he will receive a critique as if that was his best work. Specially since I haven't seen any of his work.

I think , Studio, if you love wrestling so much.... and you're serious about drawing. Well, then just draw the damn people wrestling. I mean, some of them are already half naked! It's a wonderful opportunity to draw them everyday, and get some studies done on motion, gesture (quick seconds to minutes long drawings with fluid lines expressing the essence of the object been seen, many times the posture and motion) and even some more refined sketches.
:nod:

Like I said, I believe everyone's somewhere between the beginnng and finish line. No one's perfect, at least I'm not.
If you want to do it, you can. Just try the hardest you can, apply yourself.
Choose carefully the criticism you want to listen to, listen to what helps, discard anything you don't think is helpful. You intuiion will help you with that, if you can listen to it.

If you want to use the comic as a learning tool, then do it. Have fun, but remind yourself that you're really trying to learn, and sometimes the comic itself might suffer, and will definitely change.
If you're trying to work hard at something you'll probably have to set your priorities straight. Obviously it'll be way harder if you're trying to become Davinci and Shakespeare at the same time. If you want to focus on writing understand that will be your focus, and if the drawing sometimes has to suffer for it, then so be it. Vice versa. You can't please everything, choose what you're really passionate about. Even if both, what attracts you more, even if slightly so?

Take it easy, be gentle with yourself and HAVE FUN. Art is about fun too, not just struggling. Shit, if it's not fun, then why really do it. At least that's why I became an artist, because drawing just gave me so much pleasure.

Good luck!

Hm. I hadn't thought of that. I'll have to try it.

[StudioPC]

Just draw a freakin penis on the poor boy, at least it'll be clear :eek:

. . .

*Tries desperatly to get visual out of head*

[Wazzz]

maybe you should quit art altogether, huh?

become a fireman or something. sheesh.

[Agat_vonghoul]

BURN!! lol

[yfront]

Cmon boys n gals! It's obvious that this guy is just messing around. I bet he and his friends are having a blast reading all the upset replys.

You almost had me there, nice one Studio PC. :thumbsup: now lets see some of your real artwork.

[Gaussian3d]

:shocked:

[Gaussian3d]

what is " <3 " btw?

[BRANDISH]

:jump2: This is so cute. lIt's jumping and jumping and jumping. it never sleeps!
oh teh adorable!

[Agat_vonghoul]

that thing haunts my nightmares! :crosseyed

[waronmars]

Start a sketchbook. If you are serious about art, post every day. Master your traditional media before digital. Then before you know it you'll be looking back on this thread and laughing manaically. :alien4: