june's here. ready or not. (sp thread)

[evolve]

hey. looks like i get to kick things off. i wish i were more proud of it. oh well.
http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/shawnhebrank/me61.jpg

[endregan]

Been a while since I have done a quick sp...

well here it is haha :)

And Yes my one eye really does droop a bit like that :) Its allergy time woo.

well it may be a tad exaggerated hahaha
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/may31/sp.jpg

[Jens]

http://users.pandora.be/NO1/Jens/sp125.jpg

i hate this one, i thought the idea was ok but bad bad execution :)
http://users.pandora.be/NO1/Jens/sp124.jpg

this one is the last one i posted from last month
http://users.pandora.be/NO1/Jens/sp123.jpg

[Kanimator]

Hey guys. I'm back-ish. Good to see you still at it. Milestone week at work, but I thought I'd squeeze in this self portrait.

http://studiodimensions.com/kelsey/SelfPortraits/SP6-2-04.jpg

[dCepT]

I'm gonna post a new one soon, but here's my last from last month as well.

Next one I'll try to make a digital. I purchased painter 8 yesterday, and I'm so stoked about getting in there and exploring it!!!!

evolve: I like the colors in it, but it looks like your face is a little distorted...kinda slanting a bit.

endregan: Looks pretty solid, albeit a little flat.. Maybe the tones are too close to eachother. How's your allergy goin'? Better?

Jens: I kinda liked the thin one. I'm not gonna bitch about the hair again, 'cuz I already did... :D
I need to render my hair better too, so I guess I should just shut up and draw, right?

kanimator: looks good, but your right eye (our left) is too close to the nose, I think.

http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v106/dCepT/SPChalk.jpg

d-C

[evolve]

dcept- yeah, i don't have the hand eye cordination worked out yet with the wacom tablet. i like real media where you can see the line you put down on the paper. so some of my stuff gets a little skewed. i didn't see it in that one, but i really appreciate your honesty and help.

here's todays:
http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/shawnhebrank/me62.jpg

[jook]

I have not been in the mood to paint or draw my own face. I have not been in the mood for anything other than beer and food really. I wish I would be able to kick my own ass out of this shit. I decided to paint myself anyways, this was a quick and drunken attempt at a charicature...

http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v13/jook13/shittyshittyness.jpg

evolve... your 2 pics in this thread both look the same... a good signe I think... either you have a small mouth or you are drawing it a bit too small...

Kanimator.. good to see you again... I still miss those ones where you did funky things to them, like show you in front of a mirro with the reflection different and shit... you know, deep stuff...

Jens... you da man!!!

endregan.. yeah... a tad exaggerated... looking good though.

[Mindflaw]

Hi

Just been moving 700 km to my hometown
I´m still unpacking and stuff, but from now on I try to
participate more. :)

I will not finish this one since I like it the way it is
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Mindflaw/Selfportraits/sp0.jpg


Jook: :bash: Get back drawing sp:s do one then another one then another one etc otherwise :realmad: did it help? Ok I´m not the best one at kicking people around and force them to make stuff, anyway I´ll do it anyway

evolve: try doing the lines with pencil then scan it add a layer on top of it might work to get it right on the other hand you lose some practice with the wacom and to be honest I never tried what I suggested heh (but it seems logical to work).

dCept: imo you should avoid the line that separetes the hair from the face (the same kind of line I´m using in my sp) I think it will make your sp more realistic and fit more into the style your using even if your are using a broken line it shows hope you understand my English btw its like the sp

Kanimator: hope backish means back at a regular basis :)

Jens: 30/5 think you got to big eyes, oh and hate is such a stron word anyway it turned out ok especially since I don´t know how your mental pic was, anyway just do the idea over and over again until you get it right and show it to us. Ok?

endregan: if your allergy get really bad couldn´t you do an eye study in colour that would be cool.

edit: old site down changed to photobucket, Don´t join me in the hate of red X make peace love and understanding not hate... Yay now I´m calm again

[Arbiter051]

Tried a SP. It was pretty fun, but I was using a mirror, so I kind of got my concentration face. I'm really a pretty happy kid, honest :D

http://img70.photobucket.com/albums/v212/Arbiter051/SP.jpg

Jens: you look eerily like my friend Jim :eek: :D

[dCepT]

mindflaw: yeah I know :D I'll render the hair next time. New one coming up soon! Thanks for the crit.

d-C

[evolve]

jook, i do have a small mouth width-wise, but puffy lips. however, it sure works fine, i'm the loudest kid i ever met.

here's a quick one.

http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/shawnhebrank/fuckhead.jpg

[Sharon5]

It looked like all Males so far, so here we go...

Ugly Me!

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/sharonscreations/sp.jpg

Painter 8.

[Mindflaw]

Heres a really quick one (4 min), made it just to get back into drawing other than that it´s a good warning example that you need to take the time it takes to make a good pic.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Mindflaw/Selfportraits/quick_one.jpg

Sharon5: When it comes to uglyness you can´t beat me ;) anyway check out the right eye seems to be in the wrong angle. Now make another one and post it ok :)

[dCepT]

Here's one I destroyed in painter :D
sketch to be found in my daily sketchbook, if it's of any interest.. heh

http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v106/dCepT/SP6Col.jpg

d-C

[Blackhawk]

Got a little funky with this one.

http://images.snitzerart.com/spod/spod271.jpg

Come on everyone, let's get this section lively again.

[ATOMICsizePENCIL]

i havnt drawn in close to a month aside from some meaningless dabble. at one point during the last few weeks, i made up my mind to give up on art as a career. i cant find the stupidity to commit to it though.

sometimes, all it takes is to just see another artists work, and i just want to draw again.

thanks blackhawk


http://www.dabble.dream.cx/img/art/portraits/sp/arsp_9_06_04.jpg


ive been peeking in here thru the last month...and wow, slow month.

- welcome sharon5, as ugly as you may or may not think you are, your skills are beautiful. beautiful pallete and rendering. :)

[Blackhawk]

Wazzo, you give up art and I'll hunt you down, bring a pencil and a whip, and force you to draw while I stand over you and lash your back everytime you put the pencil down. Take a break if you need to, but don't you dare.

Your welcome by the way, new one coming tonight. I'm going to try to kickstart this thread again. I haven't been very active in it and I think this thread just needs some new loving.

[Jens]

been doing a lot of crap lately these are the best two that came out last week.

yay a color one from blackhawk

sharon realy nice pastel colors

arbiter.. weird, good thing i don't really look like those sp's ;)

http://users.pandora.be/NO1/Jens/sp129.jpg

http://users.pandora.be/NO1/Jens/sp130.jpg


now post bitches post! :evilbat:

[emily g]

Hello everyone!
Here's one from me

http://www.emilygordon.com/emilygsp6-9-04.jpg

comments:

Jens: Come on now! You must draw your whole head!
J/k :) These look really good, as usual. Seriously, drawing the whole head will force you to learn construction.

Wazzo: Nice technique. Do more.

Blackhawk: Very nice. I'm glad you will be participating again.
You have improved by leaps and bounds since you first started these sp's. Great flesh tones.

dCept: I like the one red eye. Your others look good, too.

Mindflaw: You have a very whimsical (fun/fanciful) style.

Sharon5: Very nice. I would like to see some dramatic lighting this next time, with more shadows.

evolve: Yours have been looking good. Keep going.

Arbiter051: Cool. It looks like you are separating the hair into light and shadow well.

Jook: Hey, the flesh tones are pretty good!

Kanimator: Give us some more! I have missed yours.

Endregan: If you will do this for me, I would like you to draw yourself WITHOUT hair this next time.
The reason I ask is that it will force you to construct the whole head instead of hiding it under your hair. :)

Emily

edit to add--I will do it, too. I will pull my hair back on my next one and show the shape of my head (and my ears!).

[Mindflaw]

Hi folks will do a sp later today or night depends on how quick I can do all the must do stuff that takes fun out of life. anyway my free account disappeared yesterday but I fixed it now.

emily g: thanks for the comments. I like your one * turns brain off - starts to speak nonse cause of the pure fun to do so* even if I tried to nitpick I wouldn´t find anything to crit, but shame to the one that quits, I found way around I would like to see you make the shoulders too only because I think that would be really hard to do that means in a way that it would look good using that technique and material. *mode off*

Jens: oh me a ehh... well ok I post a sp later with the deadline before I go to bed.

Wazzo: You know I expect you to post a a sp every day from now on even if it´s a one minute or just a plain screw up. I´ll even challenge you if it would help.

Blackhawk: Nice one good to see you starting to use colour.

Dcept: keep destroying ;)

Arbiter051: Good thing using mirror I do that to learn a lot more that way and you imo got the proportions right which I find difficult using mirror. post soon

Jook: HELLO Post soon, pretty please miss your old amount of posts and experimenting.

[Sharon5]

Thanks everyone, I will make a new one when I have time. With better lighting too! (And hopefully eyes that are the right angle. ;))

Very inspiring work here, thanks everyone for sharing. :D

[jook]

Oh sweet Jesus this month is slow... I gues I am part of the problem having only put up 2 so far... still though, come on man...

http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v13/jook13/crazyfaced.jpg

emily g... That is really nice, is it digital or traditional?
Jens... Such nice drawings man... oh so good... I really like the 6/6 one...
wazzo... I really like that last one... Its funny how a lot of peoples work come from a lot of crap in their lives.. Quitting art, pfffft... no.
dCepT... As ugly as that is, its nice to see you playing around.. no better way to learn that program...
Mindflaw... I really like the one you posted before your recent one...
Sharon5... beautiful rendering and I LOVE your choice for a background color...
evolve... that background really took me off gaurd. I like its impact. watch your jawline...
Arbiter051... I like the feeling of movement... especially in the hair. It seems like you cramped up and lost the movement and loosness in your eyes nose and mouth... Keep drawing these self portrait things man...

[Blackhawk]

http://images.snitzerart.com/spod/spod272.jpg

My laptop screen exploded yesterday, so I'll be doing traditionals on these until it returns with a new screen.

- Jens - Good Jens. Your first one, the eyes seem to flatten your image. I don't know if it's because they are off center or off perspective, but it's slightly noticable.

Your second is good on the bottom half of the face, top of head seems like it ends abruptly though, might want to watch proportions on that one. It's a problem I run into frequently on mine :D Keep it going man.

- Emily - Thank you. That's why I enjoyed doing these in the first place, they were a visual diary of my development and mood day by day. I believe I've lost touch with it though, I want to desparately get into that creative groove again that I was in two years ago when I did these daily. I still remember that year very fondly, it was a blast.

Good construction on your SP. Watch your nose form though and the shadow on the cheek. Try to incorporate your darkest part of the shadow right as the form turns, then go lighter again, but not by much. It should add a good solid feel to the head, give it some mass.

- Mindflaw - Thanks. What your alignment of your features. Your last one you had one eye off kilter. If you need use construction lines to map out the face. Whatever helps you to nail the proportions, do it. Keep it bud.

- Jook - Nice job trying to tackle the form. The eyes and nose immediately throw me off though. You nose bridge seems way to rigid, might want to incorporate a lighter value into the shadow, help pull it back out a bit and give some much needed volume to the nose. Also watch the eyeshapes. You have a football shape, and then again you don't. Study your eyes carefully, they aren't really football shaped, study how the lids fold over just a sphere, study how the shape of the eyelid changes at certain viewing angles. Work on these spots, your getting there.

- Sharon5 - Get your butt back in here and draw :D.

- Keyth - Get your butt back in here and draw.

- MindCandyMan - Get your butt back in here and draw.

- Killing.People - Get your butt back in here and draw.






!!EVERYONE NEEDS TO CONTRIBUTE AND !!CRITIQUE!! FROM NOW ON!!

I believe what made this section so great before was the vast amount of comments that EVERYONE gave. Go look at the SP threads from a year, year and a half ago, EVERY POST was full of comments. I've been guilty in the last year of stopping that, well it's done, I'm commenting every post from now on. Critique, comment, get this section engaging and lively again. We need discussions, we need the active sharing of ideas and knowledge between everyone here. Make it exciting to log on everyday and read the critiques and provide your own and your artwork and see everyone else's artwork. Everyone should learn while doing these and have fun.

[Ni*]

right... i'd like this to be a triumphant return to these but.. meh....

http://nirvine.250free.com/june1.jpg

blakchawk- nice speach ;-) but true wordsit is great to get feedback, though it can be hard to avoid descending into 'good work.. i like/don't like that one' but those help too so here goes the feedback..

your real media one looks more deliberate and intense that your digital ones, the colour one has a lovely sad feel to it but the swirls look like you got a bit bored with it.

jook-.. just echoing what BH said, watch the eyes, the highlights and stuff are a nice touch but the shape is a bit off, its digital so dont be afraid to re draw then..

emily- lovely tone, and good form, i'd like to see you work into that and add an opposing colour or something.

jens- your punnishment this week is to sit and draw hair!!! skribbling it in really distracts from the nice confident lines in your drawings, and i think you draw your eyes a little high from time to time.

wazzo- nice, i like your almost cartoony style, very confident, and stick with the art, for the sake of us who work to fund it as a hobby....

DcepT- the graphite one is really nice, but the painter one's colours hurt my eyes :-p i'd reccoment the square chalk tool in painter, lets see a nicely rendered on, like the first , done in painter.

mindflaw- the unfinished one is cool, what are you going to do with it? the 4 min sketch is nice too but the first is more accurate i think.

sharon5- that is beautiful, care to talk me through the process? i love the expression and the colours, the eye on the left is a bit off but the painting looks really... honest and that makes me smile.

evolve- heh first time on tablets makes for an odd experience eh?:) looks like you're making it work though, one thing that helps me with painter or photoshop is using as big a brush as i dare, it helps to prevent sloppy brush strokes, thats the only advice i can give you on digital as i'm still learning too.... your first sp was nice, but it needs some sharpness.

arbiter- super concentration! watch the distance between the features, and i think you made the ridge of the nose too wide, and the mouth is a bit low which adds to the mean look..

kanimator- getting good with that blue pencil. a highlight on the nose would have helped the form come out i think, nice though.

endregan- good to see you back, i like the use of directional stroke to make the shape, it could use a bit more contrast though, it may be the scan but it has gone a bit grey.



phew, thats everyone i think, i smell a good month..

cheers

N

[Mindflaw]

Ok I downloaded artrage and as all can see I am clueless on what technique to paint with to get some good results
and I got all proportions wrong too but practice makes perfect.
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Mindflaw/Selfportraits/spartrage01.jpg

How can I paint thin hair? I got thin hair on top of my head (the kind where I look bold in really bright light but not when it´s dark )and thicker on the sides

I´m to tired to try to give you some good crits but comments I`ll do


Sharon5: When you get time???? :huh: I should be asleep two and a half hours ago you got the time just skip a couple of hours of sleep or some telly ok.... :)

Jook: thanks I like it too it´s one of my favorites, glad to see you back.

Blackhawk: yeah the last one sucked but I only spent like four minutes so to be me it´s good I draw very slow, anyway I will start using more helplines. I like how your sp merges into the bg but the eyes seem just a little to close and I like the nose.

Ni* : I keep it like it is since I like it that way and don´t want to ruin it and It´s the one I think with the best proportions of my sp:s.

Lets make this month a great month
goodnight folks

[Blackhawk]

lol, it's because the eyes are too close, I look like I have a cross-eyed munchkin head.

[Sharon5]

Well, I tried to make a new self portrait tonight, but when it was finished(ish) it looked nothing like me. :confused: However, the face on it's own turned out not too bad and I think the eyes look quite a bit like mine. The nose and lips could do with some work to make them look like mine though. I may or may not work on this more. Here's a cut-out and close-up of the face. Looks much better than the full pic, believe me!

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/sharonscreations/sp2close.jpg

Thanks to everyone who mentioned the squint eye in the last picture, I hope they are OK in the new one!

Mindflaw: It's 4:18am here and I will be going to bed very soon as well!

Ni*: Thank you. I love the eyes on your picture, they are very well done. I go through fazes with different brushes in Painter, but at the moment I like to use the Variable Oil Pastel and the Blunt Chalk. I'm still experimenting with all the different brushes, but for the moment I am comfortable with those. I start off with the Variable Oil Pastel brush at a big size and roughly paint in some strokes and call it a background. LOL. It's nice because it can blend as well, but not always. LOL. I put my "face" on with that brush as well and basic shadows/highlights, but I do the details with the Chalk.

Blackhawk: What is that last one made with? I love the nose, but your eyes are scaring me! LOL

jook: Thanks, the room I took the reference photo in had green walls, but it looked horrible in the photo, so I made it a softer colour in my picture and added some blue and let the colours mix.

emily g: Thank you. I'm still learning and usually my faces don't have many shadows as I am too shy with them!

[Ni*]

sharon- if you want to force yourself to work on shadows and values, do a monotone portrait, i'd suggest the square chalk tool. great fun and can be really fast and loose.

ps, just noticed you're in scotland too, where about? i'm near edin. Not alot of us on here...

N

[Sharon5]

Ni*: I'm from Fife. :) My Square Chalk doesn't seem to be working right, I think I've been messing about with it at some point and I can't get it back to normal. LOL.

[killing.people]

http://members.cox.net/schofiles/jun_11_04.jpg

blackhawk: im here, im here.
comments to come, im late for class.

[jetpack42]

Blackhawk, I'll try and help you keep it real in here...Your SP's are sooo good, very inspired tonight.

http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v12/jetpack42/sp12.jpg

[D.O.Jones]

http://img67.photobucket.com/albums/v203/RashOverdrive/SP120604.jpg

Jetpack: looks good to me, the scribbley lines at the base of the neck don't seem to fit in well though. They kinda flatten it a bit.

killing: The coulours look great. But maybe the values are to flat. It feels like there should be more of a core shadow somewhere.

Sharon: I think theres a 'restore default variant' option for the brushes somewhere. uh.. I can't think of anything to say for your portrait, looks good though/

Mindflaw: I would say don't worry too much about painting yet. Just keep working on the drawing, proportion and stuff. It might not be as fun but it pays off.

Outta time for more comments, They're propably not very useful anyway.

[killing.people]

http://members.cox.net/schofiles/jun_12_04.jpg

it was looking good.

[Brain]

http://www.artofbrain.com/digital/self-pa-style.jpg
This had a background, but I saved over the wrong file. @:-P

http://www.artofbrain.com/digital/self-13thjune.jpg

[Blackhawk]

http://images.snitzerart.com/spod/spod273.jpg

Ni - Thanks. It's not so much just the degeneration of commenting I'm worried about, it's the no commenting period. Just a bunch of people posting work with no feedback at all is essentially just a gallery and not really a living thread. I want people to come to this thread and be able to read feedback from everyone, whether it's good or bad. It helps this section stay alive and you get to become much more acquainted with others when you do so. I myself became great friends with a lot of people just because of this thread alone.

Good SP. Forehead looks strong, the eye sockets look a little skewed in the eyes. Good SP, nose form seems a little stronger, try to use a hint of shoulders if you have this much white space, see how it turns out. Sometimes it'll help solidify the piece.

Mindflaw - Thanks. The best piece of advice I'd have for you is try to master your drawing before you jump headfirst into painting. If I were you, I'd work more at the drawing aspect of the piece, try to maybe get a resemblance, work in black/white and concentrate on the forms and values. Keep plugging at it man.

Sharon5 - I drew it in pencil and rubbed powdered charcoal into the piece and redrew it again and pulled out areas with an eraser. It was a fun departure from digital only. I tweaked it in Photoshop when I scanned it in.

Your piece looks great, eyes are gorgeous, lips are kind of flat though. Great piece though, good job.

K.P. - Great pieces, where are the comments though? The first one has some nice subtle values, good eyes, like em. Good stuff man, you going to Austin?

Jetpack - Where are the comments? I like yours bud, you inspired me with this one. Good technique. Neck flattened, but overall, nice. You ready for Austin? I can't wait to do the draw-a-thons at night. It's probably most inspiring just hanging out with tons of artists and drawing. It's fun as hell.

Rash - Welcome, good SP, strong job on the values. Eyes look like they are shifted over to the left a little bit. Keep it coming bud.

Brain - Where are the comments? Interesting SP's, lol, I need to do a caricature of myself one of these days, it would be fun.

[Mindflaw]

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Mindflaw/Selfportraits/spkol.jpg

Blackhawk: I blame it all on the program, working with mouse and not taking the time needed :rolleyes:. No I don´t, I know all to well that I need to practice more just drawing, but I have done some actually very good paintings, but they not being sp:s, check out the one I have in the lifepainting thread ( a portrait) if you don´t believe me.
Ok reading what I written so far it seems like I´m defending myself´, well I´m not and the advice you have given me is the best one any could give me atm, thanks.

About your sp I think you want it to be that your heads down and you looking up, but when I´m looking at it seems like the chin is at the same level as the eyes or even closer to viewer like your heads up and you looking up. Anyway something doesn´t seems to add up, I just don´t know what. Anyway if you disagree please tell me, I think if we actually crit the crits of eachother we may learnmore (especially as a beginner :)) you know more angles to it.

Brain: Hi now when your here let post more ok. Try to make something less stylized easier to give good crits then

Rash Overdrive : read what I wrote blackhawk heh. Ok now I´ll try to give some good comments: Don´t forget to get some higlights in the eyes since they are wet and reflect more cause of that imo good highlights in the eyes enhance the sp.

jetpack42: Good sp, but the lines at the neck and just to the right steals a lot of attention from the face, try to think about what each style of putting down the lines do to the composition.

killing.people: Nice to see you in here, hopefully more regular than before

Sharon5: Yeah thats good who needs sleep :) and I think your eyes came out real good especially the left one (my left) it is really "clear". Ok now post another

[killing.people]

http://members.cox.net/schofiles/jun_14_04.jpg
deep peace

[evolve]

rash-crosshatching and colors working well! i like it tons, the only crit i have is many the eyes are a tad large? i could be wrong.

blackhawk- holy crap! very powerful, kid.

killing - everything is sick on that, (i'm so jealous) but that ear. other than that, it's top notch.

here's pseudo quick one from me. i was working on the proportions forever, and when i got them so that they didn't suck toooooo bad, i tossed in some colors and hoped it was over. maybe more tomorrow. lates.
http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/shawnhebrank/mejune14.jpg

[Kanimator]

It's my 23rd birthday today, so I thought I'd post here to weasle some "happy birthday"s out of some more people. :rolleyes:
I'm working on an acrylic self portrait piece, but I don't want to post it until it's "finished".

But I'll be more than happy to post some comments. Man, things really picked up on this page, maybe I'll sqeeze a quick portrait or two in this week.

jetpack42: Nice vallues, but I think the shadow area's on the face need to have darker contrast, and more definition of the curve of the face. Try experimenting with shading in the direction of the planes of the face, ala RashOverdrive's. This one is nice, though

Rash Overdrive: Very nice. Eyes are too big and the shading could use more contrast. I like the color scheme.

killing.people: I animate for GBA games, so I really appreciate this one. :D Filters are always good ways of fixing art you don't like...;)

Brain: Fun ideas. :) But now you're required to do a more detailed portrait. Now get to it! :)

Blackhawk: Very, very cool. The exclamation point is fun. Eyes are a bit too big, but it might just be the angle. Oooh... two filters in one thread...

Mindflaw: Your best one yet. This one's a million times better than some of your past SPs. Don't be too scared of the tone, next time, go all out!

killing.people: Gorgeous lighting, I love the hair.

evolve: Best one I've seen from you. The mouth is too far forward, unless you're making a face. :P Be sure to put more colors into skin tones. It should ramp from yellows in the highlights, reds in the midtones, and purples in the shadows.


Now everyone give me presents!! :rolleyes: :D

[Tjendol]

Wow, I can't keep up with you guys lately, been kinda busy.

Keep on drawing people. I'll try to post some more work too because I need to show some work for a drawing class I'll be attending soon.

Here's one done with pencils for a change :) in about 45 minutes.
http://website.leidenuniv.nl/~s0369519/drawing/SP-14-06-04.jpg

[evolve]

kanimator- thanks. did you mean ever, though, even traditional media? cause some of my pencil or charcoal ones kick my digital ones asses. and happy birthday! i'm also 23 and was out in seattle for a year. i wonder if we didn't bump into each other out there. huh.

tjendol. good work. now put in some contrast and that will be hot!

here's my second one for today! it's 3:37 am. bedtime. goodnight all.
http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/shawnhebrank/poopoo.jpg

[Mindflaw]

I was at my mum yesterday and showed her this thread she liked a lot of the sp:s, e.g killing p:s first sp she thought was very alive and Bh:s with the exlamationmark she thought was cool.

Kanimator: :happybirt
:beer: this one on me even tho Internet beer
taste like nothing.

Jook, Ni*, Sharon5, and a lot of others still waiting for you to post more and emily wheres that ear?

Tjendol: Nice pencil, you should post more, not just try :)

[Cue]

Crap, first try at crossthatching.
http://www.queart.com/SPsmall.jpg

only have time for this page critiques..

Jetpack: Awesome, much better than I could do. I love your porportions and shading.

Rash: I like this one the best from you. good shading

Killing people: impressive as always..

Brain: Interesting, in the least. I kinda like the style

Blackhawk: awesome, of course, don't know what else to say. What brush is that?

Mindflaw: you're definitely improving, I like this one a lot more.

Evolve: I like these, very much better than before.

Tjendol: though I like your other ones better, this one is good. good porportions. looks a lil bug eyed though..

[jetpack42]

pencil + ink wash

http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v12/jetpack42/sp13.jpg

Cue- Thanks. On yours try and push the values more. Go darker with areas of shadow, not just dark objects (pupils + hair). Also, the way you have hatched on the far side of your face makes it look inverted. Try to hatch with the form. The lines on the far side of the face should be arcing up, then down and away, not the reverse. At least, thats the feeling I get...

evolve- sometimes you are using painting to your advantage, as in the forehead on the color one (my monitor is dark, hard to see the other). Other areas on that one go flat though, like the neck. The form really isnt described.

tjendol- a pretty good study. I'm not so good with lighting like that. You should try and give yourself a little better lighting to work with. it looks like you did it in real ambient light, which can be hard.

kp- that is nuts! no crit.

mindflaw- some of your features appear to not align with others (like the mouth to the nose). I'm not sure, something doesn't seem quite right. You are right though, my lines flattened the neck. I got impatient :(.

Blackhawk, that one is crazzzzyy! I wonder a little about the resemblance...but mine is a low angle too so I could be the same way. Is that traditional?

Rash Overdrive- I, too, think the eyes are too big. The color and the lighting more or less rocks. Yeah, gotta work on not getting impatient, like I did on the neck of mine...Yours are real solid though, keep it up...so young...so good...:eek:

ok..theres some comments. don't beat me up, blackhawk.

oh, and Kanimator, happy birthday, dude!

[emily g]

Wow, so much stuff already!

Mindflaw--my next one's coming tonight ;) I am very impressed with the quality of your last one. You should do more like this!

Kanimator--happy birthday! Can't wait to see your piece!

Killing.people--wow...um...wow. I'm so glad you joined back in. This one is amazing. I feel like I would recognize you if I passed you on the street.

I'll post more comments later :)

emily

[killing.people]

emily g:
thanks em, i was was very happy my last one.

jetpack:
your most recent looks very rushed. the portrait looks cartoonish in proportion; head is leaning right and the top is too large.
your previous looks nice. the shading is messy and some of your features do not look like they were placed right in their gesture phase.

kchen:
VHASP is a quick abbrievation for:

- Vertical
- Horizontal
- Angles
- Shape
- Proportion

It is a list of things in order of priority for my students to double check what they see.

First how the object's place relates in terms of vertical measurement, then horizontal.

Once you figure out the placement, double check it with angle measurement and negative shapes.

At the very last, after you check all the 2d visual qualities of your object, then you double check it with your knowledge of proportion.

I placed proportion at the end of the list because I want the students to trust their observation more before they use their pre-concieved knowledge of the figure.
live by this! it is soo helpful you will crap your pants. use his scanning technique to draw what you see, there is no reason to think.

cue:
nice work. this would have looked nice completed. why did you not finish?

evolve:
take a look at the message i sent to jetpack. something i have noticed when i create a sp that i like is that i will draw until my ass falls asleep.

tjendol:
keep your fingers out of your drawings.

blackhawk:
nice mood. your head is slanting to the right. you got skillz.

whew! okay, later

[I0N]

hhmm...I never even knew this section existed. I will post. yeah.
http://img70.photobucket.com/albums/v214/I0Nryu/miself_copy.jpg
aint I handsome:D
I'll try a ralistic one later.

[Ni*]

when this thread picks up speed it really flies, but i've been slow too, like a puppy, i was distracted by everything.

i'd love to say this one was a quicky or that i'll finich it but it took ages and it hurt, i started poking at it and it lost any freshness it had.

http://nirvine.250free.com/june4b.jpg


jetpack- ink wash one is cool, try it again but take more care with construction like KP said.

cue- take care of the line the eyes sit one, the closest looks a bit high.

evolve- i read a tutorial on faces once that stated ' when lit from the side, no tone on the dark side of the face should be brighter or as bright as anything on the light side' thats ideal lighting but its a good rule to try to stick to. i mention it because your cheekbone areas are both the same tone which flattens the face a bit

tjendol- nice work, eyes look a tad big though

killing- nice work, not alot to crit, except for the closest eye, i think it is out of line so it looks pulled back. It is something i've noticed in a few of your SPs. oh, and that ear....for shame! :-p

blackhawk- very 'super hero' maybe the face is too long, but it's stylised deliberately isn't it? not my personal favourite from you but it meets the usual high standards :-)

brain- difficult to crit cartoon work, so nothing to say i'm afraid, keep having fun though :-)

rashoverdrive- a nice subtle colouring there, could use some more contrast to give the face shape though.

think thats all, hope it helped, or at least gave a fuzzy feeling :-p

cheers

N

[emily g]

Mindflaw—thanks, I will put my shoulders in my next one.
Jook—thank you. The last one was done in Painter, variable chalk brush.
Blackhawk—thanks for the comments. Your words were in my head this time when I did my first sp today.
Ni—thanks, I will do something other than monochrome soon. I’ve just been lazy.

Okay, I really struggled today. I tried two sp’s in Painter that just didn’t work out, so I grabbed a pad and pencil.
As promised, my hair is pulled back and my ear is showing.

http://www.emilygordon.com/emilygsp3s6-15-04.jpg

Ni—I’m really liking your brushstrokes a lot better. Your colors are looking better too.

Ion—can’t see yours, I’ll have to comment later.

Jetpack—This is looking good, but it’s losing form because of the hair.
I should be able to imagine your skull underneath the hair. Good for you for using a wash.

Cue—good start. I have a feeling that this is a fairly accurate likeness.
Watch that left-hand eye, it’s drifting upwards a little. :)

Evolve—What? You have dreads? How did I miss this? Ok, I guess you don’t always draw them.
Looking good. With this last one, I see both line art and brushstrokes. I would like you to try it without the line art this time. Use the darkest darks for accents, but don’t outline anything with them.

Tjendol—another penciller I see. Looks good, that ambient lighting can be tough.

Killing.people—Let’s see . . . hair:great, eyes:great, nose:great, lips:great, facial hair:great, everything:great.
Seriously, this is very, very good. Others have mentioned the ear and Ni hit it on the head about the eye. It’s sliding from the front plane of the face to the side plane. Set it in the socket—I make this mistake all the time

Mindflaw—Very, very good! The rendering of your hair is great. On the left hand cheekbone, I feel that the shadow is a little harsh. It should roll a little more smoothly. But you’re going the right direction. It shows good structure.
I like thinking about your mom looking at all our sp’s. :)

Blackhawk—This is cool and creepy. Something about it makes me think it’s traditional, but I’m not sure if it is or not.

Brain—cool. There’s a thread in this sub-forum somewhere (I think it’s dropped off the page) where people were doing cartoon sp’s. You’d probably get a kick out of it.

Rash Overdrive—I really, really like this. The cross hatching is so sensitive. Good colors, too.

Sharon—very nice. I like the brush strokes on the lips. Great eye, as well.

emily

[jook]

photobucket has been really screwy the past few days, its kinda stupid... luckily I found a different place to put my stuff..

http://stu.aii.edu/~jlw271/fuckingwacom.jpg

emily g.. looking really good on this one, I am having a hard time finding something wrong with it.

Ni... Interesting color choice for the shadow side of your face. I think that if you added a hint of the warm coloring from the other side of your face to it, it would help connect the two halves into one cohesive piece. I know that you say you have a hard time with drawing that side of your face, but you handled it well this time... good stuff buddy..

ION... sorry man, I cant see it.. seems as though photobucket is teh gay right now...

jetpack42... cant see it... photobucket sucks right now...


Cue... nice to see you here... Its a bit light. I think that maybe your forhead is sunk a bit backwards, maybe it could be pulled forth a bit. Looks good though, I like the way you rendered your mouth..


evolve... Nice, the one thing that bothers me is the white background. I think that even a light shade of grey would have been an improvement.

Tjendol... You seem to be improving a lot as of late... I read the others crits and they pretty much coverd it all. keep drawing...

killing.people... ........nice........

Mindflaw.... sorry, cant see it at the moment..

Blackhawk... nice man... is that traditional? I remember you saying you will be sporting the traditional stuff and all, but this looks digital. That exclamation mark is perfect.. I'm sure you are aware of the huge eyes. you seem to have a grip of things...


Brain... these are cute man. I think they could really benefit from cleaner strokes, expecially the bottom one.

Rash Overdrive... cant see it now, stupid red x. I do remember seeing it yesterday and it was damn spiffy. I love the colors in it...

Sharon5... that is another lovely one from you, though your left side(our right) is flatter and less refined than your right side....

[Brain]

Right, a more realistic one for those that wanted it @:-) Just getting a kick out of getting back into more comic-like drawing lately. Don't be concerned if you can't crit. I'm not expecting it, though I hope it intrigues some to a degree. Oh, and yes, this one is unfinished. @:-P

http://www.artofbrain.com/digital/self-16thjune.jpg
Killing: Continue to impress me.
Tjendol: Digging your highlights, though try pushing your values a bit more. More darks would deepen this nicely.
Evolve: Good stuff digs. You've got a sketchy line habit that I share. Perhaps drawing a more 'definite' final line over the sketch could work this a lil, or even phasing out the sketch completely. Kudos to your sweet hair @:-)
Cue: Keep it coming man
Ni*: I love your colour usage. *thumbs up*
emily g: I really really like the hair on this one. Your right eye (camera left) looks off, though can't collaborate my thoughts right now. A sweet portrait nevertheless. The eyes have a lovely depth.
jook: Definitely getting better dude. There's some warping happening, which I think I'm putting down to the side of the lips (camera left) and perhaps the left eye (camera right). Really picking up, keep goin' hard @:-)

[Ni*]

started as a doodle but i continued with it trying to use big brush strokes, although as usual i chickened out and poked at it with a tiny brush...

Nhttp://nirvine.250free.com/june5.jpg

emily- that is lovely, the directional marks really work. i think the eyes may be a little too big and maybe to high and wide too, but i like the classical nose. i'd like to see you do an SP like that taking in more of the shoulders and neck.

jook- thanks. for yours, take care of the light on the far side of the face, it is pulling the far cheekbone onto the same plane as the closest one. oh and if you want another free web host, try 250free.com.

brain- interresting shading technique, very difficult too i'd imagine, just now it isn't really giving the face shape, try squinting at it and you'll see what i mean, maybe try spacing the lines out more or draw them all over the face to give you a mid tone then erase to give highlights and add to give shadow. but that would take ages! :-p

[MindCandyMan]

Originally posted by Blackhawk


- MindCandyMan - Get your butt back in here and draw.


I feel ashamed...so I did a quick one...I tried out general's charcoal pencils...I HATED them...they don't layer well at all. I will stick to charcoal sticks that I sharpen myself.


http://www.mindcandyman.com/jons_uploads/bound sketchbook 213.jpg


This one is for you blackhawk...that red chalk one (or whatever it is) is sweet sweet sweet man...nice work!

[killing.people]

http://members.cox.net/schofiles/jun_16_04.jpg

i hate that this one turned out looking so .. creepy ..
this piece makes me feel rather humiliated to share - it is humbling in a strange way.

[Mindflaw]

Sorry just some comments now will do a sp this night or tomorrow, but comment now since it take me a long time to write them.

killing.people: Sorry for not having any "good" crits but if I tried they would be as strange as the last one I gave blackhawk, anyway I appreciate your sp:s and study them as to get better myself though I do that with all the others too :)

MindCandyMan: quick one you have improved a lot

Ni*: Ok I´m not good at painting and so but I read a lot and since your struggling to use a big brush I got this practice that might suit you and that to simplyfie it and only use black and white in big areas. I took the liberty to mess around with of your sp:s to show what I mean (hope it´s ok, at least my intentions are good) I think it will help you with form and shapes and to create with big brushes.

the eyes and ears are to detailed
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Mindflaw/Selfportraits/Ni.gif
hopefully photobucket continue to work now

Brain: You sure used a hard way to hatch anyway I think the mouth is just a little to vertical thus in the wrong angle but not much.

Jook: yeah photobucket been strange maybe they do a major checkup. Anyway try to crit your pic: Your nose - the bone seems a little to heavy you know like a pipe maybe try smooth the shading would work. The proportions seems to be right.

emily g: Nice and loose, the next one you do couldn´t you do like killing people and draw until your ass fell asleep it would be neat to see a really rendered sp from you. And thanks for your comments.

ION: your ear look real big is it itentional and the nose seems to slighty point in the wrong direction, but it could just be me, anyway I think you express a lot using so few lines as you do


Jetpack42: THANKS man I noticed it right away when I looked at my sp again. anyway have no good crits but some advice that might be useful and thats really think trough in your mind all the layers of ink and where and how to lay them before you even thouch the brush and have an extra paper ofthe same kind to test the wash.

Cue: It´s a good start at crosshatching, if you mainly want to improve in the hatching area do a sp where you do the basic constuction and lineart, then copy it and if you dont got acces to a copumachine, scan and print it, then you could test everything that you want without having to worry about making it all over again and when you found your way go back to the original.

evolve: best tip I can give is to include your whole head, might worsen the way you compose but I think it´s better practice.

[I0N]

oh man I didnt notice the nose thing, yeah it is crooked. as for the ear it is both intentional and not intentional. ok I f*cked up the ear. I did it really quickly without looking at myself. I'll do a realistic one later. and then an android inspired one...that guy is cool.

[Ni*]

mindflaw- thanks for the feedback, i could see all the mistakes in that one as soon as i posted it. i tend to start with the eyes and i always draw them too big so i try to fix them as i go, this results in the redrawn eyes being too far apart and out of line. i'm going to start trying to avoid adding any features untill i have shape and form.

thanks again mindflaw, just wish you hadn't picked such a poor one of mine :-p everyone can see my mistakes even more clearly now. good way of checking for tonal layout though i'll try using that in future.

[jetpack42]

its been a long 2 days...

20 min

http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v12/jetpack42/sp14.jpg

Mindflaw- glad that was helpful. I do have another piece of paper i use to dry out the brush somse and try the washes. You are right, I need to think it out further, maybe even give myself some guiding lines, just to start.. thanks!

k.p-thanks. Its funny, right before I came here and read your crit, I looked at the thing you had just posted in the Roundtable section! heh. You are absolutely right though. I need to draw what I see, and take my time.

On your SP, 2 things I see. The right arm (your left) seems really flat in comparison with the rest of your body. The shading at the joint is awkward, almost like a bent pipe, rather then an arm. Also, the nose looks like it is slanted to the right, at least, thats how I read the shadows. Maybe the highlights are too far out on the nose? wrapping too far around? I could be wrong..Overall, it fits the high quality of the rest of your work though.

MCM- sweet!!!! I loves it! You are getting so much better all the time bro! I'll be seein you in 36 hours! woooooooot! The ear looks like it might be comin too far out.

Brain- work on placing the features in 3 dimensional space in relation to each other. All the featurs, while they may actually look like that, run flat once you look at them. You need more lines defining the form to pop things out.

emily- is the left side (your right) eye too far out from your nose (in this perspective)? Something about the eyes looks off, but I can't quite put my finger on it...

jook- your features on thier own are rendered well, but in proportion to each other they are way off. the ear is low, the nose is small compared to the eyes, the mouth is bigger then everything. individually they all work, but you need to place them out better and keep the whole portrait in mind. good observation shading the eyes.

I0N- bring 'em on!

Ni*- Sometimes your brush strokes are really awesome. In some places, like the chin on the first; peaches and cream. I love that part. Its obvious that you were struggling with it though. It seems in both your ears seem low. It could be the angle, but make sure you are observing correctly. It looks like you start getting impatient and do some weird strokes in wrong directions. Keep being patient with the painting, thinking about your strokes, and your portraits will be stronger.

tomorrow I go to Austin. Rooming with Blackhawk and MindCandyMan. I cant wait its gonna be awesomeopaghwe'rfioahw;eogfhaw;erogfihaw;oergfiawo ;gfihw

[Blackhawk]

Last one before Austin. Looking forward to meeting a few of you that are going.

http://images.snitzerart.com/spod/spod274.jpg

Jetpack - LOL, love the Texas integration into the SP. Looking forward to meeting you Mike.

Killing - Thanks man, Nice SP. The full bodied stuff is humbling. It shows you what you need to know outside just the face, plus it's weird to bare all if your self-conscious of your body (I am a little). It's fun though. The right arm is a little funky, I think Mindflaw pointed out, it looks like a pipe bend, maybe smooth it out a bit.

MindCandy - You inspired me with this one man, great job. Nose form could use some work, but you are rocking man, I am impressed. Can't wait to meet you in Austin.

Jook - It was traditional, then like a bad boy I ran it through a filter in Photoshop before posting it because I couldn't help myself... lol. Good form on this one, looks like your face has a slight curvature on it's central axis. Nose is looking better, still feels to me like it's too thin on the bridge for the face, but it's improving. Keep working at it bud.

Brain - Good contribute. Be careful of line weights. The all black, all same thickness lines are really flattening out the face. Try to incorporate different line weights for different things. Thinner lines towards the light, thicker away from light, thicker for more mass, thinner for less mass. Thicker for bone, thin for skin, you get the idea. Experiment.

Emily - I'm glad I atleast helped someway. Very nice SP, only issue I see is the eyes, one may be slightly off axis or alignment from the other, but good effort, and keep it up, I like it.

Ni - Good efforts today. Your last two SP's have been screaming warm and bold color-wise. Good experiment, maybe work in some greys and a bit of cools, help to turn the form with those. Keep it up bud, thanks for contributing so much.

Evolve - Watch the size of the mouth. It feels like the mouth is too narrow, make it look like your puckering your lips on this one. Good job though, keep it going man.

Cue - Just pencil and photoshop. Your SP feels too light, maybe bring in some more contrast, get it a little darker, especially in areas of interest, be mindful of your design as well as the SP. Good job.

Ion - Welcome man, keep them coming, I need a few to judge, give me a few :D

Kanimator - LOL thanks. Happy belated birthday by the way. Come back and post some more in here again.

Mindflaw - I hear you. Glad I can help. I'm the train of though of values over color at this point in my learning. I want absolute value control before I murder color. I'm doing color charts though to help myself learn the values and they are boring... lol.

Tjendol - Good SP, feels flat in spots. Maybe try using the pencil to your advantage and let your shading lines help explain the form, give it some more volume. Also, work some more contrast in, pull spots forwards and back, make it dynamic. Keep them coming bud.



If I missed anyone sorry, my whole comments were deleted twice by stupid finger slips and it took me 45 minutes to do this. See you guys in Austin who are going.

[D.O.Jones]

just quick ones

http://img67.photobucket.com/albums/v203/RashOverdrive/SP150604.jpg

http://img67.photobucket.com/albums/v203/RashOverdrive/SP170604.jpg

killing: The last three you posted have all been great. I can't think of anything useful to crit, sorry.

Mindflaw: Of course I didn't mean that can't keep painting for fun. But drawing is where the learing will happen I think. Keep it up, that last one looked mucho better.

Evolve: Thanks, The eyes are always screwy on my self-portraits I think. Your portraits are looking good. Your lines seem a bit heavy and scratchy though 'think more, paint less' is something I've been working on recently.

Kanimator: Thanks, have another belated happy birthday.

Tjendol: looks good, I'm not a fan of smudgey work. But thats just me. It feels like it's a bit flat, umm.. don't know how to fix that though. Take Blackhawks advice I guess

Jetpack: Thanks man, I'm not that good though. Just look at how far behind lung_bug I am.
That last one is cool, Thanks for reminding me that even if I sell my grandma Texas is still too far away from New Zealand...

Ion: I'm no good with stylised stuff. But the lines on the ear seem to heavy and complex to match the rest of th pic. Keep them coming.

emily: Thanks a lot. The eyes seem like they might be not quite correct. I can't really tell, It looks nice though.

jook: thank you. Keep it up, I can see your improving. Blackhawk said the only things I can think of for a crit.

Brain: Again the Hawk said what I was going to say...

Ni: thanks, Nice energetic strokes and bright colours on that last one.

Mindcandy: nice too see more drawings from you. you sure are getting helluva good.

Blackhawk: ahhhh.. That last one totally rocks my face right off. Nice solid forms, crisp features and subtle use of texture. The best I've seen from you.
(hey that sounded like the back of a wine label...)


jeez, I suck at writing. I should have payed more attention in english.

[fae]

killing people, blackhawk : wow.

haven't been round here for a while... =\
n i need to do more SPs (of my boooring face ><)

ni : your server or whatever place you put pix was down before... now i finally see your stuff =) nice job

miss you all ;)

[Ni*]

you know, sometimes this seems more hassle than it is worth... shit result for all the frustration it caused.

I cant get past the messy blotchy coloured sketches. time i dug out my pencil again....

N

http://nirvine.250free.com/june6.JPG

[Ni*]

of course.. this can be more fun than you should be having on your own :-p

i know the nose is way off on this one i think because of the shading on either side of it.

http://nirvine.250free.com/june7.jpg

fae- i for one would be happy to see your boring face in here again :-p

rash- pencil work is nice, that full page looks cool, but the big one has massive eyeballs...

blackhawk- there's something quite eerie about that one, like you've been caught doing something and now you have to kill the person who caught you.... maybe i read into it too much :-p very good though.

jetpack42- i've yet to settle with a style so i poke randomly with the brush when i get bored or frustrated, i hope the nice brush strokes were deliberate. yourself and the other pencil SP folk in here have inspired me to get the old HB out and sketch alot more.

cheers

N

[Sharon5]

Sorry it took me so long to get back here, I have still been watching and admiring everyone's work. This one gave me a hard time and so I never really finished it, but I'm sick of it, so I'll not work on it more.

I had 2 others on the go as well, but they didn't really work out. I'll try again soon. :D
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/sharonscreations/mysp.jpg

I can't comment on everyone cos there's too many (which is great!!!), but I will say that everyone is wonderful and all the different styles and every single picture helps me to learn and I thank you all for that! I hope we can all learn from each other.

[Sharon5]

OK, this one isn't much good, it was very quick, but I thought i'd post it anyway.
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/sharonscreations/pencilsp.jpg
Painter 8 - Cover Pencil.

[Mindflaw]

Ok I haven´t had the inner pece to do a sp but started with one this night being 03:19 now I take a breakand continue tomorrow night :) well heres how far I am ATM.
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Mindflaw/Selfportraits/progress.jpg

sharon5: liked the one you didn´t like the better it´s kinda happier and the angle makes IMO a better composition. and btw you don´t need to comment all if you been away just take the three previous you know better to comment some than not at all :) I myself learn just as much from C&C:s to others.

Ni*: I thought it was good and when changing it I saw a more good qualities in it that I didn´t saw before, just so you know.

It´s going to be interesting to see a sp done with pencil from you, I only remember seeing digital from you. You are going to do a sp in pencil? or are you just going to sketch other stuff?

Fae: get back at drawing sp: s at once :)

Rash Overdrive: Thanks, and yay you´re not only getting better at drawing in this forum you practice your English too :D

Blackhawk: Ok can´t argue against that yeah and I do not envy you and the other guys being at the workshop not at all :rolleyes:... :)

jetpack42: Have fun there!


Good night folks

[Tjendol]

Hi, I'm gonna stick to pencils for a while because I feel I'm really learning from it.

There is way too much art in this thread to comment on but I'm gonna try and give some useful critics on the last posted art.

Mindflaw: I understand you are going to finish this one but try to use some values in your drawing and give yourself some eyes and a neck :) The proportions look pretty good to me, of course I don't know what you look like but they seem right to me.

Sharon5: I really dig that last one. It looks clean and cartoony because of your linework...nice style. I actually thought this was a pencil drawing until I checked your comments underneath the pic :)

Ni: I would like to see this one finished. It looks like youre in ambient light just as I always am. Sometimes it's good practice but I would like to have a good light source some time to practice different forms of lighting.

And now I see the red one above your last drawing...I actually like it..love the loose and rough strokes at some points.

Rash Overdrive: same thing I told Ni: I would like to see the bottom pencil drawing finished..that looks pretty cool..nice shading.

Blackhawk: That one kicks ass...what brushes did you use?

Jetpack: That's....original :) lol..I need to work on my creativity..keep it up

killing.people: that's amazing.

Ow..I tried not to smudge this time :) Because some people didn't like it and cuz I want to try different techniques..
It's too bad that it doesn't exactly look like the original drawing because of the scanning...is there any way to fix that?

Ok that's it for now...I will try to write some more next time.

Keep posting your stuff people!
http://website.leidenuniv.nl/~s0369519/drawing/SP-20-06-04.jpg

[Mindflaw]

You win some you lose some, I gotta get a softer pencil, practise pencil shading this week and do an old advice jook gave me about just doing the nose, mouth, etc. to get it right, it improved me then so it might help me now too. :)
Yeah and if you want to up your confidence then try doing a charcoal sp...charcoal has a tendency to hide minor errors and is fun to work with as well.
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Mindflaw/Selfportraits/spblyerts.jpg

Tjendol: I work out the entire construction first then do shading/values and stuff, if the construction isn´t right, then shading is like giving your teddybear a bikini wax to get it in fashion, but htanks for the advices and I agree with giving ones sp:s a neck so they just doesn´t float around there are a few that actually gets away with not doing a necks and shoulders but they aren´t that many :)

About the scanning if you get some better software it gets a little better I used to have access to a computer with better software before I moved and the quality of reproduction was better then, but you could fix just a little by mixing with the different settings like contrast etc. takes forever but sometimes it could get closer to reality.

[Brain]

http://www.artofbrain.com/digital/self-21stjune.jpg
The clouds aren't that bad for your head...

Line weights of the clouds are a tad messed up in spots, making them look a lil less volumed. The neck looks odd as unseen is my elongated neck stretching through the clouds (half way edit.) I did refine the lines on me, though it detracted from the feeling I wanted, so I took it back to sketchiness. Colouring looks a lil flat, but couldn't quite put my finger on how to rectify it to my liking.

Greedy guts me will comment on others later. @:-P

[emily g]

Hello all,

Jook—thanks

Brain—thanks, I think you’re right about that eye.

Ni—thank you. I put a little more of the shoulders and neck in this next one.

Mindflaw—thanks. This next one is pretty loose, but I spent more time on it and tried to make it a little more rendered.

Jetpack—yeah, a couple people mentioned the eyes. I’ll watch more carefully next time. Thanks for the comments.

Blackhawk—thanks. Yes, the eyes again. I’ll watch those.

Rash—thanks, I appreciate your comments.

Here's mine for tonight. I struggled, threw away two attempts, then did this. Painter, acrylics, captured bristle. About 1 1/2 hours.

http://www.emilygordon.com/emilygsp6-20-04.jpg

Mindflaw—going well. You need to separate your light side and your dark side more clearly. After I do the basic construction, I block in the shadows right away.

Tjendol—I like your style on this. Construction looks good. There seems to be a little hollow on your left-hand cheek. I would shade that in just a little bit. There may be reflected light bouncing in there, but I would fill it in to make the construction look more solid.

Sharon5—I like these a lot. They show a lot of personality. Come on! You should at least comment on a couple!

Ni—you’re doing good, don’t get discouraged. I really liked the yellow/orange one on the other page. The brushstrokes around the mouth and chin are really great.

Rash—I like this. Good use of the pencil. I would like you to include the lip of your lower eyelid. The eyelid has a thickness that often catches the light. Keep it up.

Blackhawk—this is very nice. Your brushstrokes are nice and painterly and you’re showing form well. Love the highlights on the right side.

Jetpack—heh, that’s a cool idea. I like it.

Killing.people—I admire you for having the guts to post something that was humbling for you. I would only crit the arms. The torso and head look really solid.

Mindcandy—heh, I like the braids. I like how the shadow side of the face fades out, but I think you should draw the whole face next time. No shortcuts!

Brain—that’s a cool woodcut style. Oh, I just saw your next one. It has a good emotion.

Jook—I like this one. You need to make yourself measure more! I measure with my eyes by flicking my eyes really fast between my screen and my subject. The part that is out of place will appear to be “animating.”

Ion—cool. Good use of simple lines to describe the form. It’s really hard to pull off. I like it.

emily

[dCepT]

Damnit! I need to get a grip on myself and start posting more SPs!
You people rock!
I've started one in oils on a piece of thick aquarelle-paper..heh.. I haven't tried oils before, so I didn't want to ruin a perfectly good piece of canvas.. :D

I'll be posting the finished version when it gets done.

I just started this directly with the oils, I didn't use a sketch. I was too hyped up about trying out the paint, so I forgot..

http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v106/dCepT/2dpics/SpOil.jpg

d-C

[Brain]

http://www.artofbrain.com/digital/self-24thjune.jpg

Turned out better than I thought. Think I've put this in a more 3d space, though it may lose that around the goatee and perhaps the lips. Maybe some more definition on the hair...

emily g: Yee, I likey this one @:-) I think introducing a darker tone in areas could define some more form. It's minor, but all I could pick at. @:-)

dCepT: Oooo, this one's startin' out cool. More more @:-D

The rest: *poke* Git a move on!

[Ni*]

gack! .. boke.. retch!!!

i had a sickening time doing this one but i'm glad i tried a new view.

http://nirvine.250free.com/june9.jpg


brain- nice, i like the simplicity, its very graphic.

dcept- that painting looks to be coming along nicely, not sure if it is the camera or if it's deliberate, but it looks a bit yellow/green. i'm keen to see where it goes.

emily- really nice and accurate loooking as usual, this one looks a bit 'grey' though. very nice none the less :-p

mindflaw- good, getting much better. the best thing about pencil work is that you can tease the tones a tiny amount and layer it. its all about contrast, as an old lecturer of mine used to say 'it's the darks that make the lights lights.'

tjendol- nice pencil work. maybe the eyes are a bit big though. nice work though, you should work into it more to push the darks.

sharon 5- how did you learn what colours to use??? and bonus points for avoiding the 'self portrait stare' its nice to see a smile:-)

thats all i think, keep it up

N

[Blackhawk]

I will comment in a bit after I rest, it feels like someone kicked my face in today, I got hit hard with allergies. Keep them coming everyone.

http://images.snitzerart.com/spod/spod275.jpg

[dCepT]

Brain: Thanks! I like yours! Like Ni* said, it's very graphic...gives me a bit of a noir feel.

Ni*: I kinda like it... It's got this burnt out quality.. Cool. If you're in a slump these days, just keep drawing though!

Blackhawk: Yeah allergies suck pretty bad. Looks like your a bit tired in the SP as well.. it's cool to convey emotion through it! Keep 'em coming!

Here's an update on mine... the features under the nose (at least) are floating around a bit. I'm gonna correct that as soon as the paint dries up.
Ni*: It's the camera by the way... this one looks all red... I started the first layer out pretty light yellow, but I'll build towards darker tones. I'll try to get a decent photo the next time... without screwed up colors :)

http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v106/dCepT/2dpics/SpOil-004.jpg

d-C

[metalwinds]

blackhawk - nice dude. ..i think the structure of the face could be slightly more pronounce, though

emily g - lookin good, though id like to see the values pushes more, and little details could really help pull the piece together

dcept - keep pluggin away at that. ..dont neglect the structure of the face when you putting in values, though. i would also like to see the shadowed area considerably darker. ..its too similar in value to the light areas

couple from me. ..i dont ever post here. .i got a thread in the daily sketchbook thread where all my updates go, but i figured id give this a shot

http://img4.photobucket.com/albums/v29/metalwind/pg258.jpg

http://img64.photobucket.com/albums/v195/artistdannny/pg262.jpg

[Brain]

Stressful day at work, hot water system broken for 3 days, and then CA.org was down. Tense didn't begin to describe me.
http://www.artofbrain.com/digital/self-27thjune.jpg

[Groover McNab]

Here's a pretty shitty speedpaint but I promised myself I'd do these again. I'll have some comments tomorrow. Gotta go to bed...

http://www.flipvertical.com/images/shattysp.jpg

[emily g]

I just wanted to post a few comments before the month runs out.

Groover--this looks good. you have a good grasp on the form. Nice loose strokes, too. I would like to see more!

Brain--that's really cool. Great use of simplified shapes. Good emotion.

Metalwinds--thanks for the comments. I really like these. The line work is sensitive and you are showing the form. Good job.

dcept--ooh, I've done a couple self portraits in oils. They are not easy. Looking good so far. Watch your centerline.

Blackhawk--heh, you look really sleepy (and miserable). Hope you feel better soon. Good brushstrokes.

Ni--thanks for the comments. Good for you for trying a new view. That looks tough to hold. Maybe next time, try using more mid-greys and save the whites for highlights. I usually make my skin tone a light grey to make the highlights pop more. Good job.

emily

[Groover McNab]

emily g - just wanted to say thanks before the month was over. I really think that my speedpainting effort was not very good, so the compliment was quite a surprise. I'm gonna make sure to start the next month off right though!

[Mindflaw]

Hm, been to lazy in doing finished sp:s but I´ll post some comments to the ones that been productive, but I have been signing up for an evening life drawing class with teacher and stuff, which is ones a week for 12 weeks :) but I´ll have to wait until the end of august :cry:

Brain: I like your simplyfied sp:s

emily g: I´ll work on that. Like your sp you should finish it more, put in details you know eye covets and stuff even though imo they are kinda slimy fleshy things eek, but none the less :)

Dcept: nice start,maybe take another look at the eyes, and when you use your camera make sure it´s in the right angle (parallel) or else the pic will be foreshortened and stuff will be all wrong.

Ni*: Thanks and keep going

Blackhawk: yes you don´t look to well...hope you get better soon.

Groover McNab: I went to your sketchbook and I think a lot of your faces got emotion in them, going to be fun seeing your future sp:s

[emily g]

groover--no problem :)

Mindflaw--will do. Thanks for the comments. That's great news about your life drawing class.

Come on people! This month started so great, then kind of died off halfway through. People may have been busy in Austin, but now you're home and you're all fired up and inspired, right?

Let's get going again and make July good!

emily

[Kanimator]

http://www.studiodimensions.com/Kelsey/SelfPortraits/SP6-30-04.jpg

Did this one from my head, so it's all kinds of off.

[Blackhawk]

Sorry, I missed the rest of my June by an hour, but here's what I did beforehand.

http://images.snitzerart.com/spod/spod278.jpg

http://images.snitzerart.com/spod/spod276.jpg

http://images.snitzerart.com/spod/spod277.jpg

A few comments to atleast try to catchup...

Kanimator - Welcome back bud, good to see you here again. Good SP, I haven't seen July's yet, but I'll comment in that thread.

Groover - Welcome back. It was a pleasure meeting you in Austin, your definitely a good guy. Keep them coming man.

Emily - Thanks, I felt bad for that one day I made the SP, felt much better the second day, it just kind of lingered on for a few days after then it was done. I hate allergy attacks, first time I had one in 8 years, wasn't pleasant. Your popping the forms better, nose still reads like the form is a little wrong in your last one, but great job nonetheless. Keep it up.

Metalwinds - Thanks man. Very nice solid SP's, love the pencil work, huge fan of this kind of rendering. You did a great job rendering the eyes, very solid. I appreciate the crit, all sorts of things wrong on that one, I'll try your suggestion.

Dcept - That ear, especially the top, is juicy, lots of form to it, beautiful. The rest of the head needs proportions checked though, lots of features seem like they became a little misplaced. Concentrate on getting those proportions correct. Keep us updated.

Ni - That's a hilarious observation you had on my SP before Austin. Now that I read it and look back at it, it kind of creeps me out, lol. Thanks. Your stuff has a very zombie feel to it. I think the deep black eyes are passing on that illusion. :D Keep em coming, nice work bud.

Brain - Awesome man, so lively on your last one, just tons of raw energy. Love it.

Mindflaw - Nice SP, concentrate on your values and helping them to build the form. Watch your proportions as well and the alignment, eyes are off just a bit. It's a process though bud, keep them coming and keep improving.

Sharon - Beautiful, your color one just pops, with such nice subtle values too, good stuff.

Tjendol - All sorts, lol, I can't remember what brushes specifically, I mix it up with just your standard fare. Nothing I can really remember. Nice SP, good values and form, lower portion of face could be stronger though, looks like you lose interest in the lower half. Looking for more from you man.

Rash - When I read your reply while in Austin at an internet enable Schlotschzky's deli, I laughed, had me cracking. I like yours, looks like you gave up halfway through though, don't be like me, finish your stuff. Speaking of which I need to get back to this half-assed pencil one I posted on this.

See you guys and gals in July.