The Ringling Thread Part Deux (2005 hopefuls) + summary of old thread

[sula_nebouxi]

Haven't heard from those 4 in a long time either...But I think it's safe to remove filtered from there heh...He hasn't been here in about 10 months ;) I believe Andoo is still waiting to hear back from Rngling though. He's set his sights on another school though, Digipen. He's getting ready to send his portfolio off for that school. He's pretty excited about it, so I'm hoping he gets in :)

edit:my mistake

[jayneko]

They both keep telling me that after a year or two I could probabaly drop out and still get a really good job in "animation" doing "something".

Heh, I know what you mean. Dad keeps telling me to "just make a movie like the fish one and go to disney and sell it!" :P Riiiight.

I hope Andoo get into Digipen too. :D Sounds nifty.

And I know it's a bit early, but we should all celebrate when we get to RSAD in orientation or something... any ideas? ;P

[EccoXile]

have fun in florida hett :P i figure i shoudl go down there and check out the campus....just too far away and no time right now. i should have gone for spring break...hahaha. yeah right.

thats a fairly nice size list going, its great to be able to know people right away, especially such a dedicated group :yayca: don't like people that don't take things seriously, one of the reasons I didn't take the easy route and go to a college closer to home.

[sula_nebouxi]

Orientation party? w00t! Party at Hett's place! hehe just kiddin...We must have cream soda...and uh...pizza. Yeah, that's it ;) Jay, I'm totally bringing the Stewart's Cream Soda. And you will try some, you'll never go back to Mountain Dew again :D

I honestly have no clue what we can do :P Maybe there's something in that city nearby...ya know, Old People Ville...what's the name? Oh yeah...Sarasota. :P There's gotta be something to check out...right? ....anybody?

Heh...anyways...I got my letter today saying I have a seat confirmed in the CA program. w00t :) And it was personally signed by Dean Dean himself :P Here's an interesting little thing I noticed on the letter. It says that Orientation starts on the 18th not the 17th as it was noted earlier. So, I'm guessing international students must come on the 17th. I'm gonna wait for the official timeline to come in the mail before I say anything definitively.

[jayneko]

Bwhaha, I'm still getting all the goodies one day earlier! ;)

Well..Tampa and Orlando are not too far off. ;) Maybe Hett can scout for us this weekend and such. ;D *Nudge*

Good luck apartment-hunting and such Hett. :D Be sure to take pics of town so we can daydream s'more till we get there!

[OneYouCannotMention]

On a side note she and I are driving down there this next weekend to go house/apartment hunting. We need to find a place and make a decision relatively soon so that we can get situated down there. Driving around Sarasota/Bradenton for two days will be nice. I hope the weather will be cooperative.

How far away do you want to live from campus? If you want to be relatively close pick up one of those apartment guide magazines at a 7/11 and look for apartments down University Parkway.

I chose to live in Bradenton when I was a student around Cortez and 59th St W. it took about 25 minutes to get to campus but I like a little distance between school or work and home.

But your wife is going to be working in Sarasota so you might want to stay further south. Shop around there is a lot of nice stuff out there.

[hunter]

hey guys. i figured i may as well register and introduce myself here since ive been lurking around conceptart for a long time and reading this thread for the past few weeks.

im a regular over at PAs artist corner and got accepted into ringlings CA program for next year. i hope to see yall there in august!

sorry i have no website or art dump but i guess i could scrounge up a few links if you really care :perv:

[sula_nebouxi]

Awesome hunter! My we're getting quite a few ringling-bound people here ;) Not that it's a bad thing hehe. We'd love to see some of your stuff if it's alright. Does PA=penny-arcade?

Anyways...see ya in 4.5 months :P

[jayneko]

Welcome hunter, and congrats on making it into CA. :D

[hunter]

yeah PA is penny arcade. i guess ill whip up some links right now.

hour self portrait, the nose is so whack and its pretty suck but just a quickie before it was due o.O
http://photopile.com/photos/hunter41/asd/175823.jpg

heres my first etching, just messing around
http://photopile.com/photos/hunter40/sda/174107.jpg

and a character sheet i had to make for my sheridan portfolio (i got accepted, but it was just my backup)
http://photopile.com/photos/hunter39/sda/172581.jpg

landscape
http://photopile.com/photos/hunter38/dsa/172059.jpg

[dadamafia]

cool stuff bro. welcome to our peaceful cave.

[dadamafia]

hey guys, i got a little idea. all those people who got into ringling should start a little ringling preparation sketchgroup thing. like we give weekly objectives and then we share and critique everybody. this will get us as sharp as possible in time for the start of the skool year. just a thought anyways.

[Hett15]

How far away do you want to live from campus? If you want to be relatively close ... look for apartments down University Parkway... But your wife is going to be working in Sarasota so you might want to stay further south.

Yea we are going to try to live as close to campus as we can, becuase she might be getting hired at Oak Park Elemetary which is right down the road from Ringling. Thanks for the info about the apratment guide. We will definately be checking out University. I think I remember looking at some townhomes there last time we came to visit. We would ideally like to rent a townhome/duplex/house for around $700/month, but we will settle for an apartment if that is all we can find/afford. Is University the road that just got that Publix shopping center that is tan with red/orange spanish tiled roofs? It has a few banks, a walgreens, and a panera bread? If itis that is a really nice area. We almost bought a town home across the street from it in a new development, but we couldn't get approved for enough to buy it. Oh well. OYCM how is parking on campus for the commuting students? If you schedule early classes does that help to get a parking spot? I come from a University that has about 4,000 parking spaces for 45,000 students so I know parking can be a hassle.

And hey everyone we can definately have a get together party at my place once I get one. My wife's birthday is on Aug. 17th so we will have to do it after that. I'll look into fun stuff down there. I have cousins in St. Pete and some friends in Bradenton so I'll get the "low down" . OYCM could give us hints since this was his/her/its old stomping ground.

Congrats Hunter, I will edit you into the last list I just put up. As far as those other people I will Edit them out.

Dadmafia your sketch group thing sounds like something we should all definately do. We need to go do it in a different thread though to keep this about Ringling. Start one up in the sketchbook forum. Name it something like "Ringling 2005'ers Sketchbook" or something that doesn't sound quite as dumb. :teeth:

Ecco i'll take pictures while I'm down there to show off to everyone to keep your mouths watering. last time I took a bunch of pictures and lost the film, but now I have a digital camera so i will upload them when I get back.


Jayneko and Sula you guys rock! (just trying to include you in my post :) )

[ScatteredLogical]

How about the Ringling 2005 Living Yearbook? It starts around now and then even follows people as they hit their first assignments, etc. to provide anyone online who might land here an interesting perspective on the student experience, all told through the art produced on the thread.

[EccoXile]

Ohh, i really like the sketchbook/yearbook idea.

Sula seems to like cream soda? Haha, love cream soda. I haven't tried stewarts, seems it would be good though.
Pictures woudl be muchly awesome Hett. And of more than just the campus, thats all I have seen (and the always seem to be close ups of just one building)

I think I'll be heading down there a couple weeks early. I have some friends in orlando/palm bay I have to spend some time with. But I would still definatly be up for a ca partyish.

[Pixeldragoon]

Can ringling hopefuls do the sketchbook thingy too o,o pwease?

[sula_nebouxi]

I like the sketchbook/yearbook idea too...I think we should have seperate threads though...might get a bit crowded if everyone here started posting anything and everything in there. We could certainly try one big thread first...

And yes I love cream soda ;) It's amazing hehe. I also love Big Ed's ribs, Pina Colada Sobe and Dim Sum :)

On a side note...I'm feeling a bit nostalgic today, so here's a blast from the past. One of my favorite comic strips back when I was 7 or 8...It's been around since 1962 heh...It's a Chinese comic, the title in Cantonese sounds roughly like "Lo Fu Ji". It translates to Old Master but for some reason they added a Q to make it Old Master Q. Rather than posting the image...I'll just link it...don't want it to take too much away from our main focus, Ringling. :) I just had to share heh...

http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~atso/omq20020201.gif

[ScatteredLogical]

My suggestion was pretty much in name only....dada's got a good idea that's been very successful elsewhere...General stuff is poison...

[ScatteredLogical]

And IBC makes a fantastic cream soda....

Ringling Ringling Ringling Ringling </relevanceinsurance>

[Red_Rook]

i got an accpetance letter into the illustration program :)

but ill prolly do the core year somewhere else cause i cant afford it, and then transfer :/ but its cool to know i got in anyway :D so look out for me in about a year :)

[jejuhorse]

Andoo i hope you really get in good luck :)

And that sketchgroup really sounds like a great idea i gotta start getting busy drawing :D
these days i don't know what i should draw so..sketchgroup sounds awesome!
oh for me on Ringling I extended my decision to May 1st i called them couple minute ago and try to check if they got my mail but..no ones there yet

Oh and Hett did you get my caricature that i sent? :D
I think I should've drawn the other part of the arm but i guess i got to lazy or something heh
and Hett Good Luck with the Apartment Hunting :D
You should try to get somewhere close to Ringling Hehe so we can comeover XD

And i think i'm going to take my bro's car to Ringling :D
so i guess i don't have to worry about getting a bike or such

one thing that worries me is that when i go to Korea this summer you know how July is like the most important time where all those letters and information about Ringling comes but i have to go to korea this summer so..hmm...i should like ask the admission office if i they can send those letter to me to korea :D heh that would be cool~

Oh Sula I had some Cream Soda yesterday :D but from Miejers though
from a cheap brand hehe but it still tasted good ^^V

[Hett15]

Jejuhorse I got your picture and saved it in my email so I will download it when I get home.

Andoo good luck with Digipen, that really is another great school. I hope you get in there and make it through the Ringling waiting list.



What is this cream soda you people speak of. Sounds delicious! :P

I personally am a big fan of rootbeer floats in frosted mugs! :vodkamachine:

[jayneko]

Bah. Do the Dew!!!

Congrats on making it, Red Rook! :D One more four our CA.org list!

Andoo, best of luck! :D Keep us posted eh?

And the sketchbook idea sounds nifty. ...So we start now or what? XD

[ScatteredLogical]

Redbook > How many years do you take at Ringling then?

Andoo and Jeju > Do legitimate acceptances making extensions push how far back the waiting list people start getting to take slots?

[sula_nebouxi]

Congrats Red_Rook :) It's too bad you won't be joining us...good luck though!

And I think it's possible that the extensions will push back the wait for the waitlisted people. So...some may not know whether or not they've been accepted until May. I don't know if they'll accept waitlisted people while waiting on the people who filed extensions. Since they might end up admitting more people than they have room for.

PS Cream soda is the drink of the gods. It cannot be beaten...unless you make it a cream soda float, I think I'll be in heaven. Ooh...must buy ice cream now.

I'm all for the sketchbook idea...when do we start? :)

[CatHicks]

We'll be getting our rooming information in the mail sometime next week.

I hope I made it into Keating in time. x_x I really don't want to be Appleton/Idolson/Harmond... or the Cove. Too far away.

Welcome you new people! Can't wait to see you in CA!

How's the collage coming Hett?

[sula_nebouxi]

We're getting our room info next week? Really? I heard we wouldn't get our assignments until June or July...At least that's what the timeline said on the RSAD welcome site...I think me and Jay are getting stuck in Apple/Idel/Harm unless some upperclassman decides to live off campus(which I really hope happens)...In that case we'll get put into the Bayou since we're transfers w00t! *crosses fingers*

Oh and Cat...I added you to my LJ friends list, I want to see the purty art :P

[CatHicks]

^ I've been talking back and forth with the offices trying to get more info on credits and they said to be expecting a letter within the next week regarding room info.

I now understand why everyone was talking about loans/grants so much a few pages back. I've just now realized that the money situation is really bad. I had a talk with my dad about all of this this past weekend. My family can't afford it. If I don't find some good grants/scholarships soon I'll be going to CalArts. :[

*edit* Ooo I'll add you back Sula!

[jayneko]

Aw, get a loan! o_O You have to go Cat, else I'll never color as good as you in Photoshop. ;E

Imma looking for some more financial aid links I think I haven't posted.. Ill update later wiff them.

What we need is a "Save our Ringling Students!" fund or something to get donations.

......

Not a bad idea.... >_____>

And add me too Cat! :p Been waiting for like...days now. ;)

[jejuhorse]

That would be A Great Idea Jay! hehe
i just called Ringling and confirmed that they extended my decision making time till May 1st
But as i get my Financial aid result i'll probably decide right away
It's all on my financial aid...if i don't get any from it then...argh...maybe a different school... :er:
Same as our family my parents can't afford all that tuition so...it's all about financial aid and loans..and jobs..

cream soda float sounds really good~~!!^^
i have some rootbeer at my house but no icecream:(

Edit: Me too Cat :D you're in my list but i think i'm not on yours :)

[hunter]

you did the fafsa stuff right cat?

and why calarts? its even more expensive, unless you got some scholarships there

[EccoXile]

alright then, cream soda is the official :yayca: ringling drink. :P

i've never had it with ice cream....i feel like thats a sin now.

and cat >O you havveee to go to ringling. do whatever it takes, sell your soul :D i would. >:D

[CatHicks]

I knoooow! I think I'll rob a bank. Or strip. Or something.

you did the fafsa stuff right cat?

and why calarts? its even more expensive, unless you got some scholarships there
Yeah I did. We're one of those families that arn't poor enough to get a good amount of loans but arn't wealthy enough to actually afford to make up what else is needed. Gah! And yes, CalArts is giving me more to go there than Ringling is.

I told my dad, "I thought you didn't want me to be so far away!" and he said, "Well, don't most people work out there when they graduate anyways?" Ack! It's like the money thing has totally changed his mind! Mom on the other hand wants me at RSAD. We've got everything confirmed with Ringling whereas everywhere else is still just like, "Umm... Hello? Miss Hicks?" Maybe I should just throw away any letters and hang up phone calls from CalArts and SCAD until their confirmation deadlines expire... then I'll HAVE to go to Ringling! Muahahhahahah!!!

Eep! I need to know your lj user names! Jayneko I added you last night I'm pretty sure. Or maybe that was you, jejuhorse. My journal used to be where everyone could see it but then all of the sudden people started to steal my sketches that I would post, color them and call them theirs. :( So now I have it so where only nice people can see. Haha!

[Hett15]

How's the collage coming Hett?

Now that I have about 5 pics I am going to start it.
Cat...send me yours ONE MORE TIME please. I can't even explain where the second one went. It was in my inbox and then the next day it was gone. Don't ask. I'm half-stupid I've been told.

and Cat ... GO TO RINGLING! (or CalArts if you really have too...)

[CatHicks]

LOL! Don't worry. if you're "half-studpid" then I'm all stupid. I'll send it right now.

[sula_nebouxi]

Cat! You gotta come to Ringling! Do whatever it takes! Tell your dad that CalArts is the debil! Take out a massive loan...that's all you really can do...I'm sure your parents can contribute something. You should be able to borrow something from the government and they should give you *some* kind of grant. Worse comes to worse you can take out a loan from a lending institution. Your parents will need to cosign it. But, if you can work during the summer or in the work study program you can earn enough to pay back the loan during the school year. Just be careful to look at the fine print and see how much you need to pay each month. Either the minimum is just interest or interest+small amount of principle. You can make this work! There are options. Don't let this stand in the way ;)

Oh and my LJ username is the same as my username here :P sula_nebouxi heh

Ooh ooh...yes it's official, cream soda is the official drink of all ringlingers ;) And we will all ritualistically drink it while we are there...muahahaha...

Hett! I suck at coloring! And I'm studying for an exam tomorrow! I might finish it thursday night...Sorry :( :^^;:

[jayneko]

Darn. Out-numbered by the cream soda people...

*Will keep Mountain Dews under his bed..sniff*

S'ok Ecco! I've never even HAD cream soda. ;) ...But now I want ice cream.

I knoooow! I think I'll rob a bank. Or strip. Or something.

Heh. XD I'll help. :P I still think fund's a good idea, tho... XD You might be surprised!

And as for the sketchbook..I think I'll start tonight if I find anything interesting to draw. *Goes get his pencils*

[EccoXile]

:O:O:O now thats sin. we just have to teach you to like something new.
i dont drink pop very often...they taught me bad things in anatomy class...

so are we going just a bunch of single sketchbooks or a group one to start...whats the final decision?

[Hett15]

Well it's getting started. Hopefully more people will join...



http://home.comcast.net/~hett15/Ringling_Group_500x1000.jpg

[ScatteredLogical]

I'd send a pic, but I'm still on the waiting list...maybe you can stick it in and put it at 50% transparency? :P

And there are limits to loans no matter what institution you get it from; it isn't as if Ringling went "Oh it's 43 instead of 33" at the last minute it would only be a matter of turning up the knob on whoever was loaning us money... all I can do for you Cat is pray...and I seriously just did...I wish you the best of fortunes in whatever's the best thing to happen to you, happening...And may you find and/or get lent oodles...

[CatHicks]

This thread is so inspiring.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/cathicks/nooooscad.jpg

Hahaha! Hey don't worry jayneko, I like Mountian Dew too.

Hey, thanks for your advice and thoughts guys! That means a lot. I'll pass the loan info onto my dad. I've been filling out forms at fastwebs everynight for the last several days. I feel so pitiful. Haha! I'll keep you all updated.

[sula_nebouxi]

You're welcome Cat. Ringling wouldn't be the same without ya. :) Haha! nice drawing :) I like the cameo appearance of the cream soda :P

Heh...I've created a monster. Cream soda has made it's way into everything. Now it's only fair that we should have an official food too! Any suggestions? I would like to nominate Big Ed's Ribs, but I don't think any of you guys here have ever had it :P It's a New Jersey thing heh. Best ribs in the world!! So tender...the meat comes right off the bone and the sauce is just right. Not too much, not too little. I can eat a whole rack...so good...

But for now...it's all you baby...*drools*
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~atso/stewarts%20cream%20soda.jpg

[hunter]

cat: were you the one that got the full ride to SCAD? i'd take it personally. its still a good art school and a full ride there is better than a lifetime of debt. its up to you though.

also: cream soda is terrible

[Avelena]

*pets the cream soda* Shh, don't listen to him, you're the best.

Idea for official food: buffalo wings, cause they make me a happy April!

Cat: It'd be awesome for you to go to Ringling, if it doesn't work out though SCAD and Cal art are excellant schools too.

Ohh, the group pictures lookin good, I should put something together for it but my pad's fighting me right now.

[jayneko]

Aw, that's great Cat. XD
Well, think about it. A full ride IS a full ride, but your education's more important than money. Although with your talent I know you can make it anywhere! ^_^

And I still can't CG. *Cries*

In any case, I heard about the RSAD cafeteria serving green hot dogs on St Patricks... What can be a better official food then green wieners? ;)

Well, I've been trying to start the sketchbook..but...nothing comes out. What do you guys do to get inspired? It feels horrible not..feeling like...anything... bleah. I need to get to rsad soon...too bored.

...I need a tablet. XD

[sula_nebouxi]

If I had to choose between CalArts and SCAD, I'd choose CalArts heh. It'll be a hard choice for you, Cat. That goes without saying. Go to a school that's giving you a full ride or go into $100k of debt. It'll only be a lifetime of debt if you only make minimum payments all the time :P CalArts is a great school. If worse comes to worse, go for it :) But we sure will miss having you around heh. We all know you'll do great whereever you end up. Who knows...we might even end up working with each other one day :)

P.S. come to Ringling ;)...hehe just kiddin...do whatever's right for you :) Follow your heart wherever it takes you(cliched I know...)

PPS Cream soda is awesome. It's more awesome than monkeys in zoot suits. And pirate ninjas...with peg legs and parrots named Salty Bob.

[EccoXile]

ribs and buffalo wings. blech. hmm, good food....i like fish :bashful: haha. ill leave the official food to you guys. and that stewarts looks yummy.

jay: just draw! doenst matter what, you can just make scribbles and see what comes out of it.
personally inspiration for me, is from a good story. be it a movie, book, from my friends. jsut something that gets me thinking and the thoughts going. or ill dig through lots of photographs and references and piece stuff together.

*knows too little about scad and calarts to say anything on that subject*

[Hett15]

CAT


I say screw SCAD,
Consider Cal Arts,
but fight for Ringling.

I know there are other great schools out there, but you must consider other factors. SCAD is known for being in pretty ghetto area that is somewhat dangerous among other horror stories about the campus and administration. The animation program is also (in my opinion) not quite up to snuff when compared to Ringling and others if you want the best training and chance for employment after graduation, (although Larry L. is a great teacher there). it is a great school for sequential art and fine arts, and the animation program is good, but there is a reason why they are giving you a full ride and other schools aren't. Do you want to be THE best in your program coming in? Or do you want to see others better then you and work your way to the top and improve among peers that will challenge you even more then you think you could be challenged.

Cal Arts is known world wide as a great animation school, and you should feel good about getting a scholarship there. It is a tough place to make it into, but (so I have heard) the program is falling a little behind in the technology aspect. You will have wonderful teachers there as well, and you will be close to the animation industry, and it is an all around great school, but I am not totally sold on there Computer Animation program there, since they are so deeply entrenched in traditional and "experimental" animation. The technology training and equipment is getting better though (I have also heard).

Ringling is emerging (if not already at the top) as a world leader in outputting fantastic animators. I think that Cal Arts and Ringling are equal when it comes to the training you get, included with all the other courses (story, concept, & character design, etc...) that prepares you for all aspects of becoming an animator and working in so many other facets of the industry, but... I think that Ringling has an edge when it comes to the Computer Animation aspect of it. Ringling has made large investments in developing this computer animation program and in the new age of animation in the market place, computer animation has established itself as a contender that will never go away. I'm not thinking about 2D vs. 3D as a reason to choose Ringling, but from what I can tell about your skills as an artist already, you won't need much more training in 2D and I think you will be able to benefit your career as an animator more if you choose a school that will enhance your skills to a whole new level and will give you the tools and training needed to succeed. Not to mention the great career assistance services for grads and post grads. (I should be a sales person for Ringling! Ha ha ha) It is a pricey investment, but in the long run I think it would be very well worth it. Do what you must, but don't back down from a challenge just because there is an obstacle in your way. Find away around it. There is always a way if you try hard enough and look at it from enough angles. Don't let your parents sway you if this is what you want. Prove to them that you can do it. Earn there faith in you that you will succeed at Ringling. I am married (which means no $$ help from mom and dad) at 23 years old and we make less then $30, 000 right now, but we are finding ways to make it. It is doable and you will be able to pay it all off. An investment in your education is not a bad thing.



and that's what I have to say about that.

sorry if you had to look up into the sun to see me standing on my soap box.

[ScatteredLogical]

I'm not thinking about 2D vs. 3D as a reason to choose Ringling, but from what I can tell about your skills as an artist already, you won't need much more training in 2D

I don't see it as that much of a ladder...more of a cycle...if it is a ladder though, I'd bet it's higher than the soap box in the sun :blahblah: If every old decaying zombie of a Biblical-age animator says they still have more to learn, perhaps we as students have a ways to go before the intermediate level is within our grasp. Unless you simply meant getting "enough of a grip" to be able to handle 3D firmly with a 2D foundation. Do you have any animation of those drawings? I'm with Hett, they look very supple in stills; how do they move?

[Hett15]

SL I'm not saying that you can ever learn everything about 2D animation. I'm suggesting that at the level she is already at in charcter design and drawing skills she will do very well in 2D i would assume and I would think that after the training Ringling will give us, she will be even better. With that foundation she should be able to use it to her advantage in 3D computer animation and I think that Ringlnig is a great place to make that transition. I think of it as a ladder system. Its about learning the art form and then switching up the tools.

I am a firm believer that the best animators are usually good at traditional animation and have a firm foundation in life drawing and observational drawing. Then computers are incorporated and used as another tool once the artist has a grasp on what animation is and how objects move, act, react, and give the illusion of life. There are some wonderful 3D artist/animators out there that can't draw with a pencil to save there life, but they are fantastic on a computer (that's their tool of choice I guess). They made it, that's great for them. I still think they lack some necessary skills though to be the best.

[Hett15]

http://www.dpsu.com/AWMug.jpg http://www.outbacksteakhouse.co.jp/images/menu/ribs_barbie.jpg

and this my friends is a real drink!!!
and my favorite food in the world..Outback Steakhouse Ribs!

[ScatteredLogical]

I was talking about 2D and implementation of time, not the transition, because I agree with you in transitioning from 2D to 3D. I knew that the intepretation would come up which is why I talked about it in my post; nonetheless those are very different conversations.

I'm surprised no one's suggested the obvious: Onion Ring(ling)s!

[jayneko]

*Laughs* XD Hehehe. .. Now I'm hungry.

All this talk about soft drinks, too... Best drink > Orange Juice.
*Is all about citrus*

Anyhow. Must find a way to make this post relevant...

http://cctvimedia.clearchannel.com/wxxa/onion%20rings.jpg

We should all suggest these dishes to the rsad cafeteria!

[CatHicks]

Cat: It'd be awesome for you to go to Ringling, if it doesn't work out though SCAD and Cal art are excellant schools too.
.
I know CalArts is great... SCAD is not NASAD accredited though. And their teacher/student ratio for CA is like 300 to 1. Haha, well it's not that bat but it's not as good as Ringling.

Aw, that's great Cat. XD
Well, think about it. A full ride IS a full ride, but your education's more important than money. Although with your talent I know you can make it anywhere! ^_^

And I still can't CG. *Cries*
Thank you! That's what I said! Ringling's worth it! And YES YOU CAN CG!

If I had to choose between CalArts and SCAD, I'd choose CalArts heh. It'll be a hard choice for you, Cat. That goes without saying. Go to a school that's giving you a full ride or go into $100k of debt. It'll only be a lifetime of debt if you only make minimum payments all the time CalArts is a great school. If worse comes to worse, go for it But we sure will miss having you around heh. We all know you'll do great whereever you end up. Who knows...we might even end up working with each other one day.
I used to really want to go to SCAD back in grade school then started to do some research and found that Ringling was like, far far better. If I can't go to Ringling I'll be going to CalArts. Which is cool but I still really want to go to Ringling. And yes! It would be great to work with you someday!

I say screw SCAD,
Consider Cal Arts,
but fight for Ringling.
That is so... what's in my head right now. I've made it clear to my parents that I do not want to go to SCAD. Like you said, I want (and need) more of a challenge. SCAD is..eh.. really not my kind of school, I guess. I've heard to many horror stories. Seen to many bad reels.

CalArts on the other hand is amazing. In my opinion, both RSAD and CalArts are neck and neck when it comes to kick ass animation programs. Though the only CA I've seen come out of CalArts is through that "experimental" animation program you just mentioned. The majority of everything they still do is traditional. And traditional is like.... dead? But I'm still somewhat thrown off because like all of Pixar's braintrust is CalArts alumni. So... yeah.

RINGLING, on the other hand, really IS the number one computer animation school in the country. But I'm not going there to just learn CA... you learn just about everything that goes into making an animated film there. And we will all be learning 2D too so we can do both. It's a more rounded program and I know I'll get more out of it. And Hett, you're such an inspiration! Haha! You've got such faith.

I'll have to comment on all of the other stuff later. I have to go eat Chinese food now. I'll be on later tonight and we can chat.

[jejuhorse]

Originally Posted by CatHicks
RINGLING, on the other hand, really IS the number one computer animation school in the country. But I'm not going there to just learn CA... you learn just about everything that goes into making an animated film there. And we will all be learning 2D too so we can do both. It's a more rounded program and I know I'll get more out of it.

That what you just said gave me a butterflie XD
I cannot wait till i get there :D

[jayneko]

I give you...Ringling's mascot (http://artpad.art.com/gallery/?ie708vggzgc)

Well I WAS bored, and Sula got me addicted to that art..board thingie. XD

[Hett15]

CAT layout a huge pro/con list about CAL ARTS and Ringling and then show it to your parents and show them how much more you want to go to RIngling. They will then tell you they want you to go there to, but they "just can't afford it" That's when they have given up in their heads, but they haven't done the leg work to check around for loans. Go to banks yourself and make appointments and call around. I'll get you a list of some student loan places if you want. I think I have it some where.

[sula_nebouxi]

SCAD not accredited by NASAD? Jeez...yet another reason not to go there :P

CalArts's character animation program does seem to focus on 2d animation. I wouldn't say 2d is dead...it comes up every now and then if it's more 'artful' to have it in 2d. Most animated features have lots of 3d elements in them now. Even anime is slowly incorporating 3d. So yeah...I think it would be a nice advantage to go somewhere where you can learn aspects of animation relevant in today's industry.

What am i doing? I'm preaching to the choir here...:P I'm sure all of you guys know how great Ringling will be, so I don't really need to keep on blabbing :)

Couple of things...
Cat- Are you eating General Tso's chicken? :P And did your LJ background come from Eric Drobile's Merry Melony or something?
Hett- Now that's dedication :) Props to ya. Now I gotta get me a picture of Big Ed's ribs...just thinking about them...ooh yeah...
Jay- Armadillos are cool :) Now where's that recipe I found...
jeju- me neither ;)

Oh and this one's for you Hett...lip-smackin good, Big Ed style:
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~atso/b9.JPG

Ok I think I'm done...ooh ooh! wait! revelation! I just had an idea for a drawing...gonna write it down and start later. Just so ya know...Cat inspired this one ;) wink wink nudge nudge....know what I mean? I'll see if I can get it done on the weekend(and the caricature too :P). I'll post it up when it's done :)

Heh...I'm done now...later all.

[jayneko]

Sula.. Is that a plantain? ....you HAVE them up there???!

*Thank GOD!* Now that's good eating.

Ringling should have a Cooking minor now. ;)

[ScatteredLogical]

The majority of everything they still do is traditional. And traditional is like.... dead? Don't forget to pack a little foresight.

And if you wind up going to CalArts, there are far worse fates than being focused into such a 2D beast you can hand everyone their ass just by willing the lasers to shoot from your ears. If the studios themselves tell you software training isn't as important as learning the fine arts and traditional principles aspect, and that most of them use proprietary versions of off-the-shelf products (so to speak) I'd almost rather go to a 2D school and teach myself the software. Personal preference though.

Just consider that, though. Ringling has the beast of a career center to assist you, but schooling isn't required to create a reel and aside from the 'professionalism' kick they sell in the catalog, your personality as the other requirement to get hired kinda comes free. Just that most people need it to let them in on how to not suck at the content of their productions =)

So if you can go it alone, going to either top-tier school will make the process that much easier...

[sula_nebouxi]

That's not a plantain ;) It's buttered garlic bread hehe. I don't think it would match the rest of the food...It's tasty but...steak and plantains? Hmm...maybe that wouldn't be so bad after all :P

Heh plantains are everywhere here...I see them in supermarkets all the time. Big green monstrous bananas ;) hehe

on a side note: ARG! friggin AIM!! I hate you!!! Die now!!!

[ScatteredLogical]

You too!? What, was the server cluster hit by a warhead? I had to try three different versions of AIM Express on their webpage before I connected, only to see that one person on my list managed to survive whatever's going on.

[Pixeldragoon]

Same here! The heck is going on ?

And I vote Yoshi berries.

[CatHicks]

Woot! I gotta catch up!

Do you have any animation of those drawings? I'm with Hett, they look very supple in stills; how do they move?
I don't have any animation of "Cat", no. The animations that I've done in digital film can't leave the lab until after classes end. :( Sad.

I am a firm believer that the best animators are usually good at traditional animation and have a firm foundation in life drawing and observational drawing.
ME TOO. That's why I'm so crazy about getting better at life drawing.

jayneko that's a great doodle of Rembrandt the armadillo! So cute.

Hett15 that's an AWESOME idea. I'm going to get to work on that. Thank you1

sula_nebouxi, yes my lj background IS from Merry Melony. Used with permission. Eric Drobile goes to Rinlging by the way.

And AIM seems to be working for me. Strange.

[ScatteredLogical]

What are the digital film anims of?

[CatHicks]

A bunch of different things. We have different projects every week. The animation part of it is for beginners so they arn't anything really big. They are things ranging from a ballon floating down and "dancing" across a street to a little girl doing exercises by bending down and touching her toes. We're touching on all the different principles.

Right now we're doing smearing and I'm animating a guy getting punched in the face.

[ScatteredLogical]

I LOVE smears. For me it was one of those big things to really get "why" something was done, why it worked, and how it could be used all at once...and it just feels good when you've made one work yourself (especially if it has any complexity) because it's so goshforsaken cartoony!

[CatHicks]

^ Yes! It's so funny to sit back and look at one of your key drawings because it looks so strange by itself as a still. Only once everything is put together it makes sense. Smears are one of those things that really only work best in animation. Haha!

[Hett15]

For anyone needing loans try http://www.salliemae.com/

(also from the RSAD website)

Ringling School of Art and Design cooperates with Academic Management Services [AMS], an organization which assists in managing all or part of yearly college costs. For a nominal annual processing fee, AMS participants can pay college costs in convenient monthly installments, with no interest charged. Because payments for fall semester begin in July, which is prior to your attendance at Ringling School, it is important to enroll in the program as soon as possible. Complete details are available by contacting the Office of Student Billing at 941.359.7511 or by calling AMS toll-free at 800.635.0120.
How do I figure out how much to budget with AMS?

For 2004-2005, tutition and fees [not including room and board] for a first-year student is $22,115. This amount with room and board, less any financial aid, if you are a recipient, will determine your yearly AMS contract amount. However, you may contact AMS as early as May to establish an estimated contract. Please remember to budget with AMS for the full academic year. By enrolling in the AMS monthly payment plan, your student account receives a credit each semester for the amount of the semester budget. Student Billing will credit your student account in advance of making all of the AMS payments. Student Billing can provide assistance for determining the contract amount.

I am on the AMS monthly payment plan. Why is there a balance on my account?

If you are on the AMS monthly payment plan and a balance due still remains, you may have under-budgeted your contract. Student Billing will review your account with you to determine the amount outstanding. You can pay this amount directly to the School or contact AMS to increase your contract.




and a reminder
When are payments due?

Fall Payment: July 12 for new students • August 8 for returning students.
Spring Payment: December 10.

[ScatteredLogical]

I think that same site says the Ringling AMS year has 10 months. If I use that program, my problem then becomes finding 3300 a month. If one is that resourceful, does one need such a program...

I think this is the part where I've missed something glaringly obvious...

[Hett15]

I will check on this but usually loans have a 10 year repayment plan of 120 payments.

AMS does have something on the site that says typical AMS years are 10 months. This link tells you about the AMS payments

https://secure.tuitionpay.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TuitionPay.woa/23/wo/Qg5vLZiaXeLC2z8WlaCILRtrlRC/15.2.9.7.13

Try this calculator to see what is feasible for all of you

https://secure.tuitionpay.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TuitionPay.woa/23/wo/Qg5vLZiaXeLC2z8WlaCILRtrlRC/6.2.9.9.0

[ScatteredLogical]

I tried the calculator, and all I saw was a giant graphic of a mallet. What gives? :wink:

[Pixeldragoon]

Yay!!! Digital Three Gallery Show Today! Whoot!

[jayneko]

Have fun there! :) Tell us how it went.

[Pixeldragoon]

It was awesome! I got tons of free gummi works and oreos and sprites an cokes, nad the work was really interesting, but alot of people, almost half didn't finish their work for it, and most of those peeps didnt even come, so it wasnt EXTREMLY full, but it wass pretty jammed. There were like, 23 people their, and it was some pretty cool stuff. And I got a nifty shirt that I am going to scan.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/BAIT.jpg

Here it is!

[CatHicks]

Very cool Pixel! Did you take any pictures?

[Pixeldragoon]

Sadly enough I dont have a camera ='(

[razuel]

I emailed this to an illustration student at ringling, but I'll post it here as well,

I'm currently a junior in high school and it's about time to start getting my portfolio ready and decide what I want to major in, in art school. I love to draw, but I want a stable career. RSAD is my first choice for a school, but there' s a huge distance and a lot of money. My question is, what kind of career can I get into with an illustration major? Is it hard to find a stable job in illustration? What do I need to do to prepare-- besides draw like crazy? What other majors would you recommend looking into for someone who loves traditional art, but wants a stable career?

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

[sula_nebouxi]

I know that for the comic industry, the competition is cutthroat. There will be scores of incredible artists looking for work. Then there are the elite that have the jobs come to them. Alex Ross comes to mind. They have to put out quality work at breakneck speeds. Much like any art industry now that I think about it. There isn't much stability unless you have a unique, appealing style that you can churn out consistantly.

There are plenty of jobs out there for illustrators ranging from comic strip artists, to concept art to children's book illustration. I think most want to get into concept art after Ringling but they have to compete with some serious veterans. I think the only way you'll have a stable career is if you're one of the best. Feng Zhu would be a good example.

And of course, there's teaching. That's sure to be a stable career. The pay sucks though.

Hope that helps some.

[razuel]

It does, I don't think there's any chance I'll ever be that good. Teaching was actually my last resort, but I do like to teach classmates. Is there any job like advertising or something along those lines that need an illustration major? Is graphic art any more stable?

[dadamafia]

how much do you think they get teaching.

[Hett15]

Well our trip to Ringling got post-poned a week due to inclement weather on firday. We were all set and ready to go, but the interstate was flooded and we didn't want to try leaving early on saturday because we would still have to drive 6 hours and we would miss a big cuck of our day. So next week it is.

razuel there are plenty of art-related jobs working for smaller companies in cities other then L.A. and New York. I checked out your sketchbook and that first pic looks really good. Remember all of those big name artist had to start somewhere. I guess you could also think that every day an artist dies somewhere, but everyday a new artist is born to fill their place. There are jobs out there. Advertising agencies have storyboard artists, concept designers, and a couple of other art posistions. Usually the "art" department in a smaller agency is a person or two that handles all the art stuff so you have to be diversified in what you know how to do, and be good at all of it. Arcitecture firms also have people that all they do is illustrate what the finished design will look like. There are technical illustrators that design components and parts for machines and cars and stuff like that. So many things out there.

[ScatteredLogical]

There's also going into business for yourself. Or even just doing a ton of minor contracts for local businesses.

Just like the most successful Flash animators are those who use actual animation knowledge instead of riding the clips/symbols wave by default, if you got a Ringling-ized illustration ability and applied it to small-pond situations, they'd beat down your door to have you doing their work. At least you can bank on that until the Next Big Thing for You comes along...

[razuel]

if you got a Ringling-ized illustration ability and applied it to small-pond situations

What do you mean by that-- small pond situation?

[sula_nebouxi]

I think he means, taking the skill learned at Ringling and using it for smaller projects. Instead of fighting with well-known artists for a job, you work on a lesser-known project in the hopes of someone noticing your work and hiring you. Hey it happened to the guys who made those damn spongemonkeys, and the "Ho-kay...." guy.

[ScatteredLogical]

Local/regional work is never as dominated as hotspot areas. It sounds funny, but while all the big fish (like you in a few years) are chasing after the big fish FOOD, you could go after what there's less of a fight for (because we're all so good at having our eye on that major prize) and waltz in there and blow everyone away.

Nobody at Whereyoulive Family Medical Center is expecting divine levels of talent, and -you- can bring it to them whilst everyone else is concerned with fighting over the same piece of More Obvious and Grandiose Targets! (That might be a bad example, I'm trying to be loftier than Al's Meat Market hehe)...

I wasn't necessarily saying donate your time for experience, I just meant settle for less glory and gloss in the meantime so you can afford to survive as 95% of the crowd kills themselves off tirelessly pursuing saturated market toys, and work your way up...

[CatHicks]

Hey it happened to the guys who made those damn spongemonkeys, and the "Ho-kay...." guy.
Are you serious? That's nuts!

[sula_nebouxi]

Heh yeah...Quiznos hired the guy who made the spongemonkeys "We love tha subs!" and Nike hired the Ho-kay guy "And they're like wtf mate?"

Check it out here:
http://www.nike.com/usa/nikesphere/

[jejuhorse]

Haha! those guys are Hilarious! hehe
I have no clue what those are related with quzinos subs...
but they are funny and that's all it to it :D
Kinda bazzare though...heh

[CatHicks]

I remember watching the spongemonkeys before the sub ads came out.

I never knew about the "End of the World" guy getting commissioned by Nike. That is too awesome. Thanks for that link!

[CalicoRabbit]

Hey all, been lurking about for a while and thought I'd jump on and say that I got in to the CA program too, woohoo.

Anyways, how is everyone's financial aid coming along? Have any tips you'd like to share? I've heard that haggling with fin. aid people will get you more money, is this true?

Also, does anyone know if they announce the name of the presidential award (that is the name right) winner so we can all see their work?

Hope to see you all soon!

-Jonathan

[ScatteredLogical]

Yah, let's all find out who he is so we can tear his work apart /m\ Teasing, of course...

I have my own interesting Ringling news...stay tuned...

[jayneko]

Congrats Calico, and welcome to our troop! :yayca:

Hrm..They SHOULD have sent all the finaid letters last friday..but you never know. Maybe take an extra week or two. Has anyone else gotten finaid letters thus far? And congrats in advance to whoever got the prezzie scholarship! XD

I did start a lill sketchbook to get a bit better before rsad starts. Didnt post any old works there...just because. XD If anyone wants to post a crit and such (please do!), the thread is here:

Jayneko´s Sketchbook of stuff! (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41989)

Danke!

[Jane Radstrom]

I know the presidential and other "merit" award scholarships have all been decided, I was told letters were mailed at the end of last week. I'm not sure when, where and if they make an official announcement though... I know because the financial aid officer quickly scrolled down a list and told me that I didn't get it. :( Sorry, I didn't catch any of the names that were on it!

Oh, and I found out about the overloading question. Patricia in registration told me that you are allowed to take 11 classes per year for the normal tuition, which means you can overload one term. In order to graduate you have to do it once, it's scheduled for your second sophomore semester. As she put it "You could also overload one semester of the other three years, if you were crazy enough".

Aaaand.. I met with Tom Casmer, who is the head of illustration. He told me about some pretty big changes coming down the pipes. He said that they are dropping two of the first year core classes and replacing them with classes within your major. He said each department is deciding what new classes to add or how they want to change their curriculum. He also mentioned that they are adding a painting concentration and minor, which may become a major before too long. Illustration majors are also going to be required to take a graphic design class, instead of it being an elective. It sounded like there was still alot of talk going on, so details of the whole change aren't very final. Seems exciting though! I am not sure if it is going in place next year, or the year after. If you are planning to transfer in, you may want to call and ask how this could effect what credits you need.

Oh, btw, I found out that I was accepted as a sophomore for next year! Wee!

[ScatteredLogical]

YES! A real live transfer! Phew...not that it applies to me, but it's still good to see a genuine miracle...

[jejuhorse]

I still didn't get my fin aid letter yet :(
i guess i'm gonna call them up tomorrow and check what's going on
gotta see if that letter got sent to a wrong address..like last time about my acceptance letter how first one was sent to a different address..
oh well...gotta see what's going on...can't wait till i call them up tomorrow :D

[sula_nebouxi]

Cool, congrats Calico :)

And Velo, I'm sorry to hear that you didn't get the award...you had some awesome stuff! I'm surprised that you didn't. Jeez, now I really have to see these people's work. But, congrats on getting in as a sophmore :) Damn CA and their overcrowding...

*ponders calling financial aid about presidential award winners and bugging them for money*

[ScatteredLogical]

When you stop and think, not having to take a year of a 33 thousand dollar school is a financial reward of its own!

Any other Ring-lingers played around with Maya PLE yet? I am taking my Lightwave knowledge and applying it to what the school and most jobs are using, and it's been a rewarding learning process in just three day's time... (Plus I have some troubleshooting questions and I'm hoping someone will have broke the same things haha)

[jayneko]

I still don´t get how a year would cost more than 28k.. but eh. ;)

Well, I didnt get any prizes so bleah. ;) Gotta pay for college the old fashioned way! n_n

Jeju-Yeah, you should call and bug them. You need to know how much aid you got to make a decision so it´s in their best interest to let ya know. Don´t just ask when the letter will get there. Go ahead and ask how much you got from grants and scholarships and how much you can get!

Scattered- I´ve tried Maya some. I usually work in XSI, but maybe I can help with your questions. :D

[ScatteredLogical]

I was doing Keating housing (since Velo's avoiding freshman year) based on http://www.rsad.edu/pdf/tuitionnfees.pdf which admittedly isn't for 05/06 but I don't have that information...what changes were made?

$31657.88 was the total bill including fees, room, and board...

Still, whether it's 28 or 33 or anywhere in between, if Velo doesn't get awards anything in that range is expensive and thus a hell of a gift...

[Hett15]

Some good news to tell all, before I go down to Sarasota to look for houses this weekend. My wife went to the bank today while I was working to approve us for the student loan, and they said that we would definately get it as long as we got someone to co-sign it for us. I made a quick call to my Dad and he happily agreed to do it (after a little mocking and humor about how he held my fate in his hands.) Thanks Dad. So it looks like Iam ready to get started! Ringling here I come. Yahoooooooooooo!

[jayneko]

Awsome! :) Good news Hett.

I need to bug Ringling´s admissions a little more for a form I need for the visa and for the loan..I hope they can fill it out soon.. @.@

And you´re right Scattered. Damn hidden fees. :E Ah well. XD

[jejuhorse]

that's awesome hett!!
for me i sent an email to the financial aid office friday and she told me that they sent my letter thursday~~hehehe so i think i'll be able to get it by tomorrow!!!!i'm soooo excited..hopefully i'll be able to get some money~heh

oh hett what company did you go for your student loan?
i think i'm also going to have to get private loan if i want to go to Ringling

hmm....i cannot wait for that result to come~!!!

[Pixeldragoon]

When you guys go, try and find a freshman named Ryland Jones. Tell him Justin from MSA says Hi. I dont care if you have to write it on your spleen to remember, please do though. It'll be so funny cause he wont remember me at first =3. I cant wait though.. I am so incredibly lucky to be able to commute there to shave almost 10k of my tuition... When I go there. Not if, but when. *4 years =(*

And I want to win that Pres. Scholarship. I'll stop at nothing until I get it.

[Hett15]

Testing this link. I'll have a slide show up as soon as I can figure out how to work my website....be patient.


[edit: 1am...I have taken down the links because I can't get it to work right. Sorry i will post some images instead.]

[Pixeldragoon]

Well, post em when ya get em!

[Hett15]

http://home.comcast.net/~hett15/image_2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~hett15/image_3.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~hett15/image_4.jpg
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[Hett15]

http://home.comcast.net/~hett15/image_14.jpg
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[Hett15]

http://home.comcast.net/~hett15/image_25.jpg
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http://home.comcast.net/~hett15/image_35.jpg

[dadamafia]

what company did you go for your student loan?
i think i'm also going to have to get private loan if i want to go to Ringling



i was talking to a friend recently about loans and she said its best to get it from the school and not from the bank. there is one specific one from the school she saidd you should get and another you should avoid. im not sure what their names are right now. she said to take it from the school because when you get it from the bank you have to pay it off at all means. when you get it from the school, if you do something good for them, like something that gives them national recognition or such, they can waive the payments for you or some crap like that (so you dont have to pay). dont know if what i said was helpful but i just felt like sharing.

[Hett15]

If you want to see the rest just type in
http://home.comcast.net/~hett15/image_36.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~hett15/image_94.jpg

and replace the number 36 with any number up to 94 ( I took a lot of pictures :) just for all of you )

[dadamafia]

yay!! pictures!!

[jejuhorse]

Very nice :D
Thank you very much for all those good pictures hett :D

Right now i'm so nervous...
I'm waiting for my mailman to come!!
i'm sure i'll get my financial aid letter today!!!! hehehe
today at school my last 6th hour was so painful
i had like anxioty attack lol
my heart is pounding~! XD

[dadamafia]

by the way, did you find time to go to the ringling museum of art? its pretty cool. its so funny to me though that once you go to europe and see their museums that american museums dont seem as awesome. wierd. i appreciate both regardless.

[jejuhorse]

oh thanx dada
yea i'll try to get much money as possible from school
but i'm not sure if i'll do that PLUS loan though..the parent loan thingy

[Hett15]

I think this one looks really cool because it looks like it was taken in 1957 :) it's number 71
http://home.comcast.net/~hett15/image_71.jpg

[Hett15]

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And that's all folks...

I took about 50 more but they were all of apartment interiors and exteriors and stuff. I hope all these pictures don't shut down this thread. I would recommend setting you posts per page to 5 so you don't have to wait for all of them to load every time. Enjoy

By the way we found the place we are going to live in and we signed a lease that is just waiting approval and then we will most likely move in sometime in early July. My student loan got approved, my wife has her final interview for a job this week and everything else is falling into place. Yea Ringling!

for my loan I got a perkins and a stafford loan and then we got a private loan from Bank of America with 5% interest. We haven't finalized it yet, but it has been the best we have seen so far. I want to look into that school loan thing though that dadmafia was talking about.



and this is also the 900 th reply!!!

[jayneko]

Hrm, I didn´t know Rsad offered loans for students.. Any more info on this Dada? :)

And nice stuff Hett! It was worth waiting for it to load. ;) Canñt wait to be there. :D BTW, the loans you´re taking..are you taking a big big one or small ones for each semester? (Stupid question. XD)

[jayneko]

Oh. Forgot to post this.. Not rsad related but...

Sega Fantasy VI (http://www.hcn.zaq.ne.jp/cabic508/rsf/frame1.html)

Just click on new game. Be warned, it´s a big flash file..but definetly worth it if you´re a console geek like me.. :bashful:

[dadamafia]

[IMG]for my loan I got a perkins and a stafford loan and then we got a private loan from Bank of America with 5% interest. We haven't finalized it yet, but it has been the best we have seen so far. I want to look into that school loan thing though that dadmafia was talking about.


when i talk about loans i mean dont go out and get all this crapload of money from the bank or some other loan company. get it from those, i think she said stafford was the one to get (im not sure). im not even sure, let me talk to her again and ill post when im certain cuz i dont wanna misquote her.


by the way, your pics make me anxious to get to ringling. i dont know, i think i have a disease, i cant even focus anymore in school. i think my college gpa might drop at the end of this semester cuz i think i might get a B in my philosophy class. everytime i go to write a paper, i end up either here or on some other art related site. its so sad.

[jayneko]

*Buy lottery tickets* Ah. Guess you mean get fin.aid from the school? ^^;

I can´t. v.v Ah well. And hey, it´s normal Dada. I think. At least it´s happening to me too. ;) All I think of is Rsad now! I hope the average day is as sunny as last weekend, Hett. Looks like you had really good weather there. :) Congrats on the loan and to your wife for the job!

[dadamafia]

just get loans affiliated with the school, thats all... i guess.

[EccoXile]

awesome pictures hett. you guys have no idea how excited im goign to be to see palm treeeesss. im such a dork. and everythings greeen. whilst i sit here and wait no so very patiently for stuff to not look dead.

ugh, i want that fin. letter. i was hoping for today. but ill wait, hopefully tommorow. sometime this week or im calling. my sister got a 1/3 scholarship to milwaukee art school, im hoping i can get something close to that from ringling, or i will whine. :P

[sula_nebouxi]

w00t pics. Thanks Hett :) I particularly like the one where you blurred yourself out and pasted your caricature on top :) hehe. I'm heading down there after Memorial Day so I'll take some pics too. I'll try and get some pics of the dorms and such. I also plan to go to the places you never see pics of on RSAD's website ;) IE, the shared bathrooms in the dorms, the campus post office, and the Burger King across the street heh. I figure pics of those places are just as important ;)

FYI, stafford loans are given by the federal government. First years are lent up to $2000 something per year I think. It increases each year, maxing out at around $5000 per year for juniors and above. If you apply for the Parent PLUS loan and your parents fail a credit check, then your Stafford loan will be increased to a max of $10,000 or something for junior/senior year. I think there's a max to how much you can borrow though. Exhaust all your federal loan options before going to banks or private loan places. The interest rates are much better. Usually they're like 2-3%. I think mine was 2.6% when I took out a bit for Rutgers.

[jejuhorse]

ah thanks for the info sula
i got my financial aid letter today...but not so satisfied
i didn't get any grants cause i'm not eligible...argh >:(
i'm going to get the stanfford loan which is like 2,625 and after that i'm probably going to go to the bank and get a ton of money....
now i started to get very stressful thinking myself of being debt a whole lot...not good...i'm going to try to find a way so when i graduate i won't be so much in debt..probably during summer vacation i'm going to try to work full time and even do the work study thingy...whole well...this is what i really want to do so i'm going to risk everything..hope this will pay off

[jayneko]

Hey Andoo, and congrats! :) Be sure to keep in touch! And yeah, it´ll be great working with all you guys in four years. Good luck up there eh? :D

[ScatteredLogical]

by the way, did you find time to go to the ringling museum of art? its pretty cool. its so funny to me though that once you go to europe and see their museums that american museums dont seem as awesome. wierd. i appreciate both regardless.

It seems like up until the turn of the 20th century all of the really good stuff -came- from other places...So maybe it was "I feel I've seen this before" because it took us so long to get on our feet with unique styles....

[sula_nebouxi]

w00t Andoo! Congrats to ya. :) We knew you could do it ;) Yeah...we'll be 3000 miles away but, meh...there's always CA.org and AIM/Trillian/whatever :P Good luck bud, Ganbatte kudasai :P or...Do your best heh. See ya round :)

[Hett15]

Happy and at the same time a little sorry to hear that andoo. we'll miss you (sort of?) Good luck.

Cat any word yet about your decision?

[ScatteredLogical]

I'm not sorry at all. After a wooden but uplifting mini-essay, they outline some of his classes... It sounds a lot more sincere than most schools, and the only thing it really loses is the well-roundedness of a true liberal arts degree -- but they're accredited as a career school anyhow, so I wouldn't expect that of them.

Here's where you can read it. I have a feeling Andoo + DigiPen = great things.
http://www.digipen.edu/programs/degrees/pa.html

[Hett15]

how many of you got his email? Sounds cool. I kind of wan to do the visual development minor or maybe the game art and design. I'll have my liberal arts already done and some art histories so i might have room for one.



Introducing Hot New Minors and Concentrations at Ringling School of Art and Design!

Immerse yourself in an exceptional education at Ringling School and be among the first to benefit from the latest fields in art and design with new minors and concentrations beginning in the fall of 2005.

Five-course minors will provide a major way to align your future with multiple career opportunities and three-course concentration sequences will broaden the horizons open to you. They help you to pursue in-depth studies in exciting specializations to complement your major. By pursuing a minor or concentration, you will expand your skills and knowledge, diversify your portfolio, and, in many cases, prepare for additional career options.

Visual Development

[Minor and concentration]

Visual Development is one emerging art approach that prepares you for a variety of exciting jobs like Art Director, Concept Artist or Story Artist in an animation or game design studio. You will learn to design characters, environments, and storyboards, which will culminate in final animatics that showcase your knowledge of acting, timing, movement, lighting, and more. These vital pre-production skills are essential building blocks for animation and a required foundation for the concept artist or game designer.

Courses:

Filmic Language and Visual Storytelling

Character and Environment I

Storyboarding

Character and Environment II

Animatics



Business of Art and Design

[Minor and concentration]

In today’s economy, art and design is big business. Really big business. No one knows this better than Ringling School of Art and Design. As a complement to your studio-based studies, the Business of Art and Design minor and concentration will provide you with the business knowledge and skills to thrive as a practicing professional. The curriculum focuses on career paths, marketing and communications, business plans, finance, and the ethics and social responsibility of business. You will work on projects applied to actual business operations with an emphasis on the global marketplace of the Internet.

Courses:

Business of Art and Design I: Survey

Business of Art and Design II: Intro to Web Development

Business of Art and Design III: Entrepreneurship

Business of Art and Design IV: Advanced Web Development

Business of Art and Design V: Marketing and Management



Game Art and Design

[Minor available to Computer Animation majors]

On average, half of Ringling School’s Computer Animation alumni are working in gaming – a multi-billion dollar global industry. This fall, Computer Animation majors will have the option of targeting their demo reels and portfolios to this 10-billion dollar business. You will explore the challenges of creating visual art for gaming audiences and develop a game-based senior thesis as an entry into the world of interactive entertainment.

Courses:

Rules of the Game: Game Design Fundamentals

Games and Society

Concept Development for Games

3D for Games I

3D for Games II



Don’t miss your opportunity to study among the best and brightest in the nation!



Ringling School of Art and Design

2700 North Tamiami Trail

Sarasota, FL 34234-5895

Phone: 1.800.255.7695 [toll-free U.S. only]

email: admissions@ringling.edu

web: www.ringling.edu/

[Hett15]

updated tally
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GOT IN
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CatHicks (CA)
CalicoRabbit (CA)
Father McKenzie (CA)
Hett15 (CA)
JAIR428 (CA)
Jayneko (CA)
jejuhorse (CA)
the horror (CA)
hunter (CA)
Sula_Nebouxi (CA)
kgb (CA)
Avelena (Illustration)
Dadmafia (Illustration)
EccoXile (Illustration)
LeeAlex2005 (Illustration)
RSADHopeful (Illustration)
Red Rock (Illustration)
Velo (Illustration)
WayoftheStrega (Illustration)
Precollege Rob (CA)
Precollege Kendra (Ca)
Precollege Cassie (Photography)
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andoo45 (off to Digi Pen! Congrats!)
scattered_logical (holding on for CA)

ScatteredLogical what's the latest update? Have you heard whether or not you are getting closer to the top of the list? No offense to Andoo, but that is one more spot up the list for you since he is now going to digipen (we wish him good luck).

[jayneko]

I guess Ringling doesn´t offer any summer semesters so people can squeeze a minor in there without going insane for one school year?

Hrm.. One CAN slowly complete the minor during the 8 semesters eh? Say, take an extra class each semester for five semesters? n_n

[sula_nebouxi]

Yeah...I got that email yesterday. I'm not really sure if I want to minor in something right now. Although visual dev. looks interesting. I have most of my liberal arts taken care of and some of my studio courses, so I definetly have the time...so, for the moment, I'm leaning towards yes :)

And Jay, I'm not too sure overloading 5 or 6 semesters is a good idea. Especially in CA. It's bad enough as is ;) Don't need more work piled on heh. Hopefully some of your past courses will transfer over...that might let you take on a minor.

[EccoXile]

i got that too. im really interested in the vis. development as well...but that probably wouldnt be a smart idea....seeing as i have no previous credits and have to take alll the classes. gah, i wish ringling took ap credit.

so i got my financial letter finally....not what i expected. My teacher was rather disappointed, to say the least. But hes still pushing me to do whatever it takes to get there, be it drown myself in loans.Im soo excited...*dies*

[Pixeldragoon]

Miscellaneous post- Just want to say thanks to Hett for compiling that list, despite the fact I'm not on it, but still, it must hjave taken patience reading all the reaplies.

[ScatteredLogical]

Nah, cutthroat is talking indecisive people out of the school you want - I saw no such persuasion from you :D

[Hett15]

This is just some usefull and interseting info some of us might like to read about.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/rsad_freshman/

(posted by amarieundomiel)

As a CA major, you can't minor in visual devlopment. apparantly you get all the skills of that minor in the CA program.
Next year's incoming freshmen only take one semester of figure drawing. Spring semester, you get to take traditional Animation I. However, you get the second-grade drawing tables :-P
To compensate for less figure drawing, you'll have 2 Drawing for Animators classes during your curriculum.

(posted by kendraad)
Here's the real scoop: (from Jim McCampbell )

We are in the process of re-organizing the first year experience. The
first step in the process is to enable Freshmen to have an experience
in
the major, and to add an Open Elective so that there are enough (5) to
take a minor if desired. In doing this, it was necessary to temporarily
remove one of the figure classes. That being said, you could still take
that figure class as an elective if you wanted to. There are other
drawing courses available as an elective too. The goal here is to
create
flexibility and options for the students.

Traditional Animation will be started in the Spring of the Freshman
year
now. The reference to the "second grade" tables is not entirely
correct.
First of all, we have not designated which labs these classes will run
in yet. Second, the reference is to the lab that does not have the
desks
we received from Disney Feature Animation in Orlando. Although these
are
indeed nice desks, I can guarantee you that it is the instruction (not
the furniture) that will provide you with an excellent animation
education. The instructors are all first-rate ex-Disney professionals,
and the desks in the "second rate" traditional lab have taught some of
the most famous and successful animators in the business.

Now... let's talk about Drawing For Animators. The purpose of the
current DFA course is to teach students about character and environment
design. It always seems that just as they are getting good at it, the
course is over. Our idea is to create a second DFA course that
parallels
the Animation Preproduction course (the one where students come up with
the idea for their Senior thesis project). That way, students can work
on their ideas, storyboards and animatics in the Prepro class while at
the same time they are working on the visual development aspects for
that project (character designs and environments) in their Drawing For
Animators2 class. The creation of DFA2 is not related to the removal of
one figure class in Core.

As you can see, there is a larger plan in place here. Minors,
flexibility, additional electives, specialized drawing classes... all
of
the positives will far outweigh the lack of one singe figure course in
the Freshman year, and there are usually elective alternatives if you
feel that you would be best served by that path.

Thanks,

Jim."

I guess my thoughts about getting a viz dev minor just went out the window since it is covered in the CA program. Maybe I can retake courses to get stronger in it through electives. Or maybe I'll do the game design thing.

[ScatteredLogical]

The purpose of the current DFA course is to teach students about character and environment design. It always seems that just as they are getting good at it, the course is over. Our idea is to create a second DFA course that parallels the Animation Preproduction course (the one where students come up with the idea for their Senior thesis project). That way, students can work on their ideas, storyboards and animatics in the Prepro class while at the same time they are working on the visual development aspects for that project in their Drawing For Animators2 class. Well played, private art school, well played indeed. *fiddles with imaginary mustache*

[Pixeldragoon]

*Laff at Logical*

[CatHicks]

Wow. Well, I guess if everything is covered in CA then there is no point in a minor in VisDev. Oh well. lol.

[sula_nebouxi]

Cat, you should see my face right now...heh, I'm sure you'll get a kick out of it. I'm gonna post a pic up on my LJ soon. Needless to say...I had an...interesting day at Rutgers.

ooh the suspense...dun dun dunnnn

edit: it's up...check my sig to see my...uh...facejob.

[WayOfTheStrega]

Hey, guys and gals! I've been lurking around here for a while, just kinda waiting for a response from Ringling. Well, after a long, drawn out wait, with a battle over something that was amissin', I got a call today from the admissions office. I've been accepted into the school for Illustration. I'm excited, and I'm currently doing the happy dance.

So now, I will probably see some of you around campus come August. :) YAY!

-Strega a.d.

[Pixeldragoon]

Congrats! I soooo Can't wait for freakin college, a'specially if I go to Ringling!

[EccoXile]

Lurker!!! We thought you vanished. But awesome and congrats, should be seeing ya this fall :) woot.

Gah, gahh. I sent fin aid an email, thinking thats what they like according to the letter I got, but no reply yet. I hope they didnt delete me, or I shall smite. Unless their office is open on weekends...i shall look into this. Im never home during their weekday office hours > <

[kgb]

Hello everyone,
I have decided to go for CA, I wrote previously that it was a toss up between illustration and CA. I am really looking forward to meeting all of you and have fun and stuggle through projects for next 4 years. Now is it august yet?

[sula_nebouxi]

w00t! Congrats Strega. Welcome to the pack.

And kgb, good to hear that you'll be joining us in CA :) It'll be a long hard trek so, the more the merrier :).

Oooh....so basically 1/9th of all accepted students posted here...wow...impressive turnout.

[ScatteredLogical]

That's enough to be a faction...a computer animation syndicate...Muahaha

[Hett15]

Let's get those pictures in people...especially all you newer people that are getting in. Send me a pic of yourself to add to the Ringling group.

[ edit: moved to the RSAD group sketchbook ]

[Hett15]

WayoftheStrega and KGB get me something now that you know you are in. Congrats too.

[WayOfTheStrega]

WayoftheStrega and KGB get me something now that you know you are in. Congrats too.

I shall work on it. :) And thanks everyone for the congrats. I'm definently lookin' forward to attending Ringling this fall.

Strega a.d.

[CatHicks]

I love how the collage is turning out.

[ScatteredLogical]

Very polished, Cat. Really stands out with the construction and shading...

[EccoXile]

okay, i actually think i have...no, wait.no. wait...maybe i do. About how big do you want it hett? I dont think I have anything more than 600 unless i really dig....or find the motivation to make something new....eh heh. I could of course, fidn something of my character thats not so yay im going to ringling...or yay i can hodl a paintbrush. blehhhhhhhhh, no.

So how many of you people have a tablet ? :P

[Pixeldragoon]

I don't =(

Wish I did. Anyways, uh.. Hett... It's Dragoon... heh... *ahem*...

[razuel]

"-To be eligible for the Presidential scholarship(all expenses paid) you must complete your application and submit your FAFSA by March 1st. It goes to one person from each major and depends on your entrance portfolio. It only goes to the best."

What's a FAFSA?

[jayneko]

Free Application for Federal Student Aid.
http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/
Only citizens and perm. residents are able to get any federal aid though.

[ScatteredLogical]

Didn't someone say before March 1st didn't apply to CAs?

Oh, and I have a Wacom intuos2 6x8. Next to my actual lightbox it's probably the only other thing I'm taking to Heaven with me -- scratch that, they probably have an infinite number in stock <3

[Hett15]

Hey people let's get a art thread started over in the sketchbook section. Just art and comments related to the art (and a little banter :) ) You can show off stuff you submitted in your portfolio or show off anything new you have created. I'll start it using the group collage (which I will still add anyone's picture to even if you aren't going to Ringling this year. If you have participated or even lurked on this thread and you are too shy to say much send me an email with your pic attached and put concept art or Ringling in the subject so I don't trash it.

:right: :right: Ringling Group Sketchbook (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42756) :left: :left:

[razuel]

Free Application for Federal Student Aid.
http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/
Only citizens and perm. residents are able to get any federal aid though.


So I wouldn't be eligable for the presidential scholarship if i live out of state?

[sula_nebouxi]

Of course you can, razuel. Jay means people living outside the US don't receive any aid or scholarships. It doesn't matter where in the US you live, you can qualify for the pres scholarship.

[CatHicks]

Awesome idea with the Ringling Sketchbook Hett! I'll have to add some things in there later tonight.

[dadamafia]

i got my first post in at the sketchbook thread. at least i did something for a change.

[dadamafia]

whats the ringling thread like over in livejournal?

[sula_nebouxi]

Just posted there too...little something I did last night.

The Ringling livejournal? Well...the guy who runs it likes to delete posts that are freshman related. Says they clutter up the journal...it's not like they get 100 threads a day...

[jejuhorse]

I would like to post some up but i don't have a scanner...:(
should i just digital photograph it?
my digital camera sux though..:( hehe

[jayneko]

Sure. :) It's better than nothing!

Take the shot straight on, and try to have the flash off so it's not all shiny afterwards. Have some nice flat lighting on it and it should be good enough!

[dadamafia]

@sula- so do u prefer posting in this thread over the other?

[sula_nebouxi]

Oh I definetly like posting here more heh. At least here, I know everyone ;)

[Hett15]

I got another email today!!!!



Dear Hett,

I have even more good news to report about Ringling's School's animation program. Electronic Arts,
the world's leading producer of video games, has made 27 offers of employment to Ringling
students. This includes 10 guaranteed internships a year. Ringling is the only undergraduate
program recognized in this manner by EA. In addition to these fantastic opportunities, EA presented
us with a check for $50,000 to help provide scholarship opportunities for future students.

As you may already know, 50% of Ringling's Computer Animation graduates go into the gaming
industry. Our new minor in Game Art and Design will serve as a re-enforcement to the already
incredibly successful Computer Animation curriculum, a curriculum recognized as the "gold
standard" by the animation industry.

If you have not already visited the Ringling campus, I invite you to do so at your convenience. We
would love to show you our world class animation facility along with the rest of our beautiful campus.
As always, if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Sincerely,


Jim Dean, Dean of Admissions

[CatHicks]

Hett that email gave me chills. I'm such a nerd.

And I'm not even going into gaming.


Anyway, the Ringling lj is pretty cool. The guy who's in charge is a total dick though. But I'm bias in that opinion because of a personal experience.

[jayneko]

Hehe, you beat me to posting that, Hett. ;)

Cool huh? One more reason to be excited about Rsad. Although yeah, I'm more focused on going into the movie biz but.. a job's a job! ;)

I was kind of hoping it would have been info on my visa when I saw "You have received and email from J. Dean." Guess I'll just have to call tomorrow. :P

[ScatteredLogical]

Ringling is the only undergraduate
program recognized in this manner by EA.

I wouldn't throw the UCF/EA hybrid curriculum out of question.

...the already
incredibly successful Computer Animation curriculum, a curriculum recognized as the "gold
standard" by the animation industry.

The? Not even the professional courtesy of a tie? I think the localized PR has gotten to him. It may in fact be the best but there are so many people who'd find that arguable in the face of the other major players I'm surprised he's confident enough to say that.

[Hett15]

I wouldn't throw the UCF/EA hybrid curriculum out of question.

The? Not even the professional courtesy of a tie? I think the localized PR has gotten to him. It may in fact be the best but there are so many people who'd find that arguable in the face of the other major players I'm surprised he's confident enough to say that.

Relax Scattered. He knows he's hyping it. We know he's hyping it and EA knows it too, but in the end the point of the email is a posistive one. EA games is showing interest in the school and thinks highly of it. We don't need to over analyze this. It was sent to incoming Ringling students that are excited about any news they can get from the school. Not very many others will proabably ever see it and so it probably won't generate much debate. if he thinks Ringling is the best...good for him. It's his opinion. I am the best editor on my half of my office. It could be argued, but It's my opinon.

my point being... chill. It is a cool thing to think about for incoming students that might want to get into gaming animation. "best" is a subjective word and we should all take it as one, but it's just an email in the end, let it go.


p.s. and dang it when are you sending me your caricature?

[GBmoomoo]

Hey,
new member. I am currently attending Stetson University but I hate it here. I attended Ringling's PreCollege in 2003 & will be waiting and working my butt off until I get there. This is my only chance now to pursue my dream.

anywho... i havent really produced any art this past year that i would even show my mom...its all crap...or it doesnt exist actually... but there are a few drawings i did. i dont know how to imbed them in the post yet so check it out @ Deviantart: visionless... (http://gbmoomoo.deviantart.com)
holla back!

[ScatteredLogical]

Relax Scattered. We don't need to over analyze this. It's his opinion. I am the best editor on my half of my office. It could be argued, but It's my opinon. my point being... chill. ... it's just an email in the end, let it go.

I wasn't piecing anything apart, and relaxation and chilling couldn't be further from being necessary. This is another case of the online lack of intonation miscommunicating things. Plus I never word things right for this forum =) I simply thought it was interesting, It's not as if I was trying to blow up his spot or anything; I don't have the proper credibility or perspective to do that, and I'm never a person who talks about what they don't know about.

Besides, even if EA offered that to every school in the U.S. everyone here knows where Joe Student would get the creme of the crop version of it. No need to be defensive or over-react, I have nothing but respect for the school. Think of it more like I had read it as a newspaper article, and I was mumbling to myself. It happens. Incidentally, how he feels is an opinion but the exclusion of other schools who participate in similar programs deals with fact. Just as valuable to incoming students could be that there is, for example, another SIMILAR (not exactly the same) program/concept going on at a nearby, cheaper school. When Cat was offered the decision of SCAD or RSAD, she essentially had the same choice to make -- save bunches of money thanks to that scholarship and get something close or hit it full on and go for broke (no Academy Awards pun intended) getting the Real McCoy. But it's dropped now. I hope your day got better since.

No movement on the wait list so far. If I become full-fledged, I'll send one but right now the only thing that would make sense would be 50% opacity lol

[sula_nebouxi]

Well...PixelDragoon's got one in the collage and it'll be 3 more years till he can even apply. It's open to all who applied whether or not they got in ;)

[Hett15]

I wasn't piecing anything apart, and relaxation and chilling couldn't be further from being necessary. This is another case of the online lack of intonation miscommunicating things.

No movement on the wait list so far. If I become full-fledged, I'll send one but right now the only thing that would make sense would be 50% opacity lol

No sweat I wasn't trying to get down on you either. I was just keeping this thread on track. No harm no foul my man. You are as chill as they come :teeth: .

but seriously man! Get me the freaking caricature! I want it by yesterday! 50% opacity would be just as funny. It is a collage of people on his thread, not just fully accepted Ringling students.

[Avelena]

Well, I finally got my tablet back so I might actually be able to get you something for the collage eventually...y'know, when I get ungrounded from the computer.

[supernova_7]

Hey everyone,

I'm a newbie on ca.org, but I love this thread you've got going!

A little about me: I'm a double major in Art Studio and Computer Science ( How bout that combo! :) ) at the Univ of MD, College Park. I just started in on the art side of things this year, so I DEFINITELY feel your pain about developing portfolio work. I'm workin toward the computer animation field...not sure where specifically - film, tv, gaming, etc - I'll leave that decision for a time when I have more experience.

Basically I'm gonna need an MA or some kind of graduate work to get a job cuz I got such a late start. I'm looking for good graduate art programs... Academy of Art is high up there, and I agree that Ringling looks awesome. Does the admissions/portfolio info on here apply to their Grad program as well? Or does anyone have inside info on the grad side of things?

Very curious,
-supernova7

ps. Any crits you have on my portfolio at http://supernova7.deviantArt.com are MORE than welcome!

[Hett15]

Sorry to say, but I am pretty sure Ringling doesn't have any kind of graduate school...yet. Just B.F.A.'s. I already have a B.S. degree in business and I am having to start over as a freshman in computer animation, but it really doesn't matter what letters are on your degree. Just get a good education and in the end have a good portfolio... that will get you a job.

[ScatteredLogical]

Florida Atlantic University is in Boca Raton and they have a MFA in "Computer Arts in Animation." The few times I've been able to find graduated students they're employed and did well while they were at the school. It's an option!

And if it's for threadfolk, you'll get your caricature tonight!

[CatHicks]

Sorry to say, but I am pretty sure Ringling doesn't have any kind of graduate school...yet. Just B.F.A.'s. I already have a B.S. degree in business and I am having to start over as a freshman in computer animation, but it really doesn't matter what letters are on your degree. Just get a good education and in the end have a good portfolio... that will get you a job.


Really? I could have sworn Ringling offered MFA's in some things.

[Hett15]

Awhile ago I talked with someone at the school becuase I thought I might be able to do the b.f.a. track and get and m.f.a. by taking a few extra classes. the program is so intensive already that there really isn't enough room to get an m.f.a. though and you should be well prepared to get your first job upon graduation anyways. I do not know anything for sure about the other programs, but last I checked Ringling was not accreditted to give out m.f.a.'s yet. Whether or not it is something they are working on, I don't know.

[Hett15]

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[ScatteredLogical]

haha Am I a ghost? Or drawing myself in? Either way I like the additions, especially the noodle-shoulder...

And you -can- be ready at school's end for work, at least as ready "enough" as you're gonna get. After all, there's a proven history of it.

I can personally recommend the MFA at Carnegie-Mellon for animators. You'd have to live in PA, but worse things could happen =)

[OneYouCannotMention]

No MFA program at Ringling.

As for the "gold standard" comment I would say that the program really is when it comes to 3D animation BFA programs and it out shine many MFA programs as well. Name a major animation company or game company and they were on campus in the last month recruiting and hiring CA grads. Companies like Pixar, Dreamworks, Sony Imageworks, Blue Sky, EA, Activision, ReelFX just to name a few and there are more coming.

The industry is hot right now and hopefully it will stay that way.

OYCM

[Pixeldragoon]

I've a feeling that it will. I mean, traditional animation has been around for what- 70 years now?

[ScatteredLogical]

OYCM, how do you see the doubled class size affecting recruiting? With the curriculum as an invariable constant, will the proportions stay the same and thus double the number of competent graduates able to be recruited/hired? Did they ever say what was the impetus behind that decision?

Also, and this goes to everyone, we're always told as students how important connections are. Not that animation is on a "good ol' boy" system, just that it's good to have someone already on the inside to vouch for the authenticity of your talents. In what particular ways does a school get that addressed? Or in the case of recruitment, is it enough to have the knowledge that the students are worth their salt at a curriculum of RSAD's stature, effectively replacing the need for that part of the "reel/personality-and-attitude/connections" triumvirate? It honestly never occured to me with all these schools having companies come hire kids just what role the school plays in building bridges into the industry before and after...and what of those who don't immediately get snapped up. Still opportunities for them as far as getting to know people and get their names out? Or is it an individual effort to self-promote with no school assistance whatsoever... (This is all still in the context of Ringling, by the way, so as to better understand the goings-on)

P.S. Just for fun, I took the challenge and without looking the first company in my head was Activision. Bam, on the list!

[ScatteredLogical]

As an aside, Pixar seems to eat Ringling people up by the spoonful. I don't remember if it was here or on another site, but the character animation spot (and the current animation internship spot) on the job listings at their site always says computer animation experience helpful, but not necessary, instead leading with a request for experience in classical/traditional animation. In accordance with that, how much of any given CA majors' reel includes traditional work? Can they do traditional as their thesis or as a part of it? Is what's included, if any, from those two traditional classes in the curriculum, or usually more out-of-class? Or are they so good that the traditional is evident by their CA enough to satisfy Pixar, thereby eliminating the need for them to prove their skills on paper?

hehe I stay quiet for how long, and boom all these questions to make up for it.

[OneYouCannotMention]

OYCM, how do you see the doubled class size affecting recruiting? With the curriculum as an invariable constant, will the proportions stay the same and thus double the number of competent graduates able to be recruited/hired?

Though we are starting with twice the number we won't end with twice the number the class size never ends up being a full size so if we are doubling the intake the drop or fail rate should be the same.

And actually I see the potential for having a larger cream of the crop on average with the larger class size because people who wouldn't have gotten in usually but have good technical skills will be getting a chance to strength artistic side.


Did they ever say what was the impetus behind that decision?

If you are talking about why we are going larger it is because the school as a whole is trying to grow, we have more space now, we always have the applicants, so now we doing our part.

Also, and this goes to everyone, we're always told as students how important connections are. Not that animation is on a "good ol' boy" system, just that it's good to have someone already on the inside to vouch for the authenticity of your talents. In what particular ways does a school get that addressed? Or in the case of recruitment, is it enough to have the knowledge that the students are worth their salt at a curriculum of RSAD's stature, effectively replacing the need for that part of the "reel/personality-and-attitude/connections" triumvirate?

Though the program has a great reputation in the industy a student needs to their worth/talent on their demo reel. The name might get you noticed more but you have to back it up with great work. We will help you get that great work but we can only do so much.

...and what of those who don't immediately get snapped up. Still opportunities for them as far as getting to know people and get their names out? Or is it an individual effort to self-promote with no school assistance whatsoever... (This is all still in the context of Ringling, by the way, so as to better understand the goings-on)

Unfortunately not all students leave with a job, many do but not all. But the school has a great Career Services and they post job opening as they come up so alumni can always look into there but after a certain point that student needs to do their homework find more companies and come to the conclusion that they make to get a job at a place that was on thier A-list and go for the B or C-list.

[OneYouCannotMention]

As an aside, Pixar seems to eat Ringling people up by the spoonful.

I wish that was true but Pixar can pick and choose from anyone in the world so the competition to get in is huge especially if you are a new graduate fighting againt a world of experienced animators. Last year we had one Pixar hire and one Pixar summer internship; not quite sure what the numbers are this year, too soon to tell.


how much of any given CA majors' reel includes traditional work?

It depends on the student, some do some don't, it depends on how good they were. It is a demo reel so you only want to put your best stuff on it


Can they do traditional as their thesis or as a part of it?

Some have tried with varying success but it's not easy. You really need to plan ahead because it's really twice the work.


Is what's included, if any, from those two traditional classes in the curriculum, or usually more out-of-class? Or are they so good that the traditional is evident by their CA enough to satisfy Pixar, thereby eliminating the need for them to prove their skills on paper?

Not quite sure what you are asking but everyone wants to see a traditional portfolio along with your demo reel. You have so show you can think, draw, compose on paper. Everyone wants a well-rounded artist and the program does it's best to get you there.

[ScatteredLogical]

OYCM, thanks for all the info. For that last question I mean traditional animation classes. I am asking, for the people including traditional animation on their reels, does that animation usually come from the two trad anim classes Ringling offers, or do they do it on their own time? It was connecting back to my earlier comment about Pixar desiring traditional skills, and yet Pixar keeps going after CA people at schools (whose traditional background is at varying levels of existence, sometimes only evident in the CGI animation they produce).

And in the first post I wasn't speaking of reputation so much as genuine connections to the industry. It's already been made clear that studios only care about the school name on your resume to become familiar with -how- you were trained thus far: you don't go to Ringling at 33 thousand for a name, you do it for the good education. I meant assuming someone doesn't get recruited, is the burden of finding industry connections on the RSAD student, RSAD, or shared? That is, that not-right-away kids might still get in somewhere with the help of the ever-important (as far as we're generally told) "someone who knows you and what you can do that already has a job in the industry." Are there opportunities while someone's at the school for them to reach out to folks like that and vice versa, or is it the same as if they weren't at school, and they must make those connections for themselves?

BTW I am genuinely curiuous and I think this is relevant to this thread but someone tell me to stop if I should take it elsewhere. Now that I've clarified I should be done anyhow.

[Sojo7]

Hi guys. I've been on these forums admiring your insane talent for quite a while. So I finally decided to register and let you guys know I too will be going to RSAD this fall as a CA. Congrats to you all! Amazing work you guys have. Can't wait to meet everybody and get started. :}

[OneYouCannotMention]

I am asking, for the people including traditional animation on their reels, does that animation usually come from the two trad anim classes Ringling offers, or do they do it on their own time?

I think for most people if they include traditional animation it's from the traditional classes they take as part of the CA program. Spare time is a stranger to a CA major.


I meant assuming someone doesn't get recruited, is the burden of finding industry connections on the RSAD student, RSAD, or shared? Are there opportunities while someone's at the school for them to reach out to folks like that and vice versa, or is it the same as if they weren't at school, and they must make those connections for themselves?

The program does it's job by giving you the best education possible, the school does it's part by providing a great Career Services department that always has a current job board, schedules companies to come in and tries to make even more industry connects but either is a guarentee that you will walk out of here with a job. The student needs to do their job and do the very best work possible, react a great porfolio and present yourself as someone that a company would want to hire.

But yes once you leave you will always be an alumni and those opportunities and the Career Services database is always open to you but no one is going to pick up the phone for you and say please hire this person.

The great thing is that we now have so many Ringling CA grads out there that if you keep your eyes and ears open and interact with upper classmen while you are here you are going to know so many people all over the industry and that's going to make your opportunities even bigger because even though their company may not be hiring they may know a friend working elsewhere who's company is and so on and so on.

Does that clears things up?

OYCM

[ScatteredLogical]

The great thing is that we now have so many Ringling CA grads out there that if you keep your eyes and ears open and interact with upper classmen while you are here you are going to know so many people all over the industry and that's going to make your opportunities even bigger because even though their company may not be hiring they may know a friend working elsewhere who's company is and so on and so on.

Now that's the kind of good point I'm looking for. Thanks for all the info.

It's funny, I was reading this alum guy's page who just got out a few years back, and he said everyone was "locked away" in the labs...for 25 hours a week. Kind of at odds with the 80-100 we hear about from this and last year's folk...Must be really rolling with the changes! Either that or he was projecting his own lack of dedication on the other classmen.

[GBmoomoo]

just to let you guys know, i visited ringling this weekend. it's a go! i just need to finalize everything...grades, admissions, fyi.

[jejuhorse]

cool GB!
did you take any picture?
if ya did can you post some?thanx :teeth:
i didn't visit Ringling yet well not gonna till i attend
but i'm sure it's beatiful down there :)

[sula_nebouxi]

Heh 25 hours a week? Oh man...I wonder if the number of hours people put in increases year by year to compete with the new guys heh.

And...here's a little update about my situation...my brother and I talked about getting a loan from a private institution, like a bank or Sallie Mae. I think he might cosign for me :) yay! Gotta push him harder so he'll actually do it ;) Eight ball says: all signs point to yes! Just gotta get this money by july...bleh.

Next two weeks will be absolute hell for me...finals week...and saying bye to all the friends I've made this semester. School won't be the same without them :) Yup...it's rough. *waves to all my acting class buddies* Only 2 more weeks...*sniffle*...

edit:we're closing in on 1000 posts...wow...this thread has surpassed all my wildest imaginations. Let's catch up to that Sheridan thread ;) hehe

[Hett15]

My wife has her interview tomorrow so we are driving down there tonight. I might even get to go by Ringling again. I wonder if I can sit in on a class while she is at her interview. If it goes well we are locked in on Sarasota and our lives will get really exciting really soon!

and let's go people have a little pride in your school. we have to surpass the sheridan thread! :)

[ScatteredLogical]

There's the solution right there. Just sit in on -every- class. Save yourself the money </kidding>

[sandgrain]

As soon as someone invents an affordable cloaking device, that is exactly what I intend to do if I don't get accepted. :^^;:

[Hett15]

Dear Hett,

Here's even more good news concerning Ringling School's Computer Animation program. This,
along with the other news I have sent to you, sets the stage for an even more remarkable future for
Ringling School and its talented students.

Ringling School of Art and Design has been selected by Sony Pictures
Imageworks to participate in the newly created Imageworks Professional
Academic Excellence program (IPAX). The program designed by Imageworks
is intended to build stronger relationships with academia and to
nurture and grow future generations of digital talent.

Imageworks senior executives and staff will provide the faculty of IPAX
member schools with the opportunity to attend in-house training programs
and experience a real world production environment, so they may return
with valuable production knowledge and skills to the classroom. The
program is designed to offer a yearly review of curricula to ensure
the incorporation of the latest developments in technology and
techniques used not only at Imageworks but throughout the visual effects
and digital animation industry.

I will, of course, keep you informed of other developments as they are announced.

Sincerely,

Jim Dean

Dean of Admissions

[ScatteredLogical]

Sandgrain > What's your major? I'm assuming not CA unless you're on the waitlist..

[Hett15]

I think this means that our tuition will be going up to keep up with the latest in technology. Thanks Sony. :) Do you think they will help foot the bill?

[ScatteredLogical]

Not only that, Hett... on a Google search faculty from member schools got to see a special screening of Kung Fu Hustle...wonders never cease lol

[ScatteredLogical]

I honestly think this is a very healthy development. For the longest time studios have recognized the so-called 'generalizaton' and focus on theory going on at school, that doesn't prepare them for actual work in the field. On the art end, they worry more about mechanics than performance, and there's almost nothing on the production ends at most schools. Now they'll get a taste of the environments in which they'll work. It will benefit both sides to have kids popping out with an understanding what an actual "day in the life" will look like for them, and help them in their career decision-making process.

Way to step up.

[sandgrain]

Sandgrain > What's your major? I'm assuming not CA unless you're on the waitlist..

I don't currently attend Ringling. I'm not on the waitlist (yet). I plan to build my creds before even applying to the school. I would go for something along the lines of Illustration. I'll cross that road when I get to it, though. I'm excited and hopeful, but realistically, It'll be a few years.

[ScatteredLogical]

Since we're (this post included) exceptionally close to 1000, might I suggest reserving that spot for sula? I think it'd be appropriate to mark the great milestone of his own thread.

[jejuhorse]

Hey all :D
welp here is my update

Well i just got my e mail from campus door that my co-signer's credit has been approved!!!yey! so now they are gonna contact Ringling and i'll be able to go!!hehehe

well i already sent in my acceptance of admission offer so....I'M IN!! : :bashful: I can't wait!!

oh and i'm doing that AMS plan..and i'm gonna do work study hehe
wow...when i get there i'm gonna be sooooo busy!
oh well it's all worth it hehe

And i'm definately gonna do that FEWS club..gotta build up my figure drawing skill :)

[ScatteredLogical]

Sets up for the volley, and...

[sula_nebouxi]

1000 w00t :)

Thanks everyone for sticking around so long...can you believe it? 1000 posts...and almost a whole year has passed since I started this thread. It really does seem like I started this monster only yesterday. Before we know it, we'll be at Ringling, then at commencement, then...the wild blue yonder. Time does fly, no? In that time, I've watched everyone grow as an artist and help each other as much as they could. It really was a sight to see :) Here's to our continued effort to help each other and lend a hand in the years to come. :vodkamachine:

PS. Oh and thanks for waiting for me :P

[jayneko]

Post 1000 and ONE! HAH! :tihi:

Congrats Sula. :D And yeah, thanks to everyone here! I doubt I'd have gotten in if I hadn't found this place first! :yayca:

[Hett15]

Yeah! 1000+2

This has been a great thread. I am also glad that we (Sula) got this started. It was funny for me because I was doing exactly what Sula was doing collecting info from the first thread and I was getting ready to make the new 2005 Ringling thread until I saw Sula had beat me to the punch. Nice going. Look at this monster you created. Now we can blame you if anything bad comes as a result of this thread. ha ha ha. Ringling is waiting!

[EccoXile]

Wootish to the monster thread. And for everyones hard work and sula makign that massive first post. Without this thread, I would have no idea what Ringling is :P Thanks for poisoning my brain.

[Pixeldragoon]

Without this post, I'd have had kidney failure, lung failure, my tibia would have been shattered, my spinal cord twisted, my hair fall out, my house burn down, my dog bite my broken knee, and sour tasting Pepto. Thanks The Ringling Thread Part Deux (2005 hopefuls) + summary of old thread!!!

[ScatteredLogical]

Don't forget how it saved your marriage! :D

[sula_nebouxi]

Hehe...thanks guys :)

And Hett, I R teh winnar! I will of course deny any involvement with this thread if any...unfortunate events should occur as a result of the information posted here. Sula? Dare ga Sula? Namae ha Maeda Takeshi da yo. Eigo wo hanasanai yo.

Anyways...there's 3 more days left for me this semester. I've already had my last drawing funamentals and intro to mass media class(with the very awesome Steve Miller). I really liked Miller's class...heh he's one of the most cynical people I've ever met. But he's really knowledgeable about what happens in the media. When they say it's not about the money...It's about the money. He drilled that line into us from the first day of class. I'll miss some parts of Rutgers. Course registration? Hell no...won't miss that one bit. The RU screw? Nope. The 15 minute wait for buses when you're already late for class? Uh...no. The one thing I'll miss the most? The Grease Trucks. The fattiest, tastiest, artery clogging monstrosities known to man. Goodbye Fat Moon, Fat Phillippino, and Fat Bitch...I barely knew ye. FYI...those are names of some of the sandwiches ;) Pictured is the Fat Cat.

http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~atso/Photos/fat-cat-fixed.jpg
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~atso/Photos/fat-cat2-fixed.jpg

Yum.

[Hett15]

Kokuseki wa doko.

quelle langue sont vous parlant?

¿es eso japonés?

Eu não sei realmente nenhumas línguas o outro então inglês e um bocado pequeno do espanhol.

Se potete leggere questo avete speso troppo tempo sul Internet e su non abbastanza illustrazione di tempo!


http://world.altavista.com/tr

[CatHicks]

Don't forget how it saved your marriage! :D
Haha! Niiiiice.

You are awesome.

[Hett15]

My wife has her interview tomorrow so we are driving down there tonight. I might even get to go by Ringling again. I wonder if I can sit in on a class while she is at her interview. If it goes well we are locked in on Sarasota and our lives will get really exciting really soon!

and let's go people have a little pride in your school. we have to surpass the sheridan thread! :)


Well...SHE GOT THE JOB!!!!!

She signed a contract with the county garunteeing her a position for this next school year. She now only has to do a few more interviews with some principals to choose the school she wants to work in. At the interview the head of all hiring told her he was going to suggest her name to a specific school that is opening a whole new wing and needs a K-2 teacher for the ESE class. They will even be paying for our moving costs.

This is awesome because the school is really close to where we will live and because we were able to finalize our lease for our apartment. My loans are approved and everything else is ready to go.

(we are so close to surpassing those sheridan wahoos! :yayca: )

[Hett15]

By the way did you all know that tuition went up $1000 from the price listed in the 2004 - 2005 book? I just found this out yesterday and I will have to adjust my loans a little. It is know going to be $11,000 roughtly per semester + fees and other expenses. I am taking out about $25,000 for the whole year to pay the balance of tuition after finacial aid and to pay all the fees and supply costs.

speaking of other expenses...

It says that new students should expect to pay about $2000 for art supplies. Is that just for the first year or will we be paying that each year for supplies? I know we will be paying a $1,100 technology fee for CA, but this is on top of that.

Where is all of our money going by the way? Other then "an education" what exactly do we get back from the school after paying them all that money? It would seem like we should get a laptop or something? Are the supplies for the upper level classes paid for in the tuition? I took a few art courses that were that way where the teacher bought a bunch of supplies to give out to us using our fees paid for the class.

I am not disgruntled about this, just curious.

OYCM do you know anything about this stuff?

[sula_nebouxi]

Good god...$2000? Who pays that much for art supplies? Unless you're going all out, you'll have a hard time even breaking $1000. The only thing you'll really have to break the bank on is painting supplies. Getting low end brushes, paints, an easel, a palette and assorted tools will cost you around $300-400. Other than that, everything is relatively cheap. Pencils, charcoal and stuff will not run you several hundred dollars. I'd say the final cost is around $750 if you're taking painting. Drawing supplies will be around $250 max. So....unless you're planning on buying the complete set of Winsor and Newton Sable brushes with every single color of Old Holland oil paints and the giant 10 foot easels, you will never ever have to pay that much for supplies. FYI...all that would probably cost ya close to $2500 ;) Oh and dickblick.com is your friend ;) Buy your supplies before coming to Ringling. It'll much cheaper, just don't buy oil paints if you're flying to Ringling. I don't think you can bring those onboard a plane...they tend to err...catch fire. Also, with all the CA courses in later years, I doubt we'll have much time for traditional courses.

The tuition increase...is well...quite high. But, it is a private art school...I'm just more accustomed to an increase of a few hundred per year. I believe the technology fee goes to computer and software upgrades. It getes updated every 2 years I think.

[Hett15]

That's what I was thinking Sula. The beginning art student package is only $280 so I don't know what the quoted $2000 is for unless they think that is the cost over four years.

[jayneko]

They updated the tuition fee PDF file on their website, if anyone wanted to know the exact price of everything.

Tuition Fees 05-06 (http://www.rsad.edu/pdf/TutionandFees.pdf)

Somewhat rounded cost per semester... 17000. Sigh. I REALLY hope I don't have to get that meal plan.

Time to adjust the loan contracts now, too. Bleaaah.

[Hett15]

How much fun do these clases sound like!!

I can't wait!!!!!

CG 328 - Animation Preproduction
Student will go through a preproduction process oriented to the creation of material to be used as a basis for subsequent production of a computer-generated senior project. Stages include initial concept creation, animation design, staging design, lighting design and sound design. The elements are combined into a presentation storyboard, a process book, timing sheets and timed animatic.

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CG 335 - Drawing for Animators
This course introduces students to the basic elements of gesture drawing, quick sketch, volume, and depth techniques to capture action and attitude. Drawing for weight, force, thought, emotion and movement are stressed. Character development and design will be realized through descriptive drawing and sound draftsmanship as related to story. Prerequisite for CG 335: Minimum grade of C- in CG 209, CG 222, CG 228.

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CG 420 - Computer Animation V
Designed to serve as preparation for life as a professional animator. Centers on a student-generated project from CG 328 that results in a one-and-a-half minute animated short with sound, a process book and a presentation. Continued and deeper study of the basic principles of animation using 3D computer generated animation. Students will practice and develop observational skills that aid in understanding motion. Failure to successfully complete CG 422 will require the student to repeat CG 420 and CG 422. Prerequisite for CG 420: Minimum grade of C- in CG 322, CG 328.

[sula_nebouxi]

Jay, it'll only get higher and higher each year...my god you're right...it's almost a $1000 increase from a year ago. They better give us Bayou housing or something where we don't need meal plans...Yikes...well ya know, this just means we'll have to bust our asses while we're there so we can gain a bit of recognition. That might mean scholarships and stuff from cg companies...and from Ringling. I'm sure they have merit awards after freshman year.

All you Floridians are so lucky to living so closeby.

edit: ok...double checked my math...it's only about a $1000 increase, not $2000.

[Hett15]

All Ringling Students
(x2 means spring and fall)
First year...
Tuition = $10,600 x2 = $21,200
General Fee = $100 x2 = 200
Matriculation Fee = $275
Core Program Fee = $60
Health Insurance = $611
Core technology fee = $550 x2 = $1,100

Total = $23,656 (check my math though)

[jayneko]

I'm having a hard time picking what I want to take, too!

Got a question I asked Sula...not sure if I did so here.

As our program has changed, we have more electives now, right? If say, I took these elective slots and took all five courses required for any minor, would these class credits count for both the MAJOR and the MINOR?

Not sure if I explained myself...eh. ;)

[Hett15]

I know you can't really minor in your own major because that is redundant
but you can specialize in a certain subject with in your major and take extra classes in what you like doing.

minors should be ina related field like illustration or game design.

[sula_nebouxi]

I think he means if he were to say take Game Design as a minor, would the classes he takes for that minor count towards elective courses for the major. Well...I guess I should repeat what I said to Jay to everyone...With my experience with Rutgers, each class can only count for one thing. Either the major or the minor but not both.

edit: oh yeah, I did some math(hopefully it's right this time) and the total cost for incoming freshman who need housing(and will live in the freshman dorms) will cost you around $32,400 minus health insurance costs.

[jayneko]

Plus housing and evil, evil food plan..around 32-33k. x_x

Around 35k when we (the CA kids) go into sophmore year thanks to the technology fees.

This is all rather depressing. :E

I do hope we got some outside scholarships Sula! O.o Since rsad's finaid is being evil to me. ;P

And..did we beat the other thread yet? ;)

[EccoXile]

Woot, sheridan has been beaten. But not in page views >O oh well.

Oh the utter joy of 33k...plus all the plane tickets and fun extra stuff. Gahhh.

I wish I had fun emails and technological blah blah to share, but being a mere illustration student they dont care about me. Sniff.

Does ringlign send you a confirmation letter when they receieve your confirmation fee?

[jayneko]

Ideedely they do, Ecco!

*Writes more stuff to make the post seem more important*

Errr. Tah dah! :yayca:

[EccoXile]

Nrgghhhhhhhsiifidhf. gah. i sent that in weeks ago and i have heard nada. maybe ill call them about that...

[Pixeldragoon]

This may sound cliche, but I am not stopping until I get the Presidential scholarship for CA. The only weay someone else would get it from me is if they ahd already gone to another college, or have had private or formal art trainging. I've only taken 1 school class on drawing, no private lessons and all that. It's a damned good thing Im only a freshman. Next years is gonna effing rock. Drawing II, Painting I, Yearbook, Photoshop, whee!!!

[carakhan]

Pixeldragoon: It's cliche, and very hard to do. I don't want to throw your hopes into the toilet, but every single one of those "exceptions" happens at this school. I went to college before I was accepted at Ringling (CA). Half of the people accepted into Ringling have gone to other colleges, have had a lot more experience, and some even have experience in the actual industry. I believe the current holder of the Presidential scholarship has worked for Disney's traditional animation department for 7 years. So, he will still be there when you get in. You have to remember that not everyone that goes in as a freshman is 18 years old. I knew freshmen that have been in their industry for years and are just here to gain more experience and a degree. You're going to be in for so many surprises when you get here. But keep trying. Work over the summer, take as many outside classes as you can. I don't know if you've gotten in yet, but do NOT slack. I've watched my classmates drop like flies, either because of the pressure, or failing out. It's going to be hard, but it's worth it. And you have to remember that. Hope I uh, didn't come down too hard. :P

[jayneko]

ThinMint- I agree. I do hope Pixel gets it, it's be nice to see someone from CA.org receive it, but competition IS big. 90 people, probably more by the time you apply, are trying their hardest to get it. Not saying you should stop trying..in fact, try harder! But don't set all your hopes on it. Always have backup plans! Such as evil loans and such. o.o

BTW ThinMint, since you're already there an all (or have you already graduated?), mind telling us how life is there? :) What classes are like, how the workload is and all that? Just so we can get even more excited about it? ;) Thanks in advance! I'm sure all of us here would love to hear more about rsad than we see in the catalogs. :)

[carakhan]

I am currently attending, although our last day is Monday.
The first year can be stressful, don't put off your work til the last minute. You'll definitely be sorry!
Word to everyone wanting to save some cash: This isn't reallly saving you money, but it's good to do. Take as many liberal arts courses you can over the summer. Ringling has a list of courses from the nearby community college that will transfer, and if you bring in your list from your school, they'll tell you if they qualify. The liberal arts courses cost just as much as all the cooler ones, and they get in the way of more important classes. Also, if you have more courses already finished, your work load will be much lighter later on. Because I had 9 credits coming in, I had enough time in my schedule to start my gaming minor! (only available to CA, but anyone can take the first two courses) But don't take math outside the school. Our math course is actually easier than the community colleges, so it'll keep your GPA up.

I don't live on campus, but I'm there all the time anyway. I've never had to wait for a computer, and there's always someone to help you late at nite. All of the open labs save one are macs, so learn your hotkeys!

BE FRIENDLY. If I hadn't actually tried to meet people during orientation, I wouldn't have any friends. Your friends seem to really be determined in that first week. So even if the activities sound retarded, do them anyway!

Don't give the teachers attitude, or remain in your style. If a teacher sees that you're having trouble getting out of a habit, your grade will decline. You need to be open minded. Basically, the teacher's way is the highway. They like you more when you do the things they like.

I'm not sure who is teaching, but Dee Hood, Aaron Board, Kaplan and a few others who have fallen out of my head at the moment are great. I'm not going to put any teachers down on this forum, I'll leave that to when I meet you in person.

The food here is horrendous. If you're living in the apartments on campus, or live off campus, save yourself the money and don't get a meal plan. You're gonna regret it. Albertson's is the gift to a college student, that's all I'm gonna say.

That's all I can think of for right now, but if you have questions, let me know!
(holy crap that was a long post!)

[ScatteredLogical]

Don't give the teachers attitude, or remain in your style. If a teacher sees that you're having trouble getting out of a habit, your grade will decline. You need to be open minded. Basically, the teacher's way is the highway. They like you more when you do the things they like.

Style is really just the name for the collective motif of whatever you pop out anyhow. If I burp twice I have an established style of burping. Any other burp that comes along adds to and/or adjusts it, whether or not I decided how I was going to burp. How many people survive for any length of time with a controlled decision of how to go about making something? If they do, it's because they've got a mastery of fundamentals first (Picasso as an example), and then went a little crazy with some passion mixed in there.

Perhaps there is room for whatever you feel your style is, at a balance with what makes for strong, healthy animation (or other artwork) as determined by the teacher's knowledge. You provide the content, they provide the structure, so to speak. In that sense, and tell me if I've misinterpreted, the teacher's highway would be an excellent route and so would pleasing them to such an end.

That's not to say there aren't huge ego monsters lurking about out there.

[carakhan]

ScatteredLogical: I apologize, I was merely talking about your first year experience. It's called the Core program, and for my class, we won't touch animation until our second year. So I'm talking about all traditional classes, figure drawing, still life, etc. When we get into animation obviously we should develop our own style, but I haven't met those teachers yet. I did, however, have teachers this year that lowered my grade if I didn't follow the protocol exactly. If my gestures weren't exactly like theirs, they apparently weren't good. Again, it does depend on the teacher. I could give information on who to stay away from, but I won't do that here.
Your Core experience (first year) is learning all the rules, so that you can break them later on. But don't try and break them ahead of time, many teachers won't be happy if you do. If you take shortcuts you already knew, your grade could suffer for it. Just do whatever your told. I actually found there was very little room for creativity in most traditional classes in the first year. The second semester gets so much better, so don't get discouraged.

[carakhan]

ScatteredLogical: I apologize, I was merely talking about your first year experience. It's called the Core program, and for my class, we won't touch animation until our second year. So I'm talking about all traditional classes, figure drawing, still life, etc. When we get into animation obviously we should develop our own style, but I haven't met those teachers yet. I did, however, have teachers this year that lowered my grade if I didn't follow the protocol exactly. If my gestures weren't exactly like theirs, they apparently weren't good. Again, it does depend on the teacher. I could give information on who to stay away from, but I won't do that here.
Your Core experience (first year) is learning all the rules, so that you can break them later on. But don't try and break them ahead of time, many teachers won't be happy if you do. If you take shortcuts you already knew, your grade could suffer for it. Just do whatever your told. I actually found there was very little room for creativity in most traditional classes in the first year. The second semester gets so much better, so don't get discouraged.

[ScatteredLogical]

Oh, hey, that was expository, I wasn't debating. Just adding to the conversation!

You've officially dealt with an ego monster.

I ran into something similar when I first started; we had a life drawing element to my first drawing course, and the woman was like 200 lbs and 5'7", so she was packing, and I drew her analytically. My crime was that I lacked expressiveness, but in the teacher's eyes the crime was that I didn't draw her like a Disney princess like everyone else so she made me revise and revise eliminating chunks and ripples of fat until it was more to her liking. So she ended up closer to 160 lbs =) Sometimes I think they lose sight of the importance of some of these lessons :rendered:

[Pixeldragoon]

Dude!!! Kaplan is my drawing teacher right now! I attend MSA in manatee county, and Im a freshman in HS, so =P whatever.

[carakhan]

wow, I'm startin to think you had it worse than I did. Although my teacher wanted us to "use our minds to find the inner beauty", in otherwords, don't make the person so detailed you see how ugly the models really are. :tihi: