The Ringling Thread Part Deux (2005 hopefuls) + summary of old thread

[ScatteredLogical]

That cobra girl especially is the best one. Talent + concept = goodness. She reminds me of that masked angelly thing (Jenova?) from FFVII except pretty...

SKULLBOT UPDATE >> http://www.studentofanimation.com/images/ and right-click to Save Target As... on the fullrender.mov. Around 30mb in Quicktime format. You can really tell I'm just learning this program haha. As a small note, he's supposed to be getting up both with his backthrusters and using the chimney for leverage. I haven't gotten to particle effects and I was staging to avoid seeing most of the -really- bad anim for that part. And the camera was supposed to move UP for the flower shot at the beginning, not sink the flower -into- the roof. I do like his walk though.

[jayneko]

Hey SL! Took me a while to get the animation.. My stupid ISP kept timing out or something and it only donwloaded halfway..but I finally got it! o_@ Hehe, the walk -is- pretty fun. :)

I'm not a real animator yet so I don't feel comfy giving feedback on such cause everything I say may be a LIE but... XD *Is nosy!*

1- Take a look at your fcurves...or..graph editor. I forgot the name in lightwave. Some of the movements seem to float, not really stopping, and you lose the illusion of weight. The curves will tell you how the movements are happening. It takes a while to understand them (took ME a while!). o_o When the foot stops right in front of the flower see how it slides? If you can find the curve for the object that controls the foot's position, try to click on the keyframe and find a "Linear" option. It'll make the foot stick. I hope. I really haven't used lightwave for a while but the curve editor should work everywhere. n_n;;;

(Was that confusing enough? @_@) Sorry I couldnt give a better explanation of the curves.. It's why I'm no good teaching. ;) Just think of every moving object with keyframes as a mathematical graph. Or something.

2- You have a little bit of anticipation when the skullbot looks towards his right to spot the flower, when the head starts the movement. Try taking that earlier so he looks at the flower and THEN starts moving. :D You've all prolly read this tons of times before, but a character has to think before he acts. Usually leading an action with the character's gaze is a good way to lead the audience into the next action. Easier said than done, but hey, there's some anticipation there so why not use it? :) S'all good.

3- Once we get a closeup of the skullbot's face.. I'd hold the pose longer to get the "Uh oh" through..maybe drop his jaw. XD Blinking could help too. The hitchcock vertigo effect is hard to pull off. I guess it worked in the film because it was a shot of what the character saw under him, and not a zoom in/track out of his face. It's a bit looneytooney..which I love, but I know you were trying for the vertigo effect eh? Maybe a shot just like in Vertigo would explain this better? Facing down, then back to a close up, "Uh oh!", then down he goes?

4- When skullbot picks up the flower, the camera jumps over to the other side.. This is called jumping the Line of Action, or so my film teacher called it, and he proceeded to keel us. Painfully. It's disorienting for the viewer. Basically, one should stay on one side of the LoA unless it's a crazy, crazy movie. LoA is simply an imaginary line from where the main character in the scene is facing to his..um..goal? IE, the flower in this case.

5- After sniffing the rose and walking off..maybe Skullbot can look TO the camera. That way, it ill explain why he didn't notice the roof ending. He was too distracted by the pretty flower and was..I dunno, smiling at us to show his approval? Going wink wink nudge nudge or something. XD

The lighting's a bit dark too. It's a good start though! :) All I could make in lightwave were little trains and such. ;) Keep refining and it'll be great in no time. ^_^ And I apologize if I was making stuff up here.. if I was wrong I'll gladly eat my words with ketchup and mustard.

Im glad I got to download your stuff tho! I hope you didn't mind me giving it crits and such. Just trying to be useful around here. ^^;;;

And now it's midnight and I'm sleepy. So I'm off!

[ScatteredLogical]

Oh, yah, I am an expert at knowing what the problems are with this thing, so I can help you out. Four hours of lab isn't enough time to pop these things out.

1) Because it's parented to the calf and that parented to the thigh, the only thing you can control about the foot is its rotation. Position changes would break the foot off of the body. This is all forward kinematics, just setting up pivots and things. The slipping is in fact with the ultimate parent (the pelvis) where the copying and pasting of pieces of the timeline in the graph editor were uneven with the rest of the timing (we were asked to keep each new key 10 frames apart).

2) You can read a thing as much as you want, but it all changes when you're out there doing it, you know? I agree and disagree. I agree in that I wanted him to just turn the head, and that would prompt him to get up; I disagree in that part of his craning had this been adequately animated would account for the beginning lean of the body which is a preface to his getting up. Plus like you were saying there's the curve types in a graph editor that do that recoil stuff, and it's a real blasted event trying to keep track of what pieces are doing what and settling, especially when they're so highly interrelated. I suspect that was residual motion from something else that snuck in there.

3) I agree completely, and it's so obvious and so good of an idea it almost hurts. He's so starkly expressionless and yet with the one moveable part of his face, a snappy 1940s style jawdrop would be a perfect fit. As for the second point, I think it's a style decision. It breaks the tempo to pull the zoom/track, and it was sort of anticipated with the "Oh shnikes there's nothing but air below your next step!" pull-above camera shot that preceded it.

4) Breaking the line deals almost exclusively with conversations between people. It involves reciprocating one angle for another in relation to the two subjects so that the camera staging shows views that we would see if we were there. If I am facing you, and I'm on the right of the screen with my back to the camera and the shot's over my left shoulder, and you're on the left side of the screen, the setup has to be the same when it goes to you talking to me otherwise it would appear unnatural and as you said 'disorient' the person as to where they are, especially since I basically "spawned" in your place, whereas trading the foreground for the background is an agreeable change. You cannot break 180 degree angle, which is a straight line. Being approximate, I'm right on the line. If anyone can clarify I'd be interested because it seems like it works, especially with him flying solo in the scene. Because the assignment had us do 3 sections (establishing, walk cycle, interaction with object), approaching the flower is in my mind considered part of the walk cycle section. The reason it is from that side of him is it is connected to the end of the establishing shot, which is him in front of the chimney. I don't think a good establishing shot would be the chimney from behind him with pieces of him sticking out of the sides. Had I continued from the side of him during the walk, the flower would be blocked by his hand and be ineffective staging even if the silhouette were similar. Knowing what he's doing is important to the whole thing, plus him finally picking it up in near-profile reads very well in my opinion and is easily my favorite shot of the whole thing. So at least you know why I did what I did.

EDIT > To be fair I just realized very simply I didn't have to use his left arm to grab it. File -that- one under K'DUH!

5) Duly noted, in that his head under my explanation should stay where it was at during the sigh. Nice and lofty and high. Hell, it echoes his attitude with his body, right? Part of my walk cycle had his head basically stuck downward, which even if you were drunk and distracted by the flower (the whole point) makes it pretty hard to not notice the distant ground ahead of you. This is me being careless and not taking the story context into consideration when pasting in extra cycles. Adjustments should've been made for that. Good eye.

Incidentally, the lighting should be dark because the sun has gone down. I added in blue area light to create moonlight though we never see the moon, and I thought it would help reinforce the atmosphere. Then again, if we're being technical, he's not dreaming so a spotlight out of nowhere on the rose is ridiculous too.

I didn't put it up for critique per se, especially since the actual slap-together + render time was so limited BUT now I'm glad I did because I thought I knew all the crap parts; you opened my eyes. I hope the grading is less harsh but it makes me feel better to see what I can look out for and improve. This was really WAY more an exercise in becoming familiar with the software more than being fancy or using the principles or anything. I'm taking a course like this, as I said, so that when I get to Ringling it can be more about the art and less about these technical gaffes. Less distraction, y'know? I'm just happy it has continuity. Awesome animation can wait till I know my way around the program hehe

No sense in apologizing, I more than appreciate your desire and motivation to share that information. I wish it happened all the time, in and out of school. There's really no "wrong" that you can be. You can only say "That's broken," "that's a lack of effort," and "that's my opinion." I'm glad you wanted to be useful and even more glad that you were.

And thanks for being patient. The closest I came to a format change was 21mb and it was a TERRIBLE .AVI (I was exporting through Flash MX 2004)...

[ScatteredLogical]

Incidentally, have you ever had ketchup and mustard together with brown sugar as a sauce for meatloaf? I'd eat a SIDEWALK with that on it, OH my GOD!

[ScatteredLogical]

Hooray, I found this in a direction discussion board:

For a couple of people talking, so-called "reverse angles" which break the 180 degree rule or Axis of Action are quite common and not at all strange and jarring. Often they are point-of-view shots, i.e. two people sitting on a balcony, facing each other talking, filmed from the exterior. Then you see them both turn to the camera, and whoosh, we cut to the camera being 180 degrees on the other side looking 'with' them at whatever they're looking at (sunset, naked women, etc). This certainly breaks the 180 degree rule but is quite common and nobody gets confused. Why? Because all participants were in the shot from both angles. No spatial confusion.

On the flip side, what =is= confusing is if you film these two balcony-goers, one at a time one from the exterior again in the left of the frame, and then cut to the =other= guy filmed from the interior looking out. That puts him =also= in the left of the frame -- jarring and confusing.

Basically, then, you can say that the "proper" interpretation of the 180 degree rule is: "The camera should stay on one side of the 'imaginary line of action' at all times =unless= all participants (and adequate spatial cues) exist in =both= cuts."

Since the only participants are Skullbot and his flower-friend, my shot checks out and is officially "not a technical difficulty." Who's passing out the stickers?

[EccoXile]

finalllyyyyy. i was accepted into illustration :P still waiting on the letter and financial stuff. but yayyyy.

[jejuhorse]

Congrats Ecco i'm really glad to here that
i also looking foward to see you too :D
(hopefully i will also be able to go to Ringling..:))
i'm waiting for my financial aid letter to come...

[OneYouCannotMention]

[QUOTE=ScatteredLogical]Oh, yah, I am an expert at knowing what the problems are with this thing, so I can help you out. Four hours of lab isn't enough time to pop these things out.
QUOTE]

It's much better to have something short and good rather than somthing way too long and not so good.

If you only have four hours why not create a project that can be somewhat close to be being finished in that time. If you are just starting out spending four hours to just have the guy stand up is fine.

Qualtiy not quantity.

[OneYouCannotMention]

Since the only participants are Skullbot and his flower-friend, my shot checks out and is officially "not a technical difficulty." Who's passing out the stickers?

Sorry but it's still a jump cut.

[ScatteredLogical]

It's much better to have something short and good rather than somthing way too long and not so good. If you only have four hours why not create a project that can be somewhat close to be being finished in that time. If you are just starting out spending four hours to just have the guy stand up is fine.

Quality not quantity.

It's fine if that was the assignment. I agree wholeheartedly; however, I already said there was specific criteria in place. The assignment wasn't "have something happen," it was "have these handful of specific things happen." 4 hours is what I had, and this is as far as I got doing what was assigned in those 4 hours. I also already stated that the focus wasn't in the animation -- it can't be when you're learning things as you go -- but in getting used to the software and using that knowledge to carry out what was asked of us. If I knew the software like the back of my hand instead, and all the characters and props and lighting were there and rigged and all I had to worry about was animation, the quality would be there. I have enough 2D skills to make it work better than what it's at right now. Unfortunately, those simply weren't the circumstances.

It's in the catalog as Lightwave class and not something that teaches us how to animate. As an example, walk cycles were one of the first things we covered, and something that is often regarded as the hardest thing to pull off acting-wise in all of animationdom, correct? What he showed the class was him going through the paces of mechanically doing two poses and tweening them, and adjusting them in the graph editor. I'm not complaining though, it's what you get for 267 dollars a credit hour, and as I explained before I'm in this to get the tech kinks out of my system before travelling elsewhere and nothing more.

Sorry but it's still a jump cut.

I meant that it 'checked out' for breaking the line. There's no one else in the scene, so by a broad definition any way I shoot him unless the whole thing was continuous could be perceived as a jump cut, and even with a very specific definition I can't disagree. It's very much a mismatched edit. All I have is my rationale, which makes good logical sense from a continuity standpoint but not the strongest directorial sense in practice. That wasn't what I was discussing though.

My own description, based off of what I remembered in my mind as an abstraction, was that both of them were in profile. In reality, if you watch the clip, before the cut occurs the perspective is above and forward from the character, and after the profile shot the next cut has the props and lighting showing that the orientation has changed. There can't be a terribly strong confusion with a bird's eye 3/4 and a closeup profile. The actual flaw with this that would have it not satisfy the requirement is that when the cut is first made, we have only scattered information (a background that looks very similar in every shot, the roof pieces which all share a texture) to help us figure out where he is. That's insufficient. I'd need to have better visual reference to make it work right.

[OneYouCannotMention]

It doesn't have to do anything with the background the problem is that is one shot he's facing to our left and the next he's facing right. It's breaks the 180 rule (which can be broken but not the way you are doing it), it jarring and confusing. If a viewer stops to think about which way the character is facing from shot to shot and rather than the story it's not working.

Since the whole idea for a cut is to show new information to the viewer a close up of the hand picking up the flower would make more sense, just rotate the hand so the palm is facing forward more so we can see it better. Yes I know it was only a four hour project I'll be quite now.

[ScatteredLogical]

it jarring and confusing. Even if there wasn't a rule about it, which of course there is (http://www.ouc.bc.ca/fina/glossary/o_list/180degreerule.html), that being the case for just one person means it should be changed. Revised until there's no technical fuss to occlude the storytelling. Bear in mind it makes more sense to me because I've seen the whole environment in Layout, so I have no fresh eyes to perceive the cuts with.

I misunderstood said rule. Here's what I was thinking:

http://studentofanimation.com/images/AWNForums.jpg

In the first diagram is the location of the three camera shots in the middle of the file and the position of Skullbot (it's approximate). I thought that the first angle, the red line, would set up the "line going through the middle of the scene" as described in the Axis of Action definition, when in fact it is parallel to the dashed path he was walking. In my reasoning, when the next green line came in, it wasn't past the red 180-degree-line (which isn't one at all) and thus I wasn't breaking it. Now I know that I have broken it, and that just by being over on the other side there's a strong chance the shot can't work, even if the side of the frame he occupies with most of his visual weight has changed.

I consider this a lesson learned! Now that I've talked about it and hear different views, etc. it will be in my memory banks to avoid making the same mistake twice. I think this kinda thing is healthy, to show the people coming in in a practical way what to avoid.

Yes I know it was only a four hour project I'll be quite now. I was making a point for clarity that I would've done exactly what I should've (made something less, but made it well) had the opportunity been there. As an artist I have to care about what people think, especially when it comes to the integrity of the expression of my ideas. If I am unaware of that or cannot defend or explain that then I've lost some of my control as a filmmaker to communicate to the audience. As far as physical efforts are concerned displaying it differently would fit in the timespan, to be sure, but not if I used its time to make a bad decision. If I did what I did and staged it improperly, staging it properly requires going back and necessitates more time. I was actually still working on it as the lab closed. I have to work on getting it right the first time =)

Just because I am opinionated, or even declared something as a perceived fact, is not an argument or even a critical defense, even though it looks just like it. I am making statements and asking questions to understand what I currently do not. I would hope that discussing work and even what someone thinks he or she knows has a place at a school. If there are just directions and criteria, and then you say "Fill in the gaps with your own research and creativity," that's fantastic and right up my alley, but never dealing with the end product once it's there is not being accountable for the entire second half of the learning process. It's like touching a hot stove and not sending the message to the brain that it's painful and harmful.

[Father McKenzie]

Hey people. I got into CA and just want some advice form vets on what I need to do this summer to make the transition smooth. Specifically what programs i need to be familiar with. Thanks

[sula_nebouxi]

Couple of notes...

Ecco and McKenzie...congrats on making it in! We all knew you could do it Ecco ;) And McK, you don't have to be familiar with a program going in. They'll teach you that in class. But it doesn't hurt to have some prior knowledge. They use Maya in the CA program, so if you'd like to you can practice a little with it over the summer. Just note that you won't be touching Maya until your sophmore year.

SL, personally I think the project could have been made even simpler. And I think it could have included a little bit of acting in there too. I figure, why not kill two birds with one stone? Practice acting in animation and technical skills.

One of the first lessons we learned in the acting class I'm taking now is how to keep things simple. Acting doesn't require crying and screaming to be called *good* acting. It can be just as interesting to watch someone drink coffee and read the paper. Scratch that, it can be made even simpler than that. It's possible to make a scene where Skullbot sits down in a chair interesting. I think that fulfills your assignment, he does interact with an object. If all we had was Skullbot, a chair and a door, I think it could work.

Let's say Skullbot walks in through the door and pauses. He notices a chair by turning his head to the side. He turns his body to face the direction of his head and walks towards the chair. He sits down and stretches out his legs. He leans back and puts his hands behind his head. This is just an example, but if done right, it can be interesting. Could it have been done in 4 hours? Probably. I mean it wouldn't be Pixar quality, but you would have created an animation using the knowledge of how to work the program while practicing animation skills. A couple of well placed spot lights with a fairly high falloff is all you need for lighting. Camera placement and control would be easy too. It's a calm scene, static shots will do.

Ok final word...now that it's all been said and done, can we keep this thread about Ringling and not animation critiques? CGtalk is a much better place for it.

[jipe]

Hey guys (and gals),

Thought I would finally post here; I've been watching this thread with interest as I was a lurker for the 2004 thread during my college application process. I initially applied to RSAD but never sent in a portfolio because my work wasn't strong enough, so I went elsewhere.

I am a freshman at Bowling Green State University in Ohio, which isn't quite the quality of RSAD because it's a state college, not a private art school. It has a pretty good digital art program, though, and in my foundations classes these first two semesters I have met a bunch of dedicated and talented peers. My professors have all been eager and enthusiastic about art, and I am excited about my future.

Why am I posting this? Well, I finally had my portfolio review today and it went very smoothly. It's hard for me to believe that a year and two months after dropping my application to RSAD due to a lack of a worthy portfolio, I have what one could call, at the very least, a decent body of work.

I never took any any art classes in high school because I was an A student, good at math and writing, and focused solely on honors & AP courses. I couldn't draw at all, in fact, it was sort of a running joke. When people found out I wanted to major in something art-y (computer animation), they thought I had gone off my rocker. I suppose with my grades and ACT score I was expected to attend a prestigious school and become a doctor or lawyer or something. I don't know - it doesn't matter.

My point is twofold:

1) Don't let people pigeonhole you. If you've found something that you love doing, then do it. The only thing holding you back should be yourself. Can't do something? Learn how. There were times when I felt that I would never be able to make even a mediocre drawing, but you push through those doubting moments and come out on top, with more resolve and experience to tackle the next hurdle.

2) If you didn't get into Ringling, it's not the end of the world. There are plenty of other places to get a good art education. In the end it's how much you apply yourself that counts, and from this thread I can tell that you guys have a lot of passion, be it for animation, illustration, or whatever floats your boat. That's awesome to see - it's so damn cool to be around other people who are passionate and dedicated - because no school in the world can teach you that (or take it away from you!). So good luck with your schooling and get ready to rock the animation world when we graduate in 3-4 years.

As a side note, I thought I would post my portfolio pieces in case anyone was interested. Crits are welcome, if you feel up to it, but I realize that the pieces have their problems and I am too busy to go back to them (so consider it a noble but futile cause!).

Here is my work: http://personal.bgsu.edu/~jlevass/portfolio/

-Jim

[dadamafia]

i was just sitting here wondering if ringling would mail someone to tell them that they aint giving them no financial aid? that would be messed up. get all excited thinking you bout to get some chees and when you open it you get a filthy rat.

[CatHicks]

It doesn't have to do anything with the background the problem is that is one shot he's facing to our left and the next he's facing right. It's breaks the 180 rule (which can be broken but not the way you are doing it), it jarring and confusing. If a viewer stops to think about which way the character is facing from shot to shot and rather than the story it's not working.


Wow. Reading you two talk is really educational. Haha! Man I can't wait to get to Ringling.

[Avelena]

finalllyyyyy. i was accepted into illustration :P still waiting on the letter and financial stuff. but yayyyy.

*dances* Yay Ecco! Congrats!

[jayneko]

http://welcome.rsad.edu/mailings.php

Might be the mailing calendar for last year but..it should give us an idea of when to expect RIngling letters eh? ^_^

[Hett15]

Happy Easter everyone.

I just got back in town again. This makes 3 weekends in a row I've been gone. I talked about everything Ringling related with my folks and they are happy for me, but they still just don't get it. They both keep telling me that after a year or two I could probabaly drop out and still get a really good job in "animation" doing "something". After a frustraing conversation my wife once again steps up to the plate and hits a homer. She told them off in the nicest and sweetest way possible and somehow ended the whole thing off on a good note and they now understand Ringling a little more and why I want to go there.

On a side note she and I are driving down there this next weekend to go house/apartment hunting. We need to find a place and make a decision relatively soon so that we can get situated down there. Driving around Sarasota/Bradenton for two days will be nice. I hope the weather will be cooperative.


Another dumb thing that I did was download all the pictures (3) that some of you sent me onto my computer at work. Well on friday we had to install a new edit system on it and the whole computer got reformatted and I once again lost the pictures. I will not give up on trying to make this little group pic, so if EVERYONE will just send me a character of themselves (including those who already sent one) I WILL get this together. If you don't have time or don't want to make one yourself I will gladly create one of you based on how I have percieved you through your posts and by your avatar picture.

I just got hired by my church back home to do caricatures of the seniors that will be graduating each year. They are going to send me photos and a short bio and I will crank out a caricature for $10 each. Should be kind of fun.

See you all around, and remeber to send me your pictures you slackers! :)

[ScatteredLogical]

Why not kill two birds with one stone? Practice acting in animation and technical skills.

You're fortunate to be able to do that. However, if I'm familiarizing myself with the alphabet, I'd rather start out doing it with simple subject-verb sentences than beginning with attempts at Shakespeare or even Broadway. Takes all kinds to make a world =)

It's possible to make a scene where Skullbot sits down in a chair interesting. I think that fulfills your assignment, he does interact with an object. If all we had was Skullbot, a chair and a door, I think it could work.

Such is the gift of hindsight. I chose the objects I did, lit it the way I did, shot it the way I did, and gave it an actual narrative. Did it work out like a dream? Nope. Did I do something simple and do it well in the alotted time? Obviously not. I made other decisions with it, fell flat on my arse, and it was extremely informative. I for one am proud I got something that's a unit together, that I worked at a considerable pace, and I think it could be a great deal more terrible for a first time job. Before going to the school that helps me make something more of myself I've already gotten a head start with real live experience in an environment like that. Pretty cool! Now I can move on to the next thing using this newly acquired knowledge...


Ok final word...now that it's all been said and done, can we keep this thread about Ringling and not animation critiques? CGtalk is a much better place for it.

Thank you especially then, for being the person to express first and ongoing interest in it (#657)! And I'll apologize then, too; I have no interest in going to CGTalk because I didn't ask for any critiques to begin with; but I did suggest they continue after one was contributed because I felt it could benefit the group. After all, I am still potentially among you (until I'm told otherwise), so I assumed being a Ringling hopeful for computer animation, that mentioning and eventually posting a small actual computer animation might have some relevance and even be somewhat entertaining for a thread about, well, Ringling hopefuls that focuses on computer animation. Nonetheless, I agree and think it's been drained of all usefulness so I won't talk about it again if no one else does (which they won't).


Wow. Reading you two talk is really educational. Haha! Man I can't wait to get to Ringling.

Thanks! Mission accomplished at least once...

[leealex_2005]

Hi, after reading all most of the posts, I want to first congradulate to all who got accepted! But now is my question: Hows the illustration program in ringling compare to other art schools? The reason I ask this is because I got accepted into Ringling(yay), SCAD but still waiting for Risd. My parents want me to choose the "best" (I know there's no best art schools) illustration program out of those schools. They are worried about me, and I want to hear opinions about this major from you guys :D thx By the way, I do not want to start a flame war about the best illustration schools, just want to hear from u guys since this is the ringling thread.

[sula_nebouxi]

Hett, have fun house shopping :) I really really need to get you my caricature! I've got the sketch done, I just need to paint it in PS or something. Having a tough time with digital painting...plus I've got some schoolwork to take care of...I'll see if I can get it to ya in a few days.

SL, heh point taken...let us know when you get the letter.

And welcome to the thread Lee! And congrats to ya! Anyways...all I can tell you about RISD is that it's practically a part of Brown university, an Ivy league. Expect that school to whip your ass several times over. Not saying it's a bad thing. I think it's a very well respected art school. I think it will really push you to your limits. I don't know very much about their illustration department however. Here's a little tidbit, did you know that Conceptart.org was created by a Ringling grad? Yep...good ol' Jason Manley and I believe one other graduated from there. Just so ya know...he's got some damn fine stuff ;)

Each school has their differences, and I think that student work is usually a good determining factor for the quality of the program and what they emphasize. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

-Anthony

[leealex_2005]

Hi thx for the reply! Quote: "Here's a little tidbit, did you know that Conceptart.org was created by a Ringling grad? Yep...good ol' Jason Manley and I believe one other graduated from there. Just so ya know...he's got some damn fine stuff" <----This is so kewl! Now I'm looking forward to Ringling than other school..... But i have another question D: I'm an international student so I don't really know U.S in terms of the living cost/location... Do you think that the living expense in Ringling(the school and the location) will be greater compare to other schools such as risd or rsad or scad? The reason is my father wants me to choose to the "best" art school available for me while my mom wants me to choose the cheapest among the list I have.....this is so hard for me :[ Thx for any replies :confident

[ScatteredLogical]

I tried finding Rhode Island's tuition and fees but didn't see anything on the site. Anyone else a better finder? However, I do know that Savannah's generally on par with Ringling. In the past few years the only deviations have been that Savannah's housing was more expensive but their tuition was 2 thousand cheaper. Ringling's full name is Ringling School of Art and Design (I'm sure the middle part's from Communion or something), giving it the acronym of RSAD....so their prices will be identical =)

[sula_nebouxi]

RISD is much more expensive it seems. These prices are coming from a 3rd party, Peterson's. The prices seem outdated, so add a thousand to it.

Comprehensive fee: $35,697 includes full-time tuition ($27,510), mandatory fees ($465), and room and board ($7722)
Room and board: college room only: $4324.

It's about $3-4000 more than Ringling I believe. Living costs in Florida are generally less expensive than other parts of the US. I believe that Ringling is one of the cheaper art schools out there. You'll find a lot about SCAD on these boards and on CGtalk...it definetly has it's share of bad publicity. I personally have not had any experience with it at all, so I can't really say much. But do a search on here and you'll come up with some very...powerful opinions. People have said that it's in a bad neighborhood, that the administration will screw you over horribly, unsafe security, and fraudulent practices(basically giving away Masters degrees). This one professor who taught there put up a website www.scad.info detailing everything that was wrong with SCAD. I think he was sued for libel and the owner of the site won. But yeah...it's around the same cost as Ringling.

[jayneko]

To be quite honest, RSAD seems to be one of the cheapest art schools for an international student (I am one too!), and as you may have seen in their student gallery, their work is incredible. That was the only thing that made me pick RSAD over SCAD. :D

Pick the best school for you, and think about prices later (Well, unless the difference is astronomical!). If the difference is a couple thousand but you KNOW you'll get a better education out of it, pick the one you like the most, the one that'll give you a good challenge, and one that'll end up making you a great artist and let you land a great job afterwards. :D Like a buncha people have said here, a good way to tell how good a school is is by their student's work, so check them all out. :)

In case you need info and links on loans for intl. students and other interesting stuffles about living abroad and such, I'll be glad to post them here. Didn't post them now cause..I have to find them again. XD I'll update soon.

G'luck!

[Hett15]

updated tally
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GOT IN
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CatHicks (CA)
Father McKenzie (CA)
Hett15 (CA)
JAIR428 (CA)
Jayneko (CA)
jejuhorse (CA)
the horror (CA)
hunter (CA)
Sula_Nebouxi (CA)
kgb (CA)/(Illustration)
Avelena (Illustration)
Dadmafia (Illustration)
EccoXile (Illustration)
LeeAlex2005 (Illustration)
RSADHopeful (Illustration)
Red Rock (Illustration)
Velo (Illustration)
Precollege Rob (CA)
Precollege Kendra (Ca)
Precollege Cassie (Photography)
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waiting for letters or other schools
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WayoftheStrega (Illustration) M.I.A.
jerkobs (CA) M.I.A.
AnarchyAo2 (CA/Illustration?) M.I.A.
filtered (Graphic Design) M.I.A.
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waiting list
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andoo45 (CA hopeful) (Digi Pen?)
scattered_logical (holding on for CA)


Are all of these updated? I haven't heard anything from some of the waiting people in a long time. Cat are there more precollege people that can be added? Congrats to all.

[sula_nebouxi]

Haven't heard from those 4 in a long time either...But I think it's safe to remove filtered from there heh...He hasn't been here in about 10 months ;) I believe Andoo is still waiting to hear back from Rngling though. He's set his sights on another school though, Digipen. He's getting ready to send his portfolio off for that school. He's pretty excited about it, so I'm hoping he gets in :)

edit:my mistake

[jayneko]

They both keep telling me that after a year or two I could probabaly drop out and still get a really good job in "animation" doing "something".

Heh, I know what you mean. Dad keeps telling me to "just make a movie like the fish one and go to disney and sell it!" :P Riiiight.

I hope Andoo get into Digipen too. :D Sounds nifty.

And I know it's a bit early, but we should all celebrate when we get to RSAD in orientation or something... any ideas? ;P

[EccoXile]

have fun in florida hett :P i figure i shoudl go down there and check out the campus....just too far away and no time right now. i should have gone for spring break...hahaha. yeah right.

thats a fairly nice size list going, its great to be able to know people right away, especially such a dedicated group :yayca: don't like people that don't take things seriously, one of the reasons I didn't take the easy route and go to a college closer to home.

[sula_nebouxi]

Orientation party? w00t! Party at Hett's place! hehe just kiddin...We must have cream soda...and uh...pizza. Yeah, that's it ;) Jay, I'm totally bringing the Stewart's Cream Soda. And you will try some, you'll never go back to Mountain Dew again :D

I honestly have no clue what we can do :P Maybe there's something in that city nearby...ya know, Old People Ville...what's the name? Oh yeah...Sarasota. :P There's gotta be something to check out...right? ....anybody?

Heh...anyways...I got my letter today saying I have a seat confirmed in the CA program. w00t :) And it was personally signed by Dean Dean himself :P Here's an interesting little thing I noticed on the letter. It says that Orientation starts on the 18th not the 17th as it was noted earlier. So, I'm guessing international students must come on the 17th. I'm gonna wait for the official timeline to come in the mail before I say anything definitively.

[jayneko]

Bwhaha, I'm still getting all the goodies one day earlier! ;)

Well..Tampa and Orlando are not too far off. ;) Maybe Hett can scout for us this weekend and such. ;D *Nudge*

Good luck apartment-hunting and such Hett. :D Be sure to take pics of town so we can daydream s'more till we get there!

[OneYouCannotMention]

On a side note she and I are driving down there this next weekend to go house/apartment hunting. We need to find a place and make a decision relatively soon so that we can get situated down there. Driving around Sarasota/Bradenton for two days will be nice. I hope the weather will be cooperative.

How far away do you want to live from campus? If you want to be relatively close pick up one of those apartment guide magazines at a 7/11 and look for apartments down University Parkway.

I chose to live in Bradenton when I was a student around Cortez and 59th St W. it took about 25 minutes to get to campus but I like a little distance between school or work and home.

But your wife is going to be working in Sarasota so you might want to stay further south. Shop around there is a lot of nice stuff out there.

[hunter]

hey guys. i figured i may as well register and introduce myself here since ive been lurking around conceptart for a long time and reading this thread for the past few weeks.

im a regular over at PAs artist corner and got accepted into ringlings CA program for next year. i hope to see yall there in august!

sorry i have no website or art dump but i guess i could scrounge up a few links if you really care :perv:

[sula_nebouxi]

Awesome hunter! My we're getting quite a few ringling-bound people here ;) Not that it's a bad thing hehe. We'd love to see some of your stuff if it's alright. Does PA=penny-arcade?

Anyways...see ya in 4.5 months :P

[jayneko]

Welcome hunter, and congrats on making it into CA. :D

[hunter]

yeah PA is penny arcade. i guess ill whip up some links right now.

hour self portrait, the nose is so whack and its pretty suck but just a quickie before it was due o.O
http://photopile.com/photos/hunter41/asd/175823.jpg

heres my first etching, just messing around
http://photopile.com/photos/hunter40/sda/174107.jpg

and a character sheet i had to make for my sheridan portfolio (i got accepted, but it was just my backup)
http://photopile.com/photos/hunter39/sda/172581.jpg

landscape
http://photopile.com/photos/hunter38/dsa/172059.jpg

[dadamafia]

cool stuff bro. welcome to our peaceful cave.

[dadamafia]

hey guys, i got a little idea. all those people who got into ringling should start a little ringling preparation sketchgroup thing. like we give weekly objectives and then we share and critique everybody. this will get us as sharp as possible in time for the start of the skool year. just a thought anyways.

[Hett15]

How far away do you want to live from campus? If you want to be relatively close ... look for apartments down University Parkway... But your wife is going to be working in Sarasota so you might want to stay further south.

Yea we are going to try to live as close to campus as we can, becuase she might be getting hired at Oak Park Elemetary which is right down the road from Ringling. Thanks for the info about the apratment guide. We will definately be checking out University. I think I remember looking at some townhomes there last time we came to visit. We would ideally like to rent a townhome/duplex/house for around $700/month, but we will settle for an apartment if that is all we can find/afford. Is University the road that just got that Publix shopping center that is tan with red/orange spanish tiled roofs? It has a few banks, a walgreens, and a panera bread? If itis that is a really nice area. We almost bought a town home across the street from it in a new development, but we couldn't get approved for enough to buy it. Oh well. OYCM how is parking on campus for the commuting students? If you schedule early classes does that help to get a parking spot? I come from a University that has about 4,000 parking spaces for 45,000 students so I know parking can be a hassle.

And hey everyone we can definately have a get together party at my place once I get one. My wife's birthday is on Aug. 17th so we will have to do it after that. I'll look into fun stuff down there. I have cousins in St. Pete and some friends in Bradenton so I'll get the "low down" . OYCM could give us hints since this was his/her/its old stomping ground.

Congrats Hunter, I will edit you into the last list I just put up. As far as those other people I will Edit them out.

Dadmafia your sketch group thing sounds like something we should all definately do. We need to go do it in a different thread though to keep this about Ringling. Start one up in the sketchbook forum. Name it something like "Ringling 2005'ers Sketchbook" or something that doesn't sound quite as dumb. :teeth:

Ecco i'll take pictures while I'm down there to show off to everyone to keep your mouths watering. last time I took a bunch of pictures and lost the film, but now I have a digital camera so i will upload them when I get back.


Jayneko and Sula you guys rock! (just trying to include you in my post :) )

[ScatteredLogical]

How about the Ringling 2005 Living Yearbook? It starts around now and then even follows people as they hit their first assignments, etc. to provide anyone online who might land here an interesting perspective on the student experience, all told through the art produced on the thread.

[EccoXile]

Ohh, i really like the sketchbook/yearbook idea.

Sula seems to like cream soda? Haha, love cream soda. I haven't tried stewarts, seems it would be good though.
Pictures woudl be muchly awesome Hett. And of more than just the campus, thats all I have seen (and the always seem to be close ups of just one building)

I think I'll be heading down there a couple weeks early. I have some friends in orlando/palm bay I have to spend some time with. But I would still definatly be up for a ca partyish.

[Pixeldragoon]

Can ringling hopefuls do the sketchbook thingy too o,o pwease?

[sula_nebouxi]

I like the sketchbook/yearbook idea too...I think we should have seperate threads though...might get a bit crowded if everyone here started posting anything and everything in there. We could certainly try one big thread first...

And yes I love cream soda ;) It's amazing hehe. I also love Big Ed's ribs, Pina Colada Sobe and Dim Sum :)

On a side note...I'm feeling a bit nostalgic today, so here's a blast from the past. One of my favorite comic strips back when I was 7 or 8...It's been around since 1962 heh...It's a Chinese comic, the title in Cantonese sounds roughly like "Lo Fu Ji". It translates to Old Master but for some reason they added a Q to make it Old Master Q. Rather than posting the image...I'll just link it...don't want it to take too much away from our main focus, Ringling. :) I just had to share heh...

http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~atso/omq20020201.gif

[ScatteredLogical]

My suggestion was pretty much in name only....dada's got a good idea that's been very successful elsewhere...General stuff is poison...

[ScatteredLogical]

And IBC makes a fantastic cream soda....

Ringling Ringling Ringling Ringling </relevanceinsurance>

[Red_Rook]

i got an accpetance letter into the illustration program :)

but ill prolly do the core year somewhere else cause i cant afford it, and then transfer :/ but its cool to know i got in anyway :D so look out for me in about a year :)

[Andoo45]

Hello again peoples! I've been browsing the thread nonstop, but haven't posted anything in a while. :] I was not accepted, but I am waiting untill they compile the waiting list. (Eric said it would be early april). He said that they needed confirmation and stuff from all the other people who got accepted so that they can see if they have any new open slots right off the bat. I am however, also applying to Digipen in Redmond Washington. It has a very good program as well, so I'm very excited about going there too! I'm probably mailing the portfolio to them in the next few days. Anyway, I'll do another post once I find out about the waiting list. I'm thinking if I'm not in the top 5 people, I'm not gonna get in. Nice seeing the progression of this thread, its really awesome that you're all forming this group before you even get there. :D

[jejuhorse]

Andoo i hope you really get in good luck :)

And that sketchgroup really sounds like a great idea i gotta start getting busy drawing :D
these days i don't know what i should draw so..sketchgroup sounds awesome!
oh for me on Ringling I extended my decision to May 1st i called them couple minute ago and try to check if they got my mail but..no ones there yet

Oh and Hett did you get my caricature that i sent? :D
I think I should've drawn the other part of the arm but i guess i got to lazy or something heh
and Hett Good Luck with the Apartment Hunting :D
You should try to get somewhere close to Ringling Hehe so we can comeover XD

And i think i'm going to take my bro's car to Ringling :D
so i guess i don't have to worry about getting a bike or such

one thing that worries me is that when i go to Korea this summer you know how July is like the most important time where all those letters and information about Ringling comes but i have to go to korea this summer so..hmm...i should like ask the admission office if i they can send those letter to me to korea :D heh that would be cool~

Oh Sula I had some Cream Soda yesterday :D but from Miejers though
from a cheap brand hehe but it still tasted good ^^V

[Hett15]

Jejuhorse I got your picture and saved it in my email so I will download it when I get home.

Andoo good luck with Digipen, that really is another great school. I hope you get in there and make it through the Ringling waiting list.



What is this cream soda you people speak of. Sounds delicious! :P

I personally am a big fan of rootbeer floats in frosted mugs! :vodkamachine:

[jayneko]

Bah. Do the Dew!!!

Congrats on making it, Red Rook! :D One more four our CA.org list!

Andoo, best of luck! :D Keep us posted eh?

And the sketchbook idea sounds nifty. ...So we start now or what? XD

[ScatteredLogical]

Redbook > How many years do you take at Ringling then?

Andoo and Jeju > Do legitimate acceptances making extensions push how far back the waiting list people start getting to take slots?

[sula_nebouxi]

Congrats Red_Rook :) It's too bad you won't be joining us...good luck though!

And I think it's possible that the extensions will push back the wait for the waitlisted people. So...some may not know whether or not they've been accepted until May. I don't know if they'll accept waitlisted people while waiting on the people who filed extensions. Since they might end up admitting more people than they have room for.

PS Cream soda is the drink of the gods. It cannot be beaten...unless you make it a cream soda float, I think I'll be in heaven. Ooh...must buy ice cream now.

I'm all for the sketchbook idea...when do we start? :)

[CatHicks]

We'll be getting our rooming information in the mail sometime next week.

I hope I made it into Keating in time. x_x I really don't want to be Appleton/Idolson/Harmond... or the Cove. Too far away.

Welcome you new people! Can't wait to see you in CA!

How's the collage coming Hett?

[sula_nebouxi]

We're getting our room info next week? Really? I heard we wouldn't get our assignments until June or July...At least that's what the timeline said on the RSAD welcome site...I think me and Jay are getting stuck in Apple/Idel/Harm unless some upperclassman decides to live off campus(which I really hope happens)...In that case we'll get put into the Bayou since we're transfers w00t! *crosses fingers*

Oh and Cat...I added you to my LJ friends list, I want to see the purty art :P

[CatHicks]

^ I've been talking back and forth with the offices trying to get more info on credits and they said to be expecting a letter within the next week regarding room info.

I now understand why everyone was talking about loans/grants so much a few pages back. I've just now realized that the money situation is really bad. I had a talk with my dad about all of this this past weekend. My family can't afford it. If I don't find some good grants/scholarships soon I'll be going to CalArts. :[

*edit* Ooo I'll add you back Sula!

[jayneko]

Aw, get a loan! o_O You have to go Cat, else I'll never color as good as you in Photoshop. ;E

Imma looking for some more financial aid links I think I haven't posted.. Ill update later wiff them.

What we need is a "Save our Ringling Students!" fund or something to get donations.

......

Not a bad idea.... >_____>

And add me too Cat! :p Been waiting for like...days now. ;)

[jejuhorse]

That would be A Great Idea Jay! hehe
i just called Ringling and confirmed that they extended my decision making time till May 1st
But as i get my Financial aid result i'll probably decide right away
It's all on my financial aid...if i don't get any from it then...argh...maybe a different school... :er:
Same as our family my parents can't afford all that tuition so...it's all about financial aid and loans..and jobs..

cream soda float sounds really good~~!!^^
i have some rootbeer at my house but no icecream:(

Edit: Me too Cat :D you're in my list but i think i'm not on yours :)

[hunter]

you did the fafsa stuff right cat?

and why calarts? its even more expensive, unless you got some scholarships there

[EccoXile]

alright then, cream soda is the official :yayca: ringling drink. :P

i've never had it with ice cream....i feel like thats a sin now.

and cat >O you havveee to go to ringling. do whatever it takes, sell your soul :D i would. >:D

[CatHicks]

I knoooow! I think I'll rob a bank. Or strip. Or something.

you did the fafsa stuff right cat?

and why calarts? its even more expensive, unless you got some scholarships there
Yeah I did. We're one of those families that arn't poor enough to get a good amount of loans but arn't wealthy enough to actually afford to make up what else is needed. Gah! And yes, CalArts is giving me more to go there than Ringling is.

I told my dad, "I thought you didn't want me to be so far away!" and he said, "Well, don't most people work out there when they graduate anyways?" Ack! It's like the money thing has totally changed his mind! Mom on the other hand wants me at RSAD. We've got everything confirmed with Ringling whereas everywhere else is still just like, "Umm... Hello? Miss Hicks?" Maybe I should just throw away any letters and hang up phone calls from CalArts and SCAD until their confirmation deadlines expire... then I'll HAVE to go to Ringling! Muahahhahahah!!!

Eep! I need to know your lj user names! Jayneko I added you last night I'm pretty sure. Or maybe that was you, jejuhorse. My journal used to be where everyone could see it but then all of the sudden people started to steal my sketches that I would post, color them and call them theirs. :( So now I have it so where only nice people can see. Haha!

[Hett15]

How's the collage coming Hett?

Now that I have about 5 pics I am going to start it.
Cat...send me yours ONE MORE TIME please. I can't even explain where the second one went. It was in my inbox and then the next day it was gone. Don't ask. I'm half-stupid I've been told.

and Cat ... GO TO RINGLING! (or CalArts if you really have too...)

[CatHicks]

LOL! Don't worry. if you're "half-studpid" then I'm all stupid. I'll send it right now.

[sula_nebouxi]

Cat! You gotta come to Ringling! Do whatever it takes! Tell your dad that CalArts is the debil! Take out a massive loan...that's all you really can do...I'm sure your parents can contribute something. You should be able to borrow something from the government and they should give you *some* kind of grant. Worse comes to worse you can take out a loan from a lending institution. Your parents will need to cosign it. But, if you can work during the summer or in the work study program you can earn enough to pay back the loan during the school year. Just be careful to look at the fine print and see how much you need to pay each month. Either the minimum is just interest or interest+small amount of principle. You can make this work! There are options. Don't let this stand in the way ;)

Oh and my LJ username is the same as my username here :P sula_nebouxi heh

Ooh ooh...yes it's official, cream soda is the official drink of all ringlingers ;) And we will all ritualistically drink it while we are there...muahahaha...

Hett! I suck at coloring! And I'm studying for an exam tomorrow! I might finish it thursday night...Sorry :( :^^;:

[jayneko]

Darn. Out-numbered by the cream soda people...

*Will keep Mountain Dews under his bed..sniff*

S'ok Ecco! I've never even HAD cream soda. ;) ...But now I want ice cream.

I knoooow! I think I'll rob a bank. Or strip. Or something.

Heh. XD I'll help. :P I still think fund's a good idea, tho... XD You might be surprised!

And as for the sketchbook..I think I'll start tonight if I find anything interesting to draw. *Goes get his pencils*

[EccoXile]

:O:O:O now thats sin. we just have to teach you to like something new.
i dont drink pop very often...they taught me bad things in anatomy class...

so are we going just a bunch of single sketchbooks or a group one to start...whats the final decision?

[Hett15]

Well it's getting started. Hopefully more people will join...



http://home.comcast.net/~hett15/Ringling_Group_500x1000.jpg

[ScatteredLogical]

I'd send a pic, but I'm still on the waiting list...maybe you can stick it in and put it at 50% transparency? :P

And there are limits to loans no matter what institution you get it from; it isn't as if Ringling went "Oh it's 43 instead of 33" at the last minute it would only be a matter of turning up the knob on whoever was loaning us money... all I can do for you Cat is pray...and I seriously just did...I wish you the best of fortunes in whatever's the best thing to happen to you, happening...And may you find and/or get lent oodles...

[CatHicks]

This thread is so inspiring.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/cathicks/nooooscad.jpg

Hahaha! Hey don't worry jayneko, I like Mountian Dew too.

Hey, thanks for your advice and thoughts guys! That means a lot. I'll pass the loan info onto my dad. I've been filling out forms at fastwebs everynight for the last several days. I feel so pitiful. Haha! I'll keep you all updated.

[sula_nebouxi]

You're welcome Cat. Ringling wouldn't be the same without ya. :) Haha! nice drawing :) I like the cameo appearance of the cream soda :P

Heh...I've created a monster. Cream soda has made it's way into everything. Now it's only fair that we should have an official food too! Any suggestions? I would like to nominate Big Ed's Ribs, but I don't think any of you guys here have ever had it :P It's a New Jersey thing heh. Best ribs in the world!! So tender...the meat comes right off the bone and the sauce is just right. Not too much, not too little. I can eat a whole rack...so good...

But for now...it's all you baby...*drools*
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~atso/stewarts%20cream%20soda.jpg

[hunter]

cat: were you the one that got the full ride to SCAD? i'd take it personally. its still a good art school and a full ride there is better than a lifetime of debt. its up to you though.

also: cream soda is terrible

[Avelena]

*pets the cream soda* Shh, don't listen to him, you're the best.

Idea for official food: buffalo wings, cause they make me a happy April!

Cat: It'd be awesome for you to go to Ringling, if it doesn't work out though SCAD and Cal art are excellant schools too.

Ohh, the group pictures lookin good, I should put something together for it but my pad's fighting me right now.

[jayneko]

Aw, that's great Cat. XD
Well, think about it. A full ride IS a full ride, but your education's more important than money. Although with your talent I know you can make it anywhere! ^_^

And I still can't CG. *Cries*

In any case, I heard about the RSAD cafeteria serving green hot dogs on St Patricks... What can be a better official food then green wieners? ;)

Well, I've been trying to start the sketchbook..but...nothing comes out. What do you guys do to get inspired? It feels horrible not..feeling like...anything... bleah. I need to get to rsad soon...too bored.

...I need a tablet. XD

[sula_nebouxi]

If I had to choose between CalArts and SCAD, I'd choose CalArts heh. It'll be a hard choice for you, Cat. That goes without saying. Go to a school that's giving you a full ride or go into $100k of debt. It'll only be a lifetime of debt if you only make minimum payments all the time :P CalArts is a great school. If worse comes to worse, go for it :) But we sure will miss having you around heh. We all know you'll do great whereever you end up. Who knows...we might even end up working with each other one day :)

P.S. come to Ringling ;)...hehe just kiddin...do whatever's right for you :) Follow your heart wherever it takes you(cliched I know...)

PPS Cream soda is awesome. It's more awesome than monkeys in zoot suits. And pirate ninjas...with peg legs and parrots named Salty Bob.

[EccoXile]

ribs and buffalo wings. blech. hmm, good food....i like fish :bashful: haha. ill leave the official food to you guys. and that stewarts looks yummy.

jay: just draw! doenst matter what, you can just make scribbles and see what comes out of it.
personally inspiration for me, is from a good story. be it a movie, book, from my friends. jsut something that gets me thinking and the thoughts going. or ill dig through lots of photographs and references and piece stuff together.

*knows too little about scad and calarts to say anything on that subject*

[Hett15]

CAT


I say screw SCAD,
Consider Cal Arts,
but fight for Ringling.

I know there are other great schools out there, but you must consider other factors. SCAD is known for being in pretty ghetto area that is somewhat dangerous among other horror stories about the campus and administration. The animation program is also (in my opinion) not quite up to snuff when compared to Ringling and others if you want the best training and chance for employment after graduation, (although Larry L. is a great teacher there). it is a great school for sequential art and fine arts, and the animation program is good, but there is a reason why they are giving you a full ride and other schools aren't. Do you want to be THE best in your program coming in? Or do you want to see others better then you and work your way to the top and improve among peers that will challenge you even more then you think you could be challenged.

Cal Arts is known world wide as a great animation school, and you should feel good about getting a scholarship there. It is a tough place to make it into, but (so I have heard) the program is falling a little behind in the technology aspect. You will have wonderful teachers there as well, and you will be close to the animation industry, and it is an all around great school, but I am not totally sold on there Computer Animation program there, since they are so deeply entrenched in traditional and "experimental" animation. The technology training and equipment is getting better though (I have also heard).

Ringling is emerging (if not already at the top) as a world leader in outputting fantastic animators. I think that Cal Arts and Ringling are equal when it comes to the training you get, included with all the other courses (story, concept, & character design, etc...) that prepares you for all aspects of becoming an animator and working in so many other facets of the industry, but... I think that Ringling has an edge when it comes to the Computer Animation aspect of it. Ringling has made large investments in developing this computer animation program and in the new age of animation in the market place, computer animation has established itself as a contender that will never go away. I'm not thinking about 2D vs. 3D as a reason to choose Ringling, but from what I can tell about your skills as an artist already, you won't need much more training in 2D and I think you will be able to benefit your career as an animator more if you choose a school that will enhance your skills to a whole new level and will give you the tools and training needed to succeed. Not to mention the great career assistance services for grads and post grads. (I should be a sales person for Ringling! Ha ha ha) It is a pricey investment, but in the long run I think it would be very well worth it. Do what you must, but don't back down from a challenge just because there is an obstacle in your way. Find away around it. There is always a way if you try hard enough and look at it from enough angles. Don't let your parents sway you if this is what you want. Prove to them that you can do it. Earn there faith in you that you will succeed at Ringling. I am married (which means no $$ help from mom and dad) at 23 years old and we make less then $30, 000 right now, but we are finding ways to make it. It is doable and you will be able to pay it all off. An investment in your education is not a bad thing.



and that's what I have to say about that.

sorry if you had to look up into the sun to see me standing on my soap box.

[ScatteredLogical]

I'm not thinking about 2D vs. 3D as a reason to choose Ringling, but from what I can tell about your skills as an artist already, you won't need much more training in 2D

I don't see it as that much of a ladder...more of a cycle...if it is a ladder though, I'd bet it's higher than the soap box in the sun :blahblah: If every old decaying zombie of a Biblical-age animator says they still have more to learn, perhaps we as students have a ways to go before the intermediate level is within our grasp. Unless you simply meant getting "enough of a grip" to be able to handle 3D firmly with a 2D foundation. Do you have any animation of those drawings? I'm with Hett, they look very supple in stills; how do they move?

[Hett15]

SL I'm not saying that you can ever learn everything about 2D animation. I'm suggesting that at the level she is already at in charcter design and drawing skills she will do very well in 2D i would assume and I would think that after the training Ringling will give us, she will be even better. With that foundation she should be able to use it to her advantage in 3D computer animation and I think that Ringlnig is a great place to make that transition. I think of it as a ladder system. Its about learning the art form and then switching up the tools.

I am a firm believer that the best animators are usually good at traditional animation and have a firm foundation in life drawing and observational drawing. Then computers are incorporated and used as another tool once the artist has a grasp on what animation is and how objects move, act, react, and give the illusion of life. There are some wonderful 3D artist/animators out there that can't draw with a pencil to save there life, but they are fantastic on a computer (that's their tool of choice I guess). They made it, that's great for them. I still think they lack some necessary skills though to be the best.

[Hett15]

http://www.dpsu.com/AWMug.jpg http://www.outbacksteakhouse.co.jp/images/menu/ribs_barbie.jpg

and this my friends is a real drink!!!
and my favorite food in the world..Outback Steakhouse Ribs!

[ScatteredLogical]

I was talking about 2D and implementation of time, not the transition, because I agree with you in transitioning from 2D to 3D. I knew that the intepretation would come up which is why I talked about it in my post; nonetheless those are very different conversations.

I'm surprised no one's suggested the obvious: Onion Ring(ling)s!

[jayneko]

*Laughs* XD Hehehe. .. Now I'm hungry.

All this talk about soft drinks, too... Best drink > Orange Juice.
*Is all about citrus*

Anyhow. Must find a way to make this post relevant...

http://cctvimedia.clearchannel.com/wxxa/onion%20rings.jpg

We should all suggest these dishes to the rsad cafeteria!

[CatHicks]

Cat: It'd be awesome for you to go to Ringling, if it doesn't work out though SCAD and Cal art are excellant schools too.
.
I know CalArts is great... SCAD is not NASAD accredited though. And their teacher/student ratio for CA is like 300 to 1. Haha, well it's not that bat but it's not as good as Ringling.

Aw, that's great Cat. XD
Well, think about it. A full ride IS a full ride, but your education's more important than money. Although with your talent I know you can make it anywhere! ^_^

And I still can't CG. *Cries*
Thank you! That's what I said! Ringling's worth it! And YES YOU CAN CG!

If I had to choose between CalArts and SCAD, I'd choose CalArts heh. It'll be a hard choice for you, Cat. That goes without saying. Go to a school that's giving you a full ride or go into $100k of debt. It'll only be a lifetime of debt if you only make minimum payments all the time CalArts is a great school. If worse comes to worse, go for it But we sure will miss having you around heh. We all know you'll do great whereever you end up. Who knows...we might even end up working with each other one day.
I used to really want to go to SCAD back in grade school then started to do some research and found that Ringling was like, far far better. If I can't go to Ringling I'll be going to CalArts. Which is cool but I still really want to go to Ringling. And yes! It would be great to work with you someday!

I say screw SCAD,
Consider Cal Arts,
but fight for Ringling.
That is so... what's in my head right now. I've made it clear to my parents that I do not want to go to SCAD. Like you said, I want (and need) more of a challenge. SCAD is..eh.. really not my kind of school, I guess. I've heard to many horror stories. Seen to many bad reels.

CalArts on the other hand is amazing. In my opinion, both RSAD and CalArts are neck and neck when it comes to kick ass animation programs. Though the only CA I've seen come out of CalArts is through that "experimental" animation program you just mentioned. The majority of everything they still do is traditional. And traditional is like.... dead? But I'm still somewhat thrown off because like all of Pixar's braintrust is CalArts alumni. So... yeah.

RINGLING, on the other hand, really IS the number one computer animation school in the country. But I'm not going there to just learn CA... you learn just about everything that goes into making an animated film there. And we will all be learning 2D too so we can do both. It's a more rounded program and I know I'll get more out of it. And Hett, you're such an inspiration! Haha! You've got such faith.

I'll have to comment on all of the other stuff later. I have to go eat Chinese food now. I'll be on later tonight and we can chat.

[jejuhorse]

Originally Posted by CatHicks
RINGLING, on the other hand, really IS the number one computer animation school in the country. But I'm not going there to just learn CA... you learn just about everything that goes into making an animated film there. And we will all be learning 2D too so we can do both. It's a more rounded program and I know I'll get more out of it.

That what you just said gave me a butterflie XD
I cannot wait till i get there :D

[jayneko]

I give you...Ringling's mascot (http://artpad.art.com/gallery/?ie708vggzgc)

Well I WAS bored, and Sula got me addicted to that art..board thingie. XD

[Hett15]

CAT layout a huge pro/con list about CAL ARTS and Ringling and then show it to your parents and show them how much more you want to go to RIngling. They will then tell you they want you to go there to, but they "just can't afford it" That's when they have given up in their heads, but they haven't done the leg work to check around for loans. Go to banks yourself and make appointments and call around. I'll get you a list of some student loan places if you want. I think I have it some where.

[sula_nebouxi]

SCAD not accredited by NASAD? Jeez...yet another reason not to go there :P

CalArts's character animation program does seem to focus on 2d animation. I wouldn't say 2d is dead...it comes up every now and then if it's more 'artful' to have it in 2d. Most animated features have lots of 3d elements in them now. Even anime is slowly incorporating 3d. So yeah...I think it would be a nice advantage to go somewhere where you can learn aspects of animation relevant in today's industry.

What am i doing? I'm preaching to the choir here...:P I'm sure all of you guys know how great Ringling will be, so I don't really need to keep on blabbing :)

Couple of things...
Cat- Are you eating General Tso's chicken? :P And did your LJ background come from Eric Drobile's Merry Melony or something?
Hett- Now that's dedication :) Props to ya. Now I gotta get me a picture of Big Ed's ribs...just thinking about them...ooh yeah...
Jay- Armadillos are cool :) Now where's that recipe I found...
jeju- me neither ;)

Oh and this one's for you Hett...lip-smackin good, Big Ed style:
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~atso/b9.JPG

Ok I think I'm done...ooh ooh! wait! revelation! I just had an idea for a drawing...gonna write it down and start later. Just so ya know...Cat inspired this one ;) wink wink nudge nudge....know what I mean? I'll see if I can get it done on the weekend(and the caricature too :P). I'll post it up when it's done :)

Heh...I'm done now...later all.

[jayneko]

Sula.. Is that a plantain? ....you HAVE them up there???!

*Thank GOD!* Now that's good eating.

Ringling should have a Cooking minor now. ;)

[ScatteredLogical]

The majority of everything they still do is traditional. And traditional is like.... dead? Don't forget to pack a little foresight.

And if you wind up going to CalArts, there are far worse fates than being focused into such a 2D beast you can hand everyone their ass just by willing the lasers to shoot from your ears. If the studios themselves tell you software training isn't as important as learning the fine arts and traditional principles aspect, and that most of them use proprietary versions of off-the-shelf products (so to speak) I'd almost rather go to a 2D school and teach myself the software. Personal preference though.

Just consider that, though. Ringling has the beast of a career center to assist you, but schooling isn't required to create a reel and aside from the 'professionalism' kick they sell in the catalog, your personality as the other requirement to get hired kinda comes free. Just that most people need it to let them in on how to not suck at the content of their productions =)

So if you can go it alone, going to either top-tier school will make the process that much easier...

[sula_nebouxi]

That's not a plantain ;) It's buttered garlic bread hehe. I don't think it would match the rest of the food...It's tasty but...steak and plantains? Hmm...maybe that wouldn't be so bad after all :P

Heh plantains are everywhere here...I see them in supermarkets all the time. Big green monstrous bananas ;) hehe

on a side note: ARG! friggin AIM!! I hate you!!! Die now!!!

[ScatteredLogical]

You too!? What, was the server cluster hit by a warhead? I had to try three different versions of AIM Express on their webpage before I connected, only to see that one person on my list managed to survive whatever's going on.

[Pixeldragoon]

Same here! The heck is going on ?

And I vote Yoshi berries.

[CatHicks]

Woot! I gotta catch up!

Do you have any animation of those drawings? I'm with Hett, they look very supple in stills; how do they move?
I don't have any animation of "Cat", no. The animations that I've done in digital film can't leave the lab until after classes end. :( Sad.

I am a firm believer that the best animators are usually good at traditional animation and have a firm foundation in life drawing and observational drawing.
ME TOO. That's why I'm so crazy about getting better at life drawing.

jayneko that's a great doodle of Rembrandt the armadillo! So cute.

Hett15 that's an AWESOME idea. I'm going to get to work on that. Thank you1

sula_nebouxi, yes my lj background IS from Merry Melony. Used with permission. Eric Drobile goes to Rinlging by the way.

And AIM seems to be working for me. Strange.

[ScatteredLogical]

What are the digital film anims of?

[CatHicks]

A bunch of different things. We have different projects every week. The animation part of it is for beginners so they arn't anything really big. They are things ranging from a ballon floating down and "dancing" across a street to a little girl doing exercises by bending down and touching her toes. We're touching on all the different principles.

Right now we're doing smearing and I'm animating a guy getting punched in the face.

[ScatteredLogical]

I LOVE smears. For me it was one of those big things to really get "why" something was done, why it worked, and how it could be used all at once...and it just feels good when you've made one work yourself (especially if it has any complexity) because it's so goshforsaken cartoony!

[CatHicks]

^ Yes! It's so funny to sit back and look at one of your key drawings because it looks so strange by itself as a still. Only once everything is put together it makes sense. Smears are one of those things that really only work best in animation. Haha!

[Hett15]

For anyone needing loans try http://www.salliemae.com/

(also from the RSAD website)

Ringling School of Art and Design cooperates with Academic Management Services [AMS], an organization which assists in managing all or part of yearly college costs. For a nominal annual processing fee, AMS participants can pay college costs in convenient monthly installments, with no interest charged. Because payments for fall semester begin in July, which is prior to your attendance at Ringling School, it is important to enroll in the program as soon as possible. Complete details are available by contacting the Office of Student Billing at 941.359.7511 or by calling AMS toll-free at 800.635.0120.
How do I figure out how much to budget with AMS?

For 2004-2005, tutition and fees [not including room and board] for a first-year student is $22,115. This amount with room and board, less any financial aid, if you are a recipient, will determine your yearly AMS contract amount. However, you may contact AMS as early as May to establish an estimated contract. Please remember to budget with AMS for the full academic year. By enrolling in the AMS monthly payment plan, your student account receives a credit each semester for the amount of the semester budget. Student Billing will credit your student account in advance of making all of the AMS payments. Student Billing can provide assistance for determining the contract amount.

I am on the AMS monthly payment plan. Why is there a balance on my account?

If you are on the AMS monthly payment plan and a balance due still remains, you may have under-budgeted your contract. Student Billing will review your account with you to determine the amount outstanding. You can pay this amount directly to the School or contact AMS to increase your contract.




and a reminder
When are payments due?

Fall Payment: July 12 for new students • August 8 for returning students.
Spring Payment: December 10.

[ScatteredLogical]

I think that same site says the Ringling AMS year has 10 months. If I use that program, my problem then becomes finding 3300 a month. If one is that resourceful, does one need such a program...

I think this is the part where I've missed something glaringly obvious...

[Hett15]

I will check on this but usually loans have a 10 year repayment plan of 120 payments.

AMS does have something on the site that says typical AMS years are 10 months. This link tells you about the AMS payments

https://secure.tuitionpay.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TuitionPay.woa/23/wo/Qg5vLZiaXeLC2z8WlaCILRtrlRC/15.2.9.7.13

Try this calculator to see what is feasible for all of you

https://secure.tuitionpay.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TuitionPay.woa/23/wo/Qg5vLZiaXeLC2z8WlaCILRtrlRC/6.2.9.9.0

[ScatteredLogical]

I tried the calculator, and all I saw was a giant graphic of a mallet. What gives? :wink:

[Pixeldragoon]

Yay!!! Digital Three Gallery Show Today! Whoot!

[jayneko]

Have fun there! :) Tell us how it went.

[Pixeldragoon]

It was awesome! I got tons of free gummi works and oreos and sprites an cokes, nad the work was really interesting, but alot of people, almost half didn't finish their work for it, and most of those peeps didnt even come, so it wasnt EXTREMLY full, but it wass pretty jammed. There were like, 23 people their, and it was some pretty cool stuff. And I got a nifty shirt that I am going to scan.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/KHCloud/BAIT.jpg

Here it is!

[CatHicks]

Very cool Pixel! Did you take any pictures?

[Pixeldragoon]

Sadly enough I dont have a camera ='(

[razuel]

I emailed this to an illustration student at ringling, but I'll post it here as well,

I'm currently a junior in high school and it's about time to start getting my portfolio ready and decide what I want to major in, in art school. I love to draw, but I want a stable career. RSAD is my first choice for a school, but there' s a huge distance and a lot of money. My question is, what kind of career can I get into with an illustration major? Is it hard to find a stable job in illustration? What do I need to do to prepare-- besides draw like crazy? What other majors would you recommend looking into for someone who loves traditional art, but wants a stable career?

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

[sula_nebouxi]

I know that for the comic industry, the competition is cutthroat. There will be scores of incredible artists looking for work. Then there are the elite that have the jobs come to them. Alex Ross comes to mind. They have to put out quality work at breakneck speeds. Much like any art industry now that I think about it. There isn't much stability unless you have a unique, appealing style that you can churn out consistantly.

There are plenty of jobs out there for illustrators ranging from comic strip artists, to concept art to children's book illustration. I think most want to get into concept art after Ringling but they have to compete with some serious veterans. I think the only way you'll have a stable career is if you're one of the best. Feng Zhu would be a good example.

And of course, there's teaching. That's sure to be a stable career. The pay sucks though.

Hope that helps some.

[razuel]

It does, I don't think there's any chance I'll ever be that good. Teaching was actually my last resort, but I do like to teach classmates. Is there any job like advertising or something along those lines that need an illustration major? Is graphic art any more stable?

[dadamafia]

how much do you think they get teaching.

[Hett15]

Well our trip to Ringling got post-poned a week due to inclement weather on firday. We were all set and ready to go, but the interstate was flooded and we didn't want to try leaving early on saturday because we would still have to drive 6 hours and we would miss a big cuck of our day. So next week it is.

razuel there are plenty of art-related jobs working for smaller companies in cities other then L.A. and New York. I checked out your sketchbook and that first pic looks really good. Remember all of those big name artist had to start somewhere. I guess you could also think that every day an artist dies somewhere, but everyday a new artist is born to fill their place. There are jobs out there. Advertising agencies have storyboard artists, concept designers, and a couple of other art posistions. Usually the "art" department in a smaller agency is a person or two that handles all the art stuff so you have to be diversified in what you know how to do, and be good at all of it. Arcitecture firms also have people that all they do is illustrate what the finished design will look like. There are technical illustrators that design components and parts for machines and cars and stuff like that. So many things out there.

[ScatteredLogical]

There's also going into business for yourself. Or even just doing a ton of minor contracts for local businesses.

Just like the most successful Flash animators are those who use actual animation knowledge instead of riding the clips/symbols wave by default, if you got a Ringling-ized illustration ability and applied it to small-pond situations, they'd beat down your door to have you doing their work. At least you can bank on that until the Next Big Thing for You comes along...

[razuel]

if you got a Ringling-ized illustration ability and applied it to small-pond situations

What do you mean by that-- small pond situation?

[sula_nebouxi]

I think he means, taking the skill learned at Ringling and using it for smaller projects. Instead of fighting with well-known artists for a job, you work on a lesser-known project in the hopes of someone noticing your work and hiring you. Hey it happened to the guys who made those damn spongemonkeys, and the "Ho-kay...." guy.

[ScatteredLogical]

Local/regional work is never as dominated as hotspot areas. It sounds funny, but while all the big fish (like you in a few years) are chasing after the big fish FOOD, you could go after what there's less of a fight for (because we're all so good at having our eye on that major prize) and waltz in there and blow everyone away.

Nobody at Whereyoulive Family Medical Center is expecting divine levels of talent, and -you- can bring it to them whilst everyone else is concerned with fighting over the same piece of More Obvious and Grandiose Targets! (That might be a bad example, I'm trying to be loftier than Al's Meat Market hehe)...

I wasn't necessarily saying donate your time for experience, I just meant settle for less glory and gloss in the meantime so you can afford to survive as 95% of the crowd kills themselves off tirelessly pursuing saturated market toys, and work your way up...

[CatHicks]

Hey it happened to the guys who made those damn spongemonkeys, and the "Ho-kay...." guy.
Are you serious? That's nuts!

[sula_nebouxi]

Heh yeah...Quiznos hired the guy who made the spongemonkeys "We love tha subs!" and Nike hired the Ho-kay guy "And they're like wtf mate?"

Check it out here:
http://www.nike.com/usa/nikesphere/

[jejuhorse]

Haha! those guys are Hilarious! hehe
I have no clue what those are related with quzinos subs...
but they are funny and that's all it to it :D
Kinda bazzare though...heh

[CatHicks]

I remember watching the spongemonkeys before the sub ads came out.

I never knew about the "End of the World" guy getting commissioned by Nike. That is too awesome. Thanks for that link!

[CalicoRabbit]

Hey all, been lurking about for a while and thought I'd jump on and say that I got in to the CA program too, woohoo.

Anyways, how is everyone's financial aid coming along? Have any tips you'd like to share? I've heard that haggling with fin. aid people will get you more money, is this true?

Also, does anyone know if they announce the name of the presidential award (that is the name right) winner so we can all see their work?

Hope to see you all soon!

-Jonathan

[ScatteredLogical]

Yah, let's all find out who he is so we can tear his work apart /m\ Teasing, of course...

I have my own interesting Ringling news...stay tuned...

[jayneko]

Congrats Calico, and welcome to our troop! :yayca:

Hrm..They SHOULD have sent all the finaid letters last friday..but you never know. Maybe take an extra week or two. Has anyone else gotten finaid letters thus far? And congrats in advance to whoever got the prezzie scholarship! XD

I did start a lill sketchbook to get a bit better before rsad starts. Didnt post any old works there...just because. XD If anyone wants to post a crit and such (please do!), the thread is here:

Jayneko´s Sketchbook of stuff! (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41989)

Danke!

[Velo]

I know the presidential and other "merit" award scholarships have all been decided, I was told letters were mailed at the end of last week. I'm not sure when, where and if they make an official announcement though... I know because the financial aid officer quickly scrolled down a list and told me that I didn't get it. :( Sorry, I didn't catch any of the names that were on it!

Oh, and I found out about the overloading question. Patricia in registration told me that you are allowed to take 11 classes per year for the normal tuition, which means you can overload one term. In order to graduate you have to do it once, it's scheduled for your second sophomore semester. As she put it "You could also overload one semester of the other three years, if you were crazy enough".

Aaaand.. I met with Tom Casmer, who is the head of illustration. He told me about some pretty big changes coming down the pipes. He said that they are dropping two of the first year core classes and replacing them with classes within your major. He said each department is deciding what new classes to add or how they want to change their curriculum. He also mentioned that they are adding a painting concentration and minor, which may become a major before too long. Illustration majors are also going to be required to take a graphic design class, instead of it being an elective. It sounded like there was still alot of talk going on, so details of the whole change aren't very final. Seems exciting though! I am not sure if it is going in place next year, or the year after. If you are planning to transfer in, you may want to call and ask how this could effect what credits you need.

Oh, btw, I found out that I was accepted as a sophomore for next year! Wee!

[ScatteredLogical]

YES! A real live transfer! Phew...not that it applies to me, but it's still good to see a genuine miracle...

[jejuhorse]

I still didn't get my fin aid letter yet :(
i guess i'm gonna call them up tomorrow and check what's going on
gotta see if that letter got sent to a wrong address..like last time about my acceptance letter how first one was sent to a different address..
oh well...gotta see what's going on...can't wait till i call them up tomorrow :D

[sula_nebouxi]

Cool, congrats Calico :)

And Velo, I'm sorry to hear that you didn't get the award...you had some awesome stuff! I'm surprised that you didn't. Jeez, now I really have to see these people's work. But, congrats on getting in as a sophmore :) Damn CA and their overcrowding...

*ponders calling financial aid about presidential award winners and bugging them for money*

[ScatteredLogical]

When you stop and think, not having to take a year of a 33 thousand dollar school is a financial reward of its own!

Any other Ring-lingers played around with Maya PLE yet? I am taking my Lightwave knowledge and applying it to what the school and most jobs are using, and it's been a rewarding learning process in just three day's time... (Plus I have some troubleshooting questions and I'm hoping someone will have broke the same things haha)

[jayneko]

I still don´t get how a year would cost more than 28k.. but eh. ;)

Well, I didnt get any prizes so bleah. ;) Gotta pay for college the old fashioned way! n_n

Jeju-Yeah, you should call and bug them. You need to know how much aid you got to make a decision so it´s in their best interest to let ya know. Don´t just ask when the letter will get there. Go ahead and ask how much you got from grants and scholarships and how much you can get!

Scattered- I´ve tried Maya some. I usually work in XSI, but maybe I can help with your questions. :D

[ScatteredLogical]

I was doing Keating housing (since Velo's avoiding freshman year) based on http://www.rsad.edu/pdf/tuitionnfees.pdf which admittedly isn't for 05/06 but I don't have that information...what changes were made?

$31657.88 was the total bill including fees, room, and board...

Still, whether it's 28 or 33 or anywhere in between, if Velo doesn't get awards anything in that range is expensive and thus a hell of a gift...

[Hett15]

Some good news to tell all, before I go down to Sarasota to look for houses this weekend. My wife went to the bank today while I was working to approve us for the student loan, and they said that we would definately get it as long as we got someone to co-sign it for us. I made a quick call to my Dad and he happily agreed to do it (after a little mocking and humor about how he held my fate in his hands.) Thanks Dad. So it looks like Iam ready to get started! Ringling here I come. Yahoooooooooooo!

[jayneko]

Awsome! :) Good news Hett.

I need to bug Ringling´s admissions a little more for a form I need for the visa and for the loan..I hope they can fill it out soon.. @.@

And you´re right Scattered. Damn hidden fees. :E Ah well. XD

[jejuhorse]

that's awesome hett!!
for me i sent an email to the financial aid office friday and she told me that they sent my letter thursday~~hehehe so i think i'll be able to get it by tomorrow!!!!i'm soooo excited..hopefully i'll be able to get some money~heh

oh hett what company did you go for your student loan?
i think i'm also going to have to get private loan if i want to go to Ringling

hmm....i cannot wait for that result to come~!!!

[Pixeldragoon]

When you guys go, try and find a freshman named Ryland Jones. Tell him Justin from MSA says Hi. I dont care if you have to write it on your spleen to remember, please do though. It'll be so funny cause he wont remember me at first =3. I cant wait though.. I am so incredibly lucky to be able to commute there to shave almost 10k of my tuition... When I go there. Not if, but when. *4 years =(*

And I want to win that Pres. Scholarship. I'll stop at nothing until I get it.

[Hett15]

Testing this link. I'll have a slide show up as soon as I can figure out how to work my website....be patient.


[edit: 1am...I have taken down the links because I can't get it to work right. Sorry i will post some images instead.]

[Pixeldragoon]

Well, post em when ya get em!

[Hett15]

http://home.comcast.net/~hett15/image_2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~hett15/image_3.jpg
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[Hett15]

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[Hett15]

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[dadamafia]

what company did you go for your student loan?
i think i'm also going to have to get private loan if i want to go to Ringling



i was talking to a friend recently about loans and she said its best to get it from the school and not from the bank. there is one specific one from the school she saidd you should get and another you should avoid. im not sure what their names are right now. she said to take it from the school because when you get it from the bank you have to pay it off at all means. when you get it from the school, if you do something good for them, like something that gives them national recognition or such, they can waive the payments for you or some crap like that (so you dont have to pay). dont know if what i said was helpful but i just felt like sharing.

[Hett15]

If you want to see the rest just type in
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and replace the number 36 with any number up to 94 ( I took a lot of pictures :) just for all of you )

[dadamafia]

yay!! pictures!!

[jejuhorse]

Very nice :D
Thank you very much for all those good pictures hett :D

Right now i'm so nervous...
I'm waiting for my mailman to come!!
i'm sure i'll get my financial aid letter today!!!! hehehe
today at school my last 6th hour was so painful
i had like anxioty attack lol
my heart is pounding~! XD

[dadamafia]

by the way, did you find time to go to the ringling museum of art? its pretty cool. its so funny to me though that once you go to europe and see their museums that american museums dont seem as awesome. wierd. i appreciate both regardless.

[jejuhorse]

oh thanx dada
yea i'll try to get much money as possible from school
but i'm not sure if i'll do that PLUS loan though..the parent loan thingy

[Hett15]

I think this one looks really cool because it looks like it was taken in 1957 :) it's number 71
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[Hett15]

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And that's all folks...

I took about 50 more but they were all of apartment interiors and exteriors and stuff. I hope all these pictures don't shut down this thread. I would recommend setting you posts per page to 5 so you don't have to wait for all of them to load every time. Enjoy

By the way we found the place we are going to live in and we signed a lease that is just waiting approval and then we will most likely move in sometime in early July. My student loan got approved, my wife has her final interview for a job this week and everything else is falling into place. Yea Ringling!

for my loan I got a perkins and a stafford loan and then we got a private loan from Bank of America with 5% interest. We haven't finalized it yet, but it has been the best we have seen so far. I want to look into that school loan thing though that dadmafia was talking about.



and this is also the 900 th reply!!!

[jayneko]

Hrm, I didn´t know Rsad offered loans for students.. Any more info on this Dada? :)

And nice stuff Hett! It was worth waiting for it to load. ;) Canñt wait to be there. :D BTW, the loans you´re taking..are you taking a big big one or small ones for each semester? (Stupid question. XD)

[jayneko]

Oh. Forgot to post this.. Not rsad related but...

Sega Fantasy VI (http://www.hcn.zaq.ne.jp/cabic508/rsf/frame1.html)

Just click on new game. Be warned, it´s a big flash file..but definetly worth it if you´re a console geek like me.. :bashful:

[dadamafia]

[IMG]for my loan I got a perkins and a stafford loan and then we got a private loan from Bank of America with 5% interest. We haven't finalized it yet, but it has been the best we have seen so far. I want to look into that school loan thing though that dadmafia was talking about.


when i talk about loans i mean dont go out and get all this crapload of money from the bank or some other loan company. get it from those, i think she said stafford was the one to get (im not sure). im not even sure, let me talk to her again and ill post when im certain cuz i dont wanna misquote her.


by the way, your pics make me anxious to get to ringling. i dont know, i think i have a disease, i cant even focus anymore in school. i think my college gpa might drop at the end of this semester cuz i think i might get a B in my philosophy class. everytime i go to write a paper, i end up either here or on some other art related site. its so sad.

[jayneko]

*Buy lottery tickets* Ah. Guess you mean get fin.aid from the school? ^^;

I can´t. v.v Ah well. And hey, it´s normal Dada. I think. At least it´s happening to me too. ;) All I think of is Rsad now! I hope the average day is as sunny as last weekend, Hett. Looks like you had really good weather there. :) Congrats on the loan and to your wife for the job!

[dadamafia]

just get loans affiliated with the school, thats all... i guess.

[EccoXile]

awesome pictures hett. you guys have no idea how excited im goign to be to see palm treeeesss. im such a dork. and everythings greeen. whilst i sit here and wait no so very patiently for stuff to not look dead.

ugh, i want that fin. letter. i was hoping for today. but ill wait, hopefully tommorow. sometime this week or im calling. my sister got a 1/3 scholarship to milwaukee art school, im hoping i can get something close to that from ringling, or i will whine. :P

[sula_nebouxi]

w00t pics. Thanks Hett :) I particularly like the one where you blurred yourself out and pasted your caricature on top :) hehe. I'm heading down there after Memorial Day so I'll take some pics too. I'll try and get some pics of the dorms and such. I also plan to go to the places you never see pics of on RSAD's website ;) IE, the shared bathrooms in the dorms, the campus post office, and the Burger King across the street heh. I figure pics of those places are just as important ;)

FYI, stafford loans are given by the federal government. First years are lent up to $2000 something per year I think. It increases each year, maxing out at around $5000 per year for juniors and above. If you apply for the Parent PLUS loan and your parents fail a credit check, then your Stafford loan will be increased to a max of $10,000 or something for junior/senior year. I think there's a max to how much you can borrow though. Exhaust all your federal loan options before going to banks or private loan places. The interest rates are much better. Usually they're like 2-3%. I think mine was 2.6% when I took out a bit for Rutgers.

[jejuhorse]

ah thanks for the info sula
i got my financial aid letter today...but not so satisfied
i didn't get any grants cause i'm not eligible...argh >:(
i'm going to get the stanfford loan which is like 2,625 and after that i'm probably going to go to the bank and get a ton of money....
now i started to get very stressful thinking myself of being debt a whole lot...not good...i'm going to try to find a way so when i graduate i won't be so much in debt..probably during summer vacation i'm going to try to work full time and even do the work study thingy...whole well...this is what i really want to do so i'm going to risk everything..hope this will pay off

[Andoo45]

Well, I got into Digipen!! That looks like where I'm going now. It was great meeting you all. This thread was a great inspiration, and I'm sorry I can't share in the experience with you guys, but it's just not my lot in life. :p I'm very excited to go to Digipen, and I really don't feel so bad about ringling anymore. I'll meet up with you guys in 4 years when we're all fighting eachother for jobs to pay off these damn loans and such :wink: >:| Anyway, great thread, and I hope to see you all around on CA.org posting stuff. We need to keep like a running tally of Sketchbooks for college kids. Well, in August we'll all be 2,456 miles apart from eachother, but this website will keep us connected. Anyway, good luck with all your endeavors at RSAD, and good luck with the money. Work hard, and don't give up your spot in CA. :perv:

[jayneko]

Hey Andoo, and congrats! :) Be sure to keep in touch! And yeah, it´ll be great working with all you guys in four years. Good luck up there eh? :D

[ScatteredLogical]

by the way, did you find time to go to the ringling museum of art? its pretty cool. its so funny to me though that once you go to europe and see their museums that american museums dont seem as awesome. wierd. i appreciate both regardless.

It seems like up until the turn of the 20th century all of the really good stuff -came- from other places...So maybe it was "I feel I've seen this before" because it took us so long to get on our feet with unique styles....

[sula_nebouxi]

w00t Andoo! Congrats to ya. :) We knew you could do it ;) Yeah...we'll be 3000 miles away but, meh...there's always CA.org and AIM/Trillian/whatever :P Good luck bud, Ganbatte kudasai :P or...Do your best heh. See ya round :)

[Hett15]

Happy and at the same time a little sorry to hear that andoo. we'll miss you (sort of?) Good luck.

Cat any word yet about your decision?

[Andoo45]

well, there's not as much to miss yet. :D I'll basically retain the same relationship with you guys which is through this site. I'll sorta miss all of you guys too. It would have been fun to congregate under the :yayca: flag at orientation. :D

[ScatteredLogical]

I'm not sorry at all. After a wooden but uplifting mini-essay, they outline some of his classes... It sounds a lot more sincere than most schools, and the only thing it really loses is the well-roundedness of a true liberal arts degree -- but they're accredited as a career school anyhow, so I wouldn't expect that of them.

Here's where you can read it. I have a feeling Andoo + DigiPen = great things.
http://www.digipen.edu/programs/degrees/pa.html

[Hett15]

how many of you got his email? Sounds cool. I kind of wan to do the visual development minor or maybe the game art and design. I'll have my liberal arts already done and some art histories so i might have room for one.



Introducing Hot New Minors and Concentrations at Ringling School of Art and Design!

Immerse yourself in an exceptional education at Ringling School and be among the first to benefit from the latest fields in art and design with new minors and concentrations beginning in the fall of 2005.

Five-course minors will provide a major way to align your future with multiple career opportunities and three-course concentration sequences will broaden the horizons open to you. They help you to pursue in-depth studies in exciting specializations to complement your major. By pursuing a minor or concentration, you will expand your skills and knowledge, diversify your portfolio, and, in many cases, prepare for additional career options.

Visual Development

[Minor and concentration]

Visual Development is one emerging art approach that prepares you for a variety of exciting jobs like Art Director, Concept Artist or Story Artist in an animation or game design studio. You will learn to design characters, environments, and storyboards, which will culminate in final animatics that showcase your knowledge of acting, timing, movement, lighting, and more. These vital pre-production skills are essential building blocks for animation and a required foundation for the concept artist or game designer.

Courses:

Filmic Language and Visual Storytelling

Character and Environment I

Storyboarding

Character and Environment II

Animatics



Business of Art and Design

[Minor and concentration]

In today’s economy, art and design is big business. Really big business. No one knows this better than Ringling School of Art and Design. As a complement to your studio-based studies, the Business of Art and Design minor and concentration will provide you with the business knowledge and skills to thrive as a practicing professional. The curriculum focuses on career paths, marketing and communications, business plans, finance, and the ethics and social responsibility of business. You will work on projects applied to actual business operations with an emphasis on the global marketplace of the Internet.

Courses:

Business of Art and Design I: Survey

Business of Art and Design II: Intro to Web Development

Business of Art and Design III: Entrepreneurship

Business of Art and Design IV: Advanced Web Development

Business of Art and Design V: Marketing and Management



Game Art and Design

[Minor available to Computer Animation majors]

On average, half of Ringling School’s Computer Animation alumni are working in gaming – a multi-billion dollar global industry. This fall, Computer Animation majors will have the option of targeting their demo reels and portfolios to this 10-billion dollar business. You will explore the challenges of creating visual art for gaming audiences and develop a game-based senior thesis as an entry into the world of interactive entertainment.

Courses:

Rules of the Game: Game Design Fundamentals

Games and Society

Concept Development for Games

3D for Games I

3D for Games II



Don’t miss your opportunity to study among the best and brightest in the nation!



Ringling School of Art and Design

2700 North Tamiami Trail

Sarasota, FL 34234-5895

Phone: 1.800.255.7695 [toll-free U.S. only]

email: admissions@ringling.edu

web: www.ringling.edu/

[Hett15]

updated tally
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GOT IN
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CatHicks (CA)
CalicoRabbit (CA)
Father McKenzie (CA)
Hett15 (CA)
JAIR428 (CA)
Jayneko (CA)
jejuhorse (CA)
the horror (CA)
hunter (CA)
Sula_Nebouxi (CA)
kgb (CA)
Avelena (Illustration)
Dadmafia (Illustration)
EccoXile (Illustration)
LeeAlex2005 (Illustration)
RSADHopeful (Illustration)
Red Rock (Illustration)
Velo (Illustration)
WayoftheStrega (Illustration)
Precollege Rob (CA)
Precollege Kendra (Ca)
Precollege Cassie (Photography)
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andoo45 (off to Digi Pen! Congrats!)
scattered_logical (holding on for CA)

ScatteredLogical what's the latest update? Have you heard whether or not you are getting closer to the top of the list? No offense to Andoo, but that is one more spot up the list for you since he is now going to digipen (we wish him good luck).

[jayneko]

I guess Ringling doesn´t offer any summer semesters so people can squeeze a minor in there without going insane for one school year?

Hrm.. One CAN slowly complete the minor during the 8 semesters eh? Say, take an extra class each semester for five semesters? n_n

[sula_nebouxi]

Yeah...I got that email yesterday. I'm not really sure if I want to minor in something right now. Although visual dev. looks interesting. I have most of my liberal arts taken care of and some of my studio courses, so I definetly have the time...so, for the moment, I'm leaning towards yes :)

And Jay, I'm not too sure overloading 5 or 6 semesters is a good idea. Especially in CA. It's bad enough as is ;) Don't need more work piled on heh. Hopefully some of your past courses will transfer over...that might let you take on a minor.

[EccoXile]

i got that too. im really interested in the vis. development as well...but that probably wouldnt be a smart idea....seeing as i have no previous credits and have to take alll the classes. gah, i wish ringling took ap credit.

so i got my financial letter finally....not what i expected. My teacher was rather disappointed, to say the least. But hes still pushing me to do whatever it takes to get there, be it drown myself in loans.Im soo excited...*dies*

[Pixeldragoon]

Miscellaneous post- Just want to say thanks to Hett for compiling that list, despite the fact I'm not on it, but still, it must hjave taken patience reading all the reaplies.

[Andoo45]

Scattered Logical: Yes, I really love the course at DigiPen. That's why it was my second choice. It was basically started as a career school to train animators. Yes, it's not as well rounded since all the courses really pertain to the major, so there's not much room for an off topic minor or electives, but I wasn't planning on going for any of that anyway. :D and thank you. I truly hope and strive for great things at DP. I'm going to give it my all and learn as much as I can. As many have said "You get out what you put in" so I hope to achieve my best. I hope you get into RSAD. :]

Hett: Thanks man! I'm really excited. And no hard feelings about the waiting list thing. :D I'm embarassed to say that I kept thinking the same thing when I was hearing people talking about possibly going to other places, or not being able to afford RSAD. Sorry guys! I'm cut-throat sometimes. :^^;:

I shall be lurking around... :}

[ScatteredLogical]

Nah, cutthroat is talking indecisive people out of the school you want - I saw no such persuasion from you :D

[Hett15]

This is just some usefull and interseting info some of us might like to read about.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/rsad_freshman/

(posted by amarieundomiel)

As a CA major, you can't minor in visual devlopment. apparantly you get all the skills of that minor in the CA program.
Next year's incoming freshmen only take one semester of figure drawing. Spring semester, you get to take traditional Animation I. However, you get the second-grade drawing tables :-P
To compensate for less figure drawing, you'll have 2 Drawing for Animators classes during your curriculum.

(posted by kendraad)
Here's the real scoop: (from Jim McCampbell )

We are in the process of re-organizing the first year experience. The
first step in the process is to enable Freshmen to have an experience
in
the major, and to add an Open Elective so that there are enough (5) to
take a minor if desired. In doing this, it was necessary to temporarily
remove one of the figure classes. That being said, you could still take
that figure class as an elective if you wanted to. There are other
drawing courses available as an elective too. The goal here is to
create
flexibility and options for the students.

Traditional Animation will be started in the Spring of the Freshman
year
now. The reference to the "second grade" tables is not entirely
correct.
First of all, we have not designated which labs these classes will run
in yet. Second, the reference is to the lab that does not have the
desks
we received from Disney Feature Animation in Orlando. Although these
are
indeed nice desks, I can guarantee you that it is the instruction (not
the furniture) that will provide you with an excellent animation
education. The instructors are all first-rate ex-Disney professionals,
and the desks in the "second rate" traditional lab have taught some of
the most famous and successful animators in the business.

Now... let's talk about Drawing For Animators. The purpose of the
current DFA course is to teach students about character and environment
design. It always seems that just as they are getting good at it, the
course is over. Our idea is to create a second DFA course that
parallels
the Animation Preproduction course (the one where students come up with
the idea for their Senior thesis project). That way, students can work
on their ideas, storyboards and animatics in the Prepro class while at
the same time they are working on the visual development aspects for
that project (character designs and environments) in their Drawing For
Animators2 class. The creation of DFA2 is not related to the removal of
one figure class in Core.

As you can see, there is a larger plan in place here. Minors,
flexibility, additional electives, specialized drawing classes... all
of
the positives will far outweigh the lack of one singe figure course in
the Freshman year, and there are usually elective alternatives if you
feel that you would be best served by that path.

Thanks,

Jim."

I guess my thoughts about getting a viz dev minor just went out the window since it is covered in the CA program. Maybe I can retake courses to get stronger in it through electives. Or maybe I'll do the game design thing.

[ScatteredLogical]

The purpose of the current DFA course is to teach students about character and environment design. It always seems that just as they are getting good at it, the course is over. Our idea is to create a second DFA course that parallels the Animation Preproduction course (the one where students come up with the idea for their Senior thesis project). That way, students can work on their ideas, storyboards and animatics in the Prepro class while at the same time they are working on the visual development aspects for that project in their Drawing For Animators2 class. Well played, private art school, well played indeed. *fiddles with imaginary mustache*

[Pixeldragoon]

*Laff at Logical*

[CatHicks]

Wow. Well, I guess if everything is covered in CA then there is no point in a minor in VisDev. Oh well. lol.

[sula_nebouxi]

Cat, you should see my face right now...heh, I'm sure you'll get a kick out of it. I'm gonna post a pic up on my LJ soon. Needless to say...I had an...interesting day at Rutgers.

ooh the suspense...dun dun dunnnn

edit: it's up...check my sig to see my...uh...facejob.

[WayOfTheStrega]

Hey, guys and gals! I've been lurking around here for a while, just kinda waiting for a response from Ringling. Well, after a long, drawn out wait, with a battle over something that was amissin', I got a call today from the admissions office. I've been accepted into the school for Illustration. I'm excited, and I'm currently doing the happy dance.

So now, I will probably see some of you around campus come August. :) YAY!

-Strega a.d.

[Pixeldragoon]

Congrats! I soooo Can't wait for freakin college, a'specially if I go to Ringling!

[EccoXile]

Lurker!!! We thought you vanished. But awesome and congrats, should be seeing ya this fall :) woot.

Gah, gahh. I sent fin aid an email, thinking thats what they like according to the letter I got, but no reply yet. I hope they didnt delete me, or I shall smite. Unless their office is open on weekends...i shall look into this. Im never home during their weekday office hours > <

[kgb]

Hello everyone,
I have decided to go for CA, I wrote previously that it was a toss up between illustration and CA. I am really looking forward to meeting all of you and have fun and stuggle through projects for next 4 years. Now is it august yet?

[sula_nebouxi]

w00t! Congrats Strega. Welcome to the pack.

And kgb, good to hear that you'll be joining us in CA :) It'll be a long hard trek so, the more the merrier :).

Oooh....so basically 1/9th of all accepted students posted here...wow...impressive turnout.

[ScatteredLogical]

That's enough to be a faction...a computer animation syndicate...Muahaha

[Hett15]

Let's get those pictures in people...especially all you newer people that are getting in. Send me a pic of yourself to add to the Ringling group.

[ edit: moved to the RSAD group sketchbook ]

[Hett15]

WayoftheStrega and KGB get me something now that you know you are in. Congrats too.

[WayOfTheStrega]

WayoftheStrega and KGB get me something now that you know you are in. Congrats too.

I shall work on it. :) And thanks everyone for the congrats. I'm definently lookin' forward to attending Ringling this fall.

Strega a.d.

[CatHicks]

I love how the collage is turning out.

[ScatteredLogical]

Very polished, Cat. Really stands out with the construction and shading...

[EccoXile]

okay, i actually think i have...no, wait.no. wait...maybe i do. About how big do you want it hett? I dont think I have anything more than 600 unless i really dig....or find the motivation to make something new....eh heh. I could of course, fidn something of my character thats not so yay im going to ringling...or yay i can hodl a paintbrush. blehhhhhhhhh, no.

So how many of you people have a tablet ? :P

[Pixeldragoon]

I don't =(

Wish I did. Anyways, uh.. Hett... It's Dragoon... heh... *ahem*...

[razuel]

"-To be eligible for the Presidential scholarship(all expenses paid) you must complete your application and submit your FAFSA by March 1st. It goes to one person from each major and depends on your entrance portfolio. It only goes to the best."

What's a FAFSA?

[jayneko]

Free Application for Federal Student Aid.
http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/
Only citizens and perm. residents are able to get any federal aid though.

[ScatteredLogical]

Didn't someone say before March 1st didn't apply to CAs?

Oh, and I have a Wacom intuos2 6x8. Next to my actual lightbox it's probably the only other thing I'm taking to Heaven with me -- scratch that, they probably have an infinite number in stock <3

[Hett15]

Hey people let's get a art thread started over in the sketchbook section. Just art and comments related to the art (and a little banter :) ) You can show off stuff you submitted in your portfolio or show off anything new you have created. I'll start it using the group collage (which I will still add anyone's picture to even if you aren't going to Ringling this year. If you have participated or even lurked on this thread and you are too shy to say much send me an email with your pic attached and put concept art or Ringling in the subject so I don't trash it.

:right: :right: Ringling Group Sketchbook (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42756) :left: :left:

[razuel]

Free Application for Federal Student Aid.
http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/
Only citizens and perm. residents are able to get any federal aid though.


So I wouldn't be eligable for the presidential scholarship if i live out of state?

[sula_nebouxi]

Of course you can, razuel. Jay means people living outside the US don't receive any aid or scholarships. It doesn't matter where in the US you live, you can qualify for the pres scholarship.

[CatHicks]

Awesome idea with the Ringling Sketchbook Hett! I'll have to add some things in there later tonight.

[dadamafia]

i got my first post in at the sketchbook thread. at least i did something for a change.

[dadamafia]

whats the ringling thread like over in livejournal?

[sula_nebouxi]

Just posted there too...little something I did last night.

The Ringling livejournal? Well...the guy who runs it likes to delete posts that are freshman related. Says they clutter up the journal...it's not like they get 100 threads a day...

[jejuhorse]

I would like to post some up but i don't have a scanner...:(
should i just digital photograph it?
my digital camera sux though..:( hehe

[jayneko]

Sure. :) It's better than nothing!

Take the shot straight on, and try to have the flash off so it's not all shiny afterwards. Have some nice flat lighting on it and it should be good enough!

[dadamafia]

@sula- so do u prefer posting in this thread over the other?

[sula_nebouxi]

Oh I definetly like posting here more heh. At least here, I know everyone ;)

[Hett15]

I got another email today!!!!



Dear Hett,

I have even more good news to report about Ringling's School's animation program. Electronic Arts,
the world's leading producer of video games, has made 27 offers of employment to Ringling
students. This includes 10 guaranteed internships a year. Ringling is the only undergraduate
program recognized in this manner by EA. In addition to these fantastic opportunities, EA presented
us with a check for $50,000 to help provide scholarship opportunities for future students.

As you may already know, 50% of Ringling's Computer Animation graduates go into the gaming
industry. Our new minor in Game Art and Design will serve as a re-enforcement to the already
incredibly successful Computer Animation curriculum, a curriculum recognized as the "gold
standard" by the animation industry.

If you have not already visited the Ringling campus, I invite you to do so at your convenience. We
would love to show you our world class animation facility along with the rest of our beautiful campus.
As always, if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Sincerely,


Jim Dean, Dean of Admissions

[CatHicks]

Hett that email gave me chills. I'm such a nerd.

And I'm not even going into gaming.


Anyway, the Ringling lj is pretty cool. The guy who's in charge is a total dick though. But I'm bias in that opinion because of a personal experience.

[jayneko]

Hehe, you beat me to posting that, Hett. ;)

Cool huh? One more reason to be excited about Rsad. Although yeah, I'm more focused on going into the movie biz but.. a job's a job! ;)

I was kind of hoping it would have been info on my visa when I saw "You have received and email from J. Dean." Guess I'll just have to call tomorrow. :P

[ScatteredLogical]

Ringling is the only undergraduate
program recognized in this manner by EA.

I wouldn't throw the UCF/EA hybrid curriculum out of question.

...the already
incredibly successful Computer Animation curriculum, a curriculum recognized as the "gold
standard" by the animation industry.

The? Not even the professional courtesy of a tie? I think the localized PR has gotten to him. It may in fact be the best but there are so many people who'd find that arguable in the face of the other major players I'm surprised he's confident enough to say that.

[Hett15]

I wouldn't throw the UCF/EA hybrid curriculum out of question.

The? Not even the professional courtesy of a tie? I think the localized PR has gotten to him. It may in fact be the best but there are so many people who'd find that arguable in the face of the other major players I'm surprised he's confident enough to say that.

Relax Scattered. He knows he's hyping it. We know he's hyping it and EA knows it too, but in the end the point of the email is a posistive one. EA games is showing interest in the school and thinks highly of it. We don't need to over analyze this. It was sent to incoming Ringling students that are excited about any news they can get from the school. Not very many others will proabably ever see it and so it probably won't generate much debate. if he thinks Ringling is the best...good for him. It's his opinion. I am the best editor on my half of my office. It could be argued, but It's my opinon.

my point being... chill. It is a cool thing to think about for incoming students that might want to get into gaming animation. "best" is a subjective word and we should all take it as one, but it's just an email in the end, let it go.


p.s. and dang it when are you sending me your caricature?

[GBmoomoo]

Hey,
new member. I am currently attending Stetson University but I hate it here. I attended Ringling's PreCollege in 2003 & will be waiting and working my butt off until I get there. This is my only chance now to pursue my dream.

anywho... i havent really produced any art this past year that i would even show my mom...its all crap...or it doesnt exist actually... but there are a few drawings i did. i dont know how to imbed them in the post yet so check it out @ Deviantart: visionless... (http://gbmoomoo.deviantart.com)
holla back!

[ScatteredLogical]

Relax Scattered. We don't need to over analyze this. It's his opinion. I am the best editor on my half of my office. It could be argued, but It's my opinon. my point being... chill. ... it's just an email in the end, let it go.

I wasn't piecing anything apart, and relaxation and chilling couldn't be further from being necessary. This is another case of the online lack of intonation miscommunicating things. Plus I never word things right for this forum =) I simply thought it was interesting, It's not as if I was trying to blow up his spot or anything; I don't have the proper credibility or perspective to do that, and I'm never a person who talks about what they don't know about.

Besides, even if EA offered that to every school in the U.S. everyone here knows where Joe Student would get the creme of the crop version of it. No need to be defensive or over-react, I have nothing but respect for the school. Think of it more like I had read it as a newspaper article, and I was mumbling to myself. It happens. Incidentally, how he feels is an opinion but the exclusion of other schools who participate in similar programs deals with fact. Just as valuable to incoming students could be that there is, for example, another SIMILAR (not exactly the same) program/concept going on at a nearby, cheaper school. When Cat was offered the decision of SCAD or RSAD, she essentially had the same choice to make -- save bunches of money thanks to that scholarship and get something close or hit it full on and go for broke (no Academy Awards pun intended) getting the Real McCoy. But it's dropped now. I hope your day got better since.

No movement on the wait list so far. If I become full-fledged, I'll send one but right now the only thing that would make sense would be 50% opacity lol

[sula_nebouxi]

Well...PixelDragoon's got one in the collage and it'll be 3 more years till he can even apply. It's open to all who applied whether or not they got in ;)

[Hett15]

I wasn't piecing anything apart, and relaxation and chilling couldn't be further from being necessary. This is another case of the online lack of intonation miscommunicating things.

No movement on the wait list so far. If I become full-fledged, I'll send one but right now the only thing that would make sense would be 50% opacity lol

No sweat I wasn't trying to get down on you either. I was just keeping this thread on track. No harm no foul my man. You are as chill as they come :teeth: .

but seriously man! Get me the freaking caricature! I want it by yesterday! 50% opacity would be just as funny. It is a collage of people on his thread, not just fully accepted Ringling students.

[Avelena]

Well, I finally got my tablet back so I might actually be able to get you something for the collage eventually...y'know, when I get ungrounded from the computer.

[supernova_7]

Hey everyone,

I'm a newbie on ca.org, but I love this thread you've got going!

A little about me: I'm a double major in Art Studio and Computer Science ( How bout that combo! :) ) at the Univ of MD, College Park. I just started in on the art side of things this year, so I DEFINITELY feel your pain about developing portfolio work. I'm workin toward the computer animation field...not sure where specifically - film, tv, gaming, etc - I'll leave that decision for a time when I have more experience.

Basically I'm gonna need an MA or some kind of graduate work to get a job cuz I got such a late start. I'm looking for good graduate art programs... Academy of Art is high up there, and I agree that Ringling looks awesome. Does the admissions/portfolio info on here apply to their Grad program as well? Or does anyone have inside info on the grad side of things?

Very curious,
-supernova7

ps. Any crits you have on my portfolio at http://supernova7.deviantArt.com are MORE than welcome!

[Hett15]

Sorry to say, but I am pretty sure Ringling doesn't have any kind of graduate school...yet. Just B.F.A.'s. I already have a B.S. degree in business and I am having to start over as a freshman in computer animation, but it really doesn't matter what letters are on your degree. Just get a good education and in the end have a good portfolio... that will get you a job.

[ScatteredLogical]

Florida Atlantic University is in Boca Raton and they have a MFA in "Computer Arts in Animation." The few times I've been able to find graduated students they're employed and did well while they were at the school. It's an option!

And if it's for threadfolk, you'll get your caricature tonight!

[Andoo45]

aye, maybe that means I should come up with a charicature too? :yayca:

as for graduate school, you may be interested in Gnomon or one of those places that are specifically designed for post graduate studies. Gnomon looks really cool, but I have no info about it since it doesn't really apply to me. You should check it out though.

[CatHicks]

Sorry to say, but I am pretty sure Ringling doesn't have any kind of graduate school...yet. Just B.F.A.'s. I already have a B.S. degree in business and I am having to start over as a freshman in computer animation, but it really doesn't matter what letters are on your degree. Just get a good education and in the end have a good portfolio... that will get you a job.


Really? I could have sworn Ringling offered MFA's in some things.

[Hett15]

Awhile ago I talked with someone at the school becuase I thought I might be able to do the b.f.a. track and get and m.f.a. by taking a few extra classes. the program is so intensive already that there really isn't enough room to get an m.f.a. though and you should be well prepared to get your first job upon graduation anyways. I do not know anything for sure about the other programs, but last I checked Ringling was not accreditted to give out m.f.a.'s yet. Whether or not it is something they are working on, I don't know.

[Hett15]

http://home.comcast.net/~hett15/Ringling_Group_4-22-05.jpg

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[ScatteredLogical]

haha Am I a ghost? Or drawing myself in? Either way I like the additions, especially the noodle-shoulder...

And you -can- be ready at school's end for work, at least as ready "enough" as you're gonna get. After all, there's a proven history of it.

I can personally recommend the MFA at Carnegie-Mellon for animators. You'd have to live in PA, but worse things could happen =)

[OneYouCannotMention]

No MFA program at Ringling.

As for the "gold standard" comment I would say that the program really is when it comes to 3D animation BFA programs and it out shine many MFA programs as well. Name a major animation company or game company and they were on campus in the last month recruiting and hiring CA grads. Companies like Pixar, Dreamworks, Sony Imageworks, Blue Sky, EA, Activision, ReelFX just to name a few and there are more coming.

The industry is hot right now and hopefully it will stay that way.

OYCM

[Pixeldragoon]

I've a feeling that it will. I mean, traditional animation has been around for what- 70 years now?

[ScatteredLogical]

OYCM, how do you see the doubled class size affecting recruiting? With the curriculum as an invariable constant, will the proportions stay the same and thus double the number of competent graduates able to be recruited/hired? Did they ever say what was the impetus behind that decision?

Also, and this goes to everyone, we're always told as students how important connections are. Not that animation is on a "good ol' boy" system, just that it's good to have someone already on the inside to vouch for the authenticity of your talents. In what particular ways does a school get that addressed? Or in the case of recruitment, is it enough to have the knowledge that the students are worth their salt at a curriculum of RSAD's stature, effectively replacing the need for that part of the "reel/personality-and-attitude/connections" triumvirate? It honestly never occured to me with all these schools having companies come hire kids just what role the school plays in building bridges into the industry before and after...and what of those who don't immediately get snapped up. Still opportunities for them as far as getting to know people and get their names out? Or is it an individual effort to self-promote with no school assistance whatsoever... (This is all still in the context of Ringling, by the way, so as to better understand the goings-on)

P.S. Just for fun, I took the challenge and without looking the first company in my head was Activision. Bam, on the list!

[ScatteredLogical]

As an aside, Pixar seems to eat Ringling people up by the spoonful. I don't remember if it was here or on another site, but the character animation spot (and the current animation internship spot) on the job listings at their site always says computer animation experience helpful, but not necessary, instead leading with a request for experience in classical/traditional animation. In accordance with that, how much of any given CA majors' reel includes traditional work? Can they do traditional as their thesis or as a part of it? Is what's included, if any, from those two traditional classes in the curriculum, or usually more out-of-class? Or are they so good that the traditional is evident by their CA enough to satisfy Pixar, thereby eliminating the need for them to prove their skills on paper?

hehe I stay quiet for how long, and boom all these questions to make up for it.

[OneYouCannotMention]

OYCM, how do you see the doubled class size affecting recruiting? With the curriculum as an invariable constant, will the proportions stay the same and thus double the number of competent graduates able to be recruited/hired?

Though we are starting with twice the number we won't end with twice the number the class size never ends up being a full size so if we are doubling the intake the drop or fail rate should be the same.

And actually I see the potential for having a larger cream of the crop on average with the larger class size because people who wouldn't have gotten in usually but have good technical skills will be getting a chance to strength artistic side.


Did they ever say what was the impetus behind that decision?

If you are talking about why we are going larger it is because the school as a whole is trying to grow, we have more space now, we always have the applicants, so now we doing our part.

Also, and this goes to everyone, we're always told as students how important connections are. Not that animation is on a "good ol' boy" system, just that it's good to have someone already on the inside to vouch for the authenticity of your talents. In what particular ways does a school get that addressed? Or in the case of recruitment, is it enough to have the knowledge that the students are worth their salt at a curriculum of RSAD's stature, effectively replacing the need for that part of the "reel/personality-and-attitude/connections" triumvirate?

Though the program has a great reputation in the industy a student needs to their worth/talent on their demo reel. The name might get you noticed more but you have to back it up with great work. We will help you get that great work but we can only do so much.

...and what of those who don't immediately get snapped up. Still opportunities for them as far as getting to know people and get their names out? Or is it an individual effort to self-promote with no school assistance whatsoever... (This is all still in the context of Ringling, by the way, so as to better understand the goings-on)

Unfortunately not all students leave with a job, many do but not all. But the school has a great Career Services and they post job opening as they come up so alumni can always look into there but after a certain point that student needs to do their homework find more companies and come to the conclusion that they make to get a job at a place that was on thier A-list and go for the B or C-list.

[OneYouCannotMention]

As an aside, Pixar seems to eat Ringling people up by the spoonful.

I wish that was true but Pixar can pick and choose from anyone in the world so the competition to get in is huge especially if you are a new graduate fighting againt a world of experienced animators. Last year we had one Pixar hire and one Pixar summer internship; not quite sure what the numbers are this year, too soon to tell.


how much of any given CA majors' reel includes traditional work?

It depends on the student, some do some don't, it depends on how good they were. It is a demo reel so you only want to put your best stuff on it


Can they do traditional as their thesis or as a part of it?

Some have tried with varying success but it's not easy. You really need to plan ahead because it's really twice the work.


Is what's included, if any, from those two traditional classes in the curriculum, or usually more out-of-class? Or are they so good that the traditional is evident by their CA enough to satisfy Pixar, thereby eliminating the need for them to prove their skills on paper?

Not quite sure what you are asking but everyone wants to see a traditional portfolio along with your demo reel. You have so show you can think, draw, compose on paper. Everyone wants a well-rounded artist and the program does it's best to get you there.

[ScatteredLogical]

OYCM, thanks for all the info. For that last question I mean traditional animation classes. I am asking, for the people including traditional animation on their reels, does that animation usually come from the two trad anim classes Ringling offers, or do they do it on their own time? It was connecting back to my earlier comment about Pixar desiring traditional skills, and yet Pixar keeps going after CA people at schools (whose traditional background is at varying levels of existence, sometimes only evident in the CGI animation they produce).

And in the first post I wasn't speaking of reputation so much as genuine connections to the industry. It's already been made clear that studios only care about the school name on your resume to become familiar with -how- you were trained thus far: you don't go to Ringling at 33 thousand for a name, you do it for the good education. I meant assuming someone doesn't get recruited, is the burden of finding industry connections on the RSAD student, RSAD, or shared? That is, that not-right-away kids might still get in somewhere with the help of the ever-important (as far as we're generally told) "someone who knows you and what you can do that already has a job in the industry." Are there opportunities while someone's at the school for them to reach out to folks like that and vice versa, or is it the same as if they weren't at school, and they must make those connections for themselves?

BTW I am genuinely curiuous and I think this is relevant to this thread but someone tell me to stop if I should take it elsewhere. Now that I've clarified I should be done anyhow.

[Sojo7]

Hi guys. I've been on these forums admiring your insane talent for quite a while. So I finally decided to register and let you guys know I too will be going to RSAD this fall as a CA. Congrats to you all! Amazing work you guys have. Can't wait to meet everybody and get started. :}

[OneYouCannotMention]

I am asking, for the people including traditional animation on their reels, does that animation usually come from the two trad anim classes Ringling offers, or do they do it on their own time?

I think for most people if they include traditional animation it's from the traditional classes they take as part of the CA program. Spare time is a stranger to a CA major.


I meant assuming someone doesn't get recruited, is the burden of finding industry connections on the RSAD student, RSAD, or shared? Are there opportunities while someone's at the school for them to reach out to folks like that and vice versa, or is it the same as if they weren't at school, and they must make those connections for themselves?

The program does it's job by giving you the best education possible, the school does it's part by providing a great Career Services department that always has a current job board, schedules companies to come in and tries to make even more industry connects but either is a guarentee that you will walk out of here with a job. The student needs to do their job and do the very best work possible, react a great porfolio and present yourself as someone that a company would want to hire.

But yes once you leave you will always be an alumni and those opportunities and the Career Services database is always open to you but no one is going to pick up the phone for you and say please hire this person.

The great thing is that we now have so many Ringling CA grads out there that if you keep your eyes and ears open and interact with upper classmen while you are here you are going to know so many people all over the industry and that's going to make your opportunities even bigger because even though their company may not be hiring they may know a friend working elsewhere who's company is and so on and so on.

Does that clears things up?

OYCM

[ScatteredLogical]

The great thing is that we now have so many Ringling CA grads out there that if you keep your eyes and ears open and interact with upper classmen while you are here you are going to know so many people all over the industry and that's going to make your opportunities even bigger because even though their company may not be hiring they may know a friend working elsewhere who's company is and so on and so on.

Now that's the kind of good point I'm looking for. Thanks for all the info.

It's funny, I was reading this alum guy's page who just got out a few years back, and he said everyone was "locked away" in the labs...for 25 hours a week. Kind of at odds with the 80-100 we hear about from this and last year's folk...Must be really rolling with the changes! Either that or he was projecting his own lack of dedication on the other classmen.

[GBmoomoo]

just to let you guys know, i visited ringling this weekend. it's a go! i just need to finalize everything...grades, admissions, fyi.

[jejuhorse]

cool GB!
did you take any picture?
if ya did can you post some?thanx :teeth:
i didn't visit Ringling yet well not gonna till i attend
but i'm sure it's beatiful down there :)

[sula_nebouxi]

Heh 25 hours a week? Oh man...I wonder if the number of hours people put in increases year by year to compete with the new guys heh.

And...here's a little update about my situation...my brother and I talked about getting a loan from a private institution, like a bank or Sallie Mae. I think he might cosign for me :) yay! Gotta push him harder so he'll actually do it ;) Eight ball says: all signs point to yes! Just gotta get this money by july...bleh.

Next two weeks will be absolute hell for me...finals week...and saying bye to all the friends I've made this semester. School won't be the same without them :) Yup...it's rough. *waves to all my acting class buddies* Only 2 more weeks...*sniffle*...

edit:we're closing in on 1000 posts...wow...this thread has surpassed all my wildest imaginations. Let's catch up to that Sheridan thread ;) hehe

[Hett15]

My wife has her interview tomorrow so we are driving down there tonight. I might even get to go by Ringling again. I wonder if I can sit in on a class while she is at her interview. If it goes well we are locked in on Sarasota and our lives will get really exciting really soon!

and let's go people have a little pride in your school. we have to surpass the sheridan thread! :)

[ScatteredLogical]

There's the solution right there. Just sit in on -every- class. Save yourself the money </kidding>

[sandgrain]

As soon as someone invents an affordable cloaking device, that is exactly what I intend to do if I don't get accepted. :^^;:

[Hett15]

Dear Hett,

Here's even more good news concerning Ringling School's Computer Animation program. This,
along with the other news I have sent to you, sets the stage for an even more remarkable future for
Ringling School and its talented students.

Ringling School of Art and Design has been selected by Sony Pictures
Imageworks to participate in the newly created Imageworks Professional
Academic Excellence program (IPAX). The program designed by Imageworks
is intended to build stronger relationships with academia and to
nurture and grow future generations of digital talent.

Imageworks senior executives and staff will provide the faculty of IPAX
member schools with the opportunity to attend in-house training programs
and experience a real world production environment, so they may return
with valuable production knowledge and skills to the classroom. The
program is designed to offer a yearly review of curricula to ensure
the incorporation of the latest developments in technology and
techniques used not only at Imageworks but throughout the visual effects
and digital animation industry.

I will, of course, keep you informed of other developments as they are announced.

Sincerely,

Jim Dean

Dean of Admissions

[ScatteredLogical]

Sandgrain > What's your major? I'm assuming not CA unless you're on the waitlist..

[Hett15]

I think this means that our tuition will be going up to keep up with the latest in technology. Thanks Sony. :) Do you think they will help foot the bill?

[ScatteredLogical]

Not only that, Hett... on a Google search faculty from member schools got to see a special screening of Kung Fu Hustle...wonders never cease lol

[ScatteredLogical]

I honestly think this is a very healthy development. For the longest time studios have recognized the so-called 'generalizaton' and focus on theory going on at school, that doesn't prepare them for actual work in the field. On the art end, they worry more about mechanics than performance, and there's almost nothing on the production ends at most schools. Now they'll get a taste of the environments in which they'll work. It will benefit both sides to have kids popping out with an understanding what an actual "day in the life" will look like for them, and help them in their career decision-making process.

Way to step up.

[sandgrain]

Sandgrain > What's your major? I'm assuming not CA unless you're on the waitlist..

I don't currently attend Ringling. I'm not on the waitlist (yet). I plan to build my creds before even applying to the school. I would go for something along the lines of Illustration. I'll cross that road when I get to it, though. I'm excited and hopeful, but realistically, It'll be a few years.

[ScatteredLogical]

Since we're (this post included) exceptionally close to 1000, might I suggest reserving that spot for sula? I think it'd be appropriate to mark the great milestone of his own thread.

[jejuhorse]

Hey all :D
welp here is my update

Well i just got my e mail from campus door that my co-signer's credit has been approved!!!yey! so now they are gonna contact Ringling and i'll be able to go!!hehehe

well i already sent in my acceptance of admission offer so....I'M IN!! : :bashful: I can't wait!!

oh and i'm doing that AMS plan..and i'm gonna do work study hehe
wow...when i get there i'm gonna be sooooo busy!
oh well it's all worth it hehe

And i'm definately gonna do that FEWS club..gotta build up my figure drawing skill :)

[ScatteredLogical]

Sets up for the volley, and...

[sula_nebouxi]

1000 w00t :)

Thanks everyone for sticking around so long...can you believe it? 1000 posts...and almost a whole year has passed since I started this thread. It really does seem like I started this monster only yesterday. Before we know it, we'll be at Ringling, then at commencement, then...the wild blue yonder. Time does fly, no? In that time, I've watched everyone grow as an artist and help each other as much as they could. It really was a sight to see :) Here's to our continued effort to help each other and lend a hand in the years to come. :vodkamachine:

PS. Oh and thanks for waiting for me :P