Cthulhu sucking face.

[Bomba]

Hello,

This is my first time posting on this forum. Seen tons of wonderful stuff from everyone. Just wanted to start in and show a few pieces(which are very different from my regular concept art).

Currently, I am working full time as a concept artist and lead animator on StarCraft:Ghost. When Blizzard allows me, I will like to show some of the work that I have done for them. BUT, until they green light it...mum is the word.


-J-http://www.jasonfelix.com/art_galleries/digital/da_image_057.jpg http://www.jasonfelix.com/art_galleries/digital/da_image_056.jpg

[zeitgeist]

v cool stuff... reminds me of a couple Beksinski paintings... i've seen some of the art at the blizzard/starcraft:ghost site... s'that stuff yours?

[I.was.ink]

freaky and weird but pretty damn cool... and weird:eek:

[Bomba]

No. That is not my stuff... some of the Blizzard boyz stuff. When it comes to promotion and media...they are going to show their stuff first. My round of artwork will be revealed later next year.

Yeah. Beksinski's work is amazing. I'm really enjoying the Surrealist movement at this point.
-J-


Originally posted by zeitgeist
v cool stuff... reminds me of a couple Beksinski paintings... i've seen some of the art at the blizzard/starcraft:ghost site... s'that stuff yours?

[nova]

i like your last name. checked out your website, what an interesting style :)

[foster]

hi jason! nice to see you here my cute and cuddly friend.

let me just say for those interested jason is a master! much to learn from him and he is a smart sweet guy. take advantage of him and his wit while he lasts. suck him dry, leave none for his woman.

[foster]

Well that last reply snuck out before i could edit. Hit the tab button and something else and blip! I?m sure you can forgive my spelling.

In any case now that i am done name-dropping and telling you how good a friend Jason is to have, go to his web site and check it all out.

Jon

[Bomba]

You say the sweetiest things to me.
But please.... please be tender. And make sure to equally molest Jon as well for he has much knowledge.

Originally posted by foster
hi jason! nice to see you here my cute and cuddly friend.

let me just say for those interested jason is a master! much to learn from him and he is a smart sweet guy. take advantage of him and his wit while he lasts. suck him dry, leave none for his woman.

[Batteram]

Very cool and surrealist, creepy stuff. I like beksinski to, however, my favourtie surrealist has to be Salvador Dali. He was one of the first to start the movement and he was damn good at it.
Btw, do you use photomanipulations at all in your art? I don't really like photomanipulations because I feel it kinda defeats the purpose of making something photorealistic, i.e., I feel it is kinda cheating in a way...
You work on Starcraft:Ghost? How very cool. Can't wait for you to post your work you did on it after Blizzard lets you...

[Bomba]

Batteram. I have to give the props to the Dali. Although I not the biggest fan, I still like.

And yes, I use photomanipulations in my art. The purpose is not to make something photorealistic or to cheat.... the purpose of any type of art is to stir some sort of emotion. Whether it be "Hey COOL!" or "Good GOD your SICK!!!" or "What the!?!?!?!"....on and on and on.

I am a traditional artist by trade and a seasoned photographer. So how am I cheating if I combine them? Is McKean cheating when he creates his work? Is Ashley Wood a cheater too? You will be very suprised how many good artists use photos in very different ways.

And you better believe that Dali would have been all over this type of medium!!!

Food for thought.
-J-

[Batteram]

That is just my personal taste preference Bomba. I know Dali used photos in a little of his work but he was still a traditional artist by trade and mostly just used his paintbrush. I just don't like photos mixed in with something drawn, I prefer the whole piece of someone's work to be completely hand drawn, such as Frazetta, vallejo, brom...
So, that is my own personal opinion, I don't mind if some artist uses photomainuplations, but I would look up to a piece more if it were all done tradtionally, rather than using a photo- you know what I mean? Bouguerreau is one example, he hated painting from photographs and only from live models, and I doubt that if he lived a little longer, he would have been interested in photomontage. Anywayz, I saw a pic on your website, this one: (I hope you don't mind me posting it)


The helmet in that mask I have it right here in a history book: Here it is...
http://www.imagemagician.com/images/batter/africanhelmet1.jpg


Hehe, I like how you used this photomontage but it would be better if you could have drawn it rather than cut and paste. I mean, you can't really call that mask your own creation/work now can you?
Anywayz, just expressing my opinions on this whole 'photo' matter, don't take it personally, I think your art is good and you obviously have drawing skills. Art is about having an opinion on something, and what I have expressed is my own personal opinion in terms of using photos as art pieces.

[Bomba]

So, that is my own personal opinion, I don't mind if some artist uses photomainuplations, but I would look up to a piece more if it were all done tradtionally, rather than using a photo- you know what I mean?Yes, that is YOUR personal opinion. Anywayz, I saw a pic on your website, this one: (I hope you don't mind me posting it)I do mind.Hehe, I like how you used this photomontage but it would be better if you could have drawn it rather than cut and paste.

So let me get this straight. If I DREW that same exact helmet in pencil(and you saw it)....painted it(and you saw it)...and made it look exactly the way you see it...then it's a good piece of art?

Let me ask you, how do you know that I did not paint it? Yeah! But I am not going to prove anything to a no name talentless loser like you. With a name like Batteram who's occupation is a Porn Star Cleaner... I cannot bare to stand here and take your pathetic attacks on my work or others.

So where is your artwork? Coff it up lame ass. I viewed your profile and other postings to discover that all you do is flame other artists...saying "do this or change that". You're pathic and a narrow minded art critic with nothing else better to do.

Art is about having an opinion on something, and what I have expressed is my own personal opinion in terms of hacks slamming art pieces.

Listen little green man from the toilet, go back to riding your pigs and cleaning the shlop from the porn floors.
-J-

[tyboogie]

is this the rainbow butterfly thread? oh sorry wrong room

[Oblio]

:bash:

:nono: Bomba and Batteram - shake hands RIGHT NOW!

You are both bad boys - the topic is open for a LONG list of arguments on the use of photo or not in art. (I am for it but since i'm a very newbie on drawing I try to keep away a little and work my skills. Later i'll might use it since I love photo too much. Maybe i'll post some too)

Anyway - Batteram - We do not post pic's without permission, OK?

and Bomba - Any friend of Jon is verry welcome here, but here we use to fight with ART and real arguments. The nickname is NOT important. The fact that you work for Blizzard is NOT (well.. it's great to know and good for you :bow: ) but is NOT important here. (I work for Ubisoft - yet i suck at drawing - no.. i'm not artist, i do GD ;))
If you want to fight... use your ART!
OK?

Now... be nice :chug: or... i'll :firedevil:

Angry.Oblio
(Jon will tell you... don't mess with the Oblio :p)

[Batteram]

Um, I don't know why Bomba is so offended by my comments, I was just expressing my opinion, after all you did say: "Art is about having an opinion on something, and what I have expressed is my own personal opinion in terms of hacks slamming art pieces."
And what I said previously is my own opinion, I had no intention to harm anyone. Now, I take very harshly to you calling me a 'lameass' or 'talentless loser'. If you want to see a piece of my artwork I have just posted one piece below.
http://www.imagemagician.com/images/batter/bendavis.jpg

I am only 19 and do not have a professional job yet, so how dare you make criticisms of me when you don't even know me. You sound so immature for your age.
I had no intention of starting a flame war and I give constructive crits on other peoples pieces like they do to mine. You seriously have an anger management problem and cannot read between the lines of when someone is expressing their own opinion.
I agree with Oblio about what he just said and I agree to shake hands, and I apologise for posting your work, but you must realise that using photos that you haven't taken yourself and suggestively making them into a piece of digital art is can be suggested as plaigerism.
I never said anything bad about your art and I don't know why you are so upset. I WAS JUST EXPRESSING MY OWN OPINION. Thats what art's about isn't it?
I don't know why you are making such a fuss about it, I did not criticise your art in any way, I just said that my personal opinion is that I like traditional art better than digital photomontages. But it seems I may be talking to an immature child trapped in a mans body who does not comprehend someones personal opinion.
I am offended by your comments and you seem to not know the difference between someones personal opinion and a harsh comment. What I said was my own personal opinion.

[foster]

Ok this all sucks!

Batterram you did not critique his work. You made a broad statement about his complete working method. And you managed to take this sweeping opinion and make it black and white, no grays. While it is your opinion, i would suggest that you be a little more flexible and give yourself some room to explore.

You did apologize but pulling someone else?s work and posting in an argument against them on an open forum is, well BAD. You may not have realized it but you were suggesting plagiarism and that is one hefty and complicated accusation.

Bomba, wow! Hold the guns man. I know you and i am sure you could have carried the discussion in an informative way with out the insults. I for one would love to hear the "why" of your work.

Jon

[Batteram]

I just received two messages from Bomba, and in the second message he says:

"You know what, forget what I said earilier.

I really hate the fact that you kept on saying"Nothing personal, but in my own opinion" bullshit. Everything you said was a smack in the face and you know it! Then you use my artwork against me? Fuck you asshole! You have some nerve.

Never write me you hackless fuck.

-J-"

I don't know who you think you are, but what right have you to say this to me who you don't even know? I wanna tell you now that I had NO intention of criticising your work to the point of calling it bad. Did I say anything like that? NO! I expressed my own personal opinion and I also give contructive crits and praise to everyone elses work where I see fit. Now, just because you are working for Blizzard doesn't make you some tough-shot who thinks he is the best artist around and cannot accept anyone's personal opinions. You even said yourself that art is about expressing your own opinion. So, you seem to be contradicting yourself! Now, if you feel so angry and upset by my OWN PERSONAL OPINION then I don't think you should post your work or hear what other have to say. You are very negative and do not seem to make sense of what you are talking about. Oh yeah, I guess it takes a lot of guts to send me a harsh and immature message like that to another guy who lives on the other side of the world, huh?
This forum is about posting your work and letting other people look at it and give you constructive crits and their own personal opinion about it. Thats what I did! I think you need to sit down and rethink your attitude because it seems you are not one who can accept constructive crits or other peoples opinions very well.

[sparth]

sorry bomba, but as oblio said, you're behaving like a geek.
first time on conceptart? it shows.

i could get exited looking at your work knowing you took part in a project as stc.ghost, but i'm suddenly not at all interested.
the first mistake dudes make when entering a forum is behave violently. this is something that i still can't understand. someone's flaming your work? big deal. you know what you're worth.... your comment are just not acceptable.

getting into oblio special mode: "angry sparth"

[retro002]

could one of the mods please move this thread to eatpoo :D

man you guys desperately need a hobby or something. on the other hand - well post on, perhaps we can make this some kind of daily-soap thread, with intrigue's and all... :chug: how about a poll?

[Kappei]

a lot of time, ha? :mumble:
but great work :chug:
very good work with contrast and light-effects!


c
kappei

[foster]

Once again batterram, bad form. If bomba wanted to take this off of the public forum, good for him. You two could work it out however you wanted. But to take someone?s direct email to you then post it back in the public forum is unforgivable!

I guess you did not learn anything after posting the mask file.

Batterram, you were inflammatory and accusatory

Batterram quote
"Hehe, I like how you used this photomontage but it would be better if you could have drawn it rather than cut and paste. I mean, you can't really call that mask your own creation/work now can you?"

I found that insulting and it's not my work.

There are lots of little argument tricks that seem so easy to use when you are young. "Don?t get defensive" one that is used to deflect that you are actually being aggressive but it is always easy to turn the table, defense lawyers are good at making the victim look guilty. Another that you used "don't take it personally". People think this is a kind of hand washing from responsibility. "Hey you have a big pimply nose and no one will love you, but it is only my opinion so you can't take this personally". Take responsibility for your writing and actions. Think about what you are saying.

Jon

[sparth]

batteram: that debate concerning photomontage is worthless.
sorry, but it is a rather childish matter imho.
only the results counts, as errors in lame photomontages done by untalented artists always come up to the surface anyway. you can't hide errors that easily.

bomba: even though i think you did a mistake doing such a post, i'll visit your site anyway, as i can't get angry towards an artist for more than 5 minutes, especially when the talent is that important. i think it's lame.
listen to oblio! he's the guru of all wisdom and peace!
and welcome to CA :s
(i work for capcom btw :D:D:D)

sparth

[MindCandyMan]

bomba,
When you do these type of pieces what inspires you or moves you to a certain end result. I am curious of your thought process. Do you have a certain emotion or something that you want to convey or do you experiment. These are extremely evocative pieces of art. I am just curious how you go about making them. Thanks,

p.s. - I love the one with the filter for a mouth with the blood coming out (your avatar). That one is really cool.

[Oblio]

Now... you have been bad but i will give you the chance to make it up.

Bomba - Don't you know the path to the Dark Side (hate & Yoda Blah?)? I know you hate suckers like me giving advices or making remarks related to you or your art, but please consider this: Art is about sharing (a vision, a feeling, a memory, etc).
Sharing should be enough reward, having feedback is a real gift.
Receiving gifts is not always easy - i remember receiving the same book (and a boring one) several times on my same aniversary.

You seem like a great artist and I would hate not to see you around here due this incidednt.
I would love to see you doing a real great thing, pretty common here though, showing that you are a GREAT artist not only by your art.
Advise our MindCandyMan on your technique - share it as a sign of your true greatness.



Batteram - oh.. you young and rebel child. I have for you also an advice - watch Andoid - work more talk less. Not that talking is bad, but we seem to admire the ones who talk trough their work. and to wash out this event you should prove your srong ART side. Art is not only painting my friend... i'm not going to ask you to write a play, to direct it or to play in it. Discovering the big art family will put some weight where you seem light.

You may choose:

a) - Do a photo montage
b) - Paint that mask as photorealistic you can.
c) - write a play, direct it and play on it ;)

Both of you - DO A CONCEPARTORGIAN THING

or else... i'll command all the robots posted on this forum on your back! :bash:

(If you don't see it fit.. challenge yourselfs in the Thuderdome. Cut the bullshi' and the barfing around)

thank.you.oblio :D :p

[tyboogie]

LESSON OF THE DAY: only critique works that are posted by the artist. Do NOt go to the artists website, post another one of their peices, and critique it down to rubble, id be pissed too.

[Bomba]

Ok. The battle, for me, is over. If anybody cares to read this, here is what I have to say:

Originally posted by Oblio
:bash: :nono: Bomba and Batteram - [b]shake hands RIGHT NOW!

You are both bad boys - the topic is open for a LONG list of arguments on the use of photo or not in art. (I am for it but since i'm a very newbie on drawing I try to keep away a little and work my skills. Later i'll might use it since I love photo too much. Maybe i'll post some too).Anyway - Batteram - We do not post pic's without permission, OK? Bomba - Any friend of Jon is verry welcome here, but here we use to fight with ART and real arguments.

You are right. It's so hard to discuss subjects over the wire. I am one for Face 2 Face. So easy to read things in a very wrong way.

[b]Batteram[b]I am only 19 and do not have a professional job yet, so how dare you make criticisms of me when you don't even know me. 19? The picture you have posted is looking good. You are right to say that I do not know you and to make criticisms...and vice versa.

[b]Foster[b]Batterram you did not critique his work. You made a broad statement about his complete working method. And you managed to take this sweeping opinion and make it black and white, no grays. While it is your opinion, i would suggest that you be a little more flexible and give yourself some room to explore. You did apologize but pulling someone else?s work and posting in an argument against them on an open forum is, well BAD. You may not have realized it but you were suggesting plagiarism and that is one hefty and complicated accusation. I wish I could have said that. Perfect and to the point.[b]Foster[b]Bomba, wow! Hold the guns man. I know you and i am sure you could have carried the discussion in an informative way with out the insults You are right. But for some reason Batterman's comments really flamed me hard.[b]Batteram[b]I just received two messages from Bomba, and in the second message he says:I was upset, but I was trying to take the fight outside. So here we go again... let's take something personal(outside of the forum) and bring everyone into it. But this time I'm walking. I hate fighting. Sorry that this got out of hand everyone.Batterman is now really showing his age and I am showing mine.[b]Sparth[b]sorry bomba, but as oblio said, you're behaving like a geek.first time on conceptart? it shows. Once again, I stand down.

Listen. I love artwork and I love creating it. I enjoy meeting new artists and learning new things. Critiques are always welcomed and I learn from them. But just for a moment...Batterman...listen to what you said about my work."Using photos that you haven't taken yourself and suggestively making them into a piece of digital art is can be suggested as plaigerism." Strong statement indeed. And I am suppost to sit here and take that as a non-agressive attack? Insulting is a minor way to put it.

Here is the problem with that image... I actually took the photo with my digital camera from a art collector's case. Yep, no shit. Just because you found the mask in your history book does not mean I used THAT image. See the problem? You are making assumptions about my work and believing you are right, but honestly... you are dead wrong. Then you publicly crucify me infront of everyone. And I am not suppost to take that personally?

I cannot help to admire how Jon put everything. Perfect. So what else can I say? Plenty, but I will not. All I can say is this, both Batterman and I were wrong. And it keeps getting worse.[b]Batterram[b]. It's stops here for me. I highly doubt that you will look past this, but I am putting the first foot forward and walking away. And to everybody else... I'm not fighting anymore.-J-

[talos72]

Bomba, I like you collages dude. Some really interesting stuff. As sparth said, I like the end result...photo or not. In fact, some of them remind me of Joel Peter Witkin's (which I really like too). Anyways, maybe you can take a peek at some of my stuff. I love the crit and feedback I have been getting in this forum, and respect all artist's opinions. Very helpfull.

Hope you can post more...:chug:

[sparth]

bomba: you couldn't have given a better answer m8...

[John P.]

You're both exceptional artists(Bomba and Batteram). :)

I am a bit surprised at the choice of background in the first image to the left, Bomba. Maybe that's the point, I dunno. If you could tell a little about the reason for the different styles(IMO) of the figures and the sky there? :)


Taking just a short glimpse at your site there Bomba, it's pretty obvious from the start that you use photomanipulation just by looking at some of the work, so I don't see where the controversy comes from.
The way you have made these pieces, they are fully your products, the way they look after you're finished with them.

So IMO, that's as good an art as anything.

Very nice work there. :)

Batteram; that creature piece you posted there is probably one of the most awesome things I've seen, with all the details. Great work! :)

I think I know where you got the reference for the mouth though; without giving too much away, let me just say the words 'rotten', and 'motorcycle accident'. ;)
Am I close? :D

Anyway - I guess we all put so much time and effort into our work(yes, me too actually...:rolleyes: ), that it becomes like 'our babies'. And it's hard to have them criticized, at least if we feel it's unfair criticism.

I think you're both great artists, probably of a level I'll never achieve.

So here's to both of you. :chug:

[Imp Head]

Ahhhh, the ever popular, (And much debated) "is it art?" query.

This is one of those questions that so desperately wants an answered but becuase of the vast reaches of the human experience and the complete lack of empirical data will seemingly forever remain a mystery.

However, that is not to say that we, as purveyors of art, cannot set up "standards" or "structures" so that we may better understand and better judge the relateve success of any piece of art. The question is now, how would one go about approaching such a vast and complicated undertaking?

I've spent the last few years studying, for my own development, this very subject and have, after much introspection and thought come up with the following...

I feel that all art is merely a visual device used by an artist to communicate with a viewer, just as a written or spoken sentence is a device to communicate information from speaker to listener. To judge a piece of art on it's medium, time it took to develop, size or technique, is to entirely miss the point, just as to judge the effectiveness of a the spoken word on the timbre and pitch of a persons voice is to miss the meaning behind the words. What we as viewers should be looking at is the effect that an image has on us as a whole rather than it's constituent parts.

"Does this image elicit a response in my psyche, and how strong is that response?" is how I judge the success of a piece of art. Composition, color, imagery and execution, these are the tenants of this success, these are the "words" and the "grammar" I seek to understand so that I may judge the art I look upon. However, I can only judge the use of color and composition and technique as it applies to the whole.

To finish up I'd like to pose a question to all of you. I was going through my art history books when I came across this little Dadaist diddy done by one, Marcel Duchamp...

http://www.zumbacombo.com/duchamp/images/works/lhooq.jpg

Now I ask you, is it art? Is it cheating? and if so, can you prove it?


Brian

[sparth]

just for those who may wonder what l.h.o.o.q means, i'm gonna give you a little translation.

l.h.o.o.q : elle a chaud au cul
in other words: she's "sexually exited"


hope it helps! :D

[Lono]

Bravo! you guys somehow contained the flame war within two pages. its a record..

this is what sets our forum appart from the other "jerry Springer" forums.



Bomba: your artwork is wicked. your webpage is wicked.

wicked.

-Lono

[Oblio]

It's good to have an Imp inside! :D
Now that things are settled... it would be LOVELY to see Bomba posting new finished art. That will give me the chance to put this furious (but lovely) thread in the lounge foreva' :chug:
Oh.. i love peace...

Oblio (Si vis pacem, para belum) :eek:

[bengal]

imp head>> you know how to show instead of speaking loud, i agree 100% with your demonstration, respect.

[amphex]

arrgghh..

[Sammy]

hmmmm..... this is all very unsettling...

[brads3d]

I think we are going to hear about the cops digging up bodies from your basement one day. Very disturbing pieces, but the technique is extremely impressive and well executed.

[softdrawer]

lol... this is fun

[thomasaurus]

everyone needs a hug.