Stereotypes about artist

[Robert.B]

stereotypes associated with artist. Dump your experiences or findings here!!!!
Or vent about something thats been on your mind!

[wassermelone]

I think the only one I can think of is that people think everyone who goes to art school is somebody that makes pink glitter footballs to express how they feel about the issue of feminism etc etc.

I don't really care though.
Um... yeah. Sorry I can't really help.

-toasty =\

[Robert.B]

hehe thanks for trying

[NoUseFrAName]

starving, pretentious, and wierd?

I dunno.

-Rob

[Robert.B]

thanks guys but please try and think a little harder, have been a victom of a stereo type.

[Red_Rook]

hehe. as an artist i obviously wear all black (black and white stripey shirts though) and a beret. I carry around paint brushes, speak with a french accent and drink red wine. The art i do is entirely abstract and it represents my troubled child hood in combination with curent political issues and several major world wars, as is quite evident from the red paint applied with the toothbrush i use every morning. :)

[Robert.B]

hahhahahaa that was beautiful

[zou]

i think that artist (who people thinking that they are artist: don't mean anybody !)
_are thinking th're better than other stupid guys, but they are just less stupid.

_artists are always dreaming.

_artists are hidden in society

[Robert.B]

ZOU im sorry could try and explain that differently

[regina1323]

they generally say that we artists are stupid for following our dreams

~regina

[PencilPunx]

As someone who's currently taking art classes at a school that primarily focuses on technology and business, some of my favorite ones I've heard are:

#1 "People who go for an art degree do so because they are too stupid or lazy to get a 'real' degree or too wimpy to play sports."

#2 "You only take art classes so you can draw your own naked lady pictures!"

To that I say number 1 is just plain ridiculous and number 2......well, that's not the ONLY reason.
;)

[Robert.B]

yes unfortunetly iv herd some of those remarks as well

[Ron]

one thing that people always think is that if you are an arist you can do a sign for them. I hate that.

[Robert.B]

yes why is that? i can remember well actualy i can think of a few times when some one stoped me on the street becasue they noticed i was carrying an art portfolio, and the first thing they ask me is would you like to piant my portrait,as if im dieing or ( STARVING) to draw them because its what artis do, and yeah we cant find jobs i almost for got about that one.;) And the most insulting thing is that they will often expect you to do it for free!!!!!!!

[Marko Djurdjevic]

we drink:beer:

[strych9ine]

Cheers to that. :chug:

One thing I think defines an artist is an all consuming drive to do what they believe they were meant to do. It's something we think about all the time, something that we couldn't see ourselves living without. It's a long term goal that can never be fully achieved, but that also keeps us dedicated to our dying breath.

This being said, it all looks rather hopeless to the practical if you aren't making a shitload of money doing it.

[Robert.B]

i hear ya.

[Robert.B]

why is it that poeple assume educated artist all want to confront femanist issues? i can most certainly tell you this is not my goal.

[JoshuaTheJames]

I get very irritated with the Stereotypes of artists. Most which are bullshit and the fault of the "bullshit so called Fine Artists".

-Joshua

[cartoonfox]

lol, its not the fine artist, its those damn modern artists who cut up cows and put lightbulbs in boxes :D

damn freaks



peace

[otis]

I think 95% of artists have some type of malfuntion with society, themselves, their parents, ..life in general. Many just love to draw really really dark shit.
A lot of artists also like to see themselves as outcasts, or reclusive people. They don't like to shower, love to wear black, and try to act intelectualy superior.

Then they wonder why nobody understands them.

Howz that stereotype?:cool:

[Blackhawk]

lol, that was a good one Otis. If any one person with any of these stereotypes saw the group we had at Amsterdam, they would learn it takes almost every kind of person or personality to make an artist. We just happen to have an undying love of creating beautiful pieces of work, or atleast attempting to :D

[Robert.B]

i want to thank every one for there contributions so far

[Robert.B]

that was deep otis

[Osmus]

not all interior designers are gay. i have met some people that fancy berets, but don't have a french accent. not every artist is a hippy. i think i just repeated what's already been said. the beret post made me laugh

[Robert.B]

good point

[JackalAnubis]

I'm not sure if this is a stereotype, but more of a misconception that once someone finds out you're an artist they ask you to make them some art and expect you to bust it out like it was easy and would take no time. I've gotten some weird requests too like, "paint me a picture of me and joe montana hugging eachother", or "since I never won anything, paint me winning a big trophy for my dad". I get alittle annoyed because art isn't an easy thing to do, and when I want it done right it usually takes some time.

[Robert.B]

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aelunith: What I was going to post would be the whole stereotype about art being somehow special and impratical and separate from daily life. People forget that it's artistry to cook a good meal or even to do a great business deal.




by my friend aelunith who hasnt joined this site yet.;)

[pconsidine]

A few stereotypes that I can think of (and have been a victim of):

–_That art isn't a real profession and artists don't do any work.

– That we all know where to find heroin.

I'm sure there are others, but those are the two that come immediately to mind.

[Chris J. Anderson!]

Hope I'm not too late in adding a response to this. I've been quite irritated about the stereotypes given to artists. Some believe all artists dress weird, or have strange hair cuts like tall green mohawks, etc. A few artists do, and thats definitly not a bad thing, but NOT ALL artists. Some believe that all (male) artists are weak or sensitive and in touch with their "feelings" and "emotions", some even believe they're all gay or sexually confused...(I've even seen that stereotype in the movies). Some believe that (female) artists are all deep thinking feminists, or lesbians on some level. Some believe that artists aren't very intelligent, some believe that if your an artist, then that automatically means your not good at math or science, and that you like to mindlessly draw pretty things. (They obviously never heard of the intelligence of Sid Mead and his designs.) Some believe that all artists are psycho or crazy on some level. Most don't realize that many artists are just normal, regular people who happen to use their talent and intelligence to create art. This is not to say that their aren't artists who fit these stereotypes or even that it's bad being any of the stereotypes, but NOT ALL artists are these stereotypes and most non-artosts don't realize that. Most people don't realize the wide range of different types of art thats out their. Most non-artists don't realize that the very car they drive was most likely designed by an artist, because most of those people believe that artists all paint crazy paintings with oils. From what I've experienced, most non-artists have a very narrow view about what an artist is.

The only reason I have so much to say about this is because I'm your regualar average dude from New York, brought up and raised their. Once I got deep into the art feild, it was quite a culture shock to learn how most people view artists, and shocking to experience being labeled all types of weird stuff just because your an artist. Before I became a hardcore artist, it didn't experience any of that. I was just the average dude. But I enjoy being an artists regardless.

-C

[Robert.B]

chris i just want to say that your comment was excellent i couldnt agree with you more i have experienced some of those stereotypes even amongts other artist sadly.And i want to add that the contributions to this thread have been such a success that id like to use you all in my presentation which confronts these issues:chug: :D

[Chris J. Anderson!]

Hey thanks for liking the response. I wasn't sure if I was over doing it or not, or if anyone would really relate. I've tried to talk to other artist about the irritating stereotype issue before, but many seem too afraid to talk about it. It's too bad really.

[Gr8t100]

Right on Chris, good comment.

I'd like to add, that as an artist, I know for a fact I get viewed at as being a bum. While yes I do paint on Cardboard, write whatever is on my mind on a soda box, and create a collage on cereal boxes, I do this because I always have a pen in my hand, and something to draw. Why not draw on a cereal box? Not everything that is wonderful was made on a canvas. God forbid you walk into a diner and unfold a "piece of trash" as my canvas.

I think that when people know you are an artist, they expect to see this studio with containers full of oil paint and hordes of canvas's scattered the floor. This is bullshit. Majority of my work is done on a computer anyways. God forbid that when I actually do forget my sketchbook, I get turned away from because instead of just keeping my thoughts to myself, I choose to express them on "a piece of trash."

Plus what irks me the most, is that when someone will ask to view your sketchbook, and they insult you or your work right away. I remember one time after leaving a restaurant, the hostess was waiting outside for her ride, and she had heard I drew a lot, so I replied yeah and she asked to view my work. I showed her my sketchbook, and by just flipping through it she made the remark of asking, "is that I cock I just say in your sketchbook?" I wanted to snatch the book away from her hands and smash it over her fuckin head. People just don't take artists seriously, they just want to toy and fuck around with them for the fact they aren't going after a "normal" profession.

One more thing though, is that people expect artwork right there and then and if it takes more then five minutes, it's a waste of time to wait. I can't mention the number of times I have people just ask me to bust out a sketch right infront of their face in mere seconds. Plus there have been times where some of my friends, or more like associates, will tell me I should have a normal sleeping cycle and not spend so much time working. How the hell will anything get done if I just accept to leave it unfinished?

Anywho, thats my rant and viewing of it.

[Osmus]

haha right on gr8t. I remember working at a factory and drawing on the little cloths we used to wipe things with alcohol. a woman asked me to draw her, right then and there, thinking i could whip it out of my ass in the 2 mins i had. they asked me to draw a 'sign' we used to stop the assembly line. i did have a good stereotype experience there though. someone asked me to draw a tattoo for him. he explained what he wanted. i drew it in about 10 minutes on a peice of scrap paper. he was amazed and said "how the hell did you know EXACTLY what i wanted??"...so sorry guys i think i added to the public opinion that time. i'll end it here. way too long for a post. sorry for the essay! ( thanks if you got to the end! : )

[Zwalharulzuki]

The only stereotype I've really been the victim of is the one mentioned before, the "draw me somethin' right here, right now, and for FREE." What am I, your drawing monkey?!


Oh and what makes me mad is that a lot of non-artists, especially brain-dead potheads who can think of nothing but their next fix, attribute ALL art that is even a little weird, creative and non-mainstream to be the result of experimentation with drugs. Just because you are unable to think of things outside your daily experience without the help of mood altering chemicals does NOT mean that other people are the same. Jesus.

[talmir]

I'm not so far advanced in my "art" as to call myself an artist.. but its my deep belief that anyone with a pencil is technically an artist (maybe we can get some insights on that)..

From my experience people view artists as the following stereotypes:

Far out : The far out artist uses drugs, dyes his hair yellow or neon green.. wears weird clothes and like to press theyr painted butts against a canvas to make works of art.

Style : The stylish artist always has a cool hairdo, walks around in black, hangs out at clubs and can pull some comic art out of his butt in five seconds flat while listening to rammstein.

Bullshitter : the bullshitter is one who hangs around his house all day and pretends to do art.. he throws some sand in a corner, puts a red shirt ower it and calls it art.. He doesnt want to get a job, he wants the world to care for him because he's "creative". But put some paint or a pencil in his hand and he cant do shit.

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These are the stereotypes I've encountered and people have often sorted all artists into.. I dont agree with any of the above except maybe the bullshitter since I've known one. But artists are as diverse as the human race can ever be. No stereotype can apply.

Hope this makes sense
peace

[SirRon]

What about stereotypes that artists see other artists? Just to name some from my point of view.

Beginner student: Yeah, they suck but at least they're trying and eventually get better.

Depressed: "I SUCK! I CAN'T DRAW ANYTHING! I'LL NEVER GET BETTER!!" (Most people who don't draw/paint regularly would be in this category.)

Ego Artist: The type who says, "I'm so f**king good." But you can't help admit that they really are THAT good. Unfortunately they're ego needs more work than their composition.

Ego Artist II: The type who says, "I'm so f**king good." But they're really awful. You can think of a lot of people that are better than this person.

The Artist: They have skill and they're always drawing and improving. Plain and simple.

[bizarre]

ooh! i know a few.

As an artist, i've been sorta stereotpyed in several ways

-people think i'm satanic, or that i slaughter animals and eat my feces or rape children or perform other socially unacceptable behaviors. I don't.

-people think i'm gay. or weird. people who know me well know i'm not gay and i'm one of the more normal people they know. I just do things differently.

-people think i'm always on drugs. I mean ALWAYS. nope, sorry, i can't afford the upkeep. Sometimes i am, though.

there's a few more, tell me if what i said was helpful at all and i'll put some time into a real response.

[loken]

One of the odder ones I've been told is that all artists have great handwriting..

If thats even remotely true, I'm screwed.

[jetpack42]

Originally posted by JackalAnubis
I'm not sure if this is a stereotype, but more of a misconception that once someone finds out you're an artist they ask you to make them some art and expect you to bust it out like it was easy and would take no time. I've gotten some weird requests too like, "paint me a picture of me and joe montana hugging eachother", or "since I never won anything, paint me winning a big trophy for my dad". I get alittle annoyed because art isn't an easy thing to do, and when I want it done right it usually takes some time.

you hit that one on the head. everyone i know figures i can just bust out a leonardo da vinci in 15 minutes...

i can't even do one in 15 hours!

[artisant]

Oh... this I LOVE... I go through this all the time..
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as being an artist in New York City, any other artist could relate to this especially those who live in large metropolitan areas like me...
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I own/work in a studio somewhere in some dark alley or converted warehouse and splatter paint onto oversized canvas.
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I constantly walk around in a brooding manner and tend to stop in front of random objects, do that frame thingy with my fingers and try to envision a fire hydrant as a piece of art or something...
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I wear all black, if not, clothes splattered in paint.
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My parents are either:

a) rich snobs, and I am trying to redeem myself and my parents of their sins of being rich and wealthy by working through the arts to gain a voice that relates with the average peasant...

b) dead, horrible parents, criminals, and that I am trying to vent myself through my art and/or tell the world about it and dwell on it in chaotic abstract art.
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I am socially retarded
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Crazy, crazy, CRAZY hair or none at all
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Internet? What's that? Is that some kind of new Canvas material? Apparently artists are so worked up with their art and supposed to be cooped up in our dwellings for so long, we aren't supposed to be tech savvy.
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"You'll never make any money as an artist"
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I am on the brink of killing myself or others AT ALL TIMES
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I like to hurt little animals or mutilate myself
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Normal sex consists of leather, straps and body paint. Pass the X-acto Knife...
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We are not entitled to normal girlfriends, we either have tattooed, bearded lady, trapeze artist girlfriends or vain, non-english speaking, iq of any single digit number (including zero) foreign women....
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We won't live to see 30... 40 if you're lucky...
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... the above and we're supposed to die in some grand and freakish manner.
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and I am supposed to KNOW what EVERYTHING looks like so that I can please the countless people who ask me ridiculous things... CAN YOU DRAW ME WITH A YETI PLAYING TENNIS WITH THE 2nd QUEEN OF HOLLAND IN THE DESERT?

seriously.... how do I even begin to fathom that kind of project...
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no, saying please and begging will not make me want to draw you... go away!
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and I'm not sure, but the question:

WHERE'D YOU LEARN TO DRAW?

has always ticked me off. Honestly, one discovers themself how to draw. It's the same as how'd you learn to walk? By yourself, you might have got help but that didn't teach you it helped you grow and revise yourself...




i could go on and on... but those are the ones that pick out the most for me..

good luck on the project!

:beer:

[Bretton]

i agree with people thinking we can draw something for them just real quick.

someone asked me to draw daffy duck for them once. that is insulting.

[Robert.B]

guys your right on the money,But what about some of the sterotypes assocciated with artist experienced in a particular field or medium? for instance Many times iv heard it said that Digital artist ( mainly 3d arist and designers lack fine art and traditional skills) I for one know this isnt true but has any one els ever heard this??

[Chris J. Anderson!]

Noshadowmaster - You reminded me when I worked for one company videogame company in the past. I don't regret working there at all, but there is sometimes a stereotype that many 3d modeling artists have about concept artists.

Many believe that if your hired to draw concept art, then that automatically means thats all you can do, and that you suck at 3d modeling. Some 3d modelers believe concept artist aren't intelligent enough to do 3D modeling. And from what I've experienced, it's mostly because of the extreme praise some 3d modelers will get being able to understand programs like Maya or Max and make what designers want. They figure, the reason they can model so well is because it takes extreme intellect to do it. I remember seeing even the concept art lead being treated as if he was lower than the 3d artists just because he was a concept artist. It's a shame that just because your hired to do one job, people think that thats all you can do. When I was working their as a concept artist, I had become proficient in 3d modelling and animation way before I got the job to do concept art. So here I was, a concept artist who was also good at 3d modeling but 3d modelors thought I was too dumb to know it because I was a concept artist. When the time came to show my 3D work, which I was told it showed I could do it professionally, I was brushed off. I realized the jealously some of the 3d modelers had about artists like me because they believed so long that an concept artist could never be that good at 3d modelling, but my portfolio said otherwise. The lead 3D modeler was mad because he wasn't very good at doing concept art as well as 3D modelling, and I, and a few others there, were. I remember his arrogance cost the company time and money at one time! It annoys me till this day. I talked to a few people at that company for hours about it, who all experienced the same thing I experienced. This one guy was just as good as the Lead 3D artist, plus his traditional art was great as well. I remembering learning that the lead 3D artist tried to fire him with no proof that he was doing anything wrong at the company. Other authorities denyed the Lead 3d guy's request. Later, I learned he did that because he was jealous and didn't want the guy to take his job and respect. That Lead 3d guy was so well respected and constantly praised for his 3d abilities by those who were ignorant to how easy 3d art really is, once you have the access to use it.

These things happen sometimes in videogame companies because people put too much respect and power into someones title. Lead 3d artist doesn't mean your the ultimate, all knowledgable creature in the universe. All 3D is, is a tool like any other tool, that is easy to use once your allowed to use it and learn it. It's so expensive that not all are so privelaged.

Yeah, I know, another rediculously long post by me, but this is the only way I know to explain these circumstances, sorry.

[Robert.B]

chris once again that was a awsome post, some of things you mentioned i had never thought of before.But i have been judged like that before some people think becasue i do 3d that i naturaly must have no traditional skill, which is wrong i realy love drawing, and been drawing since i was five.Im not sure where these assumptions come from but they are out there.

[JackalAnubis]

wow chris that sucks. hope to not meet people like that eh? Leave your ego at the door.

[Chris J. Anderson!]

Thanks Noshadow. And yeah, I've seen other people experience the stereotype you've experienced about 3D artists not being able to draw, it's too bad.

Yeah, Jackal, exactly

And this doesn't mean it happens at "All" videogame companies, there's great ones out there with great people working. And it's an honor when you fine an evironment like that to work in. You learn a lot and meet a lot of great people. It's just that I'd be lying if I said that stuff like that doesn't happen. In fact I learned from another artist that their are companies who are aware of things like this and try to make sure they don't bring in unstable/overly egoed, (or what ever kind of problem) type people inhouse, from what I heard from more experienced artists, to make sure their companies run smooth. Companies with a lot of internal problems don't usually last very long.

I want to say this real quick, which I'm sure a few others from my college would agree with, is, how other artists from different departments view other artists. My college was a very great place with great teachers, but some of the students like say from Fine arts class, usually resented the illustrators, and vice versa, believing that both groups were weak at something that the other was strong in. And it was the most evil thing to try to be a good fine artist, and an illustrator, and an animator all at once. Some of the students their put so much pride in the type of art they studied, that they segregated themselves away from other types of art and artists, believing that if you try too many art styles, that that means your just not sure what kind of artist you want to be, meaning your not a serious artist to be taken seriously. I experienced that hardcore.

I hope I don't sound like I'm just ranting here, just that this thread is a cool place to say this stuff.

[artisant]

Well said Chris.

I'm a freelance Graphic Designer, so not alot of people take me seriously as an artist.

Also I teach workshops in High Schools for aspiring artists and those seeking a career in the Graphic Design field. And often the students and some people might think:

"Oh, he's teaching here, he's got nothing better to do, he's probably a really bad artist and can't make a living elsewhere"

It's sad that people think that teaching is the lowest level one can stoop to, I mean I understand alot art teachers are all talk and nothing to show for it, but there are alot of teachers out there that love what they do and wouldn't change that for anything. We've gotta learn to give such people the respect they deserve, if not that.. then at least the courtesy they're entitled to.

:chug: Cheers to those who've taught us what we know and to those who've shown us the way...

[H.Evans]

My boyfriend's mom says i dont go to a "real" school, me with a 3.9 at tyler, her kid has a 2.6 in criminal justice at temple main... heh ... someones got defense mechanisms going...

[Aerythes]

noshadow> Clinching a great business deal isn't about being an artist. It's about being a great liar! Oh wait, this thread is about artists stereotypes, not businessmen stereotypes...

[DanSTC]

As moustached beret-and-smock-wearing artist with an oil pallette & brush in hand, I take offense to zees thread! Mon dieu!

[fletchgirl]

Oh... i was just reminded of this...
i do caricatures for a living right now, ( a feild RIPE with stereotypes i.e., "So, can you guys draw real pictures?") Anyway, one of the guys I work with told me a couple weeks ago that when I had applied, he was "suprised at how good my stuff was". he said, "I was like, hey, she draws like a guy!" so, apparently to be a good artist, you also have to be a man.

actually, I also faced this growing up. when my male peers said they wanted to be artists, they were pointed towards graphic design, animation, illustration... when I said I wanted to be an artist, I was told i could paint landscapes and/or be an art teacher.(not that those are bad things... in fact I love teaching AND animation and illustration... but I hope you see my point.) Coincedentally, when my sister said she like science, she was told she could be a science teacher. Instead, she majored in Anthropology and got a 4.0 while going to Notre Dame and playing Division 1 volleyball. She thought about going pro in Europe but has now decided otherwise, she'll be going to Africa with the peace corps in June. anyway, i digress, I'm just proud of her. :D

Here's a lovely stereotype, that people thing digital art and CG is done BY THE COMPUTER. sorry for the rant, I'll stop now.

... or i wont...

Yes, I too totally love how because I went to Art school, I am an egotistical, promiscuous, alchoholic, drug abusing Atheist. :rolleyes:

[Bammer]

Fletchgirl touched on a steriotype I've been having to battle lately. I have a new highschool art teacher who asked to see my "real" portfolio today. I told her it was on my laptop if she's just give me 5 minutes to show her. She tells me and I quote "I shouldn't use a machine as replacement for ability."
I think she's just seen too many of her students get all excited with twirled beveled lens flares. Of course, our final AP art project last semester was to decorate a shoe so...

[WildSpruceMoose]

I think she's just seen too many of her students get all excited with twirled beveled lens flares. Of course, our final AP art project last semester was to decorate a shoe so...

Hahaha. Sorry just remembering all the people who actually DO think that lens flare is mad skills =P

Anyway, I find a lot of people think artists are psychologically disturbed in some profound way.

[stacy]

ok i really hope im not too late cuz i just read this article the other day. basically i dont agree with anything she says but this got me mad

ART
Did you ever read Dan Clowes’ Art School Confidential comic? He’s making it into a movie. Basically, it calls bullshit on art school and points out that anything they teach you that isn’t a specific technical skill or art history is totally subjective and a complete waste of time. Don’t believe me? Ask an art-school graduate. It’s a scam. Come to think of it, art is a fucking scam. Some Japanese millionaire gives you $400,000 to mount three hundred taps on a wall that exude hot rubber? Wow. You can come up with weird ideas and hire carpenters and engineers to spend three weeks carrying them out. Fuck artists. None of them can even draw hands. You know who does valid art? All those taxidermists that make walruses and wolves and cougars look real at the natural science museum. They may not wear leather jackets with one sleeve and fuck the Hilton sisters, but at least they are actually talented.

link:
http://www.viceland.com/issues_uk/v10n4/htdocs/i_call.php

[Robert.B]

Wow stacy those are some interesting comments.

[artisant]

Originally posted by stacy
ok i really hope im not too late cuz i just read this article the other day. basically i dont agree with anything she says but this got me mad

ART
Did you ever read Dan Clowes’ Art School Confidential comic? He’s making it into a movie. Basically, it calls bullshit on art school and points out that anything they teach you that isn’t a specific technical skill or art history is totally subjective and a complete waste of time. Don’t believe me? Ask an art-school graduate. It’s a scam. Come to think of it, art is a fucking scam. Some Japanese millionaire gives you $400,000 to mount three hundred taps on a wall that exude hot rubber? Wow. You can come up with weird ideas and hire carpenters and engineers to spend three weeks carrying them out. Fuck artists. None of them can even draw hands. You know who does valid art? All those taxidermists that make walruses and wolves and cougars look real at the natural science museum. They may not wear leather jackets with one sleeve and fuck the Hilton sisters, but at least they are actually talented.

link:
http://www.viceland.com/issues_uk/v10n4/htdocs/i_call.php


I suddenly lost all desire to draw..... :mad:

[Robert.B]

artisant i dont think you shouldtake any of the comments in this thread personaly, fi you injoy drawing continue to do soo .

[Chris J. Anderson!]

Stacy - Wow, thats pretty hardcore. Must not know anything relevant about art or artists, who ever wrote that on viceland.com.

Artisant - About what you said about respecting teachers that deserve respect, etc. Well said! I've seen students who would disrespect teachers before even learning if they're good or not. I'm suprised that students would think negatively of a teacher such as yourself who not only teaches workshops, but actually does real freelance. Some students in my college felt bad once they saw the 'Teacher Art Show' and saw some of the most greatest skills they'd ever seen in a while. A lot of my teachers had some great skills.

fletchgirl & Bammer - Ah, that reminds me, I created an illustration once in Maya and photoshop, and when I showed it to my illustration teacher, he said something like, "What is this? Did you create this or did the computer do it? I don't understand this? Are you trying to cheat? How was this made?" He didn't know anything about the 3d world, only knew about traditional illustration. I felt like a fraud that day.

fletchgirl - About what you said about the diference between male and female artists and how they're both treated, it's a taboo topic. It almost seems that a lot of female artists are discouraged from going down the path to be a great illustrator or animator, industrial designer, etc, and instead, pushed to go down more simple paths of art. Not sure how true that is or not. One thing though, there were no girls in my computer animation classes, and a rare thing in that department in general. Ofcourse this doesn't mean that girls can't do good 3d, but the question is, why was it rare for them to be in the computer animation department? Must be because many were discouraged into not going down that path of art. I know that if I was constanly discouraged, I wouldn't have gone down the paths I've taken with my art. I actually got extrememly discouraged by other artists not to do digital painting. My wife helped me find the courage to go down that path of art.

[Robert.B]

thats agood point you made cris, or stacy, one stereotype iv heard about art teachers is that they couldnt make it as professional artist or freelance artist so they became teachers.
I know some very talented teachers who simply made the choice to do soo becasue they love sharring the knowledge that they have gianed over the years.

[The Iconoclast]

I'm not trying to complain or anything, because I see his point of view, but my dad said something about the Austin workshop being full of pedophiles and binge drinkers. I'm sure that's not true, but I'm doubting myself after seeing all these smilies

:chug: :beer: :barf: :bootyshak

^_^ Just kidding.


and I'm not sure, but the question:

WHERE'D YOU LEARN TO DRAW?

has always ticked me off.

That is kind of disturbing, because I ask people that question to research any places that may offer art education. I think it's perfectly legitimate to ask a question like that. :D

[Donut Mahoney]

people tend to believe that artists are great at everythnig artistic, while in reality they are usually only good at a specific type of art and a specific type of art style.

People always tell me to draw them a furry animal of some sort and I say, "No I don't draw animals." They get offended and say "but you're a drawer."...yes, drawer. I just stare at them for a few minutes. They usually wander off and I'll respond to their absence stating that i'm not a "drawer," that's where you put your clothes, im an "artist." they dont hear me though because by then they're already across the room and im too lazy to get up and tell them.

[Robert.B]

nice one Mahoney

[Lohan]

i smell like turpintine.. woe is me :(

[regina1323]

i had to laugh at bammer, i thought that my teacher was the only one to have students decorate shoes for a final.

Most people think that i am becoming an art teacher just cause i don't know how to do something better, like why don't i want to teach a real subject like math!
I say HA to them! math is the subject in school that every student looks at and says, "when the hell am i ever going to use this?" I have never in my life heard any students around me say that to an art teacher.

~regina

[otis]

..Lets just say that it's stupid to stereotype anybody or anything. As we all have learned from this forum, stereotypes are never accurate.

So follow your passion, make millions of dollars, and %@# the stereotypes. ;)

[JackalAnubis]

oh here's one, (not sure if anyone has said this yet), but sometimes people say to me, "damn I wish I was talented at drawing". I think some people assume that really good artists are just born that way. In reality it takes years of training to develop the technical skills required to create convincing illustrations. I suppose it's only your creativity, innovations, and crazy ideas that make an artist unique.

[stacy]

yep stereotypes suck. someone mentioned the question earlier................"where did you learn to draw?" ive been asked that many times and i have aBSOlutely no clue what to tell them. what the hell do they expect you to tell them? oh i learned how to draw between the age of 3-5 in the studio of blah blah. uhhhh:bash:
LOTS of people seem to be thinking art is the easy way out. you didnt get good grades in highschool..so you go to art. anyone can do it right? well i dont know if its true or not...im still in highschool and probably am not even close to the workloads you guys are getting in college or institutes or whatever...

sorry to mention this and im not trying to offend anyone in case they like this piece...but have you guys ever seen the oh-so-famous black square? i dont know who the artist is but the painting looks like this: its a black square on a white canvas. ooOOH! aaAAH! i really dont see what the big deal with it is.
ohoh oh i found one of the paintingshttp://www.cursoarte.hpg.ig.com.br/aulas/imagens/blk_red.jpg
the guys name is Malevich(?) and thankfully hes not living anymore which abolishes any possibility of me dissing someone in CA. k so.....call me stupid but i really dont see whats so special about this painting. so maybe .....just maybe......some of the stereotypes can be true at times? (im not in any way saying that all of them are applies to all artists. just so you know i want to be an artist myself and do not in any way agree with most (if not all) of the stuff said on this thread. i mean the stereotypes).

[stacy]

found THE black square. http://www.khatchatrian.ru/images/malevich.jpg no wonder i assosiated it with russia. the guy is russian...the painting is probably hanging in one of the art galleries in moscow

[EDIT]
just for the hell of it...here are some more
http://www.courses.rochester.edu/seiberling/AAH128/IMAGES/IMG017.JPG http://www.cavant-garde.com/articles/pics/emerge1.jpg http://www.thecityreview.com/philmale.gif http://www.rosizo.ru/life/exhibitions/2000/img/malevich.jpg
nooww...dont get me wrong...this guy sure knows his stuff
http://www.greekstatemuseum.com/ezimagecatalogue/catalogue/variations/64-200x180.jpg http://art.pro.tok2.com/M/Malevich/malv03.jpg

Ðåâîëþöèÿ â æèâîïèñè.
Êàíäèíñêèé, Ìàëåâè÷ è ðóññêèé àâàíãàðä

haha.....i guess russia disagrees with me
[edit]AHH! THE RUSSIAN FONT! ITS GONE!!
:mad:

[Ottar]

The one stereotype I get the most is that artist's are super cool and rad.

I have to be polite and point out that that in fact is not at all a stereotype, but rather it's a proven FACT!

:crosseyed

seriously not a stereotype, but i get annoyed with the 'draw me something and sign it so i can be super rich when you're super famous.' Granted I'd like to say I get this a lot [no i don't] but when I do [did that one time] it bugs[ed] me out.

On several levels.

First of all, thanks for the vote of confidence, but if you would look at the shit I'm drawing, it's not really 'louve' calibre, nor private collection of Sir Reginald Flufferdink III material -- they don't readily accept 'cool guy with a gun' or 'cooler guy with a bigger gun' into the archives.

Secondily, that signature, if ever it may in fact be worth a significant sum of money, it will be only after I've been dead for a good decade and through a clerical error where they end up thinking I was an autistic four year old. Otherwise, there's a legion of me out there [here] most better. None getting three digits for their X's like rockstars, so go bother them instead.

And thirdly and finally, the only way I will at all possibly ever maybe maybe achieve a level remotely close to that which you want me to, I have to like sell some shit, so no freebies. Gimmie yo money sucka.

oh then the whole 'not your personal drawer monkey' but that's already been addressed earlier in the thread.

Or something. I haven't slept and I'm going to regret this tangent later ... honestly ... not this absurd.

[Osmus]

stacy - i have seen those paintings and the like in my art history classes..i don't know why they are there, i don't really see what those paintings have done to advance art. have you seen the famous sink..yes, thats right its a sink, with two words i think they were "not me" scribbled on the side in bad handrwiting with ink? it's in a museum somewhere behind bulletproof glass. i don't mean to offend anyone that likes this kind of work; art is subjective, theres no way to truly say "this is bad" or "this is good", so please don't take me the wrong way and post 2 pages of disgruntled reply.

[stacy]

hahah
osmus- and then we wonder where the stereotypes originate from

[Ottar]

Are talking about Duchamp's Fountain?

[Frankster]

I've actually applied for jobs and upon showing up for the interview dressed in a suit with a conservative haircut and trimmed moustache (sort of looking like a young Walt Disney) received an awkward reception. I was even told once, "We thought you would look a little more creative, you know, like an artist." One stereo-type I hate is that male artists should look like Kid Rock or Tommy Lee. Otherwise how could we be REAL artists? Likewise we should all talk like either Keith Richards, Richard Simmons, or Jeremy Irons depending on the occasion and the work produced.

You have to admire those that get fame and fortune from producing amazing works like the black box. Remember, they are true artists......con-artists that is.

I really can relate with those who brought up the misconception that we can magically pull masterpieces out of our butts in a matter of minutes and that it takes no effort or thought on our part with our "God-Given Talent". Gee, all those years practicing, studying techniques, light, color, composition and learning new mediums along with a small fortune in school loans and supplies were all for nothing! Hell, artists are a dime a dozen! Just ask your neighbor. Her son Johnny (who is four) is an artist too!

"Can you paint me a landscape like this that will match my couch?"
"No. Buy a new couch."

[Chris J. Anderson!]

Frankster - I've experienced that same stereotype a few times about how all 'real' artists should at all times look creative, and wild. Whats so out of the ordinary about trimming up once in a while? What am I talking about, I'm trying to grow a beard here!

[Crash]

something i get ALOT is.


"HEY DRAW A ROBOT THAT CRUSHES A PLANET AND MOLESTING A ARABIC TEEN, DO YOU HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO DO IT????"

And if they ask something nice and something that might be fun to do they return five minutes later and act likte "WTF...ITS NOT EVEN I COLOUR"


And something else i get from other "artists" in my class is "oh so you did a digital painting....and THAT took 5 hours??pffft /insert rolling eyes /"


Something else ive heard when im studying anatomy is...
"Why are you copying that picture...your such a cheater"

And someone else mentioned that if you dont draw a dog with tons of fur in full colour your not an artist you suck at everything and you shouldnt be holding a pencil...please die.

Something else that pisses me off is that when your drawing something and someone doesnt like it for god knows what reason they never tell whats wrong with it, they just go RAAANTing on your ass without you having a fucking chance to explain yourself.


DIE F*CKERS DIE

[strych9ine]

One day in a class of mine I had to bring in works of artists I admired. I brought in Dave McKean's Option: Click, some Ashley Wood Popbot comics, Foster's Progressions, etc. My teacher would not acknowledge them as "fine artists" simply because they "let a machine do the work for them". He even went so far as to tell the class that most digital artists (and the majority of the class were just this) are trying to hide the fact that they have no talent with digital tricks.

Evidently there is a "create badass image" button in photoshop that I've been overlooking.

[Robert.B]

Stacy im glad you posted that art work in this thread i was actually thinking about doing that myself. If any one would like to create a sketch or composition that illustrates a stereotype that they have experinced or know of, feel free to post it here.

[Robert.B]

Stacy im glad you posted that art work in this thread i was actually thinking about doing that myself. If any one would like to create a sketch or composition that illustrates a stereotype that they have experinced or know of, feel free to post it here.

[stacy]

wait...so the professors/teachers or whatnot in colleges stereotype artists themselves? wtf?

[Robert.B]

this is a sketch i did today it captures that classic cleche image of what people used to assume artist looked like.
http://img56.photobucket.com/albums/v171/kiafaquan/Artistsmall.jpg

[Chris J. Anderson!]

Hahaha!

Noshadow, I forgot that when I was 5 or 6, thats seriously what I thought all artists looked like. That hat totally completes the picture.

[Robert.B]

lol yeah when i was kid this was always the type of imagery id see in cartoons when the subject of art or an artist was being portrayed.

[fletchgirl]

rash, you just reminded me of when I first started studying animation... i brought my reel home with what i had been doing, i.e... a bouncing ball, a flag, etc... my family sits down to watch it, and my brother says, "Why isn't it in color???? Where's the SOUND?!?!!" you know, cause, once something's moving, it automatically makes a sound....

I also love, "I can't draw a straight line with a ruler." cause, well, the truth is, I've messed up drawing a straight line with a T-square... :D

[Redder]

It speaks for itself.

http://www.pigtasia.com/images/GALLERY.jpg

[mxo]

hey Stacy, love the art! I wish they'd put some of your art up in my department. Cubicals are really boring, specially with white walls with nothing on them. Noshadow, that is exactly how I imagine an artist to look like! I mean, jeans, collar shirt, the brush and board is just what these sexy girls are looking for. Specially if you got bushy hair on your back and it's coming out from the shirt, or you smoke a phat cigar while painting. You know? I think drugs can enhance an artists ability to draw beyond what they are capable of drawing. :bash:

here's an artist you should see Ian Rowan (http://www.ianrowan.com )
You will find beatiful art images like human torsos, a dears fetus, and antique doll that was abused.

<noshadowm> casted is that your head
<Casted> what? no that's not my head

[gigglebear]

thanx cast. Hey today is my presentation and i just want to thank everyone again for there contributions you all made this thread a success, so lets keep it going if we can.

[Osmus]

i think this is where it all started in the 1870's. Renoir painted Monet while he was painting. i think monets appearance set the standard.


http://img7.photobucket.com/albums/v18/osmus/Monet.jpg

[Hunger_Artist]

The artist is an insolent creature...

[stacy]

http://www.physics.pomona.edu/faculty/prof/tanenbaum/Family/2003jun/artist.JPG

[stacy]

oh right *ahem. steryotypes.
http://sunsite.tus.ac.jp/wm/paint/auth/vermeer/art-painting/artist.jpg
http://sunsite.tus.ac.jp/wm/paint/auth/vermeer/art-painting/art-painting.jpg
and thats what proper models are supposed to look like.....i guess



EDIT
I MADE THE FOURTH PAGE!!!! weeeeeeeeee :dead:

[Relfrome]

Ive got the same problem with my parents, the thing about stereotypes I mean. After Ive finished.. high school, I want to study art, you know, an art school, or art college whatever its called. But my parents have that exact, stupid picture of a steroetype of an artist in their mind, so they dont agree with me, about the art school I mean.
And now, they dont want me to do something with art later in my life. All they say is: 'You are young now, 15 is a very difficult age. Dont you see? You can only dream, thats what only artists do.' and stuff like that. I hate it that they have to compare me with those succesful... people. I hate it that they have that stupid image of an artist... Artists are really.. different. I guess.

[Robert.B]

you should show them this thread

[otis]

The reason they don't want you to attend art school is becuase it's too much #$%@ money. You will learn more about art by traveling the world, and hanging here on CA.org.

But also, maybe they are bitter becuase they were too afraid to pursue their dreams, and now they are trying to instill their fear and regret in you. DON'T LISTEN.

You don't have to make the same mistake millions of people make in their lives. Follow your dreams.
People find excuses out of fear, regrets, all the time. Now they just want the best for you, but they also don't want to worry about you. Hopefully they raised you well enough to take responsiblity for your decisions in life...and trust me, deciding to be any type of artist is a risky one...but also a very rewarding one as well.

Oh yeah,... and ask them if they think Thomas Kinkade isn't making enough money as an artist!

;)

[Relfrome]

wow thanks for the tips guys.
Yeah maybe their dream didnt came out when they tried to realise it. I should print some of this thread out, so they will see what artists are really like. hehe.
but no, I dont think its because of the money, because... well, I havent searched for information about art schools yet. One of those I would looove to go is this one: http://www.nyaa.edu

[DanSTC]

I also get the occasional "U AN ARTIST? HAY DRAW AN AMINE FOR ME."

[deadmaniac]

One of biggest stereotypes that I erks me is the line 'I can't draw a straight line, your lucky to be born with such talent."
Well that kind of throws the long hard sleepless nights of working out a piece out the window. That is more belittleing (spelling?) than anything I can think of. They make it seem like I was some freakin autistic prodigy and the day I was born, I simply pulled a pencil out of my butt and started drawing.

I tell them this.."Anyone can draw. The difference between me and you is that I want to. I may have been born with the desire to draw but not the talent."

[Osmus]

relfrome- i was lucky; my parents told me throughout my life to do what makes me happy, they don't care if i'm a bum or a millionaire. good luck! be aware of why your making your decisions, and don't let outside influences determine your future. sounds simple, but it's a hard thing to do. i really hope you end up doing what you love.

forgot- otis has a very good point. art school is expensive, but you don't NEED art school to become an 'artist'. so far i've learned more from this website than a year at my college has tried to teach me. when it comes down to it, it's how hard you want to learn about art. my point is that your only going to learn what you put effort and practice into. anyone see what i'm saying? i'm confusing myself. good luck!

[EVIL]

Originally posted by Osmus
you don't NEED art school to become an 'artist'. so far i've learned more from this website than a year at my college has tried to teach me. when it comes down to it, it's how hard you want to learn about art. my point is that your only going to learn what you put effort and practice into. anyone see what i'm saying? i'm confusing myself. good luck!
word!

[bwkeough]

another stereotype I've been hit with (besides some of the fantastic ones already listed):

when folks hear that my mom's an artist they say "Oh, that's why you're such a good drawer."

Now, if they meant that my parents encouraged me to draw and to go to art classes and major in art in college, then yes, they're right. But what I know they really mean is: I am genetically predetermined to be an artist and so it must be easy for me. Yeah, like being an artist is the same as having brown hair.

[Osmus]

i had a drawing teacher that claimed the ability to draw ran in the family. yes, a few people in the drawing class possessed more hand-eye coordination than others, and they all had members of the family that were artists. i believe that good hand-eye coordination may be genetic. the commitment and perserverance it takes to hone your skills is not.

[Cocofuppa]

The stereotypes i can think of are

- The fookin wierd ass goth with black everythin and pink tights with cute anime toys attatched to ruck sack and a full collection of every tria marker ever made to draw anime with.

- The fuckin snobby arses who dominate art colleges, with their arrogant egos that they are better and superior beings, although they paint a loada of shite and nonsense, in other words, they are "cowboy" painters who con ppl out of money with their spraffing bullshit about the thinking behing their artwork.

And then there is me :)

[Waster]

Ive met the omnisexual scarfwearin slacker living in a pink van with reclineable seatbeds, hauling paint at twigs for a living, and Ive heard stories of the überelusive creep dressed all black, running around in the forest each fullmoon, gathering aborted fetuses in formaldehyde, hoping to one day be renowned for breaking borders with his "deformed fetus riding potato" series.

ill, it all makes me ill. Shouldnt write under the influence of Lord Booze, I must stop before i type something stooopid...

yes, im a stereotype! Now I know I am in no way original. YES! I do not conform to individuality! I AM STRONG AS A SHEEP!

[The Crazy Dude]

The common stereotypes of an artists...

Dresses in black... Melencholy (sp?) or gothic type of attitude, thinks the world's out to get him and tends to generate drawings of his 'feelings' that are nothing more than false representations of himself. He/she delves into the 'art crowd' and finds it to be over his head and then goes back to flipping burgers in Mc D's

now a true artist is someone who has found bliss in the pencil since a young age and has continued in his pursuit of the craft of the immagination and immortalization of reality... (something that I hope to acomplish in my lifetime) Some artist use life experience to generate their own creations and see things in their own point of view.


Then again I could be wrong and all an artist is is a guy sitting in the back that drawn all day while the teacher stomps her foot to try to get his/her attention and then finds a pencil lead stuck in her eye. He... he... huh?

[arghmisfit]

this has become quite an intresting thread :)

unfortunatly i dont have any stereotypes to add..

[Tully]

Originally posted by deadmaniac
One of biggest stereotypes that I erks me is the line 'I can't draw a straight line, your lucky to be born with such talent."
Well that kind of throws the long hard sleepless nights of working out a piece out the window. That is more belittleing (spelling?) than anything I can think of. They make it seem like I was some freakin autistic prodigy and the day I was born, I simply pulled a pencil out of my butt and started drawing.

I tell them this.."Anyone can draw. The difference between me and you is that I want to. I may have been born with the desire to draw but not the talent."

Exactly!!! That's what I've been saying for a while. I hate it when people say "oh, you're so talented" but they don't seem to know it's because I've worked my ass to get where I am and I still have a lot of hauling to do! I could have all the talent in the world, but if I didn't love it and work at it, I'd never be more than average. There's a big difference between talent and skill. Skill is the only thing that gets you anywhere.

When you're watching olympic sports, people don't say of the players "gee, they're so lucky they're that talented!" No! They say "wow, they must've worked so hard to get there."

I believe that the talent can run in families. My great-uncle was an artist, my mom is very good at drawing, so is my brother and I am too. It's the talent your born with. It can't take you anywhere you aren't willing to work towards.

[Ideaspark]

The expecting stuff for free one someone mentioned is the worst.

[Justme]

Originally posted by Osmus
i had a drawing teacher that claimed the ability to draw ran in the family. yes, a few people in the drawing class possessed more hand-eye coordination than others, and they all had members of the family that were artists. i believe that good hand-eye coordination may be genetic. the commitment and perserverance it takes to hone your skills is not.

May be worth your while to do some research. Strengths in many given areas/interests/talents can be genetically inherited. What you do with that inherent gift or curse makes all the difference.

When a very young child who is developmentally supposed to be scribbling and instead is drawing fireman with full torsos, eyes nose, ears, lips, clothing down to boots and gear, you sometimes gotta ask yourself where the hell that came from and if there's a gaggle of this type in the family line or lines, then you pretty much know they've inherited some observation and coordination skills. After that, its exposure to training, practice and dedication or rejection and adoption of other skills that person may value more.

The old nature or nuture question is passe. Brain-mapping research has uncovered so much info that there's too much coming too fast and most of us don't know a fraction of how great a role genetics play in our lives.

[Robert.B]

i think its soo cool people are still adding to this thread

[Daissan]

1) "Draw me Goku"

2) "Draw me"

3) "Draw me a pot leaf"

4) Robokopf (http://www.wearerobots.com/)

P.S.

I have a new highschool art teacher who asked to see my "real" portfolio today. I told her it was on my laptop if she's just give me 5 minutes to show her. She tells me and I quote "I shouldn't use a machine as replacement for ability."
I think she's just seen too many of her students get all excited with twirled beveled lens flares. Of course, our final AP art project last semester was to decorate a shoe so...

I believe I have your teacher. Come and get her, now.

:p

[The Crazy Dude]

I usually get people who want me to draw them tattoos...

I really don't like it when people think that they can't have any skill in drawing... technically they already know how to draw. (Writing is nothing more than drawing glyphs that represents a sound or sylable that is used in speach and comunication.) It's just that they don't know it yet.

I also have to agree that it does take a long time to develop the skills of drawing. Hell it took me over 15 years to even begin to draw with half the ability as most of this board.

But then again, it's just my opinion that all people should learn something artistic as a form of release (from stress, home, stupid people, yadda...) like my younger brother has incredible tallent in the guitar. And my youngest brother enjoys the creativity of vehicle modifications (You want a flaming skull where?! :eek: )

But if everyone else decided to draw then where will I get my supplies if everyone buys them... Please ignore the last paragraph or all humanity will be devoured by ravinous Barbara Strisand clones sent by George Bush the Third...

[Darkstrider]

How about this one....

As soon as somebody finds out you're an artist they automatically think you can draw or paint anything, in any style, and that somehow you can read their mind and do exactly what they want even though they can't describe it worth crap!

I used to do airbrush t-shirts (strictly amateur, but I got pretty good) and I had this portfolio of shirts I did from good reference... you know, Frazetta, heavy metal album covers, etc. Peole always looked at them and wanted something just as good, but couldn't supply a picture. I had a stockpile of pics I wanted to do, but somehow nobody would use them... they would just want to come up with an idea and give me a really rough idea of it, then as I sketched it out in my own style, they'd say "no, not like that... you know... it needs to look.... cooler". I know they had someone's work in mind, or maybe even a piece they had seen, but they didn't want to admit it, or didn't even realize it.

My response is that you don't hire Michelangelo and expect him to paint you a Van Gogh.

[Osmus]

from my limited commission experience ( very limited ) i have come to the conclulsion that in order to be successful at it these days, an artist must be able to cover a wide range of styles/subject matter/ ect. to suit the needs of the customer. another required skill is patience. some people are very, very picky and want a billion different versions until its JUUUUUUST right. i can understand your frustration with those kinds of people.

[MoFra]

stereotypes..LOL...

i always love the "since your an artist you must be mentally unstable" WTF! YES i get that! a lot..! because I have an imagination??

didnt oyu know mental illness comes with being an artist?!?!

i must say i get called a hippi because i am an artist...people are just weird around my area...

and i always get "oh oh, can you design me a tattoo?"

there are many others i could mention...but my brain hurts, must be from that mental illness:rolleyes:

grant it i didnt have the greatest life...as well as many other people who are also artists and people that are non artists :eek:

[jelanen]

Originally posted by stacy

sorry to mention this and im not trying to offend anyone in case they like this piece...but have you guys ever seen the oh-so-famous black square? i dont know who the artist is but the painting looks like this: its a black square on a white canvas. ooOOH! aaAAH! i really dont see what the big deal with it is.
ohoh oh i found one of the paintingshttp://www.cursoarte.hpg.ig.com.br/aulas/imagens/blk_red.jpg
the guys name is Malevich(?) and thankfully hes not living anymore which abolishes any possibility of me dissing someone in CA. k so.....call me stupid but i really dont see whats so special about this painting. so maybe .....just maybe......some of the stereotypes can be true at times? (im not in any way saying that all of them are applies to all artists. just so you know i want to be an artist myself and do not in any way agree with most (if not all) of the stuff said on this thread. i mean the stereotypes).

Stacey: Not offended at all, no. See, this is where art history comes in. Malevich was part of the Suprematist movement, which was meant for pure feeling in the art over the objection. Russia was going through some tough times and traditional means of art wasn't cutting it for them. A new outlet was needed. Thus, at the time these squares were innovation, new, and shocking to the public. One doesn't necessary need to like nor appreciate the art but it has it's merits due to the history. Art isn't necessary all pretty flowers but it reflects society at the time. Why the pieces like these are valued and appreciated even if a five year old can do them today. Remember, someone had to invent what we take for granted today. Anyways, that's your brief art history lesson for today. If you want to read more check out http://www.rollins.edu/Foreign_Lang/Russian/suprem.html[/URL]

[clayrodery v.03]

we get mad pussy all the time.

[Peepers]

Art school students are pretensious, wear Buddy Holly-eque glasses and other emo attire, and spend all their free time discussing their own intellectual superiority to the cow-eyed masses. And they think conservatives are idiotic.

[BlackLottus]

This was an excellent thread (Thank you noshadowmaster )

I'm sorry to join in so late, but I did want to add that the one stereotype above all those mentioned here that has always bothered me the most is the assumption that artists lack any ability to do "business"...I even hear other artist say it... f$@king spare me. I'd say 75% of a being a working and successful artist involves doing good business...the other 25% is talent skill and labor and maybe some good connections. I work my but off to present a professional persona, to have a good relationship with my clients and to pay my friggin taxes on time - all things that encroach on my precious painting time but necessary sacrifices.

Look at your list of favorite artists - true you will have a "phenom" here or there for whom the stars aligned and the path to success seemed greased with Crisco, but the rest of those folks had to work hard and have a at lease a decent business acumen to get there.

So this stereotype reeeeeeeeeeeally irks me.
>:{

[Robert.B]

im glad you guys are still leaving such great remarks and opinions. this room is such a success i think it should be renamed the Vent Room. let me know what you guys think.

[bizarre]

hmm. a stereotype that i actually hold, which hasn't been disproved, is that chicks draw all pretty stuff and guys draw the weird stuff. i mean, aside from jenny savillle and some other chicks who draw hardcore weird evil shit, ... oh fuck it. i haven't seen as many female artists as i have males. and the only female artists i've seen drew flowers or designed fashion clothing (dani if you're reading this bless your little fluttering heart, i didn't mean to offend.)

um, oh. yeah. and something i get a lot is, "Dude! You's Got issyooos!" or some other dumb, drawling statement of my mental capacities. I mean, yeah. i draw some weird stuff. yeah? so? you jack off to fucking late night infomercials of 40 yr old women bouncing along on treadmills! and other stupid and weird stuff! just because MY weirdness is captured on paper doesn't mean it's any weirder than YOUR weirdness!

and another stereotype i have, which hasn't been disproved, is that most if not all male artists are either really, really secure with their sexuality, or just gay. i blame davi. ...inside joke.

the only people i've seen put down any kinds of art schools are people who either learned nothing from it, or just didn't want to learn because they thought they knew it all...

ah whatever. i quit. you can't fire me.

[Abby]

One stereotype that always pisses me off is that artists can't spell. "We're so visually oriented that we can't read or write very well, and we just suck at math." I know a lot of artists who perpetuate this stereotype by saying: "Well, I'm an artist, so I'm not good at math." Or "I'm an artist, so I let other people write for me."

Dude!!! Don't use your artistic skills as an excuse or justification for your other shortcomings! I hate that.

[egerie]

hmm. a stereotype that i actually hold, which hasn't been disproved, is that chicks draw all pretty stuff and guys draw the weird stuff. i mean, aside from jenny savillle and some other chicks who draw hardcore weird evil shit, ... oh fuck it. i haven't seen as many female artists as i have males. and the only female artists i've seen drew flowers or designed fashion clothing (dani if you're reading this bless your little fluttering heart, i didn't mean to offend.)
Admit it; you just want the girls to come after you with that one ;)

Some of the sterotypes mentionned there are hilarious.. Got a lot of them too and I can't remember the number of times I had to say that "anybody can draw, you just need to practice, practice, practice... and have a decent learning curve". That's usually when people look in disbeleif and just drop the issue. Considering the slightly annoyed tone in my voice.. >:{
The poor souls that have tatoos from what they asked me to doodle... Oh the shame. Maybe we should put disclaimers on those so we don't get slammed by another of these Stella Award recepients for laser surgery fees.

[the_blur]

ART
Did you ever read Dan Clowes’ Art School Confidential comic? He’s making it into a movie. Basically, it calls bullshit on art school and points out that anything they teach you that isn’t a specific technical skill or art history is totally subjective and a complete waste of time. Don’t believe me? Ask an art-school graduate. It’s a scam. Come to think of it, art is a fucking scam. Some Japanese millionaire gives you $400,000 to mount three hundred taps on a wall that exude hot rubber? Wow. You can come up with weird ideas and hire carpenters and engineers to spend three weeks carrying them out. Fuck artists. None of them can even draw hands. You know who does valid art? All those taxidermists that make walruses and wolves and cougars look real at the natural science museum. They may not wear leather jackets with one sleeve and fuck the Hilton sisters, but at least they are actually talented.

link:
http://www.viceland.com/issues_uk/v10n4/htdocs/i_call.php

Hehehe, Ok stacy, what part of that do you specifically disagree with? I thought it was pretty funny. If you have seen the documentary "The Dealers" and seen what scuzzballs art dealers are and what whores fine artists become, then you KNOW where that guy is coming from =) Anyway, I don't think that's meant for "working" artists...more for the "rockstar" artists that paint with a jet engine and a bucket full of elephant feces lol.

[Gilead]

I used to get upset about everyone wanting me to paint a sign when they found out I was an artist, but I just gave up and became a signpainter.

Couple years ago I joined a bullitin board for Signpainters ( letterville.com )
One of the first discussions I read was about the myth of "Shaky hands Joe". It goes something like this. You'll be out in public somewhere painting a sign and some old codger will walk up behind you an say "You know back in my home town -insert name of any podunk town in some other state- we had this signpainter. Shaky hands Joe we called him. His hands shook like a leaf all the time, but give him a bottle of whiskey and he became steady as a rock." Of course He'd paint any sign you like in exchange for a drink.
People from all over the country said they'd run into this story a few times.
Couple months later I was painting a sign on a window and this old guy shuffles up to me and says "you know back in my home town..."

I've had any number of people who were shocked to learn that I wont paint a mural on their wall for a beer.

[Robert.B]

have you ever been profiled becasue of your race and the content of your work? For example some people believe that most japanese artist draw stiff big eyed characters.
http://vermad.deviantart.com/

[Floris Didden]

No real stereostypes to add really, but I'd like to vent.

Where's this amazing place where all of you people learned to draw like that?? I want in too! Oh no, I can't, cause I can't draw, I don't have the talent and that's all it takes, we all know that...

Ye sure, I'll wip you up a master piece, just throw me some random adverbs and I'll be done in 5 mins, k?

They call me mister Hash, cause I've always got the stash.

Coincidently, I've got some strong stereotypist views about "real" artists myself, I'm talking about the ones who smear poop on the wall to shock the masses, 'cause well, they really excist, and give me bad name.

[Robert.B]

ok im very frustrated becasue im not sure wrather i should put my afferts into trying to create something that is orginal.Or creating something that has high level of craft and perceptual quality. Imean lets face it an artist could spend a life time trying to create something thats " Original".Yeah i know your thinking i should strive to achieve both , but the fact is its not that simple.All we can do is take todays cleches and rescramble them in interesting compositions, while taking liscience in it and calling it our own.

[Floris Didden]

I forgot who said this and the exact quote: "Everything is plagerism, except the few which are brilliant" (I fucked up that quote bad).

The point is, everyone, everywhere is constantly influenced by everything they see, hear, touch and experience. You have a set Knowledgebase in you head, based on things you have previously experienced, everything you encounter is tested against that knowledgebase.
Making something unique is one fo the hardest things there is, if not THE hardest thing. Try to get a scope of the task of actually creating something which was non-existand before. I don't mean consciously combining two cool ideas, lending from some styles, drawing that orc with the earring in his right instead of his left ear, I mean thinking of something that you have never seen or heard of before, something which is totally not present in your knowledgebase.

The only thing you can do is to continue working and try to expand your knowledgebase as much as possible. This does not mean to only do art, or the drawing style you prefer. Do weird things, things that seemingly don't have any connection to the art you think you want to make; paint a pink square, take a train to a random small village in your country, take a dive in a public fountain, anything! Expand your knowledgebase, only by doing that will you be able to make new connections in your head.

I'm rambling on and on, the reason is that I know your struggle and it helped me a lot by realising the thing I'm trying to explain in this post: everything you think of is based on combinations of knowledge present in your head. Anything can contribute to this knowledgebase and you can't predict which combinations you will make in advance.

Sorry for the long post.

[Reotharmus]

i got told by my art teacher.. who insisted on teaching me water colour despite a passionate revolt on my part.. "you're wasting your time drawing those stupid little cartoons you do"

turns out even artists have preconceptions.. my work wasnt real art.. this maybe so.. be hell i got paid for it as soon as i left school :wink:

stereotypes are good give us something to avoid!

[Slash]

Its clear what people think about artist stereotypes. But what does everyone think about stereotypical artists?

I am asking because i can see that i fit in to quite a few of the stereotypes mentioned, and i don`t wanna be hated! :D

My sleep cycle is totally random.
I exclude myself from many parts of society because i think there are too many idiots around. (Arrogant, me? noh!)
I sometimes stop and look at things that have interesting shapes, thinking "this would make a killer piece". (but no finger squares or fire hydrants.)
I drink.
I can`t do math, planning, organizing or buisness to save my life.
I have long hair and a beard to match.
I actually own a beret. (never use it tho.)
I have ADD.
I am an ateist.
and
I get loads of pussy!


I do wish that the last one was true. Not that i should complain... :D

[Floris Didden]

The real question is: do you fit into that stereotype because the stereotype is true, or is it because you want to fit into that stereotype (peer-group).

[mk.]

Nearlly the same here:

I exclude myself from many parts of society because i think there are too many idiots around.(maybe iam arrogant... but i have some friends and they get all my respect. I dont need other ppls.)

I sometimes stop and look at things that have interesting shapes, thinking "this would make a killer piece". (but no finger squares or fire hydrants.) Yes :)

I drink.

I smoke.

I can`t do math. (at least not with my head. But iam a straight forward planner!)

I have long hair and a beard to match. (Yupp, but only because iam to lazy :))

I actually own a beret<-- NEVER! I hate ppls walking around with these crap.

I am an ateist.

I get loads of pussy! (Ha... only in my dreams... iam way to shy.)
---

I can tell you a bit what i have seen in the "artist" profession. Its only a personal view...

Modern Art:
Some artists try to be rebells or rockstars... the pure egoists. The problem there is that they dont wanna learn anything, because they "are allready" the stars.
Many of them are bad painters. But they sell the works with the great marketing skills they have. They need the public.

Graphical Stuff: (Brands etc.)
Some artists ive meet are to "neat" for this world. They dont do what i call a great artwork. But they are cool and friendly. Some of them are doing webdesigns or other graphical stuff. But not illustration or "art"works.

Illustration/wannabe Art:
Some artist like me... jumping from one side to the other... allways looking for some amusement. Throwing paint at an oversized canvas can be a really great feeling! on the other hand i hate ppl doing that. i would never call that an artwork.
Future? Who cares somehow i will survive. As long iam happy, everything is fine.
But when it comes to a job we are dead-serious. Hyperexact and give more than we should. Allways... and i hate insects.

Art:
And them there are some artist that have great skills doing great pictures but you never heard of them before and maybe you will never again. I dont know these ppls. Or they are all dead :)


I think this is a very cool thread. Sometimes i have to admit that i fit in an stereotype but most of the time it sounds like legends :)

[waronmars]

gee bizarre...go get pregnant, the adults are talking. Of course it's davi's fault, being a god and all- his manliness converts all artists that see him. [/inside joke]

basically i hate thee expectation that your a super uber drawer just cause you carry around a sketchbook. especially people who say 'draw me' piss me off...i have my rules, and drawing friends is off limits. I hope to get into caricatures or something eventually, but i hate the expectation that it's gonna be a fucking davinci when you try and draw someone. 'it doesnt look like me' ...do i give a shit? come back in 5 years you whiner...don't diss me when i'm learning, would you be disappointed if a 10 year old couldnt do algebra?

but on the other hand i hate people looking at a mediocre piece and saying "oh my good thats soooo good!" and ESPECIALLY people saying 'why can't i draw that well' Here's why - you don't WANT to.

phew...end the rant >:{

[AFaeryChild]

OMFG! *tear* I feel so inspired now; gotta run off and spend three hours on my white face make up with dark high lights and oh...does this black match that one? Of course it's all about the accessories! These spykes versus those spykes. Of course there's a y! "i's" are soooo banal. Now I think I can sit down for fifteen minutes and compose dark poetry that will be the basis of my newest expression of me. What? This isn't art? Don't make me go all nosferatu on your arse!

...

Couldn't help it. :)

Has anyone run into the problem of Fine Artist versus "Commercial Artist"? I had a Fine Art instructor last year during the spring who didn't believe in formal assignments. He always gave them verbally (subsequently they tended to be rather vague) and essentially left them open to interpretation. A friend of mine (who got out and is now at Art Center) drew a narrative project as specified by the perameters, brought it in and got his rear handed back to him on a plate because he failed to give it any "philosophical" meaning. It was a technical drawing that happened to fulfill the assignment.

This instructor, mind you, failed to provide any true technical instruction and 90% of his time was spent yammering with his TA (equally useless) about other graduate students and politics.

Cheers

[Reotharmus]

ok so some artists are stereoptypical with regards looks and behaviour however:

I have a shaved head and tattoo's,

Play ice hockey,

Can do math and science (and like it)

Wear baggy clothes and hoodies, no berret's im affraid.

dont carry a sketch book but draw and scraps of paper (suits me and i like it)

I dont exclude myself from anything unless i've tried it 1st (tallent is no excuse for ignorance)

I no longer consider myself an athiest thanks to a forum members wonderfull reasoning (will post it or get her to post it in here)

I drink socially but not prefusely, i dont smoke.


also i trained as a draughtsman, i illustrate, design plans for modellers and im far to modest to consider myself a concept designer... so which group of artist am i?? oh and i draw by hand....

so does this make me an anti-stereotype??

[maxetormer]

he he Funy thread is 2:00 am i told my self to go to sleep
at 12:00 am max but i got hooked reading this 3 pages of stereotypes.
I dont believe that stereotypes really exist even the persons that fit
on that steretypes, dont fit really because sterotypes are far less
complex than the motivations of a real humans beings.

This are the stereotypes i have faced.

"I wish i could draw": and i founded out that the respose I usually use
is the same all the other artist uses too, he he
R: "all you need is practice
trala la la all you need it pratice tra la la la"

"Were did you learn to draw?
R: in a magical school were faires touches you
and suddenly !puf! you can draw, yeah right, it takes a life time
to get a decetly good amout of skills to make a living out of it
I just practice and practice and even like that, i cant get all the
ablity and data I desire.

You are atheist right?
R: yeah and I adore satan.
(dont belive in satan and i am not an
atteist I belive in my own personal vision of god
but i like the face of the persons when i say
I adore satan he he)

Some friends of mine were really anoyed that i was drawing all the time
I really never got the way of that, it was not as if i was hurting them
by pulling out my skechtbook, dunno the world is full of weird fellas he he.

"I ma bored of seenig you draw that pic draw something else".
(like if was gonna take orders like a slot drawing machine "insert coin
to get a drawing")

If you have long hair you mut be an artisit.

Your clothes must be splatered with paint (mines are but just cuase
I am to lazy to be clean he he)

Regular people cant graps the idea of a digital paiting if you used
the CPU then you did not really worked; your CPU did all the job,
(most of the fellas that hink that, think that a CPU actually has a
consience and thinks like a human being, hence I must have told to
my CPU: "do me a killer fantasy picture" and the CPU will do it in a blink.

And at last:
somethig that really bother me one time, is that some day a teacher told
us to take to the classroom a pic of a our favorite artist and mine is
Frank Frazetta after seeing the Dead Dearler she said "well obviously
the atists has very little skills and the style is a poor interpretation
of neo renasentism, I really lost every little pice of respect for that
person in that same instant.

[Robert.B]

I was wondering-and any body can answer this-is art these days mainly being created for other artist as the audiance or for those outside the art society?




SKETCHDUMP (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=35265)

[Dizon]

lol this is a nice thread

artists are usually associated with being weird, alcoholic, druggy, poor or struggling...yeah that's all i can think of.

[Dizon]

One stereotype that always pisses me off is that artists can't spell. "We're so visually oriented that we can't read or write very well, and we just suck at math." I know a lot of artists who perpetuate this stereotype by saying: "Well, I'm an artist, so I'm not good at math." Or "I'm an artist, so I let other people write for me."

Dude!!! Don't use your artistic skills as an excuse or justification for your other shortcomings! I hate that.

hehe well i suck at math but that's what makes us all different. I agree with what you said that we shouldnt use our artistic ability as an excuse for our shortcomings. I also hate it when we our stereotyped, my mom thinks that artists always struggle and that money is hard to come by, yes that might be true but what they don't realize is that we do this cuz it's our passion. Another thing I hate is when people stereotype our art as a hobby, that just pisses me off!

[Shadow Slayer]

I know that this is late in the game, but heck. I just started posting today (Although I've been a long time fan of this site :^^: )

First let me say that I'm primaraly a CG artist for the time being (I want to get into concept work once I get a handle on the CG tools which I almost have so you guys will be seeing alot more of me.) So anyways, here's the stereo types I always face. I'll start with a summery of an actual conversation I had with one of my friends friends when I went to visit him

Non-artist person: So what do you do?
Me: I'm a CG artist.
Non-artist person: Oh? Like Pixar?
Me: umm..... kinda (I want to get into games)
Non-artist person: So what characters did you animate?
Me: I'm not an Animator I'm a texture artist.
Non-artist person: Oh.... So you have'nt been promoted up to animator yet?
Me: Yeah I guess, I am still just a student. (At this point I feel like it whould take more time to actualy explain myself then correct her.)
Non-artist person: So you Don't work at Pixar?
Me: No.
Non-artist person: Well you should, I loved their movies. I just saw Shrek 2 last week.


Also another one is that even some traditional artists just don't get what a texture artist does. Everytime I say I paint the 3D characters and give them "Texture" they always go "I thought that the modelers, or the animators job?" I swear, Some people think that Modeling and Animating are the ONLY jobs available to CG guys. And whenever I say I'm a texture artist, some people just think its becuause I'm not good enough yet to be a modeler or an animator. Sheesh. Thats why when I start getting into conversations like the one above, I just try to get through it and get on with my life. I whould completely stress myself out if I tryed to correct every incompetent person who knows nothing about CG. Anyways sorry this turned into a gripe. But yeah thats the sterotypes I get pinned with.

[Robert.B]

what about the stereotype that all conceptartist know how to do is draw barbarians, and orcs. and people with gas masks with guns and swords .e.c.t

[MuffinMan]

when people see me draw at my school, they think i'm some sort of supper powers...

there are stereotypes about artists...
we all suck at math
we hate god...yes, my parents are christians and they want me to be a part of it, but i refuse becuase i feel "god" will interefere.
we are ever so curious about anything
there's so much more that some of you have already pointed out.

[SJ Bennighof]

Its clear what people think about artist stereotypes. But what does everyone think about stereotypical artists?

I am asking because i can see that i fit in to quite a few of the stereotypes mentioned, and i don`t wanna be hated! :D

My sleep cycle is totally random.
I exclude myself from many parts of society because i think there are too many idiots around. (Arrogant, me? noh!)
I sometimes stop and look at things that have interesting shapes, thinking "this would make a killer piece". (but no finger squares or fire hydrants.)
I drink.
I can`t do math, planning, organizing or buisness to save my life.
I have long hair and a beard to match.
I actually own a beret. (never use it tho.)
I have ADD.
I am an ateist.
and
I get loads of pussy!


I do wish that the last one was true. Not that i should complain... :D

My sleep cycle is totally random.
I exclude myself from many parts of society because i think there are too many idiots around. (Arrogant, me? noh! More of a Holden Caulfield complex with me about some of the standard social things...)
I sometimes stop and look at things that have interesting shapes, thinking "this would make a killer piece". (but no finger squares or fire hydrants.)
I drink. Underage...don't want to anyway...
I can do math, cannot do planning, organizing or buisness to save my life.
I have long hair and a beard to match. My high school won't let me, for they r t3h suXX0rz. When in college, though...
I actually own a fedora. (Use it every chance I get)
I have ADD. Concerta!
I am an ateist. Fundamentalist Christian. Oh well.
and
I get loads of pussy! Pshaw. Me neither.

[Poohgee]

yeah stereotyping ....

artists .. well are weird .. sometimes not that social ... strange customs ... think they are better than anyone else .. they are on a higher spiritual "level" ... artists can allways draw brilliantly .. yeah & of course make one little red dot on a bare canvas & call it art ... making people look at it long enough until they are convinced its art & worth tons of money ... they fill find anything fascinating especially the dirt on a lamp post .. do Matisse & Rothko ( Spelling ? ) - like paintings all the time ... have money .. or maybe the opposite ... are clearly individualists .. never wear anything mainstream ..do arty things all the time .. there are several types of artist-stereotypes ... miserable people might be another one .. which is propably often actually true in my opinion ... artists have lots of naked women waiting to be drawn or painted ... artists have big really messy studios ...

There are lots of them .. propably also depends quite a bit on where you live .
Fancy art programs which talk about "ART" certainly add to this kind of image .
Some cool stuff has already been mentioned .

:zzz: :^^:

[Robert.B]

wow you guys have made this one hell of a thread some of the stuff that has been said has made me question my self and my responcibillity as an artist.





MY Z SCULPT THREAD (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=38577)

[helix7]

wow you guys have made this one hell of a thread some of the stuff that has been said has made me question my self and my responcibillity as an artist.

Don't sweat it. That seems to be how things go in this business. On top of the pressure artists put on themselves in finding their own career path, we get these stereotypes and misconceptions piled on by other people. My way of dealing with it all and not going crazy has been to read alot of books. Anything and everything design related is fair game for my bookshelf, and it has put alot of things in perspective.

And speaking of responsibility as an artist, I've been reading Citizen Designer (http://www.allworth.com/Catalog/DW282.htm). It's more geared towards the graphic designer, but much of what is said can be applied to the art world in general.

[Steph Laberis]

Aside from what's been said, the only other stereotype I've encountered would be that people assume that all art students are on/experiment with drugs.

*shrug* I made it through 4 years of art school (and 24 years of life) without a cigarrette, a joint or anything else more hard-core than alcohol, but mostly because my thoughts weren't really on experimenting with substances. My own father was surprised when he found out I never tried any of that stuff in school, to the point where he would have thought I was more "normal" if I had.

ALSO... people assume that art school is a cake walk because you're not "really" studying anything and you're just there to have fun and do what you love because it comes to you SO easily and naturally and it's SO easy to get an A+ because all you have to do is make your pictures look pretty!!1!

Not touching that one.

[hopeless shade]

i hate how my parents refuse to accept that sometimes smart people want to do art. an art degree does not (necessarily) mean that i cannot get a degree in anything else. it means that i would rather spend my time doing something i love rather than something i like. my entire family is very science/math career-oriented, and they hate that being an artist doesnt have a required IQ level. ugh.


which is almost off-topic, but not quite...right? :^^;:

[cucaracha]

Things I always hear.
But listen, I'm not very good at drawing; very early stage.
Something that bothers me -

"Wow, you'z da shit!"
"Naw.."
"No really, your drawings are sooo badass"
"Uhm, no, you should see..."
"C'MON! They're fucking good. I could never draw like that, amazing!"
"No really, I know some people who can really draw, you should visit..."
"BAAH, you're kidding me, damn fine your stuff!"
"Ok, look at XYZ, the perspective is so off"
"Presep..? Anyways yoo r00l!"

:^^;:

[Summer Pudding]

Tall

Handsome

Great in the sack

Good to have onside in a ruck

Well, those keep cropping up for me.

[corky13]

wow so much is said in here and so much is true.

Well something I crossed was that almost everyone thinks that you have to have a special reason for making "art" . Like expressing dark and bloody feelings or to criticise everyone and everything <_< well i know some actually want this and its fine. Many of them are also doing amazing stuff. but not everyone is like that...I , for myself, draw because i have fun doing it...i can get off some ideas i have and i get a small endorphin boost while drawing...it just makes me happy and i dont need to give every piece of sh*t i draw a special reason
Drawing for the Drawing itself somehow ^^

And some people think that a artist who draws People with big muscles or big boobs has a inferiority complex o.O

[LaPalida]

artists have big really messy studios ...

hey that's not a stereotype... have you seen the "show your studios" thread?? heh

[Xpose]

ooh! i know a few.

As an artist, i've been sorta stereotpyed in several ways

-people think i'm satanic, or that i slaughter animals and eat my feces or rape children or perform other socially unacceptable behaviors. I don't.

-people think i'm gay. or weird. people who know me well know i'm not gay and i'm one of the more normal people they know. I just do things differently.

-people think i'm always on drugs. I mean ALWAYS. nope, sorry, i can't afford the upkeep. Sometimes i am, though.

there's a few more, tell me if what i said was helpful at all and i'll put some time into a real response.

Dude I know exactly where you're coming from. All through I High School I was Satanic and Gothic because of what I drew and the music I listened to. Since then I got my lip pierced I can just imagine what they would say now...

[MuffinMan]

Dude I know exactly where you're coming from. All through I High School I was Satanic and Gothic because of what I drew and the music I listened to. Since then I got my lip pierced I can just imagine what they would say now...

same here, i mostly dress in that sorta way, black clothes mostly, soon to get tatoos and maybe a lip ring, i listen to alot of dark music :confident

[klinesmoker]

Stereotypes about artists... Too numerous to mention them all. Here are a few I run into:
Hopeless dreamers that can't make it with what they have.
Good artists are a dime a dozen (generally from no talent ass-clowns).
Into the "goth" scene.
Cry over sunsets on a beach, because... they're...so... damn... BEAUTIFUL!
Many more, I'd say, but those are the main stereotypes.
Oh, around here for my style it's:
"You don't draw them there hawses? What's the matter with you? We want to see more cowboys and hawses! You'' never sell that there demon art! You're a follower of the devil!

~Chris

[Midnight]

Typically:

I'm very disturbed.
I'm a waster - born with talent and I never have to work to improve, since it just happens.

[LaPalida]

"You don't draw them there hawses? What's the matter with you? We want to see more cowboys and hawses! You'' never sell that there demon art! You're a follower of the devil!

Where the hell do you people live? Jesusland? I've never heard any of these things.

[klinesmoker]

Where the hell do you people live? Jesusland? I've never heard any of these things.
Jesusland, Wyoming, same thing.

[Rusty]

During lifedrawing classes that "look for the flow","build your drawings up with basic shapes" nonsense that goes on...Im only there to gork at ladies titties!! ;P

heh!

..Jace

[hopeless shade]

Jesusland, Wyoming, same thing.


at least you're not in texas, its just more people to tell you the same thing.

[Xpose]

I live in Arkansas so shut up all of you! lol

[SJ Bennighof]

at least you're not in texas, its just more people to tell you the same thing.

Ugh. I second that. While I am a Christian, I hold that art is a language, and saying that it's sinful to draw a demon is akin to saying that it's sinful to say the word "demon". There are people in my AP Eng 4 class who are seriously miffed that they have to read novels with swear words in them. "It's like the school is telling us that it's okay to say the F-word!" they say of The Things They Carried. Wow, so "Oedipus Rex" tells us that it's okay to kill random people in road-rage and then marry your own mother. I showed a flip-book of mine a few years back to a nurse at the dentist's office, you know, cheesy slap-stick lightsaber dueling with stick figures, and she said "That's morbid! They're fighting!" :nohope:

[darth massacre]

Non-artist person: So you Don't work at Pixar?
Me: No.
Non-artist person: Well you should, I loved their movies. I just saw Shrek 2 last week.
Sounds like a page from my own life. :teeth:



I think I don't fit into the standard artist image.

- Short cropped military haircut. If its any consolation, I used to have a ponytail.
- Don't drink, smoke or utilize substances.
- Not big on fashion statements, anything that's comfy works.
- I know my way around math and science, just not well enough.
- Absolute love for political/military history.
- Tech-head.
- Geardo.
- Almost all my close buddies are engineers or programmers.
- Not successful with women.


What part that does fit into the artist stereotype though is:

- Always poor.
- Messy workplace.
- Has a problem with authority.
- Has an ego problem.



Whenever someone asks me to "draw them something", I politely decline. If they press their position, I write them a reciept before I start work. When they freak out, I explain that I'm a professional artist doing art for a living and cannot work for free. Pisses folks off, but I don't give a shit coz I'm always poor and need the cash.

[sula_nebouxi]

Holy crap Darth...you just described me...except for that math part. I'm pretty bad at it. There is no word strong enough to describe how much i hate it.

-I had semi-long hair a few years ago too, came down the sides and pretty much covered my ears. Now it's short, with this little flip in the front.
-No mood-altering/enhancing substances for this youngin'.
-I wear anything that's comfy, usually it's a shirt, jeans and sneakers.
-I'm actually reading a book in Superstring theory, The Elegant Universe, so I do have an interest in science, even though the math is totally beyond me.
-I love reading up on medieval european history, I just think the whole romantic idea of knights and chivalry and sacking a castle are interesting to me.
-I'm a techie, a computer geek, I love gadgets, my friends are geeks too. One is going to be a computer scientist specializing in algorithms for cryin out loud...
-I actually listen to mainstream music. I just like stuff that sounds good. Classical(orchestra-type stuff), 80's/90's and stuff like that. Can't stand hiphop or country.
-No intention to create bloody, "I want to kill everyone", the world sucks, contemporary type drawings/art.
-And yes, I have no luck with the opposite sex. *tear*

What I actually conform to:
-I'm assuming many artists have liberal, anti-corporate views. I kinda have the same views but not to the extreme.
-I'm messy as hell

I'm really tired of people saying that I can draw anything just because I say I'm an artist. My brother even asked if I could design a logo for him. I told him I'm no graphic designer. He tells me "So? You're an artist, draw it." Ugh...when will people understand?

And! Holy crap...is my family against me for choosing this path. It doesn't even stop at my immediate family. My aunt would rather have me do something that actually "earns" money. The only one who kinda supports me is my dad. They would all rather see me try and be a lawyer or doctor instead of what *I* want to be. Well, part of the reason is cultural. We're Asian, mostly immigrated here back in the 80's. We still hold on the views of strong education and trying to get the most money out of life. So we all need to strive to be like Johnny Cochran and Doogie Howser.

Sigh...ok I'm done

[Mercer]

...they have fantasies involving paint and secks. :nohope: that was the wierdest one i was like "whhaaaat?!" very interesting.

[Xpose]

paint and sex huh?.... hmm definately a diffrent thing there lol

[MuffinMan]

Ugh. I second that. While I am a Christian, I hold that art is a language, and saying that it's sinful to draw a demon is akin to saying that it's sinful to say the word "demon". There are people in my AP Eng 4 class who are seriously miffed that they have to read novels with swear words in them. "It's like the school is telling us that it's okay to say the F-word!" they say of The Things They Carried. Wow, so "Oedipus Rex" tells us that it's okay to kill random people in road-rage and then marry your own mother. I showed a flip-book of mine a few years back to a nurse at the dentist's office, you know, cheesy slap-stick lightsaber dueling with stick figures, and she said "That's morbid! They're fighting!" :nohope:

lol, i'm not christian but my parents are...and they just don't agree with the dark stuff that i draw...

[2ma2]

I've actually applied for jobs and upon showing up for the interview dressed in a suit with a conservative haircut and trimmed moustache (sort of looking like a young Walt Disney) received an awkward reception. I was even told once, "We thought you would look a little more creative, you know, like an artist." One stereo-type I hate is that male artists should look like Kid Rock or Tommy Lee. Otherwise how could we be REAL artists? Likewise we should all talk like either Keith Richards, Richard Simmons, or Jeremy Irons depending on the occasion and the work produced.

Heh. Nick Cave wears a suit EVERY day, and he works on his own. I would rather find it great that someone applying for a job, not expressed himself through clothing. More expression to be done on the job ;)

On the other issues then, I can somewhat agree on some stereotypes. Illustration can be really REALLY good money, atleast in Sweden. And the things I see get put out, praised and awarded. Gee-heesus! It's really like we have egos so tied up in their own creation, because when your aknowledged, your aknowledged for life. But that is the market's blame. People want that thing they did 30 years ago, and diversity among artists isn't something that gets awarded. Instead, people search to find their own unique way of portraying stuff, hoping to one day be hip and have his future secured. I'd say, traditional drawing and thorough studies are to be extinct, which is a shame because I'm a firm believer of the thesis of learning realism and then warp it.

On the other hand, some people really seem to be lazy when they're in the business, fueling the stereotypes. I've dealt with a possible client wanting two try-outs for some funky TV-project. When sending them off, he had the nerve to tell me that "you've now done two things really important when working with TV. You portrayed what we agreed on, and you delivered in time".
Excuse me?
What, people actually make a castle and a dragon instead of a AA-cannon? Or has this guy never worked with an illustrator before? No wait he said he did so that leaves two options: 1: He's insane or 2: his former employee were, and my bet is actually on option 2. I've heard editors for one of the bigger magazines dealing with alternative comics talking about working with a fella who's been in the business for over 15 years, and as deadline approcahes, he still doesn't know if it's going to be 3 or 12 pages long. In the end it's 1 page, so what the hell? And they put up with this? Yes, because people like his stuff, which is basically the same stuff he's been doing the past 15 years. Bleeaargh..

[Robert.B]

wow this thread hasnt been touched in a while, but any way i just wanted to say for any one reading this who finds that some of these sterotypes fit your charcateristics please dont take it to heart it doesnt mean that your a stereotype or anything. I mean hell at one point or another we all do something unaware of rather we are contributing to a sterotype or creating one. The point is do what you feel but dont allow others to degrade you with
there assumptions or debasing opinions.

[Flaskpost]

One of the odder ones I've been told is that all artists have great handwriting..

If thats even remotely true, I'm screwed.

Haha! Me too. I´ve got the worst handwriting ever.


Hmm, maybe it´s a sign. :er:

[broken lizard]

man......i guess that i can't fit into an artist stereotype, as i'm twelve and most people in my region haven't ACTUALLY SEEN ART/ARTISTS. crap, and i don't care about twelve century paintings of naked men. those things are soooooo dull. art should be interesting and not creepy, unless it's of something actually scarey.

and who doesn't love the colour black?

[Skuli]

here in Iceland it won't be long until people think of artists as "hello, im weird 'caus im all about trying to be weird" folks who cut down soccer balls and rearrange them and glue plastic numbers on a wall and call it art... gahh I hate them :dead:

[WalterTheBuffalo]

Along the lines of darth, I am also a Christian, and I'm serious about it too. However, that doesnt mean "dark" stuff can't look cool, I was up till the wee hours looking at Warhammer 40k art (I heart Space Marines!), and nearly every picture i draw has some sort of object capable of causing injury in it, but I rarely draw actual acts of violence.
Sometimes it can be embarassing when people want to see my sketchbook, because hey, don't guys who look/dress/act like you just draw landscapes and portraits and cars and stuff? Obviously, how you look severely impacts what you like too draw. If that were the case, I would walk into a store wearing chainmail after I had parked my mech across three parking spaces.

[Robert.B]

I was leafing through some of my old threads and I found this one and started reading though it again. Its amazing how allot of these issues are still being delt with so i felt it was relevant for some of the new members to leaf through these and share there experiences if they feel inclined.

[Peter Coene]

So far the most interesting one I've had was a gay guy hitting on me because he thought that being an artist means I must go for guys. If I remember correctly the reasoning went somewhere allong these lines:

"Only gay people are refined and sensitive enough to be sophisticated and intelligent. If you are an artist you must be sophisticated and intelligent and therefore must be gay."

I have also found that people assume that because I am an artist I must want to hear about their grungy little 5 year old who is "so good at art." Granted, that usually comes after they see me sketching and have to let out the assinine phrase, "hey, thats really good, are you an artist?" :frustrated:

Other fun ones are the ones that assume that if you say you are an artist you must do the whole gallery thing, and that you want to hear all of their oppinions about a dead guy that you already heard waaaay too much about in your modernism class durring you first term at art school. And if all you can really remember is "he's the guy that turned a urinal on its side and called it a sculpture" then they stick their nose up like you are some unclean uncultured rag.

Then theres always the assumption that because you are an artist you want to see the tattoo that they got... this one is even worse when it is on a rather big-boned female and requires lifting/shifting/removal of clothing to be seen.

And I also can't forget the "You're an artist? Dude, you must get lots of girls." ...Yeah, because everyone knows that girls automatically flop on their back and open their legs at the sight of a scrawny guy with a sketchbook.

[jadefoodog]

i heard a stereotype that artist whine alot about how unfairly they are treated and labeled

[B u r l]

-I was once told that I "look like an artist" because I had a beared and scruffy hair :/.

-People think art's an easy subject because you're "just sitting at a desk doodling or painting pictures and cartoons". It's like they think it compares to when they was a little kid drawing cartoons.

-We just love to do work for free.

-We should all try getting real jobs.

-I've been told that i'm gonna go on a slaughtering rampage or kill myself, just because I enjoy to paint the darker sides of things. If your're not drawing perfect beautiful chicks then you must be mentally ill.

I just want to follow my dream, but people just love to give you a hard time about it. I'd be left alone if I went and got an office 9 - 5 job for the rest of my life.
It's like most people don't believe in following their dream (or just eventually think "fuck it"), so they pass on their negative thoughts to everyone else.

[Maridius]

Since I got middle aged before the art bug seriously bit me (and hard!) the stereotypes I'm saddled with are age related for the most part. Stuff like 'middle aged ladies only draw pastoral 'Thomas Kinkade' type scenes, flowers and still lifes for people's living rooms--why the hell are you drawing cartoons and dream of the day you can convincingly draw a land whale romping across the African savanna or illustrate key scenes from your own novels? Are you crazy?'

Um, yeah. So?

The other one is that people my age CAN'T ever succeed, starting late like I did or that if I was really talented, I'd have a fire in my belly from day one. Or that, since we're basically rotting slowly, in a few years my nervous system will be too moldy to cope with a steady line so I should give it up now while I'm at the bottom of the Altzeimer hill of senility.

My own mother thinks I should go back to painting pastels of puppies and babies. *sigh* When I was doing those, I did OK because I've always been pretty good at copying from reference. Well now I want real drawing skills and to her dismay, I've lost all interest in the cute stuff, which I liked when I was in my 20's! Go figure. I'm the inverse of the stereotype lol.

And yeah, even at my raw beginner stage I get people asking for freebies too. I never saw that as a stereotype until I read the thread--just figured it was people who felt they couldn't do any better than me and they'd be too afraid to ask for a freebie when my skills grew. Guess I'm wrong :D

[Ilaekae]

Maridius, tell 'em all to go to hell. :P

[Cercie]

The one thing that always bothered me when i told people i was going to art school is they asked what kind of job i would have.

-"So are you going to be a teacher?"
While i have nothing against art teachers(i certainly wouldnt be here without them), i can't teach anybody anything, so it always just irritates me when people ask that, because i'm learning art so i can make it, not teach it.

my other favorite is
-"do you want to be a curator at an art museum?"
If i wanted to work in an art museum i'd have been an art history major, not an artist. makes me want to strangle people.

[Kman.]

I second/third a lot of those. Especially "Are you gonna work for pixar? You really should!"

Pixar is not the only company out there people! If it was there'd be a whole lot of nothing in the entertainment business.

[Peter Coene]

Maridius, tell 'em all to go to hell. :P
and then hit 'em with your cane.

[DanielC]

im an artist so i cant think scientifically.....

[Lastro]

People who say that because I'm an Asian, I'm automatically good at art. Yeah...that's the reason.

People who ask me for freebies, even though I'm still learning, are annoying. Especially the ones asking for tattoos. God, they suck.

Someone actually assumed that because I'm an artist that I'm automatically a procrastinator. Sure, I sometimes do things late when it comes to school, but it's not because I don't want to do them. I usually forget to do them then rush it when I remember.

I'm good at math, I love doing math actually. And I love watching people's faces when they realize I'm good in math, but that only lasts for a second when they say that it's because I'm Korean, my mom's a math whiz and my sister's a genius in math just because she teaches Calculus to University students who are seniors to her. Ugh, shut up already.

And I HATE those anime freaks. The fact that I'm Asian and I love to draw only draws more of them in. "Oooo, you can draw? Can you draw me -insert some random anime character I've never heard of nor will have the desire to find out about-with me in a lovey duvey pose?" And when I bluntly state that I don't like anime anymore, they get all cross eyed over it.

My English teacher gained my respect when he told me this: "My friend wished he could have time to draw, but I told him that he shouldn't wish about giving the time to draw, he should just do it. Just put the time and effort to draw." (skewered that quote...)

[Maridius]

and then hit 'em with your cane.

Screw that. I'll just serve 'em some of the house speciality; Ex-Lax candies with a Metamucal cocktail. soooo smooth.

[Frankie Boy]

I don't know if it's really a stereotype but I always carry around a little pad of paper that fits in my back pocket and my friends ridicule me for it..

[Peter Coene]

People who say that because I'm an Asian, I'm automatically good at art. Yeah...that's the reason.
Huh, I haven't heard that one about asians. Usually the steriotypes I heard about Asians and art were:

"Asians are good at copying techniques and getting all the different rules memorised, but are lacking when it comes to their own creativity."

"Chinese parents don't let their kids get into art unless they already expect them to fail at life anyways. Or else they have another child who they expect to succeed as a doctor/lawyer/architect and so don't care."

"Korean girls always include some sort of uplifting Christian moral in their artwork, but use weird symbols for it that really don't seem to make any sense to westerners."

There were a few others that I can't remember, but being at a school with a very high percentage of the student body being Asian I ended up hearing a lot of steriotypes, usually one group of Asians trying to educate the ignorant white boy (me) about another group of Asians. As for myself, I figured that it would be wise to stay neutral.

[dragonsdale]

wow... you guys have it relatively easy.
up here everyone calls you gay if you like to draw...

[Peter Coene]

wow... you guys have it relatively easy.
up here everyone calls you gay if you like to draw...

so homophobia exists in the frozen Dale of dragons?

[dragonsdale]

so homophobia exists in the frozen Dale of dragons?

XD
yes, yes it does! others just call it norway however.

[c-hsu-run]

It blows people's mind when I admit that I enjoyed coding/building robots/AI and would love to pick it up as a hobby. (When I have the money to buy materials, lol)

Oh and the "female artists can't draw bad-ass mechs with a large array of guns."

>>;

[Ilaekae]

c-hsu-run, I've been shot, stabbed, sliced with a beer bottle, choked, had a 300-pound desk almost kill me after it was tossed out a fifth-floor window, and had a three-foot-high wooden whiskey cask thrown at me, and mentioning the various tools, eating utensils, plates, rocks and car parts thrown at me as an afterthought, all I can say is...

NOT one of the above involved anyone of the male sex as the "other" party...

Women are fuckin' evil and fuckin' dangerous. :P



ADD: I forgot about the six times I was hit by a car (five driven by women--two on purpose and pissed off), and three wrecks I was in as a passenger (all three with women drivers).

I'm just glad one hasn't come up to me yet with a gasoline can and a lighter...


ADD-2: ...oh...all of the above were artists except five...and they claim commercial fisherman is a dangerous job.

[dragonsdale]

c-hsu-run, I've been shot, stabbed, sliced with a beer bottle, choked, had a 300-pound desk almost kill me after it was tossed out a fifth-floor window, and had a three-foot-high wooden whiskey cask thrown at me, and mentioning the various tools, eating utensils, plates, rocks and car parts thrown at me as an afterthought, all I can say is...

NOT one of the above involved anyone of the male sex as the "other" party...

Women are fuckin' evil and fuckin' dangerous. :P



ADD: I forgot about the six times I was hit by a car (five driven by women--two on purpose and pissed off), and three wrecks I was in as a passenger (all three with women drivers).

I'm just glad one hasn't come up to me yet with a gasoline can and a lighter...


ADD-2: ...oh...all of the above were artists except five...and they claim commercial fisherman is a dangerous job.

BY ALL DIRTY FISHERMEN OF TROMS! what the feck are you doing for a living? secret agent man that often battles evil enemy agents in tight leather clothes?
:mod:

[Sway West]

Never an honest, hard day's work in your LIFE! Your hands are soft, too.

[JL.Alfaro]

okay...

I went to pick up my step-daughter at school one day, I met her music teacher who asked if I could help out with a play of sorts. regretfully I said.."sure" sigh

Conversation went as follows:
Teacher- Oh you're her step dad, thats great!...so do you think you can help us out with the play? we need hands on, what can you do?

me - Im an artist,..I illustrate..(got cut off at this point)

teacher- oh so you're not working! great, you have plenty of time to help out.

me- ..er...actually I do...(got cut off again)

teacher- you can help us paint this-n-that..

me- ok, well that sounds like fun, I guess I can make some time..

teacher- oh you got time, we'll put you to work..at least until you find a "real" job.


I guess I need a "real" job guys...anyone got any leads for guy on a "real" job?
or a definition of a "real" job at least...

[Ilaekae]

MacDonald's. The wouldn't hire me because I wouldn't wear a full-body hair net...

Want their number? ...oh...and shave first.

[Vhan Juju]

I guess I need a "real" job guys...anyone got any leads for guy on a "real" job?
or a definition of a "real" job at least...

Everybody knows that you dont have a "REAL" job unless you walk out at the end of the day smelling like tax forms, know how to use the printing / faxing / copying / life sucking machine, and wear a suit...ALL AT THE SAME TIME! HA!

[JL.Alfaro]

illi- I worked there when I was a lad...had to wear a face-hair-net, ta hell with that, itchy as fuck.... and I only shave when its "saturday night" know what I mean..hehe :perv:

that last comment just disqualified me for 80% of "real" jobs...

Vhan- I work the copier monster pretty good, I know where to kick it to get it going again...for some reason everyone at the office comes to me when the damn thing jams, I mean..c'mon...thats not my job...or is it?

[Robert.B]

Real jobs come with sexual herassment policies.

[Molly]

...they're all making lolcats and think its funny, when they could be brushing up on their artist skills, grammar and punctuation.

[Diphallia]

[QUOTE=PencilPunx;214825

#2 "You only take art classes so you can draw your own naked lady pictures!"

;)[/QUOTE]

I like stereotypes.

[Monkeydominator]

Amen, Diphallia. Amen.

Well, I happen to be a female artist (well... beginning artist), this automatically meaning:

- I can magically spew out landscape pictures out of my ass because that's what female artists do

- I should stop drawing guys that smoke (yes, I've heard this)

- U CANNOT DRAEW GUNS. U GO PAINT ME SUM PORTRAITS.

- I drew (partly still draw) animé style and thusly will never ever draw anything else for the rest of my life.

- I'm SENSITIVE. We're all SENSITIVE. I need an UNDERSTANDING BOYFRIEND that can keep up with my CONSTANT CRYING.

- I'll stop drawing in a couple of years, because... it's just one of those girl periods. Yes, apparently I'll bleed out art now and then I'll stop and go on with my life. Want me to go back to the kitchen, dear?

And of course, in the artist cathegory, we have the classics:

- lol hi u caen paint me sum portraits in 5 minutes lol yeah?

- I know EVERYTHING about EVERY ART STYLE that have been created in the history of man.

- wait... study? You mean artists must do research and practice and... huh? What? You're not an athlete, dude. Why do YOU practice?

Also, I was drawing some random chick once, and a boy asked me why it was so sketchy. I answered that they were helping lines so I can get the propotions right. Where I was met with "you need HELPING LINES? I thought you were an artist?"

[Coinpurse]

Stereotypes are definitely fun.

anyone ever had a friend or family member try to flip through one of your empty sketchbooks (newly purchased?)
huuhhh? huhhh?

[Elwell]

I guess I need a "real" job guys...anyone got any leads for guy on a "real" job?
or a definition of a "real" job at least...
Wouldn't know, never had one.
And your daughter's music teacher obviously assumes you're as much of an "artist" as she is a "musician."

[Jacob Kobryn]

We're all extremely eccentric.
We always know where to find LSD.
We love classical music.
We're all perverts.
We're all feminine.
We're all "crafty" and love making macaroni frames and shit like that.
We're all poor.
We only draw because we can't get a "real" job.
We all are obsessed with beauty and say that everything is wonderful. "I'm just going to paint a happy little tree. It's a tree that just makes everyone feel fantastic. A nice, beautiful little tree."
We only love to paint flowers.
We live in coffee houses, galleries, and museums.
We're all hippys.
We're all happy and we paint to express our joy and to share the beauty of the world.

Did I miss anything?

[Brushcommander]

All male artists have beards.

[Farvus]

Here are stereotypes that I experienced so far. They doesn't differ much from what everybody said so far.

- I can draw well so I must be from some art school.

- The only way of getting money from art is would be by selling landscapes or portraits on street. It's not "real" job anyway.
Such jobs like illustrator or concept artist doesn't exist in people's minds.

- I can only draw beautiful things like flowers, colorful landscapes of pretty girls. Creating art that portrays something creepy or ugly is just wrong.

[dragonsdale]

Amen, Diphallia. Amen.

Well, I happen to be a female artist (well... beginning artist), this automatically meaning:

- I can magically spew out landscape pictures out of my ass because that's what female artists do

- I should stop drawing guys that smoke (yes, I've heard this)

- U CANNOT DRAEW GUNS. U GO PAINT ME SUM PORTRAITS.

- I drew (partly still draw) animé style and thusly will never ever draw anything else for the rest of my life.

- I'm SENSITIVE. We're all SENSITIVE. I need an UNDERSTANDING BOYFRIEND that can keep up with my CONSTANT CRYING.

- I'll stop drawing in a couple of years, because... it's just one of those girl periods. Yes, apparently I'll bleed out art now and then I'll stop and go on with my life. Want me to go back to the kitchen, dear?

And of course, in the artist cathegory, we have the classics:

- lol hi u caen paint me sum portraits in 5 minutes lol yeah?

- I know EVERYTHING about EVERY ART STYLE that have been created in the history of man.

- wait... study? You mean artists must do research and practice and... huh? What? You're not an athlete, dude. Why do YOU practice?

Also, I was drawing some random chick once, and a boy asked me why it was so sketchy. I answered that they were helping lines so I can get the propotions right. Where I was met with "you need HELPING LINES? I thought you were an artist?"

Do i know you?

[NoSeRider]

Terms like Narcissism and Borderline and Schizotypal and Hystrionic are all formal technical terms for varieties of stuck personality, by the way. People who are not therapists use different terms to refer to such people, "Jerk" or "Asshole" being rather common names that Narcissists get called behind their backs. Other varieties of personality disorder might be labeled: "Spooky", "Overly Dramatic", "Manipulative" "Aloof", "Scary", "Prickly", "Milquetoast", and "Spineless" to name but a few.

I find a lot of artists have those behaviors.........http://boards.polycount.net/images/smilies/pcount/icons/poly122.gif

But then again....so does everybody else.

[Vhan Juju]

That Just because I do recreational, legal graffiti (That I dont even post here, so dont even bother looking you right clicking bastards!)

I can't have interests in the voilin, and paino...and actually not listion to "modren rap",

that apparently, because all I lift is a pencil, I dont lift weights,

Because I draw, I would never, ever, ever punch you in the face, or litter, because thats bad for the enviorment.

Because I'm a artist, I despise your way of life, and you as a person, because you were a tie, and I dont like ties.

Edit: --> :) Adding a smily face! (dont want you to read this with the wrong tone, I'm not all caps RAWR!, lol, keep it lighthearted!

[Peter Coene]

- I'll stop drawing in a couple of years, because... it's just one of those girl periods. Yes, apparently I'll bleed out art now and then I'll stop and go on with my life.
hmm, artistic menopause... interesting.

[Vhan Juju]

How about:

Because your a girl and you like art, you wear boys clothes, and never shave.

[dragonsdale]

How about:

Because your a girl and you like art, you wear boys clothes, and never shave.

i must confess i was tempted to say "but thats exactly what she does..." if you sorta were replying to Monkeydominator.
but she'd kill me. with fire.
so instead i say, in response to vhan juju
Because I draw, I would never, ever, ever punch you in the face, or litter, because thats bad for the enviorment.

when i was in youth school (high school, i think its called in english) some guys would call me gay for liking to draw. so i punched them in the face.
futhermore i have studied how many artists react to voilence. many of them are "closet-khans" that means that they secretively would have NO problems having ALL people they find annoying thrown into a bit of burning snakes.
this study was primary on scandinavian artists tho' and only on those i know/had close by or could find the e-mail adress to.
conclusion: beware of the internet!

disclaimer: dont listen to me. its soon midnight. im so sleepy i cant see the walls,
.