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Snowball
April 27th, 2004, 03:59 PM
Well its been a while since I posted. But I am back with another WIP using my Wacom and "still" trying to learn and improve in digital art. I really like what I have going in this pic but any painter tips and C&C is always welcome. I am using Painter Classic.
http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Snowball/Art/SadFuzzyAlien.jpg :)

johanson
April 27th, 2004, 06:07 PM
I’m guessing the green along his front is going to be green light. I may be wrong about that. But if you are going for a feeling of light, then everything else on him has to be darker. Otherwise, the green reads as a color change in the fur rather than a change in the light.

Unless you’re planning on leaving the background white, then you might want to block in the basic shapes and values of the background. Your eye judges colors and values by what is around them. So, painting something that is surrounded by white is very different than painting something on say… a 50% gray. If you try and add a background later, you may find that you have to change all the values in the character.

Keep us posted,

-Andrew

killing.people
April 27th, 2004, 09:12 PM
you know what a snowball is, right? :p

Junior Mints
April 27th, 2004, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by johanson

Your eye judges colors and values by what is around them. So, painting something that is surrounded by white is very different than painting something on say… a 50% gray. If you try and add a background later, you may find that you have to change all the values in the character.

-Andrew


:eek: dude i finally got it. I have been reading pages and pages all about that topic and i understood it, but i never understood WHY or the principle behind blocking in values first. I was awlways like wtf good is this... but just with your one paragraph i completely understand now, thanks!

:)

johanson
April 27th, 2004, 10:04 PM
Junior Mints,
I’m really glad that I could be of help. Sometimes I worry that I’m just rambling.

Looking forward to your next post,

-Andrew

Snowball
April 28th, 2004, 06:39 AM
Hi, thank you for the comments Johanson. I will definitely take what you said into consideration. My old art teacher that I continue to question and show my stuff to tells me to throw in a background color before I sketch as well. I find that lately I just can't think of overall environment or mood of a piece I just get right into the sketching of the character, I guess its something I have to work on. But I'll post any updates that I can get happening on this one. Thanks again. Oh and what did Killing People mean about his post....whateva.

Snowball
April 28th, 2004, 10:29 AM
Well I darkened the character like what was mentioned, and I also roughed in a background, hoping to capture the "alien in the feild" sort of feeling. Let me know how the update looks and if I am headed in the right direction.
http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Snowball/Art/SadFuzzyAlien2.jpg

Snowball
April 29th, 2004, 07:31 AM
Hello, here is another update on my alien. One problem I think I may haven encounted is that with the update on my background, it leaves me with quite the problem when it comes to the sky and any other larger BG colors. So I am not sure how that will work now. But let me know how I am doing. I think this is the furthest I have ever delved into a digital piece yet.
http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Snowball/Art/SadFuzzyAlien3.jpg

Junior Mints
April 29th, 2004, 07:57 AM
Hmm you wish to plan it out before you start.
You can solve your problem by working in layers. THen you can just put color behind the grass and you won't have to always work from the bottom up. You might want to read some beginning books on using Photoshop or whatever youre using.
You can create a layer (in photoshop or painter) by going to the layers palette and looking for the new layer button. Just move that layer underneath and you can paint on it without ruining the one on top. Add as many as you want (ie, you could have 1 layer for background, 1 for grass, 1 for alien).
Because you already started one 1 layer though (im' assuming that when you said it would be hard to paint the background, you meant this), you might have to restart your painting using layers, or be very tedious from now on. I guess youcould cut and paste but i dont know if youre up for that.

Keep up the good work :)

Snowball
April 29th, 2004, 08:33 AM
ya I know what you mean about the layers and stuff, I have used layers in this piece, the thing is, about the background, the grass is on the Background Layer, so therefore I do believe filling in a sky will be very tedious as you have mentioned. Unless of course it is possible to create a new layer underneath the BG layer, which I think is not possible. I'l just have to keep this all in mind next time. :rolleyes:

Junior Mints
April 29th, 2004, 11:19 AM
If youre rolling your eyes at me for talking "dumbed down" to you them maybe you should specify more what the hell youre talking about. If youre rolling them in general then asdf.

Yes, you can add another layer under background. Use channels.

shortmikeshort
April 29th, 2004, 12:55 PM
You can copy the background layer by dragging it (inside the layers palette) onto the New Layer Button. A copy will appear that you will then be free to do with as you please.

And, a Snowball is when you suck someone off until they cum in your mouth, and then you kiss them and spit the cum into their mouth. Watch Clerks.

Snowball
April 29th, 2004, 01:36 PM
First of Junior Mints..no I was not rolling my eyes at you I was rolling them at myself for not going about the background first and foremost, sorry if it seemed that way, I still see no point in you getting all bothered over it...but thanks for the help, oh and "shortmikeshort", thank you....not for the whole snowball definition....it was only my nickname because I have no hair (well very very short hair) and my last name is Snow hence people began rubbing my head and calling my Snowball, but if you think of it as a sick term and it entertains you then by all means think of it...rright.:confused: ...anyways layta!
oh and I forgot to mention that I am using Painter Classic, and I don't see "channels" anywhere and I tried dragging it and that don't seem to work, so maybe I am stuck with no solution in this program, not quite sure.

Junior Mints
April 29th, 2004, 03:45 PM
Alright. it's all good then :chug:
It just pisses me off when people are vague ask for help and you give it to them, but then they go and bitch abuot how they already knew that and whine whine blah blah. Like you should be thankful i took my time to tell you, even if it wasnt the right info. But if you didn't do that it's all good, sorry for assuming. :o

I forgot how you use channels in painter, you should go to Window > Show channels, there it is but i only know how to use it in photoshop.

I would recommend just deleteing the background and saving the alien, and just redo the grass and background seperately. It shouldnt be hard at all, just pick some different greens for the grass and it will be good.

Snowball
May 2nd, 2004, 11:57 AM
Hi again people, thanks for all the comments and help thus far. Well I sat down trying to figure out how to go about finishing the BG and I decided to grab the "digital airbrush" and sprayed right on top of my BG Layer over the grass and all, and I find it actually really helped, because it made everything darker which was needed and the detials of the grass is still evident. SO I am quite pleased with the outcome. The alien still has no eye, but please let me know how its turning out and again any tips or C&C quite welcome, and thank you.
http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Snowball/Art/SadFuzzyAlien4.jpg :)
I have no idea why it turned out smaller then the other posts, kinda lost the quality by doing that..oh my.