Huge environment elephants ships etc

[treeshark]

This is the finished version of a panoramic pic. I posted the line work a while ago
there's a larger version and a perspective how to do on links below.
http://www.treeshark.com/images/draw/psm.jpg
two details
http://www.treeshark.com/images/draw/pde1.jpg
http://www.treeshark.com/images/draw/pde2.jpg

Big version (http://www.treeshark.com/images/draw/pbg.jpg)

Perpective Tutorial (http://www.treeshark.com/Persptut.html)

[7even]

Awesome! I love it. Keep em coming.

[Matt Smith]

This is really a great piece. I like the idea of day on one side and night on the other. just one tiny little comment, being that this is more of a cartoony looking piece, I think you rendered the smoke from the train alittle too realistic. Would be nice to see some WIP's. Keep up the good work.

[Scubasteve]

Love it! Makes me want to work on my perspective!

[adien]

awesome panorama.

And man that tutorial! I'd just about gotten the hang of building my own single point, 2 point, and 3 point perspective grids, and you come along and blow my mind! :ep: :electric: :hothead:

I saved your grids, I'm going to see if I can wrap my mind around them to the point where I can build those too! :) although, not much point i guess, if every viewpoint is on one grid. will make me understand it better anyways I guess.

Thanks for sharing bro!! :chug:

[treeshark]

thanks for feed back was aload of work this one. You are right about the smoke.
Here's some stages from sketch.
http://www.treeshark.com/images/draw/pan1.jpg
Rough sketch
http://www.treeshark.com/images/draw/pan2.jpg
refined linework
http://www.treeshark.com/images/draw/pan3.jpg
Final Line
http://www.treeshark.com/images/draw/pan4.jpg
this the only color stage I've got!

[Scubasteve]

You have some terrific stuff on your website. I like the "Leak" piece. Since most of the elements are in the foreground, and their isn't much plane difference, did you use a perspective grid on that one, or did you just approximate the perspective. Curious about how I should approach similar projects....

[treeshark]

Thanks Steve no The leaks pic is much more cartoony so it's set up in really simple layers fore ground middle and distance roughly stitched together by the hammock on one side and the building on the other. Perspective is yer good old plainvanilla trad! The brief was for a seaside postcard look as sold in Blackpool England. It was used as a print to go in the rooms of a hotel at a theme park. I also designed the rest of the room furniture, carpets and such....on a later visit I had to sleep in my own creation for a month... I still wake up screaming.

[Chris Beatrice]

I really like what you're trying to do here, and the drawing in general.
As a follow up to Matt Smith's comment, I think there are quite a few places where the drawing / painting "styles" or looks that you've employed are somewhat disjointed with one another. That's making it feel a little "collage-like" to me, despite the fact that the line drawing itself is very, very consistent and cohesive for such an amitious scene.

Contrast the train smoke, the street stones in the lower left, the mountains, sky, and the rest of the buildings, and also the train tracks. Part of it, too, is that there is no middle ground (nothing between the city and the mountains), so it feels like the mountains are some painted backdrop, and the city is a stage set.

This often happens when you use image reference material from different sources. I'm not sure if that's what happened here though.

Anyway, very nice.

[treeshark]

No Image reference was used except for the elephants! As to mid distance i'm not sure I agree this would often happen in an urban scene and realism wasn't my intent. The only thing that it might be is that I feel the mountains are too high which brings them too close to the town. I'll chop em down and see if it looks better! The sky is perhaps a bit smooth as I did it with the airbrush i might try it more roughly painted., thanks for crit.
Rob

[treeshark]

Here it is with updates.
http://www.treeshark.com/images/draw/pan5.jpg

[HoodZ]

i have a question treeshark...how did u redefine the line work...looks like that was alot of work and patience....

[treeshark]

Hi Hoodz, Yeah there's no other way but to work over it bit by bit, there's only about four stages to final line tho. The line work took 2 days and the color another 2. Eventually it is to be painted full size ( ten ft high) on a semi circular wall in a foyer.

[Scubasteve]

I kinda see what Chris is saying. But I still really like it. I liked the first version better.

[Chris Beatrice]

Treeshark, re the middle ground, "this would happen" is not a valid argument for art!! And you know that because then you went on to say you weren't interested in realism, which I commend.

I was not saying that it looked unrealistic, or "not like what might happen", just that there is no visual connection between the city and the mountains, and that is making them look separate to me, and flat. The fact that they are painted differently is exacerbating that effect.

As I look at it, it may be a color issue too. You have a farily saturated purple ambient light on the buildings, but the sky and mountains are much more blue, at least on the right.

[treeshark]

Sorry mate don't get it! You may or may not have noticed that it's night on one side and day on the other, this requires a bit of a tricky adjustment in the middle.
Art? Who says it's art?
thanks Steve I think I'll go half and half dropping the mtns reduces drama... a bad thing. The smoke is better in new version tho.

[Scubasteve]

Yeah, I think the second version of the smoke is more coheisive. (hows that spelled)
But I definatly liked the mountains better before. Hope you didn't erase them! LOL! This piece as a whole is a pretty ambitious. Considering the perspective, and the switch from nightime to daytime, Its alot to try and pull off in one image. Props to ya Treeshark!

[Chris Beatrice]

Well, first let me reset the level of this crit, since I do think the piece is well done, and quite ambitious.

My comment re the ambient light is this: the right side is night, and the dull light on the buildings is a cool, bluish purple, like the night sky on the right side. The ambient light on the white building, just left of center, is a reddish purple. Why? What is the source of that red-purple light?

Anyway, it's nice. Mate.

[treeshark]

Well it's obviously the radiosity input from th' red building opposite... He he! no I see what you mean that one is a bit out of key it's rather too vivid and violet. the image is not really designed to be looked at on a flat page Full size and on a curved wall it should look fine but it's certainly a hard one to judge... thanks all for input..

[Scubasteve]

Hey Chris. Can you circle what your talking about or something. I racking my brain and going over this thing, And Im not sure where your talking about. Are you talking about the Perisan looking building all the way to the right? I cant see what you guys are talking about..

[treeshark]

Steve it's the ambient light on the shadowed sides of the white buildings. Out of the sun the shadowed areas take on a tint based on the blue of the sky. I have the tint on the walls mauve rather than blue. Though I was kidding about the red light bouncing from the other side of the street. that sort of thing really does happen. It's pretty subtle but a true enough crit!

[Scubasteve]

Dang, that is subtle! I wouldn't have noticed myself, but that may be due to my lack of color theroy knowledge.

[Chris Beatrice]

A lot of color stuff seems subtle because in general artists on this site are less concerned with color and light than with deep shadows, drawing, content, etc.

And just to reset the record, I love the piece.

[treeshark]

Yes to hell with color theory, I'm going to devote the rest of my life to drawing women in stainless steel underwear.

[Loga4]

Awesome work,treeshark!