Lioness' studies *(1/9)*

[PeggyChung]

Hey everyone, well since i finally noticed that im doing more studies then concepts, so i thought i would start an entirely new sketch thread for myself. i atfirst had it in the daily sketchbooks, though there was help, it died fast due to the more popular sketchbooks. I believe that if i come here i could get more crits and advice.

well heres a start : sketches of people in my class (try to practice fast sketching + drawing without looking)

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib10.jpg

i will try my best to update as often as i can. Advice on how to practice fast sketching would be appreicated.

[PeggyChung]

4-21-04

Newest sp, #33. its frightingly looking more and more like me, feel the horror ppl!

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp33.jpg

[PeggyChung]

4-22-04

more in class sketches

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib13.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib14.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib15.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib12.jpg

[talmir]

hehe.. I know what you mean about the daily sketchbook threads.. I have one of the bigger ones it seems but almost all the posts there are my own :P Then I look at the more popular and they have 5:1 ratio of posts in artist:crits

But I dont mind too much.. it just means that when and if I get better and/or people start noticing me they might post crits and help me with all the things that are troubling me...

So said.. lets crit :D

You pencil usage might need some work.. getting in the habit of making long lines to define shapes might improve the drawing immensely.. now I see some uncertain looking pencil scratchings...

another thing you might check out is anatomy.. now you're doing pretty good with "seeing" (I hope you understand) but the pics lack structure.. Going a bit into perspective might also help..

But you've improved very much since you started your first thread... Good luck, I'll be back

[PeggyChung]

Hey Talmir, thanks for dropping by, and yea i havent learned anything on perspective. i will get into that this summer. well heres some late class sketches again.

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib19.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib18.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib17.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib20.jpg

[winjer]

Nice drawings for a start. Keep at it and youll improve loads. Just a quick crit for now thats easy to follow would be to stop using such a scratchy line. Youre giving everyone furryness. Have some faith in your line making ability and just bam those lines out in one go.

[Lung_bug]

you should try and make each sketch a step forward...

what's most apparent here is the uncertainty and scratchiness talmir mentioned- make your lines long swift and to the point. even if you scribble a lot, you can still make them look really nice (look at jsweet's thread, or beet's croquis de nus thread). as you seem to be focusing on fast sketching here, you should develop a good method on it- few lines for the action, few important details. leave the fills and such stuff for later (hair). there's no time for shading when you have ten seconds to capture the whole thing. if you really need the shading, find something that allows you to do it very fast- ink washes, markers, or for the most apparent choice, the side of the pencil. speaking of that, you seem to use it on some sketches here, but it's still quite rough. it'd be good to practice just random marks and fills. get a piece of paper and explore what exactly can your pencil do. draw some squares and fill them with uniform color, texture, gradations. gets much easier and faster to apply that to drawings later on.

i'll drop by again to see how you doing and maybe post some more crits. keep drawing!

[PeggyChung]

Hey Winjer, yea i know what you mean, i tried to make it less scratchy today but i must keep practicing to get it more correct in one stroke, thanks for the crits :D

Hi Lung bug thanks, i will work on a method for fast sketching, and hmm i never thought abotu that scribbling idea. i will look into it. thanks

for today i did more sketches from ppl in class and my hands. any suggestions? i sometimes cannot see what is wrong with the person. thanks

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib27.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib26.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib25.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib23.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib24.jpg

[winjer]

wow damn that first pic is a dramatic improvement. It looks so sure and confident. Just keep that up. i wish i could do that lol.

[endregan]

yes good improvement for sure.

Just keep drawing from life ! You are getting there

[PeggyChung]

hey Winjer, thanks though there are too many errors on that one, i believe contour drawing with pen will up for better fast sketches. thanks

Hi Endregen thanks for the encouragement :D

alrighty here comes the mess...my selfportrait, first off i noticed that my face looks not as wide due to the hair that supposed to hang foward, though i should have shadowed it to show that. learn from mistakes. and the eyes, wayyy to dark outline around them, plus they are wrongly shaped. but here it is and i shall make a really good one next time to redeem myself

sp 34

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp34.jpg

[PeggyChung]

okay still practicing my "swifter and clearner" strokes for fast sketching. only got to do one today but i ll be sure to do more when i have free time, i am getting crammed life right now! alright nuff rant. here

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib28.jpg

this was from Lung's suggestion of looking at Beet's thread, his style sorta influenced that sketch.

[PeggyChung]

alrighty sp 35,

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp35.jpg

dont worry ive been drawing, just not posting because its mostly just studies.

[PeggyChung]

Trying to do portraits more often

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp36.jpg

[PeggyChung]

12 am 5/16

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp37.jpg

11pm 5/16
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp38.jpg

over a few hours i changed :O...eh more like i over did it, first one my face is too skinny and the 2nd one i look too puffy.

[winjer]

i challenge you to do a portrait without drawing in any of the features and post it up here. see what else makes a face besides said features.

[PeggyChung]

Hey guys, ughh sorry i have no posted in the longest time, Finals are now and i just finished a huge project. these are sketches from yesterday and today. i have been drawing but just doodling pretty much in class is all the time ive had. i totally forgot about doing sketches without a bunch of scribbly lines. i will be sure to remember.

Winer : i ll take you up on that, i will do it for my next portrait.


http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib_30.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib_33.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib31.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib32.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib34.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib35.jpg

more life sketching!! i will return!

[Angela]

Hey peg! nice to see that you're updating too! i can see YOUR improvement as well! and darn =) i wish i could improve that much every once in a while :/.. too bad you got too much hw! ;) till summer remmeber! We get to hang and stuff.. w00000t!:chug:

[PeggyChung]

OKay i have not posted in almost two weeks, ugh! teachers are cramming us with work right now -.- i still have one more week and i ll be free to draw my heart out :D because its friday, i gave myself a break from all the homework and did this:

6/11/04

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/scrib38.jpg


sigh* back to homework.

[endregan]

I know what you mean by busy. I have finals too and im preparing to go off to college in the fall. Its a hectic time in my life but I will have more time to draw in the summer even though I am working a lot.

Keep the drawing up and studies for sure.

[PeggyChung]

alrighty drew my jacket before i went to sleep and waking up seeing this drawing again made me realize i should have shaded way darker.

6/11/04

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib39.jpg

hey Endregen, thanks for the reply. yea Im gonna be working and taking summer classes too in the summer but im really excited because its not as pressuring as now.

[winjer]

what the hell is this note about "dont think" supposed to be. you best think and think hard before you put down any lines. Learn anatomy and what you think you see will become what really is there. Say no to blind copying.

[Calle_]

Nice, been trying on faces, and som SP's myself lately, its damn hard sp just keep pushing, ok, serious, not posting in 2 weeks ARGH!!! also i think you sould try to make simple shading more, like basicly drawing lines where youn want shadows and then just push in some value into those spaces, And if you want you could just continue to smack more value in until you have smooth nice shading. If you look at my sketchbook (yeah i know im not a great dude and still a newbie, but i think that technique works fine anyway :D ) i also try to do those side of the pencil shadings to make i smoth from the start but it always ends up just being to round, no real form gets shown. But whatever suits you =). Try to draw as much as you can from life and study hard, but most of all have fun and just draw. Peace.


Calle.

[jetpack42]

Drawing from life is essential, but be sure you are doing some emulations of other artists and copying anatomy too. If you do drawings of other artists drawings (artists you admire, like, or otherwise want to learn how to put some of thier work into yours) and then draw from life to apply what you've learned, that is the way to go. I don't know if anybody said this, I didnt read comments, just browsed the drawings. If you're already doing that, keep at it!

[PeggyChung]

@Winjer, hey whats up, what i meant was dont think about how it should look instead of how it does look :P kind of like when i start looking at my paper more than at what i am trying to draw ( master copies/ life )

@Calle_, yea i ll take a stab at the basic shading

@Jetpack42, yep i just restarted drawing anatomy again since school is over. Yea i know what ya mean about doing drawings from other artists, good way to develope your own style.

Thanks guys, I WILL BE POSTING EVERY DAY DAMN IT!
and currently im learning the torso, though having trouble finding a good ref for ribs

6/19

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib42.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib43.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib41.jpg

dang my scans are so light.

[PeggyChung]

alrighty ive been drawing all day and here are a few of them

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib44.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib45.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib46.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib47.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib49.jpg

[Calle_]

Great, update everyday is the way to go :D you seem to be doing great, Keep working on the anatomy studies and porpotrion. Once you get a good hang on it it wil go easy. If you would like some help i recommend Andrew Loomis: Figure drawing for all its worth. You get a great explenation to everything step by step. keep drawing and have fun.
Peace.

Calle

[PeggyChung]

okay this is something ive never done, ref of nude females, blah here it is

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib50.jpg

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib51.jpg

hmm i think i will work on my shading now inbetween learning the back

@Calle_ thanks, yea ive checked out loomis already :D

[troymcoy]

Winjer, intuitive drawing is the only real way of life drawing, otherwise you're drawing what you think and not what you see.
So the 'don't think' is a good idea, check out metalwinds and justin sweet...

[winjer]

I dunno troymcoy. That seems to be a pretty advanced way of going about it. Do you think they just started off like that? I think i even saw jsweet say somewhere to learn all that you can and then let it go. I dont think it works if you just let it go from the start.

[troymcoy]

I agree, I think you have to have a good foundation in anatomy etc before you can really master the technique, but it wouldn't hurt to practice it to get a better grasp of 'real' form.

[SylkX]

I think better put is "think about what you see" rather than don't think or draw what you see

[PeggyChung]

Hey guys, ah I do not know what to say to your arguments...but im keepng with my everyday updates ! ha, well here it is, a self portrait, didnt get to do much drawing today due to was i out. This is for 20th even though i finished at 12:05 am. here we go

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp45.jpg

this one was really odd, i believe the reason why is because it was sort of two perspectives of my face. if you cover one side and look at the other, theres a difference. my problem is that i always do the right side of my face first (the viewers right), which is the one that gets more attention. for my next one i have to do the viewers left first.

@winjer
i challenge you to do a portrait without drawing in any of the features and post it up here. see what else makes a face besides said features.

do you mean no nose etc? and just shadows or contours? thanks.

[PeggyChung]

wow i just looked back at that last portrait, i look more like a freak in there than i normally do lol. haha well hers today

6/21

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp46.jpg

okay the problem with this one is my nose and eyes are too close to each other. also the shading could always be darker.

more crits?

[OptimusDinkus]

A person who really helped me greatly with faces is from the hammond series of books. She does work from photos and uses blur like methods, but its easy to understand and a good starting point for some people. Also check out the loomis books, they have great ways of constructing the face. (one method that helps is to make an egg like sphere, place where the top of the nose will be which follow to the eye placement as well as ears and one to the bottom of the nose to find the bottom of the ear as well as the cheek bones).

[OptimusDinkus]

Also a few people can draw without construction lines, this also doesnt nesseserally mean skelital structure lines (could be loosly based contours, dynamic pose lines, rythmatic, what ever works).

[PeggyChung]

@optimusdinkus thanks for dropping by, i havent checked out a book on drawing the face ina while, i ll look into it.
6/22

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp47.jpg

ahh im hating my stuff now a days, other i have to point out is that the cheeks are too slanted and too slanted. but there is always tomorrow to work on another!

[Angela]

ey peg, thanks for droppin by my thread.. like i said before, this is my fav sp from you.. just the face/nose is a bit slanted and it seems a bit long.. but everything else seems alright.... ill draw more girls / sps when you draw more girls XD haha.. see ya around.. also nice pushin yourself with the shading.. ;) keep it goin

[winjer]

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23042

like the ones in there.

[Lung_bug]

all the selfportraits have identical errors. do you use the standard construction methods? from sphere/box? if not, learn it. it's there to make it easier.

also, drop the shading completely. learn how to construct and then learn how to look, because that's all there is to it. use vertical and horizontal and diagonal lines to see how shapes relate (draw a horizontal line from the eye and see what intersects with it... use tricks). use few lines to get the placement first! when you have that done, then you can start putting details... check out that thread winjer linked- that's a damn good way there.

one step at a time. line. value. color. value requires knowledge of line, and color requires knowledge of both line and value. it all builds up. start from line.

it's all there in those loomis books.

[PeggyChung]

@Winjer, alrighty that clears it up, i will try one when i start getting the basic lines of my head.

@Lung_bug, Sadly yes i do use construction methods, though i did relook at a book i had today. it had different measurements for the face, and it made sense and i did it on the 50th portrait.

Thanks for the info guys (:

okay this was for yesterday, my photobucket wasnt working then so couldnt update but here it is

6/23

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib53.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp48.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp49.jpg

These two were "experiements" so to say, one being with brush pen and other being with a ten minute limit. Though they both still hold proportion problems. i notice my portraits really waver.

6/24

Trying just line here
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp50.jpg


This one is gestures from looking in the mirror
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib54.jpg

[Calle_]

you sure do alot of SP's might be fun but i think you should do more like those gestures, they are great. do lots and lots of them :D ref drawings is great too. Have fun
Peace

Calle

[Angela]

HAHA DUDE.. WTF!!! DONT EVER USE THAT ICON ON ME AGAIN LOL your self portraits are gettin better... and ya... keep it coming! try lung bug's method.. try to use only a few lines ... i know you can do it.. your the pegsterrrr :funny: :eat: :doh: :nana: :baby: HAHA :cuddle: :cuddle: :cuddle: :cuddle: !!! ttyl !! KEEP IT COMING! and more gestures plz

[PeggyChung]

@Calle_ Hey, yeah I do portraits cause its my life drawing for the day, but i really should draw more "stuff" also and i believe i will before i go to sleep tonight. Thanks. :alien3:

@Angela :shocked:

6/28

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp51.jpg

ROAR i will fix the proportion problem, damn how stupid am i to keep doing the same mistake!

Edit: HAHA btw this is my very first portrait a few months ago
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/SP1.jpg

[PeggyChung]

Its about 3:30ish am and i didnt want to sleep so i did this

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib56.jpg

[Angela]

Ew.. It's peggy... haha jk! time to test moreeeeeee smilies on you while i crit your pix.. =) I gave you a huge lecture about your Sp.. but i have to admit that improved sooo much.. makes me wanna cry.. :') :patriot: Your studies also kick my ass!!! you update alot and you try to draw as much as possible..! that's really awesome! :punch: I like your new drawing... the shading is getting much better!I especially like the rib cage area!I think the values are alright.. even though you couldnt go darker...And the pose seems alright! great job! keep it up! enough bitching for once right? ;) hehe ttyl

[PeggyChung]

6/28 alrighty i was in class and the teacher arrived 20 mins late so here are some class sketches and some of the pets

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib60.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib59.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib58.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib57.jpg

oh yes the brush pen is so much better for faster sketches. i will update more tonight

[The Iconoclast]

I think you just need to spend more time on your drawings. You seem to have a lot of the same qualities in your sketches that I had. It was all just rushed. Lung_Bug churns out some awesome advice (and I'm secretly jealous that he doesn't crit my thread, but don't tell him that), so listen to him. He once said something like,

"Spend twenty minutes on a sketch to get the basic idea. If you don't get the basic shapes down, ditch the sketch and start over."

I think you should practice shading stuff a lot more, and avoid the quick, fast-shading route. I'm doing that with my SPs, too, sometimes, and it's not beneficial. Your class sketches are pretty neat, and I can't wait until I'm old enough and my parents let me hang around at coffee shops all day, sketching away. Practice more of those when you get the opportunity, because they are too much fun.

The first and foremost thing is to get used to spending 2 hours or more doing nothing but sketching. It's so boring at first, but becomes addictive very fast. Setting a daily goal helped me immensely. Then, browse through the forums occassionally and find out how to learn, which is what I'm working on. After that, it's draw-draw-draw. :ep:

I went off on a tangent there, as I'm known to do, but you can get the idea. Also, try the exercise winjer mentioned. I found it absolutely unpleasant, but it helped me get used to shading large spaces and define forms using tone.

[PeggyChung]

Hey Iconclast, thanks for dropping by. Yea rushy so i am doing a few still lifes to work on patience and value. But im still going to do my self portraits in just lines first then when i feel confident i will try winjer's suggestion.

6/29

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib61.jpg

This one i didnt darken too much, but more than i have before. The brown peel sort of threw me off but im doing a stil life of a green bell pepper right now so it should be much darker.

[Angela]

Hey peggy! nice onion! i see that you improved alot... it makes me jealous!!! :flower: keep it coming just watch out for the things i told you yesterday and it should be alright! keep on pushin yourself

[Aerythes]

One way to easily identify unwanted slantness in a drawing is to flip the paper over and hold it up to the light, so that you can look at it from the back.

[PeggyChung]

heres another still life im doing that im spending more time on, still at the early middle stage.

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib63.jpg

and heres the usual sp but at 3/4 view again

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp54.jpg

same mistake as yesterday, lips too much to the left. seems like i dont learn the first time -.-

@Angela- ack looks like i didnt, damn and i thought i had it down!

@Aerythes- Thanks

[PeggyChung]

Turned out that the pepper started to shrival so i had to put it back in the fridge -.- so i will starta new drawing, something that doesnt rot :clapping2

so this is yet again my green jacket hanging in a different way, just before i went to sleep 5am in the morning! :party:

7/1

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib64.jpg

[Warhead82]

wow by the looks of it you seem to be improving good job.

[The Iconoclast]

Your self portraits are okay, but you should mix it up a bit. While scrolling down, I see that many of the SPs looks the same. You will learn a lot more if you practice shading or use a different medium or just do something different. Don't get caught up in a routine and do the same things over and over.

Anyways, the jacket looks sweet and I'm sure that sketches from life are going to help you tremondously. Be careful with your cross hatching, though. There's a decent tutorial on cross hatching, but that can only take you so far (http://www.methart.com/tutorials/hatching.html). ;)

[PeggyChung]

@Warhead82 thanks :ahha:
@Iconclast yea i know waht ya mean, but i dont want to be confused with other mediums while trying to do the portraits. for now i am trying to get a strong foundation of how my head looks like :ep: thats the reason why i stopped shading for now also. but for sure i will be learning different ways of shading on the side and apply it to my portraits later on. Thanks for the link (:

i ll try different views for portraits


6/3/04

This one is exactly same turn as the sp 54 and i didnt notice it till now. I notice that my confidence has gone down a little today and its showing in the portrait. The lines are sketchy and i retraced a lot.

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/SP55.jpg

[PeggyChung]

ah i was so discoraged doing my self portrait again, threw away 2 pages :bash: so then i looked up van gogh because hes always been an inspiration to me. His passion for art is just amazing (: so looking through his stuff pushed me to do my portrait for today, i see it getting closer and when i reflect to the mirror to see whats wrong, its looking less lopsided. i feel much better after finishing this portrait (:

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp56.jpg

This made me realize i have to study the more compicated parts of the body: hands feet and faces!!

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib65.jpg

[PeggyChung]

Hey guys, sorry i havnet updated in the last 3 days due to my new job which takes a lot out of ya. but dont worry i have been drawing a lot more and set new goals for myself. i swear drawing gets more and more fun (:

7/5

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib71.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Life%20Sketches/scrib70.jpg

7/6

gestural sketches because of my friend Angela, thanks! :bow:

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib67.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib69.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib68.jpg

and as always my portrait for today
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp59.jpg

the eyes are really bothering me so i am going to study the eye tomorrow

[PeggyChung]

7/7

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp60.jpg

[arghmisfit]

keep up the good work peg, i can defiantly see lots of improvement! :fruit:

[endregan]

Good stuff on your sp's. They have come a long way.

Now you must push further from the line and start feeling the form. You dont put any tone in your face and only draw in the features. Rendering like that is important, but equally as important as the form of your face, as it is not perfectly flat! Start using hatching lines, and have a good light source so half of your face is in light and so forth. This will push it even further and you will have good form and better linework!

Keep going!

[PeggyChung]

@Misfit, thanks, damn it lemme see more of your stuff! (:

@Endregan thanks for droppin in, yea i am going to try fredflickstones assignment! you should take a stab at it too, its kinda hard but good practice

okie dokes here is my best gesture for today

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib73.jpg

and here are some cloud studies, ah i love clouds, yes the values should be flippin darker!!

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/sp73.jpg

and a portrait before sleep, no left side due to unworthyness of being posted. I know i should have spent more time on the brow and hair.

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp_61.jpg

[D.O.Jones]

Just a quick reply.

That last portrait looks much better. Even if it is only half ;)
Don't be afraid to draw the contours inside the face. The brow, forehead, cheakbones etc. Try give the face more solid forms, or something.



I like your gestures muchly.

[arghmisfit]

broken links everywhere! ahhh, cant see ur latest stuff

fix it! :yawns:

[PeggyChung]

@Rash. alrighty gotcha, i believe i am going to try simple shading tmorrow, today i didnt so much do all the contours of my face.

@Argh. hey, photobucket was just down again -.- i need to find a new place to add the rest of my images, i think it is getting too full

7/12

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp62.jpg

[MisterJC]

your gesture drawings are just plain :btu:

going along with what rash said, your protrait drawings don't seem finished. I would bet that you haven't done many head studies, skull anatomy, construction and the like. you obviously have the skill to creat some great portraits, but i just think that the technical knowledge.

im learning that drawing what you see is only the begning, the next step is drawing what you don't see...

hope that helps you out without confusing you to tears...

[PeggyChung]

Hey MisterJC ah you are so right, damn i havnet done a study of heads ina long time -.- duh what was i thinking. i ll get right on it, thanks

well heres a portrait today before i read MisterJC's post. it is slanted when i mirrored it, the usual >.< arg!

7/13

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp63.jpg

p.s. sorry if some of my images have red X's photobucket is being weird right now

[MisterJC]

by mirroring do you mean actually putting a mirror down the center and drawing with that?

anyways... glad that i could help a little.

[PeggyChung]

@Mjc i dont mirror down the middle, though you could, i just put the drawing facing the mirror.

new one today, i learned more of the planes of the head and it helped a lot but made my portrait look less like me, seems like i need to adapt to it now. it will be better tomorrow.

7/15

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp64.jpg

[MisterJC]

hey, beleive it or not, that last one is an improovment. :nod:

hmmm... just a thought, but if you could post an actual picture of youself, it might make it easier for people to advise you on your mistakes... just a thought.

[Dished]

Heyhey!! Good stuff!!!

Im inspired and now i want to go back to school so i can draw my classmates Hehehe. Jk, but i really am inspired by these studies. Im gonna wait til september. This thread partially is what got me to try and start drawing just people in real life. Just studies like these :) These are great!Keep it up!

[jetpack42]

wow, some really big improvement in those last 2 SPs. It looks like you did it for the most part, but keep in mind using your lines with the form to define the shapes. you've made some good observations (like shading the whites of the eyes). The ears need the forms defined more, though, they look like mush. stronger lines and contrast will do that.


Shade them all.

[endregan]

That 2nd last one with the shadow is great, starting to get and understand form. Definitely do more of these, they will help you out!

[PeggyChung]

hey guys, thanks for the crits and compliments

@MJC yea i ll try to put a pic up of myself when i find out how to get the digicam to link to the computer

@Dished ah what kind words, no need to really wait till sept. there are people all over the streets and in your home, go stalk and draw!

@Jetpack42 ughhss yea i havent been shading because it takes a lot of time and im having problems still defining the forms of my face to begin with. argh! there wont be a shaded one till thursday probably because thats when my class ends.

@endregan now that i look back at it, i look so stiff and rigid in there :nopity: and of course i will do more when i have more time (:

alrighty i think the portrait explains itself

7/17

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp65.jpg


BTW i havent posted any works besides my portraits lately because im just working with shading style and line weight (nothing interesting) and the planes of the head.

edit: did a skull

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib74.jpg

original here (http://www.em-arts.com/skull/pages/DSCN3396.htm)

[PeggyChung]

7/19

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp66.jpg

[MisterJC]

nice skull study. =D

your last two portraits are a real improovement. =D

"ughhss yea i havent been shading because it takes a lot of time and im having problems still defining the forms of my face to begin with."

i've found out that shading is an integral part of defineing form. without it, you cant express the sunken eye sockets, the cheeks, lips, forehead, nosebridge.... ect. because these things arent lines. maybe you have problems defining form because your not shading??

hmmm.... for your digital camera thing.... you are probably going to have to find a usb cable that fits your camera, or if you have a removable storage, get a multi format memory card reader...

happy drawing.

[PeggyChung]

@MisterJC thanks yea i will be getting to shading sometime soon since i have more time


overall i have to take a break from this thread (which i havent been updating everyday) i really have to catch up with my drawing and studies. (which arent interesting to post) so this will be on pause with a big update later

[PeggyChung]

no big update yet but i must keep gathering the work together. heres my latest

7/26

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp69.jpg

[Angela]

OH-MY-FREAKIN-G! that is roxz0rz my boxz0rz! you are totally improving!!! :love: :bashful: keep it up!!! hehe i cant wait to see moreee improvement :confident:

[PeggyChung]

@Angela aye you never stop haha

alright heres my "big" update

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib75.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/scrib76.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/sp70.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/final.jpg

alright so it isnt huge but its more than my usual. dont worry i have been drawing everyday, just this is the better of the bunch.

[MisterJC]

mm mmm mmm.... those look like some tasty tomatoes... =D

thats some good stuff your drawing there.. xD

[ChaosEidolon]

Man....i should take some tips from your dilligence.

I hope just cause you havent posted in a while it doesnt mean you havent been drawing, cause it looks like youre making some definate progress. Keep on keepin' on! :^^:

[-The Swift-]

Good work peggy, these are great, good to see you drawing from life. the self portraits have improved sooooooooooo much, really good work going on here.
Just keep it up!

I'll be watching!

-bex :)

[faB]

You're really improving, keep at it.
What struck me is how you put so many comments on your drawings, some of those cracked me up, it's great! You could bind all your drawings together in a year's time and have a rather original journal about you and your progression as an artist.

[PeggyChung]

haha and all of a sudden i get comments, i guess its a sign for me to start posting again. well since the last time i posted i havent drawn everyday like im supposed to. School has been crazy, i cant believe how much work it is compared to last year, im getting killed by spanish II, sigh!

@Chaos ha my dilligence...it has gone down since that last post but im trying to pick it up again, i just stopped work for a while to catch up on things :D thanks for dropping in

@ The Swift hey! ah i havent seen you ina while. goodnessss since that last portrait ive been trying to do self portraits again after stopping for who knows how long...its so tough, its like i have gone backward because the portraits arent as great as the last one, well must climb that hill again! thanks

@fab hi there, oh ya, the comments heh glad you liked it- yea in a way it is a journal for me, everyone should do that, its so much more fun that way. i dont do scientific observations like leonardo da vinci but hey close enough! thanks, hope to see some of your work around!

btw thanks guys for the comments, it encouraged me to finish my homework early today so i could draw! i cant say i will update since my current ability is lower than when i last left off, well, we will see. later guys!

[PeggyChung]

alrighty so i finally had time to take pix of the figure drawings ive been doing- here are the better of the bunch, only five but i have six more that i am going to post- need to send it from my sisters comp. i notice that i have proportion of the leg as a huge problem..well actually a proportion overall problem, i need to refresh myself on that because i notice i was standing there and i forgot what the measurement was. Crits please (:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/pegsfigs005.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/pegsfigs004.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/pegsfigs003.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/pegsfigs002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/pegsfigs001.jpg

[PeggyChung]

and here are the rest of them as i promised

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/pegsfigs006.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/pegsfigs007.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/pegsfigs008.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/pegsfigs009.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/pegsfigs010.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/pegsfigs011.jpg

[jetpack42]

wow! good improvements! your SPs are really starting to come together, and your figures are looking way more proportional. Good work! stick with it!

[Daunting]

Wow I scanned through your life drawing sketchbook and I am impressed by your imporvement by just over a month or so. Very inspiring, I'ma draw 10 times more than I am already.

But one crit I have on your work is, You probably need to work on values a little more. I know probably in the light you usually work with there aren't many deep shadows due to the ambient light everywhere but I think it's a good idea to just try and get a darker setting and really try to get the shadows out.

[-The Swift-]

Life drawings are good, coming along nicely. I like the really quick ones! Good peggy, very good...................

-bex :)

[Angela]

teh pegster is back.

=D nice liffe drawings~!!!!!

totally a big improvement. laters =) ;) =D

[Darrell Bowman]

that all i can say is keep drawing
dont stop

[PeggyChung]

@jetpack42 hey thanks, i finally got back on track to doing them sps
@Daunting Thanks. Yea pushing my values, ive gone to easy on myself for that and darn i totally did not have much value in this self port. But trust me i ll work on it!
@The Swift thanks, dang how about you? where have you been? too busy for us now ehh??
@Angela haha thanks, you need to post more woman!
@Darrell Bowman ay ay el capitan!

Happy Turkey day guys, finally drew a decent self portrait to put up, i did so many crappy ones since that last one i posted till now that i didnt even number them, so there are no numbers for these sps anymore. I fudged up the shading and i didnt spend time on it, I was too eager to get it scanned and over with because my eyes were tired -.- i wont do that again!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/spNov2504.jpg

And heres a study for a helmet from reference on photoshop, first real try at digital painting, I will for sure work on being great at painting!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/digihelm.jpg

i should have more posts by next week

[Angela]

hey peggy!!!

Happy thanks giving to you too! Great job, for someone that has not been drawing as much as required ;) your self portraits are on the right track again, and your cgs are coming along great! but remember what i told you! use a hard brush, and try to fix the chin a lil on the sp! Besides that you are getting alot better! =) I cant wait till tomorrow! keep it up peg!!! :yayca: pride baby~

-Angela

[USER777]

i see great improvement over here..
one advice: try different kinds of shading, especially your hair is still not so well rendered.. try creating tonal value for shading.. for example by crosshatching.
hope this helps :x

[onurbasaldi]

hey, your stuff is really coming along. You have nice self portraits and life drawing. Keep on going.

[PeggyChung]

@Angela
@Lim thanks i know, i need to get out of my usual habits
@onurbasaldi thx, I sure will


11/27/04 sallet from reference

need to get into color soon. Got tired and didnt want to do the back end of the helmet
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/digihelm2.jpg

[-The Swift-]

Hey peggy, good to see you're updating,
I like the latest self portrait. very good, your lines seem a little scratchy though, try to be more fluent and confident with your lines.

Good though, nice variation with the digital.

-Bex :)

[PeggyChung]

@-Swift- Thanks, yea i noticed that i started to be more scratchy and retracing everything, a sign of low self confidence in my lines. i ll work on it. where have you been? havent seen you post new stuff in a while

alrighty so, i had to do a full self portrait of myself for art class, i had a lot of fun but a lot was inaccurate, especially the me that has the hand up..doesnt look like me at all. Thats what i get for doing stuff last minute, hopefully i will get myself to do another one of these again sometime. I taped 6 newsprint papers togethere and the entire picture as a whole is about 3.5ftx 5.25 ft and i used a variety of charcoals.

sorry for the bad pix, best i could get with the crazy lighting in my room
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Fullselfportrait.jpg

close ups
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/closeup1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/closeup2.jpg

[Darrell Bowman]

hi

try drawing ur figures from the ground up starting with the feet
like building a buiding rather from the eyes outwards.
this will help locate the parts that stick out as u draw lines upwards
from the ground as a ref point.
try not drawing the eyes first draw the hair or better still draw
circle for the head draw all the construction lines.
better to understand then it to have always the perfect picture.
get magazines comic books draw from them all day long.
even images off the net.
read and get anatomy books from the library.
draw draw draw.
light and shade shadow.
values what ur darkest dark what the midtones
were the lightest value hitting the figure.
study it and then draw it.
dont just draw stop and understand first draw it in ur head first.

keep going ur doing great.

[PeggyChung]

@Darrell Bowman Thanks, a lot of stuff but I will keep it in mind :perv:

so heres a portrait I did, looks a lot more like me, though i dont like how i shaded it, i did not push the shading that "core" shadow on the right side of the portraits face drives me crazy, well i got tired of shading it so this is it, not the greatest but its getting easier and faster for me to do a self portrait.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/spdec1204.jpg

[onurbasaldi]

I like the portrait alot. Its getting better and better every portrait you do. By the way, I would say darken those dark spots. It'll give more life to it.

[MisterJC]

that last portait has a lot of good stuff going for it. the shading around the lips/nose is really nice.

one suggestion, the hair looks too stringy, try using longer strokes that follow the path of the hair.

[-The Swift-]

hey peggy, great latest self portrait, really good, i think probably tour best yet!
I've been drawing like crazy don't you worry, just haven't got round toscanning anything! i'll post it as soon as.

You just keep at it! you're doing great!

See you round,

-Bex:)

[PeggyChung]

@onurbasaldi, thanks, yea i need to keep in mind to make my drawings darker
@MisterJC, thx, oh yes the hair, i get a lot of comments on it but i never come around to studying hair, another on the list to do
@-The Swift-, thanks for swinging by again, alrighty, i better see a load of drawings when you post!

----

okay so i havnet updated in about two weeks, it is my winter break so i have been doing some leg studies and such, no real need to post it up.

12/29/04

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/dood1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/dood5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/dood2.jpg

and some new digitals, going to be seeing a lot of these soon
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/D1-12-28-04.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/D2-12-28-04.jpg

[PeggyChung]

alright, contiuing my studies, here we go

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/D1-12-30-04.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/D3-12-30-04.jpg

[PeggyChung]

ok so i have not updated in a long time but ive been working, doing a painting a day (:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/D1-1-1-05.jpg

Photo ref courtesy of Bfly
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/D2-1-2-05.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/D1-1-5-05.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/D1-1-08-05.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Studies/D1-1-8-05.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/ladylioness/Self%20portraits/spJan605.jpg

[fakeraaven]

Hey Lady

Nice stuff you've got in here. Very obvious that the digital & marker studies for your drawing style, they look awesome!
Oh, and the nose of your latest Selfportrait (pencil) is sweetness^2.

Thanks for sharing and go ahead!

[-The Swift-]

Hey peggy,
Nice update, i like the top painting, looks quite finished. good self portraits. Recently i did one that took me about 2-3 days to finish! i think you should try to a fully rendered selfportrait, really trying to get a likeness.
I worked bigger than i normally do too, which was great, not as restricting.

Good luck,

Becky:)