United Kingdom

[koshime]

Thats right, Design is key for any artist of any pedigree be it teh yougn aspiring artist to the seasoned pro.

To start off, here is a realisitc future brief (Sir Richard Branson is already started the ball for such a venture, we'll jsut take this 10 years further into the future)


Here are some fictional ideas for a fictional brief

SilverBullet Enteprises is a large media company involved in the launch of the first commercial Terran-Mars intersolar space travel.

They have hired you and similar artist to brainstorm and conceptualise a possible trendy but lavish space vessel for this commercial venture.

The brief woudl be to promote towards the 5% of the rich to foot the super black class and the meta national corporatiosn who have an interest in future mars ventures/mining/habitation

1/ Branding
2/ Style and Future venture (lavish interiors/housing for 3 month journey/full gym and VR recreation/finest restraunt and dining in space/ and a range of exciting new hobbies to pursue
3/ Conceptualise a SAFE but stylish space vessel to be built from materials mined on the moon, and variosu rare metals from earth
4/ Design a SAFE and robust housing for the new Nuclear Fision engine run on Deuterium (D3) from space fatigue/solar dust and exposure and space junk
5/ Design a Lobby space station, and a SPACE Shipyard in georobit 200 miles from Earth orbit (Terrans newest star)

All this to pitch towards variosu Meta national and cash laden conglomerates to invest in this space venture

[Schlo-mo]

Hi
I think people are laying down some very nice ideas, some of which we can use later on. But really I reckon alot of us are deviating from the task at hand, and alot of us are regurgitating their own or others words.

I think that This: because first, as a group, we have to define a look for the era and a little bit of history to run with. Any other suggestions to make up the list?? is really what we should be doing. Extra stress on the word Group

[niq3d]

yeah, koshime and sketchling I like both ideas. (and the example fictional idea of a fictional concept of a fictional nature).

I feel that there is a lot of content on these forums that help people to develop good art skills, but less is aimed at stretching the creative thinking needed for design work.

I think that a number of small project briefs like these would be great for getting people thinking in new ways, that is (again imho) at the heart of design, rendering skills are no doubt essential, but they go hand in hand with innovative thinking when it comes to design.

projects with more body than the DSG style 'one sentence brief,' but not as intensive and as demanding on my time as a full project.

I do want to make it clear though that I wasn't saying in the previous post 'don't do the city!' I think its a great idea, and I don't want to be responsible in any way for dousing the enthusiasm that is so apparent for doing it.

perhaps two briefs running side by side, every couple of weeks or so. one written for the city, and one unrelated, so that people could pick and choose which suits them best each month. and would feel happier to jump in and out of the larger project (city)

I'm sure some people would find time for both briefs.

I only suggested this as an alternative for those of us who'd like to be involved in teamwork oriented projects, but aren't so sure about making a commitment to a single longer term project.

[Steven Worley]

Hello everyone!

I see your threads are all in the middle of developing a story, and I apologize for posting right in the middle of it! However, I think this is the best place for me to communicate with other creative UK people.

I'm so glad to have found a UK artist group! I'm a college art student from Fresno, CA and am about to go to the UK for 6 months on an employment exchange program through BUNAC. My plans as to where in the UK I will work are not defined yet, (I have the option of working in Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, or England), and also the type of job I will get is still unknown. I do know I will be arriving in London Nov 29th of this year and will be staying there in a hostel for at least a week.

I wanted to ask the UKers for advice on what location/city and what kind of job would be a good work abroad experience? My goals for this programme are to participate in British life, have new experiences, make new friends, and do a lot of traveling. I am also an artist, (interested in doing concept art) and enjoy keeping a sketchbook and doing creative writing.

My options are pretty varied for where I can live, and what kind of job I will get, so input from you guys is greatly appreciated!

Thank you for taking the time to read this!

I look forward to meeting you all when I come,

Steven Worley

[koshime]

Let me see how to surmise

Scotland - Edinburgh is like london except its cleaner, the people speak in an accent, road system is strange and its up north, but there is beautiful landscape and architecture

Ireland - Kinda like scotland, the people are freindly, speak a strong accent and there is beautiful scenery obe had but you best do some research prior

Wales - smaller than scotland or ireland, N wales and down the coas boast loads of castles and scenery, can be travelled by bus (slow public transport), train, own car (best) windy roads but nice adventure and sketching to be had! Loads of tourists as well bu during this time of year its almost guranteed to e 120% rainign or wet . areas of ruric interest - Betwy-y-coed, Cllandonow (spelt wrongly), Caernafon, Snowdonia, Bristol

England - From York, to Lake district to the old blighty london and its nightlife/crowd and museums. Quire a few of ys are cetralised here now, so meeting up regularly is easier. But lacks rural adventure of teh countryside and the rustic beauty of turner

[koshime]

Well, my idea was to give similAr typed briefs/projects of media companies, game comapnies, MA projects like RCA, Central st martins

For industrial designed type briefs (car makers, hoover makers, cool interior design, transport rail/planes, phones) they tend to have a 1-2 week brain stroming session, followed by rapid sketches, wi a once a week meeting to consider which ideas are good/or not so useful to pursue, followed by further rendering. by week 3 a few final pieces are choosen to have a full render, imaging, branding and a demo reel put up for pitching to teh customer

For MA (masters) styled briefs, a vague heading is normally given and ou have to come up wiht an innovative idea. Eg. Promoting safety through spatial awareness (eg. designing telephone booths.chairs, objects that make people mroe aware of their surroundings and hence promote a safer enviroment 9ala neighbour hood watch)

For Game styled briefs, it is pretty much along the lines of

eg. I want your team to design the architecture for a race of Lizard styled men, for a MMORPG, along with a bustling vilage, that is a cross of middle eastern influences, set in a lush forest, using non iron tools and weeapons.
Various members o the group then split up to develop character costumes, character designs, creature designs, landscape designs, housing, own layout design,etc.. They meet every 2-3 days with a final friday meeting to collect all their ideas. after 3 weeks, they have a company pitch, and variosu ideas are approved or rejected.

This is logged agaisnt a time frame. i.e artwork tasks are broken down into time assets - called art assets or units. So to make 3 charaacters and costumes, that would be 3 assets.

One assest tends to be 3-4 days to a few weeks 9they dont ahve the luxury of a few weeks) but sometimes, the right vision just doesnt appear!

[Dirty C]

Hi all,

It looks like we've got a couple of different ideas here, and they're probably not going to work together.

Koshime, my experience tells me that what you're considering is a lot of work, and it's very similar (though grander in scope) to what we originally conceived of in this thread, and it's always come under the heading 'too much too fast'.

I'd kinda like to hear the thoughts of others in the list about this. In fact, if we can sort out a slot on MSN sometime this weekend, it'd be cool if we could just see what everyone thinks.

I'm cmacnevin@hotmail.com. If anyone just wants to ping me with their thoughts, or PM me, please do.

[koshime]

I was thinking very small but realisticallly.

The scenarios listed out, are actual/similar briefs of the real world.
For our group we coudl try to distill such briefs into simpler more achievable terms. But without a reference to waht it is actually like, one canot aspire to promote good design over this design looks cool, i like it attitude.....

[Dirty C]

This is true. Though one of the ideas behind an evolving city is that each session places constraints on the one which follows. You can't just create a new civilisation every time.

I guess the difference is that your idea follows a 'one idea, everyone designs their own thing' idea. The city idea is one where everyone's involved on the one project, and everyone's ideas are incorporated. We can limit the majority of the work to whatever we get accomplished at a particular meeting, and push it out the door a little beyond that. Also, if the idea does flourish, it gets outside groups interested, and if it went really well, we could start a site for it. I can't see that happening with iterative design ideas, which could be handled equally well in the DSG or academy or some similar body.

I don't mean to cast such a negative light on your idea, because it's valid and would be really great. I guess the thing I like about my idea (I would, it was mind :D) is that it's different to what's going on in the rest of this board. I'd like us to create our own culture and some interest around that.

[Molly]

I am getting more and more confused the way this idea is going...

What I hoped most to get out of this project, was to gain some experience in the actual process of Concept Designing by building from thumbnails, choosing a suitable functioning design, and then painting a finished end piece.

If someone wants to make it in 3D and add textures etc, then so be it.
They too would have contributed to the project in their own way, and gained another piece for their portfolio...If they animate it, then all the better.
Obviously, a story with a civilisation and an actual world will help with creating the Concept designs for people, clothing, furniture, objects, vehicles, buildings environments etc...


@ Koshime - I like the ideas you have posted, obviously, they'd have to be broken down, simplified, as you have said. Maybe they can be incorporated some how to the 'City' idea?

@ DC - the 'Evolving' city thing is a cool idea, but we must take in to consideration, the time to be spent on that too, peoples commitments and keeping momentum going. IMO - I think we should start simple. It seems too ambitious to have an evolving city every 3 months...sorry dude :bashful:

We should be concentrating more on our 'IDEA' generating.
The world we would be creating for should be on a level that expands our thought process to include 'Functionality/Practicality' as well as looking cool.

I want to be able to actually work with the UK group. Swap thumbnails & ideas; re-work someone elses idea; color someone elses piece; let someone else work on my piece; chop & change, cut & paste, duck and a dive etc etc...

If I am repeating myself, I'm sorry. My soul purpose is to have a good set of thumbnail designs > a finished color piece > 3D modelled work (if someone wants.) In that order. This would show that we have actually THOUGHT about our designs.
In my Gaming group (outside of CA) we have started simple. At the moment we are creating an actual website, we are called Electric Eye Entertainment. I have been working with a Web/3D guy who took a character of mine, modelled him, and animated him. Now I have something in 3D for my portfolio, and so does he.


Here's what we'll do.

Those of you with solid ideas - write em down on paper. In detail. When we have the next meet, we will discuss it properly. I think we all need to be face to face on this. We'll work together, and come up with a project to suit us ALL.
EDIT: those of you in the Industry who can help us out, please raise your hand with a few suggestions regards to approach etc..

Kisses
Mollyx

[Dirty C]

Well, Koshime and will be giving a lecture at the next meet: "How to take a thriving thread and kill it really quickly :D". C'mon folks, back to the business at hand. We'll have a quick chat about what people want to do on the 12th.

Speaking of which, who's coming then? I'll post the location and everything again. And I may even supply some xmas mince pies :D

[Crane]

I agree with Molly, We need to start simple.
Decide wat kinda city it is first, do sketches/designs then work up to finals
Trade/re work each others ideas still while keeping it simple.
Don't wanna rush into and ruin everything with to much to work around.

So ya, 1st, decide the city! then work around that blah blah blah...

Not making anymore meets in winter time.

[lowpolymatt]

Can it have chicks with guns and monsters?

[Crane]

haha. Lowpoly, Wat kinda city would that be?
Some radical Mob Wars going on there.

I think it should be based around Halo style/theme/age
Because the concept is still believeable, since the buildings and tech doesn't differ to much from now days, apart from the upgrade in armor and watnot.

The covenant tech and weapons are a bit complex so its best to stay away from the needler and plasma stuff at the mo.
So ya, I think halo is a great reffence for the city.

Not saying copy The Halo world, but make it simple yet awesome to look at and so on.
My point of view.

[Dirty C]

At some point, yes, there will need to be chicks, guns, and monsters. But starting with an idea based on an established one is a bad idea, I think, Neon. Whatever we start, it has recently felt as though the mood around here has been that we don't do enough with the ideas. And starting by giving a fully developed world as a reference point is essentially excusing us from having any ideas whatsoever. Not dissing your idea, and any thinking is good thinking right now, but I think we need to start with much more elemental thinking, whatever we do.

I have a feeling Halo will be haunting this board for the next few months.. :[

[Crane]

Dang, Yea i thought of that point after i posted and was like, crap.. lol

Well its gunna be pretty hard coming up with a unquie Cityscape since so many have be done, some pretty radical, some simple and believeable, some just crap.

I still think it should be a Milita based city, since alot of people here, especially kim, can come up with some pretty awesome designs in that genre.
And i wanna try out some of my ideas to, since i feel they can go somewhere lol.

But thats just my love for awesome kick ass tech.

[Rhaucan]

rrrgh, hurry up and tell me to design something!!. Well I'm not going to be able to make this meet, not if any of my family want christmas presents. I don't think they'll accept drawings as presents :(.

I've got to say though I found Dirty C's idea really exciting, if it isn't possible at first , it's always worth keeping in mind for the future. It sounded like a very..organic approach to concept design, looking at roots and foundations first and creating something living.

[sketchling]

Yo all :) Nothing to add to the city thing for the moment....BUT I thought id post some of the work iv been up to in the last 2 days cause I have not posted in a LONG time... havin a bit of free time inspired me a LOT!!! Anyways...

1) Inspired by the last part of fantasia 2004... the earth spirit animation.
http://www.sketchling.com/artwork/encounter.jpg

2) Just something I was playing with on Koshime's computer. We met in the national library coffee shop. THAT is a very good place for small-medium sized meetings... anyways, here it is :)
http://www.sketchling.com/artwork/waterhouse.jpg

and another I did a week or so ago... http://www.sketchling.com/artwork/icecastle.jpg

[Dirty C]

Shit Kim, you're getting really amazing these days. All of those are first rate.

Can tell you're still using photoshop though, lame ass :D

[Matt Dixon]

Nice work, Sketchling! The first two have great atmosphere.

[Dirty C]

bitch got atmosphere like conan got bicep!

[sketchling]

Bitch got light direction like conan got PHD.

Oh, and thanks Matt. :) Much appreciated :bounce:

[sketchling]

Oh yeah... I nearly forgot :) Here are my lifedrawings iv been doing after workl :)
www.sketchling.com/sketches/lifedrawing/index.htm

all 5-10 minute poses. I love lifedrawing!!! You learn so much its scary. Anyways :bashful:

edit : Dirty_c... Note the eggs... she was happy that i used them :) hehe (oh, and thanks for comparing my atmosphere to conans biceps... he's my hero) (sadly, there was a stage in my life where that didnt qualify for sarcasm... haha... eh em :nohope: )

[sketchling]

Just occured to me that 'conan' is now gov'ner of california.. HAHAHAHAHA only in bloody america. hehe. that is just too funny. :muscle: Maybe there is hope for my lighting yet!

:)
K

[Molly]

Kim - nice life drawing, good poses too..

Keep at it bro!

Mollyx

[acuna_read]

So is the 12th a set date then?

Im confused by all of the above, just tell me when I can draw some cars. :S

[Crane]

Bloody hell kim, them pics are the dogs bollocks!!

I especially like the 1st one (inspired by fantasia i think)
Love the setting and the calmness but the seriousness too.
And the feeling it gives me and the inspiration lol.
Great work, Two thumbs up from the fat guy!!.

More about the city project folks!!

[Rhaucan]

ooooh, very nice kim, "encounter" has gone in my favourites and inspiration folder :). I never new you had a website either. And excellent choice in edge and gamustra. Its coming to the point where every direction I look says MAKE A PORTFOLIO. Which reminds me I had opinions to ask for...

I'm not really practiced in either photoshop or painter, I was mainly using painter. But i've recently switched to photoshop because its more commonly used and so might be a more adaptable program to know. What do you all think? Wisdom or foolery?

[koshime]

dont specialise in one. be versatile in both. Tools to achieve the end. Painter and photoshop are a perfect marriage........jst the memory requirement is....immense on dinosaur machines. heheeh

[Crane]

Thats always a good idea, get good at everything!!

I really need to practice on PS... sigh...

[Molly]

Kim, dude, I never said...nice paintings, real nice. You always amaze me, never stop!
Damn, when I grow up, I'ma gonna be just like you...:)

I'm prolly gonna meet Cartoonfox tomorrow night, so if Laaandon peeps are up for it(DC, Shetchling, Koshime,Schlo-Mo, Acuna etc), bell Cartoon or me, we still need to arrange a place/time to meet...soo...
oh, Kim, sorry I didnt reply to ur txt, looks like yourself and Koshime had a good time anyhoo...

Mollyx

[Schlo-mo]

Hey guys,

A little LDN meet up tomorrow sounds like it could be fun. Depending on what my mates are doing, where and when you guys meet up, Ill try come (if its ok).

-Kim, youre metamorphisising into an superpowered-deathstrike-artBeast. Please stop before the next meet as I fear you may maul us to death and feast upon our hearts. Oh.. and your paintings are cool too =oP

[trev]

Just thought Ide say ello to some other people from the uk. Ide be interesting in coming along to one of the meets in London... Thats about it really. :rendered:

[koshime]

would that be like a wednesday or a Thursday?.....I coudl probably meet up after work aroudn 4-5pm, from hammersmith tube side....

Hmmm, have to try out more of Kims mastercalls techniques, except i keep fallign back to old PS habits.....smudge smudge....

(ps Kim, colour dodge/burn... take a bit of tweaking to master...)

[Molly]

Hi Trev - welcome to the boards!

Tell us a bit about yourself?

@Koshime - today Tues 23rd, Cartoonfox is coming down, no idea yet where we will be meeting, but somewhere central, a nice cafe - any recommendations?

Sketchling - you up for it? Any nice chilled cafes near you you could recommend?

Mollyx

[sketchling]

hehe... yeah. trick is to keep the colour dark and opacity low or it all hapens too fast.. build it up slow :) Oh. and 'wisdom comes from watching ninja movies' had me laughing my head off, neon. Hehe. love it.

why you tell us so sudden -like :( Im booked tonight... :( BUGGER!!!!!!! I never see you guys :( BAKA BAKA BAKA. eh em. will see what I can dooo.

k

[trev]

Hi Molly. Well Im from Northern Ireland and Im studying New Media at the Surrey Institute in sunny Epsom. Im the grand old age of 20 and I like drawing cartoons and digital painting, I also do a bit of 3d work and animation. I like all the regular stuff like games, movies, anime and comics...and fajhitas. My shoe size is 7 and my favourite colour is... =)

[Crane]

:confident
Quite proud of it too Kim hehe.

Yes it is stupid stupid stupid lol. Bugger all!! You need to transfer your amazing powers to me!!

Hey Trev, welcome to...well here!!
Just wanna say, I have bigger feet than you!! to no relation to wat i should be saying.
But damn, thats gunna be one hellava way to travel to meet man, well hope to meet ya anyway! just not in the winter..hehe

[trev]

Epsoms not that far form london - takes about 45 mins to get to Waterloo by train. However, being able to afford the train ticket is another matter ;)

[Crane]

oooooh, well the worlds alot smaller than i think. everythings suddenly closer together lol.
Well ya, the ticket from here cost alot (for me) and i keep saying have it somewhere nearer, like kent!! so Cartoonfox doesn't have to travel farther, and me not at all hehe.

[koshime]

Molly/Cartoonfox

Well - all i have is some cheap photocopy A4 and a few biros, can draw...
errrr, depends where you guys want to meet (and what time?). The starbucks at leicester square is always accesible...once you get a seat.....

Kim - keeeeep colours dark, opacity low...and then dodge, dodge, dog em...got it....in theory, practise...another case...

[trev]

Uh Ide like to come along tonight if its possible =) Is it definatly going to be around five?

[Molly]

Trev - of course you can come dude:)

We'll take Koshimes idea, and meet in Star Bucks in Leicester Square, between 6.00pm - 6.30pm. If any of you arrive early round 5.00pm - save a seat man!!!!!

ALL ARE WELCOME!

Sketchling, Schlo-Mo and myself confirmed, Trev too :)
Trev - I am a girl, and will have a red hooded top on, and will be holding an A3 Sketchbook, which funnily enough, has 'SKETCHBOOK" written across it...

SEE YA'S ALL THERE!

CARTOONFOX - TURN UR BLAADY FONE ON!!!!

Mollyx

[koshime]

well - my fone is abotu to die..got kims sms, will head there early actually, once i scour teh art shop (CASS art) near Kims workplace..if they still open....

[trev]

Im leaving the house in about ten mins so I should be there around six. Ive got short hair, glasses and will be wearing a black jumper, jeans, some really knackered sneakers and carying a grey bag. Cya there!

[Schlo-mo]

Hey guys,
That was a pretty good meetup, especially seeing as it was organised in a day.
Lots of walking, good food, some laughs and some awesome ideas. Now im super keen for Christian to write up all the stuff. Im glad we got all that shit out of the way and now we can actually start on this mother.
Nice seeing you all again, and meeting Trev..

-Danny

[koshime]

wow - you get home fast....
pretty good da out...we'll see each otehr more after San fran i guess unless we meet up next dec

[trev]

Hi guys, nice meeting you lot =) Had a good evening of just sketching - don't think I produced anything too special but now I have some ideas kicking around.

When is the San fran trip and how much does it cost just out of interest?

[Martial Loh]

erm koshime.. you wouldn't have happened to be sitting next to the window in starbucks this evening would you?? i was sipping a huuuge coffee near the window for about an hour scribbling some random character and half-assed car sketches.... and an asian guy sat down next to me and started drawing a cool city thing and a vehicle..... im chinese, had glasses and looked quite spaced out due to caffeine overdose:P

lol random fact.. my chinese name is chee ming too:)

then i legged it for my life drawing class at the LSE:) at about 6.30

just wondered!?

oh and heres a selection of life-drawing sketchbook scans..

CLICK ME FOR LIFE DRAWING (http://www.certaindoompossibly.com/lifed/lifey.htm)

criticism would be appreciated.. though i think i know what i need to do..and thats practice more.

[koshime]

errr yes dude, it was me....nice perspective drawings you have...
spent a good half hour trying to acquire seats and tables...by the end of the evening we had acquired the whole area when eveyrone turned up..from one table to two to five.....

[Martial Loh]

hehe i'll have to check this thread before i leave the house in future. i'd be interested in turning up to the next one of these meety things.

i'm trying to brush up on "the foundations" as Scott Robertson calls em.. years of drawing..and i've never bothered to refine technique hehe. what does everyone/anyone think of my life-stuff? I've been discussing with some people about how to approach life drawing, whether you need to hold out your pencil and judge proportions that way etc. Yesterday I tried doing everything just by eye, treating what i "saw" as 2d - things didnt turn out too badly - though the guy's arms look way too short in the first image.

oh well. let me know what you think.

[Midnight]

Hi everyone, this is my first post on the CA boards.

Do any meets take place near the West Midlands? I'd like to turn up for one, but London's a little tricky to get to from Ludlow.

[koshime]

As far as I know, not many folk are distributed in the west midnalnds. Nearest is manchester and darby, and one woudl appreciate the West midlands is Really massively spawled all over (having previosuly worked in Nuneaton and stoke on trent myself) with the roadworks and long transport links/M6 nightmare....

Saying that, there is no contra indication to hosting one or starting one in west midlands, but you would have to find more peeps.

Birmingham isn't too central/easy access to get to (well its strategically located, but the traffic in is equivalent to having a 10 year divorce enstrangement)

On a more serious note, perhaps you could start a West mid/Yorkshire CA group meet

As i know there are 4-5 other peeps in the regions there..(normally thoguh if you had to train it down to Lon, a 1.5 horu train ride isnt too bad. Cartoon fox does the bristol-Lon occasional trip)

Welcome to the boards...

[Dirty C]

Hi guys,

Nice to see you all last night, and apologies if I was a bit off colour. Dreadful headache etc etc.

Anyhow, I shall get right on to deciding a few more things about the potential rivers, self mutilation and eggs we were talking about for the beginnings of the City culture.

For those of you who weren't present - we decided that the city idea was a go. Essentially we realised everyone's goals were similar, just different bits of the same puzzle. So Molly's thinking about thumbnails etc can be used for development, Koshime's ideas about restriction and strict design goals can be used to impose a sense of order and direction, and the City is an idea for a framework. Evolving the city one age at a time is the framework for the different projects. And we'll have one ringleader each time. I'm kicking off, and will present as much of the background info as possible, without actually drawing it. I'll try to gather some references which I think might be helpful as well. The idea is that we then have a few ideas cooked up before the meetin on the 12th, and maybe some thumbnails or sketches. From there we can collaborate and really get things going visually.

And thank buggery for that :)

DC

[lowpolymatt]

mutilation and eggs....?

Scrambled eggs?

[Crane]

WOOHOO!! a go!!

Thats great.
Is t gunna start off like..sim city, where ya start with nuffin, or like the beginning of time? and kinda evoles that way? or is the city already there for some stupid reason and people just grow from eggs?
I'm lost.

[Molly]

Hi guys, nice meeting you lot =) Had a good evening of just sketching - don't think I produced anything too special but now I have some ideas kicking around.

When is the San fran trip and how much does it cost just out of interest?

@Trev - San Francisco Workshop click here (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=73)


@ Black_neon_bullets, dirty_c is going to post a detailed discription of the City asap...

Mollyx

[Crane]

Hey, thats great.

Good news guys!! and Girl lol
My scanner installed!! whoohoo!!
Just scanning in pics now and i'll stick them on photobucket for all to see!!

You can now see some of my crap art here >> http://photobucket.com/albums/v412/My_113_Oddity/?multi=9&addtype= <<
Enjoy lol

[Rhaucan]

Wow Neon, its great to finally see some of your stuff. hahaha I love this

http://photobucket.com/albums/v412/My_113_Oddity/?action=view&current=Dragonnormal.jpg

You've got a really cool cartoon quality. Very nice lines and hatching.
The ruins are cool as well. I don't suppose you've looked at the art from Warcraft have you? Your style reminds me of the concept artist that works for Blizzard. If you havn't heres the link to his gallery. http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/gallery_samwise.html

[Crane]

Why thank you kind sir.!!!

Thats funny, cause thats my fave one too.
No, i've never seen that art before, but it kicks my ass right over the edge of awesomeartyness.

Compliments compliments...wowowowoooooo hehe.

[Badger]

Hey Mr Neon, liking your stuff. Nice blending and the dog is really cool, a Doberman is it?
Good to finally see it, hope for more now you have a scanner, but now you need to sorry your computer's crash addiction.
Waiting for more!!
-Badger-

[Crane]

Thanks!!

[Midnight]

Bnb - good stuff. My favourite's probably the rat - you got a good style developed there, and a lot of character.

[sketchling]

Hey Neon... I really like that rat, man. Good lines! Really captures his character. MORE!?!?!!? cummon. keep em coming ;)

Whats this guy's house look like...? How does he dispatch nosy cats? whats his history.... he looks like he's got one. Oh, and what kind of vehicle would he use to navigate the sewers or wherever he lives...? a fan on a piece of polystyrene or what? hehe. sewer city's hardest detective or a swamp misfit? sorry, mind getting carried away. he's cool.

Cheers ;)
K

[imery]

First - Hi everyone, I've have been lurking a long time on conceptart.org. It was nice to meet a few of the UK crew though Christian's mini-workshop. I'm sorry I missed the gathering the other night - didn't find out until my time was already booked up. A little bit about me : I spent 5 years at university, and 5 and a bit years in the film industry (half in pre and half in post production). At the moment I am in visual effects but want to head in the direction of preproduction so I'm working on my concept art techniques with the aim of eventually becoming a production designer for film. I did quite a bit of philosophy both at university and at design school and really yearn for a job that requires me to think conceptually.

The main reason I am posting now is because it's really good to see people getting into it a bit more in depth (and to motivate myself to do more). To me there is a big difference between "fantasy art" (which I hate) and concept art (which I love) - the difference is the concept. The best illustration skill is wasted if there is no depth to the idea.

When I think of the quintescential production designer I think Syd Mead. What he brought to the industry was not just great draughtmanship but that all important philosophy of production design. One of the most important things to remember is that film is a language - if you know how to speak it you can be eloquent and be heard. The trick is you have to have something to say. If you look at all of the most classic and influential films you see that they are all speaking to say something. I could write screeds(and will at some point) on the central message of drama - but not right now. But suffice it to say the power of film comes from directing the viewers attention using a language of symbols in order to convey a subtlety of information regarding your central theme. (this should go for games but as discussed earlier the market has somewhat more control over games than movies).

I'm really enjoying the ideas for the city. My favorite so far is Sketchlings scifi idea about the sky cities. I would like to just take you through a few of my thoughts when I read the post...

>>The other book... cities in the sky by... cant remember! will have to check. anyway, in this book, a device called a spindizzy was able to lift all matter in a radius of itself and place it outside of the effect of gravity... out of space-time, allowing incredible speeds. Also it meant that ships didnt need to be built... in fact they were not. Whole cities were flown off earth en masse to start industries the universe over... so these wandering cities flew between populated worlds and worked for money before moving off to new worlds... sometimes even discovering and populating worlds. A city does not have to stay in place... So it can pick up all sorts of people<<

-cool idea... although the device has a pretty bad name - kinda at odds with how powerful it is.
-this blows apart the whole concept of nations - which in my opinion won't last anyway.
-what kind of industry does one start when you already have a device that can move a city between universes? I think I remember a doctor who episode where there was a city that materialised to mine which brought a "golden age" to the ctiy. I think there was a corruption scandal.
-how much does it cost everytime you move an entire city? What are the economics of this? Either it's really cheap to move the city - or really precious what they get there - or they do something very important, or it's kindof a decadent cruise liner kinda deal as koshime outlined.
-economics is a lot more interesting than it looks at first. Economics is really power - what is power? Power is control of resources (the spice!). Why do animals want to control resources? Surely any animals that could move a city between universes wouldn't have to worry about that? Animals want to control resources to insure their survival - are they running from something? Economies are really a result of ownership of resources - if I own it I can sell it, make a profit and then buy more. Are resources scarce? If the city expends this huge amount of energy jumping to somewhere - what happens if there is no planet there anymore - what if the planet has been mined - will it have enough energy to get back?
-resources brings me to empires - empires are built on free energy - by that I mean easily gathered resources. Empires historically have been built by creating a huge resource imbalance by slavery - that unfair distribution of resources by imposing your ownership. So are all inhabitiants willing inhabitants? Or are they just those guys in the engine room in the basement of Fritz Lang's Metropolis? Is it difficult to change cities if you want to? It's a big universe - is there any chance of seeing friends/loved ones again if you do?... who decides where the city goes? Are there different types of cities - nation equivalents? Is civil war a danger in these cities?
-Maybe the resources they are after are very different from the ones we care about? I read a book called something like - the oppanuchi hotline(I think) - they traded technology and knowledge with aliens- are they trading with different races in diffierent universes? Is it part of some higher intellectual process? A kind of galactic project?

Anyway the above is just a brief brainstorming idea on a philosophical level - guided by the principle that once you know what your question is you know where to look to find the answer....

All of this reminds me of an idea I had for a story, which I will gladly share if it will help everyone get inspired... I think it has good scope but is achievable...

protAeon

It is far in the future - it is say 300,000 years in the future - calculations for the expansion and cooling of the universe were wrong.. Over the past 100000 years life in the universe has spread from the tiny speck that was earth and ballooned outward, amazing technologies were created. empires, wars, art, culture, decadence corruption etc etc. One theory is that the cooling has been partially caused by hyperspace engineering works where thousands of stars in a ring get artificially nova'd to create wormholes .In all that time humanity never met found an alien civilisation - they may have existed but humanity never encountered them... but in that time it became them - that is to say humanity was the seed - the first intelligent life (that they knew of) in the universe and in the intervening time through habitat, or fashion or symptom of changing mindset and thought has diversified so as to be alien in the sense that we know it... BUT the universe has cooled much faster than predicted - partly due to bad data, and partly due to the collapsing of certain star systems for hyperspace wormholes. The golden age of expansion has declined - free energy is in short supply - it is getting dark. Much of the incredible technology from that age has either broken down or requires too much energy to run as to make it impossible to use. Economies are now based on energy units. In the time in which this story takes place there is a dying race (haven't made up any names yet) they curate, or tend an enormous computer built long ago whose sole purpose was the theoretical exploration of the universe, that is as it was realised that there may not be any other life other than that which originated on earth and the continuous expansion of the universe making it impossible to explore all of it, they built a computer capable of simulating it - at least to some level in order to more easily explore it. They would instead explore a theoretical universe and once found they would know exactly where to look in the real one for non-human-decendents. There is a legend that this race found something that they have been keeping secret for thousands of years. because of the cooling of the universe the decline of all civilisations has resulted in a kind of dark age - most or all civilisations have turned inward and in this race their science of virtual exploration has become a religion and the legend of the find become a prophecy closely guarded by a ruling class of priests. Our story concerns these priests. The prophecy happened as a freak occurrence 10 000 years ago. A brief hallucinatory glimpse of a completely alien object, incomprehensible to the priest that witnessed it. Amongst them there are several sects. One group believe that the priest who witnessed it lied or at least projected his own fantasy of finding something after so long searching and finding nothing. Another believe that the object is a device - the centre of the universe a free energy device that continues to spew forth energy continuously - with which the greatness of humanity in the universe could be restored and bring them out of the dark ages of it's decline. The third - a secret society - believe it is the key to the destruction of the universe - the nihilists - they believe that the universe has run it's course and must be purified in order the rise again - ie it will cause another big bang, they will be destroyed, but the universe renewed. While fundamentally opposed no one group has enough energy to make the jump (they will have to travel for several earth year through hyperspace to get there.) And they have to decide because the universe continues to expand - the distances increase exponentially. Through the simulation the priests have been able to narrow down the location - if it exists at all - of this device. It will take almost all the remaining energy of an entire civilisation to make the journey. If nothing is found they cannot turn back, they will just have to wait out the slow darkening of the universe. So that is the setup. Our story follows the an alliance of representatives of the various sects that will be sent to search for the device - a fairly unstable alliance since each group has different reasons for wanting to find the it. They are all united though by the idea that each wants to 'save' the universe, in their own way. The story would follow them to the where the object should be... When they finally arrive they are disappointed to find there is nothing there - or at least they think. In reality they have arrived at their destination - It is an alien artefact almost as old by their calculations as the universe. It takes them some time to realise that they are inside a craft so big that they their sensors cannot detect the edges - they are in fact in the hangar of a colossal alien edifice... They eventually make it to a small "hatch"(10 000 kms wide) and enter into interior of the thing. It is at this stage that some of the explorers reveal themselves to be from the nihilist cult. The two groups split to be first to find the power source first - one to unleash it's destructive power and the other stop the nihilists from using it to begin the universe again. All of them are bemused by the enormous environment that they find themselves in and what kind of race must have lived there. There is also the problem of energy for the exploration...

Well that's as far as I've got with the story - I am not sure yet who gets there first - what happens when they use it, what happens in the process etc. I think it has great potential for design though, great potential for characters, ships, environments, technology, landscapes etc... The story I think is interesting because we will see the decrepitude of the universe - how civilisations and individuals are in a state of living death - unable to expend very much energy to do anything - so on one hand we will agree with the sect that want to universe to flourish again by using the energy for themselves - but on the other hand we will empathise with the nihilists because by starting the universe again they would essentially be creating life again. I think one way for it to end would be for the nihilists to use it and it to create a universe but - one which is on the next scale down - a microcosmos that does not destroy the present one - they cannot enter it obviously but does not create the limitless power that the other sect was expecting... that could be a nice twist.

Anyway - how many of you would be interested in working on this story? I have in mind an experiment. Since I am interested in production design and art direction- which in itself is a very specialised skill - kinda different to concept design - I was thinking I could act as the client. One which acts to unify and incorporate everybody's work in order to come up with a cohesive whole. Obviously you can tell me to sod off but there are good reasons for it - first it is a much more realistic way to work - it's the way you would probably work in the industry . Second - it raises the level of the project by making sure that peoples energies are distributed on things that they are interested in. It also makes people really think about what they are designing if they need to present it to someone to 'approve' it... (obviously there isn't any money involved, no one works for anyone but it helps as an exercise). Now I realise I am a bit late with this email - Christian you seem to have a bunch of good ideas about how it should be run. My Idea really is that there should be a central story so that we are not just doing design for design's sake - but I think that this project has a lot of scope for incorporating everybody's ideas, for example - if people are interested in designing the city which the council of priests lives in, or ancient high technology in decay or the ship that carries them on their exploration or all of their technology (including their bodies) designed for optimal energy consumption. There would be a huge amount of to design and without an overall vision it could get pretty lost, but I think if we are methodical and begin from basic principles - like coming up with a rough timeline of their history - then we can continue fleshing stuff out until we have something very complete.... The nice thing, I think about this idea is that it would make an equally good game or movie, so we can all contribute - even non-artist types with a physics/science or scriptwriting background could readily contribute, especially in the research stages.

The other thing is if everyone already has ideas about what they want to do then maybe we can shelve this for sometime in the future... the only thing I ask is that I am acknowledged with coming up with the story idea - cause I kinda like it and was planning on working on it myself sometime....

Whew Ok it's been a bloody long email - thanks everyone for reading...

Please feel free to comment, criticise, and otherwise type in my general direction...

Imery.

[lowpolymatt]

Was the miscalculation anything to do with IBM Maths co-processors?
*kidding*

I have to say, I don't really get where all of this is going. You know, with everyone coming up with stories and idea's. It'll end up with people not being happy about the way the whole thing progresses and it'll fall apart...by the sounds of it anyway. Everyone already seems to have their own idea about it and not a lot of it seems to be coming together into one coherent bulk which could be worked from.

Concept art usually comes from a brief, whether that comes from you thinking something up to do, or from a client. Either way, the point of it is to fulfill the brief and illustrate the idea of that client. The story is the client in this case, but because there are ownership and plot technicalities already I cant see how you can seperate the 'making up of the client' from the actual 'concept art for the client'. If this is about concept art, about improving your skills in this field, then the groundwork for this plot or story needs to be something which is built upon, not constantly changed or recreated....

I'm babbling a bit, but what I'm getting at is this.....if you want to get on with it instead of just talking about it, then you should all agree on one starting point and grow it together as a group. Right now all I'm seeing is six or seven different idea's fighting it out.

I'm impartial about what idea is good or bad or the one...but you should just pick one and go with it...grow it from that seed.

just being devils ad... ;)

[sketchling]

Yeah :) We kinda had that problem when we met up the other night... we descided that for each age, one person or if that person wants, a couple meeting together could come up with a brief for each age... set a series of events, influences or whatever that have happened to the city/place in the last 200 years or whatever. Its up to the artist to do what they can from Whatever brief the current 'client' comes up with.

The first client/taskmaster will be Christian 'Eggs' Malone... see? :uzi: :a!: :uzi2: He make club for cavemen... we draw. what would a cavemans club look like? would they allow women to join? hmmm.

Yeah, so we'll see how it works.
Hope it turns out well :)
Cheers
K :bashful:

[koshime]

yeah,
still awaiting a Chrstian caveman noelithic age thingy.......

meanwhile, jsut trying ou a whole new set of promarkers (letrasets amateur marker range- not bad) on some gaudy telescope production concepts...

btw, anyone knwo how to get prismacolours adn copics her ein London?

[Dirty C]

I'd just like to say maximum respect to Imery for not only coing up with one of the mst interesting conceptsI've heard of, but for writing the biggest post I've ever heard of not only on ca.org, but on damn near any forum. AND DOING IT ALL FROM WORK!! :D:D

Imery, excellent idea, though I think we've finally got all these ducks in a row for one idea just now. It's still worth exploring, but maybe you want to re-open it outside the uk thread if you want to get people involved? We discussed it at my place and I think the design challenges involved are awesome - collapsing rings of stars judt brings so many images into my head it's not even funny.

For those of you who haven't seen the Castle, Imery is what we call 'an ideas man' :P

[Dirty C]

Oh, and I've been evolving the ideas somewhat, btw. The Earth Mother gives birth to the egg which is the moon, which hatches into the sun every day. Then it's buried in the earth mother again.

Powerful image of death and rebirth, there ya go. Oh, and the coral's back ;)

[Schlo-mo]

Hey guys,

Cool to see that you joined up and posted, Imery. The story is actually really good, when I was reading it I had all these ideas running through my head,a small bit of it reminded me of Asimovs' Foundation (in a good way). Im pretty sure that if you had pitched this to everyone when we first kicked the ideas off that this would have come out trumps, I think you went over everything that I (at least) was hoping for in the project. Im pretty excited about what we will do now. Im sure christian has probably done a whole lot more research and writing to add to his/our ideas which we cultivated at the meetup, It will be interesting to see how he reacts to your post and what he says!

None of you guys have critiqued or posted your thoughts on Imery's proposal, ya know you still can regardless of wether C has posted his stuff up or not..

Right now Im open to both, we havent really commited ourselves to either idea or project (maybe christian has, and I hope all this doesnt fuck him off)
and I think both have their pros and cons. Our original project being more flexible and being semi-fleshed out in our heads- and Imerys idea having the strength of a solid story backed up with Imery as a client/director. (Well thats how I see it)

-Danny


Edit: I guess my slow ass was too slow in typing this and christian got in there first.

[imery]

First off - thanks everyone who made it through my email - Second - for the record it was just posted from work not written there! :)

It sounds like for the moment there is a solid plan - that's cool.

The main purpose of my post was to point out to people that without a good narrative it's very difficult to unify everything and make it cohesive... for depth - you really need depth - you can't hide that you haven't thought about it...

I don't quite know what you have in mind DC but it sounds interesting - kind of a cosmological creation myth... In fact it seems to be consistant (at least from the one sentence I have read) with the type of imagery one might experience in an halucination about a device with which to rebuild the universe... he he.

I am quite prepared to let what has been started continue... maybe later on if people what come come back it we can - or even incorporate it...

Looking forward to seeing DC's design brief...

Later,
Imery.

[koshime]

Are there places in london that people hang out normally, after work. Just curious....

I tend to roam the artshops and booksstores, then draw a bit at teh Big starbucks in L square, before plondering home on the picadilly line

[cartoonfox]

hey all, was fun meeting on tuesday, i was supprised to see so many on such short notice ^-^

anyway, heres some photos from the evening

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cartoonfox/uk%20meet%20ups/IMGP0141.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cartoonfox/uk%20meet%20ups/IMGP0142.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cartoonfox/uk%20meet%20ups/IMGP0144.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cartoonfox/uk%20meet%20ups/IMGP0145.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cartoonfox/uk%20meet%20ups/IMGP0152.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cartoonfox/uk%20meet%20ups/IMGP0154.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cartoonfox/uk%20meet%20ups/IMGP0155.jpg

lookinf forward to seeing you all again soon


peace :7up:

[koshime]

I love this pic for obvious reasons :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/cartoonfox/uk%20meet%20ups/IMGP0152.jpg

[trev]

Haha great photos =) In one I look bored stupid o.O although I can assure you that wasn't the case!

Ello there Imery nice to have you with us.

[acuna_read]

Kim, whatever Molly/DC give ya dont take it! :O :zzz:

On a second look that pic looks a little dirty, the lady sitting next to you Kim (who is she?) has her hand underneath the table, and you with that face <3 :confident

And DC, you sort of look like a teacher with ya beard and smart clothes. :bashful:

[Rhaucan]

Wow Imery, I can't wait to see where that story leads, even if not in this project, but in say, a film down the line...

Its an epic concept, I can see alot of unanswerable questions and deap thinking around it. And the idea of the whole universe dying, tragedy on such a massive scale.
Speaking of massive scale I thought the device being unimaginably huge was a great addition as well. I can just see myself uncovering this in a comic book or something, and having to pause with astonishment, and then laugh. Can you imagine the art it would take to show that? :O

I'm a bit confused about the relevance of the 3rd branch of priests, who dismissed the artifact. Just being picky really. It shows the strength of the story, in that a plotline that jepordises the believableness raised alarm bells with me. Sorry if that came out a bit wrong. :bashful:

Well i'm inspired to write now. I'm interested in whether you came up with the setting of the universe first, or the storyline involving priests?

Where-ever that story ends up being used, I'm certain the artists will have permanent insparation and enthusiasm with it as a foundation.

[Schlo-mo]

Happy Birthday Christian!
Glad to know ya.. have a good one!

[Dirty C]

I thank you. been out tonight, had a right decent mash up. Friday night's the official, and you're all welcome. Kicking off at Al's Bar in Farringdon at 8.

[Martial Loh]

have a good one man. im broke atm so meh.

does anyone know where to get any markers cheap in london? im not too fussed about getting copics(never actually used them!) ....magic markers or Kuro-color (twin tip ones) are ok for me. But.... im looking to pay student prices (around £3 something) for them..and not £5 for one!!

anyone ordered them online before? would you recommend it?

*"revives" markers with white spirit* aaaargh streaks! :)


edit - oh i forgot to add something. Imery's priests remind me of those monks in Futurama who were listening for god :)

[DavidCousens]

Jeez, I don't check this thread for a few weeks and everybody goes post happy! My brain hurts from trying to process so much information so quickly! ;)

Sorry I missed the last meet, my personal life turned into a double episode of Jerry Springer last month. It's mostly sorted now (touchwood) so I should be around more. I liked the idea of meeting around every 3 months, that should be affordable. :)

So how is everyone?

[Badger]

Yeah this thread moves faster than a tramp to a can of tennents super, speaking of which im out in oxford tonight.... not that any of you guys are near by.
Anymore coffee meetings coming up? i wouldn't mind attending, for the sake of atually meeting some very inspirational artists.
Anyone got any tips on Route A/B for UCAS, bit of a stab in the dark....
Guess it depends on the course.
Gave a good weekend y'all
-Badger-

[Molly]

:ah: :aa: :ap: :ap: :ay:
:ab: :ai: :ar: :at: :ah: :ad: :ay:


:ad: :ai: :ar: :at: :ay: :ac: :a!: :a!:

:cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :vodka1: :vodka2: :party:


Mollyx

[Midnight]

It's your birthday, dirty_c? I've no idea who you are, or how old you are, but happy birthday anyway! :party:

:nohope: *sad that London on a Friday evening is always going to be impossible* :nohope:

*waits patiently for photobucket to start accepting new users*

[Crane]

:teeth: :teeth: HAPPY BIRTHDAY DC!!! WOO YEA!!! PAR-TAY!! or watever you do on ya bday :vodkamachine: :vodkamachine: :vodka1: :vodka1: :vodkamachine: :vodkamachine: :stfu:

on another note. I love my Beautifully amazing girlfriend Arina.

On a different note, looking for jobs ain't fun.
erm...since my scanners working i can take part in DSG and this city project, i'll just turn out ideas on watever you guys have it as.

er... found this weird concept artist job thing on www.students.kiad.ac.uk and so i emailed them about seeing if i could do anything. doubt i will cause i suck and am prob to young anyway. need to practice coloring on PS

Need some help with that.
Hint hint kim... lol

[Midnight]

I have to disagree with Bnb's smiley suggestion - drinking turpentine is not a good way to celebrate your birthday.

[Crane]

ITS VODKA!! READ AND WEEP!! haha

[Midnight]

I know... :rolleyes: :teeth:

[acuna_read]

BNB (tony) if you want to get a job in a creative field then your looking at office work connected to a creative field (and then working your way up by doing unpaid extra work). A trainee photo manipulator (they sometimes come up but again not often, and at the interview I went too the people there were all at the very least 20+, does that mean degree's?).

Or do what i'm doing and look at Reprographics, sign/vinyl writers, or perhaps graphics. To get anything else without a degree it's a case of who you know not what you know.

Or just look at general office stuff. And you have to be prepared to travel, ive got a couple of interviews coming up, but ones in Brentwood (Essex), and one in Tonbridge (Kent). Both akward to get too without your own transport and both the wages are pretty shite. And in the advertisements for these jobs theyve both said overtime (paid) is going to happen, although they will allow for accomodation.

Contact me on MSN for more info, or do it the easy way and get a degree.

P.S. I know im not particularly good but I can do the basics ok. Whenever ive been to interviews the main thing they've questioned me on is travelling which I beleive has been the main bug-bear. And you have to be confident, I get very nervous in interviews so just apply for jobs you probably wont get for some interview practice, or bring some work to a group meet and they can really really grill you.

I'm unsure but I think those jobs are intended for KIAD students, phone up and ask. Cant hurt.

BTW by low wage I mean around £10-12k tops. around £14-16k pa your looking at recent grad territory, in which case it's a no go for you.

And you will be doing all the shit no-one else can be assed with at whatever job it is, if you put every last bit of energy into that (show enthusiasm) then they will give you other stuff to do, but probably only after at least a month, and then only if you can prove yourself to have the basic required abilities to churn out a basically well done piece in Photoshop/Illustrator/Quark.

You dont really have any chance of getting more creative than that, you could try a local newspaper to see if they need help with layout/designing ad's.

Good luck!

[Rhaucan]

Happy Birthday Christian!!! Good luck with the hangover. :P


I'm looking at similar decisions at the moment as well. Baisically getting any interviews for anything I can. Remeber though, often the interviewers don't know how to interview well, its quite a skill. Sometimes you will get someone who thinks its just about destroying the person infront of you or impressing the other work colleagues.

My gap year rankings are, Related art Job> Art Foundation Year > Unrelated office job through the YearInIndustry course.

I don't like my chances with the related job however, i've already tried begging the local games companies for some unpaid work experience, maybe i should just ask for their signature or something.

[trev]

Umm late happy birthday Dirty C =)

Uh would you guys please mind giving me some opinions on this image?

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=355304#post355304

Cheers

[acuna_read]

Rhaucan you know that an A&D foundation year is pretty much compulsory now for almost any Art&Design related degree? And an A&D foundation will be very intensive, isnt Cartoonfox doing that?

If you do decide to take a year off of studying then the year industry placement is your best bet, or temping/travelling.

Or like you said some work experience, though it will be unpaid :[

[Dirty C]

Thanks everyone for the kind words. Had a blinder of a night out. I tried to stay sobre before dinner, but apparently I was falling asleep at the table before we even moved onto the night club. From there.. let's just say I got woken up by the phone at 2pm :D

Might crawl down to the Bierodrome and some hair of the dog shortly..

[Crane]

haha.

Anyway guys, whens this city thing kicking off? i'm itching to do some designs and stuff for it!!

[Badger]

-Acuna read, I’m doing that A&D foundation, and yeah its pretty important to get onto a decent course, I’m fairly certain that with the intensive'ness of the year it'll beat the pants off my A-lvl portfolio. If everyone thinks like that then I guess its pretty much necessary to get onto a decent course.
Glad you had a good Birthday DC, was my friend's 19th last night..... 5hrs sleep isn't enough to work on.... but better than previous times, :zzz: lol.
-Badger-

[Dirty C]

With the city, don't worry. It's not going away, it's still evolving in my head and I'm thinking about the workflows for how the project will work.

I'm thinking that for each of the five or six requirements, we'll create teams of two or three to finish the image. Those teams can produce thumbnails and sketches, and from there will evolve it into at least one finished image, which they'll all work on. After the initial sketches and thumbs, one of them will create the initial thumbnail, which is just blobs. Essentially it's just the composition, the arrangement of elements. After that, probably restricted to twenty minutes, the next person takes charge, and evolves it. The image can then go between the people, each of whom works on the aspect they think most requires fixing at the time. But the image always has to remain consistent, so you can't just work on the face, or whatever. Because otherwise you'll get areas which are too satturated, or contrast problems.

It shouldn't require too much hardware, but each team will need a laptop and a wacom. I'm guessing most of you have wacoms, so bring 'em. I have two laptops here, and I know Koshime can bring his. Anyone else who's got em, please bring em. It'll help things immensely if we've all got something to work on.

Does that sound like a good plan to everyone? I'm trying to maximise the teamwork and the amount we can learn from each other, and also help people find a solid method they can take away.

[Crane]

Thats just grand.

One problem, I don't have a wacom!! and i'm not going to the meet.
and....... er........I suck in ps!!
Will the teams be joined thruout this project?

Me and badger!! He asked me on a date and i said yes!! lol well he said 'i have a wacom btw.....' so it was implied lol.

[Dirty C]

One problem, I don't have a wacom!! and i'm not going to the meet.
and....... er........I suck in ps!!
Will the teams be joined thruout this project?


Ok, not having a wacom shouldn't be too much of a problem. Almost everyone has one, I think. And most of the time, you won't be able to work on the image at the same time. So you can always sketch then.

The software is irrelevant. And the point is to learn, so do your best.

The teams won't be joined throughout the project. One of the main reasons for the city and the different ages is that people can drop in and out of the project. And if a different age has a different feel due to the influence of one or more temporary bods, the more the better. There's nothing exclusive about who's working on it, other than that you have to be in the uk. And the meets will be the main point of focus, cause it's easy to motivate everyone there.

Also, the teams will probably people of varying skill levels. Don't forget, you can learn from anyone. Everybody has a trick up their sleeve you're unaware of. Someone that's never drawn a thing in their life might still be able to see values better than you can, and they tend to say things like "I'm not sure what's wrong, but something in this area doesn't work" when a more experienced artist will focus on what they know about: anatomy, colour key, etc. Which can lead down a path which makes it technically better, but overall weaker. Ignorance can be a gift :)

When I've got the references sorted for you, I'll open the DSG thread and chuck em in there.

Oh, wrote this hours ago and forgot to post it :)

[Steven Worley]

I'll be in london starting TUE NOV 30th. When is the next time you guys meet to sketch? I'll be chillin' in the BUNAC hostel on 31 Store Street for about a week, looking for a job.

Let me know what's up, Londoners!

[Crane]

Hey guys, just spent the day or wat i had left of it when i woke up a 3 20 pm hehe playing around with PS7
http://photobucket.com/albums/v412/My_113_Oddity/?

Can ya check out my stuff, especially my dragon in color, its my 1st ever attempt at coloring in PS
Hope i did ok, C&C welcome!!
thanks.

[Midnight]

The highlights on the dragon need to be blended a little more, at the moment he looks like he's made of jelly. Also, the texture of the horns is far too smooth - check out some photos of goat horns. His mouth also seems to lose a lot of depth at the snout - bring this, and his jawline, out a bit.

From a purely aesthetic point of view (tricky this - it's been a while since I last actually saw a dragon!), I'd adjust his eyes to make them more reptilian, and possibly loosen his muscles a bit - they look extremely tight.

Other than that, he looks great!

[Dirty C]

help a brother out, i gotta finish this tonight: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=356546#post356546

[Rhaucan]

V nice BNB, especially for a first attempt. I've really just started with PS 7 too. Not disciplined myself to finish a painting yet however. I take about half an hour to pick the brush, then the colour, then the computer melts. :P
Maybe i'll have a go at something like this.

Keep practicing :)

[Crane]

Thanks Rhaucan

I'm proud of it for my 1st try.
This babe of a tutorial helped me alot lol. found a true unerstanding in it lol that i couldn't get from the more complex ones...simple and sweet.

You should really get busy practicing, it was tons of fun and quite relaxing lol.

Midnight: Thanks, yea he does look a little to shiny :\ and jelly like. since i'm not to experianced i dunno how to make the rough look for the horns :(
but practice makes perfect, thanks for the c&c

sayonara baka neko

Edit* oops, forgot the tutorial : http://www.idigitalemotion.com/tutorials/guest/cgclothes/cgclothes.html

[Crane]

>:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{
How many people here hate their comp?
How many peoples comp crashes at the wrong times?
How many peoples comp breaks their FUCKING FAVORITE GAME IN HALF!!!?

dude. if yea hear something on the news about mass murder and a a-bomb, that was just me killing my comp. man i hate it!!! i have the worse comp ever..i mean crashing is one thing, but breaking my games!!
AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
i am pissed off!!!

Ahem.
so, this city......sorry i have not got alot to do now, since my bastard comp BROKE MY GAME IN HALF!!

[Dirty C]

Haha, yeah sorry I haven't done the write-up on the city yet, everyone. DOn't worry, it'll be done by Monday, which gives us a full week before the 12th. Yesterday was my frist day at ANOTHER new job, and I'm still not recovered from my birthday on Friday. Life drawing last night, Beta Band tonight, DJing at a mate's work xmas bash in Shoreditch on Thursday too, so basically I'm pretty squeezeed for time. But don't worry, it's all there.

[Martial Loh]

lol. i started a new job yesterday too! 3 months of being lazy at home has destroyed me! had the best night's sleep though.. i understand why my friends who do cg look so dead all the time now:)

BNB - wot game was it that got destroyed? musta been something special!

[sketchling]

Shit its hard to keep up!!! away for 5 days and I have to read for 20 mins to catch up!

Yeah, that photo is truly awful. what can I say... salmon Teriyaki just does that to a man... (!??!?!?!?!) Anyways!

Um... oh, yes, the dragon. Very cool, especially as its yer first colour in PS. Welcom to the best program ever written. (yeah yeah painter ppl... painters good but its not there YET...9 is bloody close)

Anyways, I can only offer a couple of bits of advice for ya:
1) if you want to clean up the jagged white bits that a wand-selection gives you on the edge of your scanned drawing, make a new layer and set ti to multiply... then paint over the white bits on that layer... an easy way to do it. Also works if you do all the colouring on that layer too, but it looks like you did that? dunno.

2) all colours are RGB right? well, thats a red-green-blue channel image. any pixel in the image can also be looked at as HSB colour... that is the Hue, Saturation and Brightness... Hue is the wavelength of the light, ie red-blue etc etc. Saturation is the chroma or intencity of colour and brightness is the value of the pixel without any colour. Basically im just telling you this to explain what im about to mention :)

I would try to vary the hue throughout the image a little bit. People like don seegmiller do a gradient or create a lighting setup first to get rid of the white canvas and set up a ground of varied hues and saturations so that whatever you paint on top automatically has some variation. its harder to add later. That gives your image something that keeps the eye interested... hue's that are unvaried over an image rapidly tire the eye in a very real sence... its much more work for the eye to recieve a highly saturated block of colour than a block of grey.

Also, if you vary the saturation, it breaks the image up a bit and adds a lot of realism. The contrast will also make the saturated area's stand out more.

Anyways, I need to get back to work :) The trick of desaturating dirty area's between the scales on a dinosaur is something i learned on the dino project im workin on... it really helps realism.

Yeah. not much sence made there, but dont have time to edit and clean it all up. Hope it helps! More images man. keep em coming.

K :blahblah:

[acuna_read]

Not quite understanding that Sketch, i'll try and re-read it later otherwise it's gonna need an explanation :bashful:

On another note (similar-ish to the group thing) im putting together a new portfolio, perhaps to go back into education in 06, not sure, maybe if I get my arse in gear I could get some cheap freelance stuff or work experience going. Anyway im after idea's for ID/Product and transport design. So if you have any idea's just whack them down or PM/e-mail me.

Also if you see/hear of any competitions covering these then give me a shout, got any ideas Schlo-mo lol?

Toodle pip.

P.S. where's alex? :\

[Schlo-mo]

Umm Im not sure about competitions, I dont frequent any real design sites. As for portfolio, the schools I applied for in New Zealand have a fairly structured list of types of images that they want for design school, and It becomes more specific according to what your major is. The portfolio that got me accepted had a pretty wide variety of stuff; I had a certain number of what they call finished peices (mostly stuff I had done throughout highschool traditional paints and pastels, some photomanips, life drawings), They asked for some personal peices too, so I included some of the more tech stuff I had done digitally. The largest part of the portfolio was something which applied only to the tech design students (transport, ID etc) and that was a developmental progress notes/pages which you had done towards one of the peices.
So I chose to use the developmental work I had done for one of the personal peices I had sent, which was various designs of a fictional city. So I pretty much scanned in pages and pages of Thumbnails and working notes I had done for this peice.

I was told that the main thing they were looking for in the portfolio was strong developmental pages, these show your design thoughts and processes, which is paramount to them.

Although in the schools I looked at, in the first year, all the design students are pretty much intermingled. So They have a sort of foundation year where you get a taste of general design, but within the core papers/classes they have more specified elective papers and classes. For example I'd be taking a core design studio class with people who are studying VCD (visual communication design, which houses all the illustrators, animators and graphic designers) at the same time, in that semester, id be doing elective papers on post industrial revolution design history with people doing transport design. And while we were doing that the Illustrators and animators would be taking Lifedrawing 1, for example.

Not much of that made sense, I just threw down all that was in my head.

[Midnight]

Well, it seems the people at Photobucket are having a few difficulties - they're now not accepting anyone new until 'early December' >:{

[Dirty C]

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=358130#post358130

I've just posted an introduction so far. Go take a look anyhow, and we can refine what I've put so far.

[Badger]

Wrreeeyyy! thats great DC, so are we posting all further city based posts there? or just our images?
-Badger-

[acuna_read]

Thanks for the long post Schlo but I dont think I put myself across proerly, I was just wondering if anyone had any more specific idea's on portfolio pieces, I have a fiarly good idea of what I need in gneral, ie life drawing, sketch books etc. But for the desgn pieces I feel I am now alot better than I was a year ago when I made my last one so wish to update, but was wondering if anyone had any idea's. I can roll off a list of obvious things, mobile phone etc etc but as ive got alot of time (a year almost) I may as well find good things to design.

There is a new bridge that has been built by a deisgner called Thomas Heatherwick http://www.icon-magazine.co.uk/issues/january/heatherwick.htm

There is a small foot-bridge he's designed that to lift up curls round into a cirlce/octagon shape. It's really quite amazing, he's done loads of otehr things as well from city centre spaces to handbags.

I just need some idea to spark me off and knew you were interested in the same field. I realise the best designs are some of the simplest and are for the simplest things (a bridge is relatively simple compared to a PDA for instance), and that is down to the designer but i'm just trying to braim-storm a bit wider to see if I can continue to improve/make a better portfolio.

Cheers, Reuben!

[Schlo-mo]

Whiteware, hah i dunno really.. My UNI has some kind of deal with Fisher and Paykel (amoung other whiteware manufacturers) where the students do internships there and look at recruitment from the UNI. But They also take submisions from the fourth year whiteware design class, if your design rocks then they build it and you get mad dollaz.
Im not sure, but whiteware was the firt thing that came to mind.. dishwashers microwaves etc. I also saw some ID students who had done faux robot designs for mitsubishi, that could be interesting for you? Handheld games consoles was other stuff I saw, thats something which Id like to do, I dunno about you.

I think this is kinda hard, for me design and art seems like such a personal thing, unless youre designing, drawing or painting from/for a brief set by someone. I find if what youre working on (in terms of subject matter) is something that you enjoy then it becomes alot easier to produce baddass work. But the only thing I know you enjoy is vehicles.. motorbikes?

[acuna_read]

Yeah my main passion lies with motorbikes and that would be great to work in one day but realistically im far from the best in the world and probably never will be so product design is alot more realistic and appeals to me in quite a different way. Motorbike design (and car design) to me revolves alot about passion, try riding a Ducati sports bike and you realise theyre pretty shite, around a race track though they will make perfect sense. It's all about passion, you can leave your brain behind alot of the tiem, then re-engage it later once youve moved on. With product design im always thinking about interaction, as all products require use by people and most likely with hands. It makes me think alot more, and it removes me to start thinking about something I might not necessarly know/experience, that's why i'm particularly interested in inclusive design and why I love Domestos bleach bottles, Heineken bottles and bus buttons.

hmmmm, a hand-held device sounds quite interesting, and there you go youve done exactly what ive needed. Youve given me an idea, ta very much.

Did you see the other day on the news they have created a hologram type device in Japan? It looked like an electronic zoe-trope thing, very interesting. I am gonna design a new type of phone/communication device and it will be based around that.

Thanks alot Dan, that was all I needed :bashful:

[Rhaucan]

Hmmm very interesting acuna and Schlo mo. Just popping a note here to say I'm changing my account to "IllustriousHarry" :confident .

[sketchling]

ola ppl

Just got a WIP I want to send here for comments and crits. Thiis is part of my skycities idea :) New idea's in it anyways.

Its too late to continue now... need sleep. This is what I consider about 60% on the way. I have several major things I still want to do, but tell me what you think :)
www.sketchling.com/artwork/wip/sky-city_wip.jpg

cheers
K

[trev]

Very nice indeed! Im not sure if there is anything wrong with it that more time and effort wont fix. I do have a couple of ideas/sujestions.

Some arch like supports under the walkway could look nice.Or perhpas even not having any walkway and instead a tangle of roots?

All the irregular forms remind me of art nouveau - perhaps looking at some art nouveau architecture could be a source of inspiration.

Hope that was of some help.

Oh and hello again everyone else =) Im back for a bit: had a nice crazy deadline last week - Im still sorting myself out, my body clock has gone nutz.
I wouldn't mind another meet in London some time this week if anyones interested? Bit short notice I know buuut :bashful:

[Molly]

Hey ppl,

Trev - I think theres a meet this Sunday at dirty_c's house (dude, please confirm:))
Sketchling - rrreal nice pic - no crits either from here, real nice feel you got going in the pic. Very earie and the idea/concept - brilliant!:)
Keep at it man, post some more if you got it!

Mollyx

[Dirty C]

Yes, this sunday. I'll post the city stuff tonight. The picture's much more complete now.

Just came back from Florence. Words do not suffice :)

[trev]

Sorry guys, by Sunday Ill be back home in Northern Ireland - flying home this firday for my 21st =) Hope you lot have a good time anyway! Tc cya later.

[Dirty C]

Right, hi everyone. Here be the first synopsis: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=360672&posted=1#post360672 Feel free to contribute some more references if you want, and kick off some sketches or ideas or whatever. Be great to see some design happen during the week, before the actual images get decided on the weekend.

[young paddy1]

that little synopsis gave me some really crazy images in me bonce, where does the water go?



It's like some genetic disney land :mouse: in there with the tall, wide, blnde, green eyed, american indian, black people, this looks like it's gonna be V cool.

[Dirty C]

The water actually continues off the mountains, into the plains and disappears into caves, deep into the earth. Yes, I had worked that out already :)

[Dirty C]

Can we shift things over there, by the way? Just with regards to the City. I'd like people to start posting sketches, and then others doing quick overpaints and things - just to stimulate creativity.

[RES]

I'am new to the forums and haven’t posted in this thread yet so I thought id just say Hello :teeth:

[Badger]

Hey Res, welcome, feel free to say a few words post some art, so we know who we are dealing with... in a non threatening kinda way..
-Badger-

[Red Giant]

Hi all, thanks to Molly i've only just stumbled accross this thread. Thanks Molly. ;) She suggested that I let you guys know a little about a Figurative art school im running in Salisbury, Wiltshire(an hour or so on the train from London). It was set up originally to provide access to models on a regular basis, i am a great believer that you have to draw from life as much as humanly possible. We have just finished the first term which went well, but our advertising hasnt quite kicked in yet. There will be a site up very soon that will provide news updates, information and a gallery for students to exhibit work.
The class returns on Fri Jan 28th and will continue for an eight week term, at the end of which there will be a week long intensive course. We will also hold several exhibitions throughout the year so that students can sell any work produced in or outside the class if they so desire. The artists involved in the project are behind it 100%, it should shape up to be a great class that we just want to continue to improve and develop.Any thoughts on how to really get it going?

Cheers all and good to be part of the uk thread. :teeth:

[Dirty C]

Res, you're in Derbyshire? Pity, there's nobody there with any talent whatsoever.

[young paddy1]

where the fuck did that come from dirty_c

[D-ZiNeR]

anyone from west yorkshire?

[sketchling]

hmmm... you got some history in west derbishire or is someone really shit-hot living there, casue that sounded remarkably like sarcasm... :\

[Molly]

Hey People,

Red Giant - Welcome to the boards! And thanx for posting!
D-ZINeR - Welcome to the UK thread!

Mollyx

[D-ZiNeR]

thanks Molly..

[Dirty C]

Matt Dickson lives there, dunny?

:D

(and welcome Res, I was indeed being sarcastic)

OOPS - and D-Ziner and Red Giant too! Be great to see any or all of you on Sunday.

[koshime]

Decided to get out of the analogue rut and do a digital paint for fun
here is a ruined docking station with some airships

http://www.medievalfx.com/concept/airship_ruins6.jpg

[Red Giant]

When do you guys meet and for how long, i'm more than willing to make the trip and meet up. Probably in the new year now, got a few bits of work to finish before xmas, man it's been hectic this lead up to christmas!!!!!!!

[Aly Fell]

Hey RES, Hi! Whereabouts are you in Derbyshire? I'm in Buxton, but work in Derby. And I notice from your profile you're a games artist.

[Molly]

Hey Posh - lurve the Bling girl pic you did in the Finished section, shes a cutey :) ANd damn - when we gonna meet you dude? Would love to see you paint....

Hey welcome RES & Midnight (if I havent said already!!)

dirty_c - any chance you could add the link to our 'City' project, to the end of your signiture too? It would be easier to keep tabs on the thread, and people who want to add to it wont need to trawl through the other threads to find it...(just a suggestion:)

Mollyx

[D-ZiNeR]

what do you when you guys meet..? i just started graphic design and so i dont have anywork.. just yet..

besides.. i suck at drawing.. :nohope:

can i still come..?

[RES]

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome.

Hi poshspice I live in the metropolis of Swadlincote and work in Twycross

[Molly]

what do you when you guys meet..? i just started graphic design and so i dont have anywork.. just yet..

besides.. i suck at drawing.. :nohope:

can i still come..?

Of course you can still come. The meets are open to those who want to draw, learn, make friends, excel thier skills etc etc, be them a beginner or pro. (tho, if ur a pro, we WILL pick your brains, beware :bashful:)
The next meet we will prolly discuss the 'City' project, draw, help eachother out, so anything goes...

Mollyx

[D-ZiNeR]

Of course you can still come. The meets are open to those who want to draw, learn, make friends, excel thier skills etc etc, be them a beginner or pro. (tho, if ur a pro, we WILL pick your brains, beware :bashful:)
The next meet we will prolly discuss the 'City' project, draw, help eachother out, so anything goes...

Mollyx

cool.. when and where is it..?

would i still be allowed if i dress like a muslim..?

[young paddy1]

I don't go to the meetings or mean to cause problems but I just have to ask, dress like a muslim, or be a muslim dressed like a muslim, if the former why, if the latter, doesn't bother me any.

[troymcoy]

Koshime that last piece is niicccee!


Derbyshire has really nice countryside, I could live there as a hermit.
Not much in Derby itself though.

[Molly]

cool.. when and where is it..?

would i still be allowed if i dress like a muslim..?


Dude, absolutely no problems whatsoever...:)

Mollyx

[acuna_read]

Can I come dressed as Big Bird then?

I dont want to feel leftout! :bashful:

[sketchling]

its scary that the times are such that you even feel you need to ask. Dude, a less discriminating bunch of people you'd be hard pressed to meet.

:D
K

[Dirty C]

Ok, I've changed my sig. Others can feel free to add it to their sigs as well - seems like a good plan.

[Dirty C]

cool.. when and where is it..?

would i still be allowed if i dress like a muslim..?

everyone's always welcome - though anything interestin may become a design influence :P

It's @ my place, right near the angel tube in islington.

[Badger]

Hey i might be able to make it! though i could be late.... its all a bit up on the air, but Molly said i shud come...
Well il see what i can do!
So whats official times? things to bring? im guessing sketch book. pencils, pen's etc. soft media aswell? pastels etc? food... arg! so yeah... il stop rambling. :bashful:
-Badger-

[Dirty C]

Bring anything you want to draw with. If you have a laptop and/or a wacom, bring 'em. This time we're going to try and start with sketches and thumbnails and get them as far as we can, while collaborating. So we'll be sharing the kit round. I have wireless access here as well, so if you've got that you can use the net as well.

[Aly Fell]

Molly - Thanks for that. It was a real quicky for me. I get a little bogged down sometimes with details... As far as meeting up is concerned, maybe Mr Dixon and myself could arrange something one day, seeing as we work in't same building.

Res - Twycross eh... it's 'rare' to find anyone working there... ;)

[koshime]

rrrr where is twcross if you dont mind me asking (north of England?South?)

here is a random landscape quickie
http://www.medievalfx.com/concept/1sthaven6.jpg

[young paddy1]

Sorry for butting in but I think it's just South of Derby.

[nick]

hi y'all, just checking in...i'm kinda new here.

i'll be back after i've read twenty pages of posts... :\

[Molly]

dirty_c - thanx for that:)

Koshime - nice landscape piece, good colors looks like it was done in Painter??

acuna - when you say a 'Big Bird' do you mean, 'Big Bird' from Sesame Street? a Big Bird in general? or a Fat Ho? (if so, I have plenty of girlies tips fo you) Either way, I am beginning to worry about you...

nick -welcome to the boards! - Hope you find enough time in your life to read through the 20 pages of babble posted here...

D-ZINeR - if you want, I could meet you at 'Angel' train Stn (Northern Line) on Sunday. I have added you to my MSN, so if I'm online, say hello ok?

Badger - try and come - the more the merrier!

Sketchling - gona miss ya bro, have a great time in Saaf Affrika! And a wonderful New Years!

I got a new mobile phone yesterday, it rocks... useless info for you all...

Mollyx

[nick]

luckily i'm at work, so i got plenty of time - a-hahahaha!

if anyone from work is reading this - i'm joking...heh..... :^^;:

[Richie]

get back to work Nick,
oh hold on a second...

[sketchling]

Haha... hi Richie! Hope yer keepin well :)

Thanks molly, I shall have a great time. rest assured I will ahve much painting and stuff to show if all goes the way I want it! We shall see :) Lots of photos at least!!!

Have a great meeting, hope it all goes well!

Im gonna get back to the grindstone... (last day for 3 weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
K

[koshime]

Looking forward to Sunday....

Sketchling - have a good trip

Molly - it is good ole photoshop smudge ability (hence, the shapes have a less crisper edge)

[nick]

ah-ha! i see now why the game keeps on getting pushed back...
slacker! :teeth:

[RobHughes]

Just finished Machiavelli. Corse what I should do now is lure all my rivals to some deserted backwater and eliminate you all. But that seems a bit drastic so I'll just introduce myself.

see some of my art at my haistily erected MSN site:-

http://groups.msn.com/RobHughesArtist

You all seem like terribly nice people and I can use all the help I can get. This is my first post here.

Rob

[Dirty C]

Hi Rob, and welcome. Have to run out now to a rave under a bridge in Elephant and Castle, so I'll be in my usual shit state when you all show up tomorrow. WHat is it about ca.org meets that always means I have no choice but to stay up the night before??

Anyhow, for those of you who haven't been before, my address is:

6b Cloudesley Square
Islington
N1 0HT

Nearest tube is Angel, on the Northern Line. I'm expecting you all about 11.

here's the map:

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=531289&y=183709&z=0&sv=N1+0HT&st=2&pc=N1+0HT&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf

[koshime]

As the post above,

Alan lee will be avail at Forbidden planet, Shaftsbury Avenue, Central London on Dec 13th Monday, 5-6pm

someone invite him to cocneptart.org. hehehe

[sketchling]

Hello all! This is my last post from UK for a few weeks... enjoy the meet tommorrow and make loud noises near Dirty_C if you can... it helps him get over hangovers... eh em. Hehe :nohope:

:D
cheers for a bit - K ;)

[IllustriousHarry]

If there was a quick meet organised at forbidden planet , do you think Alan Lee could be considered an attendee? :P. I wouldnt be too surprised if he posted now, what with all the new faces saying Hi in this thread recently, its seriously excellent.
Have fun sketchling, and everyone at the meet as well. My loud noises can't be heard from here BUT MY INTENSE CAPITAL LETTERS CAN BE FELT.

[DavidCousens]

Hey kids, have a great meet today. :)
I will definitely be up for one in the new year sometime, as soon as my finances recover from Christmas!

Sketchling: Hope you have a great time buddy!
Chris: You're hardcore man. I cancel all plans for the next 2 days if I'm going to a rave! Remember that aspirin is your friend. :dead:
Harry: That capital letters line made me laugh. Nice.
Molly: Glad your phone rocks. Make and model?

Everybody else: Have fun! :teeth:

I'm off to recover from my cold now!

[Dirty C]

Shit, I just wrotea big reply and seem to have lost it.

Ok, I was saying that I woke up late and nobody's here yet. So if you're at home and think you've overslept and it's too late, you're wrong. Get your arse here. My number's 077 9360 6466 - gimme a call if you've got any questions, and don't be shy.

Oh, and if someone stops by BK on the way, please get me some breakfast :)

[Crane]

Bleh, haven't posted for a while.

Busy really.
Did manage to get some sketches up of gods religous fanatics might see due to the coral-effect

yada yadda yadda.

Having trouble with faces bleh!!
Molly kindly showed me how to deal with this one my 1st meet up, but..as usal, i forgot it :bashful:
soooooooooooooooo.............I was wondering if....You could show me trick again pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase????? *puppy dog eyes* :bashful: :bashful:

Ps. My girlfriend has the hottest stomach ever!! and i love her!! :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

[Dirty C]

nice to hear :) Really interesting god sketch, btw. i probably won't post meeting-based efforts till tomorrow nightdue to a gig tonight (man, i gotta stay home one day soon).

it was in fact the second smallest meet ever (after the first!!) thanks to you lot all probably being nice and warm in bed or xmas shopping or just bein lazy bastiches, but we had some amazing brainstorming and progressed the idea significantly. And as you can see, our speed painting maestro koshime pushed out some pretty awesome results within seconds.

[Badger]

Hey y'all well i was gonna attempt the meet till i got to Northampton and had forgotten my wallet! :frustrated:
Anyway, glad it was good... i'm guessing. I'm in London tonight to see Silver Mount Zion... if anyone is about before 7... but i guess you all work, alas.
ANywayz, Laterz peeps.
-Badger-

[koshime]

I managed to make it at 5.50pm to get to teh ALan Lee LOTR signing event. Quite puffed and muscles achin, it seemed like everyone had decided to become an obstacle to rpevent me to getting a signature. But managed to get into teh doors 10 mins before closure.

When it got to my turn, i ran out of words to say, and jsu taske dto address it to myself *gah*

http://www.medievalfx.com/concept/alan.jpg
Curses, the book publisher cant take photos - and I look like some dumb mongoloid apeman with jitter on *grin*

http://www.medievalfx.com/concept/picture00046.jpg
The queue to Alan mordor....and gary russell (who? justhe the editor who helped cobble the art of LOTR books)

[trev]

Ello again! Sorry I havent been around much, went back to NI on firday and then discovered we no longer have internet access at home - not handy when you need to do research for a dissertation! - so Im in good old Comber library Hurrah!...uh why that is so exciting Im not sure. Well thats my attempt at humour for the week =0)

Koshime - I like the medievil landscape you did =)

[Dirty C]

Yo Trev,
So like, no porn???

[koshime]

ello trev,
thanks for your comments. but which med landscape?
How are thigns at the moment for ya

[acuna_read]

Saw this on another forum I use and thought some may be itnerested.

Im working all day but if anyone goes please take some pics :bashful:

http://www.mobile-clubbing.com/pillow.html

And if you do go have fun!

[Bun]

cool thread...too bad that i never actually know there's this section for UK artists. good stuff man :blahblah:

anyone doing art in any london university?
anyone doing short course at central saint martin art college this January???

[andy__artist]

Hi Guys,

Another Uk chap here! :nerd:

[Molly]

Hey Bun & andy__artist

Welcome to the UK thread!

andy, you've been about the boards a while huh?

Bun, I'm in London, as with a few others - none attending Central St Martins. we are all slaves to work..:(
Also, I find eating babies gives me indigestion...how do you cope?

acuna - you going to the Big Pillow Fight Club? Man, would be cool, if I could be asked...

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!

Mollyx

[koshime]

Hello andy and Bun.
Not attending CSM, but know of folk who have - for their ID course. Heard some of their art courses are fun as well. Good way to consolidate yrou existing knowledge of art/open up the horzon of art appreciation anyways

[andy__artist]

Yup,

I've been around here for a couple of years now... (in various guises).

[Bun]

I noticed that UK's university dont offer as much art courses as USA. something like concept art design, game art design are all belong to general fine art or art & design cat.

I just turned 20 about 10 days ago I'm thinking of doing an art degree after my current computer visualisation degree but it's going to another 4 years (plus 1 year foundation.) :nohope: any suggestions? I'm still thinking about it

my sexy intuos^3. got it for birthday <3
http://www.aooz24.dsl.pipex.com/desk800.jpg

[koshime]

in UK, although the game/film industry is strong, gettign in via a degree course tailored specifically towards this genre doesnt exist.

Traditional methods would be
1/ Industrial design background
2/ Animation/3D
3/ Fine arts/graphical dsign/illustration
4/ know the right people

to get in , is mainly word of mouth, old boys network. Saying that, nothign like motivation, hard work, talent and knowing the right folks, to get your foot into the door.

"Concept art" positions, similarly, do NOT exist here, and are rare in europe/US.

Main thign being, once a concept artist has finisihed concepting, they are considered a spare tire/useless unless they have other skills - texturing/3D skills (but cmon, you want to be hired for your texturing skills whne you want to concept in the main? *grin*) - this is true esp for games. Look at any gabe job and there will be 99% of artist jobs required. Then it woudl say - great skils at 3D max/maya required. with background history of good anaouge skills.

Concept art, is taken as a secondary role in the main.

Contrariwise,
few traditionally trained folks who had done freelancing/fine cover illustration such as the newly formed ARKVFX group (ex warhammer artist/illustrators) are very strong on the conceptual aspect of thigns first, and 3D + animation just as good. But finding such companies/job positions are rare than hen's teeth.

So in summary,
The coveted concept art job in UK is rare, it exists, moves stealthily like "solidsnake" and lasts as long as a freelance job. Keep the dream alive :)

[Bun]

in UK, although the game/film industry is strong, gettign in via a degree course tailored specifically towards this genre doesnt exist...
.... But finding such companies/job positions are rare than hen's teeth.

So in summary,
The coveted concept art job in UK is rare, it exists, moves stealthily like "solidsnake" and lasts as long as a freelance job. Keep the dream alive :)

Thanks for the reply. I did notice that it's hard to find people that having same interest around me nor I can find any UK company that actually looking for much artist or at least, only few. :android: good to see you people who's from the industry.

is there any chance to study an art degree without art foundation but a good portfoilo in uk? i will be 21 by the time I finish my current degree

[acuna_read]

You might be able to get onto an art degree without a foundation course if you have a degree already and good skills. Only way to find out is to ask. Computer Visualisation? You mean graphics, if so that is probably considered art/design relevant and if you have the skills then how about going onto a post grad course?
Depends where you want to study as well.

I looked at those short courses at CSM but they were ridculously expensive, I will probably learn as much from taking work to this lot and getting it critiqued. I do know someone (through work) who is studying fine art at CSM though. :bashful:

[Bun]

You might be able to get onto an art degree without a foundation course if you have a degree already and good skills. Only way to find out is to ask. Computer Visualisation? You mean graphics, if so that is probably considered art/design relevant and if you have the skills then how about going onto a post grad course?
Depends where you want to study as well.

I looked at those short courses at CSM but they were ridculously expensive, I will probably learn as much from taking work to this lot and getting it critiqued. I do know someone (through work) who is studying fine art at CSM though. :bashful:

:( I have no choice but to learn. thank my parents that are paying them fees for me at CSM for short courses. Computer Visualisation I'm doing is no way near art stuff. they tricked me into it :dead: first year they taught us about graphic stuff but as soon as I get on 2nd year, it suddenly merged with maths degree and become completely maths related stuff and computer programming. I've been doing art stuff for all my life and I love it <3 I will perhaps build myself a portfoilo and then do a postgraduate degree or some sort. wish me luck :wink:

so far it's the first year I gotten into CG using photoshop and paint my images I only uploaded my stuff at deviantart

http://ayanami-rei.deviantart.com

I still got to learn loads of stuff

[koshime]

here is some pre warning, all these fine art courses - they dont get you any closer (even the post grad ones) to concept art/game art or movie art. These courses, will try to open you to exploring differnt ways to produce art.

Fine art
- make a bucket out of paper/plastic/cans
- Animate using sand
- Although you can specialise in painting if you wish but they will challeenge you with the bucket art *grin*

Industrial Design
- Product Design
- Graphic Design
- Transport Design
- Furniture Design

Good for those who wish to consolidate landscape/enviroemntal/vechile art whilst making that future hit BMW/nokia phone/coolest stereo, etc. Some of the best concept designers are ID trained - eg. Syd Mead. THis discipline brings together the basics of how and WHY you are designing project X. Not just so project X looks cool, but WHY, HOW/ COST/ RESOURCE

Architecture
- One can never build your dream house. Takes 7 years. Probably not an option. Famous architect- Frank lloyd Webb

Textiles & Sculpture
- CSM is one of the best london schools for fine art/textiles/jewerly/sculpture

Illustration
- hones traditional skills. Some of the folk here attend KIAD. but if you have the greatest skills, the best are:

Best Old fashioned Art schools are (which woudl teach you teh best of teh old school whilst you perfect yoru new school digital art)

1/ Slade School of art (Outer london)
2/ Ruskin school of art (Oxford)

3D/Animation and Transport are still picking up and not very established at various schools yet. A few North and South yorkshire based school have promising courses.

Hope that helps

[acuna_read]

For transport specific design go to Coventry.

Ive spoken to a few people (In industry, in Uni etc) and all have suggested doing ID/Product design, so dont go to Coventry and just study transport design.

The general rule of thum is dont specialise at under-grad. Lean your work towards your specialist area within a general course. That's what ive been told/picked up anyway.

KIAD is good, the equipment at Rochester is impressive compared to some of the more well known places for ID/prod design. Some good work coming out. Keep an eye on smaller but just a s good places too. Nearest to me is Ravensbourne, 3D printers are good :bashful:

[koshime]

Post grad - you have the RCA
but i was more stunned by the Transport 3D artwrok/design by Huddersfield - great presentation at the New Designers.

Transport design si a good way to go at Undergrad - if you have a knack for vechiles.
but if it be characters or landscapes, then jsu tpick a product design beased course, and work you way upward from there. Make sure to be as MULTI disciplined as you can in yoru first 3 years of UNI, then specialise in yoru niche thereafter.

The object is not to aim for concpet art but to seek as wide an exposure as possible that will one day serve you in good stead in what ever creative field you choose.

There is a difference between creativity and artistry.

A talented monkey can paint (or learn to render)
A creative mind may not be able to paint to save their life, but it is their ideas which they get across well or approach a problem/solution

A blend of creativity/artistry is the perfect match, that only life can provide. uni helps you to take that first step me thinks

[Bun]

thanks for your kind replies guys.

the reason I'm taking those short courses is that I wish to polish up my own skills and wait till my university degree (im on 2nd year now) to finish. then I will see by then, how my skill developed. I was originally thinking that if by then when I'm graduated and slightly confident in my fundamental skills in art I would probably taking on the postgraudate course otherwise, I would perhaps go for another art degree.

I know that there's never enough in learning art and I do practice very hard. I really enjoy in illustration and concept art designing. it makes me happy :bashful:

I really appreciate those suggestions and advice you guys gave me. I couldnt find other people to talk about stuff in this kind area nor people that could give me advice on this. I even feel frustrated sometimes.

thanks for that Slade art school information you gave me. It's very close to my uni and they are offering some cool courses.

[Badger]

Hey y'all how's it going?
I'm finally free to devote time towards our glorious city, so BNB will stop attacking me with a range of damp fish, Plaice was the last one I believe....
Hey Bun, this is a late welcome: Welcome!
Anyway! if you consider illustration, some good courses are, I believe:
Bournemouth art institute, Brighton, Bristol, Falmouth, Kingston, Bath spa is meant to be ok as well, they are the ones I know about, Falmouth and Bristol are particularly highly regarded, but it seems if your University begins with B u cant go wrong.
Any chance of a CA.org coffee meet?
-Badger-

[Red Giant]

I did a BA in Illustration and Painting at the U.W.E in Bristol and I can hugely recommend it. I scoured the the University open days and was very dissapointed with most of them, Bristol however really shone through. I never got the chance to check out Brighton but that also looked excellent.
Hope to contribute some work to the city project after xmas, time permitting. Have an awesome xmas and a hazy New Year. :wink:

[Dirty C]

Matt, Posh, etc etc: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=371077#post371077

Who's going to San Francisco? Let me know soon, so we can organise to meet up if you're there early. I'm going on the 5th, and the last time I checked Tekura was as well. T, gimme a shout if you think your hands won't be too full when you arrive. THe rest of you - wassup? GOnna come?

[Bun]

I wish to come, but I found out about the event too late. nothing was planned.

good luck with those who are going. bring back information for us I SAY :bashful:

[Dirty C]

We will, we will!! Happy Christmas to everyone for yesterday, btw. The bird got me a nice easel, so I'll be giving that a workout over the next week before the workshop. Anyone in town and off work this week, btw? Might be keen for an afternoon of gallerying / museuming.

[Crane]

Cokenbindstellarsky

meh....

Happy later XMAS!!! you sacks of artistic shit woo ha!

Hope everyone had a good to moderatly ok xmas at the least, mine was good!
Done new drawing for city, creature which i need to decide legend for.
anyway.
baka neko
sayonara!!

Hic :$

[Bun]

what do you people think of the illustration course offered by University of Westminster?

I'm currently a student there doing other course and I'm thinking of transfering :blahblah: so much easier than reapply to some other university perhaps

I never done a foundation course before but it wasnt in the requirement for transfering :rolleyes:

[Red Giant]

Pretty average course from what ive gathered. Although formal education has it's merits it comes down to you as an individual. As long as you want it enough and practice you'll get there. Look at Phil Hale, he learnt from his peers, thats why ca is so great. There is a wealth of knowledge, just keep drawing, alot!!!!!!!.

[Molly]

Hey Fellas! Merry (belated) Christmas...

Hope all is well and Santa got you everything you wanted...:)
Back home now, got through plenty alcohol, and theres more to follow, :nohope: hehe. Looking forward to San Fran, very excited and nervous all at the same time. There is a lot going on friends, lotsa opportunities, so if you can make it, go for it now! You'll have a wicked time, learn so much and make new friends. Please visit the Events forum here (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=73) for more info....

What did you fellas get for xmas anyway? mine consisted of food and alcohol, and a book by an artist (I wont even name!) which has to be the worst thing I ever saw...(at least now I know how NOT to draw...) god love my sister and forgive her when she buys me 'stuff' to do with art... :nohope:

Mollyx

[Dirty C]

There is a lot going on friends, lotsa opportunities, so if you can make it, go for it now! You'll have a wicked time, learn so much and make new friends. Please visit the Events forum here (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=73) for more info....


Weird, Tekura's channeling the admins. maybe if all hold hands and think hard enough, she can change us all to 'professional' and we can swan about getting free credit for our shit drawings haha

[Crane]

Ok.
not related to watever your talking about. if ya talking about anything that relates to wat ya talking about.

I'm having a shit time dealing with this cooridination block (i can't spell)
Does anyone know how to get rid of this?
and any good tips on drawing faces? mine really lack any .. feeling or anything and its annoying. help me!!!

Happy new year!

[acuna_read]

Draw real faces, mum, dad, relatives, mates etc then draw over and over and over. Then copy them by drawing pieces at a time from memory, then the whole face from memory.

[koshime]

look into my eyes. look into my eyes. see nothign aournd me but my eyes. You're under. On a count of three, you will feel you lack coordination and will stumble around the block. wallah! snap! your block is gone when you wake up. instead you will end up stumbling aroudn the block..coordinating faces with a skethpad and pen. enjoy.... :yayca:

[Molly]

BNB - co-ordination block? Does that mean you have trouble putting pen to paper??? One foot in front of the other? Having trouble dancing?
hehe - you need to be specific....or maybe Koshime's hypnosis has worked, and you are totally incoherent and I'm talking to myself...

Kid, as far as faces go, copy them from magazines or newspapers; friends and family; your favourite super hero, celebrities, etc etc. Emotions are hard to portrait in faces but so nessacary, so maybe get yourself a mirror and pull faces infront of it, and draw. Its also a good way to start self portraits. Once you understand how YOUR face works, it gets easier to understand other peoples.

Keep at it!

Koshime, I think you should edit your post, because there are some real gulible people on the forums, and they may go under your spell once they have read it~ *goes stumbling round in unco-ordinated fashion*


Mollyx!

[koshime]

cmOn Molly...
how many havent seen lil britain.....and if they have......Mat lucas woudl already have them under :) wink!

Happy New year. Pls bring back soem great stories of San Fran ;)

[Badger]

If you have a camera phone, get a strong light and put it on a relatively low res, then try taking some pics and copying them, its also convenient you can do it anywhere, even in the morning after new years :zzz:

On a random note: I did the matrix marathon with my friend, then went to the pub and we quickly realised we couldn't talk about anything else, all our conversations with people turned to the matrix, luckily a few pints later our conversations didn't turn to much, mostly gloop.

Hope u all had a good Christmas/new year, filled with many dvd boxsets (what was that about?)
-Badger-

[Dirty C]

Got the ROTK box. Me, Liz and the three people who failed to make it home on New Years Day watched the second half of it in the morning, as nobody could sleep. It seemed like the longest film ever made, and it was only half of the actual film. Mental.

Been printing loads of stuff out for SF. I haven't printed much before, and it's a bit of a trial, since everything comes out much darker than on my lappy. So I'm making loads of last minute changes, and older stuff I'm spending a few hours sprucing up. Man, this is a lot like work :S

[Dirty C]

Everyone, Spinal tap's on ITV now!!

[koshime]

is that an anesthesia related documentary? :)

[Schlo-mo]

Lol Same

[trev]

Just saying, ello, Im back and actually have access to the net again! Though not much time to use it - dissertation to write, project to finnish GAH! >.< Hope you all had a great christmas and are having a happy new year so far =)

[Molly]

cmOn Molly...
how many havent seen lil britain.....and if they have......Mat lucas woudl already have them under :) wink!

Happy New year. Pls bring back soem great stories of San Fran ;)

Yeah, but no, but yeah, but IdidseelittlebritainontvwhenIwasroundAmberhousecos shewasseeingthisguyrightandtheywerehavingsexinherm umsroomcosBiancasaidthatifyoushagonyourparentsbedy ouwontgetrabiesbutiwaslikenodontfinksoIdidntsteali tracistandtheyarrestedmelikecoswehadourhandsinthes weetyjarbutIneverdiditcositwasadareright?buttheydi dntbelieveIwasgoingoutwithBrianfromtheBlazingSquad butTanyaisjustjealousbecauseshehashairuphernoseand usedherdadschainsawtoremoveitandcutherheadoff..... innayt? pssssst...charr man, yourlikesoooounfair...

Mollyx

[Badger]

Comedy Molly, pure genious..
I've been banned by my friend bitch from saying the "YYYyyyyeeeeaaaEEeeesSS" phrase, ho hum, back to animation... :zzz:
-Badger-

[Schlo-mo]

hahah!
YEEEEEEEEAAAS? *plays flute*
hah, molly, cant believe you wrote that whole thing out.. it was perfect.


































I want that one.

[Molly]

.....computer says no........

[koshime]

you have a memory like a comedian...molly. pure g#funnies

[Crane]

:yayca: Woo koshime it actualyl worked! heh.
I drew my girlfriend "clingy" and she didn't turn out looking like a snot blob! or something messy done with pencil.
woo.
yeah but no but yeah.
put you in a home yeah, put you in a home, ya home ya ya home, put in ya in a home yeah yeah home.

Who votes that i should have a sketchbook?
:yayca:

[Dirty C]

Who votes that i should have a sketchbook?

Aye :)

[koshime]

go 4 it :O

[Dirty C]

Hello all. Sitting here in an internet thingie in Terminal 1, about to board my flight. Molly's sitting somewhere in Terminal 3 bored off her arse, at last count :)

Cai, if you see this, my mobile's +44 77 9360 6466. Someone might wanna let him know about this if they see him online. DUnno when you're arriving, gimme a shout.

Pity there can't be more UK peeps going with us, but we'll make sure and bus up some ass fo y'all.

DC Out

[koshime]

prague Workshop, if it happen will be there (barring some life catastrophe e4vent - maybe medical exams..har har)

wish i was there with you guys, be there in spirit

If you meet one of my mates from Canada, he's name is Jason Spyke, 3D guy from Bioware. Say hello for me

[sketchling]

Im BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!

Will post piccies of the trip soon... Cape Town should give any environmental peeps a bit of inspiration... I also took over a thousand photos or something...:) Anyways, hope to see ya all soon. Enjoy San Fran those who are there!

K

[koshime]

I'm sure Kim has undiagnosed hyperactive activity disorder....he's so hyper all the time *grin* :blahblah:

[IllustriousHarry]

All this talk of travels. A workshop is something for me to dream and save for . I'll just have to ebay off all my households possessions and everyone in it. I hope you all either have fun or had it. :teeth:

[Crane]

Woo for people going to san fran!
Hope ya have fun, or had fun if ya read this when ya get back.

In other news. got a daily sketchbook up if anybody wants to know.

[kubark42]

Salut--

I'm putting together a 24 Hour Comics Day in Dijon, FRANCE.

What is a 24 Hour Comics Day, you ask? Why, simplicity itself, my dear Watson. A 24HCD is a personal challenge for an artist to make a 24-page comic book in 24 hours. It's completely non-comptetive. There no winners, no losers, no prizes, and no medals.

The challenge is hardly limited to professionals. We seek beginners and pros alike. The only goal is to express yourself as you can.

The 24HCD will be held April 23-24 all over the world, but this one is the first and only in Europe.

We're looking for artists who would like to take on this original challenge. We also need people who would like to help promote the 24HCD. How to do this? Easy: if you think it's a good idea, talk about it! Seeing as it's the first one in Europe, we could easily have tens or even a hundred artists. We've already got a several foreign artists. With word of mouth, the sky's the limit!

Dijon isn't really far from many parts of the UK, only 1h37 after you get to Paris, so distance is not an excuse!

So run, don't walk, to www.24hourcomics.com for a better explanation. After that, go to my forum (http://www.wifi-bourgogne.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11) , and sign up.

Cheers,
Kenn Sebesta
+(33)6.13.71.28.56

[Bun]

does that mean i own? :O

[acuna_read]

Hi Harry, you could try saving up for Prague. Should be able to do that for under a few hundred squid. I've heard interesting stories about the ladies of the night in Prague, well their not ladies of the night. They pretty much walk around in nothing apparently, rather them than me.

I think my brain is surplus to requirements really (im sure many will agree) so may ebay that for a ticket to Prague, not necessarily for the workshop though :x

BNB- put a link in your signature (the overly long one) so it's easy for people to get to your sketchbook and comment/follow.

Boogus Boo to everyone else! :dur:

[Badger]

So is Prague next year's workshop? I’ve heard rumours flying about for time.
I still suggest a London meet, or something ANYTHING, I’m so lonely in rural Oxfordshire, half way up a hill.
Anyway...
Anyone watching desperate housewives...?
nm
On a slightly more important note, is everyone good? there is a lack of posts recently I’m guess due to term/work restarting and molly and DC have flown off..
This isn't going anywhere is it?
I'll shut up.
-Badger-

[acuna_read]

That indeed went nowhere.

Watching Desperate Housewives? Is that just porn? :blah:
Yep 3 of them have buggered off the rest have been eaten or just not posted, I have been working and then working out what job I want to do now as this one is shite.
I think the PRague thing was meant to be in April im not sure. There was one in Germany last year that was like the American meet but looked alot smaller. Prague cost's peanuts to get to and stay in and drink's cost hardly anything (even on minimum wage it's cheap, is the anger showing through? :needle: ). I'm guessing it's more intimate and you get more involved at a smaller meet, not sure.

I'm good apart from the work, thank's :teeth:

[koshime]

lets hope prague is way after april - exams then:(

I've been focusing on drawing figures on the tube (covertly)
so hopefully I'll have something to show on my next update....

[Alex Kaiser]

Hola how you all been doing? been a while since I've been posting, just lurking around. When is the next London meet? And badger, I'm up in Oxford also, near the town, not sure if that's close or not.

Hope those who went had fun in SF

SupaFLY!

[koshime]

well - a good thign would be to find out when most peeps are available for a good all time roudn session

[cas]

hi all

just writing to say hello, as i promised to at the the san francisco workshop.

still recovering from jet-lag but, thankfully, it's not as bad as i'd expected.

i'll keep an eye out for the next london meet'.

chris

[Dirty C]

Hey Cas. Good to see you rocked up. I myself have a vicious flu and am not in good shape at all.

SF workshop was incredible. Made me realise I'm closer to my goals than I thought, and got some really great feedback, including a possible matte painting thing in Soho.

Prague, if it ever happens, should be in September, they're saying. So don't stress about it just yet.

[Badger]

Hey Cas and Alex welcome! I’m am the rambling ball of fur, from oxford, true.
Well Actually I live in Chinnor, but yes oxford is my drinking hole.
What u doing with yourself cas? tell us a bit bout yourself and voles...
And Alex, where abouts in the land of opportunity that is Oxford? what u doing with yourself life wise? We shud go have a pint sometime.

Anyway Prague in September ain't too great for me.... well I dunno yet, but it will mean I’ll have some money, and art. I'd love to go.
DC- cool, I’m glad. That sounds really positive and also by the looks of your reply, exactly what u needed to hear.
Acuna_read!! how dare u say that desperate housewives is just porn!? it has sexually frustrated people too! and intrigue!! bad intrigue, but intrigue none the less... Shamless anyone?
Take care y'all :yayca:
-Badger-

*edit-reason? don't try posting while on the phone and messanger*

[Molly]

Cas! Chris!

Well done mate for posting! You make sure you attend the next meet dude, be good to see you there!

hehe - still in SF, hanging out and drawing. Bought me a japanese brush pen, it rocks man, serious...

I dont want to leave, i wanna stay here hang and draw...

At the mo, life is good...:)

@dirty_c - thanx ever so for that pic u sent me...fond memories;)

Mollyx

[cas]

yeah i'll be sure to come along to the next meet'. looking forward to getting some inspiration from you all.

molly and dirty_c, i'd recommend buying some paint brushes whilst you're out there. i bought some for around £1.50 each!

quick introduction: i live in london and work in the games industry on a football game, modelling environments. not very creative stuff which is why i've started oil painting and would like to start doing some concept stuff. i met molly and badger_c out in san francisco.

anyway, got to go. :rendered:

chris

[Dirty C]

badger_c?? Haha, I don't remember meeting him!

Still there, eh Molly? Catch me on msn sometime.

[cas]

oops.

i blame jet-lag and the late hour.

chris

[koshime]

I say battlestar gallactica is better than desperate housewife's...."I am truly an instrument of god. muah hahahahaah"

[Alex Kaiser]

Hola, Badger I'm doing architecture in Oxford Brookes, fairly heckic stuff, trying to get the dissertation done, living in headington at the moment, I'd be well up for going for a drink sometime (as some of the others could probably tell you)

Anyone else doing the CGtalk compitition here? just trying to finish up my entry, and looking for some heartless crits to help the image, :) Please rip it apart.

The Entry - Need to think of title for it (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Kishlahar/Tower-Sketchprogress15.jpg)

and a close up Close up (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Kishlahar/Tower-Sketchprogress16.jpg)

Cheers

[Bun]

cool the grand space opera :D looking good to me. especially the colour

[koshime]

Cool painting alex.
Really love the details and mood. Just one tiny tiny detail, i wonder if the horizon line looks a bit strange , in the sense the cloud appears to coninue below teh orizon where teh sea shoudl be. Either due to the same blue tones used, or the placing of the horizon line.

[IllustriousHarry]

Alex Kaiser

I'm sure you don't need me to say its excellent (which it is!) but since you asked for heartless crits i'll try and search for some.

I'm not sure how close you are to finishing so its hard to say as well. But its not quickly obvious what the story is, maybe its not supposed to be. It took me a while to realise the small figures were people, either my eyes wernt drawn to them or they are quite similar to the enviroment.

The sea looks a little flat, perhaps adding a few shadows/ dark patches or ripple lines. And the picture presents a few problems for the geography in my mind.

On the right the picture ends with a flat plain above sea height, but its not clear that there is a cliff, hmmm perhaps thats how its supposed to be since its science fiction.

The distance line is quite blurred, i understand that is because of the brightness, but I would love to see a little suggestion of what could be over there, just to tease my imagination.

A small thing, the second meteorite line could be straighter, at the moment it throws the sense of speed of both of the impacting objects. A slightly wiggly trail makes me think of a slow plane. Then again, theres no such thing as a slow plane in the air so maybe again I am wrong.

UGh, typing all that felt horrible, Its largly incredible and those epic clouds are like an explosion in my brain.

I Can't wait to see it up in the collection of entries.

[RobHughes]

Just joining in.

Alex K:- Bruce Pennington springs to mind. It's very pink. I was told recently by someone who should Know that "pink does not sell". I have been reaserching myself and they may be right. Very few pink pictures arround.

I've been an online artist for over a month now and would love to join in more things. Planning to launch carear soon (just gotta do the dishes first).
Does any one know how you'd go about getting a cover for Heavy Metal?

Meets?

Bournemouth's lovely in the summer.

Rob

[Matt Dixon]

Rob - Heavy Metal's submissions guidelines can be found here (http://www.metaltv.com/page.cfm?id=352). I'm sure you know the kind of subject matter they like, and the sort of quality they're used to. Leave the dishes to soak. ;)

Alex - Looking good! Very reminiscent of Gary Tonge's (http://www.visionafar.com) work. It certainly has an epic feel though as Kim says, there may be some slight perspective issues approaching the horizon. The thing that stood out to me when I first opened the image was the limited palette - the colour choices are nice, but the whole pic seems to use only four colours; black, white, blue and orange. This may be intentional, but I think the pic would be more interesting to look at and have more depth if you vary these up a bit, maybe shifting some subtle greens into the sky, some more saturated tones into the clouds, and possibly warming the highlights up a little, using pale a yellow rather than white. I hope you won't object to a crap paint over to try and illustrate what I'm getting at in place of my slippery grip on the English language - pic (http://www.vortex.plus.com/Tower-Sketchprogress15_adjusted.jpg). While I was in there, I also added an ( incorrect ) reflection of the comet (?) to the sea to try and firm up the composition a bit; you have a lot of strong horizontal and vertical elements in your pic ( horizon line and buildings ) so a few tangents like this might help to break things up a bit.