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[Kian]

lol yes indeed. I still have DaveL trying to pull me away from real paying work. 4! people? Is effekted one of em?
I wonder when ND's actually coming out. *he says wondering if hes completely missed the actual release date* :)

[Arcipello]

Yep he sits just across from me, hes busy doing some megatexture work on one of the maps right now:) we also have Henning and Hoffa:P

[Kian]

very cool. he kicks ass at that texture business.
Btw I loved the E3Quake poster man. top work

[sketchling]

just had a look at yer site Archipello... this: http://www.artofconway.com/fullsize.php?pictureid=22#
is I think, one of my favorite pics of all time. Respect dude. Great work!
:)
K

[Molly]

just had a look at yer site Archipello... this: http://www.artofconway.com/fullsize.php?pictureid=22#
is I think, one of my favorite pics of all time. Respect dude. Great work!
:)
K


Faaaaak me! thats awesome....

I need to paint more :nohope:

Mx

[koshime]

Archipello: Respect Dude!!!!

[DannySketch]

the meet was very cool, thanks to every1 who helped me out during the day, biggest regret is i had to bugger off just as Koshime got there :( however it was closely followed by the fact that out of the 500 odd nandos within london the one that christian just "happened" to lead us to was smack bang in the middle of the gay pride festival....hmmm!?!

seriously cheers to u all specially DC and adam for their crits and advice on my stuff,

peace

[koshime]

yeah. pity I didnt get a chance to meet everyone more or excahnge sketch ideas. Seriously I was shocked by teh gay pride parade...wondering whre everyone was or what these people wre up to in the middle of soho.


Today, post parade..SOHO is clean as it ever was. No sign of the singing/eating and mad cheer that was on (although it was arguably busier than World Cup even when Italy were playing semis....)

http://www.medievalfx.com/photos/Picture411.jpg

[[void]]

ok i'll get the old panorama shot out

edit- sorry asgardian if i wasn't sure.
obviously i'm the one behind the camera :P
taken with the phone so it's a bit screwed up.


haha I'm like an enigma wrapped in a t-shirt ^__^

That photo has really helped, i didnt do the introduction thing but now i have names to put to faces. I so thought you were gonna be older arcipello when i saw your stuff a couple of weeks ago. Oh well >.<

[koshime]

well - we need to meet up more regularly. I guess we can all go for life drawing next....

[sleep]

just had a look at yer site Archipello... this: http://www.artofconway.com/fullsize.php?pictureid=22#
is I think, one of my favorite pics of all time. Respect dude. Great work!
:)
K

he did that??? that's the art for the fightstar album {fightstar was the heavy rock band started by the lead singer of busted, when busted disbanded}

[MoP]

Tie: Yeah, if you check out his site, you'll see he did 2-3 variant covers for Fightstar albums. He has a complementary copy of the album on his desk at work - dunno if he actually listens to it though :)

[sleep]

fightstar are shit but i liked thier art ;p

[Quicksilver]

Heya guys!! It was great meeting you all again/for the first time. Yeah, that Gay Pride thing wsa mad - topless men everywhere!! Good(ish..) for me but not for most of you lot I bet. :P I got back about 2 hours ago - should really go to bed since I've got work in the morning. :(

Paul: Yeah! I think it would have been interesting to have drawn the band, actually.

Cheers to Christian for getting me into exhibitions for free, Sunil for drawling on my pretty pencilcase and Sean for hanging out with us on Monday~ xxx

Soooooooo will there be a Cardiff meet happenin' at some point? Eh? EH? [rubs hands together]

[Molly]

Soooooooo will there be a Cardiff meet happenin' at some point? Eh? EH? [rubs hands together]

Soon me thinks, would be cool to get out of London...

Mx

[Flynn]

Come further North, plz :D i beg bah.

Heh the london meet sounds fun.

[Kian]

*Still waiting for loadsa photos.........*

[Molly]

Ok, I need some crits on my Calender TD piece...

Heres the Sketch:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v57/Tekura/Pirate_girl_sk_lr.jpg

Heres a Black/White:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v57/Tekura/PirateGirl_BW_lr.jpg

Heres a color version (after trial and error) WIP:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v57/Tekura/PirategirlCOLOR14_lr.jpg

I've yet to sort the hair and plenty other things, (coat, BG, light etc) please, any crits, are more than welcome. I want to know if proportions are right, and my use of color - tips if u got em, use of light; balance etc...crit away...Ta

Mx

[Quicksilver]

Molly: Whee~ Fran leaves for San Fran from 18th-26th so if we could work around that that'd be great.
#Edit: I like the colours you've chosen. The sketch is amazing...the only thing I could suggest would be to make the boots a little darker? I just think they'd fit in more that way. I'm thinkin' something along the lines of a dark, worn-out brown with hints of grey. Kinda starting to wish I took a more fashioney approach to mine. :S
*Still waiting for loadsa photos.........*
Soz, gotta wait until my bro comes round with his laptop (it's the only thing which can extract pics from the memory card I use).

Next time I'll wear a backpack, heh. A little easier on the shoulders. :) Oh, and cheers to Kim and Christian for helping me up and down Nelson's column in Trafalgar Square!

Edit: Cheers, Sean, haha.

[Kian]

Hey Molly. Shes dying for a sharp highlight across her head and shoulder contour. Itll really cut her form out.

ah ok Naomi :)

[sleep]

molly, that is fucking sick. i absolutely love it.. though i don't suppose that comes as a shock seeing as the subject is a scantily clad femme. i don't think i can offer much in the way of crits atm, i'll wait until it's a bit more 'done'

naomi: that monument was nelson's column, and it was in trafalgar square not leicester square

i'm leaving for poland on the 8th and i'll be back on the 22nd... i pray the cardiff meet is not between then, although it seems likely it will be..

[Midnight]

Molly - the sketch is amazing, but right now I don't think the colours do it justice. Perhaps if you pushed the values more on the pirate, especially the darks on her forward leg, it'd give a better sense of depth. I also think that she's way too cramped in that frame - if you added some height to the pic (and maybe some width), she'd also read better as part of a composition, because my eyes are going to her face and then coming close to being taken out of the picture.

Hopefully I'm not talking too much crap,
Mid.

edit: another problem might be the focus. In the drawing, it's heavily (and beautifully) on the eyes and face. With the colour, the contrast on the face is lessened and the focus is pulled up to her forehead, with the head-band, and also down to her forward leg.

[lefran]

mop-Was really impressed with your sketchbook

Thanks! =]

was great to meet up with people, im gonna update my SB later with the scribblage from the meet later tonight because i dont have access to a scanner atm

yeah cardiff meet please :)

[sketchling]

awsome molly...you have improved a hell of a lot!!

Couple a things might help balance and 'finish' the piece though.

edges... pay careful attention to which edges are sharp and which soft. I can see you were doing that by attracting attention to the face, but there are other bits like her stocking that are sharp AND contrasted so they pull your attention. Its a trade off I think. Either sharpen her body contours up a bit more so it is in the same style as the sock (think it would work well) or blur the bits that take the attention. personally, sharpening up that boot, and her body to match the more illustrative style of the stocking would work well.

I do blab, dont I? aw well... One other thing would be to pay a bit closer attention to the way light hits the form. The lights behind gher are not effecting the surfaces of her clothes and her form as they should.... it looks front lit. Id either change the background so it looks a bit darker and frontlit to match the figure, or I would put the figure in shadow with edge lighting and maybe a glint in the eye. Its tricky. Your eye can only handle so much range, so you HAVE to expose a picture, just like a camera does for it to read realistically. here you are seeing everything exposed the same regardless of light.

oh, and just a thing that might put a spin on it, but I dunno if it will work, try maybe rotate the whole image 10 degrees or so anticlockwise....she is edy and full of attitude, but your composition is vertical...so she 'feels' balanced. tilting it might give it a lesss stable edge.

anyways, will stop now. I have to say though that whatever you'v been up to this last while, its worked. :D Looking forward to the final ;)

[Molly]

Hey folks,

Midnight - hehe cheers man! I've cropped in to give the composition more dynamics; I wanted some diagonals going thru the picture(hence the bend in her legs and arms); I have seen what she'd look like dead center with more page on top and the sides, but I really didnt like it; it centered her far too much, thus taking away the cramped, 'cosy' feel I actually want in the pic. Shes meant to be on a pirate ship, so I suspect sleeping quaters would be small. ..;)

Kian - true true, thanks for ur crit:)
Sketchling - aw mate cheers for that. I'm still playing with definition of everything in the pic; but I hear what your saying re: lighting. 'Cos shes in a cabin, the only light available would be from lamps/candles. (note to self-paint a candle...) So, Im undecided between front lighting her, or back lighting her....
I do agree with you about the anti-clockwise rotate. The diagonals I want would be expressed more...

back to it Cheers folks :):):)

Mx

[Quicksilver]

i'm leaving for poland on the 8th and i'll be back on the 22nd... i pray the cardiff meet is not between then, although it seems likely it will be..Having a meet this Monday would be a bit too sudden, so is everyone okay with having one sometime between 27th-31st Aug?

[sleep]

that would be lovely.. the 27th is a sunday

[cartoonfox]

Doubt I could afford to come down to Cardiff right now : [

Maybe I can mix it with a short family meet, we'll see.

... I have a 15 minute break from work : ]

Peace

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Molly im gonna have to join the praise chorus and say thats awesome. At the moment the sketch is my fav stage, the only thing i can offer is maybe a slightly more monochromatic palette would work, at the moment the colours are fighting each other a bit.

On the cardiff meet, weekends would be way better, and after the 1st of september would be excellent. Then works finished and i wouldn't have to worry about getting back early.

[yAdam]

Thats great molly! Can't wait to see it finished...I'll be up for a cardiff meet I rekon..Saturdays are better than Sundays for me, but I think I could make either day.

The main reason for me posting was to give everyone a heads up.....Street fighter is on channel 5 right now! :dad: 8) :nintendo: :sony: ..:)

[lefran]

The thing is, is that my boss has asked me to tell him at least 4 weeks in advande when i need a day off....

[Kian]

haha street fighter!! americans at their best. Completely fucking everything up making guile the lead somehow, whilst Ryu's a little bitch. AND having the legendary, almost mythical martial artist Jean Claude VAN DAMME baby!

Cardiff is still a million light years away from me. I doubt I'd be able to afford it :s

[lefran]

heres one video from the london meet
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Cherry_Blossom/?action=view&current=DSCF1111.flv
we saw it walking past a toy shop window and had to video ^__^

[Arcipello]

HAHA that video is getting posted elsewhere now:D

[Quicksilver]

Aaahh yes, cheers for posting that up, Fran ^_^ I'll re-size the other snaps I took once I transfer them from the laptop. Gimme a few minutes....

Edit: K, here they are: http://www.cheeb.co.uk/photos/ca_londonmeet/30jul06/
The vid of the toy animals is also there, heh.

Now to paint! :D

[sleep]

whahey i actually managed to duck out of nearly every photo again. let's see how long i can keep this up!

but oh, wait:

i like this one (http://www.cheeb.co.uk/photos/ca_londonmeet/30jul06/DSCF1127.jpg)

[Dirty C]

who's the chick with the hair in her eyes?

[sleep]

edit: actually

much rather hair than a donation box :P

[Arcipello]

haha dirty_c

and i look remarkably happy in those photos :o

[sketchling]

ya know...there is a REALLY easy photoshop thing that can make a web gallery from a directory of images... a lot easier than the list of files methinks. :) Will show ya if ya want.

[asoir]

Yay, I look retarded :P
Gah, that jumper needs a smaller neck hole.

[Quicksilver]

ya know...there is a REALLY easy photoshop thing that can make a web gallery from a directory of images... a lot easier than the list of files methinks. :) Will show ya if ya want.
Please :)

I uploaded one of them on my site: http://www.cheeb.co.uk/gallery/trafalgar_square.html

[Quicksilver]

ya know...there is a REALLY easy photoshop thing that can make a web gallery from a directory of images... a lot easier than the list of files methinks. :) Will show ya if ya want.
Please :)

I uploaded one of them on my site: http://www.cheeb.co.uk/gallery/trafalgar_square.html

....Forgot what else I was gonna say so nevermind. :P

[sleep]

nice one naomi.. only.. next time we need to take a group shot.. sans christian's merciless box bashing

[Kian]

This is just precious :meow:

awwww ;} (http://www.cheeb.co.uk/photos/ca_londonmeet/30jul06/DSCF1127.jpg)

[Quicksilver]

nice one naomi.. only.. next time we need to take a group shot.. sans christian's merciless box bashing
Yeah, defo, lol.

Hehe, Jon :) I like that one too.

[koshime]

12 hours to brussels...wooohoooo!!!!!!!!!

[sleep]

so.. can we start arranging the next meet? maybe i'm a little impatient.. but i start college in september so i need to sort everything out so i can plan accordingly...

[DannySketch]

hahahaha!wat in GODS name is going on with my face in this one?!?! (http://www.cheeb.co.uk/photos/ca_londonmeet/30jul06/DSCF1087.jpg) i think ive managed to pull off the very special look of being constipated AND camp all in one go, cheers for the fotos naomi, but yar a group shot should have been taken.

[Quicksilver]

so.. can we start arranging the next meet? maybe i'm a little impatient.. but i start college in september so i need to sort everything out so i can plan accordingly...
I already meantioned some dates but nobody replied (does anyone actually read this thread??)

Here they are again: 27th Aug - 3rd September <----the next meet is most likely to be squished sometime then as people would be back from their trips/hols and still be off school (just about...)

Luckily they're quite nice where I work so I can book days off easily. Only catch is that I'd be earning less cash, which I'm saving for the next workshop. So yeah, give us a shout if you're free around those times to do a Cardiff meet. :)

Dan: Yeah, it would've been. Should've done a group shot at the park, actually.....too bad. :(

[Hybridstar]

Looks like a cool meet, gutted i missed it. Let me know about the next one, moved in now(just) hardest work i've ever done and i normally work ubtil 2 each morning! Any chance of a sketch book sub thread, see what you folks turned out?

[koshime]

but if you look at our avatars, you'll notice each of us has a sketchbook link in it..mostly

[sleep]

you mean signatures, right koshime...? avatars are the icons that hover to the left of our usernames above each post..

[Hybridstar]

Koshime you stickler, first my punctuation and now this!!!!:wink:

[Quicksilver]

Hahahaha.

Beh, I need to update my SB.....Nothing really worth showing atm though.

[koshime]

anyways, just look below mostof our avatar signatures..and there are normally links to differntsketchbooks or groups. Knock your self out. Appreciate your crits!

[lefran]

naomi- im sure if i show mine, yours is worth showing

[Dirty C]

naomi- im sure if i show mine, yours is worth showing

What are you on about?

[sleep]

ahahahahahahahahhahahah

[asoir]

I'll show you mine if you show me yours...
*wink wink* *nudge nudge*
*lifts skirt*
;)

[DannySketch]

welldone to DC, Badger, yadam and Kian for getting through to the second round of LMS *claps hands*

[Kian]

cheers mate :)

[Midnight]

Didn't Summer Pudding, Poshspice, Matt Dixon and TheBrave also make it through?

Well done!

[yAdam]

Yep, you're right mid..UK rules!! :) Cheers Danny!

[koshime]

short update on the mini meet myself and Kim have attended in brussels. Old familiar faces from EuroWorkshop are all back for the third Belgian drinks adn sketch festival!

Wet arrival
http://www.medievalfx.com/photos/DSC03913.JPG

The Art stage is set
http://www.medievalfx.com/photos/DSC03922.JPG

Hurri- The man with the dreadlocks
http://www.medievalfx.com/photos/DSC03926.JPG


Evening festivities after dinner!
http://www.medievalfx.com/photos/DSC03936.JPG

[DannySketch]

ooo sorry, just went on the names i saw regular in here, but welldone to the rest of u as well, :)

awsome pics koshime

[lefran]

hahaha maybe i should have rephrased that. naomi said she hasnt done any sketches worth posting, and i meant if i post my sketches, and you think yours arent worth posting what are mine then lol

You lot are fiiiiltee

[fishw]

hey all you london guys. fruitstock tomorrow should be good. free festival in regent's park worth a look (http://www.fruitstock.com/).

[Quicksilver]

Hahaha, you guys. :P Cheers, Fran. :) I'm re-drawing that girl's face now (the one with the S-shaped-like body posey)

So is *anyone* free sometime between August 27th - September 3rd?? 'Cause people are talking of arranging a Cardiff meet but aren't responding at all, lol.

[Kian]

Sorry Naomi, Fran and I deduced it would be a 12 hour round trip for me to get to Cardiff and back. Plus I'm trying to save up for a weekend in London with ma girlfriend at the beginning of September.

...aaannndd to plug my just finished image, seen as I have to these days :)
: [Feathers] : (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=74131)

[DannySketch]

awww kian, u never have to plug images dude!be patient, the british shall flock to ur name,:)

naomi sorry dudet!ive been avoiding ur question for good reason, im desperatly trying to save and ive been trying to figure out whether or not i can afford a cardiff meet b4 getting back to u, unfortunatly the answer is no, i just gotta be realistic if i want to be able to afford a laptop, tablet and italy this year....:( (cries a little bit inside)

peace

[Dirty C]

Naomi - I'll keep that weekend free. Maybe wanna post a new message in the uk group thread? I'll change my sig, too - the sig editing thing keeps breaking my sig for some reason.

Koshime, Kim - damn, I wish I'd come to Belgium. Course nobody invited me :'( Would have been great to catch up with Bjorn and Jens and stuff though (cries into beer). Did you guys get any life models? *koffkofffooxookoffkoff*

[yAdam]

Sorry Naomi :) I definately can't make september 2nd, I have my black belt pre pre grading..! Any other day I think I could make it.

[Molly]

...aaannndd to plug my just finished image, seen as I have to these days :)
: [Feathers] : (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=74131)

Kian, you are the bomb man...:) Awesome piece...btw, I restarted my Pirate girl/Calender piece, as I was hating the colors, and my approach. When needed, would ya mind criting me? I need fresh eyes man...I'll PM you as and when...

Ta
Mx

[Quicksilver]

Jon: Aww k, shame to hear that, dude. :(
Awesome painting - I commented in your thread last night.

Dan: Kk. Yes, workshop! I'm saving up for that too (luckily Cardiff isn't that far from me)

Sorry Naomi :) I definately can't make september 2nd, I have my black belt pre pre grading..! Any other day I think I could make it.
Aww wow :D Let us know how it goes!

Christian: Kk, will update the other UK thread when we at least get a date sorted.
Btw, the thread to sign up for Hyver's arty house ws/BBQ was in the Lounge - no need for personal invites. :)

So is everyone (besides Adam) bidding on Saturday 2nd September? (My sis's birthday, heh). Cardiff is open on Sundays too so if anyone's staying over somehow then we can hang out then, oooor just have the meet on Sunday.

[sleep]

2nd sounds good.. i'd stay overnight in cardiff but i don't know where any of the b&bs are and i'm not particularly.. rich

i'm glad to say that since last sunday i've been on a drawing high, and i don't think i've ever drawn this much in just a week! i got a new set of gouache paints {dunno where the old ones got to.. i only painted a cup and then the whole bloody set scarpered}. so my sketchbook is a lot more colourful and painterly.. gouache, watercolours, brush pens, and i my quick pencil renders are looking a lot better {thanks for the tip off about F leads, dc}

poland on tuesday :bounce:

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Sorry guys I dont think im gonna be making the cardiff meet, its gonna be spensive and the 2nd is the day after I move into my new house, and in all honesty im aiming to get wasted for a week.

[lefran]

urgh, im trying to ring in sick to work , im supposed to start at 10 , but ive been ringing since 9 and theres been no answer. i went out last night and felt sooo tired, and lightheaded and sick, my friend ian had his arm round me and i was trying not to fall asleep, or in the back of my other friends car! but im gonna have to go in now

edit: i wasnt drunk or anything. i didnt even drink a glass of water

edit2: actually i missed my point when typing this, i meant to say awww for the guys that cant go to cardiff, and also i doubt i could make it on a saturday myself because i dont think my boss would let me off

[koshime]

Chris > yes, we have 2 life models. *kof kof kof* . Nice and humourous to. some updates later when we leave for the local museums. loads of talented artists here. its like Prague workshop all over again. Last night Hurri-Sketchling did a collaborative sketch while we watched ian McCaig do his crazy
- murder my darlins - storyboard/paint process...into the wee hours of the morning...

[lefran]

koshime- sounds like fun =]

anyways sorry for the rant, i went into work and they sent me home, so all is resloved

Would another date be any better? like friday 1st or sunday 3rd?anything round then? or another date entirely?

[Quicksilver]

Fran: Friday 1st is my birthday :3 I'll probably end up working though. I vote for Sunday 3rd, or anything else after that so long as it's a weekend since it seems to be more open to people here then.
Generally, Sundays are easier to do as most of us don't have work then.

Chee: Sounds so fun~ I was actually thinking about going but it seemed a bit farfetched if I wanted to go to Italy too.

[[void]]

Wait so how many people are planning on going to the italy workshop?!

I've been meaning to make this my first one for a while now since i missed prague and the montreal one was too expensive but from the sounds of things the whole uk lot are gonna turn up.

[sleep]

hey, if the places arent filled in the first five minutes then i'm definately going to florence..

[guggemmaneuver]

yeah! thought i would drop in and offer my humble congratulations to my LMS the deuce opponent BADGER! errr... of course 3.0 or the sketchbook might be more appropriate but not nearly as public! When I come to London someday i will buy all of you a round a la pub-sketch-crawl in Badger's honor! Well... maybe after i take out a personal loan i hear prices are "PANTS" over there.

cheers and a big thanks for inspiring our CATL thread to brave new heights!

fond adieus and salutations!

guggenmaneuva

[Quicksilver]

Hey guys, I just found out that one of the Art shops don't open on Sundays and that the other one is a half-hour trek from Cardiff Central. Still wanna go on Sunday or switch it to another day?

[Dirty C]

Nah, everyone's got enough pencils :)

[lefran]

Right so can we confirm Sunday 3rd? because i have to tell my boss tomorrow else he probably wont let me go

edit: if anyone wants to stay the night, there are saver rooms available for 26 squids at travel lodge

link (https://www.travelodge.co.uk/saver_search/results.php?search_type=4&search=Cardiff%2C%20Cardiff&id=4574)
thats for 2 people

[Quicksilver]

Christian: Good good :)
...edit: if anyone wants to stay the night, there are saver rooms available for 26 squids at travel lodge

link (https://www.travelodge.co.uk/saver_search/results.php?search_type=4&search=Cardiff%2C%20Cardiff&id=4574)
thats for 2 people
Aaah cool. Only thing is that we have to go back to college for our timetables at 1:30pm on Monday. Could meet up afterwards though.

[Dirty C]

Oi you lot. Entertain me. Has the LMS topic for round 2 been announced yet?

[Dirty C]

Oh shit.

Fellah. vs JoshuaTheJames vs dirty c.

That's me f*cked then.

[Quicksilver]

Oh shit.

Fellah. vs JoshuaTheJames vs dirty c.

That's me f*cked then.
Lol, good luck ^_^

Updated my sig for the following meet. Can't be arsed to go into work today -_-

[lefran]

me either im 1-6 grrr.
chis: dont know either of the other two contestants, so they cant be that good :P (its a theory) im sure you'll be great ! your last painting for R1 was awesome

[sketchling]

Im in for the meet. If im not working! Chris... yer so not screwed. Just put in more mojo :D Give em something different.

I have to look into this last man standing. I havent even seen anything yet...nada.

[Badger]

DC, I got mythmaker (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5945&stc=1&d=1152849080) and romance (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5920&stc=1&d=1152848304).... eeerkk. Oh well, could be worse... Could be you.

guggenmaneuva thanks joel, would be good to meet you one day.

I wont be at the next meet, multitude of reasons, hope you guys are all well.
-B-

[Dirty C]

Kim, ahve you seen their work?? Seriously, this is a hard match.

I gotta fall back on my old comic styles to get outta this I think. It's all about the ACK SHON. (As coba might say).

Concept, concept, concept...

I have wombs on the brain..

[Kian]

I think thats defo the best approach DC. A really interesting concept should pull you through. Ya know JTJ and Fellah are gonna have some uber lateral shit going on.

Edit: Cant wait to see J Chans & Fudiciouse whatever his name is's entry

[DannySketch]

christian i was kinda thinking the opposite, i figure if u end up beating 2 big names like that (which ur capable of doing man) its gonna get u noticed loads more! good luck to all the brits!lets make it an all UK final :) hehe

ON a 'please dear god help me' note i was wandering if i could get sum laptop advice, im sumwhat a noob when it comes to the specs of what i will need, i can spend about £700, and i dont mind spending it if i need to but i wouldnt mind having sum left over to put towards a wacom, bassically i just wanna know wat sorta RAM, memory and other features are 'must haves' if i wanna start digital painting?i just dont wanna buy a laptop and realise ive overkilled it and spent to much or even worse its a piece of crap that crashes on a high res image?anyhelp guys and gals?

peace

[[void]]

Digital painting isnt very processor or ram hungry unless you work with HUGE canvas' which you wont be doing at this point, 512mb or ram should be adequate for what you need, there arnt really any 'must haves' appart from a decent tablet IMO. One thing that you might like is to get a laptop with bluetooth as some of the latest tablets have it and then you can paint on the move without wires or set up time, i think this is only on the graphire series atm though i may be wrong. I think that any recent laptop should handle your needs to be honest.


Now for someone to come and tell me how wrong i am.
Hope it helps.

[Badger]

I think 1 gig of ram is a must, processor wise go with the fastest you can afford, or are willing to spend, i haven't used a dual core yet. But a must have is a big cache, you'll need it digi painting. Make sure its gonna be fairly solid and is well cooled, cause it'll get hot juggling textures, pressure sensitivity and brush engines. Also if you are running faster then there is less chance of crashing, I use a 1gig RAM, 1.8 Pentium M which was a fair bit when i got it and now i'm trying to work out how to a desktop cause i need something faster.
You are going to be working on fairly big files if you want to print stuff out and keep the quality.
Just my experiences.
-B-

[Quicksilver]

Yeah, I defo agree with Josh - have at least 1gig of RAM - any less (k, ~700MB's kinda pushing it) and your painting experience is more likely to be disappointing due to brush lag, pauses and stupidly long saving times.
Heck, I worked at 72dpi, 800xsomething res for my Girls' TD piece and my laptop kept stopping to think after every brush stroke (I've got around 500MB RAM lodged in there. Or 700ish - I forget).

[hugs compy] The laptop's just for browsin' now :D

[cartoonfox]

I paint 2200x1600 at 200dpi in Painter IX.5, with 512mb of RAM, and it runs fine.

... I'm an a Mac though! :p

[mrdigs]

don't wanna hijack the conversation but i've been meaning to post and say hello here for a bit...

been posting on ca for a month or so now, just trying the dsg's mainly, still a long way to go tho !

just lookin thru this thread - are the meetings a pretty regular thing ?

ok...well mebbe i will just hijack DannySketch's question for a mo - do you all use wacom's ? I'm lookin at gettin one soon-ish but I'm not entirely sure what size/price etc so any advice would be appreciated.

[DannySketch]

awww cheers for the replies guys, ur all swell

ok well this is a £500 one here (http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/007865?camp_id=virsa_laptops/) hows that looking?prob serve me well?its got a 1024 MB RAM, 128 KB Cache, AMD Sempron 3000+ Processor, 15.4" Widescreen Display, 40 GB Hard Drive and 128 MB ATI X200 Shared Graphics which all means pretty much feck all to me!:confident can sumone translate?

badger cheers bro, one thing i have no frame of reference for a 'big cache' is 128 KB Cache, big?!

and HEY mrdigs! welcome! in my limited knowledge ive heard an A4 intuos3 is the best bet to go for found here (http://www.tablet4u.co.uk/product.html?ItemID=592) its pretty pricey but ive heard going for a smaller size just isnt gonna be worth it in the long run

peace

[[void]]

I dunno to be honest when your working to a budget i dont know how far your gonna get going after a wacom and 512 of ram. Your gonna have to focus on the foundations of painting to begin with anyway and not get caught up with textured brushes etc until later, its not the tools that make te artist.

Edit: hahaha scratch that i just said your post danny and i think youll be fine with the laptop you can get for the money now.
Appart from watch out for 'shared/integrated' graphics, i dont know about laptops but on a desktop it means way slower performance on graphics demands because it has to use the processor and borrow from the other hardware instead of being an independant card.

Welcome mrdigs, yeah meets are pretty regular, youve got some nice life drawings dude.

although most people get by with an a5 size wacom the a4 will be huge due to the border area, i dont know about too many others but cai christian and me all have the same size intous and its fine.

[Dirty C]

Personally, I always say the same thing. Get a mac. They're solid, they last for way longer than PCs (most people get the shits with their PC after a year to 18 months, where most mac owners I know are happy using theirs for 3 years). Also all the components are high quality and it comes with everything youj'll want. That's why they're a bit more expensive.

Having said that, you really want something with a 15" screen or bigger. And you can't get a mac with that that cheap. But anything you can get for that price won't have anything beyond a celeron level chip anyway. So you'll be a bit stuck, I reckon.

[Dirty C]

edit to that: if you are hardcore and stick to one or two layers, you should be fine. That's good practice as well, cause you'll improve much faster if you paint that way.

[koshime]

get a tablet PC which utilizes a duo core chip. Until Macs produce tablet Macs.. its a choice of Laptop + wacom tablet....or tablet PC all in one. just ensure battery life is LOooong

[sketchling]

yeah...one gig minimum. The latest version of windows with all the lil things one always installs ALWAYS ends up using most of 512...leaving photoshop nothing to run on. So it uses the hard drive...and is slow. Speaking of which, a laptop with a harddrive at least 5200rpm would be good...slower and photoshop suffers.

oh, and if you want cheap, high quality ram have a look at crucial.com. Thats where I bought the ram I put in my tablet and it saved me a packet.

[[void]]

haha i bet you regret asking now.... I don't know of any tablet pc's that have pressure sensitivity which is a big drawback as it takes away a lot of the intuitive'ness' of digital painting making you rely on typing in the opacity.

[sketchling]

!!!!!!!!!!what? where you been dude... most of the tablets have build in wacom cinteqiue's. Just make sure it says 'penabled' technology. I got pressuer sense. just have to install the wacom driver. :P

[Hybridstar]

I'm with DC, Mac's all the way. Up until recently I hadn't had a Mac for around 7 years. Went out and took the plunge, dual 2.7 gig mac with 3 gig of ram. Apart from it not giving me an ounce of trouble since i've had it, little difference in photoshop and painter performance over my pc which is running at 3 gig HT p4 with a gig of ram. Still get brush lag using larger rendered brushes on a high res canvas. Sure they'll iron that out with each new version.

Getting a second mac soon, but just holding out to see what the next intel based machine looks like. Considering a tablet or laptop, something incredibly appealing about sitting in a coffee shop not only with a sketchbook but a computer as well! Neat.

[koshime]

mac -scum. Have you seen teh power of the portable tablet PC (we'll have to bring a few in to influence you to see the light of WindowsVista portable and not mac muck *grin*

We recently did a great demo in brussels using two tablet pcs, hooked up to the projector. Will post the collab sketch tonight

[Kian]

okokok, before this turns into ANOTHER mac vs pc unending debate....STOP NOW!

[sketchling]

yes... put the issue DOWN!!! before I slap you round the face with a linux penguin I dont even like.

[Badger]

Well there we've heard all sides. Ended debate. Danny, if you want reliable PC supplies shout at me on MSN i should be on most the evening.

James, yadam you guys free this saturday? the 12th? EDIT, or friday? the 11th? for some drawing, i'll try and get hold of porgy and pupil and some other people about, kyle for example, maybe see if DeeJ and Bronco are about to speak about animation and 3D modelling.

Safe kids, You all play nicely now.

-B-

[Quicksilver]

!!!!!!!!!!what? where you been dude... most of the tablets have build in wacom cinteqiue's. Just make sure it says 'penabled' technology. I got pressuer sense. just have to install the wacom driver. :P
Was gonna say, lol.

Safe kids, You all play nicely now.

-B-
Yes, mummy :3

[Dirty C]

Koshime.

I can count the number of viruses, necessary hardware upgrades, driver conflicts, hard disk crashes, and other problems I've had with my mac in the last 3 years on NO FINGERS.

How many pcs of any kind can you say that about?

Macs are reliable, they last longer, and NEVER GET VIRUSES. Every time I hear someoen saying they lost all their data on their disk or whatever, I just shake my head.

ANd the new version of OS X will have a cool thing called Time Machine, so you can roll back and recover *any* files you've lost or changed. Now seriously, how awesome is that??

[cartoonfox]

Window's vista... hahahahahahahahaahha oh god,,, hahahahahahahah

... bwahahahahahahahahahah..haaaaaaaa hahahahahahahahahahaha...

he....heh....heheh........ ....hehehahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha

oh man i can't stop...

[mrdigs]

DannySketch - thanks for the link, i'm gonna have to shell out the money sometime soon i think - working with the mouse all the time is driving me mad !

Asgardian - thanks, need to get back on the life drawing, haven't done any for a few weeks now and my imaginative stuff's taken a complete nosedive !

Thanks for the pointers about the a5/a4 thing too - i know nothing about tablets so that's cool to know.

hey cartoonfox - spare a thought for those of us who have to work with microsoft stuff ! I don't care if it pays the bills...i can still hate it !

[Hybridstar]

O.M.G, new 64 bit Mac Pro quad 3gig xeon machine.Soon terra byte will be a common word, crazy but Yummy. Think i'll hold out for the quad cell chipsets over the xeons! Now theyre gonna rock hard.

[asoir]

I want a Tablet Mac :(

[cartoonfox]

Indeed, Apple and Wacom need to make a baby.

[Dirty C]

i know, i can't believe they still haven't. It's the most obvious product idea I can imagine - graphics is their biggest niche, and yet they still haven't managed to do it.

If they did do it though, they'd do it so well it would kick the crap out of the other ones. I just wish they'd sodding hurry up.

[sketchling]

You want a tablet mac? so does earth...which funnily enough is what its gonna cost....

[RES]

A Mac tablet I hear you say...that almost like the Holy Grail at the moment

[[void]]

Do you kids wanna take this outside?

[koshime]

Granted that macs have a stabler enviroment, Windows /mac enviroment nuts and bolts are now the same. Just differnet names and packaging. And, the fact that Windows is going down the route of connecting you to everything and everything to you....

time machine = is the same as qindows restore point. I have not had a viral attack on my pc systems in 7 years. you just need to "optimise" buggy Xp as soon as you get it. i.e

Anyways, if you want to obtain a decent windows based tablet PC for the moment,be prepared to optimize it like hell,then nothing can crash it...save a drop with water or onto the floot

There are two tablet PCs worth obtianing at the moment, but some duo core pcs are also out,except toshiba has crap reliablity and short battery life.so steer clear ..ish

Buy all the memory you can handle. 2Gb or more and download all the drivers you need. Then its time to make a godly machine

Step 1 - kill your darlins (i.e start murdering windows xp for a truly stable OS)
1/ virgin install
2/ disable 35 subroutines
3/ disable special effects for photoshop greatness
4/ stop xp from connecting to your fridge
5/ stop plug and pray
6/ change paging file to 1.5x memory
7/ disable RPC protocol. Now Xp cannot connect to your car (although with vista, your car will make your PC bootup and offload files/work at leisure then shutdown. damn

- create restore point 1

Step 2

Optimise applications
- allocate OS to give photoshop and painter 75% memory
- Firewall up
- Antiviral up
- SDbot as secodn line defense up

- optimise Net applications
Disable internet explorer.
Install firefox and thunderbird and fasterfox and filezilla

- optimise paint programs
Remove gimp setting on photoshop and painter

- optimise battery life for hibernation so that your portable painting device shoudl now have 4-6.5 hours of painting time!

That will work fine. My tablet PC has been working wonderfull for over 8 months now,and starts/stops quite fast.

[DannySketch]

:$

.....

so....i....erm....want a shiny one then?!?:$

lol i can understand all of about one word of what has been written!but major pointers i thinks ive gotten down, 1 gig=must have, tablet pc's worth looking into, insult macs to get a rise out of cai and DC:P and look into duel chips if i can afford it.

i actually totally agree with dc and cai about macs, OBVIOUSLY im no expert but i played around with them for the majority of my media course work for a level and i loved the bloody things, but im not gonna be able to afford one, so ive put them out of my mind.

seriously THANK U GUYS so much for ur help, what would i do without ya'll hey?!

peace

[MoP]

4/ Stop XP from connecting to your fridge

Just made me laugh out loud! :D

[koshime]

:) i'm serious too..vista makes your fridge sing and yourcar drive

[Dirty C]

Steps to happiness in windows:


time machine = is the same as qindows restore point. I have not had a viral attack on my pc systems in 7 years. you just need to "optimise" buggy Xp as soon as you get it. i.e

Anyways, if you want to obtain a decent windows based tablet PC for the moment,be prepared to optimize it like hell,then nothing can crash it...save a drop with water or onto the floot

There are two tablet PCs worth obtianing at the moment, but some duo core pcs are also out,except toshiba has crap reliablity and short battery life.so steer clear ..ish

Buy all the memory you can handle. 2Gb or more and download all the drivers you need. Then its time to make a godly machine

Step 1 - kill your darlins (i.e start murdering windows xp for a truly stable OS)
1/ virgin install
2/ disable 35 subroutines
3/ disable special effects for photoshop greatness
4/ stop xp from connecting to your fridge
5/ stop plug and pray
6/ change paging file to 1.5x memory
7/ disable RPC protocol. Now Xp cannot connect to your car (although with vista, your car will make your PC bootup and offload files/work at leisure then shutdown. damn
- create restore point 1

Step 2

Optimise applications
- allocate OS to give photoshop and painter 75% memory
- Firewall up
- Antiviral up
- SDbot as secodn line defense up

- optimise Net applications
Disable internet explorer.
Install firefox and thunderbird and fasterfox and filezilla

- optimise paint programs
Remove gimp setting on photoshop and painter

- optimise battery life for hibernation so that your portable painting device shoudl now have 4-6.5 hours of painting time!

That will work fine. My tablet PC has been working wonderfull for over 8 months now,and starts/stops quite fast.


Steps to happiness on a Mac:


1.Connect to power.
2.Spend next month painting while Koshime fixes up his PC, 0\/\/N him in thunderdome at end of month cause he's only just got it to boot without BSOD interruption.


Seriously, dude. How can you say that Athens is as good as Olympus when one clearly has to run a marathon to get there??????

[Dirty C]

Seriously, you'll always get me to rise to a mac vs pc debate hahaha

Know what I found weird, actually? When I used Kim's tablet, I didn't like my hand getting int he way of the picture. I've actually grown to like the accuracy afforded by using the graphics tablet.

Still waiting for Corel and Adobe to rewrite their apps to be native Intel for the mac. I think right now that running them under windows on the windows partition of one of the new macs will actually run a lot faster than on the os x partition. *shudder*.

Defo want one of the new ones anyway. The ability to do all my fun mac stuff, plus run things like OpenCanvas at native speeds is awesome. Then I can make Eri happy and play all day on OC hehe

[lefran]

out of intrest, how much did everyone pay to get their own website?

[mrdigs]

I paid £30 for a years hosting, 20mb of space, and e-mail.

Think the initial registration for the domain name was about £8.

I've no idea if these are good prices or not but over a year it works out pretty cheap !

got it here; http://www.lowcostnames.co.uk/

[sketchling]

Chris.... it took a few days to get used to the tablet, but it is very satisfying once ya get used to it. Drawing accurate detail or long lines on a wacom is far harder than a tablet. I guess its also that I wacom all day so a change when I get home is as good as a holiday.

lefran : I use 1and1.co.uk. You get like 400 megs but its 5 quid a month... mrdigs sounnd much cheaper :) 20 megs will fly though. If ya need any ca photos hosted, gimme a shout also :)

K

[asoir]

I'll back up 1and1.co.uk... used them before, great service.

[yAdam]

James, yadam you guys free this saturday? the 12th? EDIT, or friday? the 11th? for some drawing, i'll try and get hold of porgy and pupil and some other people about, kyle for example, maybe see if DeeJ and Bronco are about to speak about animation and 3D modelling.
-B-

I definately cant make it tomorrow, and maybe not saturday either, i'll let you know. Where abouts? and are you gonna be meeting in the day or evening?

[mrdigs]

that's only about a tenner a year more than what i pay (if i got my sums right)...for an extra 380mb ?! aaagh !

looks like i'll be switching when it comes up for renewal in that case - i'm about half way thru my 20mb already...

[Quicksilver]

£30 for 20MB a year? Ouch, sounds a bit much. I've got 250MB under my domain name which is under a 2-year contract. Think it would usually cost about £12 for the two years, but my friend/host let me off for one of my speed paintings. :)

Btw, does anyone want me to bring in some banh bao to the Cardiff meet? Should have some BBQ pork by then. Omg those ones are so lush...

[cartoonfox]

A little tip, choose the american ones, they're all half price!

Anyway, Any Londoner's heard about this?
http://gamecareerfair.com/

It might be interesting. Me and Adam are planning to go, anyone else likley to go?

Peace

[sleep]

seriously though... from my limited experience, mac is by far the better OS, a million times better even if you're in the field of art/gfx design. most professionals that have been in the field for a good few years know that art+creativity=mac and boring database administration and gay stuff like that is usually reserved for windows... the only thing that's stopped me from getting a mac is that i'm not sure how easy it is to pirate software on macs.. im a bit too young and jobless to be affording photoshop+flash+dreamweaver...

naomi: do bring your food, whatever it may be... i'm looking forward to it

cai: sure.. if its october then i'll come

[[void]]

I'm hoping that there will be some networking possiblities there, i'm not sure what the format will be but i'll be making business cards and assembling a portfolio for october.

But enough of the tech geekery im sure there are reasons for pc and mac existing, this is not meant to spark further debate.

[cartoonfox]

MAC'z RULE!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH

[sleep]

i have to say, today i was sitting on a balcony in a flat above a bunch of trees.. and it started raining heavily.. and the effect on the trees is that random leaves just flick every few seconds and its quite interesting.. do any of you notice any weird/cool things in nature like that?

okay, it's not that interesting but it's better than shouting 'mac'z rule' in size 8 font

[cartoonfox]

Lol, you SO quoted me to find the size! (Size 7 is actualy the biggest you can get)

[glynn james]

Window's vista... hahahahahahahahaahha oh god,,, hahahahahahahah

... bwahahahahahahahahahah..haaaaaaaa hahahahahahahahahahaha...

he....heh....heheh........ ....hehehahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha

oh man i can't stop...

Hey at least they are trying for once! I'm all for Microsoft giving PC designers a kick up the ass with "accelerated curves" and "purposeful contrasts"

(i.e "a shade of black called Obsidian and a translucent white dubbed Ice")

[Quicksilver]

i have to say, today i was sitting on a balcony in a flat above a bunch of trees.. and it started raining heavily.. and the effect on the trees is that random leaves just flick every few seconds and its quite interesting.. do any of you notice any weird/cool things in nature like that?

okay, it's not that interesting but it's better than shouting 'mac'z rule' in size 8 font
Hehe, yup, like how light shines on clouds or water trinkles off leaves or how people and animals move. They're small things, but still significant, imo. Also, such details can bring life into your Art. :)

[sketchling]

The thing I enjoy most about painting is the fact that it enhances just 'looking' I find I get distracted by things like that all the time. Its why im rather glad im not driving.... I crashed into the back of someone cause I got distracted by a particularly pretty set of clouds over table mountain back home..... eeek. (the other time I crashed was midway through the thought 'what a beautiful morning this is!!!....SMACK!)

I like driving.

[Dirty C]

This is all getting a bit trivial. Koshime, tell us about the NHS again and how you killed that guy that time!

[lefran]

anyone else effected or going to be effected by this plane terrorist plot? im supposed to be flying to San Fransisco next friday , i planned on taking my sketchbook on board with pencils and pens etc as itll be a long flight, but i cant now , your only allowed things like a wallet , travel documents and a pair of glasses, no liquids, electrical. Im supposed to be going from heathrow too, (worst affected so far)

I hope the inflight films are good...

[asoir]

Gah, me too lefran, lmao inflight films...
Going to Florida, 2 weeks in 20 days...

[Dirty C]

don't take air canada, kids. two films, on those faraway screens, and both complete shit.

ba is the best bet, they've got loads of films.

damn, though, i can't even finish a conversation without starting to scribble..

[koshime]

is lipstick considered an aessential .if so you can lipstick graffitti the toilet walls with Lefran was Here

[Quicksilver]

is lipstick considered an aessential .if so you can lipstick graffitti the toilet walls with Lefran was Here
...and use eyeliner for the finer details ;)

CA, helping you beat the system.

[sleep]

i'm lucky i didn't book my flight to poland two days later.. or i wouldn't be here..

what do you guys think should be done about the situation? apparently all of the terrorists up for this new plot were british born+bred... the government is trying to be all touchy and sympathetic to the muslims so as not to alienate them.. bloody ridiculous when thousands of lives are at stake..

[lefran]

haha, i could try it! they might think im gonna try to blow them up with lipstick though...


plus thats a waste of perfectly good makeup haha- eyeliner is precious!

edit: tie- at the end of the day, i think whatever is necessary should be done, if it means no one is allowed to take any handluggage on at all thats fine by me at the end of the day, id rather be alive . it makes you wonder why those terrorists would want to attack their own country though as they have UK citizen ships, many of the arrested people were born in this country too

[Kian]

Thats an ultra delicate situation tie. If we are to live in truly a first world free country, then we must accept (to a degree) all the cultures within the country as fair as each other. We cannot risk segregating muslims. As increased segregation will only breed more terrorism. The only way is communication. Either that, or all out war. Civil war.
...And I live in Bradford, so I know first hand.

[Quicksilver]

There's a thread about it in the Lounge:
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=74567

The thread starter's a complete idiot. Someone smack him already...

It's defo important for everyone to co-operate with the airline's restrictions for their own safety, even if it is inconvenient. People bitching about it are just wasting air.

[Midnight]

Kian's right - communication is the only way to progress.

[asoir]

There's a thread about it in the Lounge:
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=74567

The thread starter's a complete idiot. Someone smack him already...

It's defo important for everyone to co-operate with the airline's restrictions for their own safety, even if it is inconvenient. People bitching about it are just wasting air.
Yeah, but...no DS's :(

[[void]]

I thought exactly the same thing when i read that thread, he was actually saying he'd rather save a couple of bucks than spend them and have a little less chance of dying.

I really don't understand what people think they will achieve by committing these sort of acts or their reasons behind it, if anyone would like to clue in ignorant old me that would be well....enlightening.

[yAdam]

Hey, does anyone know of some problem going on with imageshack, the imagehosting or photobucket? Just today I noticed a blurry image of mine on CA, then I checked my site and they were all blurry too... Deleted all the images and started to upload again, but they're blurry as well! I thought it could be something to do with the sizes, but some are as small as 150kb so that can't be the issue... and photobucket resizes my images even though it says it wont if its under 1mb.....

Anyone know what might be going on, or of any other reliable hosts?

[sleep]

sorry mid- and asgardian, i totally disagree. what you are saying is the equivalent of "oh, if the jews just knew how to talk to the germans...". we've tried 'communication'{whatever that is}, and what do we get? more foiled bomb plots. the fringe of the muslim society which is extremist is not going to bend to polite persuasion or kindness, and neither are those trying to help them... what you're saying now is exactly what the government have been spouting for ages and that's got us nowhere.

there is much more the government can do than just communication

[Molly]

There's a thread about it in the Lounge:
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=74567

The thread starter's a complete idiot. Someone smack him already...

It's defo important for everyone to co-operate with the airline's restrictions for their own safety, even if it is inconvenient. People bitching about it are just wasting air.


Yaa! One comment of his did my fucking head in, so closed the thread.
I HATE when members start threads like that. Esp when its something that is so serious, and will change our country in all.

What a little fucking shit. Closing that thread made my day just that eeny-weeny bit better...

Mx

[Dirty C]

Sigh. Bluemech is being a cock.

I saw Fuerza Bruta at the Roundhouse in Camden last night. GO AND SEE IT.

[cartoonfox]

sorry mid- and asgardian, i totally disagree. what you are saying is the equivalent of "oh, if the jews just knew how to talk to the germans...". we've tried 'communication'{whatever that is}, and what do we get? more foiled bomb plots. the fringe of the muslim society which is extremist is not going to bend to polite persuasion or kindness, and neither are those trying to help them... what you're saying now is exactly what the government have been spouting for ages and that's got us nowhere.

there is much more the government can do than just communication

Watch what you say, the Muslim community are NOT bomb-making terrorists, in fact what I hate most about those dudes making bombs and shit is that it puts a bad name and a stereotype on Muslims as a whole, which is like saying Germans are nazi's, it's pathetic.

[Kian]

Tie, you have no idea what goes on without the public's knowledge. There is communcation AND action going on this very second. All so that we the public can live in blissful ignorance.
If you don't agree with communication, whats your alternative?

[sleep]

cai, i did watch what i said, you just didn't read it..i didn't say the whole muslim community were bomb making terrorists. and for the record, i didn't say all germans were nazis either. but at the time of WW2, the vast majority of german germans {not germans of jewish descent} supported the nazis, and there was little opposition until the last years of the war.

but that's not implying that the majority of muslims are in support of terrorism. what i'm saying is that, you could not convince the nazi supporters by reaching out, and you can not do that here either. the minority that do need reaching out to won't be changed. i quite clearly said the fringe of muslim society.

edit: kian, i said there was much more we could do than just communication. i didn't say that communication is COMPLETELY void

[MoP]

tie: Like Kian said, what's your alternative? I'm not seeing your better ideas yet...

Molly: Pro thread-closing there, that guy was a muppet... good job :)

[sleep]

understand that there are three main things that breed terrorism

1. the political climate that breeds anger and frustration & alienation
2. the clerics and propaganda that convert this frustration into extremism
3. the training camps that turn these extremists into active terrorists

backwards working is the way to do it... first we should get pakistan out of denial and tell them that they have to cooperate, and then close all the training camps there. {of the q'ran schools there.. apparently around 10% are terrorist training camps}.. just tackling all of the training facilities, so that even if there were extremists, they could not get training and could not bomb anyone.
this could be done fairly quickly

then comes the next step.. fight extremist propaganda in the west. deport all extremist clerics that preach hate.. but at the same time, support & communicate to all moderate muslims, help them integrate into western society
this could take months.. years

the last step would be changing the political climate that breeds the frustration.. the grievances of the islamic world. and that is the situation in the middle east..
this will take years. half a century if we're lucky...

there is much more to be done than just communication.

[MoP]

Everyone vote tie for prime minister, he's got it all sorted out! And it's so simple!

[sleep]

Everyone vote tie for prime minister, he's got it all sorted out! And it's so simple!

and of course, the most complex way of sorting it would be "the only way forward is communication"

[Kian]

Lets continue the "simple" logic in its ultimate extremity. World wide nuclear war. There is no simpler way of destroying your enemy.

I'll choose the long complex way if ya dont mind.

And Tie, you do realise you simply agreed with everything we all stated anyway. Each one of your points would only be achieved with communication. When you say the Government's being all soft and touchy, they are trying to carry out the very things you've stated.

EDIT: Just plugging a great site. www.chomskytorrents.org

[Dirty C]

oh, chomsky's doing torrents? great.

tie. what you're saying is basically true. but nothing is ever that simple. you'll see more and more attempts just like those to fix the world in your lifetime, and every one of them will lead back to this situation. it doesn't mean we stop trying, it just means there's never genuinely an end to anything.

still portfolioing...

[sleep]

..chomskys a great linguist and a thoughtful guy but for politics.. nah. it's like going to a florist if you want to get your shoes fixed.

kian.. saying that i was describing communication is a moot point, because everything is a form of communication if you really want to argue. bombing lebanon is israel's form of communcating that it does not approve of hezbollah.

dc. yes of course, we've never solved any problems. we still live in caves. progress only comes from trying

[Kian]

I would really like to know where you receive your political ideologies tie.
One thing's for certain, Chomsky has spent almost his whole life studying and researching politics around the world for decades. If I am to contemplate anybody's plan for a safe future, it's his.
He also knows one thing for sure, we are all hypocrites.

[sleep]

if a guy worked his whole life in a lab analyzing the chemical components of food, that is not to say he is a great cook.. that is chomsky to politics..

and about being hypocrites: speak for yourself :P

[Dirty C]

Tie.

Be quiet now.

Ok, that was a little harsh :)

This just isn't the place to have protracted ideological debates. Another internet-based community I was on was destroyed because of a gun-loving, Bush-voting American idiot. I'd sooner not have this thread dissolve into what are essentially unverifiable ideologisms, which is what's happening.

So can we please keep it away from those areas? At least in any protracted sense.

I thank you.

[Kian]

DC's right. We could debate all day and night, doesn't mean anyone's gonna do anything, in REAL life. And real life, is what matters.

....and conceptart

[lefran]

Ok WHICH ARE BETTER MACS OR PC


i rather that debate

[sleep]

ok.. ok.. sorry kian. i think. no, i kid. i dont want this thread to turn into that either, but the british minority on ca probably wouldnt be able to keep a thread in the lounge on this subject without those darn yanks getting in the way.. its just something i wanted to know the british opinion on :)

just because we're not changing anything by talking doesn't mean we shouldn't be allowed to talk.. the internet is as real as anything. just because we have to type what we think, doesn't make it any less valid...

macs quite obviously won that debate, fran. now, to-may-to or to-mar-to..?

[[void]]

SO............who likes ice cream, I like vanilla.

[cartoonfox]

I like pie, how 'bout you?

[MoP]

I've got some apple crumble in the fridge!

[Quicksilver]

Cookies!! Much wub <3

So Mollz, think you could make the Cardiff meet? Haven't heard from ya, dudette. Also, cheers for shutting that arsehole up in the Lounge :D

[Dirty C]

Apple crumble??? Damn you. That's one of the best desserts in the world! Well, fruit crumbles of all varieties. And banana fritters. Mmmmm, banana fritters :)

Tie, your opinions were never particulalry out of line in any way, I just wanted to stop things before it got that way. I'm glad nobody in here thinks 'bah, why don't we just deport all the muslims' and it was a fairly intelligent debate. Just not quite the place for any more serious than it already was.

And yeah, I purposely put the clause about art-related stuff in there cause I still wanted to be able to rant about macs hahaha

[[void]]

Vanilla ice cream with apple pie or apple crumble is most excellent!


I might be able to make the cardiff meet now youve reminded me actually, we'll see how it pans out.

Edit: what does rhubarb count as? I hope to god its not a fruit! You can never tell with these things, theys tricky.

[yAdam]

I dont know whether you guys totally missed my question in between the heat of the debate!.. or you unanimously decided to ignore me :(

Should make cardiff, depending on how beat up I get on the saturday... and i'm pretty sure rhubarb is a vegetable...?

[[void]]

Thank god!

Oh and yeah sometimes i get the same thing i have no idea how to deal with it, i just said fuck it and uploaded it anyway.

[sleep]

stop right there.


if you think i rant about politics, don't even get me started on pies. rhubarb crumble... with cream :upset: it's too much for me to think about right now..

on a serious note...
i got some bridgman books a while ago.. and they're quite useful.. but i feel that before i tackle those, i'd rather i tried loomis' stuff.. it starts off easier and with proportions, and goes into more depth about anatomy {at least the parts that matter for me atm}... i'm making a real effort to get through his books {starting with the figures one} but i'd like a few tips on how to 'approach' it.. how much drawing i should do for every page, what i should write down, where i should start.. some of the diagrams at the start, for instance, like drawing in relation the horizon and perspective, are not what i want to learn at the moment, i'd like to tackle anatomy before perspective and foreshortening, but i'm not sure if this is correct..

yeah.. well.. any help?

[Kian]

One thing I do in my SB's is put an asterix and a very offensive comment to myself next to it if the drawing doesnt work out. Seriously.

Dynamic anatomy by hogarth seems to make everything click for me somehow. The anatomy in the book, is far from medically acurate, however, the principles really have helped me out. Ive read the thing about three or four times now.

[Dirty C]

yeah, hogarth was the one for me.

Tie, I think the way to approach it isn't to look at it on a page-by-page basis. you want to read through the whole thing, practice bits of it and go through the whole thing. don't try to memorise the whole book or whatever, and don't be too hard on yourself. you'll find that you'll remember maybe half a dozen things. later on, you'll pick up the book again and remember a whole bunch more bits and pieces.

i view these books as a long term investment in learning. it's always worth picking them up and learning something new from them. don't forget, it took these guys a lifetime to learn what they wrote down, so don't stress too much about getting it all in one read-through :)

having said that, i wish my copies weren't in storage :'(

[sleep]

i'm assuming that hogarth has more than one book.. if so, which book should i get first..? thanks for your help btw :yayca:

[Crane]

HOGARTH dun dun dun HOGARTH dun dun dun HOGARTH

I've got Dynamic anatomy and Dynamic figure drawing, which i think is the best starting combo, you can learn where everything goes, then see how it looks on the outside, or practice figure drawing, if you get confused look it up in the anatomy book, really helps alot, amazing books.
If you can, get the revised and expanded edition of D.Anatomy, more art, etc8)

[Kian]

HOGARTH dun dun dun HOGARTH dun dun dun HOGARTH


Yeah, but done well??? Lets see ;)

Tie: Just like madcat said, dynamic figure drawing. Theres a pdf of that somewhere. But I think youll have to buy the Dynamic anatomy one. In fact, I prefer reading a book thats in my hands.

[sleep]

thanks very much kian, dc and madcat :)

dynamic anatomy revised etc (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0823015521/202-1762639-8151016?v=glance&n=266239&s=gateway&v=glance)

that's the right one, yes? only, could someone tell me which version of dynamic figure drawing to get? there's this one (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0823015750/202-1762639-8151016?v=glance&n=266239&s=gateway&v=glance) {which seems to be the old, hardcover} and this one (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0823015777/202-1762639-8151016?v=glance&n=266239&s=gateway&v=glance) {which looks like a paperback and a new cover}

[Kian]

Thats the one man. Get it first. Dynamic figure drawing is great accompaniment to it.

[sketchling]

would the opposite of 'things going pear shaped' be 'things going apple shaped'??

[Crane]

:blahblah: Yep, thats it, best anatomy book i have, good value, lots of pages and great drawings and text. get it fool!

[Badger]

Sherry trifle FTW
-B-

[Molly]

Cookies!! Much wub <3

So Mollz, think you could make the Cardiff meet? Haven't heard from ya, dudette. Also, cheers for shutting that arsehole up in the Lounge :D

Hey Girl, is the Cardiff meet end of August? If so, its my birthday then, and the monster party we we're supposed to have has been moved to Fri 25th, then im supposed to be off to Norwich on the 26th...damn:(

Mx

EDIT: I love Ben & Jerrys Chocolate Fudge Brownie

[Dirty C]

Hey Girl, is the Cardiff meet end of August? If so, its my birthday then, and the monster party we we're supposed to have has been moved to Fri 25th, then im supposed to be off to Norwich on the 26th...damn:(

Mx

EDIT: I love Ben & Jerrys Chocolate Fudge Brownie

I am having trouble not replying to this post.

[Quicksilver]

Hey Girl, is the Cardiff meet end of August? If so, its my birthday then, and the monster party we we're supposed to have has been moved to Fri 25th, then im supposed to be off to Norwich on the 26th...damn:(

Mx

EDIT: I love Ben & Jerrys Chocolate Fudge Brownie
The details are linked in my sig. Glad to hear the monster party's still goin' on! :D

[sleep]

and in case anybody doesn't remember...

this (http://community.livejournal.com/ca_uk) is the alternative if you want to get info on the uk meets.. i still update it..

naomi, any info on buses to cardiff for us londoners..?

[asoir]

Would love to go but can't make it, next time folks =)

edit- ok, this is my last cool link of the day ;P

famster.com (http://famster.com)

sign up, guys! we could make a kinda CA group on it...i think.
its got some great features, not sure how compatible with the UK it is however.
peace!

[Dirty C]

Erk, not sure about that.

I mean, some people already call me Uncle C. The thought of more people doing it is, quite frankly, disturbing.

[Quicksilver]

so it looks like a cardiff meet next! cardiff being the capital of wales, that is... more info when it comes.
Lol. You missed out a few people btw (Kim, Chris/Eriboss, poss. both Adams).

You guys catching a train or bus here?
Train: http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/ <----£54-£132 RETURN
Coach: http://www.megabus.com/uk/ <----£7 RETURN (atm, prices tend to change). Only catch is that you'd have to leave early (7:15pm is the latest ride back)

Edit: What was that, Uncle C? :P

[Hybridstar]

Back from a 5 day excursion to dartmoor. Scouting possible studio and gallery locations. What an awesome place, felt like i'd really come home. What topped it off was that Ali(my better half) ended up chatting to Alan Lee(the alan lee!!!!!) while he was tending to his front garden. Most surreal moment ever, jelous as a bugger but hell, it was her birthday. Things have gone a tad awry around here of late. What gives?

[Quicksilver]

Wow, Alan Lee!!! That's so, so cool. Damn, I'm jealous! xD

Edit: Btw, I've invited a couple of my friends and my sis (watch it, Chris ¬_¬) to the Cardiff meet. All cool with that? I don't have any of their work to show though.

[MoP]

Yeargh... I'd love to be able to make it, but I'd rather not have to leave so early as the Megabus does... but it'd probably be too expensive to get the train, since my girlfriend (Tully on these forums) would be coming too.

So unless I find a way to get cheap-ass train tickets, it's looking unlikely :(

We'll be at the next London meet though!

[sleep]

:O eek naomi, now i can see why the turnout is dropping. pricey bugger.. bus it'll have to be. and that means i'll have to leave early ..oh well. i owe it to you and fran seeing as you've come down to london each time. much love!!

i didn't know where cardiff was until you guys said at the first meet i went to. i thought it was in scotland or something.. i imagined the capital of wales to be gyydrrdwdhrr.. anything like that

[Quicksilver]

Yeah, guys, how many times have me and Fran have to get up at 4-5am to meet up with you guys and still arrive earlier than others, eh? ¬____¬

[Dirty C]

As many times as we can get away with it, I believe :P

Ok guys. I've got a vast amount of stuff potentially going into the portfolio. Any help you can be whittling it down would be extermely appreciated. THe format is just, go to the site and tell me which ones you think I should ditch. That seems to be easier than inclusion. Any other suggestions are also welcome.

Tis here: http://toeslikefingers.com/portfolio/index.html

Thanks!
DC

[Kian]

Feels like the friggin lottery. But 22, 30, 13, 20, 4, 9 are the ones to go for me.

[Dirty C]

Jesus, you're kidding. *bangs head against wall*

*edit: Do bear in mind the criteria includes that there must be drawings from observation etc. It's not just a straight 'which ones look the coolest'. And damn, I obviously have even more of a talent for killing pieces than I knew. The ones you found are pretty much universally those which have a lot more work in them than the others (except for hamlet).*

This is never going to be simple.

[Hybridstar]

I have 03,04,08,09,22,26 to go. You thinking of applying somewhere dc?. The prospective job would determine your portfolio choices.

[yAdam]

Hmm, dont know if I was being too critical for some.. but:

30, 26, 25, 22, 16, 11, 12 ,13, 18, 7 ,6

27 is my favourite piece in there.

One thing I thought going through was there was a lack of real envronments, as in, buildings/structures/landscapes.

-----

! Hopefully it wont be as expensive for me to get to cardiff. Theres a small chance I could drive, but I dont know if I could be bothered... Also, if I get the train then I will have to get the 21:30 train back, 'cause there are only two trains after that and they both take over 7 hours!!!

[Dirty C]

The CA school, dude. I'm not keen to jump straight into the industry just yet, as I don' thave a good process. Also, I'd rather just be a tons better artist than somenoe with the right job title. The requirements are at the top of that page.

[Kian]

Yeah I understand that man. I think most of my choices were digitally based ones.
And yeah you want to get some enviros going.

[Dirty C]

I've only got a day or two. Short of painting over something sketchling's done, I've got bugger all chance of doing any pure environment work that won't just make me look shit.

[Kian]

a day or two?? you got an interview going or what?
All I'm saying is the images I chose do more harm keeping them in than taking them out. Regardless how long they took. I base my decisions on your level of skill average, then simply decide which falls below average. Nothing to do with coolest designs or whatever.

[Dirty C]

I'm not doubting you, dude, I know you're definitely making the best decision you can. It's never easy paring your own work down, especially when half the people almost universally pick one thing as their favourite and the other half say you should ditch that one. That's what always happens sadly.

No interview, but I need to get it to them quickly - Carl basically said 'a week is cool, but don't take too long' and that was last week :S

The tough thing is that it's looking like all the stressing I did in the last three or four weeks was for nothing. Essentially, all the work I've done in that period has made everyone's 'don't send it' list.

The problem is, I know I needed to improve some things between then and now. And apparently all I've done is make things worse.

You can begin to see why this whole thign has been somewhat stressful..

[Molly]

As many times as we can get away with it, I believe :P

Ok guys. I've got a vast amount of stuff potentially going into the portfolio. Any help you can be whittling it down would be extermely appreciated. THe format is just, go to the site and tell me which ones you think I should ditch. That seems to be easier than inclusion. Any other suggestions are also welcome.

Tis here: http://toeslikefingers.com/portfolio/index.html

Thanks!
DC

How are you submitting your portfolio? Via Web?...
(off to look thru ur website)

Mx

[Hybridstar]

Whats wrong with 20 and 30 kian? 30 has some great texture work and good gesture and 20, although the posture is a little off is painted well. Good luck christian, you'll get in no worries. Must be like getting into your no1 choice uni all over again. All i can recommend is more stuff from life, your anatomy is looking pretty good, gesture is the key i reckon. It's like preaching to the converted coz you know your shit dude, i'd just spend a little more time doing some "subway sketching". Just capture the essence of a pose without any detail. Rapid stuff. Let me know how the ca school works out.

[Mr Man]

Hmmm, might be able to make it. What exactly will we be doing just chilling or going to a museum or somat?

[Kian]

I chose 20 simply because I prefer the skeleto-muscular sketch of 11 over it.
And 30 because although I agree, there's great texture, the forms and masses don't read half as good as the majority of the work. And in my (not much I know) experience, form always wins over texture. I am being as honest as I can be here. Looking at it from an employers POV.

[sketchling]

DC: Damn thats hard dude.... what I can say is that 7, 10, 4, 15, 16, 24 and 27 should 100% be in. They show ya at your best. Good luck choosing from the rest, cause they are all good, but those are my favorites. (id have chosen 04 as well, but being a straight portrait, the others have more power.)

:)K
P.S. Im not too sure 1 or 3 should go in...they seem out of place to me in a portfolio. Good luck!!!

[Quicksilver]

Hmmm, might be able to make it. What exactly will we be doing just chilling or going to a museum or somat?
I'm guessing just chilling and drawing. I haven't checked out the museum yet (can't remember where it is, lol), but I'm not sure if it would be open anyway, as we'll be meeting up on a Sunday.

Christian: You keeping a tally on these numbers? :P
Methinks 4, 9, 11 (you've already got the same model in the same angle in your portfolio - no point showing it again), 19, 22 (maybe you could crop it, 'cause the lil' guy's great - it's the big guy which is letting it down, imo) and 26.

*KEEEEEEEP* 6, 7, 8, 14 (marked as 01 for some reason), 15 and 24.

Defo churn out an enviro or two if ya can.

Best of luck :)

[Dirty C]

A few of you have said 4. That's one of those in my sb that gets regular 'best thing you've done' comments, and also i definitely need some stuff from life. So, I think I'll keep that one, though it seems against the flow.

The bot and tank thing is a bit frustrating, cause while it's not that great as a pic, it's also the most complete piece of design I've done. So it's hard for me to yank that out, cause nothing else is that complete.

Damn, I just can't see me finishing this befoer the weekend - wish I didn't have this sodding job.

As for definitely getting in - I genui9nely have no idea what my chances are at all. No idea who else is applying. Don't forget, they may well be people who don't post..

[Hybridstar]

What do you do for a job at the moment dc? cant you pull a sicky for a couple of days.

[Dirty C]

Dude, I did that on Friday. It ended up *costing* me time, as I slowly murdered the paintings I was working on. Right now I just wanna jam it in their mail slot, run away and hide.

[Dirty C]

Christ, you lot are going to be happy when I've finished this, aren't you? hahaha - first round's on me in Cardiff, ok?

[lefran]

well there is the museum there, and apparently a nice art gallery. i thought it was fun in st james park, maybe we could do something like that - and kim if i remember ill bring a frisbee hehe

heres a site with random stuff thats i n cardiff
http://www.visitcardiff.com/To-do-and-see.html

[Kian]

youll be fine DC. I realise that doesnt take the pressure off. But we're all confident in your abilities man.

[sketchling]

Ah... I didnt realise 4 was from life :) Then definitly include it. Its not the execution of that one which made me not choose it, it was mainly the fact that a portrait from yer head has less impact than some of the other pics... from life thats just awsome dude. :) Yer gonna blow em away I say.

[RES]

Dam i just thought you guys were in cardiff this weekend,,, my little heart skiped a beat in joy (I'm there this weeked) then I looked and found it was the 3 of sep :( boo

[Dirty C]

Right, guys. It's done. You can all breathe again without fear of me jumping down your throats and murderizing ya.

Here's what I sent: http://toeslikefingers.com/portfolio/index.html

Major major thanks go to Adam, Eri, Naomi and Cai, as well as Erilaz in Australia. I'd be street pizza if it weren't for your support over the past week or two.

Now I just need to relax and try not to worry about whether it comes through or not :S

[Quicksilver]

You're welcome, Chris. Glad it's all done now. ^_^

No, wait, you're still fiddling with the colours, hehe.

[cartoonfox]

Hey good luck dude, I'll be rooting for you!


Peace

[Eriboss]

yeah good luck dood, congrats on getting it off. you do realise also, I havent seen you on msn since i tried to send you that picture like 2 days ago and it crashed your messenger. I have been sat here, just.... just waiting for you to return, I havent been able to sleep because of the guilt hehe.

In other news, I have some cool magaziney related newz, but its all a bit hush hush now so I will tell all when i'm allowed hehe

Cheers

Eri

[Dirty C]

Tease.

[sleep]

:cheerleader: gooo dc.

hang on, if you get into the school, does that mean you won't be coming to the uk meets for a while? :sadcheerleader: ohh well. best of luck-- in fact no, best of skill.

schedule for cardiff meet: sit down and eat naomi's homemade food.. eheh

[Dirty C]

Naomi, I can't find that link you sent with what's on in Cardiff. Can you edit the 3.0 thread and put it in there maybe?

Thanks
UC.

[[void]]

That my friend is one fucking killer portfolio! You kept all my favourites woo! It hurts my ego to look at........best of luck dude not that you need it. Glad I could be of assistance.

[sleep]

...:party:

[sleep]

whahey, post 5000 :) sorry guys, had to.

edit, to make it worth it: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/London_%2C_Kodachrome_by_Chalmers_Butterfield.jpg

asoir linked to that in the lounge.. if it hasn't been shown in this topic already, it ought to. quite amazing..

[cartoonfox]

Had to

[sleep]

yeah well look at the post above it ;)

[Quicksilver]

Naomi, I can't find that link you sent with what's on in Cardiff. Can you edit the 3.0 thread and put it in there maybe?

Thanks
UC.
Buh? I updated 3. ages ago and it's been in my sig since. IN BOLD. :P

So yeah, the plan so far is to sit and eat my food whilst drawing, haha, and maybe frisbee if Fran has one. The exhibs around don't look greeeaat and I've no idea where they are. ^_^;

Hope you get through to MB school, Christian! You must pass on the knowledge to those of us who aren't American citizens!! Yeeesss....[rubs hands together]

[yAdam]

Christian, its an awesome portfolio, good luck!! Just wondering what made you not include the guy in the diving mask? Not saying you should have, but I thought it was a really quality piece...

Sitting/eating/drawing/frisbee sounds good to me! Also, i'll bring my diabolo along and entertain you all with that for 10 minutes..