United Kingdom

[james]

kevin and perry go large was on the other night. just thought i'd put that in there.

i myself can't afford to go on another holiday. so florence is out of the question pour moi. how very vexing.

[Alcian]

If everyone who is going to the italy workshop takes someone in their luggage, then twice as many of us can go.
I know, my ability at maths even scares me at time.

[koshime]

well so far, i'm planning to go for the florence trip unless its next to my exam..at which point..ah well, you guys will enjoy it for me. but the last european workshop was sooo good, staying in athe CA hostel. its was absolutely mad to the point i took ill the last few days *hehe*

[Quicksilver]

Heeeeeeey guys guys guys! Isn't the Italy workshop in Rome? Via BA, return flights to Rome are only £55 :) Defo affordable.

How much do hostels usually cost for a week? 'Cause I wanna stay there for longer than the 4 days of the WS 'cause it'd be stingey otherwise, hehe.

Alcian: There's nothing wrong with meeting people from the 'net if you get along with them. We're all cool here, and the UK meets are great :) You should stop by sometime, dude.

Dan: ......Weh? (:P)

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Yeah im pretty much a definite for florence, finally! So many workshops so little money.

I call being inside the plane! Who wants to be my luggage?

[Alcian]

I thought it was florence, I can't remember where i read that. A return to florence is about £120-£150,gawd.
I want to make a meet, Im ''staying'' in london anyway over august if my summer plans workout so that'll makes things easier if there's a meet then.

[Quicksilver]

Quoted from the end of the Montreal Workshop Curriculum: (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=819739&postcount=1)
Time to say goodbye!!
See you in ROME!!!
Rome has loads of museums and the like, so I guess it'd make sense. Plus it's easier to get there directly, unlike Florence. I've never been anywhere in Europe so I don't mind anyway. <-----wants to buy a leather bag in Italy. Thye're bound to be cheaper there. One of the girls in high school had a stunning one but she got it from Greece. Grrrrrr...

Chris: Lol! That vid rules xD

[lefran]

aaah chris that animation rocks ^___^

[Kian]

aaah chris that animation rocks ^___^

Indeed, ultra cool screenplay, as in the transistion into each chapter. Very cool

[DazWatford]

Hi Guys :D

I know I've not posted here for a while, but I'm gonna be in and around London between the 25th-29th of June (our college has a stand at the DandAD Show)

I just wondered if there's any plans for a London Meet around that time? Or if any of the students here are gonna be at the DandAD show too?

[Quicksilver]

What's DandAD? ^_^'

So far we haven't planned anything since a few of the regs are whisking off to Montreal for the workshop. 25th and 26th are birthday dates for me (sis's fiancé and my bro) so I probably can't make those dates.

Dunno, is anyone up for a London meet? If so then I'll prolly only go for the day as cash is looking a bit tight atm. Otherwise, there should be a Cardiff meet later this summer. :P

Also, is anyone still interested in going somplace further up and rural for a drawing session with nature? 'Cause my other sis's fiancé offered to hire a minibus and take us so long as we chip in for the hiring fee (about £5 each if 17 of us go). Give us a shout if you'd like to go, and if you have any places to suggest that'd be cool.

[sketchling]

rome? damn. Iv already been there. Still, there aint no shortage of history and ill know my way around at least :) That basilica is absolutly mindblowing. Though it did somewhat nuke what little respect I had for the papal catholic church... talk about political and money oriented!!! jeeez.

[koshime]

hmmm , we can organise our own florence trip ya know....

[lefran]

sorry- off topic but....



yeeeeeess!!! ive finished all my exams! im free for summer now (unless they demand im in work all the time ¬_¬)

had 2 media exams today, werent that bad!

also another off the point point, but does anyone know what the weather on the weekend is gonna be like? apparently theres going to be thunder and lightning, im having a bbq for my birthday on sunday ( birthday on the 12th tho)....



aaaanyway

[Quicksilver]

hmmm , we can organise our own florence trip ya know....
That would be so cool if I could afford it. :nohope: Looks like I might have to get a new PC 'cause my bro hasn't a clue what the hell went on with mine, and he knows his stuff. o_O So apparently it'll cost roughly £400 to buy parts for him to build a new one for me. Kinda trying to save more than that for the workshop...

Fran: Yay! The results day is on 17th Aug, btw. I asked Carys the other day. Dunno about the weather, soz. Hope it stays like this 'cause I'll be going to the beach on Monday again! ^_____^ Shame I can't make your BBQ. I'll hand ya your pressie the next time I see you.

[DannySketch]

yer just out of curiosity how much exactly do these workshop trips come to?

EDIT:also, i envy u Fran!still got two media exams to come *frowns*

[yAdam]

I think, for the 4 days its £300... I rekon with accommodation, food and flying etc. its probably around £600?..Not sure about flight prices to italy though... Never been to a workshop, but i'm pretty sure its worth the money :)

[Kian]

dam thats alot of cash. Maybe if I train my stomach to sustain me on as little food as possible, i'll be ok. Good news is, I'm a featherweight drinker, so i can get shit-faced on a quid.

[DannySketch]

hmmm i heard it was close to about £1000 if ur a heavy drinker, mind i think that might have been dollars actually which would work out cheaper of course, meh i'll just get working on them street corners:$

[Quicksilver]

Boowaahahahaha, I don't drink :D But I do shop, soooo....:rolleyes:

I'm guessing the ws fee is between £250-£300 (ouch), flights vary depending on when you're flying (let's say anything up to £200) and I haven't a clue what the prices are like for food and hostels there. Do we cook our own stuff or will we be eating out all the time? 'Cause I can't go out without having breakfast!

[sketchling]

yo ppl :) Ya probably already seen this, but wow...what a learning resource. amazing! Gonna send this to my university for all those starving learners like I was!!!

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53517

[Kian]

Yeah man, its a truly awesome thread. Quite possibly the most helpful on CA me thinks

[Saimon]

'Cause I can't go out without having breakfast!

Hostels usually provide breakfast and dinners, although usually at an added price and theyre a bit shit...

Eating and drinking out in Rome tend to be a little bit pricey in some areas (over 5 quid for a glass of coke once >:| ) but that was by the Spanish steps... If I go Im going to spend all my drink money on Italian ice cream, god its good stuff.

Shame its not Florence, its a lot cheaper and the Duomo is the most beautiful building ever made...

[DazWatford]

@ Quicksilver: (Soz, for the slow reply :D )

DandAD is some kind of graduate showcase exhibition, most of the colleges in the country will have a stand there. Although, I've only discovered recently that it's more geared towards advertising and graphics, than concept art and illustration.

Hope that helps?

[koshime]

Yup. D&AD is a design/ industrial design led exhibition. The only exhiit of potential interest is if they have the transpor category there

[Quicksilver]

Daz&Chee: Aaahhh k. Cheers for clearing that up for me. :)

Si: Ah, bum. Better than nothing, I guess. £5 for coke? Ouch.

Thanks for the link, Kim! :D

[Saimon]

I claim UK BBQ season officially open!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v160/SimVicious/Concept/IMG_2313.jpg

[lefran]

hahaha- im having a bbq tomorrow for my birthday ,i have all friends coming but naomi cant make it :(

[Quicksilver]

Aye, it's too far away and I wouldn't be able to make it back in time to go to the beach the following morning >__<; Hope you have fun, Fran.

[Quicksilver]

HAPPY 17TH BIRTHDAY, FRAN!! :D :cheerleader:

Hope you enjoy yourself, dahrl. ^_^

[lefran]

Thanks :D

is there going to be a meet sooooooooooon? i want to meet up again- whilst the weather is nice we can sit outside.....or in a pub i know we cant tear u lot away from precious liquids

[Dirty C]

Happy birthday Fran :)

Montreal is cool - spent tonight dancing by myself with 200 gay men haha

[DavidCousens]

Happy Birthday Fran!

Chris: Just another day at the office huh? ;)

[Quicksilver]

Fran: Aye, another meet would be cool. Let's wait until the guys are back from Montreal though, eh? :)

Chris: Lol! Did you pull? You know you've got pictures/numbers.....:P

[lefran]

i didnt realise they were there so yeah might help if they werent lol

[sketchling]

Its the scar DC. Those men? thay were there for YOU. P.S. No pictures please.

and HAPPY17thBIRTHDAYFRAN!

[yAdam]

Happy Birthday fran!!! Yeah. there needs to be another meet over summer.. it won't be hot forever.

[Molly]

~HAPPY BIRTHDAY FRAN LUV!!!!

Sorry if this is late!

And yes, a meet over Summer before the heat goes is a very good idea!!!

DC - 200 gay men? you lucky sod...i wouldnt mind dancing wit 200 gay men..i mean c'mon, they cant be all THAT bad eh? HANG ON, when you say 200 gay men, do you mean the attendees at the workshop (hahahaa) or in a real gay bar?? Just checking....

Mx

[Eriboss]

happy birthday Franigan! You can have your present later oooerrr :B

[james]

Happy Birthday Fran!

yeah, i am well up for a meet. i have no other life so i live for the uk meets. honestly i do. ask badger.

J

[Alcian]

I would rather go to Florence than Rome

[Badger]

Rome is not certain, Jason has said himself, they keep talking about Italy, but so soon after this one i don't think they'll be in a huge rush. I think we should chill about the workshop untill it's a bit closer to being announced.

James does always go on about meets, speaking of which, me and him met up with Lorenzo last week, from studio blink twice, they have a thread in finally finished. Really nice guy, i think i might have to have a go at comics after that.

-B-

[Molly]

I'd love a proper UK workshop...If not organised by MB, then the folks from this here UK forum. We tried last year, and it went ok...but I'd like a proper one, wher we gets SummerPud, Matt Dixon, Posh, Duddle, Sketchling and so man more to demo and critique work. Theres so much bloody talent here...

Seriously.The CA.org/MB workshop will never come to the UK because its so expensive here. So, I thinks WE should talk/ discuss it here.

DC, Sketchling and myself have spoken about this ENOUGH times, so it is really an idea that needs fruition...

Well, heres to the dreams that can come true :vodka2:

Mx

[Kian]

Me and sketchling could sort out the enviro side?

[james]

oooh do it. i want to leeearn some.

J

[yAdam]

It would be great to have a Uk workshop! How did it go last time? How was it organised, and how much did it cost? Also, what kind of scale are we talking about here? Would it only be Uk people or open to anyone? Not saying it shouldn't, but it would have to be 2 or 3 days for it to be worth people making the trip....or maybe people would come for a day..

Would having it either in the next few months, before the next MB workshop, or after, maybe at the start of 2007 (?) be best because of everyone going to the MB workshop...?

Just throwing out some questions :)

[Alcian]

Aww, what a great idea.

[Molly]

Im chatting proper.

No other bull shit. UK all the way.

C'mon. IMO we dont need the rockstar shit. We are English as English can be. Our skill and personality show for more than anything else.

Its been preying on our minds for ages. And, Well. I dont think we need any outside help. We have the contacts right here. In front of us as we speak.

I'd have the w/s up nerth somewhere. THats my opinion. As for enviro's, Kim and Kian have dibs on that. Characters etc Spud, Matt, Duds, Posh DC; vehicles: Koshime, Warhead, Weird shit: Eri, Badger DC, myself ...

LOOK. Theres plenty of us fuckers to pull this off. We're or I'M NOT asking for pros only. I'm asking for people to volunteer their time to demo the work THEY have done, and whatever else maybe useful to us. Half you lot are working in the industry in SOme way, many you lot do this in ur spare time.

Please dont think this is a rant. Well. Yeah ok it is, but SummerPud - you'd like to demo more and give ur side of shit eh? Kim - you have the skills and knowledge; DC lets go on the other side, the more abstract trippy shit;
None of this licky arse crap. Proper sit down demo out and get feed back shit. Our way. UK-styleee.

It annoys the hell outta me, that theres this 'clique' within CA.org - c'mon, you know so!- because all the talent thats out there, is in HERE. We dont need all that bull shit. I want ALL your thoughts, your ideas

WE fucking own this Sketchgroup Forum....


Mx

[Kian]

Fukin ell I feel like avin a fight!

Totally agree with ya Molly.

[DannySketch]

HOT DAM!get me whatever Molly's been drinking and a frickin union jack!

hell i am well up for this, i know my role, and shall support best i can in terms of getting art students there to fund it and that jazz, seriously ive been waiting for summet like this to happen for AGES and would love to help anyway i can, cause dam it would be hot.
:yayca:
peace

[Badger]

I'm in

[sketchling]

hahaha. Yes, we do own this sketchgroup forum :D Well, Id do demos till kingdom come (iv learned a sick amount since the last one) and its usually getting me to shut up thats the problem...but I have to admit my weakest point is organisation. (and logical point-by-point thinking...hence the randomness in the demos. :D )

so yeah. How about a weekend. somewhere. Maybe midlands...somewhere where the duddlebugs, dixons and puds are close by...so they dont have to go so far, havin families and all. Anyone got any advice? where would be a cheap place to make a semi-workshop? People... suggest! :D

[yAdam]

I couldnt think of what to type in on google to search for venues, so all I came up with are like conference rooms and places that kind of look ok, except they probably wouldnt suit something like this....I tried looking for warehouse type places, but couldnt find anything...

Here's one of the more decent links to rooms/buildings.. It might not be what we're looking for at all, but its a start at least...

http://www.conferences-uk.org.uk/Conference_Venues_Midlands.asp

[koshime]

well - London or a Motel out in the countryside perhaps....

[Kian]

I guess first thing would be making sure all the artists are definitley up for it. Sort out a venue. Then maybe look into sponsorship and marketing. Don't suppose there's any businessmen around here??

[Quicksilver]

Ooooo I sense a might plan brewing!! To think all this was goin' on while I was drawing/paddling at the beach, eh?

I'm defo up for a UK workshop. Maybe not in London 'cause it's expensive there. Dunno anyone into marketing. I have a possible link but they're a bit stingey and unorganised/unreliable, so I don't really want to go there. Er, no idea what I could do to help....

Wow, it would be so amazing though.....yeah, bring it on! :D

[koshime]

Well - it should be somewhere where we can do "plein air" activities eg. hiking + outdoors/ ruins/ castles... sketching + conference room abilities +/- ability to locate local nude models.

Areas outside Greater london like kent/surrey are possibilities

A nice one is lake District but this time of the year....it'll be solidly booked out

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Woah, this shit might actually happen!? Hell yeah im up for it!

I really liking the idea of doing plein air stuff and life drawing.

I'm defo up for a UK workshop. Maybe not in London 'cause it's expensive there.


And YOU watch it missy! London is um.......................good! :wink:

[WARHEAD]

HELL YEAH ! :bomb:

I've been thinkin about this for a while, why we haven't done a big UK one.....We have awesome UK talent who do cool stuff, but not postin on the UK thread like Andrew Ley, posh, Monsieur dixon..... who can kick some ass....

....and this is the UK....come on bring it on !!!! :moon: hehe

ps Molly bambino long time no hear !!! :P

pps HAPPY BIRTHDAY LE FRAN !!!! :cheerleader: :vodka2: :party:

[Quicksilver]

...i think i might have to have a go at comics after that.

-B-
Ooooo yay!! :D I used to draw them all the time, hehe. Aaahh the days. Might get back into comics again sometime.


And YOU watch it missy! London is um.......................good! ;)
Hehe, didn't say it wasn't ;) Just damn expensive for us Welsh folk to make our way there!

[Kian]

Ok guys and girls. Just a reminder to keep everything grounded. I know you all know this, but there's so much that would go into the planning, organisation and execution of a workshop. We'd have to get some kinda of idea of a target market, schools? Uni's?, and make sure that they would cover the cost comfortably.
Also, don't forget, the big gun's are usually very busy people. Matt, Aly, Dudd's, Pete, work their asses off all week.
There has to be a main organiser. Maybe contact Layil and Jason for some tips on what it would take. We're obviously not going to their level. But I think it would foolish not to ask them for help.
This is a discussion that will last for a while.

Remember! TOO MANY COOKS SPOIL THE BROTH

(post 1000 ;))

[Quicksilver]

Nicely said, Jon, and congrats on the 1k post hit :cheerleader: How's the LMS TD going?

[Matt Dixon]

...and remember that being 'pro' doesn't necessarily make someone a confident, capable or enthusiastic teacher; that's a very particular skill in it's own right and I'm not sure if there's much to learn from simply watching someone paint unless they fully understand their own process and have the ability to articulate it clearly. That counts me out for a start.

Kian's absolutely right. I imagine this sort of thing could easily turn into a weekender if it wasn't properly organised and scheduled.

[lefran]

thanks warhead!

I agree with Naomi- maybe not london its too expensive! koshime- you suggested countryside- im sure that would be much more interesting for environments and also much cheaper, it cost a lot for us Welshies to get to london as naomi said

I really like this idea, in meets, ive learnt so much just from people telling me something for like 5 minutes, its really made a difference to the way i approach things now!
Im definately gonna come!!

[DannySketch]

not wanting to get my wires crossed but i think i over heard hybridstar saying he hosts and teaches sum life drawing classes when we were at the bristol meet?never seen any of his stuff but might be one to contact for that side of it?

peace

[Hybridstar]

Firstly happy birthday fran, not been on the boards for a while.

And yeah, thanks for remembering the classes. A big uk gathering would be great, i can source several different models my end as well as a number of pretty great venues. Will have that sketchbook thread up very soon, in the final stages of a roleplay project.

Later

[sketchling]

yeah, MATT has a very very good point. I found it very hard to articulate what I was doing when I painted...partly because I constantly change how I paint, partly cause I tend to do simple painting and every technical photo manip trick in photoshop I can in alternating breaths. Without much structure. :D BUT, Even if the artist dosnt say anything ( yeah, whatever!) There is always something to learn from it... and certainly much inspiration to be gained from it.

From my experience its more about meeting and talking to people. The social aspect with sketchbooks has always been the best factor for me.

Besides, the last time a group decided to do there own autonamous sponsored workshops like this that I am aware of...the ringleader was BANNED from CA.org for it. Guy from sweden. Jason just banned him straight. Guess it makes business sence as they have their own workshops, but it still sucks.

I recon something thats social, about exchanging ideas and some demo/discussions. Nothing tooooooo teacher/pupil. I just would love the chance to meet some a the guys up country!

[Saimon]

I can recommend it to my uni in Hull, Im sure theyd be up for the publicity.

We're having our entire building remade and should have access to plenty of materials as noone ever freaking uses it. Also there are a couple of cheap hotels around the city which'll be empty cos noone wants to come to hull. Not only that but its a short train journey out into the country plus theres some really interesting buildings in the city itself.

The only problem is that itd have to be around about october...and its in Hull

[koshime]

errr. I used to live in sheffield/ doncaster and hull for 7 years whilst as a doctor in training. Wild horses coudlnt elicit me to travel up to hull again....maybe its the grey decor of the esturary and the over run chav towns of Bransholme, Sutton and the next to dead fair grounds town of Grimsby....

And in my next act, i might probably insult all thegood folk living between midlands and yorkshire but.... in terms of natural rural beauty vs chavlism over run towns

Perhaps a middle ground town like Medevial Chester or York or the rural far out towns of Linconshire....the fact is the North unless you go further than Sheffield/Leeds is pretty much chavlite and ex mining towns, the midlands itself has nothing much in terms of outdoors beauty...whereas if you head diagonally for example , north West - Buxton (beautiful rural village/town/countryside park), North East (linconshire), Cumbria, Edinburgh and the Glens above, or far south West, to Lands end in Tintagel, Devon, North Wales, Cornwall or South East in Kent,Surrey

[koshime]

I think , taking a middle groudn appraoch we'd probably want to make this a Social Exchange and Joint Exploratory Arts commune (i.e not quite a workshop, but more than a meet with access to conference facilities, whilst still sitting out in a pub, shopping mall, country stall or beachside) get together to stimulate a vibrant cooking pot of talent in places we've not been or explored before

[yAdam]

I think thats a good idea koshime....

[Saimon]

Aye, really cant blame you for not wanting to go back to hull. Iv only been there 2 years and i despise it already. York and Kent are good choices. York has some fantastic 'ye olde' buildings and Kent has some of the best country pubs anywhere

[sketchling]

I saw an article in the paper that rated HULL as the single worst place to live in the world. Encouraging. No. 1 out of 20. Voted by readers. (Might have been on a website news feed)

[koshime]

I be interested to see what venues hybridstar can suggest/offer as well

[Saimon]

I saw an article in the paper that rated HULL as the single worst place to live in the world. Encouraging. No. 1 out of 20. Voted by readers. (Might have been on a website news feed)

Yeah I think I mentioned it some point earlier on in this thread...

but yeah other than the Kent Institute of Art and Design (which is based in Chatham, official birthplace of the chav) it was the only contact/opportunity thing i could have offered up. Woo Ive lived in some shitholes, i'm originally from Liverpool too :[

[james]

york is a great idea. the mintser alone offers some amazing drawage, not to mention the walls and suchlike. its a great place.

can't make any judgement of kent. but really not hull. please god no.

[Hybridstar]

Depends on what everyone wants to do. I run my classes at two venues in salisbury down in wiltshire. If you wanted to do a little life drawing initially and then head out to do some location drawing?. There are a ton of pubs in the area, some nice ones out in the country, then there are places like the cathedral, avebury stones, stonehenge(little dull). Several castles around about, an open air sculpture park, some gorgeous landscapes in the wyle valley and cranbourne chase.Oxford would be sweet, bath a good venue too. Any of that sound ok? the souths got a helluva lot to offer, but york sounds cool. Devon or cornwall would be ace too, exmoor and dartmoor. Maybe we could pop in and say hi to alan lee!;)


We could check in advance with local art groups for models working in the area and sort out a venue to do some drawing.

[Saimon]

but...but Hulls home to such wonders as;

Englands smallest window,
http://www.eyorks.com/hullpub/interior/georgex1.jpg

The Deep, the worlds only submarium, (an aquarium that goes down as opposed to sideways, buh?)

and the Humber bridge *gasp* its so big


ooh Salisburys good, if I remember correctly. Some very good pubs about.

[Alcian]

Im wondering how a uni would kinda react to the idea of having a meet/workshop there - im sure they would want something out of it. Considering the way they have gone with uni societies now - they want everything on paper and money.
I was thinking about surrey uni - but apparently they are shrinking their art department.

Although London is curreently not a hot idea - it does have a load of parks, monuments, architecture and free museums and galleries. Who knows - maybe an after hours sketching session could be organised with one of them. Just encourage everyone to take their own lunch. :P

[lefran]

koshime North Wales

I vote north wales! its pretty!

[james]

oxford would be great. especially for those who like environments. there are loads of architectural gems there, and then the countryside around oxford is immense, and i could do some research into models there. i used to get life drawing at school so i could find out where they were from and my mum used to organise life drawing a few years ago so i could talk to her too.

thinking about uni's oxford uni itself might be helpful although i doubt it, oxford brookes would probably be better to approach and there's oxford and cherwell college which might be a good source of people/venues etc.

just throwing it out there. i know the positioning isnt great for the people up north.

J

[koshime]

Whilst I would vote North wales as a no 1 place to go, accesibility to north Wales is hard even with modern transportation. Imagine ifthey kept theEnglish at bay for so long ..they still are.....

Oh. And most of the accomadations are booked out :)

[Matt Dixon]

...the fact is the North unless you go further than Sheffield/Leeds is pretty much chavlite and ex mining towns, the midlands itself has nothing much in terms of outdoors beauty...
Arsehole.

Acknowledging the fact that people living in those parts of the world might be mildly offended by that line hardly excuses such a gigantic and, crucially, completely erroneous generalisation.

Apart from anything else, surely the 'outdoors' is implicitly beautiful? There's just as much inspiration to be found in an industrial landscape as there is in any of our national parks. Exactly where you go shouldn't matter a shit.

[lefran]

what about that place i stayed in before- theres like 20 houses that sleep....4 in each and about 2 sleep 6?

Yeah i agree with accessability, but if you think about it theres the huge train station in llanfairpwllgwyn blah blah, there are towns like caernafon motorways etc, and there are local buses that go to villages. Naomi also suggested her sister's fiance would drive a mini bus. Train to newport- all get on mini bus? well its a suggestion

plus i can communicate with the locals for you haha theyre hard enough to understand when they speak english

[DannySketch]

hmmmmmm spidey sense tingling *senses this idea fizzling out and dieing unless sum1 who is very serious about it and has the ability takes charge* sigh, please dont let this wonderful and fantastic idea die people, the orginal idea that molly put foreward is point blank not gonna be possible unless artists with such abilities as pudd, dixion etc. jump on board i can see this simply turning into a very ugly argument at the moment>:| seriously i have much <3 for each and every one of u guys and ur abilities and im pretty much saying all this cause im a selfish bastard who wants ur abilities past down to me, please, let this thing happen?Matt i really dont wanna sound out of line cause i have nothing but respect for u but i refuse to believe there's not a shit load of stuff i can learn from even just seeing you work. its alot to ask, and its a chance but MB wouldnt have happened if a bunch of oober talented people didnt take a chance...

meh but what do i know

[lefran]

i realy dont care where it is , i was just suggesting somewhere, i think the most top ppl need to arrange it like you said or it wont get done. Ill just go wherever

[Badger]

Ok so my first post went down with the uni network, so i'll have to type it again, if it doesn't have the same amount of tact, i'm sorry.

Jon I don't think we are talking a big open workshop, merely a CA gathering like last time, and to be honest i learnt a lot from last time. Also this would take pressure off the instructors. More of a community thing, with a bit of money for the life models. I could be wrong though.

Matt Dixon of doom and associated cottages Though your point is completely true in many respects i disagree on a the point that not much can be learnt from simply watching. I learnt a lot from HPX and Alexsi, who barely spoke in their demos, they simply created. Seeing their techniques and the processes that go into creating art work so efficiently. Same can easily be said for coro's gun workshop, which i'm sure the rest of the prague crowd would agree. A similar break through to when the minute mile was achieved, i saw it could be done.

I think this is going to be a london effort as we know each other and are quite comfortable to say 'get out of bed you lazy arse' to each other.

Just my 2 pennies

-B-

[sketchling]

hehe :) Good points badj :) I also learned a lot from HPX and that gun demo.

Right... just found something thats a bit of a gold mine. A post by fred flickstone of links to one of his teachers tutorials, with the second post being a response from spooge demon saying everyone should be able to recite the tutorial by heart(apparently spooge was taught by vilppu as well?!). Anyone not know spooge demon's real name?* Well here is the link... its rather good. Focussed on animation, but nobody creates characters with emotion from life like an animator. or spooge. READ IT. ITS GOLD.

here she be:
http://forums.sijun.com/viewtopic.php?p=76496

*A man to respect...if he says learn it, I learn it. :D (doubtful? have yer own looksee: www.goodbrush.com)

[Saimon]

Cheers for those Sketchling, theyre damn useful

[Quicksilver]

Tbh, I don't know if I want to go as far as North Wales, or anywhere too rural. It's really not my thing :S Can't stand countrysides for too long. I hardly know any of the places shouted out so I'll trust you guys if you say they're good, then when we get round to finalising on a couple I'll look'em up and chuck in my thoughts. Good? Lazy? Mleh.

Cheers for the links, Kim. Pete-lington gave me a little nudge to goodbrush.com a little while back. A-m-a-z-i-n-g stuff.

And yeah, that offer with the minibus is still up. Cheers for noting, Fran. :)

[yAdam]

I'm with naomi, I dont really know any of the places that have been mentioned, but I don't really mind where... as long as its not so out there we all have to sleep in tents..

[Kian]

Josh, I totally get ya man. It's just that I'm trying to understand whos actually going to be there, and what it actually is? Coz right now, I'm lost.

[koshime]

Curious Kian, you dont happen to be at the Art College in huddersfield are ya. I once had the opportunity to see some stuff come out of their transport industrial design course for a D&AD competetion. Good illustration stuff from the mentor who managed to present all the portfolios in a professional style!

[Kian]

erm not the art college no, the university considers transport design in the "creative technologies". As a result, the illustration and presentation of ideas so far has been incredibly sub par. Its something that honestly, angers me. When I started the course I was already better at rendering than the guy "teaching". Also already better than him at 3dsmax! Thing about it is, this guy graduated just last year and got a 2.1. Which tells me my creativity has a chance of not even scraping its potential. I'm truly having to grit my teeth at the mo. Doesn't help that I've been offered a permanent position at a studio. My head's a bin right now. Uber confused

[Quicksilver]

...Which tells me my creativity has a chance of not even scraping its potential...
:( How many years in uni do you have left?

Been workin' on my granmother's portrait in oils for the past 4-5ish hours. It's okaaaay but looking a bit dull atm. I'm working from a scan of a really old negative, so there's hardly any detail (or colour!) to work from. :S;; Still, should be alright. I'll take a pic once I've touched up the face a little.

[Kian]

2 more years at the beginning of september. :( I'll be ok though. just gotta grit my teeth. It should give me a chance to develop my skills i guess.

[MoP]

When I started the course I was already better at rendering than the guy "teaching". Also already better than him at 3dsmax!

Heh, same boat. I'm on a 4-year "Computer Arts" degree up in Dundee, and I'm pretty sure I have a better idea of what's going on in the current "computer arts" industry than 90% of the teachers. They seem to live under rocks for the most part.

Even if you've been offered a job at a studio now, I wouldn't bother going for it. Having a degree in a couple of years will be more worth it in the long run than jumping ship now and starting at a place which might not turn out that well (although you never know).

For example in 1st year here, I went to work for a company as a 3d artist for 3 months over the summer, when university was about to start again they offered me the chance to stay on instead, which was tempting, but then not 2 years later, the studio went bust. Didn't seem like it was going that way at the time I was there, either. Just sayin' ;)

As it turns out, I'm jumping out now (after 3 years) with a BA... if I stayed another year I'd end up with a BA(Hons) but IMHO it's just not worth the time, expense and frustration... anyway, I wanna be out there working on real projects, not paying other people to tell me what to do. Especially when the stuff they tell me to do is 90% likely to be useless in the real world.

Oh, and yeah, UK CA.org meet soon sounds good! I might even be able to make it this time, whenever it is... now that I have no real commitments for the next little while :)

[DannySketch]

When I started the course I was already better at rendering than the guy "teaching". Also already better than him at 3dsmax! Thing about it is, this guy graduated just last year and got a 2.1.

MWHA! see?being too talented can bite u in the ass sumtimes;) nah seriously man that does suck, i mean i know its no where near as bad but i had to go through a levels with with art teachers that i could draw better than!i mean just look at the stuff from the start of my sketchbook!How the hell do u get a job as an art teacher if u cant draw better than that?!meh feel for u man, sucks hardcore, but two more years of practice and ur gonna be oober.:perv:

[Dirty C]

Hello everyone. Still in Montreal, heading to New York tomorrow.

I don't have time to go through absolutely everything in here, but it does seem as though you're all in a bit of a hurry to sort things out. These things are serious and take time, and get sorted out by one or two people taking it seriously and sorting things out. In the past, I organised the first mini workshop (most of you weren't around then) and Molly organised the second. The truth is, the democratic nature of this thread may make it less than ideal unless somebody takes the bull by the horns and looks into it.

My personal feeling is that the Midlands is a great idea, as it's literally the middle of the country and therefore the most accessible, as opposed to a place which is physically far from nearly everywhere. Also, most of our local professionals live in that area, and frankly I'd love to meet Matt, Duddlebug, Posh etc and see old friends like RES again. Even after i WASTE him in the Tdome ;)

With that in mind, is there actually anyone in the Midlands who knows of a likely venue? I guess we'd want it for a weekend in early August.

[Hybridstar]

Hey sketchling, thanks for the link. Remember seeing a couple of those online a while ago and deciding to pick up a copy of the drawing manual. Needless to say it never happened, but your post reminded how much of an important part of any artist's book collection it actually is. So decided to get one. Went to the Vilppu studio and tried to order it online but there was some issue with addresses not correseponding! So i sent an e-mail and lo and behold get a reply from Glenn himself. The next thing i know im calling america and chatting with the man himself at home on the phone. Surreal but greaty rewarding.

I agree with DC, this thing is gonna take cracker jack timing wang, and its probably best if one or two people take the lead. Imagine it should be folks from the relevent part of the country.

On a side not, just having a studio built either in timber or concrete. Two large north facing skylights for portrait and figure work. If anybody is ever down our way we could sort out a model and work on some painting. Probably fit 4-5 in the painting studio and then we have our computer studio housing 2 g5 macs and a pc. Just a thought but i wouldnt have thought it will be fully funtioning till jan next year.

[Saimon]

There seems to be a pattern emerging in poor art courses across the country. Im currently doing a BA(Hons) in Games Design and my 'lecturer' didn't know that Nintendo was making another console because he "...doesn't play Nintendo".

Not only that but we haven't been taught anything about creative process or techniques purely being told how to code in Flash and Director, the latter of which isnt used in the industry and is already being phased out of production. If I wanted to code Id have taken a programming course.

Went to the third year degree show and the quality of work is absolutely apalling, I don't feel Ive improved in anyway and I am considering spending another ton of money on another course after Ive finished because I don't feel confident in my skills yet to get a job in the industry.

I've learnt more from these forums in the few months I've been on these forums than the 2 years I've spent at uni. Stay strong fellow students you're not alone :P

[DavidCousens]

There seems to be a pattern emerging in poor art courses across the country. Im currently doing a BA(Hons) in Games Design and my 'lecturer' didn't know that Nintendo was making another console because he "...doesn't play Nintendo".


Christ. Sadly this doesn't shock me. I went to Swindon college's end of year show just to see if the students were receiving better tuition than when I was there (for you new people, Swindon doesn't believe in illustrators using computers!) and not much had changed.

A BA graphics student had chosen an ad campaign fo Budweiser as his final project. Not only did he use the same slogan as the existing campaign, his choice of font was the industry's most reviled "Comic Sans MS"!

My work has come so far since they stopped influencing me...

[Quicksilver]

Sheesh, I'm glad I've been a part of these forums before hitting uni, lol. I'm thinking about going to Bristol but still gotta do more research and looking around yet. It'll cost more to go to England but the courses for Illustration in Wales don't sound too promising, even if it is cheaper here.

Dave: Eeeehh, is the standard that bad in some unis?? :S

I agree with having two or so people organising this if they have the time. It would be so damn awesome if it could be done, esp. this summer as most of us are off anyway.

Btw, I've posted a thread in the Sketches/WIP section if anyone's interested: Portrait (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=70139). If you have time to stop by and add your thoughts it'd be much appreciated. :)

[Saimon]

Dave: Eeeehh, is the standard that bad in some unis?? :S

I'll PM you the link to the portfolio websites each student at my university has to create if you want...

[yAdam]

Well, despite most art based couses being totally rubbish in my opinion going to uni is great, and for about 6 months after I finished I missed it quite a lot. Although now its distant memory even though its only been a year. However bad you tutors might be or however bad the course is, remember that you have the time to figure out what you want to do.. I did computer animation and was pretty sick of it by the third year, and one of my tutors told me about these forums! So if it wasnt for uni I might have never come here, so i'm glad of that.

I dont know what I would do now if I was back at the end of sixth form, but if I knew about conceptart and if I knew how much i'd learn from these forums then staying at home for 3 years, working at my own pace, and ending up with no degree, but better skills, and no debt would have definately been an option for me.

Then again, uni was FUN, and the only thing I really regret is being lazy in the 2nd year..So I rekon, if you choose a course you want, that may not be hard, you still get a decent degree, have time to work on your art, and also have a great time...and then when you're making loadsa money you can easily pay off the debt:)

[Kian]

wow. Glad to know I'm not the only one. Thanks guys.

Question: Can we start another threadin this subforum? Maybe named "UK Events"

[Quicksilver]

Si: Think you've shown me a few of them already. I remember one of them breaking every single rule to good web design :nohope:

Jon: There's one in 3.0 (http://community.conceptart.org/groups/?id=43)

[Saimon]

Ah yes the lime green scroll-a-thon with 100s of ripped animated street-fighter sprites... *shudders*

[sketchling]

man... V3 i too damn complicated. Its entirely putting me off forums. this I can manage, but I havent got time for a million little sub conversations. I think its entirly loosing the point and will lose peoples attention. *rant over*

[DannySketch]

you still get a decent degree, have time to work on your art, and also have a great time...and then when you're making loadsa money you can easily pay off the debt:)

lol exactly the reason i wanna go:teeth:

Also Naomi i dunno if ive told you this before but from what i can see Brighton looks really good, only from what i can see but they seem to put emphasis on actually learning to draw, also i think it was Falmouth's end of year exibition that inpressed me, but the uni life seems to be almost dead there:dad: which put me off it slightly, Bristol does look like the strongest choice so far but i think Badger's starting to get the impression that im stalking him :ninja++:

peace

[Quicksilver]

Dan: Aye, I really need to do more research :dead: I'm not too amazing at juggling too many things at once. Gyaaaaahh...

...Bristol does look like the strongest choice so far but i think Badger's starting to get the impression that im stalking him :ninja++:
Lol

[koshime]

Well. My 2 cents are University give you

1/ important base to develop contacts...contacts ...contacts
2/ time to develop your talents without pressure of work deadlines (which make not be so creative but more menial/client specific in the sense. your client has a specific idea, specific look which can be good/bad)
3/ learn in different areas other than the one you aspire
4/ develop you database of colleagues/friends that might stick with you for your working life
5/ enjoy youth

[Hybridstar]

I echo Koshime's last post. To be perfectly honest unless you study under a teacher/instructor who's work you really admire chances are you wont learn a great deal at uni. Reason why is that if youre keen enough you would have started asking and going about answering the right questions yourself. One thing you will get is time to develop, access to facilities that would otherwise be closed to you and the real gem, learning alongside and from your peers. Contacts made at uni can stand you in good stead, contacts made in the industry, hell even better.

[koshime]

Say hybrid, I might just decide to pop in on your classes/sessions. Where can I find more info, so i can find some free time after work

[Hybridstar]

Be good to have you along Koshime, where are you based?. Currently running two week day classes, one concentrating on nude and clothed set ups, alternating quick one week and long the next. Second general drawing class with still life, portrait and cast drawing. Workshops happen every coupla months and run all day sat or sun or both. Down in salisbury though, bout 1 1/2 hours from london on the train.

[Saimon]

Making contacts isnt too easy when your uni has decided to have its degree show for games design students the same day as E3 the past 2 or so years...having said that I do have the lead animator for King Kong on my msn contacts list (woo massive name drop) thanks to gatecrashing an animation lecture.
But yeah, uni is amazing fun if you just get a load of decent friends. I'm looking at it as a lazy degree at the moment

[MoP]

That's nothing, I actually have King Kong on my MSN contact list.

[Saimon]

touche MoP, touche...

[[void]]

My course is a bit sucky at uni, but most illustration courses are when you wanna do concept art and they keep chucking avant gardism at you trying to get you to experiment with 'mixed media'.

But i wouldn't give uni up for the world.
Its an easy introduction to learning to live away from home.
You get a nice big loan.
You meet so many cool people.
You get the space and time to practise and perfect your art.
You .....well i could go on forever to be honest, it rocks even if your course isnt perfect you have loads of time to do your own stuff.







oh and you can get utterly wankered and sleep in the whole day after.

for those that like that kinda thing.

[sketchling]

Yeah...when I went to varsity, I got frustrated as hell not learning the technical how-to-draw properly and stuff... BUT and this is a big but, I did learn how to think beyond the clishe'd ideas and the hacked concepts. Conceptart will teach ya the technical, thats for sure, but there is SO MUCH clishe'd artwork that doesnt even TRY to break any barriers of origionality.

Mixed media might be a pain, painting newspapers white and drawin dotted lines to represent the conceptual path of a girl comitting suicuide or whatever depressing angsty subject is in vogue with the lecturer... BUT, what would happen if you tried to USE that in concept art? Using mixed media to create a character... stick down newspapers on violence and paint a cute child character with a slight grin... It will tell you a lot about him/her. Charcoal, stick and ink, all that stuff would be GREAT to do characters and environs in. (if yer lucky enough to have the space!!)

What im saying is that it might not be what ya wanna learn, but Uni often has far subtler lessons to teach. Take that boring crap and find a way to use it to improve yer concept art and illustration. (I just wanna get some charcoal now... sigh. need a biger room!)

edit: Think of it as a great chance to have the TIME to learn by yerself. and the people around you to learn with. Enjoy ythe time and learn off conceptart :D I wish id had it!!!!!!

[koshime]

Hybridstar > I work at Chelsea & Westminster Hospital in central London. Have regular meets with Sketchling and Warhead. Have acess to private transport/public to get to salisbury. What days/week/monthly rota of events are lined up for this month/next month. Maybe I can get a few of us to visit after work or weekends

[[void]]

Its funny you should say that, did you see those collage charater concepts for the incredibles. They were in the pixar exhibit a damn cool idea actually.

Thing is i do try to do it and make an effort but its so fucking hard sometimes, especially when your tutor says 'I just know what the end result will be, itll be something youve drawn....'

-_________________-

There was me with my expections of an illustration course. Still next year should be better.

[Hybridstar]

Tuesday night and thursday nights are regular 10 weeks on 3 weeks off. 2 hour sessions, 7-9pm, every two months were planning on a full day saturday figure class and we run workshops throughout the year. Next one is landscape painting in watercolor and gouache, i think. Terms about to end on the evening classes, but you'd probably be more interested in the full day sessions. Just ran a weekend session with tuition and it was tough, 15 people of varying abilities!!!. The future figure weekends will propbably be untutored and tailored more towards intermediate/professional artists who just want access to a model.

Also if youre interested a friend of mine will be running a summer school in the vein of the lavender hill studios classes. Also in salisbury, sight size method. Worth trying but i wouldnt stick with it, a little too rigid for my liking. Here a link to his site. www.sarumstudio.com

[DavidCousens]

1/ important base to develop contacts...contacts ...contacts
2/ time to develop your talents without pressure of work deadlines

Absolutely. Point 2 was one thing that I took away from Swindon. I've NEVER missed a professional deadline because I had enough experience of underestimating them in Uni!

Point 1 is something I should've taken into account though, you need to go somewhere that will get you contacts. It will make things MUCH easier than developing them yourself. Not that it's impossible though, it just takes more work.

Speaking of making contacts, I've just had another batch of my amazing Skull-Kidd card size fridge magnets made, if anyone wants one just email or pm me your address and I'll send you one in the post.

Matt Dixon already has one... :)

[koshime]

RoooooooooNNNNEeeeeey! E2-0!

[koshime]

Hybridstar > I'll probably be interested in your weekend classes. Allows me to drive / take a few peeps into salisbury and I am free every 2 week weekends

[DannySketch]

why do i put myself through it every-fecking-time, come on lads cant we just win one without the drama for once?!?GORGEOUS goal by Gerrard in the end, made up for all his 'ave it' moments and Lennon should SO start in the next match...

[yAdam]

hehe, we get it in tennis too..except henman always looses...But, even though we should easily beat a team like trinidad and tobago, the whole point of the world cup is that the best countries play.. Theres a lot of qualifying matches, so any team thats made it to the last 32 is probably pretty good at football.

Also, I don't know what it is, but I find it really strange about how everyone gets excited by football.. Its great to watch, especially the world cup, but even matches in the premiership are quite good...I don't and never have supported a particular team, but I know people who have and its really weird to see how angry/upset they get if their team does shit...(I do support england btw, but that doesnt really count :))

[koshime]

i dont normally watch football but world cup matches are spectacular sweeden just scored!!

[yAdam]

Yeah! I really like it when the less well known teams play... the japan vs australia match was pretty good!

[Quicksilver]

Aaarrrgghhh World Cup....I reckon the men spending their time watching should hand their credit cards to us women to "look after" ;) Y'know, incase it drops out of their pocket at the pub or something....

[lefran]

i just dont bother at all. And Naomi i like your style :)

[sve]

I'm sorry if my guestion is not very smart one, but iif it's not too much trouble could somebody tell me if the Catwich airport has lockers for passengers luggage. And if they have those, it it possible to find them not occupied? Really need to know this. Thanks in advance.

[Aly Fell]

I'm sorry if my guestion is not very smart one, but iif it's not too much trouble could somebody tell me if the Catwich airport has lockers for passengers luggage. And if they have those, it it possible to find them not occupied? Really need to know this. Thanks in advance.

Hi Sve. Just checked the Gatwick Website and I think you're OK... I quote...

Both terminals have a left baggage facility for storing luggage or belongings for a number of hours or days. All items are security checked. Left baggage offices also offer competitive unaccompanied baggage rates and other services as well as selling luggage and travel accessories.

Charges are £5.50 per item per day (or part thereof).

Opening times:
North Terminal: 06:00-22:00
South Terminal: 24 hours]


Or if in doubt check the FAQ's here: LINK (http://www.gatwickairport.com/portal/controller/dispatcher.jsp?CiID=32fb8f106ad52010VgnVCM10000014 7e120a____&ChID=9c52b65fbe442010VgnVCM100000147e120a____&Ct=B2C_CT_GENERAL&CtID=448c6a4c7f1b0010VgnVCM200000357e120a____&Ch=Left+Baggage&ChPath=Home%5ELGW%5EAirport+Information%5EFlying+i nto+Gatwick%5EArriving+Passengers%5EBaggage%5ELeft +Baggage&ChIDPath=caf397dc2eb12010VgnVCM100000147e120a____^ d4f597dc2eb12010VgnVCM100000147e120a____^6ff697dc2 eb12010VgnVCM100000147e120a____^c231b65fbe442010Vg nVCM100000147e120a____^6891b65fbe442010VgnVCM10000 0147e120a____^24d1b65fbe442010VgnVCM100000147e120a ____^9c52b65fbe442010VgnVCM100000147e120a____)

[sve]

Thank you so much, Poshspice, god , for a great reply, I'm grateful, thanks !!!
Kiss.
Sveta

[Cercie]

Hey guys! I hate to just jump right in here, but I wanted to say hi. Naomi said I should stop by. I'm not a brit by birth(I'm an american but I'm not too crazy [I hope]), but last October I married a brit and moved to Cheltenham, which is a very pretty spa town if you've never been here.

By the way my name's Darylynn or just Dary for short, (lots of people think my name is really Cercie, I've been using it as a handle for more than 10 years so it's so much a part of me as my real name.)

I'd love to go to the next meet. And the bigger gathering sounds great, I'd be all for it if my husband Phill can tag along (he's not an artist, but I love him anyway). I don't have a lot of transportation as I'm dirt poor and can't drive so that kinda kills casual london meets for me, though I'm sure I can work something out.

I like the camaraderie in here, you all seem like good friends.

I hope you all won't mind an american's talk about uni. I'm still techinically a student, though I've taken a year off to move here and live with Phill. Going back to uni in Oregon in September. I think I've learned so much here in the last 3 months about the kind of art that I want to make compared to 4 craptastic years in an art department that wants everyone to paint unintelligable messes or found object art like a bed in a gallery with some projector playing a film on the sheets representing some girls repressed sexuality or some other garbage. I guess art school is what you put into it and up until now I haven't been trying too hard, but I've got one year left for my BA and plan to take things I've learned here and flesh them out in school.

So that's a bit about me, hope I didn't go on too long and you're still paying attention.

As for football I couldn't really care less. Go England, that's all the excitement I've got.

Oh hey, I updated my sketchbook today(yesterday, i'm still awake somehow) *points to link below* -Hint hint- was that subtle enough?

[Kian]

Hi Cercie/Dary. I've chatted to ya on the ol javachat right? Well, heres a big bloody welcome from the UK :) It'd be great for you to come to a future meet. Theres supposed to be a big one soon, so keep an eye out for that.

[Badger]

Sup kids, guess i should break my silence on the University front as i'm actually there. It's great, as cercie says it's what you put into it. It's as much about the place and the people as it is the course, there are guys on my course who do some very, very good stuff, a girl in her 3rd year won the macmillan publising prize. It's not concept art being produced though, it's very much an illustration course with a strong onus on traditional skills. At my foundation i specialised in fine art, illustration and photography, so i love the openess of my course. I get colour theory lessons, i get the option to spend all day in the life room with 2 models, but also you are taught not to narrow down your ideas untill you have looked down all the avenues, last week i had to draw 100 holes, try it, it's harder than you think.

There are a lot of good courses, research well and figure out where you wana go and how expensive places are, the less expensive the more money you have to spend on your own things. There is more to Britain than london.

The downside of football is a small price to pay for this weird spot of nation unity, it's all a little bit more friendly and i for one can't complain. If you really don't like it, go shopping, i bet there is a significant lack of crowds when england play, so it's win win.

Cercie Welcome! madness is almost a prerequisite.

Right everyone, i'm leaving the city and returning to the shire tomorrow, i will then be back with my car and have transport if anything is going on london-wise or anywhere. Jon, we need to do some drinking.

Um... Rant over?
-B-

[Cercie]

Cercie Welcome! madness is almost a prerequisite.



A good thing too 'cause I got madness in spades.

Badger, something you might enjoy, a painting I did for my husband as he loves badgers as well:
http://www.noleftsock.com/digital/littlebadger.jpg

You'll laugh but I think the Badgers from Weebl's Stuff (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/badgers)was the beginning of the cement of our relationship.

Thanks for the welcome Kian, we did chat in the irc channel, you should jump back in there more often.

[Alcian]

Im watching the football, soon a tacky little england flag shall be hanging from my window, yay. ENGLAND!!!!!

[yAdam]

Hello cercie! Good to see more people venture into the Uk thread...

Hey josh, give me a pm or better yet speak to me on messenger if you and james are ever up for drawing or drinking.. (when you're back in oxford..or wherever you live around there) Heres my email..anyone else add it if you ever want to talk to me :bashful: edamb76@hotmail.com

[Quicksilver]

Wheee, welcome to the madness, Dary! :D

Will there be a London meet this summer as well as a Cardiff one? I can defo afford the Cardiff one - maaaybe scrape the London one. It wouln't be too bad if I only went for the day since hardly anyone makes it for the following day anyway.

Whoa, Peel just popped up on my playlist. Haven't heard it since the TD...

Edit: Do you guys think I should change my name to CheeB? There'd be a bit more unity to my online screen names then and it's my new domain name, hehe. Hmmmm....

[MoP]

Quicksilver: IMHO "Quicksilver" is a way better sounding name than "CheeB" :P

Also, looks like I'll be down in London for good as of next month, I just got a job as an environment artist at Splash Damage (http://www.splashdamage.com) ... they're in Bromley, but that means I should have pretty easy access to London proper, which is nice.
Considerably easier than getting there from Dundee, anyway :)

Looking forward to meeting you guys before long!

[Kian]

Well Done MoP!
And yeah Quicksilvers well better Naomi

[koshime]

or even just naomi or namie

[sketchling]

dunno...ask fran if ya can use :lens: 'pink fairy princess ':lens: :D

sorry fran ;) but it is funny :P

[Badger]

Also, looks like I'll be down in London for good as of next month, I just got a job as an environment artist at Splash Damage (http://www.splashdamage.com) ... they're in Bromley,

Say hello to Frankie from me! infact if you are about me, bronco (from polycount) and peppi (from Germany) and Frankie will be going out at some point over the summer.

Quicksilver or 'CheeB'?? come on!! Quicksilver all the way.

-B-

[Kian]

Josh: Mid July bruv! Yeah???

[Quicksilver]

dunno...ask fran if ya can use :lens: 'pink fairy princess ':lens: :D

sorry fran ;) but it is funny :P
Hahahaha, bless :D

Quicksilver wins the vote! Yeah, it sounds cooler - was just checking to see if it would've been worth the switch with the site un'all.

Forgot what else I was gonna say here. D'oh.

[MoP]

Badger: Yep, I know Frankie, Peter, and John - let me know the time and the place and I'll be there :)

[lefran]

shudup ¬_¬

ive had that account since i was 12 or something and i cant be arsed to get a new one coz id have to move all the images and its just too much trouble. is there a way i can change it without creating a new one

[Quicksilver]

Fran: Dunno, don't think you can.

Incase anyone's feeling reminiscent/nostalgic, there's a thread dedicated to oldschool cartoons on my forum: http://www.eternalblade.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=691&st=0
Aaahhhh gotta love YouTube. :P I just posted a load of vids.

Edit: Fran: Bummer :(

[lefran]

oh i have time im going to make a new one and transfer all my art images. Just coz my name was better than yours :P

btw naomi they didnt have any paint pens or electric erasers the bums

[RES]

My spider senses are tingling....

and see old friends like RES again. Even after i WASTE him in the Tdome ;).

You’ll never beat my mighty piece….oh what a minute I better start it then….it’ll be good…..hopefully

[DannySketch]

You’ll never beat my mighty piece….
:x
*pssst i think he likes you....*
:confident

[lefran]

Ok all you nasties *cough* Sketchling*cough* :P ive updated my SB with all new image tags, i have a new account now so shudup

i cant find any anatomy books anywhere people, none in WH Smiths, none in Waterstones in cardiff or cwmbran. Can someone name me a good one and ill get it online

[MoP]

lefran: Give Bridgman a shot. Constructive Anatomy (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0486211045/qid=1150501415/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl/202-0355525-8085454) is good, as is The Human Machine (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0486227073/qid=1150501415/sr=8-8/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i8_xgl/202-0355525-8085454).
If you're feeling nostalgic and spendy, check out eBay to see if they have any copies of Loomis' "Figure Drawing For All It's Worth".

I heard Hale (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0823002977/sr=1-1/qid=1150501536/ref=sr_1_1/202-0355525-8085454?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=books&v=glance) was good too...

There are probably some more I've missed, but after Loomis (which is hard to get other than online, or expensive), Bridgman has been my favourite for anatomy study.

[Quicksilver]

...There are probably some more I've missed, but after Loomis (which is hard to get other than online, or expensive)...
I could always upload them.....:rolleyes: There's a really good one in the college library - I might borrow it again 'cause I didn't really read it propperly last time. Could go through it together or something if you want. I also have Anatomy for the Artist by Sarah Simblet if you wanna flick through that (it's the same one Lou has).

Er....they're taking a bit of an age to upload so it'll have to wait 'til I come back from work ('cause when the laptop goes hibernates it doesnt come back on - d'oh).

[RES]

:x
*pssst i think he likes you....*
:confident
Ha Ha Ha Ha. I thought it sounded a bit dodgy when I wrote it.

So who went to the workshop?
I really whish I could have gone but work and money got in the way:(
How did it compare to the last two?

[lefran]

naomi: would be great ta :)

[Cercie]

Hey lefran, I just sent you a pm with a link to a bunch of books a friend uploaded. Some of the major books are there.

If anyone else wants the link just ask. Cant post it here cause it breaks all sorts of rules. =^)

[koshime]

can i have acess to your cough!! links too *cough ...cough .splutter!

[Molly]

MoP - the Artist anatomy book by Robert Beverly Hale is very good. We've been using this book (and others) during our anatmony classes every friday....

Mx



I heard Hale (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0823002977/sr=1-1/qid=1150501536/ref=sr_1_1/202-0355525-8085454?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=books&v=glance) was good too...

There are probably some more I've missed, but after Loomis (which is hard to get other than online, or expensive), Bridgman has been my favourite for anatomy study.

[Quicksilver]

Me too, Dary, pweaze? :3 I'd get them from Fran but I haven't seen her online yet.

[Cercie]

No problemo!

Done and done.

Enjoy guys.

[Dirty C]

Whoa, Cercie, hit me!

And welcome, by the way :)

Miss you all, btw. Back soon for more hungover drawing sessions, I promise. Kim, I wanna try and do some collabs with you, dude. A lot of that went on in demos in montreal, and it worked really well.

[Hazamataz]

Heyyy all, it's been a while. You all keeping busy?, I hope montreal was as amazing as it sounded like, I'd love to get to the florence/rome meet. And another London meet sounds good, hmm cardiff sounds intruiging too.

Art foundation consumed my life....in the best kind of way. If anyone is considering one...I wholeheartedly recommend it.
I've put up my final project in my sketchbook thread for anyone whose interested.

And i'm off next year to do Animation at The arts institue in Bournemouth, looks like a quality course..."intense" is their key word.

Congrats on the job MoP

[lefran]

i just bought a bridgman anatomy book (thanks MoP- i thought it sounded good) on amazon. was really cheap actually- like...£2.71 new and it totaled to just under £5 including postage not too bad

i also bought an electric eraser , whoevers that was at the last bristol meet i liked it hehe ^__^

[Alcian]

And don't forget Hogarth, he made a huge difference to my art :/

[Hybridstar]

Hey Cercie, a big welcome and a small ah hem! pm of your special joy also please!

Cheers.

Welcome to CA

[RES]

Hello Cercie and welcome.
i'm never around much but i do turn up now and again like a bad penny. Hope your enjoying the UK

[RES]

I’m lonely no here...boo hoo
I never get it, whenever I'm around it’s like a ghost town and when I turn my back the thread move on 5 pages!

As your talking art books have you seen the ones by Glenn vilppu, I borrowed one once from cakeypigdog and it was a good read.

[lefran]

its like busses, theres never one when you need it but then millions turn up at once ^___^

[RES]

See see I turn my back and look what happens.

Did you guys decided if you wanted to do something in the midlands (I would look at the other pages but its late and I’m lazy :) ) As I'm already around here I could come a long. I would have offered to help sort it out but it’s a bit busy at work at the moment, I could lend a small helping hand if some one else gives it a go :)

[Mr Man]

Hey uk peeps, only just noticed this thread today so id thought id join in with you. So when are we guys meeting up? Sorry I cant be assed to look through billions of pages or info :bashful:

Blarg, whenever I sneeze I keep pulling a muscle in my back, its really starting to piss me off. Been walking around like an old man for days.

[Saimon]

Fran: Loomis' stuff is available for fwee at www.fineart.sk its a bitch to read what with it being online but its good if you can't get hold of a copy.

Dunno if its illegal or not as its out of print...hope not cos its its damn useful

[lefran]

thanks :)

[Alcian]

Blarg, whenever I sneeze I keep pulling a muscle in my back, its really starting to piss me off. Been walking around like an old man for days.
Lol, do you have a picture of this. :p

okay, this is a general question, but I might be doing a course in London over the summer. Is there like any really cheap places to stay in London that are relatively safe at the same time? I need some ideas.

[koshime]

how long is the course? And depends if you were looking into hostels or hotels or B&B. The further out you go the cheaper. Holiday Inn might be good

[[void]]

Shit! I got drafted into the last man standing. I didnt think it would actuall happen.

Now ive just got to create my most awesome piece ever and 2 weeks in between work.
No problem. -____________-

[Quicksilver]

Good luck. ^_____^b You'll do fiiiine.

[james]

bonjour les jeunesses. i am in biarritz enjoying the sun sand and surf and loving it. not getting much drawing done but i thought i'd drop by anyway. enjoy england peeps.

J

[Alcian]

Thanks kosh, the course is two weeks :S

[Dirty C]

it's not at the slade is it?

[Alcian]

eh, its might be... yes it is a course there
that sounds bad lol 'its not at the slade...'
how comes?

[sketchling]

... I just cant quite get into my head that nature came up with something like this: http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/resources/james_harding/Carettochelys_insculpta.jpg/medium.jpg

[Quicksilver]

Tell me about it! Same goes for this: http://www.uoguelph.ca/zoology/devobio/210labs/axowhite.gif
Here's a scarier version: http://www.branchesquarterly.com/images/axolotl-RFein700.JPG - Eeeep!

[Hides from Saimon 'cause I beat him to it] :rolleyes:

[yAdam]

Hehe, kinda looks like morph....Great site too, cheers kim!

What is that naomi?.......:x

[Saimon]

Curse you Naomi!!! *waves fist*
Oh well at least you didnt use this picture which is obviously the best...
http://bio.kuleuven.be/endo/fotos/axolotl.JPG
Its soooo happy!

Im still amazed nature came up with this...
http://www.theincrowdvlog.com/incrowdvlog/list/film/images/Sarah%20Jessica%20Parker.jpg

[koshime]

huh? syntax error.

SJP isnt a good specimen for either a Homo Erectus or a freaky creature. i challenge your SJP specimen to fashion accesorize this beauty: http://slogs.shawnwright.com/news/chequers-albino-frog.jpg.

The ultimate cat cut
http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/lioncut1.jpg
http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/lioncut2.jpg

2 heads are better than one
http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/cwith2hd.jpg

Maybe 2 mouths are better?
http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/2mtrout.jpg

More legs make a better swimmer
http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/xpair_frog.jpg

maybe seven is better
http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/7leg-frog.jpg

For laughs, here is a good book cover of reproduction
http://www.allenandunwin.com/images/largeimages/0297852426.jpg

[sketchling]

hahahahaha. Thats like the best book cover...ever.

[Saimon]

I see your multi-limbed freaks and raise you these...
http://paranormal.about.com/b/a/057404.htm
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/oneeyed-cat-no-hoax/2006/01/13/1136956335177.html
...less is better!

[Mr Man]

I feel quite sorry for that kitten, How the hell do you drink and breath without a nose. Poor thing died :(

[Dirty C]

My mate's got that reproduction book. It's hilarious :P

Hahaha and naomi: http://www.uoguelph.ca/zoology/devobio/210labs/axowhite.gif = MANA MANA do dooo do do do MANA MANA!!

Right, just slept off some of the delerium of no sleep for 3 days. Unfortunately I can't find my flatmate and need to sign contracts and transfer £4000 by tomorrow. And I think he's in Berlin and his phone's not working and I lefft mine in San Francisco.

What's going on otherwise?

:)

[koshime]

its wet in SOHO...and italy just won..and the italian mafia are raiding the streets..yelling italia...italia...

[Dirty C]

damn my no tv. who they beat? australia?

[koshime]

yeah. the aussies are outta here.....it was draw..the nitaly got a lucky shot in...

[koshime]

small recap

037: 19 fouls in the first 36 minutes and it's been competitive, which you would expect. Australia are making life tough for Italy and it's very much all to play for.

46: HALF TIME: 0-0Schwarzer made one great stop from wasteful Italy striker Toni but Australia are holding their own.

50: RED CARD A straight red card for Materazzi as he brings down Bresciano. It was a bad tackle but never a red card.

51: It was harsh, no doubt about it but Italy are down to ten men and we have a real game on our hands here. Materazzi's tackle was cynical but he was clearly not the last man. Bresciano has whipped the free kick wide but Italy need all their traditional resolve now.

58: Chipperfield finds space inside the box but his effort is beaten away by Buffon, the crowd are getting behind the Aussies. They're starting to believe they can pull this off.

74: All three starting strikers have been substituted for Italy as Totti comes on for Del Piero.

84: Bresciano curls an effort over the bar from outside the box. It's looking increasingly like it's going to go to extra time in Kaiserslautern.

90: Australia appeal for a handball after Aloisi misses an overhead kick. It comes off Zambrotta's chest really so the ref is right not to give anything.

91: Zambrotta's been booked. Italy are waiting for the final whistle. Six bookings, one sending off so far.

PENALTY! Italy have won a late penalty as Zambrotta has fallen under Grosso's challenge.

94: GOAL! Totti steps up for Italy with the pressure on and scores! Italy are going through!

95: Totti kept his cool to blast the ball wide of Schwarzer and end Australia's hopes. It was perhaps a debatable penalty, it took a brave decision from Cantalejo to give it in injury time.

[Quicksilver]

Hahaha and naomi: http://www.uoguelph.ca/zoology/devobio/210labs/axowhite.gif = MANA MANA do dooo do do do MANA MANA!!

...And I think he's in Berlin and his phone's not working and I lefft mine in San Francisco.
Lol, wha?? D'oh, any chance of getting it back?

Went to the park today - haven't walked/ran about so much in ages!! And it was so, so hot today.

So are we gonna plot a Cardiff meet now that [I think] Christian's back?

[koshime]

give him a week or so to detox... :)

[MoP]

Cardiff meet?! You're all just trying to avoid me! When I'm nowhere near London, everything happens around there, and now when I'm gonna be in spitting distance of the centre, you up sticks and plump for Cardiff! Dammit :)

Anyway, I'll probably be meeting Badger and some folks for drinks at some point. I've finally got a flat pretty much sorted out, as of the end of July I'll be living in Beckenham, right next to the train line to London Bridge. Up until then I'll be in a basement in West Wickham :)

Fun!

[lefran]

Cardiff meet cardiff meet! yay :)
well im busy over the next week now im playing drums for a show every evening so i cant really make it to one in the day if its being planned in the short term. If its after than sorted ^__^

[Quicksilver]

LOL, poor MoP. ^_^; Maybe there will be a London meet this Summer too? [shrugs] What's your name btw? Soz, I might've missed it. My memory's like s sieve...

I'm free to go out any Mon-Wed (bar July 11th and Aug 1st). Those are the only days I have free now! Maybe not Mondays sometimes, as the family tends to do stuff on that day.

[MoP]

I am a Paul. Although a little research would reveal that (does nobody click sig links anymore? :( )

:D

[Dirty C]

Hello!

Yes, I'm definitely back. I haven't moved flat today as I was supposed to, cause it turns out the landlord doesn't technically own the sodding property yet!! GAGH!!

Now, my phone hasn't arrived yet, and my landline's been disconnected. So I'm kinda cut off from the world :(

Anyone in London watching the england match anywhere??

[Kian]

How Could It Fucking Happen Again!!!!!!!!!!aaaarrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh

[koshime]

poor Englun......bai bai Erikkson! Would have loved to see whatTheo could do...

summary:

1/ Beckham fell akwardly in second half - off the pitch
2/ 2 dastardly portugeese tackled rooney, and he retaliated by stamping on one of em in front of the referee, in his privates...resulting in ared card.
3/ Lennon comes on, the game becomes more energetic and passionate
4/ Owen hargreaves is man of the match
5/ nightmare one hour as england dow nto 10 men but battle past extra time into penalty shootouts...
6/ .....too painful to describe but owen bayern munich makes good of a penalty.....

[DavidCousens]

does nobody click sig links anymore? :(
:D

According to the amount of replies in my new sketchbook, I'd say not! ;)

[lefran]

Anatomy book came yday and i picked it up from my dads today! woo ! so i should do some studies, well during the week when im not so busy hehe

[Quicksilver]

I am a Paul. Although a little research would reveal that (does nobody click sig links anymore? :( )

:D
Sorry ^_^;

Nobody seems to read posts anymore either. Twice I've had people ask me something which I stated in my opening post (in my own threads) :S

[trev]

hello, I am not dead ._.

[sketchling]

you should change yer avatar then... hahaha :P undead?

As for sig links, I click em all the time. I enjoy em. Though I HATE the size 33 bold SKETCHBOOK links. Those piss me off so I dont click on em on principle.

[DavidCousens]

Hi guys, I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who stopped by my sketchbook thread and said hi. I actually didn't expect that! Hehe. You guys are the best!

PS. In case any of you missed it on the last page, (I made the mistake of posting before an England game) if any of you want one of my free Skull-Kidd fridge magnets, pm me or email me with your address and I'll get one in the post to you.

[Hybridstar]

Welcome back christian, people have been waiting on your return to sort out a meet. Im well up for one, sketchbook will be packed and primed. Been doing an inordianate amount of teaching lately but at 30 quid an hour i cant complain. Just want to get down to some personal work again and i guess a sketch session with the uk posse is a good place to start. Cardiff might be a bit outta the question but we shall see.:wink:

[Molly]

hello, I am not dead ._.

Me neither....:)

Mx

[Eriboss]

hello, I am not dead ._.

Me neither....:)

Mx

ditto

eri :dead:

[sketchling]

Yay. Tis the ping of pointlessness.

[koshime]

London impromptu meet again then. kim. what do you reckon to some painting at the constable exhibit

[Quicksilver]

London impromptu meet again then. kim. what do you reckon to some painting at the constable exhibit
Wait, do you mean John Constable? Shit, I love his work! Can't find a pic of my fav painting to show you though.

Got an interview for Foundation tomorrow. Eeeeeek!! Typing up a personal statement atm and I don't like my portfolio.

;__;

[sketchling]

yeah. I love that museum. Im keen for that. I can make sunday or sat durin the day... got a braai in the evening on sat.

Lets meet! :D I miss everyone. :D

[MoP]

Whoa, I can actually do this Sunday!
I'm getting the train down to Bromley on Saturday, so I should be available on Sunday at some point... where is this Constable exhibit? And I won't have any paints, but I can bring a sketchbook...
I've never really gone round London before, so I'm liable to get really lost unless someone helps me out :)
I can get to London Bridge tube station very easily, if anyone can direct me from there, I'll try my best to make it! :o

[Mr Man]

Hmm, Id like to go, though I think london is abit of a mission for me. Plus I dont have any paints but ill sketch :D
How many people usually meet up anyway?

[Quicksilver]

In the big ol' London meets there are usually about 12+ people, some come and go. That involves a week or more notice though so people can sort out their money and book tickets.

[koshime]

John Constable: Great Landscapes - Tate Britain
June- 29th August 2006

I do not consider myself at work without I am before a
six-foot canvas
– Constable to John Fisher, 1821

This major exhibition offers the first opportunity to view John Constable's seminal six-foot exhibition canvases together. The 'six-footers' are among the best-known images in British art and comprise the famous series of views on the river Stour, which includes The Hay Wain 1820–1, as well as more expressive later works such as Hadleigh Castle 1829 and Salisbury Cathedral from the Meadows 1831. These paintings lie at the very heart of Constable's achievement and not even in the artist's lifetime were they ever brought together

Constable's decision to start painting six-foot landscapes around 1818–9 marks a significant turning point in his career. He was determined to paint on a larger scale (about six foot by four and a half) both to attract more notice at the Royal Academy exhibitions but also, it seems, to project his ideas about landscape on a scale more in keeping with the achievements of classical landscape painting.

As important as the six-footers themselves was Constable's decision to paint related full-scale preliminary sketches for most of them. These large sketches, with their free and vigorous brushwork were unprecedented at the time and they continue to fascinate artists, scholars and the general public. It has been said that it is this practice more than any other aspect of Constable's work which establishes him as an avant-garde painter, resolved to re-think the demands of his art and to address them in an entirely new way. The exhibition re-unites the full-scale sketches with their corresponding finished pictures in order to explore their role in Constable's working practice.

The exhibition includes nine such pairings and some sixty-five works in total. Highlights will include the bringing together of the six river Stour pictures for the first time, allowing the visitor to appreciate how, as the series progresses, Constable succeeds in developing a single thematic concept – the life of the Suffolk river he had known since boyhood – and gradually invests it with a greater sense of drama, heroic action and narrative weight.

The exhibition is curated by Anne Lyles and Rachel Tant, together with Franklin Kelly at the National Gallery of Art, Washington. It will travel to the National Gallery of Art, Washington, in the autumn of 2006 before opening at the Huntington Library and Art Gallery, San Marino, in early 2007. The exhibition is accompanied by a fully illustrated catalogue published by Tate Publishing.


http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/exhibitions/constable/rooms/default.shtm

Exhibition Hours
Daily, 10.00–17.50 Exhibitions 10.00–17.40 (last admission 17.00)

[Hybridstar]

Count me in, sounds cool.:)

[Dirty C]

I'm free that weekend, AFAIK. Meaning the weekend of the 29th and 30th. I'd also like to try and see the Kandinsky exhibit at the Tate Modern at some stage, though I accept I may be alone in that :) Also there's an exhibition starting at the National Gallery called Rebels & Martyrs which looks to include some pretty awesome talent: http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/rebels_martyrs/default.htm

I realise this is three things, and I don't expect everyone to be interested in all of them, but my personal preference would probably be for the Rebels one above Sargent. But totally willing to bend with the breeze if people wanna go 'oooh' over Sargent's brush strokes :D

So how about that weekend? The 29th and 30th? And does a Sat or Sunday suit people better?

In terms of a bigger workshoppy type meet, I think we're best waiting till the summer has exhausted itself a little. People make a lot of plans in July and August..

[Hybridstar]

Sargent is awesome, "the" master of tone. His brushsrokes are ok but apparently laboured. He scraped back many times and repainted to get the best mark. If youre interested in figurative art it's sargent or zorn and a close 3rd, elvgren. I'm in for either date.:wink:

[Quicksilver]

YES!! I want to see the John Constable exhibition! <3 wub.

I'll wait a bit for more replies before booking the 29th-30th off work.

Fran, you up for it? We could catch the Megabus if you want from Cardiff.

[lefran]

thats a saturday and sunday right? i dont know if ill be able to book it off work, my boss is an arse, even though im owed holidays he wont give it to me i bet. i booked off last saturday and this saturday about 2 months ago and he wouldnt pay me for it. me and my cousin rachel have our cousin lucy's wedding to go to and he wasnt gonna let us have the time off. grrr
i doubt he would let me have the time off. unless i could ask someone to cover for me....ill have to see when im actually in work.

yeah the mega bus doesnt cost much does it? well ill get back to you on that one

[Hybridstar]

Youre entitled to 4 weeks hol fran by law. Tell him that.:)

[Saimon]

*checks cash* yeah iv got some of my student overdraft leftover. Should be able to go. Sargent is a particular fave of mine, love the heavy contrast between light and dark in some of his early stuff. I cant remember off the top of my head what the paintings called but theres an absolutely stunning portrait of a woman where hes able to paint flesh under thin lace beautifully.

[lefran]

i have 5. hes on holidays now for 2 weeks himself so i cant ask for it off. and if i ask when he comes back hell complain for it being short notice. i have 2 weeks booked off in august to go to san fransisco. i booked one off for the week of my birthday and i have another 2 left. soooo i'll see if i can get it off then

[MoP]

I should be able to make it anywhere on the 29th and 30th of this month. AFAIK there's no business that gets in the way of my being there!
Constable is great, but Sargent is one of my favourites... that Rebels & Martyrs one looks to contain some interesting stuff though. I'm up for anything really.

[Alcian]

Ive never like constables work that much, his stuff looks so green... too green
On the other hand Turner's work is amazing :).
lefran, show your boss the Working Time Directive... although that could make him really angry, so yeah... probably best not. ;)

[lefran]

yeah i dont think he likes me as it is, i speak my mind about how shit he is. well not in so few words, but if i come across a problem because of his incompetance ill let him know haha. like he promised to put the rotas up 2 weeks in advance and soon after it went down to them being put up the saturday before the sunday i might have to have worked, so if i cant make it to work on a sunday if hes by off chance contracted me because i have something ihave to attend, im not gonna apologise ! also he took all of our till authority numbers off us without telling us, then said he would put mine back up then didnt! which i told him! grrr i just dont like work its so bad there.

they still dont know that ive been off college for weeks now because if they did know they would contract me every day of the week and theres no chance im doing that. i would quit if i didnt need the money. no one who works there likes it because of how bad it is

[lefran]

Congrats naomi! ill let her tell you ^__^

[Quicksilver]

Fran, that sounds so shit :( Aren't there any other jobs going around your area? And thanks!

Oohh yeah, I got a place in Foundation. ^___^ Figures I didn't need an interview or anything since I'm already a student there (was up 'til 2-3am sorting out my portfolio and personal statement, grrr) and surprisingly the Head of Art was impressed with my work. Also heard one of the staff members have been printing off the stuff from my site. Wtf? o.O

SOooOoo a big sigh of relief from me~

BTW is this Cardiff meet still goin' on?

[koshime]

right. Guess I'll go scout these exhibits on my own for the moment then and give a comparative... :)

[yAdam]

Hey naomi, well done! :) :)

Not sure whether I can make it to the exhibitions, but i'll see. Should be up for a cardiff meet whenever that happens though...

[koshime]

Exellent. Forgot to congrat you namie on your entry to foundation....

[koshime]

dang. the week before my exams...can i send you a hairy gift in lieu?

[Quicksilver]

Thanks Adam and Chee. :)

Molly: Hahaaa, awesome! Doubt I can make it but have fun~~ I had had a fancy dress 'do for my 17th last year at the park. Twas fuuun :D

[DannySketch]

would be good to see u all again for a london meet, count me in.

EDIT:oh dang oh yes and CONGRATS naomi, ha same sorta thing happened with me spent weeks on my portfolio dragged the massive fecking heavy A1 sized thing half way across london, sat down opened it up, she took one look at the first image and said 'well i can see u can draw, lets put this away shall we?' i felt like a right plank.
and happy b-day molly, have fun.

[lefran]

naomi: no theres not i dont think. im lucky to have the one i have. friends of mine have been looking for a year and theres nothing. its such a crap town

molly- unfortunately ( i say unfortunately but thats a lie) im in san Fransisco on a tour with a wind symphonia i play for so i cant come. ( get why i say its a lie ? hehe)

[Hazamataz]

oooh Constable, I once saw a guide talk for about 20 minutes infront of one of his paintings, the like books in paint. All those exhibitions sound good. Just came back from the Tate St Ives and Barbara Hepworth Museum, I was pretty reluctant to go in a see all the "modern art", but I was blown away, some powerful stuff.
Me and a few friends might be interested in coming down.

Well played on the foundation naomi,
"was up 'til 2-3am sorting out my portfolio " is something you might be saying pretty regularly in the foundation year. I'm sure it will be a great year though

[DavidCousens]

Congrats on getting on your foundation course Naomi :)

[lefran]

ok i planned on drawing today. i really did ask jon lol. but my mam woke me up at like 7:50 or something and told me i had to paint the upstairs bathroom. and the paint is crap and doesnt go on smoothly, i had a driving lesson and went down my nans for dinner, and i have until about 6 to finish it...should be enough time...then im playing drums for 'Annie'. jeeeeez why do parents do that grr

[Quicksilver]

Thanks, Dan and Dave. :)
EDIT:oh dang oh yes and CONGRATS naomi, ha same sorta thing happened with me spent weeks on my portfolio dragged the massive fecking heavy A1 sized thing half way across london, sat down opened it up, she took one look at the first image and said 'well i can see u can draw, lets put this away shall we?' i felt like a right plank...
Aaaahhh bummer :S Well, at least you got in, eh? Congrats!

Me and Fran are thinking about taking the Megabus to get to London. I'm not entirely sure how, but they do really cheap bus travels round the UK (and America).

http://www.megabus.com/uk/

So for us to get from Cardiff to London and back (29th-30th Jul) would cost £15.50 instead of £20-£30. Just an example/shout out. :)

Anyone got enough room for two girls to crash at? Haha

Fran: Busy busy! Hope everything runs smoothly for you. I've still got your b-day pressie btw.

[lefran]

slave labour i tell you! i was not impressed

[james]

i would like to add myself to the not dead list.