Florida

[geoffd]

anyone from florida. i'm in sarasota

[Beatnik]

Capt Harlock I'm in florida but it's a bit of a hike to get up to you or for you to come down. (3 or 4 hour drive?) Somewhere around there if I remember correctly.

I'm hoping to get a group going down here too. I posted this in the "local art chapters" thread but this seems like a great place for it also.
_____

I've been wanting to start a sketch group in Fort Lauderdale FL for a while now. We have a fairly large warehouse where we can set up for still life and possibly models at some point. If there is enough local interest I would be more than happy to make it happen. If anyone would like to get it going please send me a pm.

I have the lamps and several easels. Also a fuil sized mannequin and many tables and chairs.
______


The area would be south florida. Our shop is in Fort Lauderdale but a reasonable driving range would include anywhere from Boca Raton to Miami. Both locations are under an hour depending on traffic. I was thinking of sat or sundays but when the group forms we can all vote on when would would be the best time for everyone.

I'm going to put together a flyer soon and put them up at the local colleges. Art Institute of Fort Lauderdale, FAU, BCC, and Nova.

Can't wait til we get this going. It will be a great learning experience! You can never practice too much and it's always cool to meet others who want to learn and share their knowledge.

[Beltash]

Hey Beatnik I'm in right out side of Lauderdale in Coral Springs, but I'm really busy with school and a mod project right now. I'll be here for 2 more years though so sign me up after a year or so. Maybe :rolleyes:

[aiel]

I'm in Tarpon Springs anyone know where that is?
I've always wanted to join a group to better my skills

[Rimshot]

Im from Ft. Lauderdale area as well (Pembroke Pines)...ill keep my eye on this thread, sounds interesting:chug:

[Jane Radstrom]

Aeil, I know where it is. :) I am from Clearwater (between Tampa and St.Petersburg).

[Bretton]

im in naples too. and definately interested in a sketch group if i could get up to ft. lauderdale for a day.

[CKWorth]

I'm stuck permanently in the Oldsmar/Tampa area.

[Beatnik]

Turokess thats a beautiful area. I have friends who live in Oldsmar and I've fished Safety Harbor many many times. My favorite part about visiting Oldsmar is every morning you can watch the dolphins right from the living room window. Are you familiar with Shore Drive Place? They live on that road... very nice area.

[wassermelone]

Sarasota Florida here...

Ringling.

-toasty =D

[Strang]

hey beatnik, i am up for an FTL group meeting...

date and time is all i need.

i have talked with you before. i am at AiFL.... so if you would like to me promote there i can.

I am pretty active in the school (not student government). i do weekly software training (3d) and organize companies to come to the school. sooo getting everyone to come out to this sketch group would be no problem.. the school has a life drawing lab on wed. at 6. i could get these students to join in. and also the ones that cant make it to the wed @ 6pm come to the "conceptart" group.

check your pm also

-Strang

[SeraphSword]

Naples here as well. If you guys are doing a sketch thing on a weekend I might be able to make it to FTL.

[smabee]

yo im here in orlando and i'm just chillin i'll join a group and i go to ringling to

[Jane Radstrom]

Our FL thread is so dead. :(

[dadamafia]

I live in Miami Dade. I would love to join a sketch group and i think we should try to do this seriously. i can easily get up to fort lauderdale so all the lauderdale people should get something together and see wassup.

[Gr8t100]

damn it all. I'm from and in ft.lauderdale for the time being, for my parents. But classes resume for me on the 11th and i'm flying back on the 4th. Sucks though, always wanting to meet new and inspiring artists.

[geoffd]

alright where are all the Ringling/Sarasota people at?? Anyone at all in the immediate Tampa/Bradenton/Sarasota/St.Pete area? I see Toaster, Velo seems close by... I'd like to at least once hook up with some CA folks and make some connections. I guess maybe it's time I get off my ass and go to FEWS!! :flamig:

on a side note there should be CA.org sub-divisions in each of the different states/countries, kinda like the AIGA or something. The main branch is in Austin, then we can have little groups outside of that with a president, secretary, etc... then each group can set up their own little workshops and such. maybe i should bring that to Jason's attention?

[Jane Radstrom]

I dont know about such organization as that, right now anyone can make a post and get together at someone's house for sketch sessions or talk to a pro about getting together and doing a demo for some people locally. If we had chapters and presidents and secretaries and formal mini-workshops there would be (I think) insurance and legal worries, where some ass could come and I dont know.. sit one someone's exacto and try to sue or something. Keep it informal. :)

I would love to get together for sketchgroups sometimes! I'm near Tampa (Clearwater) I wouldn't mind going to Sarasota, or possibly other places. I hear FEWs meets three days a week during summer and is only $15 for membership all summer, it is far for me to drive regularly but if we picked a day to meet up and do some life drawing together I would definitely be up for it.

[CKWorth]

Yeah, Velo I'm really close to you, I'm around Oldsmar. It would be great if a sketchgroup could get going. It was pretty depressing coming back from Austin and having nothing like their sketchgroup here. Maybe all the Ringling kids don't really need a sketchgroup outside of what they already have, like FEWS. It felt like one big sketchgroup for the whole four years I was there, anyway. For someone like me who's out of school now I miss the interaction. Location wise, having one in Tampa would be wonderful. Sarasota might be doable, but it's an hour away from me. Ft. Lauderdale is 4 hours.

[RefrigeratorCo]

These are the places I go to. BTW I'm in St. Petersburg for the summer.


Monday 3:00pm RSAD / Sarasota - FEWS
Monday (only first Monday of the month) 6:30pm Hide Park / Tampa - 3 hour figure drawing session
Wednesday 6:00pm Artists Unlimited / Tampa - 3 hour figure drawing session
Thursday 6:30pm Eckerd College / St. Petersburg - 3 hour figure drawing session
Thursday 3:00pm RSAD / Sarasota - FEWS
Saturday 9:00am Art Center / St. petersburg - 3 hour figure drawing session

I don't go to FEWS because it's an hour away in Sarasota. I go to these with my friends. It's like me and a bunch of guys who go to the San Fran Academy and RISD. If your interested PM me (especially if you have a car)!

[scifiwasabi]

I'm in St. Petersburg...would love to meet everyone in the area. I've done a little research in the Tampa Bay area and here are some of the resources I've come up with (haven't been to any of these):

Tampa Bay Plein Air Painters
http://www.pleinairflorida.org/tbpap.htm

Open Studios at The Arts Center
http://www.theartscenter.org/class/open/os.htm

Figure Drawing Sessions at Artists Unlimited
http://fds.artistsunlimited.org/fdshi.html

RefrigeratorCo, I see that you already go to a couple of these....can you pass on more info on the Hide Park and Eckerd College sessions...contact info etc?

Anyway...would love to meet anyone in the area at one of these sessions.

-alex

[Eulathus]

I'm in Brandon for any who care. I really need to start sketching more as Ringling is my goal.

[Yoell]

Orlando here.

:bashful:

[TARGETE]

I'm near the FT. Lauderdale area didn't know there were many of you CA members around.
Yo Beatnik! that drawing sketch group sounds cool, let me know where that warehouse is and the details, I'm more then down with that. My life drawing and painting has been lacking the workshop proved that so yhea it would be great.

I'll be at Dragoncon in about a week or so maybe some of you FLoridians can haul your asses out there to see the artshow, I'll have a table in there.

visit:

Dragoncon.org

peace my good fellas.

JP

[kgb]

Ok, I guess I'll respond as well. Bradenton here.

[Jibbly]

Well, I'm in Orlando, but, it seems that most of you all are not..here..

[Strang]

Yeah Targete, noticed a while back you were in the area. I am currently in the lower Boca area. I go to AiFL. so getting down to ftlauderdale isn't a problem for me.

just need to get organized. i could get some Ai kids to join... maybe, some lazy students here, but i am sure i can get some to join.

-Steven

[Wafflehouseninja]

I live in pembroke pines to! so how many Ft. lauderdale / nort miami dade ppl we got? im game for getting together for some sketching or what ever. I need art people to talk to. all my buddys arnt into ast so when i babble on about what markers i use or my dead graphics tablet the just give me a blank look. :\

[Wafflehouseninja]

oh and by the way*BUMP*

[Yoell]

Im up for meeting, but im in orlando, and not traveling to far for meets :)

so all come to Orlando, maybe plan a day.

[chemicalli]

i am in orlando also...i dont mind going to tampa if need be. or here.


chem

[Jibbly]

Well, I'm about 15 or 20 minutes north of Orlando, but I'd definetly like to meet. I can't travel too far, however....

[SeraphSword]

:donk:
:android:

Android head to Donk chin *bump*

[sandgrain]

Does everyone get real mad when someone resurrects a thread from the grave?

I am in Tampa (Carrollwood) and noticed a few of you are local ~ Hello Neighbors!!

[Moreuvian_lx9]

Hey. I'm in Pinellas Park.

Also ... how the heck do I get my pictures into a thread? This is getting annoying.

[sandgrain]

Hey. I'm in Pinellas Park.

Also ... how the heck do I get my pictures into a thread? This is getting annoying.


It's fairly simple if you already know some HTML. The code this message board utilizes is similar in structure... try this:

[ img=http://www.host.org/images/image.jpg ] - just remove the spaces and replace the http:// with where ever you host your images. Pretty easy, eh?


On a side note, I'll be moving to St Petersburg very soon. That should be awesome as I don't really like living in the mid-to-north-Tampa area any more. I have to drive too far to get to anything fun!

[Moreuvian_lx9]

[img=http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rekluse2/detail?.dir=8310&.dnm=d404.jpg&.src=ph]


I hope this works ... I dont know where I can get my stuff uploaded otherwise...

[sandgrain]

:nohope: that didn't work... try photobucket.com (http://www.photobucket.com)

try your image link like this... (sorry the earlier one was an old adaptation of the code.. this one will definately work.)

(img)http://www.blabla.com/image/image.jpg(/img)

just change the ( to [ and ) to ] and you're all set!

again, sorry about that before. You can just go back and edit your post to fix it. Try to get the picture on screen by itself. from examining the URL you used to link your photo, it wasn't a direct link to the photo.. you may have more luck at the aformentioned photobucket in getting more of an absolute URL for your pictures. They also have awesome features that generate your code for you. :bashful:

[Moreuvian_lx9]

[IMG=http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Moreuvian_lx9/d404.jpg]


I wonder if this works ...

Test, mo fo!

[Moreuvian_lx9]

Drat. I cant post the friggin picture. Screw it. The link is there...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Moreuvian_lx9/th_d404.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Moreuvian_lx9/d404.jpg)

[eigam]

Hey Yoell, Jibbly, and Chemicalli, I'm in Orlando to.
You guys want to get together to start a sketch group.
Let me know, I'm up for one.

[Moreuvian_lx9]

Speaking of ... are there any sketch groups in the general vicinity of Pinellas Park/Tampa/St Pete?

[Pixeldragoon]

So, is there a sarasota one? I live in ellenton, Between sarasota and parrish. I'm only 15, so I can't drive yet, but if we did a few this summer that'd rock.

[sandgrain]

Speaking of ... are there any sketch groups in the general vicinity of Pinellas Park/Tampa/St Pete?

I think it would be nice to start something like this, if there isn't. I am moving to Saint Petersburg on the 24th to be closer to cultural activities of this sort & to reduce the length of my commute to work and other activities.

Anyway, your image link worked, but if you're hosting with photobucket, they actually provide you the code to drop into the board. it's the second line where they give you code in those [ brackets ].

See ya 'round.

[scifiwasabi]

I count 11 people in this thread that are in the Tampa Bay/Sarasota area. Lets get together? I do a lot of sketching at Borders at Tyrone Mall, St. Pete. I'll probably start showing up at open studio figure drawing at The Arts Center, St. Pete. I think its 9am-noon saturdays, $6 for non-members. See posts #20 and #21 above for other places.

Where else can we meet? Where do you all like to hangout to sketch?

-alex

[sandgrain]

I count 9 people in this thread that are in the Tampa Bay/Sarasota area. Lets get together? I do a lot of sketching at Borders at Tyrone Mall, St. Pete. I'll probably start showing up at open studio figure drawing at The Arts Center, St. Pete. I think its 9am-noon saturdays, $6 for non-members. See posts #20 and #21 above for other places.

Where else can we meet? Where do you all like to hangout to sketch?

-alex

I've got a membership to The Arts Center there on Central. I haven't tried the Saturday sketch-fest there yet.

I would be interested in trying to go with a group. I am on MSN (see my profile) for the worst (work) part of the day (9a-6p). It would be nice to get a chat going with some of you Bay Area peoples to organize a get-together or common meeting places & times.

Peace be with you.

[weedot]

i dont see any north florida peps here....i'm in Gainesville , if you dont know where that is The home of "The Gators" , Univ. of Florida .

[Pixeldragoon]

Well, if there is some cafe here in Sarasota I don't nkow about, that'd be cool. Like an RSAD Sketchgroup would rock. Sometimes I go to the Ellenton Outlet Mall food court to draw, I'ma do tat tomorrow.

[Pixeldragoon]

Well, I went, and to my Unconcievable suprise I didn't see any other artists there. =( Poo. Oh well. We should make like, an invision free forum so we all know where someone is going so we could meet them there.

Like this: http://s10.invisionfree.com/Sarasota_Sketchgroup/index.php?act=idx

[bobthedinosaur]

hello

live in orlando, just noticed this part of the forums

will be living in jacksonville, starting at UNF for fine arts

[Kittywolf13]

Hey i'm from Naples, FL. i would be interested in starting a group in Naples if i could find people interested....but i lived in ft. lauderdale for 13 years, so i wouldnt mind comeing down every once in awhile if it was close to 1-75...like the pembroke pines area.

So fellow people in Naples, give me a hollar...maybe we can invade a local starbucks or Barnes N Nobles and draw random people. :P i'd be very interested in doing so. i'd be more then willing to try and organize something if people are interested!

[Moreuvian_lx9]

These are the places I go to. BTW I'm in St. Petersburg for the summer.


Monday 3:00pm RSAD / Sarasota - FEWS
Monday (only first Monday of the month) 6:30pm Hide Park / Tampa - 3 hour figure drawing session
Wednesday 6:00pm Artists Unlimited / Tampa - 3 hour figure drawing session
Thursday 6:30pm Eckerd College / St. Petersburg - 3 hour figure drawing session
Thursday 3:00pm RSAD / Sarasota - FEWS
Saturday 9:00am Art Center / St. petersburg - 3 hour figure drawing session

I don't go to FEWS because it's an hour away in Sarasota. I go to these with my friends. It's like me and a bunch of guys who go to the San Fran Academy and RISD. If your interested PM me (especially if you have a car)!

Exactly what do these fabled figure drawing sessions cost? And how does a local psychopath go about contacting these figure drawing session gurus?

[Geuseppe]

So yeah, another Orlando boy... Should we maybe look into an Orlando group?



Not sure if I'd be able to make it or what I'd contribute... but ... ya know. ;)

[Moreuvian_lx9]

Pinellas Park ... soon to be downtown Tampa

[Dekard]

Another Tampanian...resurecting posts from the past.. Would love to see a Tampa Sketch Group started.

[scifiwasabi]

For life drawing groups in the Tampa Bay area check out the following site: figuredrawing.home.mindspring.com (http://figuredrawing.home.mindspring.com)

I go to the Eckerd College and the Art Center groups in St. Pete. Usually $5 to $6 a session. If enough forum peeps show up then maybe we can all start our own sketch group.

-alex

[ArlandoBattle]

hello

live in orlando, just noticed this part of the forums

will be living in jacksonville, starting at UNF for fine arts

Uhm I think they do figure drawing at Fuel in five points on Mondays
im not sure.

[Flynt]

Hey all, I'm looking for artists or art students who want to draw/paint from the figure (either portrait or nude) and share the cost. My studio is located in Fort Myers, FL close to Sanibel Island. Most likely, they would be evening sessions. If interested and in the area shoot me an E-mail.

douglasflynt@yahoo.com

Keep on drawing....

Doug (Flynt)

[ArlandoBattle]

Flynt how far in time is Fort Meyers from Jacksonville?
edit: uhm way too far for me sorry.

[steen]

We need to get an official Tampa Bay group rolling. There have to be interested people in the area with all of the schools around here. Come on people lets get together and draw some stuff! We'll go to some public places and do life drawing. We'll draw from models. We'll pull images from our brains. We'll bounce off of each other and make artistic goodness! Most of all we'll learn and become better artists. Lets do it!

[escape2mars]

Hi Steen,

This is Alex from ArtCenter/Eckerd (http://figuredrawing.home.mindspring.com/) Figuredrawing. Yes we should grow our little 5 person group :) I hope u show up at Saturday's (Nov.11) session...good model if that is any incentive for any y'all to show up. Also if you like fine art then we can go to allaprimafineart.com (http://www.allaprimafineart.com/wst_page5.php) gallery reception at Baywalk...two jawdropping awesome Kim English paintings just came in today.

-alex

My Sketchbook Thread (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=81554)

[steen]

Hey Alex. I kinda wimped out last week. Had to go into work at 5am on Friday (which meant get up at 4). That threw off my Thursday and my Saturday. Anyway, I'll be there this week ready to draw away. The Baywalk thing sounds good to me.

There's a show at the Ringling museum of master drawings that would be awesome to see. Maybe we can arrange a trip to that soon. It could be a good first official group excursion.

[escape2mars]

Hi Steen,
I was just at Ringling Museum this monday. Mondays are free to the public and the master drawings are quite good. There is a fine Hyacinth Rigaud and a Bernini drawing there. I think a trip there to do some master copies would be a great idea.

-alex

My Sketchbook Thread (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=81554)

[Sartell]

Is this up and running again? Anyway, there are tons of guys here at Ringling who already do this, but in a much more unfocused and clique-y way (not that this is very focused:) ). Where do you guys meet? What day? I'm 10 minutes from the Museum, most people at Ringling are about 5.

[steen]

So far it's just been Saturdays doing whatever after figure drawing in St. Pete. After this weekend we'll probably have a better idea of what to do and when. Suggestions are welcome.

For the museum weekends are best for me. I'm thinking maybe next Sunday, or Saturday afternoon. Think they'll take my Ringling ID from 02-03?

When's everybody else free?

[Icon]

:[ no more fort lauderdale ???

[steen]

Hey Icon, you could start rounding people up in your area. Then maybe we can all get together some day for some sort of Florida CA event.

At this point we're not really any kind of organized thing. Just find some drawing buddies and go out and draw stuff!

[steen]

I was wondering if there's still interest in going to the museum this weekend. I'm thinking Sunday, but if Saturday would be better that could work too.

[Sartell]

Just say the time, i'm there, either day is fine~*

[steen]

It looks like it's going to be Sunday. The museum is open until 5:30 so I think meeting around 1:00 would give us plenty of time. It's been forever since I've been there so I'm not sure of a good place to meet up. Any suggestions or comments on the plan thus far?

[steen]

I guess we'll just meet at the entrance. Logic!

See you around 1:00.

[Justin.]

Aww man! If I had a car I would totally go... I'm up in Ellenton though and my 'rents are at a football game! =\

[steen]

Museum trip went well. The master drawings exhibit was awesome to look at.

Sartell - Didn't see you there. Maybe we missed you? We got there about 15 minutes late. Or maybe I missed you because you don't really have a chain in your mouth and CA in your eyes? Nah, must be the first one.

Justin Oaksford - Tried to IM you. Ellenton is on the way for me. I thought we might have been able to give you a ride. Maybe next time.

[BlackPress]

Hey, It's Nick. I finally created an account.

[steen]

Hurray! It's blackpress nick. My favorite t-shirt ninja. :ninja++:

[scifiwasabi]

The Ringling museum trip was fun. It was me, escape2mars, steen, & blackpress. And the beer at the brew pub was damn good.

Anyway, I'm going back to Sarasota this saturday Dec 2. to see M Gallery of Fine Art (http://www.mgalleryoffineart.com/) where they will be hosting a reception for the Romel De La Torre (http://www.romeldelatorre.com/) workshop and worshop attendees. The gallery represents lots of figurative artists such as Clayton Beck (http://www.claytonjbeckiii.com) as well as some Ringling peeps (at least one student and one animation teacher that I'm aware of is represented).

Steen, BlackPress, anyone up for it?

[steen]

Seems like it'll be a good show to see. Let me confer with the committee and I'll get back to you. That's a certain t-shirt ninja's b-day, so I'm not sure if there are already plans.

[steen]

Ok. So myself and the committee played video games instead of deliberating. The truth is I had a chronic episode of tired and lazy. Sorry I didn't get back to you guys. How was the show?

[scifiwasabi]

Hey Steen,
Downtown Sarasota was crazy packed...holiday parades gallore. Bad night to have the reception. The main artist was a noshow most likely coz he got lost with most of the roads closed off for the parade.

I was really impressed with Dominic Avant. He's a Ringling animation teacher and former disney animator. This nude (http://www.dominicavant.com/portrait/images/Nude.jpg) was awesome in person. If I had $8k I'd have bought it.

The gallery has a figure drawing/painting open studio (http://www.mstudiosarasota.com/)on Thursday nights and costs $5/hr if anyone in the area is interested. Its too far for me to do on a regular basis.

[Darkhorse3d]

Fort Laud's here, let get something started!

[NicoRaven]

This is a cool little group. I'll definitely look back sometime.

[steen]

Let it be known that this is the week I get my crap back together and start going to figure drawing again! I'm back, I'm 28, and I've got water color pencils and gouche!

[Yoell]

Orlando Here, laid back artist looking to maybe hit the parks or chill spots to draw/sketch/doodle and bs. Ill be back this week after my year back in MI

[steen]

Hmm, my last post came off kinda dorky. Anyway, where'd everybody go? I'm still drawing in St. Pete on Saturdays. What happened to the group?

[AbstractPagan]

Bradenton here, I love the ringling museum and would love to go to the school sometime next year. Ugh. If only they had online schooling...

[escape2mars]

If you're in Florida you should check out the Bouguereau exhibit in Ocala at the Appleton Museum (http://www.appletonmuseum.org). It runs thru May 27. I'm planning on going again. For $6 it is so worth it. I wasn't counting but I'd say there were at least 20 Bouguereaus and another 20-25 paintings by his american students. Some of the Bouguereau paintings included were:

self portrait (http://www.artrenewal.org/images/artists/b/Bouguereau_William/large/Portrait_de_lartiste.jpg)
Jeune Bergere (http://www.artrenewal.org/images/artists/b/Bouguereau_William/large/Jeune_bergere_CA.jpg)
Pastourelle (http://www.artrenewal.org/images/artists/b/Bouguereau_William/large/Pastourelle.jpg)
Jeune Fille se Defendant Contre L'amour (http://www.artrenewal.org/images/artists/b/Bouguereau_William/large/Jeune_fille_se_defendant_contre_lamour.jpg)

[NicoRaven]

I know it seems useless but I'ld like to inform the other Aritst in the Big Bend Area Gadsden County Leon County area that I'd love to sketch with you guys anytime.

I currently reside in Tallahassee, yes its no ART mecca but it suites me fine. So if your in the area passing through or events come up in or around definitely definitely. I'll try to make it.

[EBristow]

Hey everyone, I'm in Gainesville myself. (ya know University of Florida, 2 time basketball and football champs... sorry couldn't resist). Kind scanned the messages, wow a lot of you are in either Orlando or St. Petersburg. I used to live in Orlando about 3 years ago now. I kinda miss it though. I went to school there @ Full Sail.. boy was that a waste of money... that place I don't miss. Don't go there, all they want is to push you through the program and take your money.

Anywho. drop me a line someone. email is Gatorartgal@yahoo.com

[steen]

I'm not dead! I just moved across town. That sucked away an amazing amount of time. Must. . . draw. . . again.

[goatrape]

Hi all, would love to get something going in SWFL for a meetup. I have been itchin to find a group. I live in Fort Myers.

[Anthony]

Orlando here. Anyone still meeting up to do this?

[drd]

Has everyone from Florida disappeared?

Ringling students?

The last post in Florida, the greatest state, should not be from 2007

[artmessiah]

If anyone in the Bradenton/Sarasota area still interested in starting a sketchgroup - Drawing Concepts, Comics or whatever, holler at me. I'm doing the Mr. Mom thing until schools starts up (pretty soon) and I need the artistic camaraderie. Even when school starts I'll need a outlet from animation. Most of my Ringling buddies are hardcore animators where as I walk the fence between that and illustration and illustration is winning my free time at the moment.

[Moreuvian_lx9]

Yeah, easy to lose inspiration (living example) with no art geeks around. I'm in St. Pete.

[buffaloe]

I'm up for drawing... just say where! I'm in gainesville, but I'll drive to wherever most of you want to go :)