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[mephisto]

Heres what Ive been workin on for the past few weeks. Please gimme crits if you got the time. Thanks!

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/pantera/UndeadSoldier_copy.jpg

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/pantera/DemonSeed1.jpg

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/pantera/DemonSeed2_copy.jpg

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/pantera/FatHero_copy.jpg

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/pantera/FredDemon_copy.jpg

This ones a work in progress. Finally got tired of the black and white. Gonna paint on top of it now wit some colors.
http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/pantera/Posessed_copy.jpg

[megan_billings]

I like the soldier piece at the top a lot. The gritty quality and pallete make for a good 'war' effect. It looks like you are haveing a problem that i frequently have with digital painting. Often my work comes out looking a little blurry because of the excessive softness of the brushes i used. maybe try going back in with a harder edged brush in just a few places to 'crisp' it up a little. But all-in all a very cool image
~megan

[Cloak]

I love the first and the last pieces of work, like he said, it really captures the mood or the horror of the war, and the last one is just realy cool with the lady and the demon.

[treeshark]

Hi, You need to spend more time on the drawing. It's fun to do a really tight drawing and then paint over it freely. that way a lot of your technical how do i draw stuff is out of the way. Also colours, choose a palette of a few tones and colours and stick to them, I some times steal the palette from an image i like, it doesnt have to be in any way like your subject just an image where you find the colors cool.
Keep painting

[mephisto]

cool, thanks meg, I will try to urge myself to get more crisp, for some reason I like blury. Hopefully it will become less of a weakness with practice.

thanks cloak, Im glad the soldier came off how I wanted. I was trying to sort of say something about the brutality and mindless killing behind war, while at the same time paint one my favorite subjects: zombies. (:

treeshark, im not to sure what you mean about the tight drawing thing. I fully rendered the drawing in most cases, then painted on top of that in order to get away from the colored-in look. Perhaps the problem lies in inacurate proportions? Not sure. Still trying to work out color. You seem to have it down pretty good from what I saw on your site.

Thanks for the feedback!

[cartoonfox]

ok, when i say this, i meen it in the most helpfull and un-nasty way possible.


STOP!!! stop what your doing right now, dont draw anything else out of your head. grab a good anatomy book, and study it. study every muscle. you have some big anatomy and proportion problems. and the more your draw them out, the deaper they will get stuck in your head. and the more you will beleive its right. everytime you draw out of your imagination, your diging yourself deeper and deeper into a hole. you need to stop this and practice your anatomy and proportions. just a few weeks or studies and hard work will be enough to get you back on track. right now you are on the wrong side of the road, and everytime you draw, you are going faster and faster down the road, and the harder it will be to stop. so begin to stop now and get some good anaotmy books (cant think of any good ones out the top of my head, but i'm sure the others can help)

your doing good, some nice ideas, but the proportions and bad anatomy seriously completley ruin the peices. i hope i dont sound too harsh, i'm really a nice guy. :) but i just think you should be told now, before you go even deeper into the bad anatomy cave. you need to turn back now!! :) i'm suprised no one else has mentioned it yet.


about colour, i cant help, as i have near to no expereince in digital colouring

anyway, i beleive that if you comit yourself to learning proper anatomy and proportions, that you will start to create some really nice peices. and even though creatures dont always have human anatomy, thats no excuse, you still need to know it so you can apply the basics to creatures, zombies etc and make them alot more realistic.



hope that helped, and good luck on your art. i hope you take the crits to heart and i see you progress in the near future.

good luck :)




peace

[mephisto]

Hmm. well, not sure how to take this one. I have multiple anatomy books, study them frequently. I got to life drawing twice a week. The black and white pic is from a couple different references, the soldier used ref from a vietnam war book I have. I tried to look to your site for possible examples of more realistic anatomy but found none. With a claim like this you really need to be more specific, point out exactly what I am doing wrong and where. I completely agree that drawing without a ref is bad practice in terms of learning anatomy, natualism, and realism, but its fun, so I do it when I feel like it. I to agree I need more practice, but right now, without specifics, your really not helping anyone.

[treeshark]

All that being said is that your drawing is very promising but needs more understanding of form and structure. Books can only help so far what really makes you good it is to draw and then draw some more.
I was helped by the fact that I'm too stupid to give up. I look back on old drawings and cringe at the crap i thought was great... in fact now I think of it the one i did yesterday does'nt look so hot now...

[cartoonfox]

hmmm ok, i'll try to give you some examples. lol forget my site, it has work which is like 4 moths old :D



http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/pantera/UndeadSoldier_copy.jpg
his left arm is too short. the elbow should be in-line with just above the top of the buttocks. and the hand should start just below the middle of the buttocks.


http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/pantera/DemonSeed1.jpg
his right arm is way too long. it might be on purpose but it just looks wrong.
his torso and stomach is way too thin, it's as if he has no rib cage.
his left leg is bent at an impossible angle. again, this all may be on purpose, but it just looks wrong. its not beleivable.


http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/pantera/DemonSeed2_copy.jpg
he has no neck.
it looks as if your kinda guessing on the torso musscles.
his right arm: the lower part is way too long. and on the bottom left arm: the top is too thin to be able to hold the bottom part and the sword.
again i think his waist is too thin.


http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/pantera/FatHero_copy.jpg
this one seems to be ok. but his hands and rists are too small.
his lower legs seem to thing, they're about to snap!


http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/pantera/FredDemon_copy.jpg
this one also seems pretty good, but some of the muscles (like the sholder) seem to sqaure.
his hand/claw is joined straight to the top arm, theres no bottom half of the arm, especcially on his left one.
top half of his right arm seems a little to short.
but this is te best one so far. :)


http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/pantera/Posessed_copy.jpg
now with this one, i thought there might be some ref for the girl, as she seems perfect. although i think the top half of the arms are a tad too short, though its hard to tell with the dress.
one arm is longer than the other.
one of her breasts is lower than the other (on purpose??)
the bottom half of the monsters arm is too short, and the hand a tad too long.
the hand is maybe too long, but it might supposed to be like that.



hey, dont get me wrong. i'm not saying for a second that my anatomy is anything close to perfect. i've only been drawing for 6 months, and i have a looooong way to go before i can draw anatomy and proportions right, but its just that these caught my eye, and so i wanted to let you know, so that you can fix the problems in your brain (that may come out wrong... i meen the anatomy problems that you have in your brain right now)
but if you have anatomy books and are going to life drawing, then thats cool :) sorry if i sounded rude or nasty, i didt realise that you where studying anatomy, and i was foolish to asume that you wheren't. sorry.



anyway, i hope i have made it clear, and if anyone see's anything else, or anything i pointed out to be wrong, which is actually riht, please post, cos i could very well be wrong.


anyway, good luck on your studies. like i said before, your doing great allready. :)




peace

[JoShuA]

cartoon fox you rock.:beer:

[cartoonfox]

lol, thanks something i wasnt expecting :D thanks...... why do i rock? :D

...i guess you rock too :beer:





peace

[JoShuA]

that was a hardcore crit. mephisto, it dosent get any better than that. be gratefull.

[cartoonfox]

oh, well thanks man. i'm glad it was appreciated :) i think that was my first real crit. critting is fun!! oooh, i'm getting all warm inside!!.... must. crit. more. stuff... :D



anyway, mephisto i hope it made sense what i said and that you learn from it to make your art better in the future. keep at it, and keep using those books to get ref from. make studies on all the muscles. its no good being able to look at a book every now and then. you need to know what you are doing. so if you make studies of each muscle. you'll be able to draw what ever you want and then be able to apply what you know to your charactewrs to make them much more realistic and beleivable. that is the key to succsesfull creatures, beleivability. zombies dont exsits, but if you give them proper porprtions and anatomy, and make then beleivable, they will make the viewer believe that one could be lurking outside their door, or in their garden. and the viewer will love you and the concept for this. remember that the next time you design somthing.

i hope you take these crits and advice to heart and i want to see you improve in your next pieces. i will be keeping my eye on you :)



peace

[mephisto]

Ok man, I appreciate your honesty. I agree about the wrists being to small on the fat guy, but about his legs, well I wanted him to feel top heavy. I wanted those demons to feel chaotic and wrong, they were spawned from old corpses of men, and then reasembled by the deformed mind of the dark lord. :) Squaring out the muscles is something else I tend to do intentionally when I feel like it, Im sorry you dont like it. Your wrong about elbows coming down to your hips, they come to the bottom of the rib cage, theres a difference. Thanks for the feedback, I aprreciate it.

[cartoonfox]

hmmm, ok, but i felt that a guy that big, with legs that thin wouldnt be able hold its self, i could imagine his legs snapping under the weight.

and i'm not wrong, i didnt say the elbow comes inline with the hip, i said just above the start of the buttocks. the same place the rib cage ends. but i didnt use the rib cage as ref cos i think its a bit too high on the zombie. your arm on the war zombie is too short. and because the elbow is inline with its rib cage, the rib cage is too short too.

if anyone sees i'm wrong, please post, but i'm sure i'm right. check your books and compare to your drawings, you'll see all the mistakes.


anyway, i meen no harm, i'm just trying to help you out before you make any more mistakes and burn them deaper into your brain. the more you do it, the harder it will be to get it out of your brain and correc it.





peace

[mephisto]

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/pantera/skeleton.bmp

[cartoonfox]

whats that? it doesnt load

[mephisto]

works for me, but heres a diff type of link, just for you. it takes a minute...

http://<img src=http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/pantera/skeleton.bmp>

[cartoonfox]

lol your using two different types of tags, but i saw it. are you still trying to tell me i'm wrong? why are you showing me a skeleton pictue?


look man, grab an anatomy book, check it with all your pictures and you will see the problems. the fact of the matter is you have anatomy problems which you think are correct, but they're not. i'm just pointing them out. its up to you to either continue on the wrong road or start to fix them. please a pro help me out here. am i right or wrong?




peace