haven't posted in a long while

[ceballos79]

here's some stuff i've been working on:


http://www.resistcomfort.com/rc/ron.jpg


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[ceballos79]

i put up a wrong pic for # 3
it's:

http://www.resistcomfort.com/rc/ron3.jpg

[wassermelone]

In the first two images it looks like you are doing three things thoughout the first two pictures:
1. Using unedited portions of photos
2. Painting straight over portions of photos to get a more painted look
3. Painting new things over the image to get the type of image you want

Maybe I am just seeing things... but I don't think I am.
http://www.rsad.edu/~awhitmor/images/huh.jpg

I like the third one (and the update) but I think that more belongs in the Sketches section.

I also say I am sorry of accusing you of anything if I am wrong.

-toasty =o

[ceballos79]

you're almost right. but not quite. in the pic you're taking apart some of these accessories are straight from photographs i took (dreamcatcher, wristband, belly ring). I'm on tight deadlines and cut corners where I can. As for the other accessories, I took those from another drawing I did. As for the actual person that's all me, including the torso. And if you see something looks painted like her face, that's just because I didn't have time to blend it more to look like pencil. All the work shown was done with a digital stylus. and in those shots I work as a painter first, then blend, throw on a blur filter and add noise to make it look like pencil which is the medium my client likes to see sometimes.

as for my sketches thrown in I put those in just to bring the local folks up to speed as to what i'm doing nowadays.

seems to me you're trying to either belittle my work saying I faked it, or really giving me a compliment saying my rendering is that exacting. Since the former isn't true and I don't feel like being an asshole and telling you to eat shit and die, I say, "Thank you!"

Cheers Sir!

/rc

[wassermelone]

Since it seems I am wrong, I apologize.
Its just every now and then I see someone WITH a photo they changed up a little and claim it is their drawing. Its a fine line telling between them and the artists skilled enough to make things look photoesque when they want to.

My biggest critique then is that it does look so cobbled together of various elements. I am not sure how you would fix that if you are on such a tight schedule... and maybe another more skilled artist than I could tell you something.

-toasty =)

[ceballos79]

I agree with you, the compositing could use plenty of work. Yet the main focus is to get an idea across to the client so they may visualize their final vision better. They only want to pay me for so many hours so I do what I can during that time. If I had all the time in the world i'd make it look perfect like the dirty perfectionist I am.

Hodor.

/rc

[fukifino]

It definately looks very photolike, but take that as a compliment. I pretty much agree with the previous crits. As for positive comments, I definately love the two women in those pictures. Sexy faces that are at once both very cartoony and very realistic. I'd love to see the pre-noise versions to see how your painting of them progress to get this end result.

[metaphysiks]

at the risk of sounding like an asshole, i dont buy this one damn bit. i sat here and looked for a while and could not convice myself that you painted these. maybe painted over. i can see where you inserted photos, they seem to be clearer than the rest. there has to be a reason that these pics are so blurry, maybe to hide the seam lines between photos. i have seveeral friends looking at these and none of us think that you painted these, or all of them. im not trying to be mean it is just hard to swallow. i think something that helps this suspicion is the extreme difference in the posts. the guy that started out as a blue line drawing looks more like something that was completely hand drawn. that and its not blurry at all. maybe no seams to hide? man, i dont know about this. this is weird. i could be wrong, i doubt i am, but if you are painting over and lying about it,thats pretty lame.
meta

[ceballos79]

ok that's fine. I myself, am an asshole (when I want to be), and I love making other assholes look the part.

My next job I will be sure to post interim stage images so you and your friends could officially eat shit and die then burn in hell for all eternity (metaphorically speaking).

An asshole I may be, but conceited I am not. What I'm saying after this is plain fact: I'm 24 years old, 22 of those years were spent drawing. I started rendering light and shadow by 6th grade.

Here's a piece I did around 8th grade. (pencil)

http://www.resistcomfort.com/rc/work/examples/face.jpg

Here's a piece I did two years ago or so before I knew how to use a stylus: (stylus, my first attempt)

http://www.resistcomfort.com/rc/work/examples/jude.jpg

lastly, my nuts are friggin' huge.

http://www.theflyingsaucer.com/fs-balls.jpg

(hehe)

hodor!
/rc

[Blackarts]

I don't think these pictures were photo-paintovers, it just looks like photos were used as reference. They defintaly look a little cut and paste right now, and the blur isn't helping things. Of course, as long as the client is happy who really cares.

[ceballos79]

they WERE photo referenced. I wouldn't be able to produce something like that with a live model or from my head. Anyone sitting there long enough for me to do that work would prolly need some mental help. And you state a strong point, I'm a 'CONCEPT' artist; I only need to get an idea across. so if it's patchy for time so be it. but don't worry, i'm still going to give you your step by step so the naysayers can eat it.

/rc

[Blackarts]

they WERE photo referenced. I wouldn't be able to produce something like that with a live model or from my head.

You should try doing more life-drawing then, it makes you really fast and is great practice.

[ceballos79]

I agree. I did it for 6 years and wish I still had time to do it more. Been away from it for 4 years now. Had this teacher Marteen when I went to college, greatest thing ever. Totally broke down everything I taught myself and made my work look like crap, but taught me more than any other teacher i've ever had. he was a weird funny guy too. always used to cup the model's breast and say, "you have to feel the breast with your line".

hrm. HODOR!

/rc

[pvrhye]

At the least try to composite them in the same resolution. That should help with the patchy quality. That picture was plenty big enough to afford a shrinking.

[jrr]

http://rn01.rednova.com/news/images/5/2003/08/14/franken_al_1_harvard.jpg

[metaphysiks]

you are tight on deadlines so you placed in photos of the easy stuff to render, and took the time to paint the bodies. that doesnt make much sense. the belly ring would have been one stroke of the stylus yet you took the time to crop a photo of it and place it in. i still dont buy it. the logic isnt there.
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[ceballos79]

time will tell. you don't have to 'buy' anything because i'm not selling. be a little patient until i get my next job and you can see how i work step by step. then u can apologize and eat shit (then die). of course i'm joking (or am i?).

/rc

hodor?

[killing.people]

ceballos79,

you are awesome!! fucking sweet man! do you work at game company?
i really like the staff, dream-catchers are awesome! my grandma has one in her car. i really like your attitude, i think it's badass how you just dont give a damn. you should give that chick a wolf shirt - that would be badass!

i think you are full of shit, pretentious, and vain as hell.

.. drew the body but used photos on accesories to cut time :rolleyes: ya .. right!

[dfacto]

If you aren't lying to us, then just paste a non filtered image and show us. Then give us process steps to show how you go from just stylus work, to your final peice. That doesn't take any time at all really since if you work smart you have multiple backups of files and they go in process, so you can always go back and see earlier work. It shouldn't take you any more than a few minutes really.

so make us die and eat shit.

(btw, I find the blur hard to swallow. It doesn't make it look pencilish, it makes it look blurred. I just don't see what purpose a gaussian blur would really serve except to cover things up. Sorry to say, but until you make me die and eat shit, I'll think your taking us for a ride. And don't get insulted, I mean what could you really expect? When you place photo elements into a pic and say nothing about it you immediately draw suspicion, and people think that you are trying to pull a fast one on them. So whether the rest of the image is or isn't messed with, you get the wrong kind of attention from then on out. *UNTIL YOU PROVE YOU'RE RIGHT*. So do it.)

And if you can't then prepare to lose credibility forever.

[young paddy1]

why do the eyes on the large view look like they were cut out and stuck on with blu-tak, if you drew the entire face, and I'm sure I've seen the photo used for the woman with the skull on the end of her staff. this is a self proclaimed rusty sheriffs badge calling you a liar.

I just looked at yakecan.jpg and yakecan2.jpg they've got nice feathers on.


if not remove all of the bits from the pictures you didn't create and let's see where you started. mmmkay

[ceballos79]

i'm purposefully being vain, a prick, an asshole, pretentious, etc. you're not catching the humor to this thread. call me what you want, i'm getting paid to do what i love and until you start paying my checks i could care less. only reason i'm going to even give you a step by step is for shits and giggles. i'm actually a nice guy, but i like to fuck around every once in awhile. adds spice to life. as for gaussian blurring, it may just make it look blurry, but it's also a great way to knock out the painterly strokes (along with noise). you guys are getting all mad and shiz... relaaaax. just words gents, they don't bite. perhaps when i say eat shit and die, maybe i really only mean "hang yourself with your tie from a doorknob", or "i like cats". either way, i'm of the strong stance like that pic on threads that "Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics... Even if you win, you're still retarded." so let's not argue. let's be friends and have a beer :chug: ...this will be my last post until i'm ready with my retort. cheers!

hodor.

[dfacto]

some notes.

1)Intead of gaussian blur, go in with a blur brush and you will get much firmer results, while still losing those painterly strokes.

2)Correct use of smileys can diffuse even the most volatile post and make people see that you are joking. If not, then you sound like you meant it all 100%. Coming back later and saying you didn't doesn't work quite as well.

3)Still waiting for proof.

[deliciouspeter]

But who is paying you for a blurry image of a well known model?

[deliciouspeter]

http://www.discominx.com/adrianalima/ew02.jpg

[Scubasteve]

Why are they so blurry?

[alkaline111]

ohhh snap!!... i thought that looked like adriana lima.... its gonna get ugly in here i have a feeling

[alkaline111]

im not expert.. something i like to say before i advise someone.....i think the noise filter is the main problem problem..... all the elments have that freckeled texture.. maybe using different filters for different elements would look cleaner and more interesting........

i heart adriana!!:chug:

[ceballos79]

ok i lied one more post before the retort, just in case u thought i was "zing'd". all's i have to say is "AAAAAAAAAARGGGGH, YOU GOT ME" i told you it was photo referenced and the client wanted her to look like adriana lima. give yourself a cookie big boy, you just pointed out the obvious.

hooooooooooooodor!

btw - ice and fire... great series.

[metaphysiks]

why do i still think you are full of shit? you are digging yourself deeper. you claim you need to save time, so you paint the bodies and insert little necklaces and shit. you rip off a picture of a model, and slightly change it because you client wants it to look like that model. why would you blur it to drop out the paint strokes. if youre so awesome, you would either use the paint strokes to your advantage or there wouldnt be any. man i dont know what to say.
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[deliciouspeter]

Again, who is your "client"?

[dfacto]

Look, he's full of shit. Just move along, nothng to see here.

[softdrawer]

just from looking at your sketch and then those illustrations, i know for a fact that your skills are not to the point of reproducing such kind of work. I'm not saying you're not good, just you cannot achieve such result. Then references starts to pop out from users to users because you know what, we live in small world. Enough said, i usualy don't even bother writing to people like you but i felt like i had to this time.

( i find it sad that people still don't understand that imagination is better than anything you'll ever get as a reference. )


alx

[Diego]

dfacto: Look, he's full of shit. Just move along, nothng to see here.
ROGER that.

[ceballos79]

i'd like to take this moment to say i'm disappointed in the support on this forum. i'm hurt deeply. i was considering hanging myself from a doorknob with a tie, but then i thought better of it and decided to give all of you a purple mushroom tattoo on your forehead. consider this the beginning to my retort. as i have free time i will work on this picture for you, my loving audience who'd like to see nothing but me fail. so hurtful. /sob. (i promised myself i wouldn't cry -- again...) well anyway, you will see me working from beginning to end, and hopefully by the end i'll run out of tears and you'll find it in your hearts to take back all those mean things you said about my ability. and none of you REALLY have to eat shit and die when this is done, but it'd make me happy if you did. here's me pouring out my heart and giving you the finger. oh yeah, i'm not looking for the peanut gallery shooting quips at my work before it's done, so please try to refrain... i'm not looking for critiques, i'm just out here proving myself to the hating mobs; moderators, feel free to remove this thread from this topic and add to the WIP topic. upon completion i'll make another post in here so everyone can say I used magic from a virgin elf to create my work.

http://www.resistcomfort.com/rc/work/eatshit/01.jpg http://www.resistcomfort.com/rc/work/eatshit/02.jpg http://www.resistcomfort.com/rc/work/eatshit/03.jpg http://www.resistcomfort.com/rc/work/eatshit/04.jpg http://www.resistcomfort.com/rc/work/eatshit/05.jpg http://www.resistcomfort.com/rc/work/eatshit/06.jpg

hodor.

/rc

[killing.people]

could you use these at all?
http://www.fantasyhorses.homestead.com/files/Wolf_tee_shirt.jpg

http://theturquoiselady.com/images/earrings.jpg

http://www.dltk-kids.com/world/native/dream.gif

:funny:

[pvrhye]

while its still in progress I'd fix the boob despairity you are starting to get going on.

[ceballos79]

again, i thank you for all the support. you're all such good virtual buddies of mine. sounds like we should have a beer again!

:chug:

killing.people i think that shirt is awesome, i wish i had it for a night gown, or maybe if i'm lucky i'll find one just like it to wear under my jacket with my tuxedo at my wedding (thinking about wearing an elmer fudd hat too). thanks for the dreamcatcher, that one's better than the one i was using now isn't it?

:chug:

woo it's a party!

pvrhye you seemed to have missed the part about the peanut gallery. i'll worry about the art, you worry about finding some poop to eat.

i'm getting kind of drunk now guys let's take it easy

:beer:

now i've been working a good 16.5 hours today, I think i'll go to bed *burp*

hey but before i do here's a link to a great game i found!
lego fun all over again (http://www.lego.com/eng/create/activities/worldbuilder)

/yawn, hodor.

/rc

[pvrhye]

pvrhye you seemed to have missed the part about the peanut gallery. i'll worry about the art, you worry about finding some poop to eat.

And to think. for the sake of civility I decided to look past all the doubting, give you a chance, and give my honest opinion on how I think you can improve the piece. (EDIT: Removed a rudeish line that I had no business putting on these boards.)

[PoX]

Even if this guy wasn't copy/pasting some photos together and throwing in some filters, his attitude alone makes him a dickhead. I don't know why he bothers to keep posting. All the arogance and sarcasm in the world won't help.

It's not a matter of proving you drew them from scratch, its a matter of not acting like a total wanker and expecting positive feedback.

[ceballos79]

all joking aside i only acted like an ass cuz i took strong offense to someone having the tenacity to question my ability, nevermind a group of people. in all honesty i need no one's pat on the back, though it's nice time to time, the main goal of my original post was just to bring you guys up to speed as to what i was working on. is that a crime? due to the sarcastic nature i took this thread, pvrhye, i thought you weren't genuinely trying to help me, but rather trying to bring me down. so me jumping down your throat was un called for, and i apologize. i can definitely play the part of an asshole when in want to, but i'm not in my true nature... so all the arrogance and crap was just a prop to make my retorts funnier/annoying.

i'm just about done being serious, and now that you know the truth that still doesn't change the fact I have a point to prove. i don't like people trying to degrade my ability, for that the flames of hell will engulf small baby rabbits across the world... and they have you guys to thank for it! i think a cleansing is in order.

btw, due to the WFH and NDA i signed with the company i'm working for I may be taking down 3 of the images from my original post, yet but so long as you don't tell i won't either.

until next time gents.

/rc

ps: *hodor*

[obsero]

http://www.zanfoto.com/tmp/adriana_lima.jpg

[ceballos79]

awesome, i get serious for a sec to try and salvage civility and all you can do is point out the obvious again? /thumbsup buddy. you win.

i just got 7 new characters to develop so i won't even be able to work on my piece for a little while. seeing how retarded some of you still are being i won't even bother rubbing it in. i'll post the finished product up here one day and that'll be the end of it.

it's a shame how some people act when they're serious. i'm no longer in a joking mood. ciao fellas. happy drawing. if i see any of your work i'll be sure to jump on and give you a pat on the back for encouragment, and try to give you honest advice on how to better your piece if i deem it appropiate instead of trying to shoot you down. that's on a professional level and other than that piss off. i'm sure some of you feel the same way toward me so we're even.

hasta luego,

/rc

[killing.people]

oh boo-fucking-hoo

if you browse around here a bit and read what a normal response is, you will find people here arent as vindictive as you are trying to make them seem.

problem is, you wont get a normal response with a manipulated photo and ignorantly trailing for flames with your egotistical sarcastic bullshit. you aren't worth people's time if you are going to lie to them.

i post to help people, not rub their gigantic nuts. and that is all you wanted in my opinion. you dont want to actually get any better (cut and paste painting?!). i think you just want respect.

you didnt even post your image in the right forum. all of these are a work in progress right?

respect isnt given or due, it is earned.

[metaphysiks]

i love killing.people

on a serious note, im sorry you feel that way dude. have a nice life, hope your client likes your new stuff. check the reference thread for some good photos to use.
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[madphill]

Looks shady to me...the face, among other things, lines up friggin perfectly.

http://www.mtsu.edu/~ptm2a/fakeass.gif

[obsero]

Originally posted by ceballos79
awesome, i get serious for a sec to try and salvage civility and all you can do is point out the obvious again? /thumbsup buddy. you win.

/rc

Originally posted by ceballos79
As for the actual person that's all me, including the torso. And if you see something looks painted like her face, that's just because I didn't have time to blend it more to look like pencil. All the work shown was done with a digital stylus.
etc...

sad, indeed. but in order to inject some positive outlook on all this mess, i'll tell you 1 thing ceballos:
i hope you learn from this. lying/cheating etc is not really worth it. you probably have some talent and if i were you, i'd work on perfecting it. only then - since you seem to have a penchant for it- you'll be able to afford to piss on whatever anybody else think of you as a person or as an artist. short cuts will lead you nowhere. be on your own and do your best. that's the only advice i can offer.

...oh, and grow the fuck up

[dfacto]

i just got 7 new characters to develop so i won't even be able to work on my piece for a little while. seeing how retarded some of you still are being i won't even bother rubbing it in.

And there's the payoff. Not only did he come in and try to pass off photos as his own work, but he insulted us. And now the "proof" will never come. Is it because he lied? Is it becuase he is too busy? Is it because his dog ate it? We'll never know.

Just something for all of you artists out there who don't know this already. IF YOU USE PHOTOS THEN SAY SO IN THE FIRST POST. Otherwise you get shit like this. If you are caught without any disclaimer people will think you are trying to pass off the photo as your own work and then you get lambasted. Period.

[ceballos79]

here's my formal apology to all of you, obviously things got out of hand. i feel i deserve one to, yet i don't need one and it's sort of moot anyway. i promise when i get the chance i'll be posting more work of the piece. this thread will be old and dead by then... i'll revive it anyway.

p

/rc