THUNDERDOME ROUND 4 DISCUSSION:TERMINATOR 3 conceptart vs eatpoo!

[Jason Manley]

THUNDERDOME 4: TERMINATOR 3 CONTEST!!! (November 30th, 2002 until December 31st, 2002)
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hey all...

this months contest for thunderdome is a big one! Here is the deal!

DO YOU HAVE THE INSPIRATION TO PAINT THE BEST TERMINATOR ILLUSTRATION ANYONE HAS EVER SEEN?

The contest is simple...make a painting of the TERMINATOR...it can be just him..it can be the world..it can be action oriented or just a fantastic illustration. Anything you want...it just has to be the terminator and OR the terminator world.

If you could make any painting you wanted of the terminator what would you do? Would it be a portrait movie poster? Would it be a battle illustration? you decide! anything goes.

DO NOT use any copyrighted material in your image...you should use the stuff available as resource but this image needs to be new and entirely your own. Can your image embody what it is that the terminator and the terminator world is about?

We hope so.

here are some words from the terminator people about the project...

"We are looking for your version of the the Terminator universe rendered in an image, a flash animation, desktops, or icons. Anything relating to the Terminator universe is fair game: your version of the Terminator story,
alternate timelines, TX concept art (the TX is the Terminatrix in T3), Terminator drawings/animations/models, skynet visualizations and so on. Feel free to think out of the box and do your thing.

A few unavoidable rules: No copyrighted materials may be used (i.e. you haveto generate all content yourself). No porn or killing pets (we must abide by
MPAA rules). All artists will have to digitally sign a legal agreement with C-2 PICTURES (the Production Company producing the film) that gives them the
right to display/use the work and protects the Terminator brand (ie you can't start licensing Terminator t-shirts with your artwork). You will be able to use the artwork for promotional purposes. Obviously any featured
piece on our site will be exposed to a worldwide audience of Terminator fans."


The prize for the contest is a good one. TONS OF EXPOSURE!! winner of this contest will be included in a gallery of select professional artists on the Terminator 3 official Website. You will be able to include a short biography, your email, and links to your image in that gallery.

The Terminator 3 website will get millions of visitors. People from all industries will see and view your work if you win. This is a great opportunity to get your work out there and to get the exposure you need on an image of your own art direction.

The past thunderdome contests proved that we can rise to the occasion.

The artists from eatpoo are also eligible for this contest.

Do not let eatpoo take this prize from conceptart.org!

If you are an eatpoo.com artist...We dare you to try!

contest DEADLINE is JAN 1 2003
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Lets get it on!



jason and android
www.conceptart.org

PS..they may use this image for promotional use as well. Dont be surprised if it shows up on a tshirt or elsewhere. However this contest is unpaid. You do the illustration you get the exposure that you need to get your work seen. your name, email address, a short biography, a short description of the piece, a url to your site, and the actual piece/pieces of artwork will be on the site. This information will always be displayed with the artwork.

This is the kind of thing that can and may get you freelance work in the future. It is also the kind of thing that people all over the world will see.

you may use your image for promotional purposes. and there is nothing cooler than seeing your image in the big light as a featured artist on terminator3.com

android, jason, el coro, jaymz, and puddnhead are gonna be there as featured artists. JOIN US THERE!

there is a possibility of a tie..in which both winners would recieve their own featured artist section on the site


good luck all!


any questions you have...let em out here.


j

[amphex]

Maybe you could clarify this for me..
Are our designs of the Terminator supposed to be very similar to the way he is in the movies, or can we redesign him?

[Avetice]

bah now there is legal info to worry about!
Do we have to sign this agreement with them before we submit our entry? ...
Where do we submit our entry, do we post them in this thread or email them to you jason or email them to someone at terminator3.com?
I checked out terminator3.com there isn't anything about sending art to them on their website or anything about any digital agreement to sign.

[Jason Manley]

now avetice...why would you send it to terminator3.com? :mrt:

you submit here just like with every thunderdome contest.

they allowed me to bring another artist or two into the mix for the featured artist gallery. Rather than ask a previous winner we thought it would be a great idea to have a new winner get an opportunity for the exposure.

do not go contacting anyone...this is an exclusive opportunity for artists here on the art forums brought to you by android and myself through our direct and professional dealings with the producer of that site.

All images are to be posted here in this thread for submission to the contest. Judging will happen on jan 1 and the winner will be announced. the information to submit the work to their site will be passed along at that time.

amphex: if you redesign him...would he be terminator? hahaha as long as its terminator and terminator related I dont think it matters how you portray him.

make whatever you like...we will set the winner up with the necessary info.

as far as legal stuff...you are getting way ahead of yourself. you best just get painting or drawing or animating. got me? I have seen the agreement and basically what it says is that you agree that they can use your image on the site.

good luck all...lets get a great showing from our site...eatpoo will rise to the occasion. will you?


jason

PS..avetice..you do a nice image for the contest and Ill change your title to assistant manager!

[mcotie]

The wait was worth it, Thanx Jason!

Mitch

[gekitsu]

it's amazing to see how thunderdome contest rises and rises with every single round.
this is just number 4 and we're doing illustration work for the terminator series! everything started with a "lumpy" gladiator design contest, remember?

thank you all for making this possible...

[Fozzybar]

Nice idea...but i wish a better presentation of the results...the last contests one was disappointing to me...

[Avetice]

where is there more information on the terminator world? I don't see much about it on the site, just about t3. I mean where can i find some good information about the details of the terminator world, if they just drew robots that looked cool for the first movie or if they actually used anything plausible, what are the robots made out of, how do the substances in that world operate? etc etc etc

[I.was.ink]

All right this seems like its going to be fun. Okay, if we're going to paint the TERMINATOR wouldn't we have to use a picture of him as reference, but in the rules it says we can't use any copyrighted stuff. This is where I'm confused. The same thing applies for the machines and stuff, I'm not sure what I can use and what I can't. Sorry for not understanding, but I don't want to do something that isn't right, thanks.


P.S how can i change my AVATAR. Do I need to upload my image? thanks in advance!!!

[Jason Manley]

rent the movies to see what he looks like



you can use any stuff as reference...but the picture created has to be your own.....you dont slave to the reference...you look at it and use it....hmmm...he has red eyes...I guess Ill make my eyes red...hmmm his robot head is sorta like a skull...I better be sure mine looks sorta like a skull.


no trace...not cut and paste....that is what it means to NOT USE copyrighted materials. no steal....just look.


got me?


foz...will you be in charge of the presentation?



j

[Fozzybar]

jason, what do you mean exactly with this question?

How about "stealing" sound, when making a animation for example?

Ok, i think we got the thing with the red eye and the skull, but i guess most of us are not sure about the look of the terminator we are supposed to paint/draw. I mean are we allowed to create a new terminator, which has got the basic elements like metal, red eye, skull etc., but looking different...like a longer head (giger's alien f.e.), big claws, integrated weapons etc...?

[Jason Manley]

you can paint arnie...you can paint the terminator robot...it is for the terminator site in the end if you win...but it better not look like the photo from the movie poster...

different pose...new sunglasses...same jacket if you want....

if the eyes are red in the resource make em red...that is not stealing...that is using the resource. if the resource has a terminator standing in a junk pile and your image is of him picking up a helicopter and smashing it on a car then you didnt rip off the resource. is this making sense?

i see the gray area you are wondering about...how to make new stuff within the boundaries of a specific world...that is the key...if i was making a charlie brown cartoon for a company that owned the license and I copied the drawings of a previous cartoon to do it then that would be copyright infrigement...however..if I were to look at charlie brown and draw charlie brown and animate him doing new things then it would be a new cartoon in the charlie brown universe.

but if you copy the exact eyes from the picture for your own that looks just like the copyrighted pic...then I will send mcotie to your house to administer a good ass whoopin.

you dont want that.


deal?


j

[Fozzybar]

Mcotie would die with thirst...i have NO beer in my house...it would be a bigger torture for him than for me...hmmm...i thought the "Wardog"-thing is just a title of him...i never knew that he works for ca for this cases...

:beer: <- this is coke

Okay, i got the point mr.manley, but what did you mean with "foz...will you be in charge of the presentation?"...

[Batteram]

Sounds like a cool comp. Drawing machinary and metal is not my forte but I'll give it a go. I was thinking of maybe doing a standard battle scene or something. Hhm, all I need to do now is find reference pictures of what the damn robot looks like...
Oh yeah, and Jason, is there only going to be one winner? I reckon when the judging is finished you should pick a couple of finalists, that is, the best terminator pics, and post em on the site and then label the winner within those ranks. By the way, who is going to do the judging? you or the t3 production company?

[Cannibal80]

You can make a flash movie??? Cooool!

I'm thinking of an interactive take on the scenes in the previous movies where he (T800) takes himself apart and repairs stuff... the excellent gouging-out-the-eye scene in the first movie totally made history! And the part in T2 where he rips open his wrist to show his metal wristbones...

I hope the new movie will be more gritty hardcore and less fx-heavy... giant explosions are cool but tend to minimize the effects of other, more subtle, scenes.

:alien1:

[gekitsu]

basically, it's just:
"make an illustration for terminator 3"
isn't it?

why be complicated about things that are basically easy?

doesn't

Anything relating to the Terminator universe is fair game: your version of the Terminator story,
alternate timelines, TX concept art (the TX is the Terminatrix in T3), Terminator drawings/animations/models, skynet visualizations and so on. Feel free to think out of the box and do your thing.

say everything there is to know?

[amphex]

Jason : Can I get my title changed to "coolest guy EVER!" if i do a nice painting??!
ppppppppppppellllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeassssss ssseeeeeeeeeee!!!
=P

[prismacolor]

some refs...
terminator "dawn of fate" game and teaser movies
game art (http://www.skynetsite.com/html/dawn_of_fate.html)

skynet site (http://www.skynetsite.com/index.html)

terminator related comics (with a cover or two by our favorite artist... jon foster):
Dark Horse terminator world stuff (http://www.darkhorse.com/search/index.html?RES=1&K=0&METH=FORM&SUBMITSEARCH=1&SSTRING=terminator&AO=wa&FLD=0&SHW=ALL&GEN=&SRT=DATE&DISP=20&PRO=P&thumbs=on&DAT=ALL)

this should getcha goin'...

[jrr]

this sounds fun!

[Deth Jester]

This should be a good one.. Hope we get a ton of entries...

peace.

[ODIN SIX]

Count Me IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gekitsu]

just to make sure: pictures are to be posted in this thread when finished?
*rubs hands, ready to type image url*

[mcotie]

You go Gek'. Be the first on the battle field!!

mitch

[gekitsu]

here you go!

my entry (http://www.polycount.com/cottages/gekitsu/pimp/t3_geki_finish.jpg)


was a bit of a flickshot... second idea, second sketch (approx. 30 minutes after having read about the contest) plus 3 days of painting.

[pibb991]

i've been obsessed with the terminator since i was a kid.

gek- i love the feeling of heat and despair in that picture

evan

[amphex]

Awesome work gek, I love the tones and mood..very nice =)
Is the cat the terminator in disguise or something? lol

[Fozzybar]

gekitsu, wow, now THAT'S fast!

[I.was.ink]

yeah that looks really good. Wow and ur fast too.

[gekitsu]

thanks all. let's hope the best fo conceptart this time.

amphex: heh, i always was wondering if machines build strolling cats after they rule the earth...
kinda like "do robots dream of electric sheep" or something like that. :)

[vudu]

little question:

should this concept be a full-colored painting only? or monochromatic images are accepted too?

(i dont mean B\W only maybe blue\white or smth)

[Jason Manley]

do what you like color wise....but a full color will usually stand above something monochrome unless your drawing is just that good...if ya know what i mean.


j

[davi]

metal nipples.

[Cannibal80]

Gekitsu: Are all cats to be terminated in your future, then?

Davi: I so hope T3 is NOT going to be like those last couple of Batman movies... metal nipples would fit right in in those.

[Skello]

hmmm!!..mechs, androids, and all the sweet mechanics
T 106 to T 1999 not explored yet ....bzzzt!!

[mtomczek]

I kind of had the same question about media. This will be my first attempt at a thunderdome contest, and was wondering if it has to be a digital painting or if it could be any other form of media. I myself, as an industrial design student, happen to be rather fluent with prismacolor markers. Are we allowed to submit an entry that is done traditionally?? :confused:

[Fozzybar]

I think it's not a prob at all, if you want to make something non-digital...

But nobody answerde to my question...again:
What about sounds and music? Are we allowed to use the original music and sounds from the terminator-movies? :confused:

[mtomczek]

Sweet! :cool: Then count me in guys! the terminator is such an awesome idea. One idea i had for really good, hands on reference would be the new t-800 action figure from mcfarlane toys. I couldnt think of anything better for physical reference of the terminator, and better yet you can pose him virtually anyway you want! good luck guys.... and "I'll Be Back"!

[gekitsu]

stupid lil question inbetween:

how is it about posting thunderdome entries in other forums?
should we wait for the deadline? should we post it there at all?
anything special in this round concerning this issue as we are working in a copyrighted universe?

[amphex]

Noone answered my question lol
If I do a super duper submission, can I get a super duper title?
Cuz this "veteran" one really doesnt seem to fit.
Trust me, im no veteran =P
Anyways, I cant wait to see everyones piece..Im working on a little sum'n of my own...I hope it turns out g-..err..i just hope it turns out ;).

[Lono]

i think your title should read, "super duper, pain in the pooper"
that too long?
:D

-Lono

[StephenC]

does anyone know who the original concept artist for terminator was?

[ChadTHX1138]

I thought James Cameron was the concept artist for the first Terminator, but I am probably wrong.

[eggbeater]

James Cameron is a writer/director, not an artist. He directed and wrote the Terminator films (including the upcoming release) among many other movies.

[Nimrod]

James Cameron is actually a halfway decent artist. Though based of course on Giger's work, The alien queen from Aliens is his own design. He also drew all of Leonardo diCaprio's sketches from Titanic.
Not sure about Terminator, but my hero Doug Chiang worked on T2.

[Lono]

amphex: aaaaahahahahahahahaha!
blessed powers that be!@!

you have been anointed!

i cant help but feel that i somehow helped you obtain this rightious title..

your on the high rung now my friend... nothing but wine and women from here out.
:thumbsup:

-Lono

[Azazel]

Stan Winston was the original concept artist for the Terminator. I remeber an interview where he said he designed so that it would fit exactly inside Arnould's body.

[PhilHolland]

James Cameron did some of the concept work on T2.
And yeah he's a pretty good artist. I've seen
some of his other work on the net. He is also a
big fan of good artwork. I recall that he spent
a bit of money hiring this guy who only painted
the Titanic to do most of the design stuff on Titinic.
I have the book at home. Can't remember his name.

Phil

[pibb991]

this is my first digital painting, i just got a wacom a little over a week ago.

http://www.echord.net/slant.jpg

[ChadTHX1138]

James cameron is a pretty good artist he started out in Fx and such. Before going on to directing he worked as the Art Director on "Battle Beyond the Stars" also was a miniature designer and constructor on the same film.

He was also a Matte painter on "Escape from New York"

He was also uncredited as the Designer of the queen Alien in ALIEN's

here is a link to James Cameron's credits (http://us.imdb.com/Name?Cameron,%20James#miscellaneousX20crew)

I thought I saw an interview with Stan Winston saying Cameron designed the terminator. Now it's eating at me to know for sure.

[Fozzybar]

pibb991:

The Terminator on the left is too prominent...think about a focus, a small area...currently there is no focus, since every part is eye-catching...

Also think about the structure and texture of the things you want to paint/draw. Terminators are made of metal...go for a more steel-like look, avoid washy looks. Same to the lights/laser. Currently it looks, as if the whole scenery is under water...
First make a rough sketch of your composition...think about starting to paint if you are pleased...also use different colors...it is possible to make good paintings with one color (monochrome), but it's much harder than the other way.
Enough said...2 weeks for you to make another cool entry!


Where are the other entries btw...slowly they should come...as for me, i don't think, i'll enter this time...

Don't forget, there is an outstanding account! Since this is a Terminator related contest, let's say it this way!

EATPOO! IT'S JUDGEMENT DAY!

[gekitsu]

eatpoo?

yeaaaah?

*BOOM*

[redehlert]

I'm anxiously awaiting the results of the artistic prowess of this crew vs. eatdookie.
Not sure if you have had an opportunity to see the new trailer, but maybe it will give a bit of an edge/creative genesis.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/t3/

Good luck and wreak havoc.

d

[ODIN SIX]

redehlert ::

Awsome ,,,, Now I can make an evil Terminator female...
I just completely changed my whole design concept.....

:beer:

[redehlert]

Happy to give out the 411, Odin Six.
Good luck!

d

[Fozzybar]

411?

[Jason Manley]

hahahha....sorry fozz...that is american slang.

when you need telephone "information" you dial 411

so when people say I need information...or thank you for the information they might say "I need the 411" or "thanks for the 411"

[Fozzybar]

Ah...ok...thanks for the 411 then, jason! :)

[ODIN SIX]

Fozzybar

I am kinda disappointed that you are not partaking in this one ...

I was looking forward to seeing what you come up with

To each his own I guess

[Fozzybar]

Sorry, Odin, the last thing, i want to is disappointing you ;)

...but:

1. I will be gone for 10 days and i have no pc there (omg, i don't know how to survive this...)

2. I am incapable in drawing things like machines, robots, vehicles etc.

3. I wouldn't care about point 2 that much, if i have had the time and a great idea.

First I was thinking about a flash-film...but i think i'll be in next td...

[John P.]

Ok, I'm going to enter this one. :)

I'm working on a piece now, which I'm getting more and more happy with. When it's done(probably pretty close to deadline), shall I post it in this thread, or in the Finally Finished forum, or can I post it in both?

[redehlert]

I told you gurus about the trailer, but did you go to the web site and see the flash stuff on T3? Click on 'enter the site' and have fun!
MAN! Be sure to watch the intro stuff. Hope this helps refine any 'gray' areas some may have.

http://www.terminator3.com/

Can't wait to see!

d

[John P.]

Mmm, I think I made a boo-boo in the Finished pieces thread. I posted my finished pic, but also gave the acompanying comment with it(story behind it and such).

So help us out here: Should I have posted the image here first, with my comments and your comments, and then posted it again in the Finished thread, or is it OK that I also gave my comment there?
Is the Finished pieces thread for images only?


And while I'm posting....

I really hope there are more images coming, 'cause three finished ones aren't really very impressive.... http://home.online.no/~johmoe/smilies/erm.gif

Would be nice to get some feedback too, btw...

[mcotie]

NG. what you did was fine. We'd just like top keep the chatting back and forth done in the discussion thread and post the art (and a brief description if neccessary) in the finals thread. I looked at your piece and it's awesome. I like the 3D model/interface look. very cool. I'll be posting mine soon. Justa few minor things I'm finishing up on.

mitch

[John P.]

Thanks. :)

Now I have a bit of a problem, 'cause I've now made a version where the human side of the face has blood stains on it, and there's a computer text analysis box next to it saying what bloodtype it is and from who it is.

First off I thought I shouldn't add blood stains, 'cause it's a CAT scan after all, and a CAT scan can't detect blood stains. But then again, a current CAT scan can't detect single strands of hair or the colour of your eyes or skin either, so this is obviously a CAT scan done on a futuristic, much more advanced CAT scan machine.

(although it's signed with 2002, but that kinda has to be that way....)

I'm just unsure which one to use now...

Can I post this new version in here?

EDIT:

GAH!!! me ------> :bash: <------ also me!

I was worried about posting such a large image in here, especially when I have already submitted in the finished thread, but it didn't occur to me that I can of course LINK to the new version, so you can see how it looks if you want.

So here's the URL to the new version....well, not really a new version, just added what I said above:
[url removed now]

Which one is better?

EDIT 2: I finally went for the one with blood stains. See it in the other thread.

[mcotie]

My twizted mind likes the bloody one better. But post the one YOU like. don't get analysis paralysis, just pick the one you like and update your post in the finshed work thread.

Mitch

[John P.]

Amazing work in there Mitch! :eek:

And the others too! :) :chug:


Looks to be a good contest after all. :)

I went for the bloodstains after all, but have changed a few minor errors and made the image a bit darker.

[redehlert]

hey mcotie,

stellar entry for your poster!
me likey.
i didn't know if you were going to do any further refining, but if you do, my sole suggestion is defining the neck a bit. she's a strong gurl, but her neck lacks the tough scm (sternocleidomastiod) muscle that goes from the base of the skull to the clavicle and sternum. aside from that - she's one twisted sister!

now i need a beer.
peace!
d

[gekitsu]

yea mitch! yours is killer!
the only thing i'd mention in a critiquing way is the metal skull part: the teeth arrangement looks a bit off and the skull has a very rounded overall feeling. not as harsh and tough as the girl is.

but... is that grilled cat i smell?

[Batteram]

.

[Aleksi]

Just to add a little contribution to the question :
Cameron had drawn himself the Terminator concept (same thing for the Aliens queen ). He is a skilled artist ( he actually begans with SFX and matte paintings ) , maybe better drawer than Stan Winston. Even if you can dislike his renderings, he is an absolute maniac for details and he went to Stan Winston with the whole endoskeleton drawn...

He first did some concept arts depicting the Terminator with Lance Henriksen face. He initially meant the cast for him, before meeting Arnie and transforming the whole concept from a passe-partout and discreet hunter-killer to a more impressive bodybuilded killing machine

You can find some of his concept arts in the book "Behind the Mask, the secrets of Hollywood monster makers ", Titan Books

[Loga4]

Heh,thx Alexi for that info.
P.S don`t you dare to skip this round of Thunderdome,
or to be late like last time:D :D :D ,please?

[Aleksi]

Loga4 :
I'll try ! :)
But it will be hard to deliver the piece on time because of maybe too much dinner parties, glasses to drink...at this moment :D
The judgment day is too close !!

[Loga4]

Hehe,yes I know,same manner
here as for parties and dinners,
and drinking,of course:D
Anywayz,I will try to draw something.
Cheers!

[Jason Manley]

we are discussing extending the deadline to the fifteenth of jan because of the holidays.

just thought Id let ya know.


j

[Batteram]

So, the deadlines extended to the 15th now?
Well, I guess the comp was bad timing because eatpoo have got jack all for their concepts. Well, I was going to crop my picture because I wouldn't have enough time to finish it, but since its been extended I guess I can have a go at finishing the entire pic then.

[Loga4]

Extending the deadline would be so
good,please do that Jason,I think that
most people here will participate then.
:chug:

[ODIN SIX]

Excellent on the Extended deadline....

Are we allowed to post WIP's on here too get feed back,,,
Or wait til "Judgement Day"???

[John P.]

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but can each member submit more than one piece if he/she wants, or is it a one submission per member only kinda thing?

Now that the deadline may be the 15th...

[imager777]

Was the deadline extended to Feb. 1st.?

[John P.]

Erhm......you guys!?

Eatpoo may only have three submitted pieces so far, but they already have us beat with that piece by ELLioT, IMO. :eek:

Go over there and have a look.

Wow.

[mcotie]

excuse me ye of little faith, These are nice pieces from eatpoo. But the critiques from other eaters of poo ring true.

If you are a true conceptartorgian: Never, I say NEVER speak of losing in this forum.

he he

Mitch

[Smeagol71]

I'll second that Mitch! We saw a little of this the last Thunderdome and it aggravated me to death! Stand up and be proud Conceptorgians!!!!

[John P.]

Woah there! I didn't know there was this kind of animosity between the two forums. :eek:

Is it really this serious?

I'm proud to be a member here, but I've seen lots of conceptorgians posting over there as well.

So what's the story?

My post was just made out of admiration of what ELLioT had made over there(although I'm wondering why that one tile in the floor is black when it should be white...).

I'll watch my mouth in the future...(I have registered there, but not posted yet).

[gekitsu]

ng: the relation 'tween eatpoo and conceptart is like orcs and dwarves (we being the dwarves of course ;)).
we fight we'ever we can and proud be ye to have joined the right army to fight in.
what you speak of people posting here and over there *points toward eatpoo* is an issue that is unworthy of posting! they are crossbred bastards, trying to take advantage of both sides!
so stand we, our many-notched brushes, pencils and wacom-stylusses in our hand, ready to fell the dogs of the other side...

j/k... nah man... it's not that serious, it's just that the two forums (that both feature great artists, no discussion about that) have that "vs." tag inbetween them since two rounds of thunderdome. it's taken a bit on the funny side of things, though.
eatpoo -> :chug: <- conceptart

(does it shine through that i have read r.a. salvatore books for half the night?)

[Batteram]

To be honest I don't think Elliots is all that good.
I mean he just used a Vermeer painting for reference to do the background and the way it is painted is kinda amaeturish. I think your just saying Elliots painting is good Ng because everyone at Eatpoo said so. But, I would oppose your opinion and say that Mcoties piece totally rips Elliots piece apart. Not because I am a Conceptorgian, but because Mcotie is just more a skilfull painter and it looks better and I like it more.
I am not going to brag about my entry either because I am not that type, but judge for yourself :)

[John P.]

He he, no Batteram, I'm not that weak to 'peer pressure'; I liked ELLiOT's piece before they started praising it.

I liked the motive he had used, and that it looked like one of the old paintings.

I'm embarrassed to say that since I'm not educated in art, just have been drawing all my life, I didn't know he had used Vermeer as a reference. :o
(I hadn't looked at his original size image yet when I posted here either)

When knowing that, I'd say that the pieces here are more original indeed. And Mcotie's one is great, no doubt(and I said so when he had just posted it), as is yours(is it all painted btw, or is it photomontage w/painting? Either way it's very good. :))

Thank you gekitsu for the clarification. ;)

[mcotie]

Hey NG, just having fun, and trying to keep up morale! We need a win under our belt!

I post on Eatpoo too (once). Just keeping up foreign relations.

Mitch

[ODIN SIX]

Conceptorgians,,,,

The troops will rally, and we will stand united as one...

Fear not, We will march all nite and attack at dawn!!!! :rambo:
After the smoke has cleared, we will be victorious. So what they have one good painting....
That should not distract us from our objective, only make us strave harder to be THE BEST!!!!!

ODIN SIX

[amphex]

Its all over..its Jan 1!
and we dont have that many entries..
and im not finished with mine =\

[Jason Manley]

the deadline is extended to jan 15

happy new year


j

[amphex]

oh..lol...=X

[imager777]

the deadline is extended to jan 15


Ok, now I am worried. eatpoo says it's 1 Feb. 2003 and you say it's 15 Jan. 2003. Could somebody lay this to rest, and straighten it out on both boards?

[Jason Manley]

i will get it cleared up and post the actualy deadline soon...it will be at least the fifteenth though.


j

[mcotie]

I took advantage of the deadline extension and made some last minute changes to my peice and updated it. Thanks for the crits guys.

Mitch

[Sadclown]

Wow, I just had to stop in here really quick and congratulate all of you. This is the best thunderdome I've seen so far. McCotie, Kyri, Dan Mulligan, and everyone else... FAn-fucking-tastic pieces!!!

I looked at Eatpoo. They don't stand a chance.

Beautiful work guys. I'm proud to be a member of these forums.

[ODIN SIX]

I also made a few tweeks too .... I would like some crits on
it before the 15th ... if there is anything I should change or not.... Best of luck Conceptorgians :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Fozzybar]

I hate this separation of the pix and the discussion about the images sections....it's not handy...

OdinSix:
Generally you should tweak the edges of the shapes...the lines are too bumpy, need some volume...therefore they make the whole part look as if you cut and pasted it...

Think about the screen displays in the background...the graphics on the screens are computergenerated, so you should attend to make the lines not sketch like, but very accurate...this niceties and details decide often on the quality of the image!

You also should lower the focus on unimportant parts like the skirt, this purple metallic door frame (?) on the left etc, to get your focus on the important things...desaturating is one way, especially at this pic :p!

This should be enough at first for the next steps...

[ELLioT]

Hi all!
Batteram: Thanx for the expert comments. I love your piece too, very original work...
About VerMeer, I'd like to add that I did not use just 1 but many pieces as reference. Here they are:
http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/v/vermeer/index.html
As you can see, I'm far from the perfection of the master :) (I mean VerMeer of course, not you, Batteram)

Good work all, and best luck for the contest. :D

[John P.]

Lol - if I had known "everyone" would have the torn off face thing in their pieces, I would've done something different... :D

Oh well.

[mtomczek]

way too many people doing the "half a face missing" thing. man one would think that they would have climbed out of the box on this one........ :)

[amphex]

is it over yet?

[John P.]

January 21st, last I heard.

Why that specific date, I don't know.

[eggbeater]

Umm, it has to be some specific date, does it not? Or would you prefer the deadline just be "uhh, whenever"? :P

[John P.]

Heh - yeah. :p

I dunno....I guess I meant that the original date was the 1st, the second date I heard was the 15th, "round numbers" in the start and middle of the month.

So I would've though it would be the 20th when they set a new date, since that's a "round number" and is also a Monday(the start of the week).

Ummm.....something like that! :D

[ODIN SIX]

Marquis

I like your entry ,,,, Very Nice!!!!!

Your Web site Rocks too!!!!:beer: :thumbsup:

[mcotie]

Stalecracker, I know you were debating it earlier but glad you posted it. It's a great piece!!

Also. call me slow, but now I figured out where I've seen your art before, Heavy Metal, Summer 2000 issue, F.A.K.K. 2 concept stuff. I love that issue. Great stuff!

Mitch

[stalecracker]

Thanks for the compliment Mitch. That Heavy Metal thing was a NIGHTMARE. *Brrrrrrrrrr*

[Aleksi]

Is it really today the last day to submit T4T3 artpieces ?
Or did I miss something ?
There isn't a lot of artpieces at this time...
Just compared to the last one thunderdome...
Can somebody tell me if I'm wrong ?

[Loga4]

Well,I don`t know whats happening...on eatpoo
they said January 21.but was that really term,
we must ask Jason.Is it Jason?
Anyways,you are right,there aren`t many
posts in this round.

[John P.]

Well, it was Jason who corrected them at eatpoo and said the final deadline was the 21st of January, when they posted a thread giving the wrong date.

I think a deadline is a deadline, but..... :rolleyes:


Doesn't look like eatpoo has taken this one seriously, btw, apart from a few entries.

[Jason Manley]

thats it...the entries are in.

we will have them judged...the winner gets a spot on terminator 3's website.

puddnhead did one for conceptart too...though he has a spot on the t3 site already. I have to bug him to post it...



j

[Batteram]

shit alexi, I wouldn't be surprised if you win this comp. I really like the second piece the best. Eatpoo has got nothing on our conceptart entries...
Great job everyone.

[Loga4]

I`m overjoyed,no shit!
Alexi your are the WINER,no doubt.
I like everything about bouth pieces.
Pure success!

[Avetice]

bah serves me right for thinking too much then not put an enviroment in *sighs*,...and relying too much on reference, anyway, gj everyone can't wait for the next TD.
BE PREPARED MY FIGURES RAPIDLY GROW IN SKILL FROM 19 HOUR WEEKS OF PURE FIGURE!!!!!!!.....just gimme a few years at this rate and ill whoop everyone :D.....back to my work just gotta stop by every now and then :D
by the way did I say GJ everyone cause the entries showed some great control of the subject.

[Aleksi]

Is there any news, any result, any resume of the contest ?
It seems like it's dead...

[Avetice]

*ponders about the agreement jason made about changing my title*
...
*looks for a second*
...
nope still the same title!
:hmm:

...*goes back to studies*

[John P.]

Congrats Aleksi - you were certainly a worthy winner(although I liked your other entry better).

How could we other poor people compete with that?

Well - speaking for myself at least.


Yours, Mcotie's, and Elliot's pieces were my bets as to who would win, with a couple of underdogs. So I guess I was right.


:thumbsup:


-Would've been nice to see who was the runner up's though - but I guess it didn't work that way this time.

[mcotie]

Wo! Aleksi congrats bro!! wicked piece.

mitch

[ODIN SIX]

:bow: Congats Aleksi !!!!!!!

Your peices totally Kicked Ass ,,, Thanks for Bringin the Trophy Home !!!

:chug: :beer: :chug:

[mosquito]

Hi to all here, just thought that some of you may not be aware of the fact that Alex Ross completed a series of Terminator artworks for a company known as 'Now Comics'.
The title of the 5 part series was called 'The Burning Earth' and was also combined as a graphic novel { trade paper back)
These were produced around 1990's and are hard to find.

Alex also produced all of the internal art for each comic, and this realy is his early work.
He has a webb site.

WWW.Alexrossart.com

I like to see what you guy's here think about his treatment of this subject, although not T3, it has a female Terminator, who looks alot like Sindy Crawford.

[mosquito]

Originally posted by Azazel
Stan Winston was the original concept artist for the Terminator. I remember an interview where he said he designed so that it would fit exactly inside Arnould's body.


The Endoskeleton is a combination of old ideas, Stan Winston
seems to have 'borrowed' Ray Harryhausen's,Jason and the Argonauts skeletons that are impossible to defeat,( i wonder what film also has the same foe like this??)
Add red lights in the eyes and you get close to what must have inspired Stan winston the special effects master.
Now the chromuium treatment i believe is from the old Film /Tv series Battle Star Galactica, the one red eye'd Cylon Warriors dressed in chrome.
Combine the two and you get a Terminator Endoskeleton.

If you have thank any one person for the Terminator, it must be Ray Harryhausen creator of Jason and the Argonauts.

[ELLioT]

Well deserved congrats to Aleksi and to all who entered. :chug:

John P : Thanx for your support, dude.:cool:

[themexican]

I wanted to introduce myself. I'm the producer of Terminator 3.com, and the featured artist project was my baby. We've been impressed by the work you guys have done here and are jazzed to be presenting Aleksi as a featured artist on our site. His piece was totally kick ass and has proved to be an instant favorite.

I think we will be featuring a few other members of this site in our featured artist section in the near future.

Also note that we are still accepting fan artwork for consideration (icons, desktops, images, flash pieces, & winamp skins), through this url: http://fanart.terminator3.com

Again thanks for you interest and participation. We hope to see more of your work soon. We have lots of good stuff in the pipeline so stay tuned.

[cabertevon]

Hi,

I'm cabertevon.

" themexican " mention about this "Also note that we are still accepting fan artwork for consideration (icons, desktops, images, flash pieces, & winamp skins), through this url: http://fanart.terminator3.com".

I experience multiple error in uploading my contribution art.

Any tip?

[John P.]

They are having problems with that uploading page.

I haven't submitted fanart per say, but themexican offered me to be in the featured artists section, and I tried to use that page to upload my submission as well. And I couldn't, 'cause I got error messages that weren't applicable to me(for instance it said my file was too big, which it wasn't).

I got it uploaded anyway, but I can't tell you how(I could, but then I'd have to kill you. ;)).

I think you should either send an e-mail to the site and tell them about your problems, or ask the question on the message board over there. It's a known problem, and I'd think they're working to fix it.

When you do get to uploading it, be aware that it might still take some time before it appears on the site, and it may not appear at all, because all submissions are screened first for content and quality.

Good luck. :)

[cabertevon]

Thanks a lot John P.

Your kindness is highly appreciated.

But, the thought of killing me? No problem. i'm a droid.

Anyway thanks.