Ghost Rider VS. Wolverine

[arghmisfit]

Yes i know it looks odd how ghost rider isnt getting jolted back but that is just cuz i wanted to show how tough ghost rider realy is


http://img23.photobucket.com/albums/v69/arghmisfit/gversusw.jpg

[Teknoholic]

This is like a modern day Mona Lisa. I'm serious, this is the most sophisticated and eloquent piece of artwork that I've seen probably EVER! And I mean EVER ever.

It reminds me of the time that I saw this totally tough dude get punched in the face and he didn't move at all because he was totally tough. WOW! You have really captured an emotional moment for me, and I think it's safe to say everyone here will agree.

IF YOU THINK THIS IS AWESOME, POST AND TELL THIS FINE ARTIST HOW AWESOME HE IS!

[superdoopulous]

Sorry about that guy, his parents were both killed by claws to the face, and he is a little sensitive about it. Next time I would make Ghost rider being punched in the face from both sides by two X-men, then he look even more powerful, and he wouldn't be knocked back.

[Teknoholic]

You know, I thought about it... It's like Ghostrider is our President George W. Bush and Batman is Osamma Been Laddun. Like Osahma flies a plane STRAIGHT into the President's head and George, man, he doesn't care, he just smiles because he's so badass and America is TOTALLY badass and he knows that he's about 0.000003 seconds away from totally flipping out and killing Batman totally HARD.

[trevor]

i love you teknoholic

[H.H.V.]

Sarcasme is worse then blowing his head off with comments...

[trevor]

its not worse its better

[arghmisfit]

i want honest opinions not sarcasm!:mad:

[superdoopulous]

Sorry about that. Honestly though, try and make Ghost rider's body not directly from the side view. Maybe you could make him looking at the claws or Wolverine like he doesn't give a crap, so it's a little more obvious that he is having a reaction at all. Maybe even give just his head and neck a little knockback.

[arghmisfit]

to late since its inked but i will take it into consideration for my next piece

[DanSTC]

If you want my honest opinion, I think you need the same thing that all other people who copy surface style from popular comic artists - you need to do a lot of study of life drawing, anatomy, volume, placement, three-dimensional form, etc. (I'm talking years and years of study here, mind you.) This image shows almost all the mistakes that are common of people who try to learn surface style without learning anything about the foundation that goes underneith that surface.

[Dynamic]

aren't Wolvy's claws adamantium again? or are they still bone?...just wondering.

as for the peeksha, the side-veiw doesn't make it very DYNAMIC. Trust me, i know something about dynamicism...if that's a word. If you want to convey the sense that Ghosty is unaffected by Wolvy's strike, try adding some sort of "aww....shit" reaction to Wolvy's face.

The final problem with the peeksha is that Wolvy would kick Ghosty's pasty, hog-ridin' arse

PS: Wolverine should probably do something about that nasty spider web hanging off of his arm :o

[Scubasteve]

Dang, some of you guys are going to hell!

Nothing can take the place of years of practice, but thats no reason to be discouraged. My advice is the same as Dan's. Draw everyday. I would limit how much I look at comic art and try to reproduce it though. Comics, give the impression of form, shape and volume using line and various other techniques, but unless you have an understanding of the basic principles of drawing, you won't understand the out come. In other words, its like watching only the last five minutes of a movie, you don't know what has lead up to this point, you only see the end result. But if you take the time to understand form and anatomy, you see and understand the entire movie, so to speak. I hope this makes sence. Keep on drawing!!!! :D

[JFS]

i strongly dislike comicbook-style (stuff from marvel etc)

[charger]

Originally posted by Teknoholic
You know, I thought about it... It's like Ghostrider is our President George W. Bush and Batman is Osamma Been Laddun. well then who the hell is wolvarine and where the hell is batman












but it looks good keep up the good work

[Amish Rake Fight Man]

Umm yeah. I will just continue to lurk.

[deviousg]

When I clicked on this link, I was expecting some vibrant full blown color spread, wolverine locked in battle with Ghost Rider at 120 miles an hour - Ghost Rider's head a blazing inferno...

This could become that.

Concept is good. Think about the scene, and perspective - use as much reference as you can. There is some attention to line weight, although it looks kind of random. Study faces and expression, how wrinkles work, etc..
life drawing..

I would probably post in the wip section - get more feedback there.

Golden age marvel rocks. Look at how much of that stuff is in circulation, even now.

[martist]

i agree with the above post, you said earlier for your next piece you will take these comments into considreration, i say screw the next piece, do this one over and then you can proceed.. only then you will learn. also like mentioned before look at some anatomy books, pics of skulls , and stuff like that look at lighting, shapes and all that , there are alot of spots in this drawing that are flat, due to using solid black shapes, keep trying it will get better.

[myucka]

It doesn't look too bad. I like your inking..The textures are pretty nice and you've got a promising piece going.

One thing I notice, that has not been mentioned is the actual swing of Wolvies claws....realistically, if he swung his claws like that, it would not punch a whole through Ghost Rider, but instead make like an axe chop.

There is a lot that goes on in a picture. Not just line and form and composition, but also more analitical crap...dynamics, body joint limitations, atmosphere and the like.

This is a good idea, but now that you have this...take it to a new level.

[elevenrequiem]

Originally posted by deviousg
This could become that.

..but then again, sometimes its best to just start over.

[Nadim]

Well.. DanSTC and Scubasteve said it all - keep practicing and good luck .



Originally posted by Teknoholic

IF YOU THINK THIS IS AWESOME, POST AND TELL THIS FINE ARTIST HOW AWESOME HE IS!
Learn some manners !!

[winjer]

wtf batman owns. No way in hell could osama bin laden own him.

[JEQ]

I know that Wolverine is short as far as comic book characters go, but I don't think he's that short. Unless Ghost Rider is floating or standing on a stepstool or something.

[Rimshot]

If it makes you feel any better, when i post i get 1..maybe 2 replies...youve got 23!:p Dont let people discourage you.

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by winjer
wtf batman owns. No way in hell could osama bin laden own him.

Yeah, Batman doesn't let politics stifle him, so he would've gone into afghanistan and got him right after the 9/11 attacks instead of stalling to look for a reason to invade iraq.

Unfortunately, arch-fiend The Rumsfeld likely would've attempted to stall Batman in an elaborate and easily escapable diabolical beaureacratic torture device, thus allowing The Towelhead to evade capture along with his inexplicably similarly dressed goons.

[Anemos the Storm]

Good start! I would agree with those who say go ahead and remake it. Repetition and flow are your greatest teachers. Make it better than the previous one. Glad you have the guts to post and learn.
And as far as the sarcastic/wannabe do nuthin politicians. /ignore.
I think this is much better than, say, a sketch of a 'taped peice of paper'

keep up the good work!

[MuffinMan]

i really don't like marvel or DC...DarkHorse and Image comics are better cause they have much more interesting stories such as spawn, Hellboy, etc.....evn better is manga!!!
MANGA RULES IT IS THE BEST COMIC STYLE IN HISTORY....ALL U MARVEL AND DC COMICS BOW DOWN TO MANGA'S KNEES!

[sixBlade]

people only like anime/manga because its so easy to learn without knowing next to anything about anatomy and still producing -ok- looking pieces (which can also be completely anatomically incorrect sometimes...

You can't discount the amazing level of some of marvels artwork, its more difficult to draw and looks far more dynamic and interesting than stripy bright coloured lined backgrounds with cutesy upturned-U eyed faces. A lot of manga is just as annoying.

[Ale]

Originally posted by sixBlade
people only like anime/manga because its so easy to learn without knowing next to anything about anatomy and still producing -ok- looking pieces (which can also be completely anatomically incorrect sometimes...

You can't discount the amazing level of some of marvels artwork, its more difficult to draw and looks far more dynamic and interesting than stripy bright coloured lined backgrounds with cutesy upturned-U eyed faces. A lot of manga is just as annoying.


Sure American comics can be awesome!! Some artists are incredible.....but you must admit some manga artists are awesome too. Don't go saying it's all easy to draw, that you don't need anatomy skills to draw it........yes! you really don't need if you gonna draw childish anime like Pokémon or those other "cute" styles, that are usually done for KIDS, so don't need to be that good. But there are MANY other amazing artists drawing anime style. Specially for games. If you think anime is still easy to draw, try to draw like that http://studiosis.com/3rdBASS/joker.jpg hehehehe Visit this site http://studiosis.com/3rdBASS/ .....ever heard about Jo Chen too? http://www.jo-chen.com there are too much out there....
And maybe they like it, coz it's charismatic? hehehe :P

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by MuffinMan
i really don't like marvel or DC...DarkHorse and Image comics are better cause they have much more interesting stories such as spawn, Hellboy, etc.....evn better is manga!!!
MANGA RULES IT IS THE BEST COMIC STYLE IN HISTORY....ALL U MARVEL AND DC COMICS BOW DOWN TO MANGA'S KNEES!

This is sarcasm, right? (If it is, TOO BAD...I feel like launching into a rant anyway, at least for arghmisfit's benefit.)


The only thing manga artists have up on Americans is lots of creative freedom and cultural acceptance. Sadly, the vast majority of manga features awkwardly juvenile or pedestrian-level artwork. (Note: And/or writing, for that matter.) That's not to say they aren't always worth reading, just that you probably shouldn't expect to learn how to draw from them. Much like the superhero artists here, Japanese manga artists have more than their share of inbred bad habits that come from being relatively isolated all these years. However, many Americans don't notice these cultural cliches and bad habits, seeing the Japanese manga style as fresh because they're not used to it.

Fortunately, there ARE plenty of good manga artists out there that are worth learning stuff from, or taking in as influences. Still, people very often make the same mistake with manga as they do with superhero comics here and assume there's some sort of inherent magical shortcut that'll make all their drawings good if they only practice surface style. They confuse style with the undercurrent - the practiced skill behind the surface style.

Style is really just icing on the cake...it's the hard effort and careful study that goes into the cake that really matters. The expert manga artists of Japan are some of the hardest-working comic artists in the world, and they almost always studied for years to get that good. Their emergent styles, especially from the most skilled, are so advanced and dynamic that the sheer fluidity and/or mastery of subtlety of the most skilled manga artists easily outstrips the majority of American comic art on basis of execution alone. But again, this was the result of years of hard work and study. More people need to recognize that this is what makes an artist a good artist, not merely being exposed to good work, or work that you enjoy, or some magic pill of "talent" that you swallow at a young age. So yeah, by all means go for artists that you admire...more importantly study from ones suited to your level, and try to learn HOW and WHY they do what they do. Above all, don't merely copy surface style, or you'll be doomed to mediocrity, failure, and frustration.

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by sixBlade
people only like anime/manga because its so easy to learn without knowing next to anything about anatomy and still producing -ok- looking pieces (which can also be completely anatomically incorrect sometimes...

You can't discount the amazing level of some of marvels artwork, its more difficult to draw and looks far more dynamic and interesting than stripy bright coloured lined backgrounds with cutesy upturned-U eyed faces. A lot of manga is just as annoying.

Manga, at least the majority of it, is essentially just nothing more than high-production-speed (and often low-quality) cartooning, which is essentially exactly what American comic artists do. To that end, there ARE skilled manga artists who do have a firm grasp of anatomy/proportion/composition/perspective, because like American artists, they spent years studying it...which is why they can bust out such great drawings at high production speeds, as like any skilled artist, it's all pretty much become intuitive to them.

Oh yeah, and here's something to think about: While there are plenty of people here who obsess over Japanese artists ability to do things like exagerrating expression in their cartooning, there are also many Japanese who obsess over the American's ability to render such quasi-realistic characters in their comics. The cultural envy goes both ways.
On a somewhat related note, there's been a push more recently by many artists in manga/anime to achieve a less-cartooney more-realistic look, which seems to be running parallel to the American movement to achieve a less-realistic more-cartooney (or manga-ish) look. Overall, I rather like this cultural cross-breeding, though it has produced some rather inept offshoots every now and then.

[trevor]

sixblade, youve obviously never seen
yukito kishiro
katsuhiro otomo
or masamune shirows work
otherwise you wouldnt have made that statement
not one marvel artist can hold a candle to their work or writing
(thats right they do it ALL themselves)
and many marvel artists know next to nothing about anatomy

[MrSmith]

allow me to end this discussion by saying that comic book style and manga style BOTH SUCK AN UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNT OF ASS. they were cool back in the 80s but now they are just bland.


get your own style for christ's sake.

hmmmm, or better yet, someone needs to figure out how to combine the triangle noses and amazing expanding mouths of anime with the spandex costumes of american comics and then you've got a HUGE TALENT.

[IronClad]

What a lame reason for ghost-rider to remain still. By saying so you are infact impying that Wolverine is a pussy and he cant even throw a descent punch. Or am I wrong...

[Hale]

this thred is geting ridiculous. I'm not a huge fan of an9me or mange but I can respect the art and stories that they make. I am also a huge "American" comics fan as well and I can;t believe that people can bash an entire art form when it is composed of some very dedicated and original artsits. I can't even really see hoe people can say a "Marvel" or "DC" style when every artist is much different (with a few exceptions). In every media there are the really really good workjs and then the not-so good works. Hellboy and 100 Bullets are amazing works of both writing and art (Mignola does many BY himslef as well) as is the art of Frank Miller, Travis Charest, Davis Finch an many others. As a future comic book artist (hopefully) I know that I do have a fairly "comic" style but then again I think that mine is much different than many others out there. Overall, I don't see anyone bashing the whole american movie industry for Waterworld (couldn't think of a worse movie in short notice) when there are such great films as Lord of the Rings,etc. out there.

[gigglebear]

this isnt fair, why is that this guy gets all these post but i donthttp://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21402