painter8 - pencil with grain - help

[evillair]

I am trying to make a pencil brush that has paper grain.

I have edited it in the Brush Creator and it work ok (with Grainy Soft Cover), but when I have a 1-2 sized pencil the grain become very small.

I basicaly want it to be the paper grain that shows but doesn't resize when I resize my brush.
I would like it to work similar to the program "ArtRage".

Any ideas on how to do this?

sorry, I'm a painter n00b. :)

Thanks in advance.

[Jin]

I am trying to make a pencil brush that has paper grain.

I have edited it in the Brush Creator and it work ok (with Grainy Soft Cover), but when I have a 1-2 sized pencil the grain become very small.


Hi,

It's not the grain that's small. It's the brush sizes you're using that are small.

In Painter 8, with all brush variants in their default state (as they were when Painter 8 was installed), all of the Pencils variants use a Subcategory containing the word Grainy (meaning that they interact with Paper texture, or grain) except the following Pencils variants:

Mechanical Pencil 1
Mechanical Pencil 1.5
Mechanical Pencil 2

Using such a small brush (1 or 2), you would not expect to see the Paper texture as much as you would with a larger brush size. In the demo image below, the brush variant (Sketching Pencil 3) uses the Method Buildup and the Subcategory Grainy Hard Buildup:

http://www.pixelalley.com/conceptart_forums/brsh_size_and_paper_textr_viiblty.jpg

In addition, the custom variant you describe uses the Subcategory Grainy Soft Cover. This alone will make the Paper texture much less visible. Try changing the Subcategory to Grainy Hard Cover instead.

Using a brush size of 1, you'll not notice much difference. In fact, the brushstroke will look more like a dashed line as it's only able to paint color on the higher levels of the Paper texture (or if the Paper is inverted, only on the lower levels of the Paper texture).

When you increase the brush size, the Paper texture will become more visible as the brushstroke will paint color on a wider range of high level areas (or low level areas, if the Paper is inverted) of the Paper texture.


I basicaly want it to be the paper grain that shows but doesn't resize when I resize my brush.


Again, the Paper texture is not being resized when you change your brush size. Only the brush size is changing.

To change the scale of the Paper texture, go to the Papers palette and move the Scale slider (the top slider). Make a note of the setting as soon as you get it the way you want because, if you choose another Paper, then chose the original Paper again, the settings will have returned to the defaults.


I would like it to work similar to the program "ArtRage".

Any ideas on how to do this?

sorry, I'm a painter n00b.

Thanks in advance.



ArtRage is very limited and uses different brush technology from that used in Painter, though the ArtRage folks designed the Painter 8 Mixer palette brush (not available outside of the Painter 8 Mixer palette).

In order to know what you want your brushstrokes to look like, it would be best if you showed us a demo image.

I think you'll be able to do this yourself, by spending some time experimenting with the following:

Brush Size
Brush Variant Method
Brush Variant Subcategory
Paper chosen
Paper Scale slider
Paper Contrast slider
Paper Invert icon (right icon)


Good luck! :)

[evillair]

Thanks for the great reply, I got it (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20248) (kinda).

It's not perfect but I'll keep messing around with it.

I thought the pattern was smaller cause when I was using a 1-2 brush size and covering a larger surface the grain looked different then when I used a larger 4> brush.

Thanks again.