Portrait

[evillair]

Painter 8 (oil brushes), final touches in Photoshop.

http://evillair.net/art/portrait.jpg

A Enoch Seeman self portrait painting (1708) used as reference.


C&C Welcomed.

Thanks.

[EnDorfin]

That guy really looks... eh... dorky.
I kind of like the texture of it though, good job!

Overall: 6.2/10

[::EPIC::]

the right eye seems too light to me, good job overall

[ansiaaa]

some details from the original painting are missed, and the face seems too different from enoch's, but there's a good work on the colors

[evillair]

Originally posted by ansiaaa
some details from the original painting are missed, and the face seems too different from enoch's, but there's a good work on the colors

Yup, you're right.
I wasn't trying to replicate it, just used it as reference to make my own painting.

Thanks.

[AnarchyAo2]

Originally posted by EnDorfin
That guy really looks... eh... dorky.
I kind of like the texture of it though, good job!

Overall: 6.2/10

Why are you rating people's work? Your not posting anything useful, say....a critique would be nice. It is not even like your ratings are accurate. I mean, you gave Puddnhead, one of the best artists on the board, a "7". What kind of standards do you have? Jeez, a 7?! You must be the greatest artist of all time then.

[kimchee]

Just look at the guy's signature. He "rates" the 3 best artists of the month. Seems he has quite the obsession with rating things. Not to mention that all his posts use an electric blue colour to draw attention to himself. Inferiority complex.

[::EPIC::]

:rofl:

[amphex]

hahaha anarchy and kimchee....i was just about to say the same exact thing!1!

[malicious]

post up the ref!

looks like you've got the oils figured out, congrats on that.

as for the rating. sheesh. 6.2/10? moreover, 6.2? wtf. then he says good job? math says 6.2/10=.62 or 62%. most all the grading scales i've ever been on plant F at below 60%. blah. use the star ratings, if you must rate. then give a crit.

christ, i've critted the crit more than the piece.

i really respect people that go for the classical style. i dont' know if this kind of piece is your norm, but it looks good. it looks real, that is it looks like it's really oils. i respect that quite a bit. but yeah, post up the ref!

[evillair]

Thanks alot malicious, here's the ref...

http://www.historicalportraits.com/showimglarge.asp?ID=4224xKDs2SxbSwkSL72ztSgw2lPjsV Fc

As you can see it's not 100% copy, I wanted to try to deviate a bit from the ref. (you see that especialy in the face)

This is the first time doing this sort of painting. I want to do more, I've learn alot by studying the way they paint those portraits.

Thanks again.

[thomasaurus]

This is wonderful! I'm really drawn into the eyes, uber job on that :chug:

[EnDorfin]

Meh... kids these days.

Why are you rating people's work? Your not posting anything useful, say....a critique would be nice. It is not even like your ratings are accurate. I mean, you gave Puddnhead, one of the best artists on the board, a "7". What kind of standards do you have? Jeez, a 7?! You must be the greatest artist of all time then.

First and foremost:
My ratings can't be "not accurate", simply because they are 'my' ratings, not yours.

Secondly:
I give my ratings based on what I like... that is why, although I might say it is 'good' work, the rating is not necessarily very high. I'm not saying the work isn't well done or that he / she has a lot to do to improve himself / herself, because that would simply be foolish of me... as everyone knows that there are an infinite variety of ways to express things in form of arts.

The people that I 'rate' shouldn't feel offended, as I am not judging the actual 'quality' of they art, but rather how much it represents something I appreciate as a viewer.

Its so incredibly entertaining to see how people react to those kinds of things... I was hoping to see more 'open minded' people around here, but I guess it was inevitable to have at least a few people who always feel offended for no reason...


Bah... that's life, deal with it. :D

[malicious]

evillair>
i would have liked to see some more deviations from the ref, but it's a good study nonetheless.

[Blackwell]

evillair,

this is really nice - the eyes definitely grab ya. (Although he looks just slightly cross-eyed...) I'm by no means a Painter expert, but it looks like real oils to me. The colors and transitions are great.


(EnDorfin,
Then why give ratings or post your "top 3" if you don't want comments? I'm not trying to be an ass, but do you really think anybody cares what you would rate a piece, or who your top 3 are? It just comes off as a wee bit pompous...)

[Gr8t100]

And this is my opinion for you EnDorfin,

No one really gives 2 cents worth of crap what you like or not, they didn't draw it with you being in mind, it's what the artist wanted to portray.

And yeah, we are open minded, plus we are brutally honest, it comes with the package.

If you plan to rate something, I would hope you would rate it based on the technique, form, and composition in which the artist used for the piece he/she had posted.

[EnDorfin]

do you really think anybody cares what you would rate a piece, or who your top 3 are?

Look above... apparently, some people do care. :ahha:
( Although not for the right reasons )

Why shouldn't I put my Top 3?
It's my way of saying 'Good Work' to artists I admire the work of.

Don't see anything wrong with that... do you?

Edit for Gr8t100: 'brutally honest'? ... scary. :p
I can't always base a piece of art on technique, form, composition, etc. simply because there isn't really any - wrong - way to express yourself in art... that's why I use my tastes... simple.

[farmer]

the guy is looking lik he is blowing up his cheeks...
but i like this claasic style..
nice work!

and... i agree with AnarchyAo2 about that rating...

just type your critiques or your compliments.. thats enough..

if it were necessary to rating people on forums like this.. they were a rating table..

for me its not important if you skilled or not.... even the great artists on this forum wouldnt do that...

[DanSTC]

EnDorfin - In this thread, you yourself admitted that no one can dispute the criteria of your scoring method. So therefore, your system of scoring is essentially irrelevent, and all it does is serve to make you look a bit too presumptuous for your own good.

Also, I would add that your commentary of this portrait study looking "dorky" is hardly constructive, and also shows that you very likely have some lacking knowledge in art history, further undermining the nonexistant credibility of your irrelevent review score system.

Rather than continuing to hammer at the rather off-putting nature of your recent posts around here, I'd reccommend that you offer actual criticism of the works or constructive suggestions on how to retool, rework, or make the pieces stronger instead of giving irrelevent review-scoring based on your personal tastes. After all, this is not a product review forum...it's a comments and criticisms forum on finished pieces of artwork.

Oh, and using the regular text color instead of something that's hard to read against the dark background of the forums might also help you come off better with other people.

[Riley]

/ignore EnDorfin...

evillair, have you looked through John Singer Sargent's work? your piece reminds me somewhat of his. Altogether kudos.

[EnDorfin]

I'd reccommend that you offer actual criticism of the works or constructive suggestions on how to retool, rework, or make the pieces stronger

... like you just did? [/sarcasm]

Look, you all know that if I had given him 10/10 absolutely no one would've said anything against it... that's so typical! I could've said that it was my opinion and that I didn't care what the others thought, but as long as it was a 'perfect score', nobody would've said anything against it.

It's not irrelevant not to care what others think of my ratings, as they are there to express my tastes on people's work. Your free to think whatever you want of them...

Now, forget about all this ( you can't win )...
Let's just get back on topic and let me do my ratings in peace! :p

[DanSTC]

Look, you all know that if I had given him 10/10 absolutely no one would've said anything against it... that's so typical!

If you had given him a 10/10, I would have assumed that you didn't have any sort of review criteria, and were just saying that you liked the piece. There are all sorts of naive fans of art around here who fall for particular artists or pieces at first glance, so yes, I wouldn't have given uncritical praise a second thought, instead concentrating on the posts that offerred actual criticism of the piece. (Mainly because I can often learn a thing or two from reading those posts.)

However, when you posted scores in incriments, you implied that you were subjecting the pieces you were viewing to some sort of presumed standard of criteria, which when called into question, turned out to be an irrelevent score based on your personal taste.

Also, I would add that it's impolite for you to presume to know how people would react to something out of hand. I'd advise you lurk on these boards a little longer before you even start to pretend to know how people around here think.

Let's just get back on topic and let me do my ratings in peace!

On that first part, we can agree. Edit: Although I'd reccommend that you not do your review scores as you'll probably get similar reactions to the ones in this thread in the future.

[EnDorfin]

Also, I would add that it's impolite for you to presume to know how people would react to something out of hand. I'd advise you lurk on these boards a little longer before you even start to pretend to know how people around here think.

It's not impolite... I'm just good at these things! :D

Now that everything has been discussed, stop acting like my opinion of people's drawings is important to you. It's not like crying about it is going to make me stop... I'm not tellings these people their art isn't good, I'm saying it's not to my liking... wheather or not they care is up to them.

Point done.
Back on topic, lets leave that subject in peace.

[doppelganger]

This is a very very nice job especially considering it is digital. I am doing a master copy of an 18th century pastel portait in class right now. They style is very simiar with the feathered edges, low edge contrast, etc. I love these portraits, they are so delicate and beautiful.

The thiink that strikes me is the model's right cheek seems much warmer than what you rendered, Warming this up will help pull the center of the form and in turn push the edges back helping to correct what i now a rather flat area. It may be my monitor but the reds in the cheek now are cooler than those on the original and they dont move as far up the cheek as they should.

I am really excited by this work and I talk a lot when I am excited : D . It is a style I love and I am currently working in myself. Really fantastic job on the drapery BTW the sharp highlights are well reporduced and sell the sheen of the fabric!

Kudos!

Scott

[::EPIC::]

wow could we talk more about the art than 'your' tastes Endorfin, we frankly don't have the time. People here are trying to tell you somthing and since you just joined CA why not bend a little.

Oh, and using the regular text color instead of something that's hard to read against the dark background of the forums might also help you come off better with other people.

Good point DanSTC, i would have to give EnDorfin a 0/10 for his colour theory:bash:

evillair, sorry for the flame war on your thread, it happens sometimes... after seeing the reference id take another look at your feature placements, things like the lower jaw under the cheekbone appears to be too narrow. And the eyes could use another look at, i guess your painting covey's a older look than the age of the subject. Anyways some added points.

[RefrigeratorCo]

Originally posted by ::EPIC::
wow could we talk more about the art than 'your' tastes Endorfin, we frankly don't have the time.

Stop responding to him then...

And even if he was being rude (he's kinda funky but I don't see him as rude) then just ignore him. Trolls are a dime a dozen on the net.

And nice study. Did you learn anything new?

[jetpack42]

Originally posted by EnDorfin
That guy really looks... eh... dorky.
I kind of like the texture of it though, good job!

Overall: 6.2/10

The guy is 16 years old...and from Canada.

I think that says as much as needs saying in itself.

[skvv]

Originally posted by EnDorfin


It's not impolite... I'm just good at these things! :D

Now that everything has been discussed, stop acting like my opinion of people's drawings is important to you. It's not like crying about it is going to make me stop... I'm not tellings these people their art isn't good, I'm saying it's not to my liking... wheather or not they care is up to them.

Point done.
Back on topic, lets leave that subject in peace.

Those who don't DO... REVIEW!


And as for the piece, I like the older style, you really pulled it off, but i think a little more texture here and there would really pop out the face/hair. It also feels lacking in detail around the figure, and i don't think you need to worry about competing parts if you don't overdo it.

[evillair]

Riley, Yeah, Sargent is great. I am trying to find a peice from him to study next actualy. Trying to do something like this from him (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/sargent/jm-sears.jpg) would be a great exercise. I love his loosness.

doppelganger, You are right, I should have made his face warmer. I have added too much purple - although, I do like that "dead skin" fealing I got though. >;)

::EPIC::, I agree, I always have troubles with cheeks/jaw areas. I can't seem to get those areas correct.

RefrigeratorCo, Yeah, I learned alot - Color blending using painter oils. Make my canvas size bigger since the small oil brushes arn't really well suited for pixel work. - Painting with oils isn't as easy as I thought. ;)

evisr8r, good points - noted.

Thanks.

[heiesuke]

Originally posted by EnDorfin
Meh... kids these days.



First and foremost:
My ratings can't be "not accurate", simply because they are 'my' ratings, not yours.

Secondly:
I give my ratings based on what I like... that is why, although I might say it is 'good' work, the rating is not necessarily very high. I'm not saying the work isn't well done or that he / she has a lot to do to improve himself / herself, because that would simply be foolish of me... as everyone knows that there are an infinite variety of ways to express things in form of arts.

The people that I 'rate' shouldn't feel offended, as I am not judging the actual 'quality' of they art, but rather how much it represents something I appreciate as a viewer.

Its so incredibly entertaining to see how people react to those kinds of things... I was hoping to see more 'open minded' people around here, but I guess it was inevitable to have at least a few people who always feel offended for no reason...


Bah... that's life, deal with it. :D
ey man, u can rate my work at any time....do it NOW!!!!

[jrr]

::sniff sniff:: smell that? someone's going to be banned really soon.

[::EPIC::]

The guy is 16 years old...and from Canada



I'm done commenting on this anyways, but i don't really think coming from Canada has ANY bearing on the situation...

[Minion]

He thinks this is HotOrNot... or maybe RateMyRack.

[EnDorfin]

The guy is 16 years old...and from Canada

Eh... what makes you think I'm 16?
Oh right! In my profile, it's written that I was born in 1983... So, 2004 - 1983 = 16! [/sarcasm]
( Guess math isn't your strong point... but I'm sure you're good at other things :ahha: )

... and like mentionned above, being canadian has nothing to do with it.
( Well, if it helps you sleep at night, go for it )

BTW, there is no real reason to ban me...
My ratings aren't based on the 'quality' of the artwork, but how much I appreciate it in therm of theme ( i.e.: Let's say there's 2 artworks with exactly the same kinds of colors, forms, technique, etc., but one is a drawing of a cow and the other one of a futuristic battle... I will most likely give a better 'rating' to the one representing a futuristic battle than the one with the cow. Why? Not because one is better done than the other, but because it's a kind of theme I like better! )

:blue:

[Alex K.]

Its so incredibly entertaining to see how people react to those kinds of things...

BTW, there is no real reason to ban me...

Trolling is a good enough reason to ban you.

[malicious]

put the ego down! step away from the soap box slowly and no one will get hurt.

seriously, this isn't the right place to discuss how inappropriate ratings are

let evillair have his thread back! evillair! post more art!

[sparth]

please, do not give extra ratings within the board, as it might logicaly represent an offense to artists who do not desire to see their art rated with anything else than the regular five stars.
speak about the pieces and give comments, it will be far more accurate than any ratings sent into a thread like if you had to rate food into a supermarket.

sparth

[thomasaurus]

sparth has spoken.

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by ::EPIC::




I'm done commenting on this anyways, but i don't really think coming from Canada has ANY bearing on the situation...

Seconded. Contrary to popular belief, Canadians are hardly slow. If you're still not convinced, YOU try doing something fast in below zero temperatures surrounded by good beer.

[::EPIC::]

:chug:

[DanSTC]

Just wanted to plug a few more nails into the coffin:

Originally posted by EnDorfin

Its so incredibly entertaining to see how people react to those kinds of things...

That would be trolling. I'd suggest you not do that.

Also, there's a reason why no one else around here drenches their posts in Blue No 6 dye. Please use the ordinary color font when you post because I and others with vision problems have to highlight your text to read it without squinting.