*Creative Process*

[Sammy]

I was very inspired lately when I learned how BMW runs their automotive design firm. The artists work from 9 to 5 when the bell dings, and they put down their tablets. In an instant their artwork is sent over seas to other BMW firms where the artists just waking up grab their tablets and finish what the other artists started ... This ends up giving them an edge as far as creativity goes, and is also constant 24/7 designing.

I wanted to run with this idea and work from someone else's work... MIKECORRIERO did some amazing thumbnails that inspired me to get designin'! ... and so I did, I inturpreted...

MIKECORRIERO's Thumbnails:
http://pratt.edu/~mcorrier/random/wk1.jpg

My take: I mostly ran with #7 but tried to incorporate a little of everything.
http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/Mikedesign.jpg

good for thumbnaling practice!

Please join in and feel free to develop from peoples' thumbnails posted in here.
http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/thumbscomp.jpg

[0kelvin]

Awesome idea for a thread. This is definitely something worth keeping an eye on. Awesome work so far, I can't wait to see what else is going to come out of here.




0kelvin

[R_M]

Great thread sammy! I wish I had time to develop some of your landscapes...

[Calle_]

Really cool. U do alot of machines right? :P

[-The Swift-]

good thinking sammy, this should be interesting!

:)

[ShawnYe]

This is a very good idea. Theres probably going to be a whole bunch of new ideas emerging from this.

[DavidCousens]

Okay, this is my first ever pic that I've posted here, so be gentle :)

This is based on one of Mike Corriero's thumnails. I just saw the thread and couldn't resist it. Great idea Sammy!:chug:

Hope you all like it!

http://img27.photobucket.com/albums/v82/DaveTheOriginal/beast_rider_sketch.jpg

[Schlo-mo]

Hey, had a mess about with Mikes thumbnail
http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Ace0r/comp4.jpg

[Sammy]

Thanx for the thumbs Mike, I was inspired by your mounts : )

gotta tackle one of your environs, they look damn nice.

http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/Mikedesign2.jpg

http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/stylethumbs10.jpg

[tyboogie]

these are great guys

sammy--wheres his other leg? heh--

so i guess if someone was gonna use a finish from this thread in their portfolio , it would be good to give them credit for teh thumb like in sammy's piece


ty

[Bretton]

great idea sammy! And good work so far

I would love to participate, but i've only got my mouse and i dont want to make a mockery of anyone's beautiful thumbnails.

tyboogie: I'm almost positive his other leg is raised and the foot is there behind the chest.

[Wart]

Hey, love this thread. I don't think my pathetic 16 year old skills are up to fully realizing the potential of your thumbs, but I'll try anyway. Heres what I got:

http://img4.photobucket.com/albums/v29/wartman/TransportWEB.jpg

Really need to work on shading and vehicle design (and spelling, but that's another matter). Anyway, keep up the good work and ignore my low self esteame... esteem ...er... how ever the hell you spell that. We really need a spell check function in this place.

Ok, I'll shut up now.

(EDIT: Oh yeah, from sammy's thumbs)

[Bretton]

wart: i think it looks pretty good

as long as I wont be the only 16 year old doing this i'll give it a shot.

edit: I've decided to ellaborate on this thumb of mikes: http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v16/bretton/mikesthumbs2.jpg

[Bretton]

mike: yeah i was amazed at how you worked so small, heh... Yeah I'd love to see the full version just because you produce beautiful artwork, but I also kind of feel like interpretting the thumb is half the fun :]. Definately show it though.

edit: grammar problems.

[Sammy]

Wart: that's actually pretty damn nice, great to see that tiny thumb carried over to full concept.

Mike: hehe, yea... the wood nymph farret came out of nowhere... funny to see where a page of thumbnails will take you.

today I found a book of monks... thought they'd make pretty good dinosaurs :D
http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/stylethumbs11.jpg



http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/monkceratopsian.jpg

[Wart]

Originally posted by Sammy
today I found a book of monks... thought they'd make pretty good dinosaurs

Well, logicaly.
(Realy bizzare. And because:
Bizzare=Good, and what you drew=Bizzare, therefore: what you drew=exelent.)

Glad you liked my little drawing. I'm going to continue to keep my eye on this thread.

[rick_hershey]

Great thread, here's one now. . . and I'm off to work on sammy's dino thumbs

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v14/grendalmage/Rick/bird_mount.jpg

[DavidCousens]

Mike: Glad you approve, I was hoping you'd like it! :chug:

Sammy: Your new links seem to be down :( I was really interested in seeing your latest thumbnails too!

[Bretton]

http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v16/bretton/octopusassbeast.jpg

heres mine based on mike's sketch. I hope it's alright

[Ninja_ASSN]

what a thread! Im sure in... with doodles and concepts...

[Happy Camper]

Wow Sammy, you've started another great thread. :D keep going guys some totally awesome stuff here.

[silva412]

very nice work indeed from all. Sammy, I really am impressed with your concepts/processes. I was wondering what kind of pen you use for your thumbs. I have tried a lot of different kinds, but I like the way that your lines come off nice and smooth. Hopefully I can find some time to take off with one of these thumbs. Great stuff guys.

[Sammy]

:D

Thanx Mike, that is baddass. Seriously your creature skills rule. I would love to own a feild guide of mythical creatures illustrated by you.

silva412: I use whatever tiny pen I can find, then it's all about being quick and working from the 'mistakes' your hand makes.

[SABRE]

GREAT IDEA SAMMY, AND COOL WORKS TOO!!

http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v19/SABRE/CONCEPTART%20ORG/dino-human.jpg


BYEE......................

[rick_hershey]

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v14/grendalmage/Rick/dinoman.jpg

[Sammy]

:chug:

awesome, thanx guys! It's cool to see how the costumes developed.

Anybody got any doodle/thumbnail pages to load up?

[Sammy]

oh hell yea! thanx man... I'm printing these out so I'll have something to distract me at work.

[Sammy]

ok, not as exciting as I'd hoped... the drawing vibe was not with me today, so just stuck with thumbs

http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/stylethumbs13.jpg

[young paddy1]

as long as it's a freeforall I'll jump in with a few crappy little thumbs.

http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v19/youngpaddy1/robotsthumbs3.jpghttp://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v19/youngpaddy1/robothumbs.jpg

BTW I'm having a go at one of the super dude's messenger bikes.

[Sammy]

Thumbnails a go-go!!

http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/stylethumbs14.jpg

[Sammy]

these are goin' in a cool direction, it's time to bust out a rendering of one.
http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/stylethumbs15.jpg

[Killer Napkins]

some scribble junks...
http://www.renderosity.com/photos/ArtistArticle7200.jpg

http://www.renderosity.com/photos/ArtistArticle7201.jpg

http://www.renderosity.com/photos/ArtistArticle7202.jpg

anyhoo

great stuff ive seen so far by you guys!

[young paddy1]

thumbs based on MIKECORRIEROs' number 4 messenger

http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v19/youngpaddy1/bikes.jpg

[young paddy1]

http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v19/youngpaddy1/sketches/messenger.jpg•©YP12004

can't do anything else to it lots of different refs

[Sammy]

LOL, nice paintover you actually solved the problem of that device... I forget what it's called, but when the pilot would step on the breaks goin' 30 mph the thing keep rollin' into the trees :bash:

[young paddy1]

yeah it's the mcclean monowheel, he had to put tail planes on it, but there is a great video of him floating around on the net of him doing just that.

[Dan Milligan]

Loving this Sammy.
Mike amazing stuff.
A little out of my league here, but it looks so fun.


http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept04/fighterbird.jpg

Peace
Dan

[Sunraven]

A quicky, based on one of Mike's thumbnails, which you can see up in the corner. Hah, it's not particularly more detailed than the thumbnail sketch either. I'll work on it more if I get time, I rather like the idea of it.

http://www.avians.net/tivin/febuary/thumb.jpg

[weirdwes]

Awesome thread!

[Sammy]

Thanx for joinin' in Dan! That's pretty damn sweet! you don't have to be so modist ; )

Thanx also Mike for all the inspiration
http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/otisjohnsonweb.jpg

[rick_hershey]

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v14/grendalmage/Rick/birds.jpg

Not much practice drawing birds, and I went with a slightly different concept then the many thumbs.

[treeboy]

oh gosh, ok, im printing a bunc hof stuff out right now, i gotta get in on this. I think this looks like some work to do during Calculus or Geosystems

:chug:

[Sammy]

here's some articulational pivots I'm workin' with to help me out more with my mechanical design... right now more a focus on the function, the form can follow later with armorments and whatnot ... but these little sideviews help me to lay out the main joints.

http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/articulationthumbs1.jpg

[young paddy1]

yet another productive day building planes

http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v19/youngpaddy1/monkeyboy/hueys.jpg

[simmi]

This is great thread !
Here is a rather fast image i made from one of sammys thumbs. I'm dying to do another one !

http://www.simnet.is/simmi/hammerhead.jpg

[Sammy]

Thanx simmi, I really dig the color scheeme you worked with.

I'm uploadin' more robot shizzle ... once I got to my 10th thumbnail, they started to turn Irish.... donno either..
I did more articulation thumbnails if anyone wants to practice their joint structures and articulations with me :chug:

http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/articulationthumbs2.jpg

[young paddy1]

http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v19/youngpaddy1/dsg/exploration_vehicles.jpg

some more of my tiny vehicle sketches

[Red_Rook]

*Print*
*Print*
*Print*

sammy, you acctually solved a mechanical problem i had ith yer mech legs... you have a knack for starting these sorta threads dont you.

[Riley]

This thread deserves bumping.. I can't draw right now, but my head is bubbling with ideas that I will soon be forced to put on paper. Cheers!

[ChadTHX1138]

Thanks for the bump I missed this thread!

those thumbnails are amazing sammy.

[Red_Rook]

heres a quick speed painting of a mixture of mike's environment thumbs. i wanna do a better one later.

http://redrook.250free.com/treecity.jpg
still getting used to digital painting =P

[.:RAPUNZEL:.]

sammy i love your bot skteches!!!
here a quick one....

http://www.reinher.com/sammybot.jpg

[Caspergt]

nice work, rapunzel

:p that's one erect gatling gun , though. [snicker]

[Sammy]

Damn sweet Rapunzel, you carried the sillouhette over very nicely and added to it. Freudian chain-gun :fruit:

http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/articulationthumbs3.jpg

[rick_hershey]

I didn't want this to drop off the board, i'm really learning a lot from everyone on how they approach design.

Here's some sketches I'm doing for a project that involves a giant fantasy-style machine spider powered by magic. I just wanted to throw some ideas on paper, havn't started diggin up ref. yet. My biggest problem so far is that the machine is supposed to have 17 legs. . .I'm still working on that one.


http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v14/grendalmage/Rick/spiderthumb.jpg

oh, that thing in the middle was a slight deversion into some sort of spider-like vehicle. . .six wheels that move and adjust depending on terrain.

[young paddy1]

quick question Mr Hershey why 17 legs it's an annoying prime number you can't divide it into groups of anything conveniant

[rick_hershey]

It wasn't my choice for 17 legs, the client insisted. It's just my job to try and work it out.

[young paddy1]

All I can imagine is two wheels made of eight legs each and a tail dragger for stability, or am I just obsessed with single axle vehicles?

When its walking eight of the legs could be used as a shield for the top the seventeenth as some sort of feeler.?

Oh and why the engine isn't it suposed to be magic?

[rick_hershey]

Well the picture is for an rpg book, and to be honest doing rpg illustrations is a lot like doing a dsg. . .you have make a picture based on very few details. The reason for the engine is simple, it was built as a construct- a working machine just like anything else- the magic element comes into play to explain those small details like "power source" and "repairing". . .the wonders of fantasy.

The thing with this is that they want a "cool looking picture", and I can get away with not proving the details of how this thing would actually work. Sammy has great design for his machines 'cause they all look like they would work. . .with this pic I don't think anybody cares (it has 17 legs!) Plus it's fantasy, the style has to look primitive- steampunkish- and of course look like a huge spider.

I'm going to start doing reference work on this so the machanical aspects will be cleaned up much more.

[pvrhye]

my best interpretation 20 mins in p-shop

http://e.domaindlx.com/pvrhye/sammymechinterpret%20.jpg

[William b. Hand]

I didn't really explore the monk aspects of this as much as I did the saurian aspects. :D

Fun thread!

http://homepage.mac.com/forumfiles/.Pictures/Dinosaur%20Monk.jpg

[DavidCousens]

Well, as intimidating as it is to be following the amazing work of Mr Hand, I don't want this thread to disappear, so here's a little something based on one of Sammy's mech thumbnails.

I'm actually intending to marker colour it soon, but I thought I'd scan it at this point so that it can also go into the new media colouring book thread as well.

Hope you all like it, it's actually my first ever mech!:eek:

http://img27.photobucket.com/albums/v82/DaveTheOriginal/big_tv_mech.jpg

[Sammy]

pvrhye: Glad you went with that one dude, I've been workin' off and on on my version, I got it inked up just gotta color it. I'll post it soon.

William b. Hand: Damn that's really nice

DaveTheOriginal: Thanx for the bump, that's pretty good for your first mechanical.

Damn, sorry... more bots... hehe.. thing's been busy lately, and bots help me to relax. I'll work on some different stuff soon.

http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/articulationthumbs4.jpg

[Killer Napkins]

whoa sammy those are kickass... especially i love the watercolro ones .. great work man!

[Main Loop]

those are great concepts sammy! id love to just sit around and make illustrations of em

[Sammy]

Thanx guys, please load up some concept thumbs so we can get some creative stuff cranked out : )

here's a freeze of the same thumb that pvrhye worked from, I had it inked many days ago, and now that my comp is fixed I went full steam into finishing it :chug:

anyways the thumb was kinda random, and I like how skinny/dorky the design was, so he was fun to do :D
http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/dorkbotweb.jpg

[Dr. Memory]

Neat thread! I see someone else digs the Steel Battalion designs, too :cool:
I've been trying to get my sketch chops back after years of neglect, so I'll throw a few into the mix:

http://irrationaldesigns.com/Samples/Thumbs2.jpg
Of these, I like the 2nd, 3rd and 5th ones...

Your articulation thumbs helped me solve a problem with a different project, and I"m redoing the legs on it now:
Dig it... (http://irrationaldesigns.com/LH_newlegs.jpg)

[young paddy1]

just a quick question Dr. Memory. Have you done any arc diagrams with your new legs (it's something I've had to do a lot of at work) because I'm not sure if they will work properly.

[Dr. Memory]

Nope. I'm just eyeballing it. If it doesn't work, I'll mangle the parts until it does :)

(edit) It's rigged, and mostly works... (http://irrationaldesigns.com/Samples/Articulation_Test.mov) (Quicktime MOV, around 2.5mb). Articulate it too far and the lower hydraulic ram will come apart or the upper one will intersect the leg joint, but for a one-day experiment, I'm pretty pleased with it.

[young paddy1]

fairy nuff
just a quicky 35 minute fiddle with another one of Sammy's bots
http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v19/youngpaddy1/monkeyboy/robo_hydra.jpg

[katana]

I like this idea as well. there is a myriad of good stuff here. I'll be back with something!:)

[Sammy]

Thanx for the thumbs Dr. Memory, that bottom left one is great! Do him! I will be printing that page.
Oh yes, and you can't beat SB ... eye candy! Most of my inspiration actually comes from the local JVC plant here, I just go and look at all the equipment, I got a buncha handouts and hydrollic readouts that I will scann for you guys.

Tryin' my best to step back from machinery so more peeps may get involved... two steps forward one step back???

Oh well... it's vacation, I won't get my proverbial panties in a wad.

http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/stylethumbs16.jpg

[young paddy1]

you been watchin the alien movies lately Sammy?

[Dan Milligan]

Hey Guys,

Stuff looks great.

Hey Sammy, thought of you. Check this out.

http://www.r50rd.co.uk/research/internal/v2i/engin/

Dan

[young paddy1]

That's a very cool piece of cgi especially the car stopping and the arm test. the robot looks exactly like a transformer version of the mini would.
Can hardly fault it except the lighting's a bit off.

[Sammy]

OMG that's RAD! Great find Dan, I want one.

young paddy1: You called it, I actually wached all the Alien movies last week, wasn't thinkin' of 'em in the thumbs tho... I guess it seeps in reguardless :D
They changed so much in Alien 3, really threw me off.... I think I like the dog better.... was kinda funky 'cause 3 has always been my fav ... then of course I like Aliens for all the space-military / space-cadette goodness :chug:

[Killer Napkins]

well sammy your watercolro robots made me wanna do a watercolro robot.. thast and you told me i should watercolor this.. ha

http://www.renderosity.com/photos/ArtistArticle7467.jpg

[William b. Hand]

Sammy and the rest of you... I dunno if you've seen this guys walking tanks, but I think you'll like 'em: CLICK HERE (http://www.cybergooch.com/pages/MW-77.htm)

[Killer Napkins]

whoa thats frickin awesome!!

[rubinherring]

thats a good idea about working on other peoples ideas!
i will get some drawings together and post them so you guys can work on them, i think this is probably the best thread ive seen. make sure all you people keep it going, mean while im making a site to chuck a few of my drawings on the net so make sure you have a look soon, nothing on there yet but it the site is www.angelfire.com/creep/rubinherring be sure to add to the ideas when they come up ok!
seeya

[Carnifex]

my first mech ever.thank you sammy.
(his thumbnail)
http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/1003/fisite/firstmech_sammy_sketch.jpg
(my pic)
http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/1003/fisite/firstmech.jpg
i didn't quite manage to make it that bulky as the original one,but for a first try i like pretty well.and hey,we're not supposed to make perfekt copies are we?:)

[Legato]

Originally posted by Dr. Memory
Nope. I'm just eyeballing it. If it doesn't work, I'll mangle the parts until it does :)

(edit) It's rigged, and mostly works... (http://irrationaldesigns.com/Samples/Articulation_Test.mov) (Quicktime MOV, around 2.5mb). Articulate it too far and the lower hydraulic ram will come apart or the upper one will intersect the leg joint, but for a one-day experiment, I'm pretty pleased with it.

so simple, yet so beautiful... you should post the texture, or better yet, send it to me

[Sammy]

K-Nap: you should watercolor more stuff! I dig it.

Carnifex: Thanx for the bot :chug: and no you're not supposed to make perfect copies, just your interpretation or combination.

Here's some unfinished sketches and thumbs, I lost interest on the "St. Patties Day - Bot" so anyone's welcome to pick up where I left off.


http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/articulationthumbs5.jpg

[Legato]

i would love to be a active member of this thread artistically, but i have such a limited amount of server room it won't be happening. anyway, i have a few questions for the pros here. first off, what is the advantage to thumb-nailing over drawing quick full sized stuff? also, do you guys have problems with drawing stuff over and over? when i draw say, an apc as concept art, its all fine and stuff, but when i draw it again i always add and change things around. ill finish something, like it for a week and hate it after day 8. anyway, keep it up guys, i love seeing your stuff!

[Sammy]

I wish you'd join in Legato, you have some mad inking skilz and I know you can do bots :D

I'm used to thumbnails from my ID schooling... basically I can do up to 100 thumbnail designs in the time it takes to do a fully inked and painted image ... so since my focus is design rather than rendering quality or art I enjoy taking that extra time to go ahead and fully realize a design with thumbs. It is tough sometimes to draw something and then draw it over, but if you really like the design it's not as hard to finalize it.

[Legato]

i might if i could find a good host... if not, i may have to resort to deviantart links...

[Dr. Memory]

You learn to appreciate thumbnailing when you realize that 90% of your ideas are dumb or unworkable. Dumb thumbnails are good, because that means you got it out of your system and nobody else ever needs to see it. The most you wasted on the dumb ideas was about 4 or 5 minutes each. Now you pick your favorites and develop those, and show your faves to the client.

If you let the client pick from your thumbnails you run the very real risk of him picking all the really bad ones, so don't let him see your sketchbook ;)

[DanielandTheLionsPen]

Well I believe we can call this the best thread ever eh?

Nobodies mentioned gnomes?

This was a creative process I had a long time ago, sorry it's all that's uploaded
http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v32/sprocket2k3/Sketches/treegnome.jpg

to

http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v32/sprocket2k3/cartoons/GlodinDA.jpg

What about the gnomes?
What about, The Gnomes.....

[Wart]

Originally posted by Legato
i might if i could find a good host... if not, i may have to resort to deviantart links...
www.photobucket.com (http://www.photobucket.com) (Did I mention it's free?)

[pvrhye]

I started with the chick in the lower right of Sammy's sketches and ended up running in a whole different direction.

http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/pvrhye/CreativeProcess/robot.jpg

[Sammy]

pvrhye: That's awesome, that's what come outa experementing with your creativity, starting with an idea and running in all sorts of directions, well done.

Enlarged a thumb and experemented watercolorin' and stuffs
http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/Groovinweb.jpg

[Killer Napkins]

that rocks sammy! .. hey do u mind if i enlarge one of your thumbs too and try watercolroin? .. i need to do more shiz!

[Sammy]

go right on ahead K-Nap, no-holds-barred. Run with it.

[DanielandTheLionsPen]

Crazy skill in this thread.

Sorry if my post didn't fit in... I wasn't sure if everyone was working off the thumbnails or not.

[Carnifex]

Legato:i recommend www.photobucket.com too,it's free,fast and reliable.just watch that your pics aren't above 250k or they'll be resized to crap by the server.
sammy,i think you can help me most on this issue(but others might aswell suggest something):whenever i draw a bot i don't know how to attach the legs to his body.as you can see on that bot drawn i've no idea how to attach the legs and also how to connect the joints with each other without ruining his stability.i think that's the thing preventing me most from creating working bots.thanx in advance for helping me.:)

[Sammy]

Carnifex: Seriously the best thing you can do to learn mechanics is to actually build some. I grew up constructing gas-powered remote-control cars, helllicopters, etc.
If it's at all afordable go get a kit, with something like a gas-powerd remote car you get to build it from ground up, you get to see the articulations.
Also look at hellicopters, check out the rotaries and hydrollics ... the rotary part of a hellicopter is so small you can almoast put your arms around it, but it's so strong it can lift a multiton chopper ... not only that it can support it and maneuver it in complex ways (that's 20% a real-live mech right there)
Toys are also a great resource, go get a transformer/gundam/stikfa/bionicle anything with loads of articulations, they're just tiny robots that have to have the same ranges of movement but not actualy be motorized.

You have to think of the human body, and then what you'd have to provide extra for hard mechanical movement (toys will show you this) ... for instance in a gundam toy there's an extra 2 articulatons for the elbow, in the new 20th Century Optimus Prime there's 4 articulations in the sholder.

I have some JVC hydrolic/articulation pamphlets from the local plant, I'll scann that shyt in, it helps me a ton to look at all the construction equipment.

[pvrhye]

for 200 bucks you can get a perfect grade gundam model kit which starts at the exoskeleton and then builds out.

[magira]

Some Spaceships/Aircrafts Im not too happy with

http://funken.net/herrenhandtasche/forum/ghaz.jpg

http://funken.net/herrenhandtasche/forum/ghaz2.jpg

http://funken.net/herrenhandtasche/forum/ghaz3.jpg
-> the perspective in the right one is f*cked up

perhaps someone else can do something with them..

[Lord_Boston]

Your work is awesome, it shows a lot of promise for an actual storyline, or concept for games. Very nice work.

[Killer Napkins]

phyvre are u talkin bout that endless waltz Zero-gundam... perfect grade? that one is freakin awesome u can take off the armor and see how the mechanics are actually set up! i wish i was rich tho ha

[Legato]

ok sammy heres some stuff i just quickly threw together...

i read somebody's post about joints, so i just drew this out for the heck of it. heres a radical fully functional hip joint...
http://incolor.inetnebr.com/legato/Art%20Scans/Concepts/Hip%20Joint%20Concept.jpg

heres a leg iso
http://incolor.inetnebr.com/legato/Art%20Scans/Concepts/Leg%20Concept.jpg

heres a light gunship i just bsed together, and...
http://incolor.inetnebr.com/legato/Art%20Scans/Concepts/Light%20Gunship%20Concept.jpg

heres a hull detail that i ran out of room on :P (i like the first one better)
http://incolor.inetnebr.com/legato/Art%20Scans/Concepts/Light%20Gunship%20Hull%20Detail%20Concept.jpg

anyway, hope you like it. also, you may notice i use a ton of hydraulics instead of actual "motors" for movement. i prefer hydraulics for 2 reasons. first, the complexity just adds to its coolness, and also, i think they are far more realistic. i don't see a axle driven engine as having enough torque to move a mech well... thats just me

[Sammy]

insanely impressive legato, you got a major future in mechanical concepts. And you're getting great at laying out your grids to work from, glad you got a chance to join in

These articulation experements will help you a lot to, I know I have a mental library of every joint I've ever drawn. it's mega helpfull just to doodle some out whenever you can.

Keep support in mind as well, hydrollics have a tendency to bend when pressure that isn't perpendicular to their movement is applied. Like having only muscles and no bones.
And skeletons or exo-skeletons for that matter aid in the overall design.
here's a collection of reference photographs, check out the bulk that's usually around hydrollics.
mechanical ref (http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/machinery/)

check this book out, it's been mega helpfull for me, it's got some free pages online.
caterpillar chronicles (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0760306672/ref=sib_rdr_dp/102-4501274-6068941?%5Fencoding=UTF8&no=283155&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&st=books)

[Legato]

thanks allot, ill keep that in mind tomorrow... ill prolly sketch up a few more. your help is always appreciated!

[Legato]

IMO this got a little too complex... but it still look spretty cool. and no thats not an egg beater! anyway...yeah, hope you guys have some comments and stuff for this

http://incolor.inetnebr.com/legato/Art%20Scans/Concepts/Arm.jpg

[brkofdon]

this is a fantastic idea for a thread!!!!! i dont see how anyone who knows about conceptart forums could get an artist block. you have so many revenues of inspirtation/motivation its ridiculous...

anyways i wish i could see more organic thumbnails thrown around here more...i have no problem with the mechs, but its always nice to see curved lines here n there.

ill try and post something shortly.

[Sammy]

insane Legato! Your greebles are so damn convencing, thanks for inspiring :chug: !!!111!!!

Very nice articulations, I'd love to see that bastard animated.

Me and legato are in our own little mechanical la-la-land overf here so here's some organic stuff, all inspired by Mike's mammals!
http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/stylethumbs17.jpg

http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/stylethumbs18.jpg

http://www.securevirtualpages.com/~sammyha/onlineforums/sketchbook2/stylethumbs19.jpg

[pvrhye]

I split the difference on the sorta mechanical and biological elements. I kinda lost direction. Somone can pick up from here

http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/pvrhye/CreativeProcess/mechanic.jpg

[Legato]

this guy on deviant arts paying me $20 to draw a "steampunk chair" so here it is so far... its kinda worked out cool that this is what im kinda working on in this thread... anyway... yeah, sammy since a lot of people don't like purely technical stuff, how bout we get a technical thread? that focuses on everything technical? just an idea... anyway enjoy.
http://incolor.inetnebr.com/legato/Art%20Scans/Concepts/Steampunk%20Chair.jpg

btw, i will be inking this, so even tho its really confusing now, i hope to clean it up a lot

[chunder]

A mechanical thread would be hellaciously cool Sammy. Maybe you could give us a little info on how you lay out your perspective grids and some tips on mechanical construction and such...

Love this thread! Keep it up!

[Sammy]

I agree with Mike your skills are worth more than $20 (important part is that you enjoyed doing it), and as far as mechanics go you should try and find some real freelance - you're young too... boy we're all in trouble.

a Mechanical thread would be awesome... but arrgggg...:crosseyed I'm workin' on my Thesis ( :coffee: ) and wont be uploading any of it's art untill I'm finished.... can we wait 8 weeks?!?! :D I could go hardcore into it then.

A mechanic thread would be great, mechanical artists are few and far between it would be a great idea to spread ideas and techniques around.

[Killer Napkins]

whoa legato those are all freakin awesome... i like how u thought out every little thing in ur design.. very nice!

[silva412]

it kinda reminds me of that big thing in that terrible Wild Wild West movie with Will Smith........nice composition though

[Legato]

i actually had that in the back of my mind... the hard part was making sure you didn't :D. anyway, the idea of a walking chair is the same, but imo i've changed it significantly... the one in www is really really boring, and not even remotely feasible imo

[silva412]

yeah, no I feel you on that....I like the way you have made yours look balanced on the paper. Even if you couldn't really build it, it looks like it would work just for that reason. Good stuff. Keep it up man.

[Sammy]

Legato did his joby-job, the guy wanted 'Steampunk' and WWW is indeed steampunk. So if the chair reminds you of steampunk that's because it's steampunk :nod:

you need to color that bad-boy

[Legato]

heres the inked one, be my guest if you want to color it... if you need a better scan just im or email me

legato@inetnebr.com
legato895 - aim

i leveled this quick

http://incolor.inetnebr.com/legato/Art%20Scans/Concepts/Steampunk%20Chair%20INK.jpg

[Legato]

oh yeah, i got another invite as a concept artists for a unreal mod... this team has allot more motivation and is a far better experience than my past endeavor which basically has unofficially quit. anyway, i need to make a combat atv and was wondering if anybody here has some cool ideas floating around... or even a good isometric shot of a atv or something... anyway...

[young paddy1]

try here they're not bad http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/index.html

[Legato]

heres my first rendition of a ATV. i tried going for something very radical. most ATVs start looking the same, even in halo 2. so i went for cool and practical. the angled wheels lower the center of gravity meaning this thing is rollover resistant. anyway, i swear the front right wheel's perspective killed my eyes and brain and it still looks like crap... if anybody has their own ideas be my guest and tell me!

http://incolor.inetnebr.com/legato/Art%20Scans/Defence%20Alliance/ATV%201.0.jpg

[pvrhye]

seems like it'd be hell on the ball joints

[Main Loop]

how do u learn to do stuff like that? the mechanical things, i mean..i know a little bit about hydraulics and stuff, but where do u go to find more info on everything else?

[Sammy]

Fun concept, nice to see you ran with an idea.
I think you should make the tires more interesting if you ink it, they got the Tonka plastic wheels look. Wouldn't be hard to fix just find some ref and ink over it.

I don't have any images but there's an actual pivotal rotating rod/axil - They used to have them in old Technic sets.
Hellicopters have them. They're capable of rotating and keeping an articulate rotation at a bend.
One of those would make a great axil to beef up its underside.

(nice inking too, if you would make your lines thinner it would have more impact)

once again I really like how thought out your greebles are, with mechanical design it's always inticing to add some dots here, a slash there, a panel over there ... great to see someone keep it clean, don't lose that.

Main Loop: In a way you just gotta love it, Look at Legato's stuff.. it's obviouse that he's thought it thru - That he's either researching a lot or has an engeneering mind with a library of mechanical articulations in his head.

[Legato]

actually, this has only been leveled, not inked :P. sorry just had to get that out of the way. anyway, for me the biggest subconscious influence i think in my young childhood would be legos and technic sets. i had huge cardboard boxes of them and they helped allot. especially technic stuff. even a simple set can do tons of stuff. other than that, right now i talked to a few people for the mod and they love it. i need to work on a second revision today and somehow figure in suspension (which i foolishly forgot) and actual turning wheels... i was going to keep these like tank tracks and just have one side rotate faster/slower but now i don't think they would turn fast enough... so yeah... the shocks are going to be a tough one, but thats what comes with the job i guess! thanks again for your support!

[Sammy]

Technics rule, those were my first dose of engeneering. Sucks that lego doesn't really make 'em anymore, just incorporates their pieces here and there in packages : \
I never got my hands on the Starwars Guardian technic set, the thing rolled up in a ball and when you rolled it across the floor a trigger snaped and the robot poped up ready for action.

(Ooops my bad communication, I meant the inked chair ... I used to make my lines really thick. Thinner lines are the difference between an illustrative look and a designed/technical look... check out how thin brasshorse's lines are http://www.wildpixels.com/brasshorse/ )

[young paddy1]

only a couple of things I can see that are dodgy with that design are all around the wheels the way you have them set actually increases the likelyhood of roll over and raises the centre of gravity, if you made the tyres more spherical you could use a spring like that on a clothes peg as the suspension, an external oleo would work for shock absorbsion.

[pvrhye]

Legato, you're doing it to an extent, but i'd like to see you play up the difference in line weight to give a deeper sense of the foreground and middleground

[Legato]

can you give me an example?

[pvrhye]

http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/pvrhye/misc/chairnotes.jpg

[Legato]

so do you want me to make the foreground's lines thicker? for example, the front left leg, i already gave it lots of weight imo, but should i be giving it more?

[Legato]

oh, btw, i forgot to mention how power is supplied to the wheels. it isn't through a belt or a weird drive shaft. i was thinking that the front wheels would power themselves. i think there big enough to actually have a motor inside of them... the back could be conventionally powered, but the front would have the motor inside of it.

[chunder]

Here's some concepts drawn from sammy's creatures.

http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v135/chunder/sketch06.jpg

[pvrhye]

Nah, don't thicken those up, those are the spots that really work. Thin up a few lines in the more recessive areas like the back foot or the tank/engine shell thingy.

[Legato]

heres my thought process, version 1 -3. 3 is the final one we will use, but the modeler and i are mixing in a few aspects from #1.

http://incolor.inetnebr.com/legato/Art%20Scans/Defence%20Alliance/ATV%201-3.jpg

[nevershotdown]

WOW-
Those are pretty cool. If you and your friend model it soon post it up. I think the wheels from the second ATV concept are the best. and you should add a windshield or something like it.

Stay Happy
-nevershotdown

[Legato]

heres a gunship for a ut2k4 mod im concepting for... sorry, have to make this quick... ill post a version progression when its final

http://incolor.inetnebr.com/legato/Art%20Scans/Defence%20Alliance/Gunship%201.0.jpg

[dem0n]

Originally posted by Dan Milligan
Hey Guys,

Stuff looks great.

Hey Sammy, thought of you. Check this out.

http://www.r50rd.co.uk/research/internal/v2i/engin/

Dan

okay maybe a dumb question, but is that real?
kinda hard to know what engeneers are capable of these days so i'm not sure, but it looks kinda animated :)

btw stan, I was wondering.. have you ever done stuff like Stargate or some Egyptian styled robotics? :)
you got great imagination so I think you would be able to create some real interesting stuff.

*bump*

btw: http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/chunks/Videos/

[young paddy1]

the mini robot is cgi and most likely a viral advertisement by mini themselves, it's pretty damn cool though ain't it

[sandu22]

Reply to Wart transporter and to Sammy sketches..only the engine is different, other cathegory..:chug:

http://usr.rhp.ro/Sandu22/31954.jpg

it's an old sketch..,so we can called : "retro"? :D

[Legato]

wow... this thread is dying... anyway, here is what the final atv is basically looking like. its a combination of #1 and #3. all other changes like moving the bars forward and stuff were just verbal changes. anyway, hope you like it! btw, i didn't model any of this

http://incolor.inetnebr.com/legato/atv%20frontline.gif

[DavidCousens]

Well, I coloured this so that the thread wouldn't die, but I'm thinking that all of the broken links in this thread may prove fatal. Oh well, here goes...

CLEAR! ;)

http://img27.photobucket.com/albums/v82/DaveTheOriginal/big_tv_mech_technology.jpg


...


fingers crossed!

[.:RAPUNZEL:.]

dont let this thread die....

some undead.

sorry for this clear sketches- i moved to a new place- new job... a lot of time without internet


hope you could improve those!
baba
rapunzel!http://www.reinher.com/zombie.jpg

[.:RAPUNZEL:.]

and some ruff ones...

http://www.reinher.com/sketches2.jpg

[Legato]

heres some new stuff... I MISS YOU SAMMY!

currantly, mechanized propulsion systems (MPS) website (http://mechaps.com/) has me working on an external look and feel for what is aimed at being the first "real" mech. im hyped about this project and heres what i've brainstormed my first day... everything is a bit of a mess, so youl have to figure stuff out... if you have any questions, ask me!
http://incolor.inetnebr.com/legato/Art%20Scans/Concepts/Mass%20concepts.jpg

[brkofdon]

this thread has got to keep up! um im not a huge fan of anything mech cuz it sorta trips me out with all the gears and doo dads! anyways your concepts are pretty cool legato! i just wish there were more organic sketches in this thread! like what rapunzel has posted!

*bump*

[Sammy]

Awesome guys, thanx for the bump!

keep it goin' it's all lookin' really damn nice.

[Legato]

FYI im starting a technical thread in the sketches and ideas board! please track this link so that you can bump later on when you have something to post!

[[GiN]]

if you guys like real robots, check out sony's Qrio videos...

they dance and play football. They even have face and recognition so they know where they are and who they're with...

it's pretty cool stuff... :)

G...

[Sammy]

Yea, those little bastards are 'da bomb-digs.

I like that they can chunck little balls at you.

[H.Evans]

I hope the links get fixed...