problem with portrait drawing and shaiding!help plz

[Homayun]

hi every body
i hope u can help me!
1.why are my shaiding going like this?i think i do everything right but in the end i can't take good result,i mean that i want real shadows,like others shadows!what should i do for fix this problem?
it's just as best as i can:
http://img3.img98.com/out.php/i37004_DSC00439.JPG
2.i have problem in 3quarter view portrait drawing,my problem is destance between ear and eye!do u suggest any good metod for fix it?

sorry for my bad english and have a good time!

[citrusfrukt]

I don't think you should bother at all with any rendering at this point. Learn how to construct heads and study the structure of the head. Once you have that down the proportions(or distances if you will) will be obvious to you in any angle and you will know which areas are in light or shadow.

Here's a link for you: [/url]http://www.anticz.com/heads.htm[/url]

Also, search for "Drawing the head and hands" by Andrew Loomis, it should contain all the information you need!

Good luck!

[Black Spot]

You need more than one hardness of pencil to get different grades of shadow. Work it up from light to dark uniformly over the piece.

And Loomis will sort out your other problem.

[Homayun]

i found loomis's book!helpful,thank u guys:d
i use diffrent pencils for shadows but i think after a few minutes it seem like pencils can not put effect on my paper!!why?
how can i make real shadows??!:(

[Raoul Duke]

Just move on. Learning to shade comes with understanding the form. Your problems are pretty well rounded. Your problem with shading comes from your other problems. Just to give you an idea of how edges/shadows work, look at this.

http://www.gregpro.com/forums/Conceptorg/Paintover01.jpg

[Homayun]

tnx for pic raoul!

Which pencil is better than other one for make shadow on face skin?

[arenhaus]

It's not about pencils "for" making different things. She meant that it's easier to get a wide range of values by using pencils of different hardness. H pencils for lighter values, B pencils for darker ones, 8B for the darkest one.

It's not set in stone; you can use just one pencil, or various grades of gray colored pencils, or chalk and charcoal, or whatnot. It's all about what values you use, not how you get them.

[Homayun]

hey,i think i solved my second problem,loomis book is amazing,i hade mistake in my guaid lines!:danyway i think i should start to learn shaiding from start again!:(

thank u my friends,u are realy helpful for me:d

[Raoul Duke]

I've found it's about whatever material gives you the least amount of hassle. I use a soft drafting pencil for the line drawing/gesture and an even softer graphite stick for rendering. It's just my preference. It's all about what suits you. Try different pencils, charcoals, pens and markers until you figure out what your most comfortable with. There are a ton of pros that stick with the old fashioned no.2 pencil. They just taylor it to there needs.

Here is a link on the finer points of pencil sharpening.
http://matthewjamestaylor.com/blog/the-art-of-sharpening-pencils