The Emerald City. Witch & Emerald Hall comp (march 8th)

[Phuzion]

These are the first pics posted from my new project titled Oz Twilight. I've been working on environments for the last month since they are pretty much my weak point. Let me know what you think. They're sketches from today and last night... bout 2 hours apiece. Indigo Blue Col-Erase.

http://www.savagesunarts.com/Galleries/Project/EC01.jpg


http://www.savagesunarts.com/Galleries/Project/EC02.jpg

So yeah. C&C very very welcome. Especially any tips from you environmental heavyweight wizards. Peace

[Kunglejing]

the first one is much nicer. that little tweak in the perspective helps a lot. i'd like to see the base of the waterfall in the background and surrounding area defined a little more. I know there's probably a lot of spray and mist coming up from the water near that area, but I'd have to imagine they built the structure far enough away because if they didn't they'd be drenched 24/7 (that and the roots of the tree probably can't take hold in mud). Really nice work, the shadow lines sell it.

[gasmask]

these are sweet man! id just push the contrast more with the col erase, get those darks darker. u can even throw in some indigo blue marker, the pencil and marker go great together, a little IDT trick. try it out but i bet u already knew about it. peace
oh btw, i wouldnt call it the emerald city unless you want people to mistake it for seattle =) cheers:chug:

[Kunglejing]

I keep looking at this image... I should just keep the thread open so I don't have to keep clicking it. I want to be closer to it. It's really interesting! Have you taken a look at Buddhist Stupas? Also the bottom of the spire reminds me of the Potala Palace in Tibet. I'd love to see a crazy shot from the top of the spire looking down at the city below, with the tree doing it's thing.

[doppelganger]

Nice environment! I love the tree and the sense of massive scale you maintain with the image. I would love to see it colored!

[Marcus]

nice, I like the tree in the second one better, but I like the perspective in both of them, gj phuz!

[Phuzion]

Kunlejing: thanks. I agree with the perspective on the first one. There are aspects of both that I like, so they will probably result in a third soon. No, I haven't looked at Buddhist architecture, at least not in a long time. I just had a real clear idea on what mood I wanted... yeah, should look at ref though.

Gasmask: Thanks man. I use to do a lot of marker and pencil stuff, but I didn't think about it for this one. I agree about the contrast, Col-erase just don't go that dark... oh well.

Doppleganger: Thanks a lot ;p I may color it soon, but I've got other things to get to first... but be patient, it'll come.

Marcus: Thanks mate. I like the second tree as well, but I like the fact that the city is farther away from the viewer in the first one...

Hey, thanks all of you for the comments. And those that didn't comment, I know you at least thought about it, so thanks for that too ;p. Peace all. More c&c please!!

[Phuzion]

Okay, here's a fairly quick PS'd pencil sketch of Dorothy pre-Oz... yeah. That's all I'm going to say about it right now.

http://www.savagesunarts.com/Post/Dorothy_01.jpg

[Koryh]

Looking good.
For environment stuff, I would try to stay away from anything square. Format that is. It will automaticly make it static. go for a panoramic format or push the vertical. It's all about selling an idea. so make sure that everything in he composition, including the aspect ratio, is going to that end.

OK here is a picture. but I think in this case it's only worth about, 225 words.
http://korysdiner.homestead.com/files/FORUM/FIXES/untitled-1.jpg

Keep up the good work.

I like the sexy girls.

[-The Swift-]

great sketches, i prefer the first one

paint it in colour!:)

[Phuzion]

Koryh: Hey thanks for that ;p I had an anamorphic widescreen in mind, but sort of forgot about that in the sketch... I'll deffinately get it in the next sketch though. I love the composition you got there too. Awesome. And, yeah, sexy girls are... fun ;D Thanks again.

-The Swift-: hey thanks! Yeah, I'll paint it up, just not sure what medium yet, heh heh. But that's always the struggle.

More to come! Peace

[Travis_Bourbeau]

thats some nice work ! chard to get cole erase pencils areound here I really like the poprotions of the girl too would make a good model

[Jucas]

Daniel-San:

This is looking good, I see that you incorporated a little of what we talked about at lunch that one day, The second piece is much better than the first.

Dorothy is looking good, looks like Sharon :D

First impression leaves me with the feeling of two seperate elements. Something to consider would be the unification of the two structures (tree and tower). Maybe somehow introduce elements of the tree (more so) into the tower and visa-versa. On the other hand if you want the structures to be seperate I would emphasize it, really push the differences. Remember we read pictures view contrast and comparison via association.

We talked about size differences that one day, and the golden mean right? I think so, and you've definately done a better job on the second picture, it is much more visually interesting. Push it though, the variation of tree/tower isn't enough yet, but I think you are on the right track with the roots. The roots could also play a interesting comp element.

As far as the second sketch is concerned, I think you may be losing some of the perspective on the towers. Visually the center tower feel more 'straight' leaning forward, and the smaller tower seem to be leaning away slightly. Not so important for this stage, but something just to take note of.

I hope the comments aren't to vague.

-J

You look ripped in your avatar...

[Phuzion]

Hey hey! Zen-J my friend. Thanks for the lengthy crit. I wish people would leave those more often. Do you think Dorothy looks like Sharon? I certainly had her mind, though wasn't concerned with a likeness yet. Vente pointed out that she's not wearing a bra... Heh heh.
Anyway, I'm feeling what you're saying. I'm going to be doing another version of the Emerald city on Wednesday, but I'll do it the way I originally wanted to. I first started just doodling, then it ended up more polished than I had intended, and since I still had space on the page, i did the second one. My sketch book wasn't wide enough to do an anamorphic widescreen shot, so I'll hit it the next time, with some inspiration from Koryh's killer comp. I'll deffinately keep in mind all that you've said as well. I also had done a sketch in class in which I added some architecture to parts of the tree, to mix the two a little bit. As far as size difference, I don't want to push it too much. I don't want the tree to look like a creeper vine, nor do I want it to look like it should crush the tower... but I'll play with some variation a bit more. Thanks again man. I'll see you in class. Peace

I look ripped because I AM ripped ;p Nah, I'm just wirey, heh heh. It's all those damn pushups!!

[AttackCat]

Hey Phuzion, I like that environment a lot. I first saw it and was like, oh cool. Now looking again, damn. After reading what Jucas said, maybe you could make the roots a bit more prominent by having one or two pop out of the water slightly towards the opposite shore. Maybe as a sort of leading line from the tree in the foreground to the island itself? And if that Dorothy is typical of Emerald City, then please give me directions, she is hot. Great work.

[Vader]

I love the first sketches they really convey a dreamy feeling. The design is interesting and i like the way you have got the tree grwoing around the building. Maybe you could incorperate the tree as part of the building itself. Have the branches growing through the structure...just my opinion i,m not telling you how to do your job or anything.

Vader

[Phuzion]

Okay, here's a... concept... loooong sketch... thing... of the Wicked Witch of the West....

Everything from the neck down is still in progress, so yeah... hence the unfinished look to those areas. BUT!! regardless, lemme know what you think so far, cause it's always helpful and nice to know.

http://www.savagesunarts.com/Post/Twilight.jpg

P.S. Let me know if it looks too dark on your screens. I've been working on my laptop, so it's hard to tell sometimes. Thanks ;p Peace all

[sodomizer]

Woah!!! her tits are huge, i bet if we could see the whole thing, they'd be bigger than her head. LOL:rofl:

[Locrian]

The horns don't seem to be aligned. Intentional?

[William b. Hand]

These images are fantastic, Phuzion! Love that wicked witch. I'm looking forward to this threads progression... Is this a personal project, or something more... expansive?

[pogonip]

Those are badass:D

[Jucas]

Nice Daniel-san, I am thouroghly inspired by your drive to create, it will lead you far.

General crits- Watch out for the horns, like somebody else mentioned. They are not placed on the place on the forward most plate of the forehead.

Also double check the ears, the one on the right side (her left) seems signicantly lower than the other side. At first glance Her left ear seems (our right) seems to far up toward the mask of the face, the ears, as I am sure you know, are half way between the mask of the face and the back the skull.

Well... I've been think about what we talked about at lunch, stereotypes and architypes, we disccused, and I solidified a little more insight into story telling. I want to make a comment on the picture in those regards but I think it may be easier if we do it in person... I still need to digest and try to assimilate the information...

-J

I'll be on AIM tonight... If you want to talk, but I'd perfer in person, I hate this internet chatting shit :p,

[Phuzion]

good crits everyone. I didn't notice the horns... and WOW those breasts got away from me. I actually cropped the image, cause I felt they became too much of a focus, so I'll post the new one tomorrow sometime.

Zen-J my friend, we'll certainly talk later. Indian food tomorrow? I'm going to get some... Late.

William b. Hand: It's a personal project I'm doing for a class, but I've been kicking it around in my dome for about a year or so, and now I have the chance to flesh it out a bit, so I'm gonna milk it for all it's worth ;p

I'm also going to work on a portrait of Dorothy soon, so that'll be going up here too.

Thanks everyone for all the compliments and crits, always always appreciated. Peace all.

[Phuzion]

I forgot to post these. So here ya go:

I know her right ear is still having problems... but production is more important at this point, so I'm going to say that she's good enough for now....
http://www.savagesunarts.com/Post/Twilight_03.jpg



And here's a full res detail.... I dunno, I think details are enlightening... ;p
http://www.savagesunarts.com/Post/cropped.jpg

Okay, here's a quick comp model done in 3DS Max and Mental Ray... There will be more details over all, this was just to establish the mood of the Emerald Hall in which Dorothy acquires the Emerald sword, which will be atop the pedestal. There will also be some Art Nouveau style swirls and stuff instead of the railing posts... yeah. More details overall. Lemme know what you think of the basic design and stuff.
http://www.savagesunarts.com/Post/EmeraldHall_05.jpg