Arshes Nei - WTF?

[GriNGo]

Why are you hurt about this? WTF do you close every thread you don't agree on? we are discussing civilized, and ok, even jason had his say in there. So whats the big deal? So I don't get what is your problem? I really think people should take away your moderation rights, if you don't agree, then dont read the thread.

This is the thread I'm talking about. Lets hope you won't close this one too, cause I have a right to diss you off, even if you don't agree with it.
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=183875

[zulu]

if the ones with power doesnt agree with you...will use their power.

[Jovian M]

She didn't really give a reason to close it, now did she?

Dunno if you need to go as far as telling Mason Janley to take away her mod powers; she obviously has 'em for a reason.

[arttorney]

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. Local drama four times a year. International drama-ongoing.

Go vote in the who should be a new mod thread. Those people have the ability to see who is a troll, who is a fake account created just for voting, who is a fake account created just for complaining, etc. How do they do it?:wtf: (sarcasm. I know how they do it. Don't care)((and frankly, I have a fake account, but don't abuse it. Go figure))

[kab]

So, lets recap. The thread was closed because it was a random and somewhat inappropriately placed thread that turned into a discussion about whether or not someone deserves to win a scholarship, with a bunch of stuff thrown in about German artists being given magical free money (which, to the best of my knowledge sounds like absolute bullshit).

A lot of people join these forums and of those just a few are dedicated enough to progress to a certain level, saying that because they worked hard and got good, they shouldn't have an opportunity they obviously want is disrespectful and flat out dumb.

Jason said something in there for one reason, because some guy was rambling about people (and in the context of that thread that was basically Jason) being materialistic. Everyone knows that for most people, pursuing art means you'll have to sacrifice and work your ass off. Scholarships are a big break for an artist and any serious artist would be dumb not to go for it when given that opportunity. How anyone can say that scholarships are a bad thing is beyond me, good education costs money, that's fact, that's life, anything else is fantasy.

If I was a mod I'd closed that thread as soon as people started naming "less deserving" artists and given anyone who did a warning for good measure.

[GriNGo]

hey hey, take it easy now, i believe the main purpose of that thread was not dissing out german artists. And dudes, the world is bigger than Europe & the US. Line "proved" that his black metal musician friends were recieving welfare - so even if not all artists benefit from it, it's clearly a better situation for people living there than for people living in South America or Malaysia for 300$ monthly pay, normal 8-10 hour jobs. Do people in your countries earn that much flipping burguers? I don't think so. That thread was more a discussion about who needs help the most: if somebody that's already VERY good, or someone who isnt that good, but has lots of potential. If you think people were dissing certain individuals, then you just didn't fucking read, or understood whatever you wanted to undertand.

[IanE]

Id like to close this one too so it doesn't waste any more precious "cheer me up" bandwidth.

Go draw.

[Armonah]

The thread itself wasn't offensive, and the discussion wasn't inappropriate or derailed (other than the fact that it wasn't about the OP's self-advertising anymore, and the whole German government side-discussion). Some people said Alpenfleiger didn't need the scholarship as much as others did (which is why they most likely voted for someone else) and that is a valid opinion. Nobody however suggested that Alpen should have had his scholarship taken away for whatever reason.

No system is perfect? That goes without saying, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss on how the system could be improved in the future, or that we can't express our dislike over how the system works today. Having said that, there was only one person in that thread who seemed to be truly butthurt:

Why are people so...I dunno butthurt over who wins it?
Hey you know what, why do they give out scholarships to left handed people, why can't they be more democratic in every scholarship that's handed out? That's just how it works. You hunt for any scholarship you can and try to get it. You win some you lose some. You can't expect everything to be some fancy Democratic setup. That includes the TAD ones. There is no perfect system. It's all run by humans who have different tastes and ideals and that's just how it is.

Just sad and ugly. Gonna close it because people just have to twist something because of other inadequacies in life.
Irony.

[kab]

What was the purpose of that thread? Was it

A: a discussion of someones worthyness of getting a break any developing artist that is serious about improvement would want.

B: whether or not human civilization should use a trading system based around a common currency and whether or not the people should give their services away for free instead, magically creating a world of love and happiness.

C: whether or not German artists recieve scholarships or financial aid to aid in their creation of cultural content.

D: a plea for a vote.

E: A meaningsless ramble on all of the above

I'd say Arshes did one thing wrong, not closing it at first sight. I mean, start calling people out for pursuing their best interest in a free-for-all competition is just low, and I'm feeling like I am furthering the argument by responding, so I'll just shut up...

Armonah:
The discussion was just that, derailed and inappropriate in many ways.

[arttorney]

If that's (last Gringo post) about my post, then you're right. I didn't read everything. Here's why:

Local drama- every three months we have to start acting like a bunch of bitches on CA for no apparent reason. I'm kind of tired of it.

International drama- lots of complete jackasses want to kill each other over lame things like religion and national boundaries and, at least for me, that puts a thing like a few hundred bucks into perspective. Hence do not care about the scholarships.

[GriNGo]

IanE - I kinda draw better than you, so I think you should devote more time to that.
RAB - It was a D that turned into an A. The rest is you trying to look smarter.
Arttorney - my post was more about RAB's first reply. Anyways, i don't think the original thread was people getting pissed, or international hatred or something. it was a civilized discussion... do go read it.

[kab]

Actually, it was D until post three or so, when you felt you had to throw someones name in there, stating that they were less deserving of getting a scholarship because you thought he was good enough to get a job at his current skill level. If you think that someone is more deserving, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But I can't imagine why you felt it was necessary to point him out as being less deserving. I just want to point out the fact that outside of the level of his work and his country of residence, you probably know nothing about Algen's situation, financial or personal. I would say it is in very poor etiquette to talk about people deserving this and that with such a limited knowledge of the situation. But to each his own, I guess... I have no stake in who gets the scholarship, just stating an opinion, that that kind of discussion was inappropriate, unecessary and disrespectful to someone who after all has no advantage in the competition other than the rewards of hard work and dedication, to his work and obviously to this community.

[GriNGo]

Uh, no, I was just explaining my reasons why I voted for Yinteck, NOT why Algen shouldn't deserve it. Go read again. I really don't care about Algens personal situation - his work seems to show that he has gotten over it anyhow. He's a fine example of a hard working artist. But yeah, I kinda think other people are also AS HARDWORKING as he is, in less fortunate circumstances. Wanna come live in a 3rd world country for a couple of years? Could you survive our circumstances (yinteck's, mines, etc)?

[Culo]

*sigh*
http://conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=930482&stc=1&d=1268637542

[BlightedArt]

*Writes on the dirty rear window of this thread:*

"Please Lock Me."

[nauvice]

kab, threads don't need to be closed because you want to decide what people are allowed to talk about. I dont think Gringo's reaction is necessary (with all the cursing an all... lock is imminent) but it is somewhat annoying when a few moderators go a power trip and just close any thread that isnt going their way.

So if you were a mod, I think you should look up to those without huge egos like Elwell and others, I dont see him lock threads that often.

[kab]

I've read it, multiple times, and it's still offensive towards Algenpfleger.

"I'd rather vote for Yinteck, than for algenpfleger, you know why? Cause algenpfleger already could be WORKING in some company/freelance with the quality of work he already makes, YINTECK still needs that push to make his work become stellar. I prefer to help one who REALLY NEEDS HELP, then kiss ass all the time. And don't get me started with the 1st world /3rd world issues..."

You are already ranting here, saying that one is more worthy than another, with no real reason to believe so other than geographical location, bringing about a discussion on someones worthyness based on a severely limited amount of knowledge.

I might be a spoiled Norwegian, but atleast I don't go around ranking people based on their location in the world according to stereotypes. You can work as hard as you want, but unless you give people respect, you won't be treated with respect. Take a look at this thread and see how you come across to a mod who is doing her job. You say that it is your right to diss her, well, you are wrong about that. Like Jason has said repeatedly, this forum does not give you the right to do anything, you do not have freedom of speech or action on here. Instead, if you abide by it's rules and play nice, you are allowed to stay and partake in a community of artists and creative people who share knowledge and respect. I suggest you think about that fact and just be happy that you weren't hit flat in the head with the banhammer for making this thread in the first place, there are a million forums and mods out there who would have done so in a heartbeat.

Z Warrior: it's not about what I, or any of the mods, want to have discussed, it is whether or not the mods let a discussion of someone's socalled worthyness that is rapidly becoming heated go on without taking action. The mods on CA generally do a damn good job of keeping personal attacks of any nature to a minimum, and Elwell is a shining example of that. If you have a problem with a mod, take it up with them via PM instead of making a thread calling them out. I'm sure they appreciate the input if you tell them in a civilized way and you might actually do some good for the forums instead of stir up additional drama.

Over and out...

-Kim

[GriNGo]

Culo - 17 posts. Nuff said.
Blighted Thread - This won't survive a day I'm sure.
Zwarrior - You read my mind man.
Kab- What sterotype did I talk about? The "stereotype" that Algen's work is already PRO LEVEL? I never discussed his worthiness or anything related! STFU about that. Everything else you say is pure bla bla. so whatever.

[s.ketch]

I didn't get to comment before it was locked, I was working up to it, trying to get a feel for what everyone was saying before I came in.

I'm not trying to be inflammatory when I say this but I think people seriously need to reconsider their priorities. This goes a little beyond that particular thread as I have seen threads in the past that seem to share the same tone. We as aspiring artists need to understand what we're getting into and what it takes to pull it off with marginal success. Some people just don't seem to get it.

It would be disingenuous for me to point the finger at others while acting like I am above it, so I want to say that I'm not. As much as I hate it sometimes, I have a better job than most for someone my age with no more than a high-school degree. The reason I wasn't able to sign up for the art department was because instead of taking advantage of such an opportunity, I've spent my hard earned dollar on shit I don't need. My priorities are completely out of wack. I realize this. I know that I could pay my way for at least a semester if I had thought about my future instead of temporary happiness.

I see people putting themselves, maybe due to naivety, into situations they don't need to be. Much like how I put myself in a bad position. I'm gonna quote an example.

I've got plenty of damn bills to pay, a dental situation that's eating away my savings from my tech support job (for an incredibly crappy, somewhat corrupt company) to a point of near financial ruin, a wife to support in addition to figuring out a way out of it all. I've moved 900 miles across the country twice in the past two years, have had to buy 2 cars, and am still without any type of insurance in spite of my efforts.

And I'm not picking on the guy who said this because I think there are a lot of people around here in a similar situation and I would like to address you all.

Firstly, disregarding the statement "a wife to support" because she needs to support herself, but why get in a long-term or very serious relationship knowing full well that you might not be able to stick around to enjoy it? I know there are various rationalizations but the bottom line is that none of us are in the position to settle down yet. No wonder you need money so bad you're having to support two people instead of one. And it's your own decision to be in that position. It's not Jason Manley's fault, it's not the economy's fault or George Bush's fault or Barack Obama's fault. You chose to get involved with someone without the means to back it up. This is what I am talking about with priorities.

It's not heartless, or cold, or emotionless to be intelligent about major life decisions like getting married. If it's true love it can wait, and if the person is any bit bright they will understand. Hold off on marriage, chase your dreams because ,hey, they're your dreams not hers and then figure out a way to make it work once you have a solid career.

And I could go on all night about other things like having fifty pets or brand new computers. But hopefully you guys get what I am saying by now. It's not all about wasteful spending either but about wasteful decisions.

Think really really really hard about what you want. If you want to be an artist then that's going to have to be at the top of your list. Don't look to other people for what you want. Everything you do that doesn't help you achieve that goal is just another weight. I know that's going to sound really cold to you guys because you're all usually a bunch of sweethearts. But it's not fair to drag other people along with you and it's not fair to yourself. You just have to start getting things in order and know what exactly you want out of life. We all need to.

[kab]

Culo - 17 posts. Nuff said.
Blighted Thread - This won't survive a day I'm sure.
Zwarrior - You read my mind man.
What sterotype did I talk about? The "stereotype" that Algen's work is already PRO LEVEL? Everything else you say is pure bla bla. so whatever.

The fact that you simply assume that one "needs" it more than the other based on the fact Algen is German, while Yin is from Malaysia... Which is what I got from your shouting and ranting on about "first/third world country issues" or whatever.

If you think mutual respect and reason is "bla, bla, bla" then that's your loss, trust me. And for this being locked, Arshes Nei has been reading this thread since it was opened, no doubt having a grand old time :)

[GriNGo]

Think really really really hard about what you want. If you want to be an artist then that's going to have to be at the top of your list. Don't look to other people for what you want. Everything you do that doesn't help you achieve that goal is just another weight. I know that's going to sound really cold to you guys because you're all usually a bunch of sweethearts. But it's not fair to drag other people along with you and it's not fair to yourself. You just have to start getting things in order and know what exactly you want out of life. We all need to.

Thanks man, love this. This is the type of replies Arshes Nei doesn't want us mortals to discuss. It's too hurtful and full of hate, and jealousy. We definitley are bad people, who don't deserve to discuss anything.

[GriNGo]

The fact that you simply assume that one "needs" it more than the other based on the fact Algen is German, while Yin is from Malaysia... Which is what I got from your shouting and ranting on about "first/third world country issues" or whatever.

Nope, I based my decision to vote for Yinteck cause he's clearly not there yet, and "needs" the help... but on the other hand Algen, well just check out his work. And at the beggining of the post I think you forgot to read that i said "anybody can vote for whoever he wants". So stop kissing Arshes Nei's ass.

[crossmirage]

Can't we all just get along? :(

[kab]

Whether or not you were taking location into account (which I am sure you were by the way you keep mentioning "third world this and that"), it all cooks down to the fact that you were being an asshole when pointing out someone like that, and your inecessary naming of Algen in there turned that thread into a personal attack on him more than anything, which should've been closed a lot earlier than it was.

[GriNGo]

Location IS IMPORTANT for these types of situations (scholarships). I'm pretty sure if you came from an underpriviledged situation, you would say the same. But since you don't then whatever. It was no personal attack, Jason would've closed the thread if he though it was. We know how he is. He doesn't tolerate. I initially replied to the thread cause certain fellows were like "that's not fair Yinteck! Why the heck should i vote for you and not for algen heh?" And a rather interesting discussion started. You don't know how to read english, that's it, your ranting is based on your misunderstanding. Stick to norwegian. Well anyways, good night. enough being pissed off for a day.

[kab]

When Jason posted the discussion was still in it's infancy, I'm not saying your post was an attack in itself, but it was surely unnecessary. It became a discussion about whether or not Algen was worthy of the scholarship, that is an attack at him, even if the reason why he wouldn't be was his skill and location.

And I am not saying Arshes handled that thread in a good way, however, the discussion was not constructive and was headed towards ugly, and this sure isn't the way to adress your issues with the mod-squad.

And I think I read English just fine, thank you. If you want to argue with me regarding my english or anything else, feel free to send me a PM, but don't throw it in here to derail this fantastic thread of yours.

There's a difference between ranting and making an argument, you starting this thread sure doesn't fall in the last category.

[RyerOrdStar]

Scholarships are always awarded based on merit -- that's why people have to send in portfolios to get them? This was clearly not a needs based scholarship since there was a public poll with only their artwork and no financial/personal information about the applicants. Whoever's best gets it. Simple as that, and no need to go around whining 'cause someone's good.

[GriNGo]

RyerOrdStar - read the original thread. We discussed that excuse.

[Cerasela]

Gringo if you want to have a normal discussion about the Scholarships and how to help the other members who can´t afford it but shows potential with the limited resources they have because of several reasons. You could have pm arshes nei and ask to re-open the thread. And not to diss her in public.

It´s different to say what can be improved ,than to go over to algenpfleger and to compare him with other nominates on the situations they live on , where you exactly don´t know about ,what they have been gone through.

So what can be done to help members without professional training?

-you can help to improve the reference and ressource section ! Organized Knowledge to give back ,is one of the most important thing for artists.

-the mentor section could be renewed , i´m sure there can be a way to bring more to it again than now

-look what Mr.Delicious does with his dagger team ,tons to learn from his lifestream!

-Contests where wacom tablets,software .portfolio reviews and learning books can be a prize

To help those people with limited resources, is how to help this site to grow. And to show respect to other people around you , as well.

[RyerOrdStar]

RyerOrdStar - read the original thread. We discussed that excuse.

I've read the original thread. Doesn't change anything. It's not an 'excuse'. It's how scholarships work. I don't care if a millionaire got it -- if he's the best, he deserves it. Now, a millionaire would probably return it (hopefully), but something tells me that no matter how people think Algen is in real life, he's not near wealthy enough to be able to return the money because he doesn't 'need' it.

And as a side note it's incredibly disrespectful and crass to talk about another artist like that.

[Hive_minD]

GriNGo, I have read both the threads. But as you surely have seen I haven´t replied. I can see everyones side on this, but sometimes I find you come to strong off... You say we are discussing civilized, but then why on earth are you coming with comments such as:

IanE - I kinda draw better than you, so I think you should devote more time to that.
So what, he said go draw, maybe he didn´t mean it in an offensive way... We have after all discussed this in a completely other thread...

Culo - 17 posts. Nuff said.
come on... I have been in these threads for 5 years (as a registered member) and my count could damn well be higher, but I more often than not rather read than write. Could be the same with Culo. How many posts he has had shouldn´t really have anything to say about his opinion.

Kab- What sterotype did I talk about? The "stereotype" that Algen's work is already PRO LEVEL? I never discussed his worthiness or anything related! STFU about that. Everything else you say is pure bla bla. so whatever.

You very often actually speak civilized and come with points which I really find worth listening to (even though I do not agree to them all), but as soon as I see comments like those above a red flag goes up... no matter what the other person said.
Now to make it clear, this is not a personal attack, just saying that as soon as I read such things then I all of a sudden think wtf is he doing?

Best wishes,
Chris

[TASmith]

just a note on locking threads. It's not preventing discussion. People who want to can still send each other private messages or emails. It's more about the face of conceptart - what we all want to see and don't want to see, and what presents us in a favorable light. Arguing openly about who deserves a scholarship is petty and unprofessional. I imagine scholarships will be awarded every year - many called and few are chosen. Anyone who wants one should just keep working harder, spend more time planning longterm (imagine what people will remember when they look back on debates like this), and less time whining.

Also Ian's a pretty damn good architect. I've seen his drawings and I was blown away.

[CaNiBaLe]

I think there was an interesting debate going on in there...

[Slash]

You make John Galt cry!

[zulu]

if everybody will talk without trying to get to a point, and everybody tries to fuck everybody, this isnt going to work, and is useles.

I will try to give a closure to this and say:

Scholarship: c'mon, ive never seen a "poor" guy recieve one, people here dont look down.

algen thing: he deserves it, no fckng doubt, but the poll was bullshit.

No one does a thing: ....to change nothing, as always, and everybody just cares about himself.


So please, stop it, be nice to each other, and have a nice day, im out.

Cya

[nauvice]

RyerOrdStar, its not whoever is best wins an Internet public poll. Its whoever has the most fans, period. Coincidentally in this one, the guy with the most fans is more technically advanced in digital art than his peers. (I wouldnt say "better", subjective and just an argument of opinions, some were versatile with traditional work)

edit: My issue isnt with anyone who wins, since Arshes Nei went off accusing me of being envious and that I would then say Janaschi didnt deserve it either, before locking the thread so noone could refute to her unnecessary outburst. Algen does deserve it. I just think this system was pointless and the poll was predictable. internet voting polls have always been who has more fans than anything else. It was a celebrity vs amateurs, noone was really on equal footing here, and that's beside skills.

[nauvice]

just a note on locking threads. It's not preventing discussion. People who want to can still send each other private messages or emails. It's more about the face of conceptart - what we all want to see and don't want to see, and what presents us in a favorable light.

Sorry disagree. Because what should be the face of conceptart [lounge] is subjective. I havent been here since it started but I doubt it was meant to be some sort of perfect utopia where all discussions have to be positive and no debate is allowed. If people disagree with something, they have the right to share their opinions openly, because other people might share similar thoughts.

[Koji Bryant]

I don't know what the deal is. But all I know is free mypaint feels and paints way better than the bloated Painter.

[Farvus]

The morale of this story is... get fans! :)

[Armonah]

Just to clear something up: I'm not on anyone's side with this. Not on Algen or anyone else's, I'm not against anyone either. I simply think the voting could have been handled much better, and I hope some of the feedback will be taken into account in the future (or at least looked at) instead of being brushed off with "No system is perfect, so deal with it!"
Just because a system isn't perfect is not a reason to tell people to shut up about it. It's actually a reason to see how people think about it, and how it could be improved (where improvement is needed).

I am not saying I'm unhappy with who won, or that he didn't deserve it because of how the voting happened. In fact, I'm sure he would have won even if the voting was purely a vote from CA members, and nobody from dA or Facebook or what-have-you would have gotten involved.

GriNGo: You're not doing yourself any favors (or anyone else for that matter) with this attitude. If you want to get a point across you're better off doing it in a more sophisticated way. Using coarse language and passive agressiveness only aggravates people, and it doesn't reflect well on you or your argument. I wish Yinteck the best of luck next year though (if he decides to give it another try, that is :P)

kab: I personally didn't see both threads as a personal attack against Algen, but now that you've mentioned it at least I can understand why it struck a chord with so many people (you, Algen, Arshes).
To me, it was more a discussion on reasons for voting, and the voting in general, and it's kinda unfortunate that people got offended over a topic where it wasn't needed at all. There are valid reasons to vote for someone, even if they contradict those of someone else (for instance Cerasela and GriNGo both bring up good arguments to vote for who they did).

[nauvice]

The morale of this story is... get fans! :) yes. I think I made it sound bad (it could be bad if the person sucks but uses his followers to win anything anyway), but it is a smart thing to do. my teachers have always recommended me to "get your name out there" and dont wait until you finish school. :grandpa:

[Randis]

OK, boring drama, next.
everyone is free to vote for their own personal reason without having to explain themselves.

Everyone is free to add me on facebook now!


http://www.facebook.com/fapsomemore (http://www.facebook.com/fapsomemore)

[squidmonk3j]

You make John Galt cry!

Who is John Galt?

[Arshes Nei]

Just to clear something up: I'm not on anyone's side with this. Not on Algen or anyone else's, I'm not against anyone either. I simply think the voting could have been handled much better, and I hope some of the feedback will be taken into account in the future (or at least looked at) instead of being brushed off with "No system is perfect, so deal with it!"
Just because a system isn't perfect is not a reason to tell people to shut up about it. It's actually a reason to see how people think about it, and how it could be improved (where improvement is needed).


This is a scholarship award. A scholarship system doesn't have a perfect system because its major flaw is because it's someone else's money who puts up a system on how they want that awarded money to be used.

I closed the thread because it was coming to personal attacks. People were talking about Algen's financial situation that somehow he can get something free and therefore mooching off of applying for a TAD scholarship.

Scholarships are handed out every day to many people with extremely odd reasons. I mentioned the left handed one. Just for being left handed you get money. You got a cousin named Elvetta maybe you get a scholarship.

The thing is you can essentially use your scholarships that you win for schooling whether related to the career or not so long as the money is good.

The fact is, Algen's name got dropped a lot like he didn't deserve it. So I don't see why this should have kept up because other people are hurt about it.

I've stated multiple times that it's ok to vote for who you wanted in that scholarship. Everyone has their reasons. When it starts going into attacking others for even TRYING for a scholarship that's when it's bad.

This thread is also closed. Start another one up again attacking members of this board - get banned.

[Jason Manley]

1. the artist most ready for the scholarship won. That is a good thing. To say otherwise is just mindboggling.
2. this community ranted for months about not having a voice in important decisions. I listen. I set up a way for people to have a voice. Bam..its the worst thing ever! It just goes to show, that even when the opportunity of a student career is being given away that it is bound to upset some people.
3. location has nothing to do with merit in almost every case. Everyone on this site has access to the downloads (and those are affordable no matter where one lives), the free info on this site, the free tutorials all over the net and on the TAD site...whether one gets that information, and makes it happen is another story entirely.

4. When someone is ready for a scholarship they get one...at least while they are available. If they did not get one, then they just need to work harder. It took me three years and two tries to get my fat scholarship to Art Center (which I turned down to follow a girl to Ringling and also study with Carl Dobsky and another friend). I started with nothing. Orphaned. Broke. No skills. Zero support. No education. I had to grind through jobs that paid less than I needed just to stay alive and with shelter. I had to work for it and so does everyone else. Those who have and do are rewarded. It is how life works.

IT IS OF NOTE...that one of the things we do look for when giving scholarships is attitude and personality. If someone is a problem maker, a drama creator, or headache, or just a pain in the neck, do you think we will have them studying with us, close to all the faculty, and bring them into our lives? The answer is no. Not a chance. Who a person is can have major impact on how far they go in life. Bad behavior is not rewarded around here and that has always been the case.

Anyone saying that the scholarship winners do not deserve it are coming from a skewed perspective. I have never seen a more deserving bunch in my life.



Jason

[Armonah]

OK, boring drama, next.
everyone is free to vote for their own personal reason without having to explain themselves.

Everyone is free to add me on facebook now!

http://www.facebook.com/fapsomemore (http://www.facebook.com/fapsomemore)
I was surprised to find out that this was an actual link to your facebook.

I also added you http://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/m/meow.gif

[Randis]

I was surprised to find out that this was an actual link to your facebook.

I also added you http://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/m/meow.gif

It is easy to remember hue he he

welcome!

[Black Spot]

I don't know why this thread was unlocked, but being a mod is difficult for many reasons. Arshes does loads behind the scenes that most of you will never see. You have no idea the work she puts it and then gets slapped in the face for preventing drama. Grow up. I don't agree with every mod, but I don't make a personal thread about it.

[nauvice]

2. this community ranted for months about not having a voice in important decisions. I listen. I set up a way for people to have a voice. Bam..its the worst thing ever! It just goes to show, that even when the opportunity of a student career is being given away that it is bound to upset some people.

But do you understand what was upsetting about it to some? Im not defending the who needed it more debate, just that the "community" vote was not from the community (only). Yes the winner deserves it, but hypothetically, say an animuu guy who's very popular in deviantart applies for a TAD scholarship and gets his fans with accounts here to vote, I think a lot more people would be pissed. And technically its not breaking the rule, since they're voting for who they feel like, and he just happens to be more popular than the other contestants.

So in fixing this, either this "community vote" scholarship rules would require nominees to both work hard and garner followers, or set it up in a private forum where only members with 30+post accounts can see and vote.

[arttorney]

About the whole "people getting votes in ways I don't like" line of argument:

Earlier today I went to the TAD info thread to see what the hubbub was about and I saw that they expressly say they will be having 6 month evaluations that must be passed. It seems clear that TAD has certain self-cleaning features and anybody who got in on scholarship by some kind of voting irregularity won't last long unless they thoroughly get their shit together in a big way, and right away. (This is like law school, by the way. Getting admitted is not the trick. Staying the course (adequate performance at milestone times) is what is hard).

Everybody should just not get their knickers in a bunch here IMHO.

[CKLamb]

You know...there will always be next year.

And, I am pretty sure, but correct me if I am wrong, Algen is only going to need one full ride...soooo...I will let you make that logical leap.

BTW, this is a popularity contest, but you have to look at why he's popular: Badass Artist. Not so much because he's a super socialite, TBH I can't really gather much about what kind of person he is from his sketchbooks, and he doesn't waste time chattering like a monkey around here....to busy working I suppose.

Okay, back to the shadows with me.

[Armonah]

About the whole "people getting votes in ways I don't like" line of argument:

Earlier today I went to the TAD info thread to see what the hubbub was about and I saw that they expressly say they will be having 6 month evaluations that must be passed. It seems clear that TAD has certain self-cleaning features and anybody who got in on scholarship by some kind of voting irregularity won't last long unless they thoroughly get their shit together in a big way, and right away. (This is like law school, by the way. Getting admitted is not the trick. Staying the course (adequate performance at milestone times) is what is hard).

Everybody should just not get their knickers in a bunch here IMHO.
Thanks for clearing this up :)

[Bill]

Perhaps, in the interest of avoiding controversies, future scholorship considerations ought to include a swimsuit competition?

[arttorney]

I'd buy that for a dollar!
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[Line]

Wow! I'm suprised to see how all that was said has been considered a nagging debate. The way I saw it was purely philosophical and about the 'scholarship' thing in general, not in particular to the ones being given by TAD.

Sure there was bound to be dissapointment but, I never felt anyone was nagging. Maybe I misunderstood most of the peoples tone.

The only thing I can admit is that I was suprised and felt bad about Algen's plea for help in contrast to Yinteck's but only because Yinteck was pointed out for it. Both artists should have asked for votes, as they did, and it's good that they did. It shows initiative in my book.

Other than that, the whole thing is purely philosophical. And about the stuff I posted about my German friends. It's not bad to find funding if you can. I didn't imply Algen had such. It's a shame if he hasn't, he should persue it. I'll try to find more info from my friends and post it for the German artists here.

[Crane]

When the hell did people start bitching about things that happen on the intern- oh wait...

on a lighter note, anyone up for a party at Nandos?