Victrix Patientia Duris. The 90 Sketchbook challenge! 1 down 89 to go!

[Crane]

Update 2012

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I just had my sketchbook threads merged into one (thank you Star eater)

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Recently I got a bulk of 90 sketchbooks on ebay and have challenged myself to fill them all up, hopefully getting down a speed of one per week.

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[Crane]

More pics 2nd page

[van]

Right on. Got some good stuff in here. So, since you are young and just getting ready to hit the pavement hard I would suggest you start with some anatomy studies. Got any anatomy books? Draw the illustrations. Learn how the human bone structure is put together and then the muscles. It pays off.

Welcome to CA.

[IanE]

Visible improvements here, Neon. I agree with Van, anatomy and proportion are the most important things to learn first. There are some great things online by Andrew Loomis, www.saveloomis.org, and plenty of great stuff here and at The Society of Figurative Arts, www.tsofa.com, both are well worth checking out. You're off to a good start, I'll check back in a couple days and see how you're doing. Welcome to CA and best wishes.

[IllustriousHarry]

Oooh, its great to see earlier stuff. Since you have been drawing like that since you were 13, you must have a built up library of cool stuff/charectors, keep drawing and set it free! That was cheesier than the seriously strong chedder cheese toast next to me.

But seriously your inspire me to give more commitment to my drawings, and draw the cool stuff I like.

[hurricane]

make sure to make guide lines before you start to draw/paint, i can see in your girlfriends portrei that your lines are off, make some facial or anatomical studies if htat is what you want, in a year or two you'll look back and be happy of the progress you've made, i know, i'm laughing now at my old stuff :)


great pics, and the key to progress is to think of what you do and how to improve it, and most of all, draw every day. EVERYDAY !!!


cheers ! and welcome to the boards !

[Crane]

Hey guys.

Van: Thanks! ya i have one book, i did download 5 loomis books, but i had to reformat this f-ing comp because its a bastard. i hate doing anatomy studies, but i guess it has to be done..woo.

IanE: Thanks dude. Read above haha.

Harry: Yo man, I dunno how many drawings i got, prob not as many as ya might think. I inspire you? wow thats rich haha, never thought i'd hear that from no one.

Hurricane: :jawdrop: Omg. Thee hurricane just left a comment...whoo hoo! Thanks man, you really inspire me. awesome stuff you got.
Yea i'm starting to use guildlines. hated them, but they useful, and my girlfriends face isn't as off as it seems, just that damn scanner, but a little i guess. Man old stuff really disinspires me for some reason, and i start drawing really crap...not good.
I draw nearly everyday... i think i give up to easy... oops.

I won't be updating for a few days, cause i've had alot of trouble with windows, damnit, gunna get linux soon hopefully tho its harder to use, i'll try anything to get away from windows.
Does anyone use linux btw?
Thanks all :yayca:

[corky13]

*AStrangeFleshySoundOriginatesFromBehindYourCarpet *
*ATallMetallicCubusIsLookingATYou..orAtlEastItSeem sToLook..SuddenlyAMessageWindowOpensAtYourComp*

"The most recent stuff is nice...just start now with anatomy studies ^^. Cant say something like this to your old stuff..but hey we all started like this dont we ;)
Keep on Drawing"

*AsYouTurnedAwayFromTheMessageYouRecogniceThatTheI ronCubusa.k.a.TheWeirdotronHasDisappeared*

[hurricane]

update it !!


*searches the room for Black_neon_bullet with angry eyes!*

;) j/k

cheers

[Badger]

Nice stuff man
confident lines look good, and u have a good grasp of space for your creatures.
Get you F**king scanner installed before I drive up there and.... install it myself!! or I could send my army of shrews... anyway..
Oh and some REALLY confident tonal work would be good.
Got some potential here, don’t squander, go and draw!
Talk to you later. :yayca:
-Badger-

[Crane]

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[IanE]

Cool crab mech! Artist's block sucks... I hear a good remedy is to just draw scribbles all over a piece of paper and draw what you can see in them.

Looking forward to more!

Ian

[Crane]

PICS TAKEN DOWN. :yayca:

[IanE]

Whoa! Awesome update!

Really like the guy in the middle on the first page. You could probably do some awesome stuff if you focused on him...

And I also really liked the last page...could be a really sweet environment with some more work!

Good job killing the block! Keep goin'!

[MisterJC]

hello.

well, that last one is pretty cool. but its kinda hard to tell whats what. Everything has a similar value so it's not easy to decipher whats going on.

[hurricane]

nice update !


*looks at the stuff*

great !

keep on drawing !! i command thee !! *puts on MCdonald crown*

..


cheers

[Crane]

new pics 2nd page

[HEROIC]

Soul:Child- hey man,, wow,, your drawings look great.
The last update on Jan 19th is the best, and todays works, and your gf's works are great too.

Great stuff, keep it up,

Post more, :P

AMir,

[IllustriousHarry]

If that cow in you latest drawings is the same one you just dumped on my hand, Ouch it looks heavy, its cool caus it looks cool. As does the crazy creature above, like the head of some wookie like race, but a bit more skunk/badger style.
Never stop with all the crazy exaggerated stuff like the "evil turd". Makes a sketchbook more interesting than loads of life drawings.

Got any ideas for our TD self portrait theme?

[Badger]

More you southern pampered arse! before you are thrashed in the thunderdome!
ON a more serious note latest beast are cool, don't loose your motivation! more drawings chop chop!!
-Badger-

[Kevin]

those are nice i like your characters

[Sycocat]

^^ hehe mew!! TONY-SAMA!! *glomp* okies ^^ see now you can't say that I haven't posted!! MWAHAHA hehe
But yes back on track (^^' if I everwas.)
I love your art! hehe I like the last one was it (meh? T.T bad memory!), of the cow and ape and... ^^' other creatures! You do really well Tony-sama! keep up the awesomely good work!! hehe ;P mleh!

[JadeDragon]

Hi Soul: Child!

Excellent imagination there, man! I love all the different dragons and monsters. Interesting photoshop experimenting there too. Thats a great thing to do, keep playing with different approaches and find the things that give you results you like (I need to take my own advice...more PS work).

It's obvious you dont mind hard work, I can tell you are putting it all into your drawings. Keep at it and do more finished pieces. Youre coming along great!

Seeya round~~~JadeDragon

[NightVision]

hey, you got some cool stuff in here ! Neat shading technique (hatching/crosshatching) !

update ?

[Jonny]

Hey you really do have a great imagination and I think that is the most important thing when it comes to being an artist. After a few hundred life studies and applying it to your work, you'll be a pro.

[maxetormer]

YO! you got some cool ideas going on here
post sum update would ya :D ill be around :D

[Crane]

Ok, the long awaited update by many people!

Heroic: Hey thanks man, trying hard to improve here. and ya, shes actually real good at that kinda stuff. Thanks

Harry: No, the cow i dropped on ya hand was alot bigger. think it mighta given you brain damage too.
Ya evil turd is mr hankys evil brother, and i hate real life shit so i never post it. woo way to boring. Kinda stuck on the TD thing, Molly gave me a good idea tho, *cyber brat* lol. tho i'm no brat, i just have issues. but it sounds kool.

Josh: I'd take you down anyday! i choose Harry cause his more of a challenge then you wil ever be!
Thanks DUDE hehe. i try not too, thank my girlfriend for keeping my ass drawing lol.

Kevin: Thanks man.

Tasha:......tut. stop sucking up to me, and go post more!! use the little *post reply* button alot ok. (thank you btw)

Jade dragon: Hey man. thanks, nearly as good as you now hu. you know its true. Need alot of practice to get anywhere near the level of talent here. woo. but i'm gunna do it! .... as if you need to or actualyl can get any better...... and hard work. woo, only a few things i'll actually work hard on, one is def drawing for sure.
Thanks again.

Nightvision: Hey, cheers, its the only one i'm good at..
Update is here!

Jonny: So its been said, one of the few things i agree on with people is my imagination. and ya, important, especially for a concept artist.
you make it sound so easy, better break out the life studies hu.

Maxetormer: YO man! hows it hanging. shriveled and to the left? awesome.
Thanks, I still think your avatar kicks all my pics asses.
|Updating now!

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[maxetormer]

As I told ya before dam if like you ideas!!!,
but I really would like see you doing at least one
page of stuides of anatomy a day.
If you level up your tecnique, with you ideas,
you will be on fire, just keep at IT!! :D

[klinesmoker]

Grunk Chaw buddick. Drugg groff chum, pedin, you know what I mean?
I just felt like saying that. You're art has really come a long way since its inception. your line work has become increasingly more confident, which is always good. I'd like to see you work more pieces to completion, especially with more detail. You have fine rendering, don't waste it! If you do, well, my homies will come find you and take you out! AHAHA! >:D
Impressive work, though, really. Please, keep at it!

[Crane]

Maxetormer: lol. man gotta drag me down with the anatomy studies.. lol or up rather, well try, i'm not promising anything! yet ... Thanks dude

Klinesmoker: Yuff giddi, nork yupii?, sure i get you. ya i gotta agree with you on the lines thing, my friends started drawing, i wanna teach him all i know, somehow lol. i'm not very good at explaining things ya see.
In for a treat, One piece completed! my UK TD piece! kinda rushed but i'm quite proud of it.

PS All the best to you and ya family man.

My TD piece.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/My_113_Oddity/Sukudo%20yaju/071f25fe.jpg

Crits welcome! :^^;:

[IllustriousHarry]

Sweet!,

Heh that craps all over mine. Cool armour/weapon design, and nice shadows. It'd be cool to some really rushed quick background, like sihlouttes of a city or something (destroyed perhaps?) , just enough to tease the imagination.

Cheers for challenge, i'm sure we'll meet in battle again.
(play rocky comeback music here)

[peterhurman]

when i saw in the title u had posted your thunderdome pic i tried to resist, well for about ten seconds.

its looking good, the viewpoint from low down makes it look imposing.

[Crane]

Woo long time no update.
still no update either, i'm just gunna reply to comments but its really a hidden bump, not that its gunna do any good.

Harry: hey thanks, its all wrong, tho it did me proud being one of the few south scums to win hehe. Molly and DC said the lighting was perfect so i'm happy about that. still need to sort out the anatomy issues, but like i said, it was rushed. i might take yta up on makign a back ground, maybe you could do one since ya td was pretty awesome despite the fact it was all enviroment and no character lol. Be ready to have ya ass kicked again :ninja++: *ninja fighting sounds woop woop*

Owen: Really that tempting? gnarly! I never intended on that veiwpoint, but now ya say that it does kinda look it. ta me geezer!

[Skulldog]

(Not sure if this has been said before here, didn't get to read all the comments) What seems to jump at me, is you look to be commiting to the first line you make, leading to very heavy linework. This is something I use to struggle with too, what really helped me out of that rut was working with blue pencil first to lay out ideas, then moving to final heavier lines afterwards.

You have some nice studies and are getting there in building forms, just loosen up a bit with the pencil. Keep it up.

[Odds]

hey man! welcome to the sketchgroup #2 :)
start postin'

[S.C. Watson]

Hey Soul Child,

Welcome to SBSG#2.

Looking forward to seeing some new stuff. Your work you've got posted thus far is pretty good for a comic style. I definately like your pencils.

Cheers,
~Shane

[Odds]

lol... maybe you should join the Lite group. :p

[HugeHarHar]

Hey dude, glad you temporarily joined our group. I'm sorry I've been kind of absent, other wise you'd have plenty of my obnoxious comments and crits ;)

Anyways, I noticed you put a lot of work into the details of pictures, which shows you have the eye for it, but right now I think it's pulling your attention away from the rest of you work.

I say, the next sketch or doodle you do, simply work on the contours, no inner details. Try and figure out which shapes are appealing to the eye, and what lines makes people look away.

I keep looking at the megalith study, which shows you definitly have great potential, but like I said, for the most part you seem worried about the details.

Another tip, when working on compositions, find some master paintings, and simply trace where your eyes move, where it circles around. You'll notice a lot of artists you triangles and circles in their works. While this doesn't apply to sketches, there are a few sort of finished peices you have on here.

Anyways, I look forward to following your work, even when you get your own group.

Lata'

[Crane]

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[S.C. Watson]

hey doood. Good start on the anatomy studies. The main thing that jumped out at me is proportion. Gotta watch that.

Also, just a suggestion, you might want to post a tad smaller. I've got a fairly high screen resolution, but I was scrolling to the right.

Looking forward to seeing more.

Cheers,
~Shane

[maxetormer]

Whats up :^^:

hey guys, thanks for the welcome. got
some anatomy studies up, 1st ever so crit me heavy people.

Ok you did asked for full hard critics to here they come,
dont get me all wrong, I still like your work and
I belive you have in you all to become a great artist.

First than anyting take my advise with a
pinch of salt, Im just learing like you :^^:

Its not bad for a first try, I think that right now
you are coping shapes but not quite understaing what
happens below the skin, let go of the pretty rendering and
use only lines and shapes to convey a sence of volumen,
the skull shapes on the first post is way off, the head in the lower
right fells detached from the body, the calvicle bones are in the
wrong place, the head in the middle of the page looking upwards
has lots of problems on the neck area, the central mass of the neck
should be like an inverted triagle, not a straight bumpy line.

The skulls on the second page are very flat, and the cervical column
of the neck looks too wonky, try placing your anatomical parts
on prespective, imagine the skull as a sphere and the mouth feature
as another sphere protuding out just below the first sphere,
the arms and legs on the second and third pages are the best
in terms of dept, even tho they still have lots of construccion
errors here and there.

Studing Is more about understanding and involving the brain
in the drawing process, IMO it should be as much brains as
drawing, so that when you have done lost of them it becomes
intuitive and then leave the brain part working for you on the back
of your head, studing can be pretty hard, and some time very VERY
frustraing but is the only way to get better, so there ya go,
keep on doing this but think of the reasons of why this or that
shape looks the way it looks before placing any line.

Well that is all for now, I expect to see more studies
from you in the near future, keep it UP, and have fun,
bw keep on doing the imagination stuff aside the antomy or
you will get saturated, belive me, I did that for some time
and it can be frustraiting, doing imagination things
can be a good release for a tired mind after a
study session :D

P. S. you prolly have heard of Kchens studies,
and of mentlers studies too, I sugesst using them as
base to understand how the main shapes of the body work:

Kchen:
http://www.angelfire.com/art3/kchendemos/

mentler:
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=25653&page=10&pp=60

and overral anatomy refs and loomis:
http://www.fineart.sk/

[HugeHarHar]

Nice update man, the necks came out quite nice. The head on the first page, bottom right, the dude needs more head in the back. He's missing like a third of his head.

The skulls need some work in the mouth area, and last, justwork on the fingers and toes.

Like I said, nice update.

[Odds]

ah, way cool man.. i don't really have any crits but to put the whole part on the page. like, when you do a neck, try to include the head also. just keep studying that anatomy... it will come with time. :)
keep it up

[Odds]

You should join the Lite group.. heh

[darkchild]

Hey, got a lot of cool sketches here. Great work on the the dragon head. Keep posting. I would like to see more from your creative mind. Later

[~Faust~]

Man, those anatomystudies are sweet! :) Your imagination is awesome and when your craft gets better, your drawings will blow us all away!

[Rebecca]

Herro :) ,just returning the nice replies :D

Just to say that I LOVE those anatomy studies af the throat, neck and ears etc. those just ROCK. The others are amazing also. I cannot crit, cause I dont know enough about anatomy. paah !! :er:

well done, keep up da good work :bashful:

[lwjacob]

even this young, u re so much better than me. with this amount of drawing u posted here, I believe that u draw much more than I do. But it's ok, in the next year I'll have more time for these stuff. For now, I'm just enjoying your art. Try to learn how to use sketch. They will help u a lot.

[Crane]

OK a little update for you millions of fans out there.

some anatomy, some misc. enjoy all! :bashful:

Thanks everyone for the crits and comments.
sorry to SBSG#2 :bashful:

crits wanted!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/My_113_Oddity/arms1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/My_113_Oddity/arms2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/My_113_Oddity/arms3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/My_113_Oddity/coffee.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/My_113_Oddity/evilsloth.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/My_113_Oddity/fishmish.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/My_113_Oddity/Gunandleg.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/My_113_Oddity/Romandemon.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/My_113_Oddity/sloth.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/My_113_Oddity/winged.jpg
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Teh shit!

[Rebecca]

wow!! :$ not fair, not fair, not fair !!

just one thing..the wrists seem a bit too fat in some of the studies, or the hand is too small, dunno which.

..and stop calleing a NOOB!! :upset: I'll have your eyes for that :D , thankyou

[Crane]

hey there noob, thanks for the crit.. i guess its worth something... just..
now.. i wish more PEOPLE WOULD CRIT ME DAMNIT!!!!

[masterpug]

There is some nice work in here. I personally think your ink works are the best, they just seem to have the most energy in them. The colored pieces seem a bit off, I think it is the media you are using to put them together. You are getting much better at anatomy (better than I am really) but keep pushing it. Even the scrawny guys with the thin arms will have muscles in there somewhere. Impressive sketchbook. Wish people would actually come to mine :p ; thanks for dropping by though. Keep up the work!

[Pixeldragoon]

Some of your arms are reeallly short. That's bad because now your mind has that registered. Redo them all, and try to get them as accurate as possible. The muscles look good and seperate enough to study, uinlike mine, but you need to scale it propoerly otherwise you'll have short arms which totally screw things up. Good job so far! Keep going!

[Crane]

masterpug: Hey thanks for dropping by. I don't think any of my pics have energy, i need to work on that. make characters interact and move and shit.
i'll get started on that soon. thanks again.

PD:hey, i see wat ya mean, i noticed that when i finished them, so i don't actually draw them short, i think i was overly tired when i done these, thanks for the tip tho. stop by next update! :yayca:

[hurricane]

great studies!

nice imaginary ones too, your style reminds me alittle of graffiti...

cheers man and keep on fighting ! :yayca:

[flatliner]

Hey Black:Neon, you got some good stuff going on. Most of your work is quite stylized, which makes it kind of hard to crit. For the anatomy studies, what I would say is watch the proportions. Some of the arms for example seem kind of short for their width, making them seem kind of fat. Just something to look out for :).

Good stuff!

[Crane]

hurri: graffti... wasn't wat i was really going for..lol
but thanks, i'm gunna work on mechs soon.
ta ra!

flatliner: I'll try not to so much stylized stuff so you can crit me.
again with the arms, ya i noticed lol just pretend there dwarfen or sooomething. thanks for the crits there pal!

[Badger]

Well there black_neon_something.
Nice stuff, I'd like too see some more focused works from you.
I like the style you are using, but sometimes you over detail, making your drawings hard too read, try and create a focal point.
A lot of nice texture and a good imagination.
Keep on updating.
-B-

[GunTrouver]

Nice stuff and the rendering is not bad, but your figures and anatomy could need a bit more work. You made a good anatomy start with these poors and muscle drawings:)
CU!

[Crane]

josh, i know your jealous but no ned to lash out hu... we can all be friends here... friends that kiss my shoes...
thanks man, i'll try not to over detail them since it hurts your eyes..

GunT: hey there, thanks, i'm happy with these anatomy studies as they my 1st, thanks for dropping by
:yayca: :yayca: :android:

[Lovelock]

I watched AND read all posts here. I can see THE PROGRESS. But U really are all 'bout crits, aint U..? ;)
Kay then.
9th & 10th are my favourit. Like the style. I think maybe You could try with theese, just make some people in this style, some chars made like them. I would really like to see that..! Seen Gustav Klimt's art..? Know what I mean..? Just use Your new anatomic skillz & post some chars in the "Unuist God of Death" style.

May be veeery interstin'... :meow:

[Crane]

yes!! two pages! in your faces one page people!

ahem, yeah, hi. Yep i'm ALL about teh CRITS man!
you actually read all the comments? wow, someones bored.. lol but thanks, progress really coming along? i'm not one for noticing my own progress on anything so i'll take ya word for it.
can't say i've heard of the guy, or do i actualyl like his stuff, not really my kinda shit lol. but your suggestion be an interesting one, i've just gotta think how i can put both together.. any tips?
thanks for dropping by!

[S.C. Watson]

K, three things:

Work on your anatomy more >:D
How the hell did you change your user name from "Soul Child" to "Black:neon:Chaos"? -- or was that an act of Admin?
Post more :$


Cheerio,
~Oreg.

[Crane]

k

Will do
It was on a special timer made by the bloodmages of Gome mountain
gunna draw now! should be up soon

[Firelode]

I like your ideas and you clearly have an active and fertile imagination, I think some of your best pieces in the thread so far are the looser more heavily shaded pictures, they show depth of character and have a three dimensional presence on the page which is no bad thing.

As for CC anatomy has already been flagged but I would venture a tentative look at line flow, you tend to have a curiously angular style which is cool but some characters would benefit from a slightly softer flow to their form making them appear more organic and in turn less constructed.

It's definitely cool work I like it a lot, gonna go see if I can do something just as creative, or shall I go eat the bannana cake? Hmmm....

[masterpug]

Less talk-ie more draw-ie! I don't care if you are half starved, suffering from an overdose, locked in a closet, beaten with a bag of oranges, and then sent head first down a water slide into a pool of Jell-O; I NEED MY FIX! DRAW!!!! >:|

[Danomight]

I really like the fact that you are trying out so many different approaches and styles with your work.

Great imagination!

Keep working hard, you'll see improvement.

[BlackGuy]

hey what's up, apparently I'm now in SSG2, so just thought I'd post this introduction in all of the member's sketchbooks.

It's really late right now, but I'll definitely try to go through your sketchbook thoroughly and offer some crits tomorrow morning. My main crit now is to fuckin UPDATE.

[masterpug]

Okay, no posts in WAY too long. I demand you draw! Actually, I am really just asking. PLEASE! It is good for the soul and some people even are good enough at it that they make money. But you will never get that far if you DON'T DRAW! So, for the sake of the cheese, DRAW! Now that I am done embarrasing myself, adeu.

[ganaa]

...there are to many nice stuff here. :) i like your style and also all of your works. especially all your characters are looks like very interesting...GOODLUCK!... :yayca:

[dCepT]

Thanks for dropping in on me! Post some PK pictures you too!

been a long time since you updated.... gonna do something about it? ;)

d-C

[blanquish]

ditto dCept, i aint seeing updates
draw your heart out

[White Rose]

>< a good deed....

ive seen you lurking around here. why are you not drawing.. I shall not do a good deed..for you till you draw something.
Please

[Crane]

Firelode: Thanks man, ALways good to hear that I have a good and creative imagination. Thanks for the crits, i see wat ya mean about the angular style. I'll try fixing that.

DanomightYea I think its important to try out loads of style, I keep getting torn between them lol thanks man

BlackguyYeah, no longer in a sketchbook support group :( I took your crit and updated lol!

masterpug: Haha sorry, really i am, been to lazy to update, and was without internet for a while. but i'm back! heres your fix!

ganaaThanks lol. i have no idea wat my style actually is. but thanks anyway!

dCepTIts been raining alot, so no pics yet :( need a nice day..sheesh. and heres the update! like i said.

blanquish'draw your heart out' just gave me a really awesome image.. hehe thanks i'll go write that down.

White RoseYou can do that good deed now! hehe, i know, i'm a loser lurking in my own sketchbook.

A few enviro thumbnails, i really need to get some experiance with them. all crits welcome!

[dCepT]

Some of those envirosketches are sweet! The still life is looking solid as well..
Like oregano said before here... work a bit on your anatomy, and you'll leap ahead even more... where are my PK-studies?? :D

d-C

[Crane]

D-Cept: meh, could be better..and they will! just looked at pencilators SB, damn thats inspiring, and only 19 too, i need to be that good before i'm 19..

I'll get round to your studies.. sheeesh dude! lol thanks

[stoph]

great stuff man. i love the one of the armchair. good values there. my advice? maybe slow down and be a little more calculating with your hatching. remember, the flow of a line will denote form, so work out what form the image needs before going gun-ho and giving it what-for, you get me? hah. you should post the results of your field-day (get it..? field-day... as in you painted a field? yes? maybe? no? ok! :D)

[Crane]

Stoph you smeg! lol
Thanks for the crit, i do like the result on the chairs, suprisingly, and btw, heres the dissapointing part, the result of my 'field day' you cheesy bastard, is already up there lol. :bashful:

[demented]

Sup MC

really nice looking stuff in here - like the general direction in which you drawing is going, great feeling for form in some of of these! Try to be a bit more aggressive with the markers, and don't afraid to go darker!

ciao!

- d.

[Crane]

Demented am I the only one who doesn't 'feel' these pics?
thanks man, i'll do some darker marker sketches.

Update now, lots of Hyung tae kim studies, characters copyrighted by Hyung tae kim. props to him, great artist.
and a few robots and enviros.

[Dile_]

Hey bud!

Wow lots of work :) but , yeah try to get rid of the anime/american comic style thingy, i dont like big eyes haha, but yeah thats a personal thing of my own, so dont give adamn bout me if you still wanna develope a style based on a great anime artist! Page 5 and the very last one is awsome! keep those up, and do some "proper" face studies :) Keep it up!


~Dile

[Crane]

Dilesigh... you just can't be happy for me hu... wat a bitch.. lol
i can't help it, i have to say, shamefully, i love anime! but i love concept design, no harm in trying out different styles.. might come out as an awesome superstyle... maybe..

[Ashrumm]

Hey, welcome to our sketchgroup Madcat!! My opinion would be that your style is fine but try not to get caught up in a style at this moment in time just learn as much as you can your style whether its an anime type style will eventually shine through your hard work and determination. Good start here i would work on strucutre but you have alot of good stuff here. And you could not have been more correct me getting more hardcore rendering in my sketchbook. I'm glad to have you apart of your sketchbook.:yayca:

[Crane]

ashrumm thanks for the welcome.
yeah your right about the style. should just study my ass off instead and let it come to me.
glad i was right about something :wink: thanks

[Derram]

Hey, welcome to the SSG man! Everyones better than me T.T... oh well, lots to learn. Lots of great stuff here, shows alot of originality and thats something I currently lack, so I love to see it. That last update reminded me how long its been since I drew some anime... kinds a miss it, I does..

[dCepT]

Gonna agree with people on the "don't get caught up in style now"-thing.. Just keep drawing and studying and your own style will develop through that... I'm not saying you should stop using ref, though :) Just don't gor for "anime" or "naturalistic" or whatever.. I'm probably not making much sense now... bit tired :)

Keep 'em coming!

d-C

[Darktwin]

Welcome to the ssg Madcat, glad to have you aboard, I'm really seeing some strides keep up the anatomy studies, and also draw from artist that you like, I would agree with the others who are saying don't get caught up with a specific style. But I would say if thats what you love, then try to push it into something of your own, really think what you like about anime. There have been a lot of solid feedback here in your sb. Hope your learning man, Can't wait for your next update. Welcome sir.

[Crane]

Derram You gotta grow into it, noone got good by complaining and feeling sorry for themselves man. just draw draw draw draw, if you still haven't improved by the time your 18 then i'll let you complain lol.
as for the anime, i had a massive obsession with hyung tae kims stuff, I love anime and i don't care who knows!RAWR

dCepT I'll try not to worry to much about it. thanks for the tip.
still ahven't got the pk pics.. tutut, i keep forgetting to do it.. i'm wanting to learn to back flip. i watch loads of tutorials, but i haven't got a spotter, nor can i get one, or go to a gyum since theres non of them either, is it possible to learn on your own?.

Darktwin haha, style is being left alone guys lol. thanks for the welcome. heres the update! some hogarth studies for ya.


Sigh, its a sad thing when your own Nan tells you 'the sooner you get all this art stuff outta your head the better' and 'all this drawings doing you no good'
well instead of getting pissed about it anymore i just ask her not to make me shout at her lol. actually i find when someone does that, i wanna work harder and prove them wrong. DON'T LET ANYONE STAND IN YOUR WAY, NOT EVEN YOUR FRAIL OLD GRANDMA!

now for pics.

[Ahim]

you've got nice confident lines, draw more. Ill quote some artist now:

DON'T LET ANYONE STAND IN YOUR WAY, NOT EVEN YOUR FRAIL OLD GRANDMA!

remember that

[Dile_]

Hey madcat, awsome updates, nice to see your doing studies :)!!
'that foot is probably your best drawing in the update, mroe of those please, very good done, keep it up dude :)




Offtopic.
As for backflip, I learned on myself...although I used trampoline at start :P
But I think the trampoline was only waste of time..
Cool to see some people are into Parkour as myself :P

[Crane]

miguelslo thanks man, i've always wondered about my lines.. well i know now!

dile after seeing so many people nearly die on trabapalines i think i'll risk with non lol.
studies are important, and i took a liking to the arm with FAT on it.
and btw, backflips are tricking, not PK hehe

[demented]

Hey man, thanx so much for the kind words in my book mate.

Hogarth - looks very interesting. Don;t have one of his books yet but I'm planning on buying the 2-book package thing from amazon which coincidentally costs the same as each individually.

The studies are great, very believable and a great sense of form. May want to work on your line some - Laim.c suggested a method to me where you put your pencil/pen down and start drawing, but you don't pick it up. Not picking it up means you tend to think more about it - try it out maybe.

Overall really like what I see, so I'm returning the favour.
ciao dude!

- d.

[Crane]

Demented thanks for dropping by, i tried out the tip liam.c gave you, thanks for passing it on, its actually alot of fun to do lol. really makes ya think about lines. i'd recommand this exercise to everyone! I like calling them 1 line pictures

btw which books are they?, i've got Dynamic figure drawing and Dynamic anatomy very very good books.

More studies.

[demented]

Wonderful man, looking great. Glad you found the exercise interesting and helpful, and Ill have to second that recommendation.

The books in the double package are the same you have - very reassuring to get more positive comments on them, looking forward to them. Of course, living in the world's armpit means I'll have to wait some time...

These are looking great, line looks lovely - great improvement. Really got me in the mood to rehash on some anatomy mate!

ciao!

- d.

[dCepT]

Good studies! Check out Loomis and Bridgman for studying from as well... Just Hogarth has a tendency to become very bubbley :)

About your question... yeah... learning to backflip on your own is very possible... I haven't had anyone to spot me for learning any of my flips... just go about it carefully! Find someone that can tell you how... live... and maybe show you... If you see a traceur or bboy or whatever on the street, try and talk to that person and see if they want to let you know a couple of tips... Since I've learnt on my own, I'm not too sure about the mechanics of it... I just kinda jump and do the summersault... ya know :D

d-C

[ArtZealot]

yeah, i'm diggin the anatomy studies, keep em up

[mentler]

Good anatomy studies

[Crane]

demented Well the books will def be worth the wait, i was lucky enough to find both of them in a local, or was local bookstore, along with a few other anatomy books. haha, glad i got you wanted to rehash in anatomy!

Dcept Bubbley...nuts to you! haha, i find hogarth's stuff alot more fun, and easier to draw than loomis's, never seen bridgemans though, better check him out.

thanks for the info, at least now i know i can do it without a spotter, also i'm still trying to do reverse vaults haha.. such a pussy..

ArtZealot Thanks man! :^^:

mentler Means alot coming from the bone doctor himself haha. thanks :^^:

[Niva.]

Hi MadCat, was browsing through here and I wanted to say that I really like your style. You're especially good at drawing the anime type faces, keep them coming.

[newman]

you've got some nice stuff in here, but my crit is actually about your sketchbook thumbnail: i saw it and thought "shit, this guy looks awesome! I'll have a look at that!" and then when i came in it was like "oh... okay."
by having that as your thumbnail you are just setting yourself up for people to be dissapointed when they actually see your work- which is of a good standard, but if you are expecting something else...

::EDIT::
i just read my post and it comes across as really pissy! i didn't mean it like that, just wanted to give you a heads up.:bashful:

[Sickbrush]

heh.. hey MadCat, you take those anatomy sketches on seriously or else i swear to God i'm gonna...

[Crane]

n1va Hey, thanks for dropping by, and also bare in mind those pics are studies...but still, doing studies aern't always easy

newman my plan worked then, always was good at deception. I think i may but my avatar on instead, can't be confused for art then lol, thanks for the heads up and comment anyway .:wink:

_^SlayeR^_ Your gunna wat hu? trail off again? haha thanks for dropping by

YAWN! just got up, should be an update laters, if anyones remotely interested.

[Crane]

Some more studies, alot harder to do than i thought they'd be haha.
enjoy and crit me.

[Ahim]

nice legs :overhere:

when we gonna see some whole bodies :painting:

[Darktwin]

Nice attack on the anatomy studies madcat, keep working on your anatomy skills along with stuff from your imagination, it will only help the two worlds intigrate with one another. Wonderful strong lines my friend, keep it coming. Also try to mix up the anatomy studies from other artist like mentler, he has some really awesome antomy drawings to learn from, Bridgeman is another good one. Keep it up.

[Nyx702]

There is something very...appealing about your anime. I wish that it would mirror your anatomy studies though. Try applying some of the stuff you learned form the studies in your anime. I agree with Darktwin, to study Mentler. He shows little secrets that are wonderful and make drawings more realistic.

[stoph]

mm.. nice stems! ;)

maybe you could develop a few of these studies a little more? like render em eh! some hatching, followed by some washes of some sort, mayhaps..? do iiit :D

[Bendragon]

Good drawings. I like the hatchingwork on the enviroments, but not too sure about them when used on the figures though. Keep at the fundamentals, theyre looking good. I think some of your lines can be cleaner too (but im not one to say that:p).

[spiffiness]

It's so good that you keep working on your anatomy. I find Hogarth is quite stylized, so it's hard for me to want to draw his stuff, even though I have both his books. But I guess others have already told you to try other people, so I won't repeat that :wink:. I really like your crosshatched work, particularly the landscapes, they've got a nice quality to them. Just keep drawing!

[Crane]

miguelslo thanks, i take good care of them :wink: and soon enough i should think man.

Darktwin i will, i'm actually having probs with imagination at the mo.. damnit.

Nyx702 thanks, well its hyung tae kims anime actually haha. i'll keep working on my anatomy, see if i can mirror it and watnot.

'stoph. haha, I had a crit saying i should forget rendering and sticks to lines so i know wats going on underneath, but i guess i could give it a try, for you:^^:

Bendragon still experimenting with shading techniques and stuff, as for the messy lines, its because i'm trying out a '1 line picture' technique, quite fun really. thanks man.

spiffiness I guess he does make things kinda.. big haha, but its easy to see and understand where everything goes, but nothing wrong with mixing the masters hu. Glad your liking my crosshatching, thanks alot.

ATTENTION
I'm feeling kinda pissed and down at the moment because i've just started working on a tattoo my brother may get on his leg if its good enough, so I've been drawing away and yet again this nasty little cartoonish style keeps popping out and making my work look babyish, and on top of that, my imagination seems to have pissed off on holiday. What i wanna know is this because I haven't studied enough, and the right things that things are going like this? This style I have that keeps coming round is kinda stylized and sometimes cartoonish and works its way into things i don't want it too.
How long does it take to pound that understanding of watever your studying ie anatomy, machines etc, into your head? I can see progress in my works, but alot of the time when i'm not studying, i seem to forget everything and fall victim to the style.. how do i solve this and get rid of this damn style?

has anyone else had this problem? help would be great guys, I wanna get this over with!

[darkchild]

Hey, great work here from page one! Great studies as well. As to your question above: I've always had an anime style (specifically my faces) before joining this community. I started to do more life ref studies and such. I'm thinking the reason is that you've been working with this style for so long that you're very comfortable with it. When you're doing your studies you are focused on that aspect. But when it comes to creating something that is your own you fall back onto something thats familiar. I do the same thing. My no referenced works are completely different from my studies.

[Crane]

Hey, thanks man, though the cartoonish style i'm refering to isn't anime, in fact i'd love to be able to have that as my style, well drawn anime or manga compared to wat it actually is. though i guess wat your saying also connects too to any style that i may be refering too.

[sabe2003]

I think this is real interesting.,...
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12093&stc=1&d=1155765120

Keep up the studies!

[Sickbrush]

i think i've seen too little of ur work to actually be able to comment upon ur problem.. but anyway..pushing yourself into some realistic renders might save u :)

[Ostrander]

Hi Madcat, you have some nice things going on here and there. You should try and get the basic fundamentals down of figure drawing and anatomy, which I see you are doing with the Hogarth studies, before going the anime route. I like anime and I'm not saying it's a bad thing and there's alot of brilliant work out there done in that anime/manga style. But I just think that you should be you when you draw before trying to be something else. Your work will show more honesty.

[P E N Ricklund]

Hey mad one. Love the little creations you are doing, keep at it, it must be forever fun you know ;)
Try to keep away from the cartoony, or else you'll just get stuck in it, draw from life instead, make you own shortcuts, cuz that's just what catroons are.
Good to see that you're doing anatomy studies, it'll pay of, I promise. Every time you draw something, a bit of it will get stuck in your head. And then you'll remember stuff from your sub-conciousness.
A think that'll help you when doing studies is to know proportions, then the arms will get the right lenght and the overall size will look good.
Another thing, I read that you have problem with your imagination. A great tip is to doodle, put the papers with the doodle away, then look at it from time to time. then make something out of it, draw a character or an environment from it. And with doodle I mean abstract-shapes. Just keep at it. And good luck.

Hugs!

[TheGnoll]

hey.The anatomy is getting pretty good, but don't worry about making it look clean.Anatomy studies are supposed to to show us and yourself how much you know about how the human body works, so show how you build the human figure, not how clean your lines are.Its very important to get the proportions and the shapes right first.About those manga head studies, i respect that artist, but i actually think they are useless.The head studies you should really concentrate on are the ones that focus on basic contrusction, planes and the sort.
But overall, you're doing good.Make sure you keep this updates tho, his still is a small SB.Keep it updated, whatever your grandma says ;)

ciao

[Crane]

sabe2003 hey thanks alot man :)

_^SlayeR^_ I'll post up some of the style tomorrow, I think you may be onto something with the renders haha i'll get it a try.

Ostrander hey man, yea I reliese its important now to understand wats wat, I love anime but i also love serious style, like Wes or marko, if i could draw one thing like them it would be noses haha, though i do love manga I yearn to be able to render like the masters.

Pencilator Hey Mr hugs! Thanks for all the help and stuff, i'll bare it all in mind, and if it doesn't work, i'm sueing you! haha, I picked up somewhere drawing anatomy from your mind to see how much you remember is a good way to get better too. thanks!

TheGnoll Thanks for dropping by. I totally know wat your getting at with the anime heads, i think it was more of a tribute of sorts or something haha. I'll keep it as updated as possible man!

Sorry no pictures today or for a while since i've been kinda busy and haven't had much time for drawing, but will update tomoz, promise guys!

BTW can anyone recommand any good bone and muscle sites? I've been studying hogarths stuff, and i've been meaning to study mentler too, but i find his stuff very chaotic as awesome as it is, is there something wrong with me? Also can we stick to sites for the mo since i'm love on funds sadly. thanks alot peoples!

[loomer]

Good progress here - keep working on the anatomy - it's paying off.
I recommend Bridgman a bit more, just because he focuses more on how everything works together, instead of breaking it down into seperate pieces. Just an opinion :)
Keep it up!

[Crane]

Thanks for the recommandation, I'll be sure to try find some of his stuff, if it helps i'm happy to use it!

Update now: Gunna post two pages of the stupid cartoon style I was on about, any help would be great.

A few other pics of some studies and more fun simple anime creature things i love doing and would rather have as my style instead of the shitty cartoons.

[guitarjames]

EDIT:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! looking good BUT REALLY STAY AWAY FROM DOING THE STYLE OF THAT SKULL.. STOP IT FOOL (there we go):)
on the third page watch out for when the arm joins with the torso beacause it looks a litlle thin but overall looking good so keep at it :)
james

[Dile_]

Hey man!

Looking very nice! Keep it up

(yeah im in hurry)

~Dile

[Crane]

guitarjames THATS BETTER! YAY! anyway, thanks for the crit, come again soon! lol

Dile thanks man haha i forgive you.

[Derram]

Dude! I love that style you have going. I guess you could call it "babyish", but remember content counts for that kinda stuff. I don't think you could consider the cute kitty babyish if you were to draw it with, say half of it's skull exsposed... yeah.
Sorry, I've always been a fan of cute things in horrific situations. Used to draw that kinda stuff myself. Best way to get a new style is just to stop drawing it really. Though I have yet to find my style and it seems I can't draw anything unless I'm looking at it...

*edit* Derram You gotta grow into it, noone got good by complaining and feeling sorry for themselves man. just draw draw draw draw, if you still haven't improved by the time your 18 then i'll let you complain lol.
Someone hasn't check out my profile... Trust me, my bitching is more than justified age wise. But thats another thing I'm getting over, no time to worry about that, I gotta draw after all.

[dCepT]

Anatomystudies look great man! Nice clean lines! Keep those up and try to use that knowledge in you stuff from imagination. How's the PK'ing these days?

d-C

[blanquish]

yo madcat, get ready for teh crits from teh internets ppl!
Ok-
The thing i notice, beside the anime style, is the weak rendering.
The best way to improve is observational studies and work from ref.THE BEST WAY!
It builds up your perception of light, darks, contrast and 3d sense.
If you want to drop the cartooony stuff, do ref stuff.
When you hit realism, anime seems so boring, and you wont want to draw cartoons all day long.
KEEP up the anatomy, keep drawing, 2 hours a day, no questions asked.
DRAW, DRAW, DRAW..improve, improve,improve.
Before you notice it, youll be leagues better.

[Crane]

dCepT Hey man, thanks, i keep meaning to do a remberstudy of anatomy, sheesh, and i STILL need to draw from that pic of yours hehe, i'm so lazy. PKs good, i can reverse vault now, oh yeah, i'm 1337 now haha. how about you?

blanquish hey, i'll always have a love for anime (well drawn anime of course) but thanks for picking up on the poor rendering i'll get working on that, though i'm working on lines and where everything goes at the mo, i can render something i don't understand hu haha, thanks man.

some comic things i did this morning, kinda random, off to do some anatomy studies now. enjoy my crap!

[Derram]

HAHA, That first one was awsome man, the second... yeah. I think it needs a transition between panels.. I gots a thought for ya though. On the last panel, second page that open mouth smile, try making the hole for the throat a little smaller, and only a half circle. And, yep thats the style I likes right there, great stuff.

[Crane]

Derram well they are all different stories... if that.. in a rather cramped space so it looks like all one story.. and i see wat you mean about the throat hole, thanks for pointing it out.
i'll make some more comics, just for you! lol. i'm hoping to make better comics with at least some nice rendering going on, bit more serious grown up art too.

anyway, two pics of sleletons, blah blah blah.

[Ashrumm]

yo, yo, yo, Just dropping in on your sketchbook and one thing i must say is that comic is pretty damn good the art style is very consistent and you write pretty well. Definitely keep that going. Now on your skeleton sketches try to maybe work on seperate pieces of the skeleton, like arms, skull, ribcage instead of all together. Good start but the proportions are a little off. The angle on the second one was a tuffy but you pretty much nailed it keep on drawing bro. ;)

[Decker]

Heya, just dropping by. The cute stuff is looking good all though it does feel slightly forced. Maybe because you are still feeling your way around and working on getting more comfortable with it. Also, the facial emotions don't have to be so varied from frame to frame. A good start though.
As for cute but morbid humour (involving videogames in this case), check out VG cats:
http://www.vgcats.com


In regards to real life drawing, keep it up, good work.

[Nyx702]

Hey sorry to hear about you college per-dick-ament. You know, there are two types of people in the world: those that don't need to go to college because they are already good and those that need to go to college to get better...maybe you can be the latter? Look on the bright side...now you have CRAP lodes of time to improve!

About your art:
I somewhat disagree with ashrumm comment. It is good to study indivisual pieces when you don't understand them in a 360 degrees but if you just sudy parts you will not get better in seeing how they relate to one another. Understand? If you want to get better at drawing a bone...draw a bone but if you want to undertand the skeleton...draw the skeleton. Try testing yourself more to improve faster...that's my best advice.

Anyway, take it with a grain of salt.

oh, if you're looking to do art with other people there is always open canvas?

[S.C. Watson]

Good work on the skeletal studies.

Love the comics.

~Oreg.

[Crane]

ashrumm hey thanks for dropping by, glad ya liked my comic haha, kinda random hu, i think i'll draw both full skeleton and single bones, hows that? lol thanks man.

Decker just the guy i wanted to see, yea maybe it is just me easing into the style, if i need any help i'll come to you haha. i was half practicing with facial expressions aswell, but i'll bare that in mind. I already read vgcats, but thanks anyway, good resource too. thanks alot

Nyx702 i never went to college to learn art, just to make friends and have something to do, always been self taught, i even got a e in art because i never went to the right class, because all the kids were assholes. now i'm moving to blackpool, hoping i can maybe get a space somewhere.
i agree with you on the skeleton thing, i'm just gunna study everything to make it easier haha. thanks dude ps, i can never get anywhere with OC

Oregano hey thanks man, glad another person loved them haha.

Attention i'm movingto blackpool so i dunno how long i will be offline, but when i come back on, i should have loads of drawings. cya guys whenever.

[Darktwin]

Cool comics and nice skeleton studies.

[(c)]

nice man i really like the skeletons. mayby try to adapt the ligne weight to the amont of light. so heavier on the shadow side and lighter on the lighter side etc...

[spiffiness]

Nice skeleton studies. Maybe be more conscious and careful of the shading, to really make the bones look like volumes. Sorry to hear about the college business.

[Juhani Jokinen]

I like your stuff! Nice style :) I'll stop by later to give a more proper crit but I'm a bit in a hurry now. So talk to you later!

-Juhani

[dCepT]

Good lookin' out on the studies! Lines are good, but you could do with some more time spent on the shading.. You could just put your pencil down flat and put down the planes... that way it'll go pretty fast while it looks less scribbly... like your shading does a bit now.

Anyways... sorry to hear about college and all!... hope everything is ok in the middle of nowhere, UK :) Give us updates when you get online again!

d-C

[Crane]

Hey thanks for the replies and stuff peoples,
i'm just coming to let ya k know all i have is crappy dial up and no scanner, so i can't update anytime soon, sorry :(
i have made a 500+ page SB though, hopefully i'll fill lots of it and when i can up0date you'll get lots of art. !
thanks again guys and gals

[Ostrander]

Looking forward to seeing some sketches.

[daveneale]

just popped by to check out your comic type thang....like it dude, you have a talent for cool lil characters-my one criticism would be that the hand written text doesn't do the images justice...the curvey letters take away from the cool graphicness....not a big crit, but I think that getting a more regimented typeographical style would make the pages even sweeter!...lookin forward to more :)

[ped454]

I enjoy your hogarth studies immensely. You have very dynamic lines and good imagination. hope to see more

[Crane]

Hey Dave
thanks for dropping in, noones been here since like last year haha, i have no means of updating! hopefully should soonish though, glad you like my comic though, its fairly old, started a new one with better characters. ok the text, something thats been bugging me forever, i continue to hate my writing no matter what, what can i do with it?, is it just a simple as studying different fonts and styles?

ped454 why thank you man!. happy to hear it, i've done alot more, but sadly no way of getting them here... i'll try figure something out..

[daveneale]

Hey man....well I hope you get some way of rocking some more stuff up soon....I did some quick notes just to illustrate my point, hope you don't mind.....

People tell me I got pretty writing....some people say I write like a girl, but I think they generally mean I don't write like a retard:P anyhoo I did a quick bubble in my girly writing just to illustrate one direction you could go in. I don't think the problem is that your using a handwritten style....there are plenty of comics that use this, its that some of the letters are a little wonky (see those wonderfull red lines I drew:P). Another thing is that some of the curves of your y's and at the bottom of the d's dont sit too well. I dont think you need to study too much typography...mabe just try getting the type a little more regimented....look at some comics you like the writting stlye of and do your own take on it.

[Crane]

Oh sweet! thanks dave, you do have very nice writing, i'm green with envy! haha, be really, thanks for that little..'wordover' ? i see what you mean with the curves, they have always bothered me, i think i totally slaughtered my writing because i change it so much, now i have completed mixed handwriting, which includes the stuff there, and something that looks like da vinci's writing (The Da Vinci code got me obsessed with it) i'm gonna take your advice and see if i can make it right haha, don't mind if i study yours a little do you?

Tony

[daveneale]

haha-go for it, not sure im the greatest example of typographical goodness but whatever works for ya:P.

[Halfmonk]

Hey,

Thanks for checking out my Sketchbook, always nice to see other brits kicking around this site :-)
Some really nice stuff in here, good to see you studying from Hogarth! As everyone has probably told you before - practice practice practice. Never sounds like much fun though :-P Don't be afraid of using other people's artwork as reference to draw from too, it can often be a good way of finding out what you like about certain images.

Keep it up dude, post more!

My Sketchbook (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=97820)

[Diphallia]

Those skeletons are kinda much out of proportions, aren't they?
Also, the anatomy around the mouth region looks pretty wrong.

But apart from those two pointers I like them very much :D

[stoph]

baha boobs and spaceships, your comics are hella cool mate :D long time no talk, hows life?

[Crane]

Thought i'd start over new, since i haven't posted for ages. Started working in photoshop7, so any tips would be great!

Starting off with some Thumbnails and a face/color study i'm working on, any crits welcome, got the same pic over in the WIP section.

[Smoke]

Those last few thumbs look awesome, love to see them developed.

[Crane]

I'm currently developing the top left one at them mo, thanks, drop by soon, more pics to come.

[Giorge]

your thumbnails are good , but only to the trained eye of an artist , even for your own sake , you should cut down the straight lines and try to go into details , even if they are thumbnails , like a showing hand , or the waist line , the shape of the head ... as for the digital portrait , try painting gray scale and once you got the hang of it you could move to color ... may the force be with you :D

[Crane]

Well really they ARE for the trained eye of an artists... lol but yeah i can see what you mean, and so i shall work on this! and greyscale.. sounds fun, ok i will try and then update with the grey version! and/or try other pics too.

now onwards with the new stuff, got a few snow board designs, as i'm just scoping out how to use photoshop, and they are fun to make, so here they are:

[daveneale]

those thumbs are kinda like an ink blot test, im seeing all kinds of crazy stuff in there...good to see more stuff from ya man....I'm diggin the board designs, though the backgrounds are competing with the boards a little too much...might be nice to stick them on a more neutral grey or something. Keep on painting dude

[coldrum]

I like your vector stuff. maybe use a more solid brush for your thumbnails... I didnt realize they were thumbnails until I read your comment. They look at little sketchy and hard to read at the mo.

[Ex Nihilo]

The first board designs on both the first and second page are awesome. I would ride a board with either of those graphics; however, I would not ride a board that wide (or that short, depending on how you look at it). I think the designs would be more effective if you stayed true to the proportions of a real snowboard. Also, keep in mind that snowboards have two surfaces that can be designed; it might be nice to see both sides.

[Crane]

Dave: Hey dudeage. haha getting different views on the thumbnails. but of course i'll try different things as they are literally my 1st. I hear ya on the board crit, i shall be looking into this!!

coldrum: Will do my friend, doing alot of experimenting with brushes at the moment as it goes.

Ex Nihilo: Thank you, and thanks for that crit, a very good point, i've only been on a snowboard once so of course i missed out the important bits, save a pic of the actual size, gonna work with what ya said, come soon!

Large dump right now, some monsters and portraits of girls i've nailed in the last week, and some of the boyfriends who came home early... and stuff, enjoy.

[Vyliss]

You have some nice designs in here, need to work on the faces some more they're looking a bit flat esp around the eyes and lips. I know how hard it is to get the eyes right thhough. Keep at it :)

[Crane]

thanks, been avoiding the shading abit. tutut

more to come soon

[dCepT]

Yo! Good start to a new SB! You've definately improved from what I remember! Lots of interesting characters in here! Board designs look nice :)

Some of your shading works kinda contrary to the form it's supposed to describe... I know I know... it's the old "let the strokes follow the shape"-crit, but it's an important one ;) It can flatten shit out, or give the wrong impression of how the shapes curves in space when all the strokes run in the same direction... Hope it helps!

dC

[Crane]

Newest stuff at bottom!

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Behold the 90 sketchbook challenge!
I managed to get a joblot of 90 sketchbooks on ebay and have challenged myself to fill them all up, starting slow, 1 filled a month at the very least.
I'm halfway through the 1st one, so I believe I will finish ahead of time :)
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UPDATE FINALLY! 06/03/2012

Gotten back into drawing finally! More pictures, not many, but its progress!


I've recently become interested in model making and specimen jars so I had a crack at it. This is my first ever attempt and I'm pretty proud of it, looks nice on my shelf.

Any Crit is welcome.
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[Crane]

Editing doesn't bump threads, so bump.

[Crane]

Some more jar creatures. Only worms for the time being since I have no clay tools to model with and my fingers keep breaking the clay off :(

If anyone works with latex and clay I would love to talk texture and etc :)

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[Crane]

A latex mould test, I used flour to stop the latex sticking to itself and it works perfectly. about 7-8 coats of latex on the newplast cast so when I pulled the latex covering off it was strong and retained the shape I wanted.
I then stuffed with cotton to give it some bulk and support.

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[Crane]

More tests, this time using silicone rubber, its sets much faster than latex and so much more suited to large moulds, its a shame it costs a fair bit more lol.

weird slug thing and a tentacle

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[Crane]

Pictures od test vials, I am very pleased with the colours of these :)
will be experimenting with ink and colours more!

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[Crane]

Stained the string on the vial to give it a more rustic feel. Set in tea over night.

New tentacle casts I'll be colouring soon.

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[FraserMcT]

This is awesome. Gotta try it!!

[Crane]

Completed a vial, I'm fairly proud of the finished product, I could do better with the label, but overall as a prototype I'm happy with it.

Also my large tentacle cast came out pretty well, planning on painting it in the near future.

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Just some doodles to get back into the swing.

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[Trixtar]

Your jars... I am highly fascinated, slightly repulsed because some of them really look morbidly creepy, and major curious all at the same time :p

I like your sketches too :)

[Crane]

Thanks trixtar, they're are fairly easy to make and fun to freak people out :D

More drawings done while watching some whitlatch tutorials.

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[Trixtar]

OMG! You haven't updated since I was last here!?

OK, a few interesting drawings yes... but apart from that :p

I hope you get time to update soon, both drawings and your very fascinating little jars of creepiness :)

[raqmo]

I like your creature sketches. I want to see more! more! :)

[Crane]

Small update, sorry for the quality :(

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[Crane]

More pictures from the last 2 hours or so.

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[Crane]

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[Crane]

More drawings, few muscle studies, need to do more!

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[Trixtar]

I Totally like your new updates :D
The wolf-drawings are my personal faves, but OK I love animals :p

You seem to work pretty freely and fluently. I wish I could do that, I always tense up and eh!

Well... Great that you got it uploaded, and I hope to see more... someday... soon? :)

[Trixtar]

Btw... 90 sketchbooks, 1 per month... That'll take you 7.5 years?
Damn I bet you'll be awesome in even 2 years if you keep it up!

I should give myself such a challenge too.... :)

[Crane]

@Trix

Thanks haha, I tell myself to let go and not be to bothered about how the drawings come out, they will get better regardless, it increases line confidence and I always use a pen so it teaches me to use mistakes plus make less of them :)

7.5 years is far far too long, I will try for 1 a week, then one a day! if only :p
Small update.

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[-D_art-]

great work!!! thats alot of sketchbooks, you are doing great so far! nice lines, keep drawing and posting ;)

[Eternal Apprentice]

Dang! I want some sketchbooks! What did you search for to find that?

[Trixtar]

Also add the huge ones you made yourself to the list of sketchbooks :P

I like your update. I should definitely go and do bones too.
Did you use a book for the last one, or did you go for imagination of how the bones behave during arm movement?

Be careful you're not gonna burn yourself out in the process of filling out the sketchbooks. So far you are doing good though :)

Now I'll go draw and see if I can finally make myself earn the right to decently update my own sketchbook today...

[Crane]

@-D_art-: Hey man, thanks for dropping by :) and thanks for explaining my question! I'll be checking out what you suggested.

@Eternal Apprentice: Hey, I found them by accident while looking for old books on ebay, they were under sketchbook joblot, always worth a check.

@Trix: I really should, to be honest it should already be full since I made it years ago, so ashamed :( I think it is about 6 of the red ones combind lol I may switch them up since the red ones are half the size almost and sometimes are uncomfortable to work in :/ need to flatten them out, hills are annoying.

As for the bones, I'm drawing out a figure from ref and then attempting to add bones from memory, it is VERY tricky, damn bones, but I think it is a good way to learn, I hope.
Not doing anywhere near enough to burn myself out, won't be happy until I fall asleep drawing every night :)

Now update your SB I wanna see stuff! Also you're never on skype! :p

[zou]

hi Crane

glad to see you"'re being active lately, keep it dude

your bones are pretty nice, be sure to draw many so they stick in your mind.
your lines quality is nice too, keep that looseness

and POST MOOOAAAAARRRRRR

[Anthis]

Heya Crane!

That's a lovely stack of pristine sketchbooks. I'm looking forward to watching what awaits them.

I like the sketchbooks; Lots of stuff from reference as well as imagination. Using magazines as ref is a great idea. Experiment a bit with line direction when shading. for example, try wrapping your lines around the form to indicate the shape. You were already doing this in some of the creatures from imagination, like in post #12. Nice job on using pens, by the way. Looking forward to seeing more creatures and characters!

Great to see some anatomy studies. The forearm is really complex though. You got it mostly right, but applying it is tough. Ulna attaches to the pinky side of the hand, radius to the thumb side. When you hold your arm in front of you with the palm up, the two are more or less aligned. Twist your arm (pronation (http://www.answers.com/topic/pronation), look at the picture) and the radius 'crosses over'. You can check (and draw) using your own body. Here's (http://www.joint-pain-expert.net/elbow-anatomy.html) another good link.
Musculature on the forearm is mostly located near the elbow and not as much near the wrist (you've done this correctly in the last drawing, its a really characteristic shape). You can feel the bones right under the skin at the wrist though, so you got loads of empty space in the latter drawing.
Using any particular reference for this? Like anatomy drawing books?

Also, do you only work digital or traditional only?

[Crane]

@Zou: Hey man, thanks for the welcome :) I plan to keep drawing until my hands are bleeding nubs and then use my feet :O More pictures up, just for you! don't you feel special :p

@Anthis: Hey, thanks for dropping by! Did you look at my older sketchbooks? I wasn't sure if you added the s on sketchbooks by accident and just meant this SB lol

That crit is brilliant, exactly what I was hoping for, thank you so much, really really helps :)
As for reference I have a very large number of photo books, anatomy books, recently picked up 37 nat geo mags for £10 on ebay, which is where most of my faces are from at the moment, the anatomy book I use most is cyclopedia anatomicae, don't know if you have it or what, very great book.
EDIT* The drawing with a lot of spare space on the wrist area is actually a rather large woman, so she really did have that amount of space in that area lol.

I actually have some pictures of my books here http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73635, a review thread I posted but didn't really take off :( I did purchase 10 more books over the week too.

I draw traditional mostly as I love it, I have a tablet and artweaver (recentish purchases) but haven't really been confident enough to try it out seriously yet.

More pictures from today, not all nor are they great quality as my battery was dying so I took them quickly.

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[Aaron_]

WOw cool sketchbook, very interesting mark making you have here, great designs too.

The jars from page 1 is absolutely aweeesome, I love all of them. Must be the coolest thing ever to have on your shelf.
(Random guest walks into the bedroom, "OMG!! WTF??")

[Trixtar]

I am so in love with your colored pencils! I have the first and the last too... should go check if the store has gotten more of them if the selection is that huge!

Anyways, great updates :)

[tronrobot]

hey like ur stuff! good luck on those sketchbooks! its guna be relentless, but i admire you if u achieved filling all those up. Goodluck.

[Crane]

@continue; Thanks man :) yeah they tend to get some weird looks from visitors :p

@Trix; They rule, seriously, get billions of them! I command you!.

@tronrobot; Hey, it really will be, but whats the cost of being a decent artist hu :)

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[Eternal Apprentice]

The drawings where you put the bones in them. How did you achieve that initial drawing? Pictures? Life? So far I have looked for bulk sketchbooks and I only found them on ebayUK so the shipping would be ridiculous! I will just buy cheap, plain printing paper in bulk (500 pages) and try to fill those up.

[Crane]

@Eternal Apprentice; The figures were from ref, old nat geo magazines mostly. Buying bulk copy paper is just as good, you can always hole punch them and put some string and make shift covers on them to keep it together, I have several like that, one has 600 sheets in it.

[Crane]

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Just turning studies into monsters, keeping it half from life and half from imagination.

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Update, couple of things from imagination. Almost finished the 1st sketchbook.

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[hu-ha]

Ohh man these sketchbooks are sexy, your magic pencils are sexxy and your latex creations, hmm maybe not sexy but very cool. I wouldn't mind having these in my room, must have for mad scientists :inject: LOL at monster-studies, try to focus on your proportions and ur skill will grow with time :sungod:

[zou]

hi crane

those anatomy study are pretty good, loose and funny
but you should stick to real proportions for now
when doing anatomy study , you also practice proportions

you can also do bargue copies to practice proportions

[Crane]

Hu-Ha: Thanks man, they are fun to make :O I have issues with proportions :( practice practice practice!

Zou: Hey, I will look this Bargue up and do some studying!

Couple of drawings, COMPLETED THE 1ST SKETCHBOOK!

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[Trixtar]

I totally like your anatomy-perspective studies :)

-And gratz on being done with the 1st SB!!!

[Crane]

Thanks Lou :)

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[Trixtar]

OMG you improve fast! Very nice update :)

[iambanana]

Lots of improvement. Lovin the penis monsters. Just my cup of tea. Keep it up!

[zou]

nice work crane


if you want explore more bargue drawings

here's how to make the full exercice

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=113729

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=113729

[Aryeh]

very nice. try to understand the fundamental shapes, cube/sphere/tube when you draw it will save you a lot of time cause you will learn about the structure of things!

[Riley Stark]

Wow. That's a crap load of sketchbooks! That's awesome that you're going to try to fill them all!

There's some nice stuff going on so far. I especially like your latest update in post #209. (Some really awesome studies in that one! Is that pen you're drawing in? If it is, you're a lot braver than I am!) What the proportions on the stuff you're doing from imagination -- sometimes things look slightly off. (Your line quality is kind of interesting, however, and it almost makes me gloss over the anatomy mistakes because they look kind of cool, instead of just like mistakes. XD)

Keep up the good work, you're improving really fast!

[Anthis]

Whoa Crane, that's a respectable library of art books. Good stuff. I've recently started working on a collection as well. How's Rakuga King treating you? I got mine in the mail today, think it's fantastic.

Good to hear you've got a tablet. Was just wondering about whether you also worked digital since we've got the SSG studies going. Don't want to leave people out when deciding on topics, you see. Also, the Daily Sketch Group is a great place to have fun and practice with digital sketching.

Congrats on desecrating that first sketchbook! Finished it off with some great monsters. I like those human/monster hybrids; they allow you to try crazy stuff while practising anatomy and different materials. I enjoy the ones in #204 and the last post because you've taken time for some shading. Going well for you, try that some more!

Try taking small mini-breaks to take some distance and review the entire drawing to spot proportion issues. Takes a second. Drawing 'all over' the place rather than focusing on one area at a time can work too. I find that when I get too caught up in e.g. shading one area, it's easy to completely lose track of the rest. Resulting in stuff not sitting well together.

[Dizon]

Hi Crane! Keep up the studies. Train your eye in observation and doing your best in putting them down on paper.

The Bargue drawings are a great way of doing that because a lot of the drawings are simplified into straight lines and distinguishable lights and shadows. This allows you to focus on the big shapes rather than the small details. Details are only secondary because if you don't have a strong foundation, everything else will just fall apart.

Also look at your angles, alignments, size relationships, negative shapes, etc. and always compare your drawing to what you're observing.

[Crane]

Terrible busy.

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[Riley Stark]

Nice update. (I know this time of year is crazy for a lot of people.)

The hand studies look great and the first picture (and the variant) is too funny. (Something about it just cracks me up.) If I had to nitpick something, I feel like I want to see a highlight of some sort on the eye of the seal, but that's really all I've got.

Keep up the good work!

[zou]

the last terada copy is great

your lines are getting better with those studies

but try to keep that confidence with photo/life studies
remember: coping other artist is much easier than interpreting real life subjects, you must make your brain work much more

good luck with nexts

[Hai]

Your studies are great! I may be way off, but it looks like you sometimes rush through your drawings. You might benefit from slowing down and really concentrate on the markmaking. Keep drawing!

[Angel Intheuk]

Hiya Crane!

Great sketches :D Nice start on the mega sketchbook challenge! Don't have anything to add to what the other guys have said so I'll just say "Keep it up, you can definitely see an improvement already."

Oh, I guess I do have something to add if you've not already heard it, sometimes it's easier to see values and shapes when you squint and it can help you to not focus on the details too much.