Looking for a partner for Bridgman study

[kyurai]

Hello,

my name is Hayden and i am looking for a few people to study Bridgman with.

If this is the wrong place for me to post this type of message, please remove it, and shame on me for posting in the wrong place.

Sooo, i want to start drawing again everyday, so i chose to redo Bridgman, but this time i wana do it right. And since i m a little lazy i thought it was a good ideea to have a few more people along for the ride, so we can critique and encourage each other.

Last time i went through the book, i only chose the parts that i liked and those i didn t like, i m ashamed to say, got a little skipped.

So, what i mean by "doing it right": i want to take it a chapter at a time and try to understand the drawings rather them just copy them. And as an additional step, for each chapter (or body part if you will :p) i want to draw from picture or life(if it is possible) references. I mean, that after the theoretical part, a practical part should follow so a few pictures of the anatomy, from different angles can t do the brain and hands any harm.

If anyone wants to do this, let me know :)

[surfandsnow]

Christian223 one post below started a group to study anatomy based on kchens notes which are a little different from bridgman, but arguably a little better to go over first since bridgmans notes can be a little inconsistent. Your welcome to join I am sure you can mix brigman studies in with some kchen studies.

[Alternative]

Hey man! I just started studying Bridgman a few days ago and I would be happy to follow this road with you! Would you like to study his Life Drawing book first?

[kyurai]

hey there :)

yeah sure , just give me a day to look over it and make a plan.
i want to see how long are the chapters and how long it will take us to go through them. Sounds ok to you ?

oh yeah, and you wanna post the exercises here or in our skethbooks ? either is ok for me

[kyurai]

me again,

just looked over the book. Sounds great, it has everything that the anatomy one has and them some.
Cewl, so, wanna start next week?
It depends on your schedule as well. I am busy during the day with work(bleahhh), and i will probably have time for drawing only in the evening. So what i m trying to say is that i will not move very quickly with this.

let me know how this will work for you :)

[Alternative]

The way I have been drawing lately is that I draw at least a bit everyday,even if its only a drawing. Usually its much more than that, but at least a drawing. So I was thinking we could start with with the Building the Figure chapter. And see how long it takes to get past that drawing at least one a day.
Make sure u are reading everything he is saying and trying to make sense of the drawing, not only mindlessly copying. Perhaps when we are done with the chapter we can write to each other what we learnt and compare notes.
I was thinking to post it in the sketchbook. Maybe we can put a little label on it, saying its part of this activity. Oh, and of course, crit each other on the drawings as we post them. ( We can subscribe to each others sbs)


Lemme know!

[kyurai]

sounds perfect !

ok, i ve subscribed to your sketchbook. So i think this sounds really good. We each do our drawings and post them in the sketchbooks.
I love your idea about making notes. We should post the notes in this thread, when we have something interesting to say or when we finished a chapter.

Sweet ! Gonna start tonight!

[Alessandro]

If you want to continue in your project I am ok. I am enginer too.. I know what you mean to find the time for drawing.
I have only to wait that arrive the book of Bridgman .. I think at the end of this week.
Let me know.
lex

[kyurai]

the more the merrier :P

it would be great if you would join in.

[Alternative]

Great Hayden :) I subscribed to yours as well! This is gonna be great! I wont be able to do any Bridgman tonight, cause i already have this drawing group thing i do, and i need to finish work! Tomorrow I will have some up!

Good luck!

And Alessandro! Join us mate. You can find an online version of the book online meanwhile =)

[kyurai]

You can find an online version of the book online meanwhile =)

i found almost all book i needed to read on scribd.com. maybe it has this one also

[Alessandro]

ok The book is arrived... where do we start?
;)
yesterday I began to read the book.

[NewGuy22]

damn I want in! hmm what color is that book yall are starting again? I have a few of his..the green one right? Looking at sketchbooks...hit me up ill join !

[kyurai]

ha! sweet !
didn t think that this will get this thread will get so many replies. Again sweet!

Everyone who wants to join this is very welcome.

In the posts above, alternative and I agreed to post out weekly (or more frequent) work in our sketchbook). So, if you want to as well, please start a sketchbook and then we can all subscribe to each others sketchbooks.

If you don t wanna do that, imo i think it s perfectly fine to post in this thread. We critique each others work just as well here.

I looked through the first chapters in the book - the proportions of the human figure, measurements and
interlocking(of the masses).
I think this would be a good start. If we start this weekend or on monday next week we have time to read and maybe finish those, until sunday next week. Please remember this not a race on who finishes first, and my estimation may be completely off. What i m suggesting is that we try to give an assignment and a deadline first and see how this works out.(This way we will find out whether we are moving to fast or to slow. Only trial and error can give us the correct answer here, so let s start with a week long assignment).

In order for us to learn in a better way from bridgman, here s a list of what i learned while lurking on these forums and other sites on the net. Maybe it will help.

1. personally i don t find the texts in the books very useful. The pictures are more important. I am saying read the text, but focus more on the pictures.

2. About the pictures, it s not just about copying them, but understanding them. Breaking them in small, easy understandeble shapes/masses. I try to see them like a problem that needs solving. So you break the text of the problem in smaller pieces, so you can understand the small stuff before getting the big picture.
I guess, the bottom line here, is don t just blindly copy. It doesn t matter how terrible the final result is on paper as long as wyou understand the process of constructing that shape.

3. The best way to learn something yourself is to try to explain it to someone else. (This i got from marshal vandruff's streaming class).
So, if during our tries we encounter something that we believe is important( the "Ahaaaa!" moment) please post your notes in this thread. You never know who you might be helping this way.

Wow, long post... Please let me know guys if what i said until now is acceptable or add you own comments to everything above :)

[Alessandro]

perfect.... we can start...
:)
I wil try to draw without shading. Because I want to improve my pencil in comics ;).

[ajtabril]

Hey, It looks like awesome... If doesn't matter, I want to become a partner in this interesting way.
I am learning to draw and I think it will be good to share the experience and the problems with another people. I have never studied art (but now I am learning to paint on my free time, 4 hours a week) and, if my work let me do it, i will try to post every week.

[Alessandro]

Hey, It looks like awesome... If doesn't matter, I want to become a partner in this interesting way.
I am learning to draw and I think it will be good to share the experience and the problems with another people. I have never studied art (but now I am learning to paint on my free time, 4 hours a week) and, if my work let me do it, i will try to post every week.

I am an engineer .. I started to draw in september. ;)

[ajtabril]

I am an engineer .. I started to draw in september. ;)

I am also engineer !!!!!!!!!!
And i started to paint in september....
It's a great coincidence, I hope you'll open one sketchbook and we can see how you improve.
Keep going Alesandro

[kyurai]

engineer here as well :)) LOL ... what kind of engineers are you guys ?

[Alessandro]

I am Mecchanical , but Now I work as expert of safety . Safety for workers.

[ajtabril]

I am geological and civil engineer and i work researching in the university.

[kyurai]

i am the software kind, the ones everybody curses when something goes wrong. :D
we did a semester of mechanics(don t really know why or what it had to do with our training) and it was pretty awesome. assuming that what our university called mechanics is the same with what you guys were doing :)


okay, i ve started with the studies, and there are a few things i ve noticed about my figures:
1. i draw them too long, especially the part between the head and the pectoral muscles. i have to work on keeping that part more close to the real thing
2. the legs i draw are , again, too long. In my women figures i think it kinda looks ok, but in the males it it just awkward.
3. I have major issues with anatomy in perspective. Even if it s slightly off the main line i can t do it right without peeking at the reference drawing.

[Klandestineone]

Mind if I jump on the bandwagon with this, kyurai? I've been thinking about getting a study partner again. My IM name is in my profile and I'm usually on in the evenings.

[Alessandro]

@kyurai: I can say that the proportion of 8/9 heads are the modern size..
I prefer 8, the 9 is used for fashion model and make the figure too thin.
The heads in the last draw(side view) are too back and too small.
I think next time is better to put a number over the pics , in this way we can speak directly of a pic.
great job.. I think I'll post something in the evening just to show you somethings ;)
I am in italy so dont forget my time :)

[ajtabril]

Kyurai: Very good update.

First: you draw fast and good the gesture with the correct lines.
Good simplified for the masses in the human body.
In the last picture i agree with alessandro, the heads are too small.
Keep going man.... now you can see what i did these days.

I noticed that my legs, in all the drawings, are weird, it was dificult for me to draw them. I draw slow and i don't know how to draw faster.

Come on !!!!! Critics and draw!!!!!!

[Klandestineone]

kyurai

Your sketches are coming along nicely, particularly the construction breakdowns. I have the same issues with making the legs of my figures too long as well. Usually I go for the 8-head proportions, but I tend to lose focus along the way and my drawings sometimes end up looking awkward.

ajtabril

I draw painfully slow as well, but speed comes with practice. In my opinion, the only issues that I see with you drawing legs are on the rightmost figures on the 1st and last sheets. The female drawings on the last sheet are quite good, except for the heads being a bit too small. I like the hatching also.

As soon as I figure out what is wrong with my scanner, I'll upload what I've done.

[Klandestineone]

My scanner is now working, thank goodness.

[kyurai]

@ajtabril: you seem to have no problems with breaking down the figure. I personally think in round shapes, that s why bridgman seems harder to draw. But from what i see in these pictures you tend to draw in square blocks.

i like the shading. In the girl drawings, maybe the head is a little small, but not much. Ans for the last girl the position seems off to me. like the lower body and the upper body are not working together.

@klandestione: on page 3, the big figure looks really good. What i see from picture 3 and 4 is that you can do upper body really good and with details. But the lower body is not as detailed.
On picture 4, the left leg (never know if i should refer to my left or the pose's left, so it s gonna be my left ) is a bit odd.

[ajtabril]

@Klandestineone: wow!!! your drawings are really consistents, i specially like the 3rd, good in details and good gesture, I only see that in the 3rd picture, the buttom left small body, the body weight seems not to be in the good place.

@kiuray: thanks ! and wait for updates

draw draw draw

[Klandestineone]

Thanks for the critique, kyurai. Yeah I have a problem with making the lower extremities look less defined. There's more work to be done. I'm really enjoying this. :)

Hey, ajtabril. Yeah I see what you're saying about the reverse figure I tried. I have this weird issue with switching directions of poses. Maybe it's a left-handed problem, I don't know.

[GaussianRaider]

I'm in as well! How does this work exactly? Should we make a common schedule and try to respect it?
Kyurai, in the first drawings I think you should check the height of the kneecap (patella!)

EDIT: my last bridgmans in my sketchbook if you guys wanna help, i'll post my next ones here as well ;)

[ajtabril]

Welcome GaussianRaider :D
Here my last bridgman study.
I hope see your updates soon .... come on!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=941915&stc=1&d=1269797031

[Klandestineone]

Gaussianraider, to make it easier for us, add the link to your sketchbook in signature.

ajtabril, I like the breakdown of the cube measurements.
I've been busting my tail trying to finish my entry for a imaginfx challenge. I'm almost done though, so I can start on the Bridgman studies again.

[kyurai]

hey,

sorry for not posting for so long. I did draw(did my homework here, heh) :D but i did something sorta stupid. I got annoyed and replaced Windows with Kubuntu and only after that i found out that there are no drivers for my scanner. Nice huh ? So i will scan them at a friend s computer and luckily i will be able to post tonight.

@ajtabril: i see that you re really studying the studies, so to speak. So what i see in the 2 problematic drawings is this:
- in the first one(something weird guy) - the lower part of the body is a little strange. I think it comes from the leg in the foreground. It will never start that high on the body.
- in the second one(the weird legs) - yeah i think you spotted it right. The legs are
a bit awkward, so he looks like he s going to fall over. There is this thing that my 4th grade drawing teacher taught me (probably everyone was thought this, but it stuck in my mind): the center of the head and the center of the foot have to be on the same vertical line so the figure has balance. I think that if you angle the foot in the foreground a little more it will look right.Right now the upper part of that leg is to straight and stiff.

@GaussianRider: - first of all welcome !
[QUOTE] Should we make a common schedule and try to respect it [\QUOTE] - yeah, that s the ideea. I think it will be easier for all of us to see and maybe critique each other if we stick to the same chapters.
- and please add a link to your sketchbook in your signature :)

[kyurai]

okay, finally scanned them :)

[kyurai]

Sooo, since we are almost finished with the first chapters, i thought it was time to see how we can apply what we learned. (sorry if it sounds too much like what a teacher would say).

i looked around a little and found a few photo references for wedging and interlocking and for the Balance chapter (not there yet, just planning a little ahead ).

Wedging and interlocking:
http://www.characterdesigns.com/bandaid/content/photosets/221/236/Photoset%20008_015.JPG
http://www.characterdesigns.com/bandaid/content/photosets/3212/3314/Photoset_034_101.jpg
http://www.characterdesigns.com/bandaid/content/photosets/47/67/figure_000_0020.JPG
http://www.characterdesigns.com/bandaid/content/photosets/47/56/figure_000_0009.JPG
http://www.characterdesigns.com/bandaid/content/photosets/679/680/figure_000_0001.JPG

Balance:
http://www.characterdesigns.com/bandaid/content/photosets/3635/3711/Photoset_035_0071.jpg
http://www.characterdesigns.com/bandaid/content/photosets/2751/2886/Photoset_030_135.jpg
http://koukei.deviantart.com/art/balance-V-57635480
http://www.characterdesigns.com/bandaid/content/photosets/3635/3745/Photoset_035_0105.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__sie4iKEJQI/R9WjIkdulYI/AAAAAAAACkI/o51-QsD4mbg/s400/ballet.jpg

What i want to do is just block out the big masses of the figures, so i can see how the masses go together. I think that for me it s good practice to see the human body in different angles from the ones in the book. And also see if i can break them up. since in the book everything is already outlined for you and there is no work in identifying the parts.

And for the balance part, i think it s obvious, i want to see how the masses are distributed in order for the human body to mentain its balance. I want to find the balance line and see from there what body part helps balance another part.

So, you guys wanna do this ? it s just and idea, so let me know if it sounds good or not, or if the pictures are ok for the purpose or not :)

[ajtabril]

I think it's a very good idea. I will finish my studies about the first chapter of Bridgman and i will start them, i think you choose the best photos for this exercise.

thanks man.

[ajtabril]

I have done this studies, I know that I am not so fast but it's impossible, i would like that the day had 100 hours (only 8 for work, please :P).
I have enjoyed with this draw, specially with the last one, now the legs don't look like weird, i hope.
I will start with the movable masses to try to understand how the body works in a complete one.

http://conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=947305&stc=1&d=1270400477

[Klandestineone]

WTH? Where the heck is my post?

[kmoeini]

Hello, I've just started working on Bridgman too.

[kmoeini]

I drew some more last night...

[kyurai]

@ajtabril: i completely agree with the 100 h day, under your conditions :D
The last drawings are looking very good. I don t think i have any critique about them.

@kmoeini: welcome aboard ! :)
to me, your drawings look a little rushed, like you don t have enough patience for them.
btw, you don t have to rush and ketch up or anything for these, just as long as you enjoy doing them

@klandestineone: if first you don t succeed, try, try again ? :p

[Klandestineone]

Ok...trying this again....

Sometimes it's hard to see what Bridgman is drawing, for me anyway. When you see the smaller studies, you have to remember how anatomy works in that given pose.

[kmoeini]

Klandestineone,
Your lines are very clean, and I like how you drew the 6 poses larger.

[kyurai]

okay... new batch...

[Klandestineone]

Kyurai, you're killing it on your studies.

Alright, here's mine.

[Heliux]

I found this forum a little late, but I'm in as well. I've been going through Hogarth's head studies, but I'd also like to do some full body studies with Bridgman.

[kyurai]

hey all ,

sorry for not login in for such a long time:
@Heliux: welcome to the bridgman study thread!

@Klandestineone: those look great, i didn t have the patience for all the little ones, but then again patience is not one my virtues.
i love the lines in those drawings ... so clean.

and now a little spam... i just have to brag, can t help it:
i have been taking care of this little critter the past week, his name is Data :P

[Heliux]

Hey guys.

Alright I think its a good idea to set a few intentions for my study because I know I've got some issues that need to be worked out in my figure studies and its better to have a cohesive focus. :P

-I'd like to accurately draw foreshortened figures. (I'm so bad at this and its a big Achilles heel for my drawings)

-my measurements are off on my previous figure work-limbs longer than they should be and that such.

-certain anatomical features are left out-muscles not flexing when they should be, guess work on certain smaller bones, ect.

-I have a hard time completing a preconceived idea-instead I kind of feel out a figure and its pose, which lets the drawing take control of me instead of vice-versa, so I think the answer lies in a preconceived thumbnail and drawing the whole figure instead of pieces growing outward.

My scanner is in Texas and my camera battery in New York, so after I make to move back to Cali I'll see about mailing it or borrowing a friends to put my sketch stuff up, but in the mean time I'll date the stuff in my sketchpad and do digital. ;|

[Klandestineone]

Aww, Data is so cute. Look at the tufts of hair on his ear tips.

All right here's my update. I'm going to get back on track with these studies. Slacking is not good for an artist. Thanks for the comments, guys.

[kyurai]

thanks ! he s sorta doubled in size since the post :)

wow ! these last sketches look really great!

and yes, i m slacking right now. i think i need a swift kick in the butt to get myself started again :)
soooo, if i don t post by sunday night, please use the kick !

[Klandestineone]

Hey, kyurai, here's your kick for not posting.

Here's my update. I did a couple of studies based on those links you posted, kyurai. I'm afraid I didn't nail the Bridgman style too well.

[kyurai]

oh wow.. these are really beautiful ! i love the feeling in the second one !

you are right, i totally deserve the kick. i just don t know why i m slacking so much ...
i ll have my friends kick me in real life tonight and i ll restart with these :)

[Klandestineone]

A Bridgman update....

[Lidiev]

Can I join in fun?

[kyurai]

hi,

yeah sure... i think this thread has been a little dead lately.
i kept on saying that i ll get back to it, but somehow i just didn t find the time :(

but if you think it could help you, i ll give crits(as best as my knowledge goes) to your posts if you want to start with the bridgman study :), even if i won t be posting in the near future

lem'me know

[Lidiev]

Sweet, but at the moment I'm starting to do Loomis studies, can I post them here?

[kyurai]

in theory, this is a bridgman thread, but if you want you can post loomis too.

it has a different approach, but in general it deals with the same main chapters