Do you get high?

[DanielandTheLionsPen]

I do

:)

http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v32/sprocket2k3/Doodles/desertmushrooms.jpg

http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v32/sprocket2k3/Doodles/squiggly1.jpg

http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v32/sprocket2k3/Doodles/6d6e7587.jpg

*edit: For the sober and judgemental: These are just doodles... don't assume I am incapable of real sketching and drawing because I get high.

[JoshuaTheJames]

Wow Brother. Put down the Drugs and Draw more.

:bash:

We're gonna have to get you some less friendly Lions...

-Joshua

[dfacto]

I believe this thread gets the "Out of Left Field" award.

[AnarchyAo2]

I usually try to be open-minded about things. Though, I think that using drugs for the sole purpose of drawing better is just rediculous. Its a insult to all the people who spend hours, day, weeks, or months on their designs, color choices, etc. Its quite upsetting to see a crack head do the same just because he bought a packet of crack for 20 bucks. Also, it gives all artists a bad name when people do this. A lot of people think that all artists do some form of drug. Or are psychotic in some shape or form. Its sad to hear that they're somewhat right.

P.S. I don't think I take my sig seriously! :p

[Devilock138]

Originally posted by AnarchyAo2
I usually try to be open-minded about things. Though, I think that using drugs for the sole purpose of drawing better is just rediculous. Its a insult to all the people who spend hours, day, weeks, or months on their designs, color choices, etc. Its quite upsetting to see a crack head do the same just because he bought a packet of crack for 20 bucks. Also, it gives all artists a bad name when people do this. A lot of people think that all artists do some form of drug. Or are psychotic in some shape or form. Its sad to hear that they're somewhat right.

I've never done a drug. I don't even drink. I agree 100% with what you've stated. :chug:

[dfacto]

Well, most people don't think of the regular Joes working for game studios when they think of modern artists. They think of modernistic hippy types who wear berets, get high, and do artsy fartsy paintings. I mean look at Pollock's work. If I didn't know that he had problems I would assume that he got raging high and/or drunk (hmm, maybe not both at the same time) before working on his pieces. Or Warhol. I assume that you can only appreciate his works fully when on a trip.

I thought the same way before I actually started getting interested in art and seeing all the normal (:rofl:) people who populate the field. Its just the attention whoring art snob types who get the media attention, and that's why people have a distorted image.

(I don't like artsy people. Its a miracle I've managed not to write essays for the artsy people thread)

As for the original posts, the art would be better if it was cleaner. Kinda interesting graphic design, but not really anything moving. At least not for me and my cold cold heart.

Oh, and no I don't do drugs, and I don't drink.

[cucaracha]

Well, actually I saw my best friend turning into a little bunch of shit because of drug abuse.

I can do those artsy fartsy (and butt-ugly) images without taking drugs, and even better ones.

[benzo]

Originally posted by JOSHUATHEJAMES
Wow Brother. Put down the Drugs and Draw more.

:bash:

We're gonna have to get you some less friendly Lions...

-Joshua


haha!

you shouldn't need or use drugs to become a better artist. hard work and dedication is all you need to start smoking Dan the Man.

[AnarchyAo2]

Look at me, I can make pictures that make no sense with pot too! Well, I didn't have pot, I guess Pepsi will suffice, its got caffine!

:rolleyes:

http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v48/AnarchyAo2/aasdfasdf_copy.jpg

[amphex]

dude.....thats good.

[N D Hill]

I don't do drugs becuase hippies do drugs, and hippies suck.

[DanielandTheLionsPen]

Bah!

No one said anything about smoking to become a better artist. Those were just doodles and I could care less if anyone likes them. I could also care less whether anyone likes me getting high...

drugs are not the problem, people are the problem, smoking weed every so often isn't going to bring out any traits in a person unless that person wants it to...

I like being calm and creative and being high is only a creature comfort, for the most part I am always level headed and always imagining things but couldn't we say that is due to the open mindedness that might've resulted from smoking?

Your call.
Natural pschoactives are not that bad. Marijuana and Mushrooms are two enlightening substances if used with the right attitude.

later.

http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v32/sprocket2k3/cartoons/GlodinDA.jpg

[amphex]

or maybe with used with the right attitude they make you think that they are enlightening substances but theyre really not!!!!

and then you die

[nil]

Originally posted by Exo
I don't do drugs becuase hippies do drugs, and hippies suck.

couldnt have put it better myself :chug:

[cotron]

i already have enough trouble getting motivation, I would do absolutely nothing if I was a pothead...

but to each his own. don't get caught, jail is a different kind of enlightenment :)

[N D Hill]

Boy. Now all of a sudden I really wish I wasn't too young to remember van-art. If i had a van I'd paint a little kid riding a unicorn stabbing "the man" with his horn. Either that or Scooby-doo, Gismo from Gremlins and Slimer from ghostbuster all danceing around big peace symbol. That'd kick ass. I also actually appreciate the people who make it. It's not like any of it really serves a social purpose, it's just there for anyone too like at as they pass it on the interstate and either shake their head or say "hell yeah."

anyway, what were we talking about?

[cucaracha]

*stamp* [ARTSY FARTSY]
you don't care if anybody judges your drug abuse, you don't care if anybody likes your doodles, but you still trying to print your pubertal opinions on us.

ask yourself - do we need to know about your nonsense-hobbies? Is anybody interested in paintings that childs could do better?

Obviously, I care. But only once, because I try to negate hormon-obligated deviant behavior. Only once.

[dfacto]

Careful which mushrooms you take. I hear the red ones with polka dots are real yummy. Try those. Stay away from those store kind though, they are deadly.;)

[Erik]

If you don't care, go away and doodle in your own room.

Smoke as much as you like but don;t come back whining you've made a failure of your life and have medical problems.

At least change your attitude towards drugs. If you want to do drugs it's ok to do it as a social occasion but don't try to look cool by taking substances. Nobody is cool only because they digest anything.

I live in Holland, and here you can do this stuf legally. However, most people i know that actually get work done and are good at anything don't use it. Everybody tries in high school (the name, duh...) but after that mostly only the misfits continue doing it regularly...

But anyway, it's your call. Just know what you're in for. I've seen the potheads and addicts. They seem cool at first but their brain gets fried early and few recover to get anytwhere in life.

[AnarchyAo2]

Yep. Most of my old friends are pot heads now. About 1/2 of them are kicked out of school perminately for doing it in the bathroom at school. 1 had to have his family move to PA (I live in VA), because no other schools in the state would take him. 2 got to come back to school after taking night school for 2 years. One got kicked out again after doing speed in the bathroom. Another got kicked out a year later for huffing in the bathroom. Keep in mind that all of these guys had hopes of going to college and were damn smart in school. They just wanted to be cool and show off. I thought it was stupid. I mean, if I don't need to do pot now, how am I really missing out on anything? Plus, I never have any money to buy it. :D

[DanielandTheLionsPen]

"Smoke as much as you like but don;t come back whining you've made a failure of your life and have medical problems. "

BAHAHAHA.

Yeah okay...

I think some of you are just a little too jaded and square (yes I called you squares).

Dissing my art, predicting unlikely outcomes for my life... it doesn't do much but prove that people who smoke are generally nicer and less hostile then people who HEAR about people who smoke.

Smoke a joint...
or just continue getting upset about ME smoking a joint... either way, I'm high and fine, and your sober and bored. (or maybe we're both fine and there is no reason to be an asshole about ANYTHING, now THERE's a novel concept!)

:rolleyes:
Bye guys.

[N D Hill]

Git out a'here you lil' punk! have some r'spect for authority!

...communist.

[dfacto]

Pff, "squares". You automatically lose any argument when you use that word. Its in the hippy lexicon, and hippies have GOT to go. Wait a minute...hippies do drugs too...And they produce meaningless artwork like yours as well!

hmm. Connect the dots on that one. not a pretty image that comes out.

http://members.rogers.com/darlenescreations/hippies.jpg

[DanielandTheLionsPen]

Are you guys kidding me?

Hippies???
If smoking pot makes you a hippy you really don't have a clue what smoking is about... or why millions of americans do it, all from different cultures races and even religions (yes religious people smoke too!)

I wouldn't mind educating you all but you've obviously go your own ideas...

hippies though... rofl... that's funny.

Bye.

[dfacto]

I was talking about mulitple aspects, not the pot alone.

And don't take what you read on forums so seriously man. Chill, smoke a joint or three, take some Tylenol, maybe a bottle or two, have a case of beer...--> :xx:

Damnit, I gotta stop giving bad advice.

[amphex]

DanielandTheLionsPen : lol man. chill out. i have smoked weed, most people have smoked weed. But the people who smoke weed and then deem themselves superior for doing it are just laughable.
Many people have many different opinions on weed. Just because you smoke it all the time doesnt make yours right :).

But if you really are better than all of us ANTI-MAKING-BAD-ART-AND-CALLING-IT-GOOD-BECAUSE-YOUR-HIGH Squares, then why waste your time with us :D.

See yah!

[N D Hill]

whoa! Have you guys ever never noticed that hands are really huge? Man what if you're an ant and it's coming down to crush you! That ant's like "man! that hand's coming to get me! I better get out of here!" Don't believe me? Hold our hand up to your face and put it up really close and it's like it's growing. Wierd huh?

...crap. I have to go guys, my crystal-meth lab I was running out of my bathtub just exploaded.

[dfacto]

OMG EXO! ITS INSANE! :waves: LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT THING!


Ok, enough caps lock madness. Daniel, if you want crits on your artwork, then post on the appropriate forum section. If you want to get high, then do it and don't bother us with needless posts. And if you don't want to be scrutinized, then don't give out any information about yourself in such an attention whoring way.

[DanielandTheLionsPen]

Haha..

ok whatever. i was just looking for some cool people who smoke... not judgemental sobersome people.

my fault.

[HugeHarHar]

Did you know that weed cuts off the flow of blood to your extremities. It does more damage to your brain. Often it causes alot of lung diseases. And In my personal opinion it doesn't make people more mellow and nicer to people. It just makes them stupid. But, mainly it slows the blood to "certian" body parts. So I promote you to smoke because that will mean your...certain body parts will stop working quicker and hopefully you won't be able to have any children to add to your stupidity.

[dfacto]

ok whatever. i was just looking for some cool people who smoke... not judgemental sobersome people.

Why are you looking for fellow pot heads on an art forum? I'm sure there must be cannabis sites out there with forums of their own.

[Hesse]

wow dude those doodles are insane dude , wicked
where do you get all of them good ideas dude
i need to start smoking some serious dope if i want to make my art that good
dude your tha ganjamanartmastah
jah rules
have a beer its on the house :beer:
stop blowing keep the drinking , thats how i started to take my drawing serious ;)

http://www.drugs.indiana.edu/publications/ncadi/tips/marijuana.html


:evilbat:

[dfacto]

Evil is fun:

If I ever become obscenely rich and feel in the mood.

Step 1) I will buy off some Columbian marijuana plantations.
Step 2) Then I will make sure all the marijuana is laced with deadly chemicals.
Step 3) Distribute it at my own cost, and make sure its source is unidentifiable.
Step 4) Laugh my ass off as people die, and everyone gets super paranoid about drug use.

Heehee, plans plans plans. Either that or I would buy DARPA.
Ya, that one is more enticing.

Actually its no skin off my ass if anyone does drugs. Go ahead and smoke that joint. Its good for you. I SWEAR.;)

[STiCKy]

theres a huge difference between someone who smokes weed and a stupid pothead looking for attention

[dfacto]

True. I know people who casually did it and they were normal. Then there were people who did pot and were attention whores at the same time. They were rather out of hand.

[DanSTC]

I used pot in high school for a period of time. It actually helped me loosen up socially and be less uptight. I actually started getting better grades in class because I felt I could approach things in a more easygoing fashion and not be so concerned about what everyone thought about me.

Unfortunately, I stopped doing it for about a year and a half before I eventually almost had a nervous breakdown because of all the stress I was putting myself through. (Grades, swim team, etc.) I personally think that if I'd continued using marijuana to periodically relax during that time, I would never have gotten so stressed out like I did. But of course, I couldn't use marijuana...swim team had urine drug tests and other junk, so I couldn't afford to take that risk.

In spite of my positive personal experiences with marijuana use, I've noticed there's this tendency of frequent drug users or "stoners" to exalt the idea that pot causes you to be extraordinarily creative, "expands your mind" or whatever...but that's ridiculous. These people are carrying delusions of grandeur about their experiences with what is essentially a fairly mild recreational drug that's not that far off from coffee, except that it helps you relax instead of making you jittery.

But of course, like any other drug out there, there are some people who just can't take pot, or whom pot has different effects on than other people. (A lot like those who are allergic to caffeine or alcohol, basically.) A lot of the stoners don't acknowledge or recognize this, which is a bit problematic if they want to honestly reform people's pereceptions of drug use.

Of course, I personally advocate the legalization of marijuana, for both recreational and medicinal use. If marijuana were legal, I believe I would enjoy using it from time to time, for a lot of the same reasons I enjoy a nice cup of coffee from time to time. Unfortunately since it is illegal, I will not use it personally for fear of repercussions, but will continue to strongly advocate its legalization.

I also think drugs in general should be decriminalized. (Note: There's a difference between legalization and decriminalization.) For one thing it would mean that there would be little reason to exagerrate the effects of drug use in order to keep the public misinformed and paranoid about them. People who can make more trusting and informed decisions will not tend to act as irrationally or heavy-handed towards others.....this is important, because heavy-handed "reefer madness" style anti-drug programs have often been shown to have the opposite effect on people, who upon discovering how misinformitive the anti-drug side arguments can often be, don't know who or WHAT to trust, and often overlook the serious dangers that many drugs carry with them.
In a similar vein, decriminalization would additionally mean that more research studies could be devoted to discovering more that we don't know about certain drugs that have been hastily prohibited, and thusly keep a better-informed public.
Also, decriminalization would mean that people who genuinely do have drug problems are treated like sick people instead of criminals...thusly providing the proper treatment and resources to deal with their addiction, and also so that they can be encouraged find treatment without fear of having their lives destroyed by a criminal conviction.
Decriminalization also means that drug trafficking would suddenly become far less profitable for the ruthless organized crime assholes who often run it. The reason why drug trafficking is so profitable in the first place is because of the prohibition that drives up the prices and makes it so lucrative, after all.

[AnarchyAo2]

Yeah, but do you think that legalization of pot would be good? If it is accessable legally, then more people will use it. And if they like it, then they will probably try out other drugs like crack and other addictive stuff.

[STiCKy]

theres alot of pros and cons to legalizatrion of drugs, the cons are pretty brutal, and im sure thats why they are still illegal

pros - more money for the govt, less money for gangs and organized crime, all the worthless junkies will end up killing themself through overdose

cons - higher DUI rate, a whole hell of alot of crack babies due to mothers using drugs while pregnant, and i would think a higher crime rate (other then drug related crimes of course) because people do dumb shit wehen they are methed out or whatever

even if they legalized just weed and it was sold by the govt, they could probably get out of this countrys deficit with the money they made, and from what ive read hemp is the most usable material in the world, and they wont even legalize that because its like the cousin of mary

i guess if everyoen was responsible, then legalizing drugs wouldnt be so bad, but the druggies are the irresponsible ones, so it would only cause problems, but weed on the otherhand, is harmless if used socialy imo, its using it casually that can fuck ya up

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by AnarchyAo2
Yeah, but do you think that legalization of pot would be good? If it is accessable legally, then more people will use it. And if they like it, then they will probably try out other drugs like crack and other addictive stuff.

The misconception that trying marijuana will lead to other harder drugs is something that actually started back in the 1940's-50's during a scare campaign that attempted to tie heroin use to marijuana. Ever since then, there's been this stigma attached to marijuana in people's minds that trying it will lead to harder stuff.

Then there was the baseless rhetoric of marijuana being a "gateway drug" during the 80's and 90's that brought back and reinforced such misconceptions. The reasoning behind this rhetoric was that people who get drugs from "pushers" will be more apt to try other stuff since the pusher would sometimes try to pressure them into trying the other stuff. Ironically, that's practically pro-legalization reasoning, as it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that legalization would immediately put a stop to people having to deal with pushers of any kind to get their pot.

Somehow, there was also a baseless rumor being tossed around a while back (now thankfully it's been so thoroughly discredited that I don't even hear D.A.R.E. spokespersons spouting it) marijuana does something to your body that causes you to be more addicted to other drugs...this claims is of course just about as true as the "classic" doctored-photo tabloid newspaper cover from the 1970's that announced "MARIJUANA GIVES MEN BREASTS!"

In reality, using marijuana doesn't prompt anyone to try harder drugs. In fact, the majority of marijuana users don't even use harder drugs, as has been the case for very many years. Legalizing marijuana wouldn't cause any massive rush for people to use harder stuff, despite what many pot prohibitionists would have people believe.

Still somehow, the minority of users who do use harder drugs in addition to pot get all the attention by the anti-drug crowd, particularly in the media...I guess it must be because it makes for a much more effective argument on the side of the prohibitionists if they only show as much of the negative as they can.

Really though, it's tough to try and break the misconceptions because people through programs like D.A.R.E. have grown up accepting the misinformation over drugs at face value for years.

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by STiCKy
theres alot of pros and cons to legalizatrion of drugs, the cons are pretty brutal, and im sure thats why they are still illegal



Not every drug should be legalized, but they all should be decriminalized. Decriminalization just means that you won't get locked up in the slammer for using or possessing it, but you will likely get punished to a reasonable degree for producing or distributing it in large unregulated quantities. The primary effect of decrim is to make it so people can seek treatment for their addiction without fear of getting locked up. This availability of rehab treatment in conjunction with the value of drugs going down due to it being no longer totally prohibited also has a seconday effect of bottoming out the profits of the illegal narcotics trade, effectively pulling the rug out from under the feet of organized crime groups who profit from prohibition.

Also, I would add that decrim is EXTREMELY important for rehab because in many cases with physically dependant drugs (like heroin, for example) in order to kick the habit for good (or to survive treatment for that matter) a person very often needs to be given low doses of the drug that they've become physically dependant upon so their body can adjust to eventually being without the drug. No, they can't always just quit cold turkey...they need to be treated like sick people with a disease that needs proper medical care instead of people who comitted some sort of crime against society.

cons - higher DUI rate,

I'm afraid I don't really see this happening. There might be a slight increase in the cases of DUI with the decriminalized drugs, but I'm willing to wager that the amount of DUI cases would remain roughly about the same. There will always be irresponsible drivers who drive under the influence, regardless of what drugs there are available. The best we can do is make stiff penalties for DUI and inform people as much as we can about the dangers of DUI with certain drugs.

As for marijuana and driving, studies have shown that the drug caffeine actually has a slightly more significant effect on driving (reflexes, reaction time, hand-eye coord, judgement, etc.) than marijuana. In fact, the studies also showed that people on marijuana tend to drive more defensively and carefully than regular drivers. As a result of their carefulness, they actually were much more safe drivers stoned than sober.

As for me, I got a winning streak of my best track times ever in Mario Kart 64 (which I played one hell of a lot in highschool with my friends) while stoned off my ass, so I don't think my hand-eye coordination was affected...at least, not negatively anyway.

a whole hell of alot of crack babies due to mothers using drugs while pregnant,

Mothers who use drugs while pregnant will always be a problem. (Fetal alcohol syndrome, for example.) Legalizing or decriminalizing drugs won't change people who are ignorant, negligent, selfish, etc. As with drunk drivers, education and punishment for dangerous irresponsibility is what needs to be done, not simply criminalizing the substance.

Also, I'd just like to point out that the crack baby scare is today heralded as one of those examples of the media scaring the crap out of the public over something that wasn't a big deal, and that they didn't know jack shit about.

and i would think a higher crime rate (other then drug related crimes of course) because people do dumb shit wehen they are methed out or whatever

I would think a lower crime rate, actually. Gangs have bloody turf wars over where they can sell their drugs, and organized crime syndicates regularly carry out "hits" on the competition over drug money. Legalization and decriminalization would eliminate their market entirely.

Additionally, the lowering the price of drugs due to decrim would mean fewer addicts need to rob stores to support their habit, and can even legally seek proper treatment without fear of getting handcuffs slapped on.


i guess if everyoen was responsible, then legalizing drugs wouldnt be so bad,

Yes, which is why certain drugs should be legalized and regulated, while others should be decriminalized. People should not be thrown in the slammer simply for doing drugs; they should be thrown in the slammer for doing irresponsible things while intoxicated, such as driving while drunk, assaulting another person, etc.

but weed on the otherhand, is harmless if used socialy imo, its using it casually that can fuck ya up

Hey now, I used it casually and it didn't fuck me up. It actually helped straighten me out a bit. In fact, most of the people I knew in highschool who used pot were straight-A honor roll students, and it didn't "fuck them up" or send them on any crazy downward spiral of reefer madness or something.
We did have a few loser-stoners though, but I really think they would've been losers with or without pot. Drugs were just their excuse to act like the boorish or pretentious dipshits that they were.
We also had some people who did genuinely have drug addiction problems, but theirs were usually chain-smoking cigarettes or alcoholism, with the occasional person doing some really hard stuff. The people who had problems often got kicked out of school over zero tolerence crap and we never saw them again...kinda sad, really. I would think that giving them proper treatment instead of ostracising them from society would be more of a priority.

Ironically, what fucked me up in the end was all the stress I was going through during a time when I was sober. I don't think getting stoned would've cured my problems during that time, nor do I think that pot would've been the only way for me to relieve my stress, but from my previous experiences and knowledge of marijuana, I think it would've at least helped to ease off some of the stress I was going through.

Also, numerous long-term studies of marijuana use show no differences or negative changes between the frequent user, the infrequent user, and people who don't use it at all. So no, pot won't "fuck you up if you do a lot of it." (Nor will it cause any sort of long-term damage.) In fact, no one anywhere in history has ever od'ed on pot. Go ahead and chew on that for a little while. :)

[Android]

Conceptart.org European Workshop Amsterdam
april 2004


be there or be square

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17735

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by Android
Conceptart.org European Workshop Amsterdam
april 2004


be there or be square

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17735

Hmm...Artists I admire and would love to learn from, and legal marijuana. Yes, please!

If it's during a time when I can drop by via flapping my arms and flying across the atlantic ocean, I am SO there.

[dfacto]

originally posted bu DanSTC

I'm afraid I don't really see this happening. There might be a slight increase in the cases of DUI with the decriminalized drugs, but I'm willing to wager that the amount of DUI cases would remain roughly about the same. There will always be irresponsible drivers who drive under the influence, regardless of what drugs there are available. The best we can do is make stiff penalties for DUI and inform people as much as we can about the dangers of DUI with certain drugs.

I just had to disagree with you there. If more people have access to drugs and more people will do it the number of irresponsible drivers on drugs will swell, and the DUI rate will go up. Its a certainty. If you banned alcohol now the DUI rate would go down. Less people would take the risk and there would be less irresponsible drivers out there able to get drunk. Same with drugs.

[catterpillar]

I can't believe all the judgemental hatefesting going on here. so what if people smoke pot!? is it affecting you personally if someone else does light drugs? hell no! go off and join some organised religion and rain your judgements on someone who cares! I'm not going to give my opinion on drug taking here, I just have a problem with people who judge others unnecesarily. and dfacto, I think you should seek psychiatric aid as soon as possible. :eek:

[dfacto]

but...but...evil is good! :cry:

:trouble:

hehe, ultimately I don't give a damn, but when you start stupid threads you can't expect anything less than what this thread is full of.

[Devilock138]

Originally posted by DanSTC
I used pot in high school for a period of time. It actually helped me loosen up socially and be less uptight. I actually started getting better grades in class because I felt I could approach things in a more easygoing fashion and not be so concerned about what everyone thought about me.

That's not a good thing. If you can't train yourself to be able to do that without drugs it makes you dependant on them to function in those situations. The best way to relax is to... relax. Its no wonder you got stressed out, your social abilities weren't based on your own personality, but a modified version of it that only a toke and a puff could alleviate. Its like a person never learning to ride a bike because he refuses to remove the training wheels.

[AnarchyAo2]

Dan, you write too much. :p

[talmir]

hmm.. I'm not sure why anyone would make ... erm... pictures like that, go through the trouble of gettin a host for them, finding an art forum and posting it then saying "I dont care less about what anyone thinks aboutm my picture".. If you dont care, dont post!

I live on a small rock in the middle of the ocean and drugs are rampant here. One of my friends use to be the man that knocks on your door if you owe someone money.. He asked if we could tolerate blood if we asked to go with him.. we didnt and I dont know him anymore.. he fried his brain on weed.. or as some people say "Just weed". One of my best friends started doing that stuff.. she started sleeping with people to get more.. she lost her job and went into stronger chemicals.. I know one man who stopped smoking.. He used to be brillian, now hes just REAL slow.

Smoke if you want to.. I dont care what happens to you. BUT DO IT PRIVATELY.. I dont care if you smoke and frankly I dont care if you die from it.. It has been stamped onto our brains from the day of our birth that drugs are bad so it stands to reason that peopla that start are already retarted in some way.

About being more social. All you have to do is start talking to people.. the more you talk the less "uptight" you'll get. Drugs dont help. If you think so, youre delusional.

Thank you.

[amphex]

wow danstc.....how the hell do you have time to write so goddamn much on something so trivial?!
lol ...just wow!:chug:

[Erik]

Amsterdam ... yeah, it is somewhat legal here to do it.

Everyone in Holland (ok, almost) hsa in some point in life (usually highschool) come into contact with at least pot and often xtc or maybe some other pills. The latter are illegal here too. This is the same i think in most countries where it is not legal.

The fact that it is not a big deal here in Holland means that many people try it, don;t like it and quit. They don't have to be criminal in obtaining the stuff and therefore don;t get sucked into a criminal subculture that makes it hard to get out. And yes, i have seen people that become pot heads. They drop out. Some of htem go into hard drugs and end up on the street. Some kick it and use occasionally. They are ok.

It's not the fact you use drugs, it's the amount and the attitude. It does not make me cooler or a better person when i drink coffee, but i like coffee and therefore i drink it. I do know that too much coffee will addict me and have limited my intake. I don;t do drugs but if i did i'd like to go about it in the same way.

BTW. in holland it is LEGAL to:
- smoke weed in your own home
- smoke weed in a designated coffee-shop
- carry around weed FOR PERSONAL USE, i.e. a couple of grams or one small plastic bag.

It is ILLEGAL to:
- smoke out on the street (somewhat illegal that is)
- carry anything other than marihuana or weed (i.e. pills, coke, etc)
- Buy or sell hard drugs

So it is not drug heaven out here!

Just don't start calling me square just because i don't rejoice the fact that you're bragging about your drug (ab)use Daniel, it won;t do. If you post something ike that you get criticised. You take the crit and further the discussion. If you get personal or start to verbally abuse other you should leave.

E.

[bizarre]

getting high makes me feel really stupid, because i'm one of those people who likes to become very clever and witty and make grandioso speeches about the meaning of wife. life. whatever. and it sucks when my friends realize that i didn't just pause for dramatic emphasis, i actually forgot what i was talking about.

i remember my girlfriend drove me home from a party once, and she went to bed, and i went into the kitchen to find something to eat because i had the munchies.

that night i said the funniest stuff... like "fuck! Spaghetti is fucking HARD to eat!!!!!" because, apparently, forks take a great deal of coordination to utilize correctly.

ok... here's my viewpoints on drugs and music.

-taking sleeping pills and lots and lots of amphetamines to keep yourself awake and asleep at the same time isn't a good idea, because you'll fall asleep for a few seconds and maybe crash your car. or even worse fall asleep while drawing and stab your face with a pencil.

-weed really doesn't make you "high" as in noticeably different, it's just like feeling zero stress. carefree. it's great if you're usually very stressed out or uptight, to know you're capable of feeling that way, it helps you strive to achieve that state without drugs.

-psychedelics: don't do em around your parents. their hands will turn into spiders and they'll try to stab you with bananas (or hand you the phone) and your friends will call the cops on you because they told your parents and yeah.

-cocaine: it just makes you really stressed out. yeah, it's a rush, you feel like there's someone running up and down stairs in your hear for a while, till you realize it's your heart and then you think you're gonna die.

-ritalin or antidepressants for recreational use: most don't work unless you blow them and even then it's just annoying because it gets you a little buzzed but then your heart races and it sucks.

-cold/cough syrup: eh. it's not my cup of tea.

you really can't say anything about drugs until you try it.

it's not guaranteed you're going to fuck up your life when you take drugs, just like it's not guaranteed that you're gonna go on a killing spree when you buy a gun. it's what you do with it. your choice. and if you feel like you're not in control, then do me a favor and fucking od right fucking now because you people fucking annoy the hell out of me, always asking for cash, no, fuck you i don't have money for you, fuck you you asked me last week to when are you gonna overdose when are you gonna get arrested get away from me!

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by Devilock138


That's not a good thing. If you can't train yourself to be able to do that without drugs it makes you dependant on them to function in those situations.

All it did was help me relax and loosen me up a bit so I wasn't nearly as uptight. It's not like i wasn't socially interacting before. You're jumping to rather hasty conclusions about my situation here.

The best way to relax is to... relax.

And relaxation can take any number of forms. Certainly a drug that makes you sleepy and more easygoing would be a good way to go about doing that, but it's by no means the only way to relax.

What I don't get is why people try to tell me, or in some cases, force upon me their idea of how exactly I need to relax. If there's nothing wrong with someone enjoying a stiff martini to relax at a party, then what's wrong with me enjoying a marijuana joint, which is far less harmful to me than alcohol?
While we're at it, how about if I take away people's morning coffees, since there are other ways of "facing the day" without drugs? I'm sure that'll go over real well. :P

Its no wonder you got stressed out, your social abilities weren't based on your own personality, but a modified version of it that only a toke and a puff could alleviate. [/B]

I don't particularly like how judgemental you're being over my situation, presuming that I somehow *relied* on marijuana for all my social interaction, and I was some sort of social cripple before.
But I never *relied* on pot to help me interact socially, it just helped me a little during a time when I was a bit uptight. It's not like I didn't have friends before or didn't know how to interact socially, I just started networking after I felt a little more easygoing from the good experiences I had while stoned. It was a mild catalyst for helping me be less uptight, really.

Its like a person never learning to ride a bike because he refuses to remove the training wheels.

Again, you're passing rather hasty judgement. Pot wasn't a training wheel for me as I'd already learned how to "ride" years ago; it was more like a baseball card in the spokes and a nice lil' shot of grease to the chains. Basically, it was nothing spectacular, but it helped a little.

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by AnarchyAo2
Dan, you write too much. :p

Don't I know it? :)

70+ WPM, and I think fast. I'm a writer as well as an artist.

Also, I see a lot of common misconceptions about drugs being thrown out around here, so it's no skin off my back to take the time to attempt to dispel them.

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by dfacto


I just had to disagree with you there. If more people have access to drugs and more people will do it the number of irresponsible drivers on drugs will swell, and the DUI rate will go up. Its a certainty. If you banned alcohol now the DUI rate would go down. Less people would take the risk and there would be less irresponsible drivers out there able to get drunk. Same with drugs.

Actually, the number of DUI cases went up during alcohol prohibition due to all the people getting drunk in their vehicles to avoid the law. Still, I digress, as this is decriminalization I'm talking about here, not simply legalization. Milder drugs like marijuana, especially given their medicinal uses, shold be legalized, but harder stuff should merely be decriminalized because yes, it probably would not be a good idea to make harder stuff available over-the-counter.
Decriminalized drugs are still considered an illegal substance to a certain degree (usually with regards to producing or possessing in large unliscenced quantities) it's just that the penalties for possession or use are reduced or eliminated, mainly so people can seek treatment without fear, and so that organized criminal drug suppliers effectively lose their market. In many cases, especially at rehab centers, the new decrim laws would just treat narcotics a bit like prescription medications...It's not like heroin and crack is going to be made available over the counter at liquor stores or something.

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by catterpillar
I can't believe all the judgemental hatefesting going on here. so what if people smoke pot!? is it affecting you personally if someone else does light drugs? hell no! go off and join some organised religion and rain your judgements on someone who cares! I'm not going to give my opinion on drug taking here, I just have a problem with people who judge others unnecesarily. and dfacto, I think you should seek psychiatric aid as soon as possible. :eek:

A room of scary white people applauds this post.

http://home.san.rr.com/saintweb/danstc/CLAPPING.jpg

[dfacto]

And then the cops come to break up their pot party.

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~cceolla/cops.jpeg

Seriously, I think after DanSTC flooded this with so much stuff we should all quit. You know he will outtalk you no matter what you post, and whether you're right or wrong you will be burried under an avalanche of words.

[catterpillar]

sounds like someone's scared of losing the debate... rationality always wins out in the end! irrational judgement of things you know too little about loses out. of course some people have every reason to hate drugs... apparantly most of them are from holland...

[AnarchyAo2]

This one scares me the most...Is it a man or woman?! :eek:
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v48/AnarchyAo2/CLAPPING.jpg

[amphex]

whoa DanSTC you wrote like somewhere around 16000 characters in this one thread!

cant we all just agree that weed sucks so DanSTC doesnt have to write anymore?


(not insulting...just find it humorous DanSTC :))

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by dfacto

Seriously, I think after DanSTC flooded this with so much stuff we should all quit. You know he will outtalk you no matter what you post, and whether you're right or wrong you will be burried under an avalanche of words.

Ridiculous.

Even if people don't catch up to me for sheer volume of wording, they can still dispute me on points and principles. After all, sometimes a good point can be better than any number of words about a bad or fallacious point. Also, if I am in fact incorrect about something, I quite frankly want to hear it from someone so I won't make the same mistake again.

Originally posted by AnarchyAo2
This one scares me the most...Is it a man or woman?! :eek:
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v48/AnarchyAo2/CLAPPING.jpg

I. DON'T. KNOW. :(

[Devilock138]

Ethical issues aside, I would definately let the law go after real criminals. I'm for decriminalization. I *am* however against it being marketed either privately or commercially. This is pretty much it: If you want it, grow it. And that should be the extent of law for it.

[AnarchyAo2]

yeah, you can't stop people from growing it. Hell, farmers where I live grow it in their corn fields so that helicoppers can't spot it.

[Jianna]

i am completely not cool with drugs in anyway shape or form. Even someone walking around with a beer makes me jittery. I don't know why though, it's not like i had any traumatic experiences or anything that i know of. I just feel it's completely unneccesary for personal fun or relaxation. There are ways to relax without inhaling anything, they just take more concentration and self control, which i think is a more effective mode of relaxation anyway. but maybe that's just because i do yoga.

[STiCKy]

fuck yoga!







sorry that was my beer belly talkin

[catterpillar]

well I'm going detox now (too many parties) so I'll have to withdraw from the argument. I'm not sure who's side I'm on anyway... :confused:

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by Jianna
i am completely not cool with drugs in anyway shape or form. Even someone walking around with a beer makes me jittery. I don't know why though, it's not like i had any traumatic experiences or anything that i know of. I just feel it's completely unneccesary for personal fun or relaxation.

There are ways to relax without inhaling anything, they just take more concentration and self control, which i think is a more effective mode of relaxation anyway.

That's totally okay for you to feel that way, so long as you don't try to dictate how others can and cannot choose to affect their bodies. For example, there are healthier things to eat besides junkfood, but unless you had some sort of impending medical problems, you probably wouldn't want someone dictating to you what food you can and cannot put into your body, right?

That said, some people choose to help themselves relax by smoking a joint or sipping a drink...

but maybe that's just because i do yoga.

...meanwhile, others choose to relax by emptying their wallets and minds into bullshit placebo-effect chakra-spiritualistic quasi-cultist flim-flam "alternative therapy" snake-oil schlock.

Of course, if you're just using Yoga stuff to relax, that's perfectly fine. (In fact, some Yoga stuff is pretty decent as a form of light, relaxing exercise.) Just avoid buying into the pseudoscience crap that rambles about chakras and mystical this and that, of course. For the same reason pro-drug guys like me avoid the idiots who claim pot "expands your mind" or whatever.

[Monkeyburger]

I see a lot of crap being thrown about on both sides of this argument. I think the original post is quite stupid to be honest, thinking that drawing when stoned gives you creativity.

I've smoked throughout my entire academic career (Physics degree at York) and 2 years after graduating. And while I do find I occasionally have motivational problems my life has been in no way flushed down the pan. I've got a damn good degree and I take pride in my life, going back to uni at the glasgow school of art next year to study 3d animation.

On the other hand you while pot can stimulate your imagination whatever you draw when high is almost always CRAP. Take inspiration from the brief fleeting moments of creativity that you can remember from your psychedelic expiriences, NEVER rely on it to make you a good artist. I agree that is REALLY insulting and makes you look like a jerk.

[dfacto]

...meanwhile, others choose to relax by emptying their wallets and minds into bullshit placebo-effect chakra-spiritualistic quasi-cultist flim-flam "alternative therapy" snake-oil schlock.

Man, DanSTC you tried to salvage this statement a paragraph later, but I have to say this doesn't come off to well either way. Yoga is basically breathing excercises and stretches. Breathing excercises are good for you, but stretching is DEFINITELY good for you. True there are idiots who go into some weird mystical crap, but either way I doubt it empties your wallet as much as a drug habit, not to mention that you don't get those oh-so-pleasant side-effects like dead brain cells and lung cancer (with some drugs anyway). And if you are paying more for Yoga than you would for drugs, which most people don't (hell you can do it by yourself, you don't need a class), then you are probably:

a)gullible
b)rich
c)a total yuppy living in an expensive area.

And either way I don't care. But don't in any way think that drugs are better for you than yoga. (except that they work faster and you don't have to move your lazy ass):p

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by dfacto


Yoga is basically breathing excercises and stretches. Breathing excercises are good for you, but stretching is DEFINITELY good for you.

Okay, good. As long as you're just doing that and not going for the pseudoscientific spiritual junk, I don't have much of a problem. That was the point I was trying to make. :)

[dfacto]

Yeah, all that pseudoscientific spiritual crap is, well...crap.

[Jan]

I agree with DanSTC that drugs must be decriminalised.There is no use in punishing people because they have pain(in context with hard drugs).And it makes no sense that cannabis is illegal.In germany the law about health/medical is changed now,so poor people,specially addicts,could hardly afford medication,so the'll have to steal if they don't want to have pain.
What is the use in it?
To make hard laws about soft drugs(in context with cannabis) gives a arbitrariness-tool.The percentage of beeing punished for this substance,that isn't very dangerous and widely used,depents on skin colour(in U.S.).It's used to discriminate people,so it supports a caste-based society.In a democracy there is no need for such laws.

[daHIPPIE]

Originally posted by Exo
I don't do drugs becuase hippies do drugs, and hippies suck.


hmmm......nope I don't do drugs, never have. except cigs and beer.:chug:

[Octave13]

DAN, I agree with everything you've said about decriminalization, but to dismiss spirituality as "junk" is somewhat hypocritical on your part, seeing as how you're accusing others of being the same way, regarding their views on pot.
Maybe "bullshit placebo-effect chakra-spiritualistic quasi-cultist flim-flam 'alternative therapy' snake-oil schlock" is how some people choose to relax. :p

[jermainevl]

Stop making dumb threads, DanielAndTheLionsPen!....Or should i say...Mr. Teatime, a.k.a. die_with_honor_ a.k.a. People_are_stupid !
:p ;)

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by Octave13
but to dismiss spirituality as "junk" is somewhat hypocritical on your part,

How so? Periodically in this thread, I've put down pothead types who think pot "expands your mind" "makes your more creative" etc.

Also, yes. I generally dismiss spirituality stuff as being junk, because it's rarely ever based in reasoning or critical thought...especially since "spirituality" is often quite literally nothing more than an overactive imagination without bothering to think.
I personally think that people shutting down or suppressing their ability to think critically is far scarier than blind acceptance in the name of spirituality.
For example, believing the world is balanced on the back of a giant turtle so you don't have to think about how big & scary the universe is actually a much more disturbing prospect to me than attempting to understand the world around you based on the knowledge you have, rather than just making shit up.

That said, I don't think people should be stopped from being spiritual, just that spirituality-based stuff needs to be critically examined regardless of how sacred anyone considers it.

That, and I also don't particularly care for charlatans exploiting/abusing people's taste for "spirituality" for an easy buck, or to advance some sort of personal/political agenda, or to enforce a mind-control cult mentality among the dupes who fall for it often cutting themselves off from non-believers.

But when it comes right down to it, if no one's getting hurt or ripped off by it, it's not that big a deal.

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by jermainevl
Stop making dumb threads, DanielAndTheLionsPen!....Or should i say...Mr. Teatime, a.k.a. die_with_honor_ a.k.a. People_are_stupid !
:p ;)

ahahahahahahaha

Oh, so this travesty was his doing as well, huh? Figures.

[celeste]

I like it when I want inspiration or when I want my mind to wander, to get new ideas.... but sometimes I can't paint in a straight line or mix my colors right....

Celeste

[Jan]

Octave13: Depents on the kind of spirituality.A bullshit-sect could be compared to junk,because it leads to addiction,too.

[wallychairmover]

well i'm late in this one but i think i have enough experience now to throw in my 2 cents:D i was totally clean through highschool by choice, and never even thought about drugs until almost a year into college. ironically enough everyone that didn't know me well thought i was a druggy back then because of my whacky personality and ideas and almost seemed dissapointed that i wasn't. here's some things i've learned through the years i've been on my own now, i'm only 25 btw so take this as you will. these are just observations through my experience so far
1)if you become a pothead in highschool you're almost garunteed to be a fuckup after highschool, your motivation and friendships will be so centered around weed that you will waste much of the important time of growing up getting stoned and laughing at bad jokes
2)relying on weed for making art better is impossible. when you're stoned you lose track of things, you may stare a lot longer while you're working but you're not remembering alot of important things that you maybe are discovering or learning in the process. also it greatly effects your focus on the entire image.
3)personally nowadays, weed is such an unimportant factor in my life, it's like going out for beers. but not as often. my personal rules with the ganj are like this: i never go out of my way to get weed, i'll only smoke it when it's available, never smoke ass(leftover already smoked weed ash)or resin, that just makes you a junkie, personally i only smoke weed when i plan on some hardcore gaming and reading after a big crunch at the studio has ended or it's chillout time with the friends,and finally i never smoke when i'm doing art

that's it,not preaching just sharing what i learned because i care:D

[AnarchyAo2]

Yes, don't do drugs! This is what happens when you don't do drugs!

http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v48/AnarchyAo2/DARE.jpg

[wallychairmover]

daddy??!! daddy is that you?? i resisted drugs and violence like you said!! but not abuse...i have failed you father

[klaivu]

Hmm. I think I mostly second Dans opinions, though not completely.

Talking about the u.s. ( for a change, ha ha. ).

One should take into account the social background and the current political situation when making decisions on matters like this, rather than the effects of the produced law on the part of the the populace that it applies to. The drug issue is more political than not, and as such, should be treated as a political issue.

Since the only significant players in the u.s' political field are the right-wing and the extreme right-wing party, making the call in favor of the 'mild narcotics', legalizing or decriminalizing, would move the decision maker further to the left and isolate him or her politically. If you would actually get a decriminalization law to pass, you would be activating the horde of more conservative voters and practically handing the next election over to your political opponent on the issue.

For example, the 'tough justice' approach to crime is the best possible in the u.s., because it is so widely embraced and generally accepted as the best alternative, not because it is the best alternative.

I'm just saying that since drugs are political, they're all media.

[Jan]

AnarchyAo2:Maybe the cop on the left is addict to sweets.It's not healthy,fat people die earlier.
Why not define it as a drug?Then fat people could be imprisoned,and because eating sweets would be a crime,the world would be a much saver place when all fat people would be imprisoned.

[AnarchyAo2]

jan:
1) I guess you didn't sense the sarcasm.
2) America's economy is run by fat people, theres no way they're going to jail.

[mintyfreshdoom]

I think you're dead on DanSTC, and I for one don't mind reading large amounts of text. I appreciate your views, and I've read a lot that corrolates with them. I just finished a book called Pills-a-go-go about drug/prescription drug culture. Really fascinating.
I don't have any problems wih drugs or the people who do them. My friends are a bunch of intelligent, creative, capable people and their tastes run from caffiene to weed to harder things, and because they're responsible about it none of it runs their lives. Except for nicotine, heh, the whole world stops for cigarette breaks it seems. I do distance myself from people who do things that I'm not comfortable with, particularly heroin and pcp. ugh. I do know people who have let drugs consume their lives, but I maintain that this has to do with the individual, not the substance they're ingesting.
I like some drugs, I find anything that alters perspective interesting and to me it's worth the risks associated with experimenting with them. Just like I accept the risks of things like skydiving, but I still want to (if I ever have enough money) do it, or even just driving (how do you know some jerk on the road isn't weaving his way home from a bar?). It all seems to me to be a matter of personal responsibility. Own your choices and your actions, it's really the only thing you can do.

And I hate weed. It makes me paranoid and sleepy and I don't get anything done. So I don't smoke. I love caffiene, I love too much caffiene, but if I get all twitchy I can't draw, and I choose my art over a day of being bouncy, so it's only one bottle of Jolt a day for me. :)

[DanSTC]

Whoah! Dig this, you crazy cats; Jesse "The Body" Ventura is a pro-marijuana-legalization anti-prohibitionist!

Check it out here: http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2365.html

Not only THAT, but he admits to trying marijuana on national television! Furthermore, he's very well-spoken about it, and very intelligent about it. Wow! :)


Respect for Jesse Ventura+++

[DanSTC]

On another note, I'm really sick of that "freevibe" site and the various ads I see on various gaming sites that make it look like it's some pot-advocating site with "real facts" on marijuana.

It's teen-targeted stuff for the most part. The site itself is basically a rehash of the same old prohibitionist arguments, several of which I've debunked in this very thread. But they also go the next step and attempt to appeal to the teen's developing sense of reasoning by saying that he has to "think" and "use their brain" warning that everyone out there is out to influence how you think, act, feel.


...The nerve.

Where the HELL do they get off telling people how to think critically, especially when they're at least as dishonest about teaching critical thinking skills as they are in their anti-drug "facts"?

Allow me to elaborate: By actually exercising my own crticial thinking skills, I've determined that the most manipulative bastards out there are those that warn you that everyone is out to brainwash you while gently scrubbing your own frontal lobes.

They're painfully easy to spot if you know what to look for, too. Basically, their message boils down to the old routine of "yeah, THOSE guys are really bad...but weeee'rrreee noooot liiiike thaaaat....weeee waaant yooou toooo thiiiink....truuuussst uuuuussss." By scaring people with vague postulations about how everyone is out to manipulate them, they effectively secure the gullible person's trust, since once told that everyone is out to get them, the only person they can really run to is the one who told them that.

This is, of course, exactly the sort of routine that cults use to ensnare unwitting members; the person merely THINKS they're making a reasonable decision in the given situation, when really, they're not, and are subject to the exact sort of manipulation that their supposed savior is warning them about.
After all, the trick to a good brainwashing is getting the victim to not realize that he or she is being brainwashed.

Often they may even say "hey, go ahead and even question us" but that's really a gamble for them, since the last thing they want is for the person they're manipulating to realize that they're actually being manipulated...fortunately for them, people who've been sufficiently worked up and frightened typically run straight into their arms wearing blinders on their eyes.


Yeah sure, use your brain, kids. Although if you really WERE using your brains, you'd see right through our shallow attempt to buy your trust with cheap pandering and vague scares.

Heck, you might even start searching for information on the history of drug prohibition, as well as the actual medical data regarding various marijuana studies that seems to contradict the statements being made on the freevibe site. You might find out for yourself just how flawed, sloppy, or misrepresented the "scientific facts" on the freevibe site are. Heck, you might even put the pieces of the puzzle together and figure out that we're nothing more than propaganda no better than the "reefer madness" scares of days of old, only much more deceptive and manipulative. Going even further, you might even find out that a lot of powerful, wealthy people stand to lose out if the drug war were ended and prohibition were lifted, and not just the traffickers, but the government officials who enforce and proselytize the prohibition laws.

But we wouldn't want that...

[endregan]

issues..

[DanSTC]

Originally posted by endregan
issues..

Damn straight.

[gandalf]

i'm not going to keep up with this thread, but i'd like to input my thoughts for the sake of the outnumbered...

this thread got out of hand. the guy likes to smoke a little pot; so what? i smoke a lot of pot. it's not BECAUSE i like art, it's because i like getting high. stereotypes are b.s. and it's really as simple as whether or not someone chooses to smoke cigarettes. if you've even the smallest amount of intellect, pot won't send your life into a downward spiral...


smoke on bro... i would just refrain from pointless arguements in the future, that's all.