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kendubrowski
January 29th, 2004, 06:59 PM
On Sunday, January 25, the New York Times Magazine published an article
entitled: The Tyranny of Copyright? by Robert S. Boynton: "A number of
influential lawyers, scholars and activists are increasingly concerned that
copyright law is curbing our freedoms and making it harder to create
anything new. This could be the first new social movement of the century."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/25/magazine/25COPYRIGHT.html

To summarize the issue, certain lawyers and legal scholars (The "Copy Left")
are trying to eliminate copyright as their gift (of our work) to the public.
We've addressed this issue before: See the IPA website: Topics/The Business
of Illusration: "Mothra Versus Rodan" http://www.illustratorspartnership.org/01_topics/article.php?searchterm=00100

Thursday, the IPA and ASMP (American Society of Media Photographers) sent the following letter to the
editor:


January 29, 2004

Editor
New York Times Magazine
229 West 43rd Street
New York, N.Y, 10036



To the Editor:

"The Tyranny of Copyright?" (Jan 25, 2004) suggests that "culture" is a
public "entitlement" endangered by copyright extensions, and it portrays
legal scholars and trial lawyers as visionaries who hope to restore the
"Jeffersonian" ideal of a "free society" by rolling back or ending the
protections now afforded creative work. But the case against copyrights is
academic. Creative work is produced by real people working in the real
world. Readers of this article should not confuse the length of copyright
enjoyed by corporations with the copyright protection granted to freelance
creators.

Corporations don't create. Individuals do. The longer a corporation can
extend copyrights produced by employees or obtained from freelancers, the
longer it will thrive and try to keep that work out of the public domain.
Here the lawyers may have a point. But freelance creators face a different
situation. We speak for many of them.

Most freelancers have no other source of income but their creative work.
The accumulated value of that work is no different than the value that
accrues to your home, and it no more robs the public of its "entitlement"
than does the ordinary ownership of private property. Indeed without the
incentives guaranteed to individual creators under copyright law, the
tradition of independence in the popular arts would be at risk - and with
it, the variety of independent viewpoints that freelancers bring to public
life. That would rob the public in a noticeable way.

For decades, freelance artists and photographers have given shape to the
content of popular culture. Within the last two decades their ability to
earn a living has come under assault: from publishers who demand they
surrender copyrights in return for assignments; from cutthroat competition
with discount "image providers," and now from legal "visionaries" who wish
to make copyright itself obsolete.

The case for abolishing copyright can be likened to a scheme for the
redistribution of income. In theory it sounds public-spirited. In reality
it deadens motivation. Protecting a creator's individual copyrights will
cost the public nothing, but it will insure the continued flow of creative
work from which the public will ultimately benefit.

Sincerely,

Brad Holland
Founding Board Member
The Illustrators' Partnership of America

Eugene H. Mopsik
Executive Director
American Society of Media Photographers

lavhoes
January 29th, 2004, 07:15 PM
Copyrights? Good.

Copyrights lasting well up to a century past the death of the author? Bad.

Copyrights right now are horribly convulted, to the point where a lot of property is held well past when it's supposed to be a part of the public domain.

We wouldn't read Shakespeare in school if it was owned by somebody.

tyboogie
January 29th, 2004, 10:44 PM
""""Unlike mortals, corporate media giants can "live" as long as they remain solvent and have assets to manage. The longer they can extend the copyrights they hold, the longer they can guarantee the company will thrive. Companies like Disney know they can exploit stories from the public domain indefinitely, as long as they can hire wage slaves (including artists) under work-for-hire contracts to convert those free properties to long-term Disney copyrights""""

i remember hearing recently about the copyright battle to prolong the life of mickey from public domain--but i didnt know it had anything to do with possibly coming onto teh same time line as INternational copyright timelines. hmmmmm

i thought the 70 years plus a persons lifetime made a good amount of sense though

hard to see..the dark side is...

tyboogie
January 29th, 2004, 10:45 PM
nice informative post BTW kendubrowski

Elwell
January 29th, 2004, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by lavhoes

We wouldn't read Shakespeare in school if it was owned by somebody.

Yeah, damn that copyright! It's really kept schools from using To Kill a Mockingbird, Catcher in the Rye, Death of a Salesman, Lord of the Flies, 1984, the Glass Menagerie, Fahrenheit 451...

catterpillar
January 31st, 2004, 05:35 AM
well it must be different over here - we've used all sorts of modernish novels in school - the grapes of wrath, holes, one flew over the cucoo's nest etc etc

kendubrowski
January 31st, 2004, 07:54 AM
Yes that was a bad analogy but not unexpected.
Not everyone sees this for what it is.
The value that accrues to my work is no different than the
value that accrues to my house. Or yours. When you die, would you like
your house to be claimed by the state as a gift to the public?
Meanwhile I hope my kids can someday read Harry Potter when it is out in the public
past all these sticky copyright restrictions that prevent it from being read.

catterpillar
January 31st, 2004, 06:10 PM
yeah they should certainly not abolish copyright completely, but they should definately not let those corporate scum keep it for a thousand years... :evilbat:

lavhoes
January 31st, 2004, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by Elwell


Yeah, damn that copyright! It's really kept schools from using To Kill a Mockingbird, Catcher in the Rye, Death of a Salesman, Lord of the Flies, 1984, the Glass Menagerie, Fahrenheit 451...

We all went over those novels, what, maybe once, twice through our school careers?

I can't recall a year I haven't had to read a Shakespeare play.

My point is that the ideas present in his works, either in the works themselves or in other areas, such as history, wouldn't be so widely available if a company still held the copyright. Copyright is a wonderful concept, but they're really pushing it with how long it lasts.

I'm going to echo cattepillar here and say that abolishing copyrights is just about the worst thing you can do, only second to extending copyrights indefinitely.

DanSTC
January 31st, 2004, 07:26 PM
I just learned recently that the band DEVO got swindled back in 1978 via some draconian copyright shit, which fucked them over completely financially so that they effectively never saw a dime for their work. (Which went a long way to undermine their creative efforts, more or less.) Even to this day they only own half the rights to their songs, and have to record "new" versions of their old songs if they want to use them in television commercials.
Worse yet, countless hours of their live shows that would have otherwise been released on tape were destroyed in similar copyright snafus, which is a shame since DEVO were huge pioneers in stage show performance art...essentially a massive chunk of highly influential music history was forever lost thanks to pinheaded suits and copyright bullshit.

There's also some other stuff I became aware of just a few years ago regarding Sunny Bono's political career when he in a joint effort between Disney and the "church" of $cientology went about putting in place motherfucking draconian copyright laws to keep their shit from passing into public domain. The "church" of $cientology benefits from this because they can charge ridiculous fees for their phony "treatment" methods since no one else can legally disclose them and exclusively sell L. Ron Hubbard's dreck (and of course, being able to better sue the pants off people who spread information and criticism about the actual workings of the business cult of $cientology) while Disney gets to extend their ownership of all the movies (animated or otherwise) that should by all means have passed into public domain.