Rhys's ......And Sketchbook For All *Go to page 2 for new stuff!*

[Rhysmancometh]

Hi everyone,

page 2 for new stuff peoples!

After spending a year studying its time to start this sketchbook for real. Cleaned out all the old stuff too, so its gonna be new stuff here on out.
Some pages compiled into one for the page.

Rhys out

[jeremygordon89]

I would recommend the books: Successful Drawing by Loomis, Dynamic Figure Drawing by Hogarth, and Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing from Life for starters. Also, you should do some still life drawings, figure drawings, sketch from life, from imagination, etc. Draw every day for as many hours as you can manage. I think that you would be better off working with traditional media until you have a solid foundation; I think it will make it easier to learn (but you could still do digital in addition). Also, on youtube and deviantart you will find many great drawing tutorials. Keep practicing and I can't wait to see your progression. Hope that helped : ]

[Rhysmancometh]

Cheers man! I gotta get my hands on those books for sure. I do draw on traditional media, i try to everyday on the way to my uni course, and at home. I'll try and scan in some doodles i've done in pencil

[GoGoJojo]

Some thing that might be good for doodling during a non-class (I can't get through one without doing it) might be a spiral bound sketchbook. that way you have higher quality paper, and the teacher would be less likely to notice it then a hard-bound sketchbook, at least as long as it's not one of those ones that have "SKETCHBOOK!!!" written across the covers. Good luck!

[Rhysmancometh]

Hi all, just did this skull before took me about an hour
really happy with it, been practicing a lot
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[Rhysmancometh]

Just some front, side and back views of cylinder and mannikin men from Loomis book

[nauvice]

you did a great job on the mannequin, for the front, the torso is a bit big, thas all.

For the figure, the front part, I fixed the shoulders because you should try to avoid using simple curves, its okay if you do that for the mannequin or an actual cylinder boy. But for the figure, I want you to start thinking about what Loomis refers to as "landmarks" (surface characters); they keep your figure looking more defined (pg 50 on the book)

For the side part, the shoulder was not high enough, which also made his back seem flat. You drew a 'shoulder' measurement line on the cylinder chart to remind you where the shoulder should end up, but you didnt for the Figure. You dont have to guess things just yet, keep those measure lines up so they can guide you. You'll need them less and less as you progress.

Also, you realized the curve the legs make when standing up with the Mannequin, but missed it with the Figure. When you're looking at a figure, be at from real life, a picture, or another drawing, I want you to look at the form it makes, not at the figure itself. That's why I asked you to draw the mannequin first, so you can get a feel of the proportions and forms of the body.

overall though, they look great :)

[Rhysmancometh]

just some more updates, some mannikin love
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Just re-did this side view of the male figure. Paid more attention to where the chest and calves extend too and a higher shoulder fix.
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Female mannikin and figures

[Rhysmancometh]

just some figure sketches doing at the moment
quick update

[Rhysmancometh]

just an update
real quickie

[Rhysmancometh]

just some more figures and such

[nauvice]

the figures and that wolverine look great!

[Rhysmancometh]

cheers dude, was heaps happy with that wolverine.

finished all the figures now
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startin assignment #3

[Serpian]

woah woah woah stop it. Just stop for a while. Take a step back and look at this thread. You have what, 70 Loomis figures here, and they all look sloppy and rushed and badly out of proportion. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you're serious about this, you need to slow waay down.

Draw one more loomis figure, and I mean ONE. Take your time. Spend a few hours on it, maybe a whole work day. Yes, I'm serious. Make ONE mark at a time, and after every mark, every single one, check your source to make sure it's right. Exactly right. And after you've made sure that one mark is right, and has moved on to other areas, go back to that mark again, to make sure it's right again, because it will probably not be any more, in relation to the other marks you've put down after it.You can't stop, you can't start on another figure until this one looks EXACTLY like what you see in the book. Put your drawing side by side with the source material so that you can look at them both simultaneously. Look from one to the other. Look. Look. Do you notice any differences? Is your head smaller in relation to the body than Loomis's? Do the legs slant in the wrong angle? Are the arms too long in relation to their width? What about the length of the arm in relation to the whole body? How about the length of the arm in relation to just the leg? Make sure that by the end you're finished, your drawing looks so much like the source material that you have difficulty telling which is which.


Now, before you freak out, let me just tell you this: You are NOT supposed to draw this way all your life. Copying drawings like this is just one of many good exercises you can do. But the way you are doing these Loomis exercises right now, honestly isn't helping you much. The reason for studying orthographic images like this is not because if you remember the amount of heads in a body you will be able to draw a convincing figure. You will not. The purpose is for you to start remembering the proportions by feel rather than by measuring. And you can't start remembering anything useful unless you really LOOK and THINK about what you're doing.


Another important thing to understand is that just doing these flat front and side view images isn't very close to the way you'll want to draw figures in your own work. I can guarantee you that you will almost never draw a figure flat from the side, without perspective, in a totally completely passive pose. The absolutely best thing to do to learn how to draw REAL people, is find a good life drawing class. Life drawing is THE key to getting good at drawing people. If you can't find one near you, draw your friends, or yourself in the mirror. I sometimes draw good figures from paintings of my favourite artists, and I think this is a good exercise (especially if you're working from an academic 19th century painter, they were very precise about anatomy), but beware of doing this too much, or you will just end up copying one artists' design decisions and not get a proper understanding of the human figure.

In the end, there are a few really important things to keep in mind for a successful figure drawing: weight, gesture, big masses (hip, chest, legs etc. Start with really bug shapes, and move down to smaller ones once you've made sure the big ones are just right).

If all this feels overwhelming, you have to remember the MOST IMPORTANT thing is always: HAVE FUN! :)

[nauvice]

Serpian, relax, you're contradicting yourself

you can't start on another figure until this one looks EXACTLY like what you see in the book.

but beware of doing this too much, or you will just end up copying one artists' design decisions and not get a proper understanding of the human figure.

The point of Loomis' figure is Not to COPY the figure exactly the way he does it. Your critique makes perfect sense, but it would only apply if Rhysemancometh was doing a master study, a replica of Loomis's style. He is not, he is learning body proportions, and so far all of his figures are proportional. The heads and hands are wonky, because that is not his main focus yet.

The reason for studying orthographic images like this is not because if you remember the amount of heads in a body you will be able to draw a convincing figure. You will not.

You're right, that is not the reason. And that is not His reason either. The point of the 8 figure exercises is to learn measurable basics on drawing a figure proportionally. Eventually the artist will grow out of using measurements, and will be able to draw a convincing figure from the mind as if it were second nature. Think of it like someone learning how to ride a bike and before needed to use training wheels.

If the point of drawing is for fun, you are sucking the fun out of it by telling him he has to copy every single pencil mark Loomis makes in order for his studies to be "good". No, as long as his figure's body is proportionate just like Loomis teaches, then he is doing it the correct way, his drawings don't have to be an exact replica.

So again, great critique, but it only applies to learning Realism, Rhysemancometh is learning construction.

[Rhysmancometh]

@SerpianCheers for the critique dude, not taken in a harsh way at all. Its good to get a different opinion on what I'm doing and how differently I can approach drawing. I think when I'm a bit better at drawing though,I will go back and copy exactly what I see in Loomis's books and study it more carefully so that my drawing like you said is flawless and doesn't have any difference to the original. But at the moment I just want to become confident in drawing the body in proportion in terms of heads and measurements before being able to draw it by feel. Like zwarrior said construction.
Thanks anyway though, I'll take what you've said into consideration in the future!

@Zwarrior Cheers dude, stickin up for the little guy haha

Thanks to both of you though!

[Rhysmancometh]

update of some 360 views of the body!
Have been meant to update a lot sooner, but busy. Scanner is acting up so I've had to take photo's of these drawings and splice them together with photoshop, so the pictures are a bit dark and dodgey haha.
Tried to draw the angled views with only refrencing from front, side and back views, tough!
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[Rhysmancometh]

Just a quick update here.
A few life sketches and doodles

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Drew the tiger, then tried to cartoon it up.....tried haha

[Rhysmancometh]

another update, just some stuff on joints and keeping the body in proportion when bending.....threw in a litttle deadpool too

[Rhysmancometh]

another update, just some angled stuff with joints(ie moving arms and legs)
I just realised after uploading that the sitting man has some problems........his right arm is totally buff and the left is normal, rookie mistake

[Rhysmancometh]

just a single update here, just some life drawings

[Rhysmancometh]

another update, some more life drawings

[Rhysmancometh]

been hella busy this week working, only had time to do this little number.
Had to darken the pic in photoshop slightly, for some reason my scanner lightens the image heaps when scanning....

[Rhysmancometh]

another update, just more shadows

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Another update more shadow stuff

[Rhysmancometh]

Another update of final shadow stuff. This is just a few studies and refrence sheets from my assignments.
Enjoy!

[Novbert]

hey, you did all those mannikin studies, then all your figure studies but imho you totally missed the muscles. Drawing a figure is not just about painting random blobs around a mannikin. you should learn some stuff about the muscle system too (loomis has some basic drawings on it, but maybe not the best material - Bammes is much better). Also I second that opinion that drawing straight standing figures leads to nowhere. you should study posed figures - even if you don't know the whole human anatomy backwards. At least you can learn more from it than from drawing the same stiff figure over and over till your nose bleed. Posemaniacs.com is a great start.
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[hunter_info]

like your studies ..
your experience is good for someone who start a year ago ..

you should make some huge blueprints .. you know helping 3D artists :p .. or making some money !! :carnifex:

seriously dude, you're doing good ...

[Rhysmancometh]

@Novbert Completely agree dude, I haven't drawn the muscles or posed mannikins. But all for a reason. These are my assignments I'm getting from online mentoring here on CA. We started off by just getting an understanding of the figure in terms of proportions and landscapes to indentify on the body when drawing. Just recently we did a quick portion on shadowing, we are now doing the body in full detail, starting at the bones and working out.
I checked you more recent pages of you sketchbook man, cool stuff. I like your photo studies in colour!

@hunter info Cheers heaps dude!
I've only started getting serious about a year ago, i've drawn here and there growing up though.
I checked out you sketchbook dude, some good stuff in there!
Just keep drawing man!

[GearldsGrotto]

I'd like to see you step away from the Loomis work and put what you've learned from him so far into practice with your own stuff, just to see the real progress.

[Rhysmancometh]

quick update, one page try and do another soon
Just a few stick poses, a couple shots i drew from some noir refrences (not heaps detailed) and the Aquabot, a little mobile aquarium i thought was kinda cool idea

[Rhysmancometh]

a new update of gesture drawing!

been learning how to do gesture drawings lately, here's a peak
pretty happy with how they've all turned out
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[Rhysmancometh]

new update, slowly progressing through gesture theory, some more spherical little dudes.
I think they may have turned out a little too much like outlines though rather than gestures.
anywas enjoy!

[Rhysmancometh]

New update,
some box figures, first set are from refrence second set are imagination

EDIT:
Sorry everyone pics didn't attach on original posting, should be up now!

[andres333]

dude.....bloody amazing!

Hope I can draw like that someday

Believe it or not, It took a bit more than four months to achieve my actual drawing/designing level. As most of beginners I started with Loomis approach but it never worked for me, when i was about to give up I found out about Vilppu's method (even though he says it's not his method) and It's AMAZING :D :D :D so that and a bit of discipline and you'll be drawing better than me in no time. How old are you?

[Rhysmancometh]

Believe it or not, It took a bit more than four months to achieve my actual drawing/designing level. As most of beginners I started with Loomis approach but it never worked for me, when i was about to give up I found out about Vilppu's method (even though he says it's not his method) and It's AMAZING :D :D :D so that and a bit of discipline and you'll be drawing better than me in no time. How old are you?

I'm 19 man, only really started drawing seriously a year ago, but i've drawn most of my life kinda thing. The guy thats tutoring me(zwarrior on these forums) is teaching me from a mix of everything, the best bits from loomis, vilppu etc
I only found out about vilppu recently from him and its been pretty sweet so far!

[Joce]

keep goin bro

[andres333]

oh great to know you've got a study plan

[Rhysmancometh]

just a few sketches of bodys but incorparating circles and squares

[Rhysmancometh]

hey cats another update here, just a few figures draw from refrences kinda like finished little pieces

[Rhysmancometh]

Another update, just some poses from my imagination

[Rhysmancometh]

Update!
Haven't updated for sometime been busy working and what not.
This is a bit of a mixed bag just few scribbles here and there.
If it looks weird its cause i've photoshoped pics into one file so that less room is taken up.
ps. Anyone know some good resources for drawing heads, I've got the loomis books but are there any others worth knowing about?

[Geth]

Nice work, your figure studies are really starting to come together! keep it up.