TOP 20 REPLYS of an artist when someone gives a negative feedback on his work.

[Lateman]

fun fun fun:

20: "I've checked the proportions..."
19: "You just have a wierd sence for colors ..."
18: "It's based on photoref..."
17: "To me it looks right."
16: "It's your monitor!"
15: "f***ing jpg compression ..."
14: "oh ... uploaded the wrong version :S"
13: "haha, i just wanna have checked if you notice that!"
12: "yeah i saw it my self but i was'nt sure"
11: "pfff i know what im doing ..."
10: "My mum saw it ... she said it looks great!"
9: "That's my style dude ..."
8: "It's a quick painting."
7: "Are you sure?"
6: "The client whanted me to get it finished so i had so more time to fix it ..."
5: "You're just jelious!"
4: "Don't know what you mean ..."
3: "Damn i knew there were something wrong!"
2: "This was allready said."

and the number one!:

1: "It's WIP."

edit:

i will come up with a voting when i got some more new "excuses" which should get into the list :) maybe we find some more funny ones.

edit-list:

-"Thanks for your feedback."
-"In real life it looks a way better!"

gimmi more!!! C:

enjoy and sorry for my bad english ^^

[dierat]

#10 is classic XD Oh and one I hear from traditional artists a bit:

"The scan/photograph sucks, it looks fine in real life."

[DavePalumbo]

referring to peer feedback online I'm guessing you mean?

I'm finding the most graceful response unfortunately absent from the list: "thanks for your feedback"

making excuses and starting arguments aren't terribly productive for anyone though. Either the crit has merit and you can benefit from it once your pride has recovered, or the crit is bad and you can just let it drift. eh :shrug:

edit:

"The scan/photograph sucks, it looks fine in real life."

also, this one can have some truth to it as well. Of course, if commercial illustration is your goal, then you should know how to make work that will reproduce well and know how to photograph and present it, though some aspects of a painting just will not come across. Often the most incredible paintings in person just don't have the same impact in a photo due to loss of scale, compressed value, simplified pigment, and lack of texture. Of course, if photographed well it would still look great 9 times out of 10, just not as stunning. But yeah, typically that's just a lame excuse.

[crossmirage]

I hear number 9 too often, especially from beginner cartoon/anime artists and it makes me so embarrassed to be one of them. :(

[Lateman]

yeah cool new ideas! i will update the list later if i get more funnys replys.

@ davepalumbo: yeah youre totaly right but i just whant to make a bit fun of this guys ... even cant say that ive never used on of them ;) your reply should realy get into the top :)

more guys!

[Krato]

so if palumbo doesn't like your advice expect a "thanks for your feedback" :P

[nauvice]

I think you meant negative feedback instead of bad feedback? great list though, I sometimes say number 3... my excuse is sometimes I do think there's something wrong but I cant put it into words, so its great when someone critics it and explains my mistake for me.

ALSO, I think you should add "put your art where your mouth is" or something similar to that.... I've seen a couple people denounce a critic because they didnt think the person giving it had 'amazing' art themselves.

[Bill]

Of course, if commercial illustration is your goal, then you should know how to make work that will reproduce well...

Maxfeild Parrish comes to mind on that one.

[Krato]

lol @ "its a quick painting"

[Lateman]

got new ones!

"I'll keep that in mind."

"Usually i don't paint stuff like that ..."

"Nitpicker ..."

"No, his head is'nt too big ... he's just wearing his tie a bit too close!"

: )))

cheers

[TASmith]

You forgot the worst one, "Who are you to judge? I've seen your work and it sux, so you don't know what you're talking about! You just get off on putting everyone down!!!"

[Kaileighblue]

I get the jealous one so many times it's ridiculous. Not here of course. I stupidly like to give crits to people on another site that has a similar forum to the Sketchbook forum here.

My latest reply. "thanks there, mister dickweed. Maybe if you knew anything you'd keep your yap shut."

I guess that isn't common. (I hope.)

Although my favorite has to be this. Backstory, He posted a very badly done image of a person walking on a road in animu style. I suggested he get some anatomy books and study perspective.

"I don't think you two get what I want to do. I don't want to draw people the way they are exactly. If so, that would be boring."

Which basically amounts to #9.

I think the biggest one I get is something to the nature of "It's just a hobby." Or "I draw for myself." Which isn't obviously isn't if they feel the need to post it for validation on the internet. They want people to tell them it's good and retreat into their hugbox if anything other than "OMG UR SO GOOD" is offered.

And to the worst ones. "I don't trace." When referring to something that was obviously eyeballed off of someone else's work. You may not have laid a piece of paper over it but you darn well copied it.

[Mock]

"The snake part is NOT lumpy!!!!"

[Jacob Kobryn]

I hear "It's just my style..." way too often...

It's weird because I myself got really used to honest and helpful criticism through CA but sometimes I'll give criticism to someone in my art class or something and they'll be really offended... I don't know when they'll get used to it, college I guess...

I also don't understand why people fear teachers giving criticism and such. All of my favorite teachers are those who are best at giving constructive feedback because that's basically how I learn.

[Elwell]

"The snake part is NOT lumpy!!!!"

Mock FTW

[Muz]

I don't know when they'll get used to it, college I guess...

I've got a week left of college... they still don't accept criticism :).

[Line]

DavePalumbo: I was wondering if you could point to a source where we could learn some
things about how to make art reproduce better, or what looks better in print etc. I am
sure that this comes with experience but maybe there's a resource we could check to
get some ideas. This interests me alot because, generally, I am not so happy with the
way some of my work looks when reproduced, regardless if the work is good or not.
Any help?

[Scribble King]

I've got a week left of college... they still don't accept criticism :).

Hahaha, I had a life drawing professor in college who would walk around class with a huge piece of black charcoal and mark a big X through your drawing if your proportions were off. Then he'd flip to the next page in your tablet and show you what you did wrong. I thought it was great, but a lot of people didn't, so I guess they weren't there to really learn anything. :nohope:

[cdejong]

I hear "It's just my style..." way too often...

It's weird because I myself got really used to honest and helpful criticism through CA but sometimes I'll give criticism to someone in my art class or something and they'll be really offended... I don't know when they'll get used to it, college I guess...

I also don't understand why people fear teachers giving criticism and such. All of my favorite teachers are those who are best at giving constructive feedback because that's basically how I learn.

I get that too in my high school class. Everyone thinks I'm a real dick because I critique everyone's work, and they think I'm just trying to be mean to everyone else or something? So then they all want to critique my work so they can get back at me... let me tell you, works for me! :P I love critiques.

[TASmith]

"I was wondering if you could point to a source where we could learn some
things about how to make art reproduce better, or what looks better in print etc. I am
sure that this comes with experience but maybe there's a resource we could check to
get some ideas. This interests me alot because, generally, I am not so happy with the
way some of my work looks when reproduced, regardless if the work is good or not."

I take digital photos of all my work, and I don't like the results. Just yesterday I played with the white balance on my camera. I'm curious what the best way to adjust it is? Should you do it just once, or should you readjust it everytime you take some photos, for different times of day, inside/outside, etc. Consider this an extension of the original question.

And Mock, please link to the inside joke. Thnx!

[ChristmasBunneh]

Not exactly a reply in the traditional sense but I've had a few occasions where the person whose art I critiqued has sent their friends on me to bash me on my page a'La "Who do you think you are. I saw your pictures 1, 2 and 7 and it's clear you know nothing of her style so why don't you keep it all to yourself and emo in your corner. Get a life."

[Pezz]

And Mock, please link to the inside joke. Thnx!

If I'm not mixing up my Epic CA.org moments, just go to Encyclopedia Dramatica and type in "Snapesnogger"

EDIT: My 666th post involved "Snapesnogger". Oh lord.

[TASmith]

Wow... Pezzle, if that's the person, okay, but remind me never to read ED again. I don't know anything about snapesnogger, but I like whoever wrote that article even less. It's not just the juvenile attitude, but all the new internet slang... yuk.

[Pezz]

Wow... Pezzle, if that's the person, okay, but remind me never to read ED again. I don't know anything about snapesnogger, but I like whoever wrote that article even less. It's not just the juvenile attitude, but all the new internet slang... yuk.

Yeah ED is a doozy, but to be taken in jest. I think you can still find Snapesnogger's posts here on Ca.org if you search by username.

[aefx]

I take digital photos of all my work, and I don't like the results. Just yesterday I played with the white balance on my camera. I'm curious what the best way to adjust it is? Should you do it just once, or should you readjust it everytime you take some photos, for different times of day, inside/outside, etc. Consider this an extension of the original question.

And Mock, please link to the inside joke. Thnx!It's for each setup. You need to adjust the white balance in order to take account of the colour influence of the lighting. Typically, you have a pure white object that you shoot with the current lighting setup and adjust the white balance so that it is pure white and not some form of yellow or blue...

[DavePalumbo]

DavePalumbo: I was wondering if you could point to a source where we could learn some
things about how to make art reproduce better, or what looks better in print etc. I am
sure that this comes with experience but maybe there's a resource we could check to
get some ideas. This interests me alot because, generally, I am not so happy with the
way some of my work looks when reproduced, regardless if the work is good or not.
Any help?

There are so many ways to make a painting, I don't know what to say about optimizing for reproduction other than the things that I've learned about my own work. I'll tell you what I can though. I'll try to keep it brief...

For the painting, I find that the less texture on the surface (be it from the paint application or the surface itself) the easier it will photograph. This is one of the reasons that I almost always work on illustration board, the initial surface is very even and uniform. Also, layers of glazed paint definitely don't translate the same for me once photographed. I mean, they should look ok, but they don't have the same glow. I always try and give my painting a layer of retouch varnish before photographing it because it brings the life back to the darks and punches up the color. Perhaps more important than that, it makes the entire surface uniform so that you don't have some glossy areas and some matte areas which will photograph differently from eachother. having uneven reflectivity on your surface can be overlooked by an inexperienced painter shooting their own work because it's subtle in person but it can really screw up your values in the photograph.

It's important to keep in mind that whatever you do in your painting, it's not going to matter for reproduction if you don't get a decent photo. That means having a reasonably good camera with a high enough resolution and a sharp enough lens to deliver professional results. Lighting is also very important, try to keep it as even as possible. You want bright light raking across from the sides so that it doesn't bounce glare into the camera. You can test shooting a white board to figure out how to get your lighting even, as hot spots and shadows will be very noticeable once you start playing with values in photoshop. I know people also talk about shooting on an overcast day or in the shade on a sunny day. I don't know if I'd do that for turning in a job, but if you don't have good lights it will give you even lighting. If you aren't shooting with strobes (and sometimes even if you are), you'll also want a nice solid tripod to keep your camera from shaking and losing sharpness.

For the best results, you should shoot your work in RAW mode. This gives you much more flexibility in adjusting your values and color, as well as a wider range of color. You'll need a program to translate the RAW file into a TIF, but I think photoshop comes with one built in that's not bad. For white balancing, I have a white strip on the edge of my painting when I shoot it. In the RAW program, I sample that with the white balancing tool and then fine tune it if needed. I also adjust my levels.

Once the image is open in photoshop, I crop to the edges. If I have any lens distortion (such as a corner that is off square) I tweak it with the Transform: Distort

Even the sharpest photo that my camera can deliver is still generally not as sharp as I'd like, so after cleaning up any dust and grit with the spot healing tool, I give it an Unsharp Mask filter adjusted to a level that looks crisp without killing the soft areas.

and at that point I'm ready to send it in. I prefer photographing my work to scanning, though I know a number of people who prefer scanning. That's a whole other process though, and I'm not too experienced with it.

Of course, you never know what will happen once you send out your file. You can just make the image as accurate as possible and hope that the client/publisher/printer doesn't screw it up. If you have time for snail mail you can send along a hard copy print to give a color reference, though I rarely ever do that and 99% of the time the results look right on.

/off topic :P

so if palumbo doesn't like your advice expect a "thanks for your feedback"

haha, well, I do like to reflect on a crit sometimes before deciding if I agree with it. And some of the most helpful crits that I've received were not very comfortable at the time they were given. In any case, I do appreciate when someone takes the time, and I learned years ago to shut my mouth and keep an open mind when somebody was reviewing my work.

[TASmith]

When doing a white balance, do you zoom in so just white is in your viewfinder, or do you need to have different colors around it?

[Helaine]

Why is 'Thanks for your feedback' a bad reply?


0__0

[DavePalumbo]

When doing a white balance, do you zoom in so just white is in your viewfinder, or do you need to have different colors around it?

if shooting RAW and adjusting the white balance in photoshop, I set it to auto-white-balance and then shoot the whole image with an area of white in the margin (but still properly lit)


Helaine, it's not a bad reply in my opinion, it's the best reply for any sort of crit. I didn't mean to imply otherwise

[nauvice]

I have an example for number 8, though its not a painting. A pro comic artist who does Amazzzing work, he's so good at anatomy and making interesting compositions, but one time he posted his commissioned sketches at comicon and one was terrible compared to what he's capable of, and his excuse was "its a quick sketch remember that"

[Uziel]

I had a hangover/headache when doing that part.
The model kept moving.
I lost my ref. halfway.

[Riley Stark]

If I'm not mixing up my Epic CA.org moments, just go to Encyclopedia Dramatica and type in "Snapesnogger"

EDIT: My 666th post involved "Snapesnogger". Oh lord.


.. I actually went and looked this up (because curiosity got the better of me and this happened before my time here on CA) and.. Wow.

.. Just wow.

I mean.. Everyone knows the internet is the place for general asshattery and dumbness, but that was all kinds of EPIC.

:wtf:

[AestheticMachine]

critique kinda goes both ways too, though.. i'm really open to critique but besides the technical stuff (composition, lighting, anatomy etc) they often feel more like suggestions, which is great too - sometimes they work, sometimes not. sometimes i get pulled in two completely different directions, or different instructors/pros have different opinions/suggestions, so it kind of dawned on me after a lot of that.

it also sometimes feels a little rude when someone gives critique when not asked - i dunno. that's kind of a shaky thing for me to say because it personally doesn't bother (i think for most we reach this point and expect others to be the same). i think we assume everyone is in art school and takes art seriously :) many are hobby artists, or pursue art for fun and that is a great thing. they may get overly defensive but live and let live, and move on to someone who actually seeks help imo. though, i think that's a lot harder said than done- it seems inherent, almost compulsive, to want to see others get better regardless of their origins or purpose.

maybe both sides get offended, one for not being able to receive, the other for not being received..

[nauvice]

critique kinda goes both ways too, though.. i'm really open to critique but besides the technical stuff (composition, lighting, anatomy etc) they often feel more like suggestions, which is great too - sometimes they work, sometimes not. sometimes i get pulled in two completely different directions, or different instructors/pros have different opinions/suggestions, so it kind of dawned on me after a lot of that.agreed. Some critics offer how they would tackle something, not to say they are wrong, but there's more than one way of doing something. Like painting for example, some people start by drawing the figure first, others start by blocking in with colors. Someone told me once not to draw first, because its not the proper way to start. :\

it also sometimes feels a little rude when someone gives critique when not asked - i dunno. that's kind of a shaky thing for me to say because it personally doesn't bother (i think for most we reach this point and expect others to be the same). i think we assume everyone is in art school and takes art seriously :) many are hobby artists, or pursue art for fun and that is a great thing. they may get overly defensive but live and let live, and move on to someone who actually seeks help imo. though, i think that's a lot harder said than done- it seems inherent, almost compulsive, to want to see others get better regardless of their origins or purpose.

maybe both sides get offended, one for not being able to receive, the other for not being received..

I disagree with the part about it just being a hobby; you can do something for fun but still take it seriously, and about getting crits when its not asked for... if so, you shouldnt show your work at all, I hate when artists only expect compliments when showing their work. You show your work wanting others' opinions, and getting a crit is a lot better than someone just saying 'I dont like it'

[arttorney]

F*%ck all these assh0!3s!
Alien Jourgenson

Sorry. Several of those responses look fine to me. The Emperor is not wearing any clothes, by the way. Just saying.

P.S. If you (OP) were a native English speaker, I'd be a lot more snarky about your spelling.

[Falchion]

I'm far too relaxed/lazy to get particularly angry about critiques. Hell, most if not all of them are right anyhow. Jes' nod and go back to work...

That being said, yep, I wound up here thanks to that ED article on Snogger.

[Lateman]

oh i had not thought that this one here is going to be such a deep thread xD

[Kaileighblue]

SnapeSnogger isn't old meme yet?

I used to have an ED page. I didn't make it either. Sadly it was deleted because I liked the (negative) attention.

We were having a similar discussion on another page. Someone had made a long in depth critique of a piece. The kind you wish for. The response from the Artist was: "fuck your art school bullshit get the fuck off my page." (Guess where it was!) And this is from a person that claims to have been "drawing seriously for 11 years and hope to make a career out of my talents."

Personally I've noticed a lot of people try to defend their lack of skills by a lack of formal training. Sometimes in a "well I didn't go to school like you" way. More often as a badge as to why their lack of skills should just be appreciated for what they are. "I'm not good, but I didn't go to school. So I'm technically better."

[Riley Stark]

Personally I've noticed a lot of people try to defend their lack of skills by a lack of formal training. Sometimes in a "well I didn't go to school like you" way. More often as a badge as to why their lack of skills should just be appreciated for what they are. "I'm not good, but I didn't go to school. So I'm technically better."

I think a lot of artists (who would otherwise qualify as beginners) come to places like CA, thinking they'll get the ass-pats that they get on other sites like DA, and it's a rude awakening when they get actual criticism instead of a generic "OMG I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE IT!!!!!!!" that they're used to.

It puts them on the offense.

Even if they ask you to critique them, I don't think they're ever honestly expecting it. As a result, they start grasping for ways to level the playing field and justify why they're just as good as the pro's are, instead of being humbled in their presence and grateful for the fact that people are honestly trying to help them.

I know that, as a beginner myself, it's sometimes hard to hear the truth that you're not as good as you'd like to be or even as good as you think you are. Sometimes you have to take the medicine, no matter how awful or bitter it tastes, to get better. The sugar doesn't do anything except hide the taste, the medicine is what cures you.

[Peter Coene]

You forgot the worst one, "Who are you to judge? I've seen your work and it sux, so you don't know what you're talking about! You just get off on putting everyone down!!!"
While I know that it doesn't specifically apply to your critiques I think that there are some places where this is actually quite a valid reply.

Wow... Pezzle, if that's the person, okay, but remind me never to read ED again. I don't know anything about snapesnogger, but I like whoever wrote that article even less. It's not just the juvenile attitude, but all the new internet slang... yuk.
That is the beauty of ED. Everything, everyone, everywhere gets ripped on. According to the philosophy of ED the internet in general is full of FAIL and it is their duty to rip on it unceasingly. Plus, you get wonderful new internet heroes and villains, or some weird combination of the two, such as pedobear (http://pedobear.org/) and Anon (http://www.whyweprotest.org/en/).

[daestwen]

While I know that it doesn't specifically apply to your critiques I think that there are some places where this is actually quite a valid reply.

I don't know about that... I know a lot more theory than I can actually put in my work, for example. I'm getting a lot better but I can still much more easily spot things like compositional errors and muddy colours and anatomy mistakes in other people's work than my own. Though I agree I sometimes downplay people's critiques, it usually is more about the critiques i've gotten from them in the past than their work.

I've had people tell me 'your work sucks what do you know' in chow before... which is pretty silly since I'm basically the acting art director for the contest. :P If I say you're missing the point, you're missing the point... No matter what you think of my art!

[carlosranna]

Wait a minute, Daestwen. You are missing the point here...

Huahuahuahau!!!

Ok. Not funny... Hehehe...

[Pezz]

SnapeSnogger isn't old meme yet?


Insectu Batteru (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24872) is too, but it's still funny. The Classic Manky83 thread. Oldie, but contains just about every one of those replies/excuses on the OP's list!

[Kaileighblue]

I think a lot of artists (who would otherwise qualify as beginners) come to places like CA, thinking they'll get the ass-pats that they get on other sites like DA, and it's a rude awakening when they get actual criticism instead of a generic "OMG I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE IT!!!!!!!" that they're used to.


Luckily I haven't noticed nearly as much of it here. I was recommended to come here after complaining about how stupid other people act at another forum and no one can give or take a proper crit.

What upsets me the most about those places is not only can the Artist not take a crit, but they have their own personal army hovering around telling them they're excellent and insulting anyone who says otherwise. It's the very reason I'm still as bad as I am. No one ever cared enough to tell me otherwise.

There's a topic on that forum that has more posts about how I'm a 'jealous 50 year old man putting down people to make myself feel better' than it does art. Literally 10 posts out of 15 insulting me as a person for saying "Your style is good but you're stuck drawing the same 3/4 face" and offering some recommendations. It's amazing anyone wants to give critiques.


Insectu Batteru (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24872) is too, but it's still funny. The Classic Manky83 thread. Oldie, but contains just about every one of those replies/excuses on the OP's list!

Hah wow that got harsh quick. And people say I'm mean. Doubt he got anything out of it.

[Peter Coene]

I don't know about that... I know a lot more theory than I can actually put in my work, for example. I'm getting a lot better but I can still much more easily spot things like compositional errors and muddy colours and anatomy mistakes in other people's work than my own. Though I agree I sometimes downplay people's critiques, it usually is more about the critiques i've gotten from them in the past than their work.

I've had people tell me 'your work sucks what do you know' in chow before... which is pretty silly since I'm basically the acting art director for the contest. :P If I say you're missing the point, you're missing the point... No matter what you think of my art!

I didn't say all the time, just some cases. I just know that every now and then I'll see cases where people are wanting to "critique" someone's work because they get off on telling people that they screwed up, and the pointers they give are often following incorrect assumptions.

For example, claiming that the artist needs to make the background go blue to indicate atmospheric perspective... even though the sky is a yellowish tone and therefore the background took on a yellowish tone when blending to the atmosphere. Yet the crit giver, dead-set in his opinion that blue is required for atmospheric perspective, insists that it should be used.

[daestwen]

Peter, yeah that's kind of what I meant when I said I based people's crits on what they've said in crits before... If they give consistently bad critiques, regardless of the level of their work, I feel fit to ignore them. :] All I'm saying is that I base it on the level of their advice, rather than going to search their sketchbook to see whether or not they are awesome enough to tell me what to do. :P

[Falchion]

My crits tend toward more superficial fluffy things, seeing as that I don't have a particularly thorough art education. And I'm a bitter child who thrives on the misery of others.

[BlightedArt]

"i know that but I HAVE so many pageviews cuz im a good artist!!!"

—Chasethehedgehog, babbling

"No, you have many pageviews because.... well have you ever seen people slow down to look at a car wreck on the highway?"

—Jason Rainville, speaking truth

Good ol' Jason



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Insectu Batteru (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24872) is too, but it's still funny. The Classic Manky83 thread. Oldie, but contains just about every one of those replies/excuses on the OP's list!


I'm so ashamed that person is from New Zealand. /cry

[Slothboy3000]

Here's one I haven't seen here (may have overlooked) and I'm sometimes guilty of this myself. I really need to get over it.

"Well, I WOULD change that if I was getting payed for it".

[DavePalumbo]

Personally I've noticed a lot of people try to defend their lack of skills by a lack of formal training. Sometimes in a "well I didn't go to school like you" way. More often as a badge as to why their lack of skills should just be appreciated for what they are. "I'm not good, but I didn't go to school. So I'm technically better."

I feel exactly the same when people make an issue about not using reference. In the end, weak drawing is weak drawing, nobody cares if you tied an arm behind your back or not.

[Peter Coene]

I feel exactly the same when people make an issue about not using reference. In the end, weak drawing is weak drawing, nobody cares if you tied an arm behind your back or not.

I love those ones.

Back in one of my classes I remember there was another student who used the "I didn't use reference" line one week. The instructor told him that in the future he should use reference. The next week he had the excuse: "that's what my reference looked like." This time the instructor told him that just because he had reference that didn't mean he had to directly copy any parts that looked weird or did not fit the piece he was trying to make. The next week the student's excuse was "It looks like that because I changed parts of the reference like you told me to."

In the end we sort of concluded that the student just sucked and was making excuses.

[nauvice]

this is the opposite of number 1.... "it is Finished"

I used that for my first thread evar in ca :D I made a portrait, only the face and never really rendered the shirt or background. and a mod moved the thread from Finally Finished to WIP section, because of that... I argued, then he moved it to a section that no longer exists... it was a subforum under finally finished, sort of a parody forum making fun of noob artists... still argued and bitched there until the thread was deleted :(

noticed other people also do that, if you give a crit, they'll say it is finished so no point in critiquing it...

[MiniGoth]

When doing a white balance, do you zoom in so just white is in your viewfinder, or do you need to have different colors around it?

Just white. Bear in mind, there are different tints of white. Balancing on a cool white will give your picture a warm tone, and vice versa.

[Kharnaghe]

Well, I'm a beginner, but I like browsing the sketchbooks of other beginners, so what can I say when I post on someone's SB? Should I just call it like I see it, regardless of the fact that I'm a beginner, or should I try to just not say anything? From what I'm reading, the hierarchy of an accepted post is: critique > appreciative/ motivational comment > negative response. I barely know anything about forms colours, shapes and whatnot. Should I even bother posting?

[paberu]

"6: "The client wanted me to get it finished so I wish I had so more time to fix it ...""

Sadly this is sometimes the case with deadlines where you have to just stop and call it done when there are some really glaring issue staring right back at ya.

They come and haunt you in your dreams o___o and you pray that that work never gets out on the internet.......

[lkjhgfdsa]

Everyone has an opinion and the ability to criticize/critique but very few have actual ability- it's a 'bell-curve' thing...

[Ilaekae]

"Shit...yeah...I've been doing that a lot since I took both my eyes out with that hay fork..."

"I'm trying to be EYERONIK, you asshole..."

[Jazz]

I've said #12 many times (the "I know..." one) because I've actually SAID the same crit of my work in descriptions and someone turns around and says the same thing. :P Not to agree, but as if I didn't know! O_O Sometimes though, I only think what they actually say. So I shudder and reply with, "Y-yes... "

I recall some that I once said. One about an anthro character: "The hands are like that cuz she's NOT human!!!" ...I said that once, yep. They were human-looking hands anyway; she was holding a sword.

And "This pic is from 2 years ago. :P" I just sounded rude, that's why I put it here. It's valid though, I just could've been nicer.

I noticed some people responding with, "Well if you don't like it, don't look!!!" but that's usually commenting on subject matter (and how it's done) more than a critique on the more technical aspects.

Mock, you were thinking what I was thinking. XD Snogger indirectly brought me here, and as soon as I saw the helpful crits she received, I wanted in. o_o I thanked her for it too, and she responded nicely. :3 Gotta say, for how things turned out in her case, that was kind of her.

[Lateman]

haha the most awesome picture! it fits so fukin great to that threat! ;D

cheers

[nauvice]

I think the worst reply is no reply at all, it always feels like the people just ignored it completely.

[George Abraham]

I like lame ass crit softners.


"..or that's the first thing that stood out for me atleast"

LOL!! You mean the first and only thing you could say something about because you felt it's critical that you say at least something today?


Or insecure critics backing each other's testing observations. "I have to agree with X here and say that"... for the purpose of tagging their own crap "..and also I think(Here comes the good part) >Insert stuff you saved for weeks but didn't have the opprotunity to comment on yet here< Or >The stuff you read last night in ImagineFX or 3D Arti$t< "

LOL!!!!

[nauvice]

woah zaorr I dont think those are legitimate reasons to bash critics. The least they're trying to do is make their comments somewhat approachable, but if you prefer people to talk to you like you're their bitch, I'll make a note of that :P

one fault in critics I'll mention though are those who dont follow what they preach. They will mention every anatomical or figure drawing mistakes to someone else but cant seem to realize their own similar mistakes being repeated over and over in their sketchbook

[Peter Coene]

I think the worst reply is no reply at all, it always feels like the people just ignored it completely.

That's usually a result of the work not standing out enough to merit a crit. This is basically an unspoken critique, which should be understood to mean "do something to make it noticeable."

[nauvice]

That's usually a result of the work not standing out enough to merit a crit. This is basically an unspoken critique, which should be understood to mean "do something to make it noticeable."
no I meant a reply to a crit, like someone gave a well thought out crit, and the person doesnt say thank you or complain about it, they just ignore it completely

[Raoul Duke]

You forgot the worst one, "Who are you to judge? I've seen your work and it sux, so you don't know what you're talking about! You just get off on putting everyone down!!!"

I may have invented that one.

[George Abraham]

no I meant a reply to a crit, like someone gave a well thought out crit, and the person doesnt say thank you or complain about it, they just ignore it completely

Originally Posted by Peter Coene
That's usually a result of the work not standing out enough to merit a crit. This is basically an unspoken critique, which should be understood to mean "do something to make it noticeable."

Sounds more like an "over crit"?

[Ryan K]

What about "I wasn't really trying" or "I half-assed it".

[Raoul Duke]

I wouldn't mind hearing "pobody's nerfect" It may not be a good defense, but it sure sounds cute.

[George Abraham]

I think your scetchbook just got more hits. LOL!!

[Jazz]

I just remembered giving someone a crit along with some other people. My crit was possibly "nicer" sounding or something. So the person was basically replying with, "I like YOUR crit. It's nice. It's probably the best crit out of all the rest." That...embarrassed me and I didn't really believe that. I didn't say anything after that, especially once others replied to that perosn's reply.

[Peter Coene]

no I meant a reply to a crit, like someone gave a well thought out crit, and the person doesnt say thank you or complain about it, they just ignore it completely

That depends, the point of the crit was to help them, not to get a response. If their future work benefits from the crit then that is all the response I need. On the other hand, if they say thanks and are all nice about it but do nothing then what was the point?

[Raoul Duke]

I just remembered giving someone a crit along with some other people. My crit was possibly "nicer" sounding or something. So the person was basically replying with, "I like YOUR crit. It's nice. It's probably the best crit out of all the rest." That...embarrassed me and I didn't really believe that. I didn't say anything after that, especially once others replied to that perosn's reply.

most people on this forum take criticizm pretty well. I think the #1 reply is "thanks for pointing that out", but polite, good mannered folks are boring to talk about behind their backs.

[Duq]

Ofcourse people are going to defend themselves from awful crits. Everyone of us will reason, and justify themselves if someone will just point out all of our flaws and hand us the rules to fix it.

When you crit someone, keep in my mind that in their opinion they did the best they could do. And they will know there is room for improvement, and will love to hear it. But if noone talks about the good things they did, they are gonna jump in self-defence mode. Its only human.

See it like training a dog a new trick. If you want fast results, it's better to award him for when he does a good job, then punishing him for when he did it badly.

I just remembered giving someone a crit along with some other people. My crit was possibly "nicer" sounding or something. So the person was basically replying with, "I like YOUR crit. It's nice. It's probably the best crit out of all the rest." That...embarrassed me and I didn't really believe that. I didn't say anything after that, especially once others replied to that perosn's reply.
You should be proud Jazz, your crit is one that will last with him through his future work. The other crits wont.

[George Abraham]

Is this thread like the corner of a boxing ring between rounds?

LOL!!!

Ding!!!

>Insert, Eye of the tiger here<

[Falchion]

You forgot the worst one, "Who are you to judge? I've seen your work and it sux, so you don't know what you're talking about! You just get off on putting everyone down!!!"

Well, that just about summarizes my crits...

[Sickbrush]

"i did the drawing while hanging upside-down from a rooftop, fighting Batman with one hand, pissing, eating a hotdog, and of course the light was very bad because the sky was pitch black from the radioactive dust"

[Falchion]

"i did the drawing while hanging upside-down from a rooftop, fighting Batman with one hand, pissing, eating a hotdog, and of course the light was very bad because the sky was pitch black from the radioactive dust"

"Well, crap. How're you doing, professor?":teeth:

[nauvice]

I hate when people are either afraid to critique or are blinded by a great artist's work that isn't so great as their other works. There are some obvious errors that if it was a noob that made the piece, just as, people would not be so... discreet.

[Brashen]

I hate when people are either afraid to critique or are blinded by a great artist's work that isn't so great as their other works. There are some obvious errors that if it was a noob that made the piece, just as, people would not be so... discreet.

Zat iz soo true yaaa

[nauvice]

:P...

[slig665]

I have thick impenetrable walls of pretention to gaurd my fragile ego so critiques do not effect me.

I'm yet to see anyone get butt hurt over them. Everyone seems pretty civil outside the lounge. The critiques and comments I've gotten so far have been usefull and/or supportive. If I wanted someone to cup my testes and give me a cookie everytime I did a drawing I'd only post to deviantart.

[lkjhgfdsa]

I like hearing Critiques/ reading them;- but what I wait for and am often left hanging- is the ' This is how to address the problem' -then insert here professional opinion/ direction.
Mostly what I am reading is opinion- less often I am reading professional/intuitive educational help...

[nauvice]

some people take it a biiiitt personal if you critique them on what they thought was their strength or the best thing in their art :\

I like hearing Critiques/ reading them;- but what I wait for and am often left hanging- is the ' This is how to address the problem' -then insert here professional opinion/ direction.
Mostly what I am reading is opinion- less often I am reading professional/intuitive educational help...

wait, if they explain How to do it, isnt that a direction? Or by that do you mean how that person would do something himself that would change the work into more of their style. if so, agreed.

[Peter Coene]

ooh, another fun one:

"but, it won a prize for being better than all the other second graders in my school!... Imma go tell mommy you're being mean!"

[TASmith]

Here's a novel one, I may use for the Secret Santa thread - "I did this while my 2 year-old son climbed all over me, pinching my neck." It definately adds a new dimension of challenge.