gay and lesbian art ?

[shahar]

hi every body
my name is shahar and i am the moderator of gay art forum (http://www.gaypaintings.com/forum)

The forum that I a moderator of is collecting gay and lesbian artists and art from all over the world

I would like to show you some of the images from the gay art forum (http://www.gaypaintings.com/forum)


It will be great to get your opinion about





http://www.realismart.com/gay/gadi/gadi.jpg





http://www.chrislambertsen.com/jpegs/gay/harbourhamburg.jpg





http://www.sidedoorgalleries.com/kiss/images/k10.jpg










http://www.lesbianpaintings.com/jpg/nf2.jpg













http://www.gaypaintings.com/GayArtGallery/rafi_perez/gayfamily.jpg






http://www.pierreduterte.com/photo/Corps/spottcoup.jpg





gay art forum (http://www.gaypaintings.com/forum)




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[davi]

neat stuff. I know you want to get the word out and all, but i'm wondering if this is the right place to advertise.


The picture with the 2 males nude with their child i find kind of...exterme.

Personally i think sexuality and parenthood should be seperated... though it is just art...and it's meant to turn heads.

good luck with the forum, hope someone finds interest in it.

[shahar]

male nude (http://www.gaypaintings.com/forum/)




http://www.dylanricci.com/images/galleries/MaleNude34.jpg





http://www.capturemode.com/image/prints/nudes/big/n1515.jpg




http://www.capturemode.com/image/prints/erotic/big/e33.jpg





male nude (http://www.gaypaintings.com/forum/)


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[darth massacre]

Most people, even myself, find my own views contradictary.


I am a firm believer and sort of a supporter of gay rights. But I really don't see why gay art should be done for gay art's sake. I feel most of the pictures there are appreciation and study for the human body......while a couple have interesting symbolism. Not being so, err, explicit about sexuality or sexual preference isn't bad too.

But I guess its part of the social gestalt of current times. Still its got some interesting stuff from what's posted. Good luck with the forum.

[USER777]

i dont have anything against gay people but why should the term "gay art" even exist when no one talks about "hetero art". there shouldnt be pictures made just for the sake that you are gay. i feel most gay and lesbian people fight for equal rights which is totally understandable but on the other hand they show it all the time just for the sake of it.

[dusty imp]

i'm not touching this thread with a 2-meter pole. but i'll say this; i don't like someone's sexual preferences shoved in my face. sexual orientation has very little to do with the art people make. don't use it as an excuse.

[0kelvin]

i don't like someone's sexual preferences shoved in my face.

I have a feeling I could tell you I'm straight until I'm blue in the face and paint hundreds of pictures of men kissing women it wouldn't bother you at all.


sexual orientation has very little to do with the art people make.

Are you kidding me?! Have you looked at this board?! Every second picture is a scantily clad woman! Face it man, you've got a double standard.

Gender, sexual preference, religion, race, everything about us goes into the art we create.

Calling something gay art is the same as calling another thing fantasy art. It's just a matter of subject. There's nothing wrong with creating a place for people to gather art of a similar nature.



0kelvin

[egerie]

I'm suprised this thread hasn't errupted in a flamewar yet. Anyways..

Why labeling the art like this ? I understand the need to congregate as gay artists and/or categorise the subject depicted in the pieces, but isn't that detrimental to seclude gay & lesbian artists like this ? After all the activists work and sacrifices, why voluntarly stand asside ?
Maybe it's just a matter of name, but this is what "Gay and Lesbian Art" feels to me, as a name for a community.

2c over and out.

P.S.: I hate tags, labels, non-dits, stereotypes and preconceptions. :rolleyes:

[Chяis]

My own current work or atleast the work I've been proud enough to show on here has been a set of roses some would label that homosexual art because a flower is feminine.

For that reason I do not wish for art to be labeled homosexual or lesbian because who's to say what's homosexual or lesbian and even if to females or males are kissing together it could have many other meanings (metaphors, symbolism) than to be blunty gay or lesbian.

In my opinion; Art is art careless of the sexual agenda behind it.

[SJ Bennighof]

i'm not touching this thread with a 2-meter pole. but i'll say this; i don't like someone's sexual preferences shoved in my face. sexual orientation has very little to do with the art people make. don't use it as an excuse.

I am, first and foremost, a fundamentalist Christian. It is a personal belief of mine that homosexuality is, in an overarcing absolute sense, wrong. However, I keep that on the same level as affirmative action and abortion, which I also think are wrong. As such I would keep any disagreements with people on these issues on the same objective, impersonal level. In the same sense that I as a conservative can have good friends who are liberal and not worry about it, I as a straight guy can have good friends who are gay and not worry about it; it's just a disagreement. Given all of that, I would not consider anything in art to be categorically offensive. Anything can be stylistically utilized in art as a perfectly legitimate device, and Anything can be used for base and sensual purposes. Many types of, say, nudity can and are used in purely platonic, nonsexual ways to make an artistic point. Many types of nudity can and are used in sexual ways to make an artistic point. Many types of nudity can and are used as pornography with no intent of deeper artistic meaning. I would consider both heterosexual and homosexual usages of nudity and any other stylistic device to be capable of falling into any of the above categories. Note that I'm not just speaking of nudity there. There are many different devices that can be used for both legitimately artistic purposes and for lesser, more base purposes. The introduction of homosexuality into the mix should have no immediate bearing on which of these the art is evaluated to be. In truth it's such a minor aspect of composition that it shouldn't matter. Many pieces that include a gay couple could be mirrored in intent and theme by a similar piece that includes a straight couple; in many cases it's merely an expression of love. Even if homosexuality and opinions about homosexuality are major themes of a piece, that shouldn't influence an appraisal of its quality any more than if the piece advocates political views that differ from your own. I certainly do not hold my opinions about moral and political issues to be paramount to the artstic expression of another. I've often said--not here, but I have said it--that while I am Conservative and believe in Absolutes of right and wrong, Art is Nothing and believes Nothing. Art has no political affiliations, Art has no morals, and Art has no opinions. Art is a language. Art is an inanimate medium harnessed by men in order to convey who they are and their beliefs, their political affiliations, their morals and their opinions. Now why in a context of analyzing how well an artist said what he was trying to say must we constantly be instead analyzing how much we agree with what he was trying to say?

That's my two cents.

SJ Bennighof

[cam]

i agree with what you're trying to say SJ :D

[thebluepuppy]

its sad your art will never go any further then being gay. its such a crutch. and its a very visible and lame crutch. create art but not because your gay. thats lame. cmon people will see right through that. and no this isnt a an attack on gay people, its an attack on people who try ride the crutch train. thats like me saying. i create art because im diabetic. its diabetic art. im not diabetic, but the principal is the same nonetheless.

[Scratch N' Brain]

Im a lezbian trapped inside a guys body... :er: :)

[MuffinMan]

its sad your art will never go any further then being gay. its such a crutch. and its a very visible and lame crutch. create art but not because your gay. thats lame. cmon people will see right through that. and no this isnt a an attack on gay people, its an attack on people who try ride the crutch train. thats like me saying. i create art because im diabetic. its diabetic art. im not diabetic, but the principal is the same nonetheless.

i totally agree, at first i was a little disturbed with this thread and it's images.
please, it's kinda getting annoying that gays are screaming at the mass that they are gay...BIG DEAL if you are gay, i don't care.

[Scratch N' Brain]

I dont think sharhar is reading this anymore...no point in keeping thread going.

[AnarchyAo2]

Why did you make this group for gay and lesbian people only? Are you trying to make a point, or accomplish some type of goal?

[shahar]

Yes, I, Shahar am still reading this forum. And IMHO, I like the discussion that is going on here. Keep it up!

What surprises me about this forum is that although you are all more focused on sexuality, you fail to discuss composition, color coding/cues, iconography, and usage form. It shows that some here lack the vocubulary necessary to discuss seriously art. But, there are some very intelligent people here I see.

For your viewing pleasure, here are more photos/works. Enjoy.


http://www.gaypaintings.com/images/gayart/gayartists.jpg




http://www.gayart.info/gilaad/gilaad2.jpg
yes it is a lesbian woman




http://www.gaypaintings.com/images/naive/naive.jpg




http://www.gayart.info/ben/ben4.jpg
yes he likes men - and the artist slept with him ( this what he told )




http://www.gayart.info/gadi/gadi7.jpg
they are in the navy now! Ships ahoy!









http://www.naivedrawing.com/naivepaintings/naivepaintings1.jpg





http://www.gaypaintings.com/GayArtGallery/pierre/3.jpg




I am looking forward to all of your replies. Don't worry I will read them all and contemplate about all of you.


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[thebluepuppy]

no comment

[MuffinMan]

admin's can you do something please?

[Balooga]

Thumbs up Shahar! I'm liking the fact that you're making some people on this forum feel very uncomfortable with your gay art.

Post some more! :rendered:

[DragonGX]

I'm gonna chime in here.

I don't care what sexual orientation anyone is, and it isn't m place to judge on that. I do, however, agree with most of the replies in this thread. People should create art for the sake of expressing thier emotions, but I don't think that it should be labelled "gay" art. Theres a difference between a genre and a sexual connotation. If anything, I would call most of the peices posted so far abstract. Just like someone else said, you don't see people labelling art depicting a hetero couple "hetero art". To be honest, it reminds me of the types of gay people who HAVE to let everyone know that they are gay and proud of it... like they're flaunting the fact that they're gay. TO be quite honest, I don't mind gay people, but I can't stand those types that are "completely out" and let you know at every chance... That is about how I feel towards the "Gay Art Forum".. Its kind of like "HEY! LOOK AT US! WE ARE GAY!!!! ...oh by the way, here is some art.."

Just create art to express your emotions, if those happen to be expressed like the art seen in this thread, that's cool, but it doesn't need to be segregated and labelled...

Just my .02

[Scratch N' Brain]

if you want advice on the pictures...why did u put them in the lounge area thats probably why everybody is hung on the whole gay subject thats what this thread is for. You should move it to the finished work thread or something. People will give you some good crits there. Try putting it there without saying its gay art. and if anyone truly asks why the pictures are the way they are. just tell them. It doesnt have to be that big of a subject.

Just to let you know i can honestly care less whether the person who made these pics are gay or not. Some of these are damn good. The only thing i can say is none of them appeal to me. But, i do respect them for what they are.

[Red_Rook]

admin's can you do something please?

your posts are gold muffinman.



anyway. shahar. most people couldnt give a fuck whether or not your art was made by a gay person or not. To be honest i could care less. But as someone said earlier, it could well be a crutch. Let these people just be artists do there thing, post it in the finnaly finished section, and hey im sure youd get critiques, as you said talking about composition and colour etc etc etc. If there good artists and the art is good, its stands out, not as gay art, but just as art, possibly with gay content or made by a gay artist but honestly who cares, for about half of these no one would ever find out. However why are we going to critique somone else work here on this forum, when these people will never see it.

Never the less its still probably not the right forum to do it in, this delves a bit too far into the abstract and fine arts side of things then most people around here are used to. The realistic ones would probably get a whole bunch of replies, without stating that there lesbian or gay in any which shape or form to gain atention. What on earth does sexual orientation and having artistic talent have to do with each other, it doesnt set that artist apart nor should they get anykind of special atention or treatment.

But as balooga said it is however incredibly funny how uncompfortable people get in the face of stuff like this.

[Crash]

what the difference between gay art and non gay art?

[dfacto]

Well, the actual non-photographic art isn't very good. Loud and energetic, but not very skillfully executed, which is a bit against the general flow of the forum. We all generally strive for skillful rendering styles, and the art there doesn't seem to be about that.

As for the whole homosexual art thing, I don't care who draws what, but I don't really need to know their sexual orientation. People draw sexual things all the time, but it's a bit redundant, and attention -ish to go over the top and make it about your sexual preference instead of the art. Woohoo, you're gay! Guess what, you aren't special, and it won't make your art better. I wanna see the art, not a page worth of debating about sexuality's overt place in it. I also don't think you should be posting the art here, since this is a discussion forum. If your memebrs want to display their art, they should post in the appropriate sections.

Don't worry I will read them all and contemplate about all of you.

Creepy! :dead:

[Daunting]

Macho Macho Macho Man ya I want to be... A macho MACHO MACHO!!

Anyways keep on doin what you're doing. Just don't get overly mad if somebody pushes hetero art into ya. Nice work nonetheless. Is that lady boxing thing a painting or charcoal shiznit or what?

[MuffinMan]

your posts are gold muffinman.

thank you.

anyways, sharhar...i don't think people care wether it is gay or not.
if you are gay, good for you. we don't care. i think you haven't figured that we are getting annoyed. becuase we already know your gay and we needn't know more. same thing with the gay pride parade in New York, that just freaks me out...really, if your gay...you don't HAVE to spread info about you being gay.
now do you understand?

[Red_Rook]

your welcome :]

[Sammy]

shahar,

As with most art/design I certainly like the more subtle and less attention grabbing works better.... and some of these are out there with nothing subtle, or left to the imagination...
But hey, I like shock-value just as much as the next guy when done right!

keep up the good works, glad to have you on the forums.

[emily g]

Like several people here, I don't care whether something was painted by a gay person or not, but I can see the benefit of having a gay art forum.
As we can see, some people get uncomfortable about the art. And we have to have a big discussion about gay art because of it.
If you paint work that has a "gay theme" to it, it might be nice to have a place to post where nobody freaks out about it and you can get good criticism and comments on the work.

However, I question the purpose of posting on a forum that isn't dedicated to gay art, and making a big deal about it being "GAY ART." Just post the work. People may be uncomfortable about it or they may not, but let the art speak for itself.

emily

[ArtbyWard]

I cant understand that some people are not offended by people getting slaughtered, but are offended by two naked men? Are you from the victorian era or something jeez.

Well everybody gasta decide for their own I guess. Takes alot to offend me :wink:

[NoUseFrAName]

any conflict over this is created entirely by the person experiencing it.

there are plenty of places just like this that don't have a gay label.
Fan art forums....fans together posting art that's related to something that they share a common interest in.
Fine art forums....fine artists posting fine art.
Gay art forums where people(not necessarily just gays) post gay art.
etc.

it's just a bit more exclusive...
take Mentler's SOFA forums....all about figurative arts....and interestingly people here have taken an interest in it.

Advertising this here is smart...possibly catching the eye of someone that does gay art who would feel more comfortable posting on a more exclusive forum.


....and so far as commenting on coposition/anatomy/forms etc. goes....post it in the finished section if you want that.

-Rob(who's ideas on the morality of homosexuality are completely unrelated to this thread)

[SJ Bennighof]

-Rob(who's ideas on the morality of homosexuality are completely unrelated to this thread)

Hear Hear! :yayca:

[Main Loop]

What surprises me about this forum is that although you are all more focused on sexuality, you fail to discuss composition, color coding/cues, iconography, and usage form. It shows that some here lack the vocubulary necessary to discuss seriously art. But, there are some very intelligent people here I see.

if you wanted critiques of that nature, you shouldn't post this in the "discussion" section of this website..

[Steph Laberis]

its sad your art will never go any further then being gay. its such a crutch.

For those that choose to stay within the label, yes, this is very true. But I know many, many other artists who identify as gay, who make artwork like this as well as art depicting hetero couples, abstract paintings, etc. Not everyone stays within the confines of labels.

And yes, anyone who identifies themselves as part of a social sub-group can ride the crutch train, no doubt. But I believe there is an important need for gay art, not so much for the greater benefit of society but for the artist themselves. After years of questioning one's sexual orientation, years of hiding and guilt, of being shown endless examples of heterosexual couplings by society (you wanna talk about someone's sexual orientation being shoved in your face? Open a magazine, look at a billboard, turn on your TV.) So... with the revelation of "Hey wait a sec, I AM different, it HAS a name, and there ARE people out there like me!", why shouldn't one make art for the sole purpose of expressing their homosexuality?

Usually, when we do see the occasional bit of gay-themed art on CA, it's usally two scantily clad chicks and it's pretty humorous, cliche or meant to be taken lightly - I haven't seen anyone explore a deeper or more emotive angle of homosexuality.

I do understand that the vast majority of us here don't judge people based on sexual orientation alone, that there are many, many facets to every individual. We could look at the images above and also lump them into categories of "impressionist", "expressionist", "abstract", etc. But I disagree with most of what's been said; I think that art which is created for the sole purpose of "being gay" has its place in the world and could have its place in a forum on CA.

*exhales*

[Chяis]

Yes, I, Shahar am still reading this forum. And IMHO, I like the discussion that is going on here. Keep it up!

What surprises me about this forum is that although you are all more focused on sexuality, you fail to discuss composition, color coding/cues, iconography, and usage form. It shows that some here lack the vocubulary necessary to discuss seriously art. But, there are some very intelligent people here I see.

For your viewing pleasure, here are more photos/works. Enjoy.

But the thing is, is that you're labeling it under sexuality so nobody has really looked thoroughly at the painting because they already know it will be some thing derived from being gay or lesbian. You have stopped creativity and interest with the ideal of labeling it under a certain class.

I will give you my Critique though

The Second Image: You wouldn't know it was a girl with out a title (not trying to be rude there but you couldn't at a glance), good shading but you need to show some female features even if you need to show her breast. Now I'm not saying you do need to do that but I just think it would give a clear point that it is a female boxer. A title should not tell you every thing about the painting or photograph and in most cases should not be needed.

Fourth Image: It's just a picture that tells nothing! I see a priest by the way that's extremely controversial showing a gay priest (just my words of warning, I'm not very religous myself but I know people take offence to that). But keeping on a critic stance you wouldn't know that with out a story, artwork should not need to be explained to the veiwer.

Just to sum up those pictures once you have created some thing don't try and explain the whole basis behind it should allow the viewers enough visualization to come to there own conclusion.



The rest I feel our quite, well... terrible, the first one is poorly made coloured and designed, no perspective or scenes of real interest and poorly made people with no real anatomy. Maybe the third but even it needs work, I'm not the best critique though so I'll allow some one to better explain it better.




A word of advice though, your art, no matter how good if labeled gay or lesbian will be chastised. Not just by homophobics and the religious but I prefer art to be beyond gender or sexual intentions. It allows you to be more free with your work and less held down by a certain thing, in this case sexual intentions.

Well you can read my reply a little ways above for my full thoughts on it.





And Balooga if you start labeling art gay/lesbian/bisexual/heterosexual than you're artwork may very well be labeled just that. Your study of the male anotomy shows quite alot of male nudity. Would you really like your work to be crutched by being labeled by sexual assumptions?

Any ways it doesn't bother me just the ideal of my artwork being labeled makes it feel like the creativity you could once have done has been limited by labeling it.

And I agree with what willow said as well as Yutani, (well a part of it):

"I don't mind the fact that the paintings are done by gay artists. i don't mind the subject matter. i mind the fact that this labels gay artists as producers of gay art. to me it's like saying that all girls make girly art. why the need to label?" That I agree with.

You damn well better read all that.. :zzz:

[dusty imp]

let me clarify myself to avoid any further misunderstanding;
i don't mind the fact that the paintings are done by gay artists. i don't mind the subject matter. i mind the fact that this labels gay artists as producers of gay art. to me it's like saying that all girls make girly art. why the need to label? why even tell the artist's orientation? what relevance does it have to the viewer? is there supposed to be some kind of preferential treatment based on this? rhetorical questions really.

[AnarchyAo2]

Grrr....People like Shahar really tick me off.

"What surprises me about this forum is that although you are all more focused on sexuality, you fail to discuss composition, color coding/cues, iconography, and usage form. It shows that some here lack the vocubulary necessary to discuss seriously art."

I often times wonder if people think. Shahar, the title of your thread is "gay and lesbian art?", and is in the LOUNGE section. Maybe hypocritical homosexuals don't know what a lounge is because you constantly outcast yourselves by hooping and hollaring about how gay you are, but a lounge is where we discuss topics/issues, not critique art. Sheesh, why don't you try doing something more important with your "gay" art besides posting it in the wrong section and then putting the blame on us by trying saying we "lack the vocubulary necessary to discuss seriously art".

"Oh no oh no! People always focus on our sexuality, I wonder why? Hey, did I mention that I'm G A Y ?"

>:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{

[0kelvin]

NoUseFrAName and Willow said exactly what I've been wanting to say, but couldn't quite find the right words for. Good job you two! Making my life easier. Hooray for the eloquence of others!



0kelvin

[MuffinMan]

Grrr....People like Shahar really tick me off.

"What surprises me about this forum is that although you are all more focused on sexuality, you fail to discuss composition, color coding/cues, iconography, and usage form. It shows that some here lack the vocubulary necessary to discuss seriously art."

I often times wonder if people think. Shahar, the title of your thread is "gay and lesbian art?", and is in the LOUNGE section. Maybe hypocritical homosexuals don't know what a lounge is because you constantly outcast yourselves by hooping and hollaring about how gay you are, but a lounge is where we discuss topics/issues, not critique art. Sheesh, why don't you try doing something more important with your "gay" art besides posting it in the wrong section and then putting the blame on us by trying saying we "lack the vocubulary necessary to discuss seriously art".

"Oh no oh no! People always focus on our sexuality, I wonder why? Hey, did I mention that I'm G A Y ?"

>:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{ >:{


i totally agree. :yayca:
also, what does "Gay art" have to do with concept art? are you trying to show us "gay concept art"? you are totally posting this "gay" art on the WRONG forum, i mean the whole site is the opposition of your art.

[AnarchyAo2]

Its okay to have a gay and lesbian art club, but do you think that trying to piss off 5,000 people (Who are primarily young and open-minded) is a good idea? Maybe you should be trying to convince us that there is nothing wrong with being gay, and that it has nothing to do with who you are except for who you're attracted to. I mean, art is such a powerful tool of communication if you use it correctly! Gays and lesbians are in for a long road to equality in our country and across the world. For example, in my state, Virginia, an amendment was just passed that banned marriage AND CIVIL UNIONS between gays and lesbians! No, this isn't just about religion and the sacred matromony (I don't feel like looking up the spelling) between a man and a woman. The majority of the country doesn't want you to exist and the government agrees!! And all you've got to bitch about is low vocabulary on this forum. Oh yeah, real smart, dumbass.

[the_blur]

what the difference between gay art and non gay art?

'Cuz man, when a drawing is gay, like, iyour pencil will like other pencils instead of liking a sharpener.

Personally, I'm all about sharpeners...

[jetpack42]

I really enjoy the dichotomy of striving for equality and segregating yourselves.

:dur:

[The Iconoclast]

I really enjoy the dichotomy of striving for equality and segregating yourselves.

:bow: Once again...we had the same idea, but you put it into words.

[Lauren Short]

like many others here i could care less about your sexual preference, i have nothing against homosexual people.
saying your art has a homosexual orientation for the sake of saying it's homosexual is rather pointless in the sense that your art should convey the message itself, it shouldn't have to be spoken for/explained. for example, the picture of the female boxer in a somewhat erotic pose* does not neeed to be explained, because it then loses its sublety and totally ruins whatever point the artist was trying to make. i get that her homosexuality is being insinuated by her attire and pose, it doesn't need to be labeled.

*(erotic in the sense of her breasts being covered only by another part of her body/homosexually erotic because she has a more masculine look accented by the boxing attire)


stating what i have, you labeling this artwork under the title of "gay art" only demeans whatever point the artist(s) are trying to get across.


if you are labeling it "gay art" to add shock, which is what i assume is being done here, then that's fine, it's what you intended but remember that it loses a lot of its artistic value in the process, and therefore makes it shock art for the sake of shock value...which tends to get less respect on a large scale


once again i have nothing against homosexual people, i might not agree with the lifestyle but we're all just people and need to learn to coexist and respect one another's lifestyles and ways of thinking.

[Hanuka]

this thread is SO gay

[AnarchyAo2]

Hahahaha, yes, so gay.

[winjer]

http://www.gaypaintings.com/GayArtGallery/pierre/3.jpg


Are you trying to make me laugh or what. If that picture is supposed to be sentimental at all, you have failed miserably.


http://www.gayart.info/ben/ben4.jpg

Nice composition there. My eye goes right to the altar and the wierd dark line in the middle. Amazing pictorial composition skills at work.


http://www.gaypaintings.com/images/naive/naive.jpg

Really good understanding of color in this piece. I like how the full saturation
reds really clash with the greens and make me want to puke, but the nasty browns pull the piece together and make me want to keep staring at it til i can figure out what kind of gay person has taste this bad.


http://www.naivedrawing.com/naivepaintings/naivepaintings1.jpg

This one is actually interesting.... hmmm doesnt seem to really have anythign to do with being gay though...

[MuffinMan]

this thread is SO gay

indeed...

[Steph Laberis]

saying your art has a homosexual orientation for the sake of saying it's homosexual is rather pointless in the sense that your art should convey the message itself, it shouldn't have to be spoken for/explained.

Well said, Injection, well said. And I'll even chalk up one to Jetpack for his coment about the dichotomy at work here. This is so not a black and white issue and there are a lot of layers at work here.

But I still get the sense that most of the people who posted don't see an iherent value in a work of art that is just gay for gay's sake. Yes, trying to mooch off of a label to get sympathy/hero points for artwork is bogus. But I want to emphasize my point, that most people are overlooking here:

After years of questioning one's sexual orientation, years of hiding and guilt, of being shown endless examples of heterosexual couplings by society (you wanna talk about someone's sexual orientation being shoved in your face? Open a magazine, look at a billboard, turn on your TV.) So... with the revelation of "Hey wait a sec, I AM different, it HAS a name, and there ARE people out there like me!", why shouldn't one make art for the sole purpose of expressing their homosexuality? It fulfills a great need for the artist for visibility and validation ("Hey, I'm not hiding myself anymore! I really AM this way and it's OK, see?")

And I think that's a big reason why there is a need of gay art such as the examples we've seen; because of the obvious oppression of homosexuality. Those of you who identify as hetero probably don't know what this is like, because your sexual preferences have a dominating, welcome place in this world and aren't invisible or a cause for hatred as homosexuality is in some places. It's probably easier for you to say that your sexuality isn't as big a part of yourself because it was never challenged, ridiculed or shamed on such a level. And of course heterosexuality meets its own opposition and challenges, maybe not in the same way as homosexuality.

Surely, times are better now than they were 20 years ago. I've seen less cliche depictions of homosexuality in TV (Queer as Folk, for example) and in magazines (OUT magazine) but there is a long road ahead and yes, the crutch train sucks, and this artwork probably should not have been posted in this forum because it is not concept art, and claiming oneself as a social victim in the name of art is stupid, but this has been a great thread so far and I'm glad that there are open-minded and smart people who are responding, on all sides of the argument.

[egerie]

NoUseFrAName and Willow said exactly what I've been wanting to say, but couldn't quite find the right words for. Good job you two! Making my life easier. Hooray for the eloquence of others!

HERE HERE !

willow-whisp: Even today's random bashing / chasing in the streets gives you one hell of a new outlook on daily life too.

I'll :x now thanks

Pour vivre heureux, vivons cachés. :sadcheerleader: :sadcheerleader:

[johnny3]

Hi, this my first post and I agree with most of the comments,especially Winjer. I was thinking about starting some new forums. How about;
Former Drummers Art Forum
I Used To Be A Doorman But Now I Paint Art Forum
I'm Married and Have Kid's Art Forum
I'm Straight, I Swear Art Forum
I'm Not Gay and I Paint Art Forum
Just a thought.....

[shahar]

thank you.

anyways, sharhar...i don't think people care wether it is gay or not.
if you are gay, good for you. we don't care. i think you haven't figured that we are getting annoyed. becuase we already know your gay and we needn't know more. same thing with the gay pride parade in New York, that just freaks me out...really, if your gay...you don't HAVE to spread info about you being gay.
now do you understand?

i am sorry t hat living in new york with gay people freaks you out. about me having "to spread info" about my gay identity, don't tell people about your straight identity. for example, don't tell people that you have a wife, only that you have partner.

"now do you understand"?

--shahar

[shahar]

Wow! I am surprised from all the reaction!

what did i do here?

for me, the big success of this thread, that all of you came here to answer seriously.

As a gay man, i want to raise the level of discussion of the gay issue.


For example, I placed here several images that dealt with the subject of the gay family. and many people here got a little hot due to the controversiality and complex, sensitive and difficult nature of the subject at hand.

also, in my believe, gay people contribute in this manner, we stretch the boundaries that society places on man and the representation of him.

i applaud all peoples, regardless of sexuality. and i am a big fan of many artists, including keith herring.

much thanks for all the comments. and let's keep up the discussion.

--shahar
Gay art forum (http://www.gaypaintings.com/forum)


Below, you will see more aggressive imagery. (Viewer discretion advised)

http://www.eitantal.com/portfolio/images/05.jpg
Got mlk? She sure did! :-)






http://www.gaypaintings.com/144/30/1_1_b.gif
Man giving birth and bringing new life into the world. (Who knows what will happen in 10 years?) This is not a new concept. In fact, Gov (CA) Arnold Schwartzenagger played with this idea in a movie.



http://www.gayart.biz/baron_wihelm/glo48.jpg
Wilhelm von Gloeden - one of the most famous gay-icon photographers in the world. the photo was taken around 1890. during these times, noone took pictures like this during this period. in fact, he was arrested for his portrayal of the male nude in photography. Later, National Geographic bought his works for displays for "oriental" symbolism.

[Steph Laberis]

Shahar: Believe me when I say that I support the cause and motives for gay art. I think that some members have a point about the purpose of gay art on this site... Yes, this forum is the lounge and we cover a more diverse range of topics for the purpose of discussion. But in terms of artwork, the vast majority of the artwork displayed on conceptart.org is primarily geared towards the sci-fi/fantasy/illustration industry and is far less political or self-expressive as the work you are showing us. This is part of the reason people may feel annoyed at this thread, because the work you have posted here can feel exclusive and out of place. That and the bulk of members here are, in fact, of the hetero male persuasion.

I speak only for myself when I say that the subject matter, though at times is displayed as cliche, doesn't bother me and that I think it has a home in the world - maybe just not on this site. I understand your goal of spreading your message and as much as people may be sick of having other people's sexuality thrown in their faces, I've been told that many, many gays are sick of having their thoughts and expressions "shoved onto the back burner."

I know you don't expect a welcoming embrace from all. My fear is that the messages you're trying to send may not only fall on deaf ears here, but be misinterpreted as well.

What was your original intent when you started this thread?

[Hanuka]

i agree with mike on this issue. some of this is rather vulgar - beit the art itself or your comments on it. i don't see much artistic value in most of this pieces, besides maybe the shock value.
it seems, most of these artists just want to segregate themselves from heterosexual artists by labeling themselves with a cliché ... which is kinda dumb. this got little to do with emancipation.

[Scratch N' Brain]

Shahar...out of all the responses your getting can you please be a little more open minded. Out of the last post you made you quoted only Muffin man and took what he said out of context. Look at what everybody else is saying instead of choosing the one to reply to thats easy to criticise for only your side of the whole ordeal. I dont see what your getting from this? What are you trying to prove? Almost everyone in this forum dont mind gay people. Why dont you look at Anarchys posts and reply to them?

All im asking is to stop being so defensive.

Edit: I erased the last part of this paragraph because it wouldnt have done any good so if anyone read it just ignore it

Edit edit: BAH! screw it im tired of lurking in this lounge area I need to do draw and practice more i can care less about this subject....

[N D Hill]

why is that guy shitting out a baby? This is friggin hilarious man. Being an art student, I'm used to seeing pretentious bullshit but this takes the cake.

[Chяis]

You shouldn't have skipped my post it was informative you know... :zzz:


Any ways I'm sixteen, a warning would be nice for the nudity, I don't personally care because this is an art forum but some might.


Mrs. Milk, well it's not really gay now is it?

Man giving birth, sorry but that made me laugh.

Gay guys posing naked, so what's the point? Just saying, you could go to Europe and see this along the beach and it's not concidered gay.

[jetpack42]

My roommate made a good point. This whole 'gay art' scene is really a benefit to anyone just striving to be good, because it lessens the competition. A forum where people could go to speak about thier art and whatnot is fine, but when you label yourself as a "gay artist", basically you just end up preaching to the choir. Much akin to "native american art", where a handful of people doing it are skilled, the rest of the 'expression of the culture' is indistinquishable from gradeschool fingerpaints of Thanksgiving.

Another thing I find funny is your idea that "any conversation is good conversation" about gay (subject). Let me break it down for you. The majority of people find homosexuality...unsettling, lets say. So you're going to show them a bunch of images that will make them..unsettled. Then when they say "wow, I was right, this IS unsettling!", you say "well, they are talking about it, thats a good thing." This is akin to me telling somebody they sucked, and them telling me "well, you had to think about me to think it!". How does this benefit the gay community?

Furthermore, most, if any, of the works shown fail to show the human side of the lifestyle, something non-homosexual people could relate to. Basically, when viewing, you get a sense that "WOW THIS IS GAY ART!", and nothing more. (preaching to the choir)

It's cool though, I don't think for a second that you represent the homosexual community, or any of the gay people I've been friends with or known. You can continue to post work if you want, so people can keep saying "aside from really having little to no worthwhile meaning, this artwork is just painstakingly bad!". But I guess if they weren't discussing how horribly it sucked, you couldn't advance as a culture.

I don't expect you to respond to this post either, since I made some good points (again).

[cotron]

I think an artist's work should be the primary focus, and their personal lives secondary.

If a painting's good, it doesn't matter who made it, which gender they prefer, or if they prefer toasted subs over untoasted. The work is still good.

Conversely, if it's crap, you can't throw your personal life as a label onto it and expect people's visual tastes to change with it. Crap is still crap, even if it's crap made by a gay man. I could make art with the label of "tattooed person art" because I'm heavily tattooed, but it wouldn't save me if the stuff I was making was no good.

[Presence]

As I am in art school I see a growing trend in Gay artists expecting elitism.

I am still in awe that "homosexual" is an art catagorization. I think that because of what has taken place in the mid to late 90's especially in women there has been a general acceptance growing to homosexuality and with that there is a growing need of providing one's identity with a public label.

I don't believe that there should be specific emphasis placed on the sexuality of the artist.

But what happens then to heterosexuals who produce work which displays homosexuality?

[0kelvin]

Much akin to "native american art", where a handful of people doing it are skilled, the rest of the 'expression of the culture' is indistinquishable from gradeschool fingerpaints of Thanksgiving.


This is pretty much the case in any area of art, and even art as a whole.

Otherwise, there are a few good points you bring up. A lot of this art really isn't that good, or at least appealing to me (of course, I'm not exactly the target audience). I think the strongest pieces are mainly photos.

I think conversation and debate are inherently good, because if people are talking about something, that means they're thinking about something (although some internet debates have given me my doubts). For a minority group, being ignored is almost as bad as being persecuted. If the homosexuals were to just sit back and try to fit in, they'd never get any of the things they've been fighting for.



0kelvin

[Lono]

come on guys.. maybe sometimes "your oppinions" on other peoples life styles and choices of expression is not really needed.. if you dont agree with it or think its crap just move on..

this guys doesnt want to be a concept artist.. hes just looking for other gay artistst to join his forum.. try to have some respect for the subject matter which he chooses to express in his art.. it doesnt matter if you think its limiting him as an artist,, its what he wants to express and that should be enough.. im sure most of you are getting worked up because of its "in your face" nature but thats the point, and your making yourselfs look silly by reacting to it.. and dont even start with the nudity crap. ive seen waaaay worse on this forum but it usually envolves tittys so its ok to you guys.
and if you think this art is pretentious or have any other negative associations asside from its rendering execution and general tecnique, you should show some discipline and keep those to yourself aswell..
are we going to start ripping into every artist on these bords whos art we find pretentious or weak in substance? or just the gay ones? i thought we all had more tact than that here.
we all have our own personal ideas of what art is, aswell as its function in our lives and society,, and i really dont want to get into THAT discussion,, but keep in mind that each persons opinion on this is unique and should be honored. afterall,, we are all motivated to create in some way or another and our motivations are unique.. this person probably wants to achive something with his art that is very different than what most of you want to achieve.. lets be respectful and leave him to it.


now! lets all go back to expanding our artistic vocabulary with more drawings of wizards robots and vikings!! weeee! ;)

-Lono

[Presence]

but it usually envolves tittys so its ok

I second anything involving titties as being very ok :canadapatriot:

[shahar]

more artworks from gay art forum (http://www.gaypaintings.com/forum)



http://img.photosight.ru/2005/01/09/723445.jpg





http://www.gaypaintings.com/new_pictures/Relax1.jpg



http://www.chrislambertsen.com/jpegs/gay/harbourhamburg.jpg




http://www.gaypaintings.com/images/naive/menkissing.jpg





http://img.photosight.ru/2004/01/10/384994.jpg





http://www.gaypaintings.com/new_pictures/thinkingman.jpg




http://www.bildmaterial.ch/images/miguel01.jpg





more artworks from gay art forum (http://www.gaypaintings.com/forum)




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[Uziel]

-Why are you posting all those pictures(in the wrong section) if you already have a forum? Posting a link would have been sufficiant.

-Why you keep posting them when a lot of members seems to disaprove this type of art. (it's not concept art, bad interpretations,...)

-Why are your not participating in the discussion? This is the "Lounge" so please reply with full sentences not with JPG files.

-> For me this thread starts to look like spam/protest for your forum and for gays/lesbians...

I'm sure some gays,lesb. won't like this...

[dogfood]

Bored shahar? Still looking to find people who will denounce your lifestyle and further justify your feeling of persecution? If you (if you're an artist), or any of the other artists who post on your site were really interested in serious critiques, they would come in and post in the regular art sections. Of course, with your rather offensive comment directed at the integrity of the membership and your ignorance of the site:
...you fail to discuss composition, color coding/cues, iconography, and usage form.
it's obvious you don't respect the people here. It's as if you're looking for people to reply with negative feedback in order to feed your martyr complex.

Good luck with that.

[corky13]

Martyr Complex
This is exactly what i thought of. He/She even reposted a picture that have been posted before (on the first page of the thread -,-)

This forum makes no differences between hetero and homosexual artists. Its the art that will be discussed. And i think i dont have to say more -,-

[NoSeRider]

Gay art just seems to promote being gay.

I find that I think of myself as a craftsman, not promoting an agenda.

However, the craft I want to promote is concept design.....I'm not certain that's an agenda?

I think gay art seems to be too narrow of a focus. Eventually, you think less about sexuality and want to expand upon other ideas.......you can continue thinking about sexuality, but personally I don't wanna look at my penis all day......or anybody elses for that matter.

When I was younger I made alot of drawings of naked women......I got tired of it. I think you can get tired of drawing naked men all day too.

[fixx]

I'd have never thought this was gay art if you hadn't told me. Okay, the sailors one, I get but still..
Most of the paintings appear kind of high school, low in quality, colour screaming at us, hurting my eyes. And the photos, are they from tchotchke stores or pesonal ads? I've seen a million and one version of the melon thing, one even had a yawning kitty (cute!).
Is it gay because it is of nude men? In that case everyone during the Rennaissance was gay! If you are posting gay art, make sure the art tells us that, not you. Sort of like the Show, Don't Tell thing in literature. Warnings of nudity would be nice too, since we usually lable "straight" art too here.

[Steph Laberis]

Well, to toss in another 2 cents...

I'm agreeing that this is borderlining on the side of spam at this point, especially with the author's lack of discussion, but I still won't condemn or ignore it's general importance.

I mean, really. You guys are being quick to assume that this is the ONLY thing the artists draw/paint/photograph. It's a small, small fraction of people who label themselves as "professional queers" and I won't believe that every artist who's work we've seen in this post sits at home all day and thinks, "Wow! How can I be even more gay today?"

Being well aware of "crutches", martyrism and the like, which are all very real issues with any sort or niche art, I'm still all about this kind of expression because it serves a great need of visibility for the artist.

But, does it belong on a specialized board like CA? Maybe not. Could it help some of the artists who identify as gay on this site find another forum which may provide a safe and relevant place for more specialized, sexual artwork? Sure.

I sort of would like to see someone post a gay-themed bit of concept art here, a piece that seriously meets all the "requirements" of concept art that just happens to center around two gay characters or something. Just to shake things up.

[figure2]

What surprises me about this forum is that although you are all more focused on sexuality, you fail to discuss composition, color coding/cues, iconography, and usage form.shahar,

The reason no one was discussing these points was because you presented the work as "gay" art. In doing so, you emphasized that the fact the work was done by a gay artist was the most important aspect of it and everything else was secondary. The previous posters were taking their lead from you and the way you presented the work. I also don't feel you should insult other posters when you don't like the direction the discussion takes.

[madster]

There no longer is any importance to these "works" beyond that of a Forum Troll poking us with his little stick.

What's funny, though is how this thread ended up right back where it started, with a twist.

The posting of this stuff, here, after all that's been said is so totally gay, and I mean gay with full rainbow flag text and sparklers.
What I don't mean is gay as in happy, or gay as a good thing...
Think of SouthPark and Cartman...
It's now denegrated its own design to become a pathetic parody of everything it was supposed to rise above...
Any alternative lifestyle individual who discovers that forum and is tempted to express their artistic efforts in a manner like this will truly be a person with socialization issues.

Well done, Shahar. You've now proven you're your own worst bigot, exploiting who you are. Just for shock value...uh-huh...I guess you can be proud of yourself for something, here...
Post more totally sad gay art!

[Red_Rook]

I sort of would like to see someone post a gay-themed bit of concept art here, a piece that seriously meets all the "requirements" of concept art that just happens to center around two gay characters or something. Just to shake things up.

see shahar, now theres an idea, and how about, i know this is a totally wild idea, but what if, just imagine what if:
theartistswhoacctuallymadetheworkposteditinthearts ectionthemselves!
now isnt that a totally out of this world wild idea, bet no one else thought of that, i know it sounds a little crazy, but imagine the possibilites, if it was done!
[/octopus helmet]

Maybe then you would get some serious crits, thats you seem to be asking for, on pieces of work (this part totally escapes me) that arent even yours! Also you havent joined a discussion you seem to want to prompt at all, instead your just doing, what classifies as spamming a forum. Its beyond me what exactly your trying to achieve.

[CaptainInsano]

post more lesbian stuff

[0kelvin]

Gay art is great, I fully support the idea of it. However, you've crossed into spam-land. If the artists want to post their own work in the proper sections, or you want to actually discuss the issue, then that would be fine. Try to show a little respect for the forum (even if a lot of people here haven't shown you much).




0kelvin

[rick_hershey]

I wasn't going to say anything (of course all of us probably said this) but I suppose what bothers me the most is the apparent intended nature of this thread. I'm all for gay & lesbian art, just like I'm all for fantasy and sci-fi. . .but is the point of this thread other then to cause problems.
I come here to look at art, I don't care if the artist is straight or gay, hell I don't even know if most of you are male or female. . .and that's fine by me. I'd rather judge the work, not the artist.

And for the record, i posted some gay art here and nobody said a thing. . .it was a necromancer summoning some zombies. . .male zombies.

[John]

I thought your zombies were pretty hot.

[s.ketch]

I havnt read the entire thread, but i did read just about the entire first page. This is my opinion on the matter.

Gay/lesbian art shouldnt be a category. Its like saying "We want to be equal and be the same as all the strait folks out there, but we want to be catorgorized." It just makes no sense. Im fat, does that mean I should start a 'Fat Artist' category?
I really dont think sexual orientation has anything to do with EVERY peice created. If a strait person and a gay person drew a robot, you probaly couldnt tell which one was drawn buy the gay person.
Now personal art is different. I beleive sombody brought up the 'scandly clad' women thing, SOME strait guys tend to draw those from time to time, I do. But if you work for a comic company and your a woman, and the boss wants a scandaly clad women on his desk, youre gonna draw it and you better do a good job on it whether you have sex with women or not.
The word homosexual dosnt mean loving the same sex, it means having sex with the same sex. So if you are a guy who loves a guy, and you paint somthing to show your love, then there is no problem with that, but you shouldnt be considred special from anyother artist who was strait and drew the women they loved.
And finally, if youre gay and you wanna draw/paint/sculpt naked men(or women) just because its erotic, then there is a category for that, its called pornography.

[Qitsune]

All the crap and negativity in this thread is the reason why there is a need for 'gay art'. All those self proclaimed open minded artists who get queezy when seeing two guys kissing are a good reason to keep doing gay art. Some of you are such hypocrites it scares me.

The comment about double standard is true. You people draw about stuff that interests you, chicks in bikini chainmail, dragons and big marines a lot of the time, if someone were to post serious work of stuff that interests many gay persons they would probably get shot in flames.

I agree that being gay doesn't mean you have to draw naked guys, but it doesn't mean you can't. When everyone can see art like that and appreciate it for the skills of the artist without reacting to the subject, there won't be any need for gay art, and beleive me, there won't be any gay labeled art.

[SJ Bennighof]

And if you want people to not judge your art because of labels, don't put a label on it. You call it "gay art". What comes out Pandora's Box is Pandora's fault.

[Summer Pudding]

Some of you guys here are definitely typing one handed. I don't know much about gay art, but I do know the only name that springs to mind is Tom of Finland.

WARNING! THIS GUY'S WORK IS TOTALLY GAY, NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED, BUT FUN

From what I can gather, he single handedly created the leather boy look, sometime in the 40s or 50s. I could be wrong here...

http://www.chez.com/pipa/tomoffinland.htm

Pud'

[Qitsune]

I totally forgot about him, he's great! And doesn't take himself seriously. He's the Vargas of gay pinups.

[Summer Pudding]

I totally forgot about him, he's great! And doesn't take himself seriously. He's the Vargas of gay pinups.

Vargas?

Yeah, Tom of Finland rocks. Even this dyed in the wool hetero can appreciate the artistry and humour in his pics. A brave man, considering the period he was working in.

Pud'

[Odds]

I agree with most of the other people... it's stupid that you fight for equality and such, and then make art forums that separate gays and lesbians from "heteros."

[gasmask]

i thinks its more a matter of the fact that gays and lesbians want to separate themselves more ite seems, like they want more attention for the choice in lifestyle, it doesnt really bother me but i dont see why it has to be called "gay"art and not just art. isnt it all the same?

[SteveO]

i thinks its more a matter of the fact that gays and lesbians want to separate themselves more ite seems, like they want more attention for the choice in lifestyle

Not all the gays and lesbians, just this guy.

Think about it, CA has over 20'000 members so statistically there is a very good chance some of your favourite artists are queer as a nine pound note but they don't seem to associate themselves with the cheap martyr complex tactics so prevalent in this thread, I assume they prefer to let their art do the talking rather than a label they ( or someone else ) attached to it.

It's been said before in this thread but very few people have problems with the posting of "Gay art" ( other than the fact it's in the wrong section ) , the objections are mostly based on the fact that it's not very good.

Someone start a gay pinup, CA versus "Gay art forum" Thunderdome or something, that might be funny.

[egerie]

:cheerleader: Not all the gays and lesbians, just this guy.

Think about it, CA has over 20'000 members so statistically there is a very good chance some of your favourite artists are queer as a nine pound note but they don't seem to associate themselves with the cheap martyr complex tactics so prevalent in this thread, I assume they prefer to let their art do the talking rather than a label they ( or someone else ) attached to it.
Tsk tsk SteveO you're scaring the kids now. ;)

By the way shahar, nice way to revive a thread. So in my books you a) don't parcipate in the discution but spam with images. b) you don't put a nudity warning in your title as everyone does and c) you give us a bad reputation by being insensitive (or brash?). Come on and start talking or do something progressive for once. At least in the old days activists knew how to be constructive... :nohope:

[waronmars]

why must all the hot guys be gay? i wanna see some disgusting morbidly obese gay people...wait, no i don't.

[JERI]

I just like to see some really hot girls being lesbians.

I fantasize about Keria Knightley humping Zhang Ziyi, I am not ashamed.

[bizarre]

http://www.capturemode.com/image/prints/erotic/big/e33.jpg

i wonder if that flower tastes good. he seems to be enjoying it. i want one too.

anyway, i have a broken Gaydar. i don't know what's gay and what's not, i just know i'm not... and that's all i need to know. it's like, i don't feel like i need to prove it. it's not a big issue, whatever.

as for artists trying to use whatever about themselves they can say is out of the ordinary as their identity, i think that's a load of crap. c'mon... who cares if michaelangelo was gay, or that leonardo da vinci was gay, or whatever. it all comes down to great art. this stuff posted above seems pretty poppy, i mean some of it looks decent but it all seems pretty poppy, short lived, whatever. statement art... whatever. that's not my point.

one reason i can think of anyone seeking out gay and lesbian art is to meet gay and lesbian artists. because a homosexual artist and a heterosexual artist will more than likely draw a portrait the same way, draw a still life the same way, and so on. if you ask them to paint what's in front of them, they probably will end up painting something quite similar.

i'm on a high dose of muscle relaxers right now, so bear with me on this.

i just find it silly for people to think their art will get more recognition and fame, or perhaps be judged by a different standard because they're gay. that's like saying your grades in school are affected by the color of your shoes. irrelevent, in my opinion.

irrelevent.

actually, he said it better- http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=403360&postcount=12

[Qitsune]

Vargas?

Yeah, Tom of Finland rocks. Even this dyed in the wool hetero can appreciate the artistry and humour in his pics. A brave man, considering the period he was working in.

Pud'

Alberto Vargas. You've seen his stuff, you just don't know yet.

[Summer Pudding]

Alberto Vargas. You've seen his stuff, you just don't know yet.

Just Googled him. Does this qualify as lesbian art then? I'm not seeing any dungarees or lumberjack shirts.

ONLY KIDDING!

:rolleyes:

Pud'

[Monkeylizard]

Hi, this my first post and I agree with most of the comments,especially Winjer. I was thinking about starting some new forums. How about;
Former Drummers Art Forum
I Used To Be A Doorman But Now I Paint Art Forum
I'm Married and Have Kid's Art Forum
I'm Straight, I Swear Art Forum
I'm Not Gay and I Paint Art Forum
Just a thought.....

There's the answer to the thread.
kthnxbye :S

[Rkhon]

I for one think that this thread is....








Super!!!
http://www.southparkquotes.com/images/al.gif

Silly spammer.

I'm not against gays, do what you want. I love getting compliments from the guys at Banana Republic and other clothing stores/places. Just trying to lighten up the mood here before anyone tries to get all serious and start up their heterosexual hating flame-guns.

[Johann de Venecia]

i just find it silly for people to think their art will get more recognition and fame, or perhaps be judged by a different standard because they're gay. that's like saying your grades in school are affected by the color of your shoes. irrelevent, in my opinion.

I agree with this statement. Somehow I find it odd that people like you, Shahar, would still choose to do this publicity stunt. I know several people from this site who would rather not have their sexual preference disclosed publicly because they want to be judged for the work that they do, no flavor added.

Just post the art and leave it at that.

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I cant bother reading this crap, but just a couple things. First off, I saw the thread, so slap on a warning, I dont care but someone might. Secondly, this is doing nothing but this is just making the situation on gay rights WORSE. God, this is making it all worse, this is spreading stereotypes about gay people further and further. Sailors, cops, leather shit and all this other crap. Besides, half of the stuff in here has nothing to do with gay, its just naked people. The girl with milk, girl giving blowjobs are straight, so what does this have to do with anything? Stop begging for attention and using your sexual orientation as a little shield from learning actual skills.

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Gayart! Straightart! Hers sum down home country boy honky art. Oh, please crit. :tihi:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/Sc00ba/Concept%20Art%20posts/95394342.jpg

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You see.. now THIS I would find to be really offensive. It feels as if you're alienating heterosexuals as if they're some kind of big bad monster who is going to ban you're "gay art". If someone ever made a "heterosexual art" forum though, gay people would eb all up in some kind of bizarre outrage. The door swings both ways, you know. The double standards are ridiculous. I'm sick of this "We just want to be treated equally crap." Then going off and making shit up like "Gay Art." What the hell makes your art gay? Do two male brushes sleep together during the course of your painting? It's just like these "Filipino BasketBalls Leagues". If someone ever made a "White Person BBall League" everyone would throw a fucking tantrum over it. I may be on a rant here.. but this kind of things piss me off. If you don't want to be treated differently, than stop trying to segregate yourself!!

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You see.. now THIS I would find to be really offensive. It feels as if you're alienating heterosexuals as if they're some kind of big bad monster who is going to ban you're "gay art". If someone ever made a "heterosexual art" forum though, gay people would eb all up in some kind of bizarre outrage. The door swings both ways, you know. The double standards are ridiculous. I'm sick of this "We just want to be treated equally crap." Then going off and making shit up like "Gay Art." What the hell makes your art gay? Do two male brushes sleep together during the course of your painting? It's just like these "Filipino BasketBalls Leagues". If someone ever made a "White Person BBall League" everyone would throw a fucking tantrum over it. I may be on a rant here.. but this kind of things piss me off. If you don't want to be treated differently, than stop trying to segregate yourself!!



You and jetpack hit my feelings precisely. The world is becoming tiring with a lot of the simpering that goes on. This subject is very close to (but not exactly the same as and I am not speaking for anyone else here) the notion of "...... Pride" here in the US. We have Native Pride, African-American (which is impossible and wrong because 1) Dual citizenship is frowned upon and 2) There are black people from all over the world, it is labeling to assume every black person in America is a citizen, many are students and visitors) Pride and Polka-Dotted Striped Gazelle Pride but if I were to take pride in my family from Europe I would, not through intention but via "political correctness" be stamped some sort of Nazi white supremacist zealot (which would contradict both my social work with foreign people coming to America and the fact I have friends of every color from all over that I can count on and can count on me), I believe that the "..... Pride" movement is based on agendas more than actual individuals and social progress, but that is just my opinion. I am a third generation American, my family didn't have slaves or hunt Indians in the Old West, but I do love the wilderness, myths and legends of my nordic ancestry. But it would be bad, because of social engineering, to state my opinion.

Which boils down to my point; I don't care who you are, who you sleep with, what gear is between your legs, what skin pigment you were born with or what country you came from, you should have the right to take pride in who you are and express that pride without forcing others to see your point of view (either personally or through legislation/social pressure). There is nothing wrong with being gay, I have no problem with a person's sexual orienation, but I don't feel that some of the more extreme pictures should have been posted in the thread anymore than a hetereosexual couple should have been depicted, and that is about respect, I wouldn't post the equivalent of the man giving birth for several reasons, not the least of which reason being that it is not respectful to people with different sexual preferences. Expressing yourself should be more about taking pride and educating yourself on the topic that you want to take pride in and less about waving a flag drawing attention and labeling yourself.

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