DSG 327: Environment: Killing fields of Choeung Ek(Cambodia)

[dsg bot]

Today's topic is: Environment: Killing fields of Choeung Ek(Cambodia)

[lance]

the post were they
were bound and shot
quick painting in photoshop
25 min

http://images2.deviantart.com/i/2004/04/d/e/killing_fields.jpg

http://images2.deviantart.com/i/2004/04/e/7/killig_fields.jpg

[lance]

hey do i have a little red x instead of a pic ?

[lance]

hence the smoke spirt skulls in my image

[Hunger_Artist]

part I

http://members.tripod.com/carlbeu/71780f40.jpg


everything about the composition is already here.. everything else is just extra detail :)

edit: or so I thought.. the bodies ended up looking like tires..

http://members.tripod.com/carlbeu/7185d2c0.jpg

[xaviuzz]

http://xaviuzz.suckyjacky.com/imgforo/dsgkill.jpg

[merd]

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/merd84/dsg/skull.jpg

my first one in here; i hope it won't be the last:)
just a 20 min sketch

[lance]

or did some of the drawings in here take after mine
so strange
lol i started a art fad
l;o:D

[Blunder]

It's my first post and first thingy here to :D Oh.. Done in Oc3. If you want the event file contact me :)

First try at an environment btw.
http://blender.bytecon.co.uk/chung5.jpg
40mins

[xaviuzz]

http://xaviuzz.suckyjacky.com/imgforo/dsgkill2.jpg

[HexKrak]

http://67.170.157.129/mydevdir/graphics/killingfields.jpg

Hopfuly I'll get a chance to work on this, more, later.

[brianl]

not necessarily the killing fields themselves...just Pol Pot in front of a collage of his handiwork.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/artbybrian/forums/killing_fields.jpg

[Withdrawn]

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~cuch/post/killingfield.JPG

Not very well researched but anywhoo....

[plaf]

nothing but bad images come to my mind when thinking of cambodia :(

http://www.skjoldbroder.dk/gfx/24bit/cambodia.jpg

[Defunct]

Here's my "ripoff"

http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Defunct/ChoeungEk.jpg

[Signature]

Read that there's a $2 fee.

About 15 minutes ...
http://www.andyart.de/images/oldandbad/dsg/killingfields.jpg

[Beatnik]

http://www.zmans.com/misc/dsg_327.jpg


This one bummed me out. I need to go watch Nemo again and get out of this mood. :o

[shadoman]

I just saw Apocalypse Now for the first time last weekend and it was very inspiring of the picture. I didn't have the time for the bodies hanging from the branches...

Pencil sketch while waiting for my car at the shop and the color done in Painter. I have not drawn a landscape in many, many years...

http://www.shawnadomanis.com/dsg/dsg327.jpg


Defunct - Very nice colors!
Plaf - makes me want to talk to my dad about Nam.
MIKECORRIERO - very nice and stylized. And thanks for the great topic too!

Tomorrow is another day.

[charge]

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~cuch/post/cambo.JPG:firedevil

[DV8]

another really really quick one.... scary subject. This is a thumbnail sketch that I would start a full size piece from:

charge: very cool

http://www.mikephillips.ca/dsg/dsg_327_killing_fields_cambodia copy.jpg

[bkmini]

rough topic guys,

googled it and found this (http://img.iskon.hr/kl/2002/10/07/0002032v.jpg) picture of some of the victims.

something about the girl in it really struck me. I tried to sketch it, but the photograph is still more powerful I think. heres the sketch:


http://www.bradkurz.com/cambodia.jpg

[molo]

http://gideondesign.com/misc/dsg/dsg327.jpg

[2kre8]

I think you would find this in the Killing fields of Choeung Ek

http://take2.250free.com/mancolor.jpg

[nBT]

http://www.mattijsart.com/dsg/dsg327killingfields.jpg
great topic. realy fast sketch. 20 mins referece used. those are the souls of the 8000 dead in the stupa flying out. (i dunno why i did that).

bkimi: like it. i found em too, all faces petrified, some proud, weird.
signature: 2$ entrance. its sick like some mac donalds. lot of traval and tourist sites on google too
i like: charche beatnik and mikecorrieros the rest: great work.
keep at the dsg. its helping you although not instantly noticable.
and what is with all the new guys popping in saying 'hello' and 'ill post every day' and then never come back?

i would also like some days with a chosen topic (instead of a random one or a topic with explanation like this one. could that be posible? davi ? mtom?

[Atomick]

http://www.atomick.net/conceptArtForum/cambodianGhost.jpg

-Atomick

[Marcatili]

hey guys,
while this thread is probably old by now seeing as you're on a daily basis and all I still thought I'd put in a word...also, I don't really wanna make a big deal over it but it seems like this is a pretty 'rough' topic as bkmini put it- maybe a bit inappropriate for a quick sketch thing...
I guess my hang up is that it's easy to dismiss and trivialise events that don't personally effect us- instead they can become like gory stories and not much more...the idea of 'The Killing Fields' even as a name may be cool in a movie or something but the reality of the Killing Fields in Cambodia are that men, women and children were killed brutally for no reason in front of their own families and then dropped in pits stacked with other corpses, some of these people were still alive and bled to death trapped between the corpses of their father and their sister (for example)...
I'm not suggesting that art should not be made that explores these themes and these true historical events but to do that in the framework of a 20 minute sketch (as a general time, not attempting to single anyone out) seems potentially disrespectful and trivializing...

Just felt I had to share that...if you disagree, please respond, i'm open to any defences of the topic, but please don't flame me just cause I have a different opinion.

Thanks

Btw, I actually thought some of the sketches were quite good considering the tough topic.

[William b. Hand]

Although I agree with you that this was a very heavy a topic for the DSG, I disagree with you in your suggestion that it was in anyway trivialized ("it's easy to dismiss and trivialise events that don't personally effect us- instead they can become like gory stories and not much more..")

Frankly I was impressed at the sober and sincere attempts to pay this topic real respect shown by everyone, and -- despite the opportunity for depicting truly gory scenes based on all the literature, and the fact that showing the graphic brutality could be VERY appropriate -- NOBODY took that route. Instead, recognizing the gravity of the topic -- even if not well-versed on the entire history of it -- everyone sought a solution using their hurt, and heart, as a guide. Any event of this magnitude should personally affect us, for most people have sympathy for the suffering of other people, and our proximity is only limited by our understanding.

Although it might seem an innapropriately dour topic for a forum such as this, there is something to be said for trying to communicate a response to such atrocities as this: It demands some measured thought about the particular situation (and research), and it demands an involvement on a "human" level in terms of your own emotional response to the subject and how you might convey something of that to Joe Viewer.

If you're not keen on a topic such as this, it's easy enough to respectfully bow out of the DSG for a day, just as it is when you've had one to many spaceships. I found myself so saddened by what I read in my research that I simply didn't feel like drawing... Which, incidentally, brings up my feeling that there is no disrespect whatsoever in "remembering" something this vastly tragic...

To the contrary: THE most respectful thing that can be done is to remember and learn about such things. "Never Forget..." is a phrase that has been used as many times as there have been great human sufferings, and I think there is honor in bringing this story into our "daily" lives. I was unaware of the Khmer Rouge -- other than its name -- and the research I did for this was an education. It's something that I continued to think about, and led to some discussion with others outside of the ConceptART/web realm. I suspect I am not alone.

I don't mean to get on a soapbox rant about it, but I was impressed with the care and seriousness that I think everybody approached this topic with, and I feel the need to both point that out, and to defend it. I know your words were grounded only in the right concern that such things be given great respect, and I feel you will realize that - after all - such respect was in fact given and no dishonor done.

Good job, guys.

[Marcatili]

Thanks Mr Hand,
Thanks for responding evenly with consideration to the concerns I raised, as well as the artists who took part in the DSG.
I didnt intend to insult any of the artists who took part so I hope I didnt come across that way.
I agree with the idea that atrocities such as these demand a response as artists and human beings and art is a perfectly valid way of communicating that response to others.
In considering your reply I agree that in this case the subject matter was handled well and I'm glad that some may have learned more about Cambodia through it- if that's the case then this topic has done far more good than harm and I'm happy for that.

Thanks again

[DV8]

Originally posted by expat
Thanks Mr Hand,
Thanks for responding evenly with consideration to the concerns I raised, as well as the artists who took part in the DSG.
I didnt intend to insult any of the artists who took part so I hope I didnt come across that way.
I agree with the idea that atrocities such as these demand a response as artists and human beings and art is a perfectly valid way of communicating that response to others.
In considering your reply I agree that in this case the subject matter was handled well and I'm glad that some may have learned more about Cambodia through it- if that's the case then this topic has done far more good than harm and I'm happy for that.

Thanks again

Dude, I am insulted. Are you even an artist? how can you even suggest that just because someone may have done a 20 min sketch of something that this would mean that the subject was trivialized???? You need to take some art history and art theory dude. I cant believe that you even made an issue of this on this forum- this is a sketch group not a political discussion forum or human behavior forum for that matter. And to even suggest that anyones efforts trivialized the subject is too much. If you have some personal issues please dont try to address them here and insult others in the process. thanks,

Mike

[William b. Hand]

I feel that:
expat's intentions were decent (although misplaced) expat has retracted the original statement There's no reason to remain bent out of shape about this
There's every reason to be at ease about this
And finally... Often, when dealing with a topic that stirs emotions in us, our vision can become somewhat clouded and we can see things that aren't there and we can miss things that are there. We have all experienced this, and likely will continue to, because we're human and we're fallible.

That's that. No maliciousness was ever intended, an error has been addressed, and I think the issue should now be closed.

Thanks.

[Marcatili]

Thanks again Mr Hand,
Yes, I agree that my original post was really nothing more than misplaced concern. I have also agreed that art is a perfectly valid way of exploring and responding to the world around us, regardless of the subject matter.
Again, DV8, I am sorry if you're offended by my original post and the feeling that I perhaps 'hijacked' or misused the DSG forum, however I do believe that historical events such as the one in question and even art itself should encourage us to discuss the way it makes us feel.
I haven't got anything more to say about the topic and agree that the topic is best closed.

Thanks

[DV8]

thanks to both of you. (for diffusing the matter, and for the apology). I really hope this deal wont result in future topics being censored.

thanks again,

Mike