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Blackarts
January 14th, 2004, 02:12 AM
Think I'm almost finished with this....anyone have any feedback - positive or negative?

http://members.shaw.ca/dmandryk/Assets/Images/portfolio%20images/goatman_small.jpg

JFS
January 14th, 2004, 02:30 AM
While the eyes and the mouth aren't particulary pretty(or stylish, or frightening) I simply adore everything else. Great work!

CsakiP
January 14th, 2004, 02:34 AM
Really nice. My only suggestion is that currently (nearly) everything is brown. You might change the background to somewhat cooler color or desaturate it a bit.

Seraph
January 14th, 2004, 02:47 AM
my only suggestion would be as csakip said, to "cool" off the background.

Otherwise it's really nice.

Skank
January 14th, 2004, 04:02 AM
wow
i like this alot!
im assuming youre going to sparken up the rocks and such, but this is great work, very well done!

Fozzybar
January 14th, 2004, 04:46 AM
i am with scrawneh....the eyes could be more vicious!

He looks a little bit tired currently...i also could imagine the head without hte eyes, just with the eye-sockets...

Awesome technique and skills nevertheless! :thumbsup:

Theo
January 14th, 2004, 06:02 AM
totally agree with the eyes. make em more... pissed off..
the rest of the image deserves it. Great color mood!

I checked out your website, man youve done some cool stuff.

Kryaus
January 14th, 2004, 09:29 AM
Wow . I always look forward to seeing your posts. For my to cents

The head & torso area have a lot of clarity but as your eye travels down it gets fuzzy. for me that is distracting a bit.

On the creatures back end I could not tell if that is a tail or a tattered cloak. If it is a tail it looks reptialian but you don't have any other reptile elements on the critter

That's all from the peanut gallery. Can't wait to see it finished & what your next piece is.. Maybe a the Mino Vs the undead thing ....wink wink nudge nudge:)

wronghand
January 14th, 2004, 10:21 AM
That's gorgeous! Like the browns personally.

The only thing I would suggest is that the head, though beautifully done, feels
stiff and sunken too deep into the shoulders. I would enlarge the head
to give it a more natural proportion and push it up from the shoulders a fair bit.
I also think turning the head slightly clockwise would give him a little extra
personality.

IMHO

W. Hand

chukw
January 14th, 2004, 10:52 AM
That's lookin' good! Nice painting, solid drawing, badass character work. Crits? I see that you're directing focus to the head- not a bad idea, but you can't abandon the lower fore portions of the body- the hands, the forward leg and hoof- even the rocky foreground need more attention. Picture it through the lens of a camera and set a depth of field. I have no problem with the overall warm theme- it gives a great mood of heat and dust. I'd also make the canvas wider so as to include the whole axe head- it would set the fig off to the side and give the composition a beter sense of balance and movement- it's currently pretty much straight-up and down, if you know what I mean.

As for all that eyewash about the shape of the eyes, etc- that's a bunch of opinion, not crit! Draw your own drawing. Can't wait to see it finished up! :chug:

Bo Degn
January 14th, 2004, 10:55 AM
sweet!

one thing though... i think you could increase the feeling of DOF by adding more detail to the rocks near the beast... that would give the idea that he is in focus and the background is out of focus...

but other then that... wery nice design of a minotaur.


keep up the good work :D


:: bodegn

Maximillion
January 14th, 2004, 11:57 AM
Wicked! I thought it was going to be a skull head, but the way he turned out is great.

I like the tension in the painting. Like any second the Dairy Queen chocolate fudge is going to pour through the chocolate mountains and drown him on the way to the peanut buster parfait!

Damn you're good!

J May
January 14th, 2004, 12:27 PM
Good stuff Black, this guy looks badass! The eyes look mean enough (beady and black as they are) but a little unfocused. Having him fix us with his unflinching glare would do the trick.

Cheers!

Blackarts
January 14th, 2004, 01:01 PM
thanks for the feedback everyone, great comments. With the eyes I was trying to go for somehing sort of dumb and bovine like, and I wanted the agression to come through with the teeth. I will play around with this a bit. As for the focus and detailing, I do like to keep things loose, but I see the points about the rocks and bottom portion of the body, I'll go back and polish those areas up a bit.

Seraph; I agree with the BG comment, I'll try some things.

Kryaus; yeah the tail is there because he is supposed to be some sort of hybrid....I'll try to make it more clear.

wronghand; I like your idea of cocking the head a bit, it might be a bit ahrd to pull off without it looking like a cut and paste job though...nevertheless I can see how it would add to the image. thanks.

Maximillion; you're making me hungry.

J May; The eyes will be getting more attention...hopefully they will inspire more fright soon.... =)

thanks guys, I'll be posting an update tonight.

SEVANS
January 14th, 2004, 02:23 PM
Love the colours, but a tiny bit of 'cooler' colour behind the figure could bring the minotaur out from the background even more.

50/50 about the eyes, he could be drawn more pissed off looking, it's up to you.

The front hoove bothers me slightly, as it seems to unfinished compared to the hair/fur right next to it and it almost blends to much into the ground.

I know that they're not that important, but a few of the rocks at the very front could be sharpened up (to create even more depth).

Overall this image is fantastic, love it, made me go straight to your site (even more great images)

shadow
January 14th, 2004, 02:26 PM
I like this alot. I think mabye teh muscles on the prominent leg are over defined a bit, but ti doesnt detract from the image. I love the detail on the face, if only the entire body had that kinda wrinkled ancient look, it would be killer. Good stuff:)

Tully
January 14th, 2004, 02:58 PM
My only suggestion that nobody else has made would be to make the axe into a labrys (double-sided axe), because that was a big symbol for the Minoan civilization, where the minotaur comes from. You don't have to, but I think it might be a nice little detail. That's just me being a greek mythology purist though. Feel free to ignore it!

Rusty Red Robot
January 14th, 2004, 03:22 PM
Cool suggestion from Tully. And I agree about the background color. But over-all, this is beautiful!

Blackarts
January 14th, 2004, 03:37 PM
That's interesting Tully....you should have seen how many different axes and weapons this guy had lol.....maces...morning stars...single sided/double sided...the whole gamut....I finally settled on this one which I'm pretty happy with. Thanks for the feedback.

Sketch
January 14th, 2004, 05:24 PM
Nice work, meng! I personally like the face, except that the perspective seems to be a bit off on his left eye. I agree with chuckw about the canvas thing. Anyways, looking forward to your next piece.

Blackarts
January 14th, 2004, 10:28 PM
Thanks for all the comments, I think it really helped get this to the next level. Here's the updated version...enjoy!

http://members.shaw.ca/dmandryk/Assets/Images/portfolio%20images/goatman_small2.jpg

Mysen
January 14th, 2004, 10:36 PM
who's you daddy... DAYUM.. yes. this is super nice. love the facr. very great structure in the character. and i have to say that is one of the best minotaur designs ive seen.

chukw
January 15th, 2004, 12:10 AM
Ass is bein' kicked, right here.

PoX
January 15th, 2004, 08:09 AM
Love it, looks awsome.

I like the wind effect on the long hair and beard. Awsome detail. The head looks a lot better in the second. I like how the shadow areas are desaturated to grey. I love the horns and top of the head, and the near hoof looks great. I like legs with the bulky upper legs makes it look like it could really speed across that terrain.The simple background looks cool and fits well with the character theme. I like the simple suggested shapes making you focus on the detailed character. The axe head is great, nice rendering but maybe make it dirtier/bloodier, he dosnt look like a tidy fellow. Also his skin is quite clean and hairless.

The shoulder pads are mounted way above his shoulders, if you follow the shape of the arm up. This makes the head look a bit low and no neck.
The backgroud should be blue or a cool colour to pop the character out more. The tail dosn't seem to match well. Maybe some more detail on the closest rocks. And remember you probably know better than me anyway...;)

Keep them comming

-The Swift-
January 15th, 2004, 08:55 AM
GReat colours dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

great concept too, the anatomy is cool, very beast like!!

ok so grreat all round!:chug:

J May
January 15th, 2004, 10:47 AM
Well done Blackarts, the changes made have subtly improved this already wicked pic.

I think you've done pretty well in your stated goal of depicting a dull witted but ferocious character, he's got that 'too thick to know pain' look.

Titan
January 15th, 2004, 11:52 AM
fantastic art man....very inspirational and kick ass...!

Kryaus
January 15th, 2004, 12:34 PM
Now thats the stuff. I like the changes & got nothin else to add:p

Blackarts
January 15th, 2004, 01:15 PM
PoX; yeah I tried that blueish BG and I just didn't like the look of it, it lost that dusty feeling....I agree with your comment about the axe - It needs to be beat up a bit more. I'll go back and tweak this I think before I send this off. This will be one of my entries into expose 2.

thanks for the valuable comments everyone.