Battle of the Sexes; Gentlemen's Topic Suggestions

[Ilaekae]

Alright, my little stud muffins, you should know how this works...

Around the beginning of September, we are going to battle with the e-VILE females of the forum in interpreting a subject as an illustration. THEY are going to come up with the topic we have to do, and it will probably be something meant to inflect as much embarrassment and emotional pain on our poor psyches as possible, so let's keep the blubbering to a minimum.

In THIS thread, you MALE entrants will post as many suggestions as you can from which we will choose ONE for the ladies to do. Really think about this and forget the stereotypes--military themes, blood/guts/gore, and tattooed dicks WILL NOT SCARE these chicks. They have had us for breakfast twice already, and I for one, am tired of being sauteed and eaten.

Think. What inspires fear in the female artist subject-wise? What subject do you honestly think they'll have trouble interpreting just because they are female in the psychological sense? Then list it below, and we'll pick one of them to be the subject that the ladies have to execute.

[hippl5]

What were the two topic choices guys gave to them that made us lose?

[Ilaekae]

The first was a male "pin-up" calendar and we were supposed to depict males in a fashion that females would find attractive and sexy. The less said about that one, the better (One entry was a rather memorable close-up of a flaccid dick).

The first Battle of the sexes had "Loss of Innocence" as the topic for the males to do, and "Brotherhood" as the topic for the ladies. This one was a bit closer but we did get smeared anyway.

[VulgarDragon]

Domesticated housewife stereotype (like June Cleaver), serving and pampering her husband.

[Ilaekae]

If I had to pick one thing that would make the average female's skin crawl...

Depict a young woman in her late teens to mid-twenties with absolutely no fashion sense, no make-up, no social sophistication, and absolutely nothing that makes her superficially attractive to the opposite sex. I don't mean ugly or deformed. I mean a total damn nerd with absolutely no clue. This is the blind date from hell, and even her own mother can't say, "But she has a nice personality..."

[Mitze]

Transformers.

I joke that could be categorized as a hate crime.

[Liffey]

If I had to pick one thing that would make the average female's skin crawl...

Depict a young woman in her late teens to mid-twenties with absolutely no fashion sense, no make-up, no social sophistication, and absolutely nothing that makes her superficially attractive to the opposite sex. I don't mean ugly or deformed. I mean a total damn nerd with absolutely no clue. This is the blind date from hell, and even her own mother can't say, "But she has a nice personality..."

That actually sounds fun to draw though. I don't think a character is going to scare any of these girls off...

Not that I have any suggustons yet. I'll work on it though!

[Stark]

Zombie sex stars run rampant in _____(insert city of choice)

Tattoo session goes horribly wrong (no 56 stars tributes)

Male birthing experience (Take it as you will)

Female with shocking secret

Females, the weaker sex

Sisterhood of the Traveling Tampon

Females working for money

These are just some of the ones that I could think of off the top of my head. Feel free to modify at any time. I'll think of more soon.

[Liffey]

Females working for money.

I lol'd

[Demo]

Virgin Sacrifice.....like myans and Aztecs and stuff although it can be taken any direction i guess just interesting to see from a female point of view

That or Twilight Vampire Death- Vampire must absolutely not sparkle or immediate disquilfcation

[hippl5]

Album cover for a death metal band.

P.S. Has a woman ever done a cover for a death metal band?

[Liffey]

Album cover for a death metal band.

P.S. Has a woman ever done a cover for a death metal band?

Out of the tens of thousands to come out? I would guess so.

[Tetsuo]

ila how ummm horrible can this be? I mean i know that something many women fear is men. And I dont mean like boyfriend men...i mean like scumbags who would rape them type of men.

So perhaps a rape scene? I mean I would find that hard to depict....but being female...well that would really be hard to swallow.

Ugh...just thinking about that is pretty nasty. I would totally understand if this is crossing the line. If you want me to delete said suggestion I will.

[BuckWeisel]

We figured out last time through a thread like this one that it's better to do something challenging as an artist rather than just trying to attack gender. Stuff like rape, domestic abuse, etc is definitely a bad idea.

As much as we're taught the opposite, men and women aren't really THAT different. Gender roles are a part of every culture and vary respectively. However, most societies around the globe are patriarchal. Obviously this means that men hold the majority of power in most social institutions. There are honest biological justifications for some of it but really it's simply about power. Men were thrust into the lead back in the day because they were the sex that could work year-round, every year. Men could farm without taking unnecessary breaks. However in order for the species to survive, women had to take time away from gathering because of child bearing. This means that for 9 months, men were the soul providers. This gave men great power. Of course being stupid apes, men assumed they were just way more awesome than women.

Anyways, I think a good topic would be a play on power. Something where women could express being in power or being powerless. I don't really care for it being an easy topic, the whole idea is to see who the best is. If one group is truly superior than the other, topic should have very little effect on the outcome.

[arttorney]

"death penalty for possession of more than one pair of shoes"

[Raoul Duke]

the 94 49er line up. That'll stump them broads.

[Katfayheirti]

Sorry, I had to sneak in here to see what you all were planning.
But, in all seriousness, I kind of felt like I had to say something about this. Some of us gals may have had friends/family members/acquaintances who were actually raped, so having to depict a rape scene would kind of be crossing a line there.
Sorry to bomb your thread.......time to sneak back to the ladies' thread.

[Raoul Duke]

ila how ummm horrible can this be? I mean i know that something many women fear is men. And I dont mean like boyfriend men...i mean like scumbags who would rape them type of men.

So perhaps a rape scene? I mean I would find that hard to depict....but being female...well that would really be hard to swallow.

Ugh...just thinking about that is pretty nasty. I would totally understand if this is crossing the line. If you want me to delete said suggestion I will.
Have you ever seen the Life time network. They love to show women getting raped. Besides that's just too dark for a contest and I felt sick reading your post. I wouldn't want to see 50 highly detailed entries of rape scenes.

I'm not calling you a fucked up guy, but am saying that is a fucked up idea.

[Liffey]

Anyways, I think a good topic would be a play on power. Something where women could express being in power or being powerless. I don't really care for it being an easy topic, the whole idea is to see who the best is. If one group is truly superior than the other, topic should have very little effect on the outcome.

I like this idea. It's culturally relevant, and could inspire some thought provoking work.

[Demo]

Not that im not all for any thing humorous and completly degrading, but id like to see some serious though about what the topic is if im gonna spend serious time on this piece and it be something i really pour alot of effort into i wanna see something id like having in a portfolio instead of lets say, Penis Castle or something, the same should apply to us gentlemen so lets see some great ideas.

Then again if their multiple rounds i see no reason for one serious topic and one degrading one :madchef:

[Ilaekae]

There's one round but two pollings.

[Demo]

O ok sorry Ilaekae i must have read thee upper part wrong i don't remember seeing the second Battle of the Sexes so i assumed some of the top people picked had to keep on going.

[Kamikazebob]

Sex Toy Samurai.

I'm only half kidding because it sounds like it might actually be fun..

[Ilaekae]

Aside from...

"death penalty for possession of more than one pair of shoes"...which I think should be part of the US Constitution...

I totally agree with BuckWeisel. A "power"-oriented professional situation where the two genders have to be portrayed as absolute equals. No protective stereotypes, no secretaries/bosses thing, etc., no token situations, and it HAS TO LOOK NORMAL, and a not a fantasy/wish-fulfillment/forced situation. Perfectly normal, (and this is just to get across the "role-lessness" of the situation I'm trying to describe) like a unisex shower/locker room after work/sports/military action with absolutely no hint/feeling of "sex" other than the obvious physical gender differences.

This is hard to describe exactly, but I think you get the idea. I once had a girl living with me and we treated each other as total buddies, even though she was one of the sexiest chicks I knew when I was young. I'd haul her home after a drunk and toss her puke-stained ass in the tub, clean her up, and put her to bed just like I would a guy, and she did the same for me more than once. Our situation was so obvious to everyone that I even had a girl I was engaged to, and she had a girlfriend AND a boyfriend the entire time we lived together, all without any trouble from anyone.

This would make a great illustration pulled off well and would be just "touchy" enough to be hard to work on (right facial expressions, totally relaxed interaction, etc.,) for any artist.


ADD to Demo... I really didn't explain it well. We always have mismatched numbers on the sides, so to keep sheer numbers from winning, we vote once for THE OPPOSITE GENDER'S EFFORTS (males vote only for females, and vice versa), then the top five or six vote getters from each side are voted on AGAIN by both genders for a final overall winner.

[Ilaekae]

Sorry for the double post...

Here's a few more ideas that might possibly be difficult for either side to do well...

1. Losing
2. A Great Day to Die
3. Unrequited Love
4. Self-Sacrifice
5. The Good Demon
6. The Frontier
7. The Decision
8. The Chef
9. Family
10. Jazz
11. Fear
12. Lost

[~Faust~]

Yeah the power theme is definately a great idea.

You should all remember the last time we were beaten by the girls! So please do not underestimate then. Also, Choosing a theme won't cripple their abilities to make kickass illustrations. However, we can choose a topic that is challenging AND fun to see executed.

Here are my suggestions:

1. metal
2. Good grief!
3. Conan the barbarian
4. Vanitas Stilllife
5. streetlife

[Stark]

-Coming Home
-On the dge
-Early Retirement
-Female pirate captain in space fighting alien invaders (doesn't have to be humans)
-Terror
-Happiness
-Reaching a New Level
-Polluted love
-In Search Of (Can be anything at all)

[Raoul Duke]

I think Ilaekae has the right idea by starting a list. We should all start a list and condense them. I vote for "A Great Day To Die" "metal" "Polluted love"

I think something in the spirit of dogs playing poker would be tasteful and too complex for the females feeble mind.

1 Hard Liquor and Medieval Weapons
2 It's Just A Flesh Wound
3 I'm not the one that's dead
4 Acid Shoot Out
5 Rabies Fight Club
6 Duct tape should fix it
7 What's wrong with fire?
8 How is that more fun?
9 You can never have enough Dynamite
10 Walking Disaster Movement
11 Fun with Danger!

[zappa1one]

1. Sharkpunching
2. Alligator wrestling
3. Endless undead horde
4. Chainsaw priest

[alesoun]

"Duct tape should fix it"?

There isn't a female over the age of twelve that hasn't witnessed the fried and blackened end to that one! But, if you want to make it easy..... ;)

[Cartogriffi]

All seven of the three stooges - the description alone should stump most of them!

Or if you want to be really mean, all seven of the three stooges playing Australian rules football against Transformers :D

[Ilaekae]

Okay, people...we're gonna try to go to poll on the topics quickly (say, Tuesday night, if alesoun agrees) so we can get the topic set up and this thing started.

Make any prefs of any suggestions already made known NOW, or add in whatever you think might be an additional good suggestion. I'll put up a poll with the best possibilities from an artistic/challenge view and we'll all vote for 4-5 days to get the final topic.

[rustikof]

I'd say they should do a movie-style poster (think like Drew Struzan style) of the manliest movie that has ever existed---giant bosoms, chainsaws, blood and vikings (with the optional pirate or ancient jungle relic) thrown in for good measure.

that or Batman.

[Liffey]

I'd say they should do a movie-style poster (think like Drew Struzan style) of the manliest movie that has ever existed---giant bosoms, chainsaws, blood and vikings (with the optional pirate or ancient jungle relic) thrown in for good measure.

that or Batman.

Yeah, but then they would make a whole bunch of awesome pictures by default. :P

[Ostrander]

Here's my quick list of ideas. Just titles really, no rules for any. Interpreted however they want.
The Attendant
In the Dentists Chair
The Weight
Freudian Slip
Nightfall
Red Death
1313 Mockingbird Lane
The Cabby
Pandemic
Nightmare at 20,000 Feet
Annabel Lee
Prison
Terror on the High Seas
A Superstitious Burial
The Bell Ringer
Reign in Hell
The New Machine
Fetch
The Car
Before the Dawn
The Neighborhood Bully
Getting Even
Trust
Escape
When the Wolfsbane Blooms
Home Delivery
Having a Good Time
The Edge
Lost in the Woods
The One that Got Away

[walnut]

Why not "Teenage Boy Fantasy". They'll never get that one right! Im with the Power idea as well, perhaps let them design a military propaganda poster? Hell, even i would hate working on that idea.

[Raoul Duke]

Once again I'm picking my favorite of everybodies ideas "Shark Puncher" "Drew Struzan" "7 0f the 3 stooges" and "propaganda", but my favorite is "The Neighborhood Bully"

Remember to think of what we can pull out of the aesthetics and them broads can't.

my new suggestion going back to rustikof's post is "Sploitation Cover"

[Cryptcrawler]

Just make them draw eachother.

Then crack a cold one and watch the magic.

Buah..BuahAHahAahhahah!!

[Slash]

Self portrait at 7 in the morning without makeup. ;)

[PieterV]

Draw two insanely buff bodybuilders making out in front of an erupting volcano.

[Jason Rainville]

I don't think I'm participating, but the "vikings" idea got me thinking. Vikings would be way too specific, so my suggestion would be:

Raiders

Manly enough that images of marauding barbarians comes to mind, but open enough that they could depict boys on a panty raid, unicorns surprise attacking a narwhal caravan, stuff like that :)

[Carnifex]

^good one.

some kid playing with his father
witch trial
homeless person
first settlers.
negotiation

p.s.:ostrander,some damn good ones aswell.

p.p.s.: the men's calendar was never about competiton with the females. also,the initial idea was to show what men think is sexy in other men. there was a great deal of confusion and pretty much nonexistant organisation though.

[Demo]

top 5 favorit ideas so far.

1 Witch Trial
2. Neighborhood bully
3. The good demon, i thinkthats what the idea was
4.Lost in the Woods
5.Red Death or Nightmare at 20,000 Feet or a great Day to die

no. 5 their all tied for 5th

[Baron Impossible]

Football sporting challenge

Muscle car decals

Roadkill collage

Beer drinking competition

Dog fight

Shootout

Handgun design

The future of household appliances

Guts

(I'm not an entrant but hey...) :)

[Black Spot]

The future of household appliances - that would be men. Sorry I'll go away now.

[hippl5]

The future of household appliances - that would be men. Sorry I'll go away now.

SPY'S SAPPING MY THREAD

- Metal Band
- Horror movie villian/creature
- Gasmask soldiers
- Bombed city
- Insect battle?
- The Viking at the Stamford Bridge (http://www.badassoftheweek.com/stamfordbridge.html)
- Amazons vs Vikings, with the amazons getting completely slaughtered

[Ostrander]

a few more...

The Coroners Calamity
Midnight Duel
After the Fall
Armed to the Teeth
Ready for the Siege
Hysteria
The Professional
End of the Road
The Cyclist
The Great Balloon Race
Three Wishes
The Rise of the Sexual Revolution
Mercy
18 Hours of Deliberation
The Cheater
Gunslinger
The Ballad of Peter Stübbe
Surviving the U.S.S Indianapolis

[0kelvin]

3. Unrequited Love

After going through all the suggestions so far, this one stood out most to me. I think that's a tough topic, male or female, and I'd love to see what people came up with for it.

[Raoul Duke]

Here's another short list.
FUBAR
Prison Planet Party People
Grave Yard Games
Blue Ribbon Fiasco
Deep Space Hot Rod

[VulgarDragon]

Good suggestions...I especially like the one with all 7 of the Three Stooges. Okay, a few more that I thought of:

Nose-picking competition.
World of Warcraft style warriors (with big muscles, swords, guns, and armor).
Motorcycles and hot rods.
Big ugly alien slobbering over half-naked woman.

[Tetsuo]

Just got back from weekend excursions. And I totally understand about my suggestion. It is not something to be proud of...i was just thinking of as the topic stated something quite scary for the women to portray. And testing the line was necessary at least for me so that I can understand where we are truly going with this. I went to "fine" arts school for college so themes like that(S&M, rape, etc) were running rampant throughout the studios. My apologies to any ladies offended. Not my intention at all.

and buck thanks for the clear up.

-TeT-

[Demo]

a few more...

The Coroners Calamity
Midnight Duel
After the Fall
Armed to the Teeth
Ready for the Siege
Hysteria
The Professional
End of the Road
The Cyclist
The Great Balloon Race
Three Wishes
The Rise of the Sexual Revolution
Mercy
18 Hours of Deliberation
The Cheater
Gunslinger
The Ballad of Peter Stübbe
Surviving the U.S.S Indianapolis

Ostrander.. im loving all your topics hopefully the gents topic will have the same feal

[BuckWeisel]

Omnipotent
Breadwinner
Equation
Paternal Instinct
King for a Day
The Boss
Phallacy
Men at Work
Masterful
Lady Killer

Subordinate
Powerless
On the Home Front
The Curse
Black Widow
The Poem
Behind Every Great Man...
Under the Veil
Suffrage
Siren

[Ilaekae]

Alright, guys. We have 146 suggestions ranging from ridiculous to sublime, and I'd like to get it down to around forty or so by Tuesday afternoon so I can put up a poll for a final vote.

The one's that got more than one mention (including my own when I saw them but didn't post) have the additional "votes" after the item as a (•). (I did eliminate a few that were duplicating or didn't seem like they would be interesting enough for the chicks to attack.)

The best way to do this is just post your favorites, maybe four or five) from the above by listing just their numbers to make it easier for me to collate.

I really believe that we should hit them with something both EXTREMELY difficult for ANYBODY to do well and something that could make a nice portfolio piece, so please keep that in mind when you go through the list. If it scares you, it WILL scare them. If you'd be proud to show it, then it would be something that they'd really want to try.

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1. Domesticated housewife stereotype (like June Cleaver), serving and pampering her husband.

2. Depict a young woman in her late teens to mid-twenties with absolutely no fashion sense, no make-up, no social sophistication, and absolutely nothing that makes her superficially attractive to the opposite sex. I don't mean ugly or deformed. I mean a total damn nerd with absolutely no clue. This is the blind date from hell, and even her own mother can't say, "But she has a nice personality..." •

3. Transformers.

4. Zombie sex stars run rampant in _____(insert city of choice)

5. Tattoo session goes horribly wrong (no 56 stars tributes)

6. Male birthing experience (Take it as you will)

7. Female with shocking secret

8. Females, the weaker sex

9. Sisterhood of the Traveling Tampon

10. Females working for money

11. Virgin Sacrifice.....like myans and Aztecs

12. Twilight Vampire Death

13. Death metal band (or Album cover for...).••

14. Death penalty for possession of more than one pair of shoes

15. The 1994 49er's line up.•

16. A play on power. Something where women could express being in power or being powerless.•••••

17. Sex Toy Samurai.

18. Losing ••

19. A Great Day to Die •

20. Unrequited Love ••

21. Self-Sacrifice

22. The Good Demon ••

23. Family

24. Fear

25. Lost •

26. Coming Home

27. On the edge

28. Early Retirement

29. Female pirate captain in space fighting alien invaders (doesn't have to be humans)

30. Terror •

31. Happiness

32. Reaching a New Level

33. Polluted love •

34. In Search Of (Can be anything at all)

35. Hard Liquor and Medieval Weapons

36. It's Just A Flesh Wound

37. I'm not the one that's dead •

38. Acid Shoot Out

39. Rabies Fight Club

40. Duct tape should fix it

41. What's wrong with fire?

42. How is that more fun?

43. You can never have enough Dynamite

44. Walking Disaster Movement

45. Fun with Danger!

46. Shark punching •

47. Alligator wrestling

48. Endless undead horde

49. Chain saw priest

50. All seven of the three stooges ••

51. A movie-style poster (think like Drew Struzan style) of the manliest movie that has ever existed---giant bosoms, chainsaws, blood and vikings (with the optional pirate or ancient jungle relic) thrown in for good measure. •

52. The Attendant

53. In the Dentists Chair

54. The Weight

55. Freudian Slip

56. Nightfall

57. Red Death •

58. 1313 Mockingbird Lane

59. The Cabby

60. Pandemic

61. Nightmare at 20,000 Feet ••

62. Annabel Lee

63. Prison

64. Terror on the High Seas

65. A Superstitious Burial •

66. The Bell Ringer

67. Reign in Hell

68. The New Machine

69. Fetch

70. The Car

71. Before the Dawn

72. The Neighborhood Bully •••

73. Getting Even •

74. Trust

75. Escape •

76. When the Wolfsbane Blooms

77. Home Delivery

78. Having a Good Time

79. The Edge

80. Lost in the Woods •

81. The One that Got Away

82. Teenage Boy Fantasy •

83. A military propaganda poster •

84. Make them draw each other

85. Self portrait at 7 in the morning without makeup •••

86. Two insanely buff bodybuilders making out in front of an erupting volcano •

87. Raiders--Manly enough that images of marauding barbarians comes to mind, but open enough that they could depict boys on a panty raid, unicorns surprise attacking a narwhal caravan, stuff like that ••

88. some kid playing with his father

89. witch trial ••

90. homeless person

91. first settlers.

92. negotiation

93. Football sporting challenge

94. Shootout

95. Handgun design

96. The future of household appliances

97. Guts

98. Horror movie villian/creature

99. Gas mask soldiers

100. Bombed city

101. Insect battle?

102. The Viking at the Stamford Bridge

103. Amazons vs Vikings, with the amazons getting completely slaughtered

104. The Coroners Calamity

105. Midnight Duel

106. After the Fall

107. Armed to the Teeth •

108. Ready for the Siege

109. Hysteria

110. The Professional •

111. End of the Road •

112. The Cyclist

113. The Great Balloon Race

114. Three Wishes

115. The Rise of the Sexual Revolution •

116. Mercy

117. 18 Hours of Deliberation

118. The Cheater

119. Gunslinger

120. The Ballad of Peter Stübbe

121. Surviving the U.S.S Indianapolis •

122. FUBAR •

123. Prison Planet Party People

124. Grave Yard Games

125. Blue Ribbon Fiasco

126. Deep Space Hot Rod

127. Omnipotent

128. Breadwinner •

129. Equation

130. Paternal Instinct

131. King for a Day

132. The Boss

133. Phallacy

134. Men at Work

135. Masterful

136. Lady Killer

137. Subordinate

138. Powerless •

139. On the Home Front

140. The Curse

141. Black Widow

142. The Poem

143. Behind Every Great Man...•

144. Under the Veil

145. Suffrage •

146. Siren

[BuckWeisel]

19) A Great Day to Die
16) A play on power. Something where women could express being in power or being powerless.
106) After the Fall
36) It's Just A Flesh Wound
57) Red Death
55) Freudian Slip

EDIT: I'm not good at reading, I just look at the pictures.

[Ilaekae]

1) A Great Day to Die
2) A play on power. Something where women could express being in power or being powerless.
3) After the Fall
4) It's Just A Flesh Wound
5)Red Death
6) Freudian Slip

That would be 19, 16, 106, 36, 57, 55 then. ...Bucky', I'm going to set fire to your sable brushes...

[0kelvin]

20. Unrequited Love
21. Self-Sacrifice
68. The New Machine
72. The Neighborhood Bully (but maybe just The Bully)
74. Trust

[GriNGo]

24. Fear
74. Trust
85. Self portrait at 7 in the morning without makeup
109. Hysteria
116. Mercy

[Ilaekae]

18. Losing
20. Unrequited Love (One I like most)
72. The [Neighborhood] Bully
85. Self portrait at 7 in the morning without makeup
110. The Professional
128. Breadwinner

[walnut]

18. Losing
35. Hard Liquor and Medieval Weapons
109. Hysteria
127. Omnipotent
143. Behind Every Great Man...

[Raoul Duke]

God damn that list got long and half of the suggestions were mine.

143. Behind Every Great Man...
128. Breadwinner
72. The Neighborhood Bully
19. A Great Day to Die
50. All seven of the three stooges

[Liffey]

16. A play on power. Something where women could express being in power or being powerless
19. A Great Day to Die
20. Unrequited Love
33. Polluted love
128. Breadwinner

[Carnifex]

unrequited love.
witch trial.
fear/terror.
polluted love.

p.s.: my mind is swirling when reading all those topics...this should become a better fight than last time.

[Jazz]

Crap!! You guys have LOTS of ideas this time around! O_O *spy* Ummmm...heh heh... Oh, and I must give you awesome kudos for the thought of having a theme that anybody might find difficult. ;)

I recall earlier someone mentioned the nerdy type of woman. That would NEVER work; I slept in a look like that for years! XD Managed to get 4 boyfriends overtime despite the fact, though. ;)

Nice stuff!! :D

[Ostrander]

121. Surviving the U.S.S Indianapolis
20. Unrequited Love
116. Mercy
51. A movie-style poster (think like Drew Struzan style) of the manliest movie that has ever existed---giant bosoms, chainsaws, blood and vikings (with the optional pirate or ancient jungle relic) thrown in for good measure.
89. witch trial

[Tetsuo]

33) Polluted love
73)Getting even
82)Teenage boy fantasy
118- The cheater
122) FUBAR

[Peter Coene]

I'm A bit late getting in on this, and doubt I'll be able to join the contest, but heres my 2 cents, for what its worth (probably less than 2 cents)

-A depiction of ancient female goddess cults as uncivilised, barbaric, and violent, with patriarchal religious influences (Norse/Germanic, Greco-Roman, Judeo-Christian, Muslem) as a benevolent force; providing order and leading to a civilized society. (Frazetta-esque women in loin cloths sacrificing their own children on altars highly encouraged)

-A work which includes a self portrait of the female artist enjoying a meaningful relationship with this guy (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Dick_Masterson).

-A side by side comparison of the greatest creative/inventive acheivement made/thought up by a man next to the same made/thought up by a woman. (It has to be a product of the mind: natural processes of the body do not count)

-Display female circumscision as a good thing... on second thought, please don't.

-A show of masculinity so impressive that it even turns lesbians straight.


Thats all I've got fow now.

[AUG]

I fear that the talented ladies on this forum would make short work of many of these suggestions. IMHO anything MECHA is the only way to go.

3. Transformers
121. Surviving the U.S.S Indianapolis
107. Armed to the Teeth

[Dhex]

I'd like to see them make an illustration based on the theme "Pure Power/Might", without the use of a female OR male character, or the human figure in general.

That would be interesting. :)

[Peter Coene]

I'd like to see them make an illustration based on the theme "Pure Power/Might", without the use of a female OR male character, or the human figure in general.

That would be interesting. :)

Too easy: Powerful reaperlike skeleton with energy orbs and lightning and stuff.

[Carnifex]

skeleton=human figure. :rolleyes:
also,boring.

[Sidharth Chaturvedi]

143: Behind Every great man
19: Great Way to die
16: A play on power
61: Nightmare at 20,000 feet
85: Self portrait at 7 in the morning without makeup

[daestwen]

-Display female circumscision as a good thing... on second thought, please don't

Why post this if even you know it's a bad idea? :(

I didn't find any of your suggestions very good but this is leaning on really not cool, considering that it still happens today in some places, is very dangerous, and is a very potent symbol of the oppression of women.

Please think before you post next time.

[Peter Coene]

skeleton=human figure. :rolleyes:
also,boring.

My bad, I misread, thought the idea was to use human figure without specifying male or female. I stand corrected.

Though i do think that skeletons are anything but boring.

Why post this if even you know it's a bad idea? :(

I didn't find any of your suggestions very good but this is leaning on really not cool, considering that it still happens today in some places, is very dangerous, and is a very potent symbol of the oppression of women.

Please think before you post next time.

While I understand your objection and agree 100% with the thought behind it, the things that I listed were specifically listed because I thought they would on some level or another be something that women absolutely would want nothing to do with. To quote you yourself: "Potent symbols of the oppression of women" ...what better to use in something called "the battle of the sexes." I mean, isn't part of the point to come up with something that the opposite sex would have trouble drawing? That specifically was one of the most disgusting disturbing things that I could think of (your responce alone validates this point)... so much so that I decided to negate the suggestion because I did not want it to be taken literally and end up finding myself viewing picture after picture of mangled vaginas. (Plus, it was something I realised most of us would have trouble with, regardless of sex/gender.)

However I left it up because I still figured it would be something that if pulled off would be a whole new level of shock value that the whole "smear poop on the virgin mary" crowd could only dream of. The artwork in and of itself would in no way actually hurt someone, and if anything, though it would "display female circumscision as a good thing" it would draw attention to the issue, and no matter how it displays the subject I doubt that any attention drawn to female genital disfiguration would be condoning the practice.

[yoitisi]

...
-A depiction of ancient female goddess cults as uncivilised, barbaric, and violent, with patriarchal religious influences (Norse/Germanic, Greco-Roman, Judeo-Christian, Muslem) as a benevolent force; providing order and leading to a civilized society. (Frazetta-esque women in loin cloths sacrificing their own children on altars highly encouraged)

-A work which includes a self portrait of the female artist enjoying a meaningful relationship with this guy (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Dick_Masterson).

-A side by side comparison of the greatest creative/inventive acheivement made/thought up by a man next to the same made/thought up by a woman. (It has to be a product of the mind: natural processes of the body do not count)

-Display female circumscision as a good thing... on second thought, please don't.

-A show of masculinity so impressive that it even turns lesbians straight.
...

Posts and suggestions like these were exactly the reason why I stayed out of the last TD too. Coming up with a difficult topic for the female half of CA is not being done by giving them something that will surely insult them, I think. You are writing stuff like this in public, please be aware of that.

Edit: In response to your edit above:

...to Daestwens reply: While I understand your objection and agree 100% with the thought behind it, the things that I listed were specifically listed because I thought they would on some level or another be something that women absolutely would want nothing to do with. To quote you yourself: "Potent symbols of the oppression of women" ...what better to use in something called "the battle of the sexes." I mean, isn't part of the point to come up with something that the opposite sex would have trouble drawing? That specifically was one of the most disgusting disturbing things that I could think of (your responce alone validates this point)... so much so that I decided to negate the suggestion because I did not want it to be taken literally and end up finding myself viewing picture after picture of mangled vaginas. (Plus, it was something I realised most of us would have trouble with, regardless of sex/gender.)

However I left it up because I still figured it would be something that if pulled off would be a whole new level of shock value that the whole "smear poop on the virgin mary" crowd could only dream of. The artwork in and of itself would in no way actually hurt someone, and if anything, though it would "display female circumscision as a good thing" it would draw attention to the issue, and no matter how it displays the subject I doubt that any attention drawn to female genital disfiguration would be condoning the practice.

This TD is supposed to be fun for everyone. Hard to do, yes, but fun. Your suggestions are rather gross and definately NOT fun to do -unless you actually want to create shocking and vulgar art, which most people usually don't. I'd go so far as to say that your suggestions border on racism against the female half of humanity and/or lesbians.

[daestwen]

Peter: I think you've missed the whole point of the contest. :/ As everyone has been saying, over and over, the object *is not* to disgust us, or to give us something that we would hate drawing (and in that case probably hate ourselves for drawing it). The point is to come up with a topic that is challenging and fun, not insulting and disgusting. Why would we bother playing if that's the spirit behind it?

[Peter Coene]

Posts and suggestions like these were exactly the reason why I stayed out of the last TD too. Coming up with a difficult topic for the female half of CA is not being done by giving them something that will surely insult them, I think. You are writing stuff like this in public, please be aware of that.

I think you are misreading the intent here: It is not my intent to insult women but to see how they would handle a subject that requires them to insult themselves. The ideas are out there, somewhere, and in this case I just collected them expecting that they WOULD be difficult in that working with them would require the artist to get past any of their own moral hangups to create the art. To a certain extent women already have to do this if they are going to work in an industry that often objectifies the female form and marginalizes their significance with confining female characters to roles such as "scantilly clad Amazon" and "seductive sorceress." Therefore seeing as I expect that the women of this forum would already be conditioned to handle this and I would expect nothing less of them in challenging us I figured that ramping up the gutwrenching disgustingness of the possibilities would be neccesary.

Anyone who thinks that I particularly advocate any of those options that I listed as the way society should act or view women needs to have their head examined.

[Carnifex]

yeah,it needs repeating: this is for portfolio-grade pieces.
also,skeletons in themselves are nature's way of saying inner beauty matters too, but with lighting bolts etc. i can only think "campy" (in a bad way).

[JessiBean]

It is not my intent to insult women but to see how they would handle a subject that requires them to insult themselves.

Promoting them as topics for the challenge is still promoting them, and still just as insulting. Perpetuating ideas because they are "out there" keeps them "out there" rather than doing something positive to make a CHANGE of perception. So yeah, it sure does sound like you don't have a very high opinion of women, Peter. And to be frank, it also makes you sound like an ass.

If this is the spirit of this competition, to be required to insult myself and belittle women in the process, I REFUSE. I'm out.

[yoitisi]

Anyone who thinks that I particularly advocate any of those options that I listed as the way society should act or view women needs to have their head examined.

Thanks.

I think someone needs some alone time. Cya in a few weeks. Please reconsider your approach to posting on an huge online public forum is my advice.

[Carnifex]

Both sides should be trying to come up with a topic they'd wish even to be assigned to themselves.
perfect summary.

edit: oh,ohhhhh i got another one: "sexy selfportrait". and i'm not talking about idealising one's figure.

[JessiBean]

ila how ummm horrible can this be? I mean i know that something many women fear is men. And I dont mean like boyfriend men...i mean like scumbags who would rape them type of men.

So perhaps a rape scene? I mean I would find that hard to depict....but being female...well that would really be hard to swallow.

Ugh...just thinking about that is pretty nasty. I would totally understand if this is crossing the line. If you want me to delete said suggestion I will.

This VERY much crosses a line, and is NOT something to be made light of. Suggesting it was in poor taste.

[alesoun]

The object of this contest is to "think out of the box" by being challenged to handle topics that will stretch us artistically.

We still want to produce art that won't make people lose their lunch. There is an opportunity here to produce pieces that anyone would be happy to show in their portfolios, especially since each gender is suggesting topics that the other might find hard to express and might not normally tackle.

Topics should stretch us artistically, not make us want to throw up. I actually doubt that anyone would vote for a topic that would outrage either sex, so I don't see the point of suggesting one, do you? really?

[Reedux]

I liked the one with drawing a total nerd with no sense for looks..
but its too simple yet..

which is why I propose; A self portrait, Full body, in a scene (don't know which yet) in wich THEY HAVE NO FASHION SENSE, A self portrait of themselves as COMPLETE nerds and in some kind of situation that I can't think of.. Auditioning for top model?

I want them to find and Bring out their biggest flaws.. if they dare ;)
eg. Have a big nose? Let us see just HOW big~

I know all women are conscious about their looks, sometimes it stretches further than just their clothes and hair.

I am in no way trying to be mean, simply 'thinking outside the box'.

[alesoun]

OneEyedJack, I would rule that one. Been there, done that and got the "Frankie Says Relax" T-shirt. I just wish I hadn't burned every pic of me in massive shoulder pads. ;)

[nonie]

I liked the one with drawing a total nerd with no sense for looks..
but its too simple yet..

which is why I propose; A self portrait, Full body, in a scene (don't know which yet) in wich THEY HAVE NO FASHION SENSE, A self portrait of themselves as COMPLETE nerds and in some kind of situation that I can't think of.. Auditioning for top model?

I want them to find and Bring out their biggest flaws.. if they dare ;)
eg. Have a big nose? Let us see just HOW big~

I know all women are conscious about their looks, sometimes it stretches further than just their clothes and hair.

I am in no way trying to be mean, simply 'thinking outside the box'.

Why not just say "Unflattering self portrait" or "Your biggest flaw" then? A lot of these suggestions are way too specific - stuff that sounds more like a book or song title leave a lot more room to not have a pile of the same single painting over and over.



And yeah about all these topics that are either thinly-veiled insults to women in general or are outright hateful or offensive... Taking a sharper jab in your shit talking can be funny, but things like "Women working for money" shouldn't even be in your poll - wtf, guys. That's not a topic, it's a sexist insult. Funny in conversation, yes, but if something like that gets voted as a topic I'm out too. I'm not even going to discuss the more vulgar or shocking shit. Take a look at the list the girls have compiled, do you see anything insulting or offensive to men in there? If the other side could try to approach the idea with the same amount of respect that'd be nice.

We're trying to make the topic cool and fun for you - show us the same courtesy.

[Ostrander]

Lets not lose track here, Illy posted the final list to vote on topics for the ladies back on page 2, anyone posting should just pick the best 4-5 that they like from that list to keep this thread moving forward... in the right direction.

[Raoul Duke]

I hate to side with them broads on this issue. I wouldn't participate if they picked "Gay Porn" or "Boy Band" as a subject. Be tasteful and don't act a douche.

[GriNGo]

Ladies, don't take this brainstorming thread too seriously. If the topic that is voted by the men disturbs you in some way or another, then please, protest when it happens. But doing so right now, it's kinda silly. You know how us guys aren't as sensitive as you when it comes to disgusting subjects (gore, violence, etc), that's just the way guys are. IMO, I also want a more non specific subject to be chosen... but alas, we have to do what everyone votes for in the end.

[danlambert]

89. witch trial
110. The Professional
117. 18 Hours of Deliberation
127. Omnipotent
143. Behind Every Great Man

[Katfayheirti]

You know how us guys aren't as sensitive as you when it comes to disgusting subjects (gore, violence, etc),

Calling us womenfolk "sensitive" plays a bit into the stereotype a little. I'm just sayin. I happen to like gore and violence! (sorry, Gringo, not aimed at you anymore, the rest of this is aimed at Peter and a few others who made suggestions) If anything, I'm sensitive to portrayals of violence against women because it is something I live with every day. I have several friends who have been raped or were victims of male-on-female violence and I can't think of anything more disgusting than having to depict something like that for this contest.

I was hoping to get a portfolio piece out of this and I just want to reiterate what Nonie and some others have said about open, somewhat nebulous topics having the most potential. That said, some of these topic suggestions are really awesome (the power play idea sounds particularly kickass!) and I can't wait to see what you guys finally come up with!

[VulgarDragon]

After careful deliberations, I have narrowed my choices down to five of which I think would be challenging and fun to do.
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13. Death metal band (or Album cover for...).

50. All seven of the three stooges

51. A movie-style poster (think like Drew Struzan style) of the manliest movie that has ever existed---giant bosoms, chainsaws, blood and vikings (with the optional pirate or ancient jungle relic) thrown in for good measure. •

107. Armed to the Teeth

126. Deep Space Hot Rod



I pondered this one, "Male birthing experience", but felt this might be very difficult to portray, however, I was reminded of a certain Native American tribe where they had this strange custom. When the woman is about to have her baby, the father would lie down above her in a bunk-style bed. Strings were attached to his testicles, so the lady could tug at them every time she experienced pain...that way the father could share in the pain of the birthing experience. Needless to say, that tribe went extinct quickly as most couples could only have one child....

[alesoun]

I'd like to see them make an illustration based on the theme "Pure Power/Might", without the use of a female OR male character, or the human figure in general.

That would be interesting. :)

Abstract, ftw!

[Ilaekae]

I leave to get some important things taken care of for a few hours and all fuckin' hell breaks loose!

Both sides--alesoun and I are running this thing and we won't let anything thoroughly stupid get in as a topic on either side. That should be obvious common sense. The idea is to have fun, and more importantly, to get a decent USABLE piece of art out of all the time we put in to the challenge.

Yes, some of the suggestions are stupid and sexist. That's what happens when you mention sex in a bunch of males with the emotional sophistication of a wombat. We simply assume most are meant to get a quick laugh, and have no real hope of getting to the top. As for the two posts I had a lot of trouble with, Tetsuo knew immediately he went over the top and apologized immediately. We all make mistakes. We move on.

Peter, YOU I do NOT understand. After all the discussion of fun and possible sample use in all these threads, you open your shithole and out comes something that gags even me, and I have an extremely high tolerance for gross useless and insulting shit. That doesn't mean I like it, or agree with it, but that I recognize it as soon as I see it, and your bonehead suggestions crossed THAT line by a good bit. I fucking wish you would THINK--ACTUALLY THINK--for .0005 seconds before you "open your mouth."

On behalf of alesoun and I, and all the people who are out there seriously supporting the efforts here and in other challenges around the forum, I apologize for any insult or just plain simple shit tossed into the air that offended anyone anywhere through these threads. Most of us are adults. Many are not, but have learned how to act as adults. And some were just born with their head up their asses and will never realize it has to be removed before anything decent can come out of their mouth.

Again, everybody...my apologies.

Now let's get this back on track with the usual insulting and childish behavior that such serious endeavors require...

[alesoun]

I'm wid you. Puddy Tat! I know that most of the ladies will recognise that almost all of the males here would have way too much respect for themselves and the ladies to give more than a second "wtf" to posts like that.

The idea is that males should handle a topic given by a professional female client, and vice versa.

[Zapp!]

Fight in a Tool Shop (nail guns and sledgehammers?)

I don't see that many cars drawn by women so what about a race (nascar maybe?)

[Nettle_Mountain]

Hmmm, how about a hardcore scifi/cyberpunk themed uppgrade on the usual fairytale imaginery? Fairytale character in hard scifi form/Enviroment that complements the character.

I think enviroment with character as a sound challenge in technical sense, and this would make interesting art out of this one.

My topic:

- Fairytale character/s in hard scifi form/Enviroment that complements the character and mood.

[Tetrodotoxin]

Wow, seems like the ladies are winning already... I mean, come on!

Some of you are missing the point. Our topic should challenge the ladies to produce AWESOME art, not something crappy. I'd rather have my male butt kicked again, than winning against a pile of shit. Lets find something, that will bring the best auf of the ladies, like Nonie's "turnip murder" last time.

I think the men didn't lose last time, I think that we won by seeing all those great pictures that the ladies did. But I think we will lose now, if we give them a topic, which they simply can't turn into something good.


So what makes a great picture/topic? I think, a piece of art, that evokes some kind of emotion is always a good one. But evoking emotions is really hard. So that should be a challenge to the women. Hard but with great potential outcome. I think I know some ladies around here that are able to pull it off...


My choices of the list are:
18. Losing
19. A Great Day to Die
21. Self-Sacrifice
27. On the edge
75. Escape
114. Three Wishes

[Carnifex]

ilae,dunno,is there going to be a poll on topic for us aswell? i think it's safe to say you can set it up now,if that's the case.

[Jazz]

Guys, I believe in whatever you pick for us ladies!! I also know (at least for the guys I know) you wouldn't give us something that would make us or anyone else feel awful or insulted. o_o

And I appreciate the heartfelt apology, kitty. :heart: I don't think you should have to make one, but that's courtesy right there.

Challenge us like you did the last time, we'll show you fellas!! Or they will, if I'm chicken again. :bashful: I thought I read "beautiful self-portrait", which would be very hard for ME to do. Personally...to bring myself up in such a way, yep. Very difficult. I'm not hinting, though, just freeloading in the thread! :D

[Tetsuo]

I personally think that this whole topic suggestion thread should have been in a private forum like we did with the pinup calendar. That way the trash could have been dealt with in a more civilized manner than a giant flame fest on who is what and how everyone thinks. Things like that on the internet are just recipes for the usual forum disaster.

Also, having private topic suggestions would help keep the *cough* spies *cough* out so when we really let em have it with the topic it would be that more shocking (and no i mean fun shocking not electricity shocking).

[BuckWeisel]

If there was more than one vote, the quantity is beside the topic.

03) Transformers
13) Death metal band/album cover for
16) A play on power, being in power or powerless(3)
18) Losing(3)
19) A Great Day to Die(5)
20) Unrequited Love(5)
21) Self-sacrifice(2)
24) Fear(2)
27) On the edge
33) Polluted Love(3)
35) Hard liquor and medieval weapons
36) It's just a flesh wound
50) All seven of the three stooges(2)
51) Movie poster of maliest movie(2)
55) Freudian Slip
57) Red Death
61) Nightmare at 20,000 ft
68) The New Machine
72) The Neighborhood Bully(3)
73) Gettting even
74) Trust(2)
75) Escape
82) Teenage boy fantasy
85) Self portrait at 7am w/out makeup(3)
89) Witch trial(3)
106) After the Fall
107) Armed to the Teeth(2)
109) Hysteria(2)
110) The Professional(2)
114) Three wishes
116) Mercy(2)
117) 18hrs of Deliberation
118) The cheater
121) surviving the U.S.S Indianapolis(2)
122) Fubar
126) Deep Space hot rod
127) Omnipotent(2)
128) Breadwinner(3)
143) Behind every great man...(4)

[GriNGo]

A great day to die sounds great.. wish it was our topic... One question for Ilaekae: the ladies have like 30 people interested in participating, we have like 50? the last 20 to suscribe wont participate? or how is that going to be sorted out?

[Nightblue]

A great day to die sounds great.. wish it was our topic... One question for Ilaekae: the ladies have like 30 people interested in participating, we have like 50? the last 20 to suscribe wont participate? or how is that going to be sorted out?

quality matters, not quantity :P

[dierat]

Basically, the way this works is...

1. You sign up in this thread along with your sexual bent so we know how to list you. (Just say "I'm in, and I'm on the Guy's side," or whatever...) No teams other than "Boys" and Girls"--it's a knock down free-for-all with any weapons at hand. We don't even care about the sides being even. We'll take care of that later in the polling.Each team will vote on the opposite team's work, and the top 5-6 from each team moves on the final poll where both sides vote to determine the "winner". So it doesn't matter how many is on each side. At least that's how it worked last time (check the Challenge forum if you want to see the threads) and I presume it will work that way again or similar this time.

[Ilaekae]

We've got forty good ones. Poll will be up in short while--doing it now.