Drugs & drawing

[franz]

Interesting:

http://www.cowboybooks.com.au/html/acidtrip1.html

[nick reynolds]

That's a very neat link, thanks for sharing.

[bRyaN]

Wow....

Very interesting...

[Skank]

lol
"This is a pretty good drawing - this pencil is mighty hard to hold' - (he is holding a crayon)."

that cracked me up

very interesting

[Beatnik]

Upon completing the drawing the patient starts laughing, then becomes startled by something on the floor.


That always happens to me.

[AnarchyAo2]

lol damn, thats crazy

[mtw]

That kind of goes with my theory that drugs can help you shutdown your left brain and use just your right.

[AnarchyAo2]

that makes sense to me

[cotron]

out of the bunch, I'd say the one right after he's taken the acid and the one where he's coming down are most interesting... I guess where his rational mind still has a little hold over him.

startled by something on the floor...lol.

[Marie]

Patient makes the last half-a-dozen strokes of the drawing while running back and forth across the room.

Thats an intersting approach to drawing...

[Valcon Jet]

*cry* page went down while i was looking at it.

:confused:

looked very cool though ...

[egerie]

Very interesting thanks ! I have to admit the thought of having that guy run around the room every stroke of the brush had me giggling :)

[AnarchyAo2]

If this is true, I wonder how many "master artists" had used drugs while painting? I mean, you have to wonder where the hell some of them get all of those strange ideas.

[Android]

RObert makes his paintings while on the inspiration of psycodelic mushrooms

http://www.venosa.com/

I hear alex grey has spiked the punch at his art openings with acid in the past. only rumors

http://www.alexgrey.com/


check this out too
http://www.levity.com/eschaton/allchemicalsplash.html

[Skank]

ive often wondered how the creative process would be affected while being in an altered state of mind.
ive tried drawing while intoxicated, and while my mind ran wild with ideas...my hands were too clumsy to DO anything with them, and by the time i sobered up enough to be able to draw, the ensuing headache deterred me from trying,....
in this study , the subject took 2 doses, and kinda went nuts and couldnt focus, then lost any enthusiasim he had after he came back down. i wonder if you could get a more focused effect with smaller doses.

not that im encouraging anyone to try this...just curious is all.

[AnarchyAo2]

Cool links android, thx

[winjer]

The 4 hours 25 minutes later one is awesome. It looks like hes drawing someone completely different than that medic.

[Mr. Teatime]

wow, thats awesome. its like an ad for lsd, heh heh.
almost makes me want to try it.........but i wont.

some of them were very good abstract, some were just funny.

"i know. i know. i know.'

[Tommy Thumbscrew]

Found this thread, and thought I'd add a detail scan of a pen-and-ink I did while on two hits back in 1990 or so. The color was added later. No pencil was harmed in the drawing of this monstrosity - it was straight rollerball-to-paper when I was peaking.

http://gowjobs-sketchhistory.buzznet.com/user/

I'll be really happy when my FTP server is back up and running.

[Eyal]

AFAIK, both Alex Grey and Venosa are not painting under the influece of mushrooms or acid. They exit this realm through DMT.

Venosa's gem-quality paintings fit perfectly along many of the expriences described by DMT users. But DMT is a whole different story, there are drugs ___ and there is dmt ^^^.

You can read about DMT here.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt.shtml

Another very interesting article about Aldous Huxyl's theory about our perception being normall reduced by our primitive, concepteous brains.
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/doors.htm

Its all rumors, though.

[JustinBeckett]

that link was very interesting...

[Prehistoric]

Grant Morrison is another one who praises the effects of DMT.

also admits to consuming around a few grams of hash a day for the last ten years or so.

that guy's got a dream job if i've ever heard one.

[Stitchface]

Interesting concepts here. One of my favorite artists is Ernst Fuchs-
He taught Venosa (and Im sure many other artists) a certain discipline of painting [the mische technique]. He did hish hash, DMT, and other psychedelics. You should check his work out. I love his perception of Malachs and Cherubs.

Ernst Fuchs Homepage (http://www.ernstfuchs-zentrum.com/starteng6.html)

Here is another one with many fantastic artists and Fuchs also:

More Comtemporary Fantastic Realists (http://www.museummorpheus.com/contemp/index.htm)

Also, alot of Venosas Paintings are from his mushroom experiences (see his latest book) and from his ayuhausca intoxications ( which contain DMT like substances).

If you ever come across Ernst Fuchs book called "Architectura Caelestis: Painting in the Hidden Prime of Styles", he talks exstensively about painting under the influence of drugs and then learning to tap into this mode, or way of abstract thinkng of the painting process without the use of drugs or meditation. Excellent read!!!, but a very expensive book.

[corky13]

The one before the last picture freaked me kinda out o.O cool

i might ask where i can volunteer for such tests :P :D

[bizarre]

in the safety of your own home. worked for me! have a few friends on speed dial. i died after eating a quad of shrooms/
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/bizarre2004/conceptart%20sketch%20thread/Untitled-1.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/bizarre2004/shrooms3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/bizarre2004/shrooms2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/bizarre2004/shrooms1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/bizarre2004/good-god.jpg

[endregan]

lol thats messed bizzare. the last couple are freaky fly

[m00ftak]

ive drawn while tripping on shroomiess. it was kinda hard to incorporate the visual changes i saw into the drawing but the sense of distorted vison gave the pictures a very interesting quality

[Danomight]

I tend to work pretty well when I am half asleep. I haven't done any drugs or ever drank any alcohol (I'n not religious), so I actually try and see what kind of effects sugar, caffene, sleep deprevation, music, and other controllable factors have on my artwork. So far, I find that being half awake really helps me think a little quicker and put down ideas more easily. I think it's because I care less about the kind of art I'm going to produce since I'm more concerned about getting sleep.

[Eyal]

Yes, insomnia, or the lack of sleep, causes a chain reaction in our brains' chemicals that produces a small amount of LSD.

Ive been missing sleep at nights for almost a month now, I'm pretty well stocked, I suppose. Almost every face I draw blinks at me.. I almost catch them sometimes!

[patternagainst]

Eyal I havn't researched it but I'm relatively positive that LSD is only a synthetic compound and has not been found anywhere in nature.

[Qitsune]

I might not look like it (tho you wouldn't know about that) but I've tried quite a range of psychoactive substances. Never ever felt like drawing on any of them. Except when we'd smoke a wee bit of grass during mad sketching jams. But then we were sketching in the first place.

For some reason, I don't feel like drawing when I'm convinced that the bicycle next to the microwave oven is going to knock down the candle in the next room and my friend claims the futon is filled with mermaids.

[Stitchface]

There is a natural form of LSD, it is found in the rye fungus Ergot, which must be synthesized in a lab to extract the "lysergic acid diethylamide" out of the fungus. Long ago there were mass poisonings from the ergot, when some got mixed into and contaminated flour (for bread) and beer/ale. Hallucinations and fever resulted in this, which some thought to be the work of the devil or witches, instead of a fungus.

LSD is not found naturally in the brain, what you do have, in small amounts, naturally produced by your brain is DMT, or N-dimethyltryptamine. Its a short acting and extremely powerful psychedelic drug that your brain uses and breaks down immediately to use the parts that make up the compound. For more info try reading "The Sprirt Molecule", by Rick Strassman, MD. They were trying to study why the brain produces this naturally and they also had some very interesting theories based on their research, how DMT affects the process of conception, and at hte point of death.

I have tried sleep deprevation but found I couldn't concentrate or be very creative. My mind has to be fully rested to think creatively.

I will have to post some of my drawings from my experimentation in altered states of consciousness... :}

[Skuli]

this is a very intresting thread.
I find it that my art is more intresting when I am very very very sleepy.
I'm more loose, not thinking so much about the rules but still they make it to the paper and don't think ahead of myself of how this will end.

[Aether]

If I remember correct Alex grey has painted several of his works under the influence.
I really think if people would use drugs more wisely than just for the high they could be a real helper both artistically and spiritually.

That guy did some neat drawings.


edit: Pablo Amaringo a shaman painting his Ayahuasca visions:
http://www.pabloamaringo.com/

[Hayabusa]

very interesting topic.
People always seem to think im on something when i draw some stuff, even tho ive never tried any drugs..

i hope this thread keeps getting updated with drug induced work

[Aether]

Drugs have been misused for so long in the "civilized" so its beautiful to watch something beautíful to come out of it instead of the regular Man on LSD died jumping of a building stuff you hear on the news.

[Justice Von Brandt]

Its just an excuse for people to use drugs

But whatever floats your boat

[darth massacre]

Hey I posted that before! LOL!!


All I can say is, if an artist need drugs to do all those stuff...then beware of the artists who don't need drugs to do it.

[Torgovix]

I find I enjoy drawing and am better at it late at night. I doubt if its the DMT or not, but I find I'm too distracted by all the lights, sounds and actions of the day. My own mind is also more busy and distracted during the day.

[Aether]

i dont think drugs will give anybody any technical ability besides the relaxed feeling and these mindset to more openly draw/paint or whatever form of art it is. Tho with the proper use of drugs like Ayahuasca i believe it can give one in-sight.

[Cthogua]

The first time I tried LSD (about 7 years ago, my Junior year in college), for a while (while I was on it) everything looked as if it were alternating between being made of bubbles and being made of the sickle like crescent shapes between the bubbles. I tried to describe it to my friends, who were all off in their own trips, and just fumbled it out. I tried to draw it and discovered that I was having great difficulty discerning what marks I had made and what marks I was just seeing. Also my hands felt extremely clumsey. Anyway, here are two things that I did that night (still have the sketchbook for sentimental value)


http://www.darkergreen.com/forum/acidscribbles.jpg

and the question, "what does it feel like to create" kept bothering me

http://www.darkergreen.com/forum/moreacid.jpg

I think that psychedelic drugs are much better as an inspiration for art rather than to be used while creating art. It can be fun, but the skill of execution and the focus just isn't there most of the time.

I'm glad to see there have been actual reasonable responses to this thread and not just a bunch of name calling and uninformed opinions. People need to understand that there is a responsible way to use these substances and that something can be gained.

[Aether]

Yes indeed its about the way theyre used.

Someone who has only used them for the high and then gotten over drugs will most likely immediately tell its bad and all the things youve heard for so long.

I personally believe there should be a certain respect towards the substance showed through meditation or whatever method you find the most suitful.

[StrangeAlchemist]

This is about 5 years old. I drew it after ingesting an eighth of mushrooms, after the peak as I began to mellow out a bit:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/StrangeAlchemist/mysticturtle.jpg

[Hayabusa]

yeh aside from drugs, u must first have the technical knowledge to create art. ive seen some buddies of mine try to "draw" while high and it looks like ass. nothing special, nor creative. keep in mind they werent really artists anyways. good job everyone whos posting their trip scetches. Its really interesting seeing how loose and carefree some of them seem to be, but yet they create a great picture. (mainly directed at bizarre)

[Aether]

http://www.forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/ a good example of a community that treats the plants the way they should be

[I_LOVE_ART]

:af::aa::as::ac::ai::an::aa::at::ai::an::ag::a!:

[Eyal]

LSD is not found naturally in the brain, what you do have, in small amounts, naturally produced by your brain is DMT, or N-dimethyltryptamine. Its a short acting and extremely powerful psychedelic drug that your brain uses and breaks down immediately to use the parts that make up the compound. For more info try reading "The Sprirt Molecule", by Rick Strassman, MD. They were trying to study why the brain produces this naturally and they also had some very interesting theories based on their research, how DMT affects the process of conception, and at hte point of death.

stitchface!
aaaha.. i knew you were a lolzersmoker :p

really.. thanks for the tip bro. i knew it wasnt exactly LSD, naturally, but some other chemical of similar entheogenic effect. i also know about DMT, i just didnt realize it was involved in this case as well. interesting.

i have just been informed by my sources there is a show this week on discovery channel about ayahusca (root plant that has DMT-like entheogens in it (1 molecule off)), and its encestral usage in south american tribes, in their public-shamanism rituals.. or however you would call them.

Tuesdays @ 10, FLORIDA time

[Eyal]

actually, after giving it a little thought, the fact that it is DMT itself that is presently "filling up" in our brains until we go to sleep, is quite interesting indeed.

because, when you think of it, it translates into saying that once we access those areas in our mind that we do while dreaming, the DMT that has build up inside our brain during day-time is removed. DMT is being de-moleculred by another "anti"-chemical created in our brains during sleep.. if im correct.. right?

so, dmt takes you to wonderland when you go sleep at night, just as it does when you smoke it off the bowl. how you experience it, well it just depends on your state of conciosness while that happens, i suppose.

[Aether]

i think that drugs can also enlighten(i dont mean Enlightment) a person to a degree about the true meaning of being a human. But it should really be about Getting there once with the substance and then spending the rest of your life getting there without it.


your thoughts?

[flatliner]

intresting stuff. I like the '2 hours 45 minutes after first dose' one, and the two following it.


All I can say is, if an artist need drugs to do all those stuff...then beware of the artists who don't need drugs to do it.

someone who doesnt need to take the drugs to do it, but takes them anyway, now that would be something to behold :P.

[Aether]

the point wasnt that drugs would give someone an artistical advantage in technic but perhaps in the subjects (for example drug trips etc)

And what one takes as an advantage is ofcourse perceptual

[staylor]

While I think it is possible that drugs may heighten the creative process, they really impair one's technical abilities.

A while ago I had to have all four wisdom teeth removed. During recovery I was on several pain medications (mostly vicodin) and sketched this creature in a notebook. I even started it while medicated but quickly realized that I was making too many mistakes (inconsistent lighting and poor anatomy). I put it off until I was sober enough to complete it.
http://www.wpi.edu/~stay1or/vicodinelf.jpg

[Aether]

One could always take a decent amount of the substance then write the experience up and build the picture from there.

[redFIVE]

I've always wanted to buy some absynth and jus throw my own little trippy drunken party one night. Y'know they even have a Van Gogh brand absynth, which seems kinda funny and kinda sad at the same time.

[DavePalumbo]

yeah, that 4 hour 25 minute one is boss.

[vigostar]

this is a great topic... oddly enough in all the times that I dabbled with different types of umm.. Nracs never did I get a sense for drawing.. and now that I think about it, its probably because it wasnt an important facet in my life at the time... and thinking about the effects they had especially the double vision, that would clearly explain why you see the symetry in many of these drawings and in others very abstract realities... the colors are by far the most facinating aspect... most of the time very vibrant and colorful.. when you read about jimmy hendrix he uased to say that he views his music in colors... Ive personally had experiences where I had been up for three days doing different narcs and seeing a variety of things... for instance... one of the people that i was with had a white shirt on.. which he never changed the whole time... it must have been during the second day that I glanced over to him while being extremely sleepy and seeing millions of colorful dots on his shirt that was white... Ive had friends see very ugly things, like open cuts on peoples faces and things like that.. My personal fav... is after coming down off of some very trippy shit, I sat in front of my computer with my friend wanting to show him pics of my trip to Rome... in my favortie picture which was of some tall sculpture (that I took because it was sunset and the lighting was amazing..) there were these clouds behind the foto... as Im showing them to my friend he's like "I can't focus... Wait, wait, wait.... the clouds are moving!!! The clouds are moving!!.." when I looked over to the screen the clouds were indeed moving... its was incredible... and al from looking at a foto....!

Stithface- I really look foward to seeing some stuff... I bet its pretty crazy knowing your work... and ou seem to really know your shit on this subject... hmmmmmm...!

[Aether]

read about some south american natives that also viewed their music in color after digesting a rather large amount of salvia( if i remember correct)

[troymcoy]

it's called synaesthesia, merging of senses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaesthesia

[Stitchface]

Scanning my drawings in right now, will post soon.

Has anyone heard of "Soma" ( found in a type of mushroom), do some research on it, very intersting indeed. A&E had an episode about Soma and the psychedelic experience in early history,...

..narrated by Leonard Nemoy. Huh. :P

[vigostar]

ive actully tried salvia.. it was pretty crappy.. i think it was the kind i got it from.. would love to try the authentic stuff although i hear it works for a very short tim.. not sure if its worth it..!!

Stithface- cool... I told my friend about this thread.. then linked him to the site... he was like "cool when do we do that". I was thinking the same thing!! ahh... but, it wont...

[Eyal]

ye well, all i have to say is fuck concept art,
its vision art
ye i mean even in the classic meaning, coming up with a concept >> from true void is not a simple task or an easy equation. its like 1+1=3, you have to figuer out how to do it.

that void, now thats what im talking about,
cuz tha'ts where concept art starts.. from a void. the line craetes the vision, and the vision creates the line in return. this infinite loops is exactly what Zen is about, btw.


+ cant mention robert vanesa without mentioning martina hoffmann
but hey, who needs to be an artist with a name like that :perv:
http://www.martinahoffmann.com/portrait_page/portraits.html
mm-hmm, damn right bitch, she's got it going on..