Chow 167 :: Saladin

[daestwen]

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ROUND #167:: Saladin

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Saladin

Historical research, boys and girls! Meet Ṣalāḥ ad-Dīn - known in the west much more often as "Saladin". Military Commander, Conqueror, and ultimately a Sultan, he trounced the Franks quite a few times during the crusades!

This weeks round is a historical round, but there's tons of room to take this guy. We don't mind if you fantasy him up a little bit... he's a legend as much as he is a man! Mostly this round is about getting into some non-western history (though they did overlap obviously) and design and creating a compelling design for a man who was quite compelling as it was!

Keep him at least referenced to his time period, but not strict. (Just like how most people now imagine Richard the Lionheart or Charlemagne a lot differently from how their time period would portray them, Saladin has grown beyond the historical figure).

However, you're gonna do a bit of research! But we don't require you to provide proof - we'll see it well enough in your design!

Here's some sites to get you started.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/518809/Saladin

http://historymedren.about.com/library/who/blwwsaladin.htm

There's also a bunch of movies with him in it, most recently 'Kingdom of Heaven' comes to mind, but also apparently an egyptian movie in the 60's named after him. A quick you tube search would help you out!

Remember, this man was considered a hero on both sides - even those fighting against him respected him and saw him as a very chivalric man!

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[petitemistress]

yaaay! ^.^

[Volj]

Really quick...And he's got that asian look in everything :wtf:
And so I hope for other deadline extension since I'll be out of town((

[alice_]

maaan... stop giving cool historical characters! I have work to do!

[Just Call Me Bruce!]

I'm in again, I'm going to try and fantasy him up on a horse (gulp) with some kind of huge cape and hopefully still be somewhat historicity accurate, oh and a beard

[Grafguy]

im gonna give it a try and participate for once, I've been lurking around for to long :)

[Volj]

Here we go I guess. Pretty simple (no horsey!), shining armor and sh... Any crits would be an instant help since it's being made in a rush.

[daestwen]

Volj: My major crit right now would be that he is reeeeeally wide. His shoulders are already twice as broad as they should be for his head, and then he just gets wider the lower you go. :] Focus on the anatomy first, build the armour on top, then the clothes, then the shield and weaponry. I think you're getting lost in the bulk of everything, right now.

[Jason Snair]

Awww, man.

Wish I could do this one. I'll be in San Diego all week.

Love the topic, though.

[bakadoodle]

This is probably one of those times I should hold my tongue and not say anything...
As an American directly affected by Muslim terrorist attacks, gonna have to pass on this one.

[daestwen]

This is probably one of those times I should hold my tongue and not say anything...
As an American directly affected by Muslim terrorist attacks, gonna have to pass on this one.

Yes, this is probably one of those times.

Considering that we're dealing with a historical figure that is 800 years removed from the current time period, was very well respected by his 'christian' counterparts, ruled as the legitimate and legal sultan of several countries in the area during a time period where the muslim world was incredibly advanced and cultured, the idea that you would lump him with current-day muslim extremists BAFFLES me. The only connection is that they share a religion, and probably not even the same sect of said religion!

If studying muslim history is what irks you on this subject, then by all means, do a fantasy version. Though personally I can't understand why people wouldn't want to study cultures beyond their own - *especially* cultures that they find themselves opposed to, since we can't understand anything we don't attempt to. That being said, you'll understand about as much about current day muslims from studying saladin as you would about current day americans by studying Charlemagne or Columbus. You'll get something but only if you know the context!

If you don't wish to partake, fine, no one has ever claimed that you have to. But I WON'T stand for such glib racist/religious commentary. I wouldn't allow people in Chow to make similar statements about the christian church, and I don't see how Islam is any different, in that respect. There are enough horrible people in the world for the churches to share equally!

[Mayu_Zane]

Count me in.

Tremendous respect for Saladin, the man who never broke his word and earned respect amongst people who barely regarded Muslims as human.

[wassermelone]

This is probably one of those times I should hold my tongue and not say anything...
As an American directly affected by Muslim terrorist attacks, gonna have to pass on this one.

You are right. You shouldn't have said anything.

You are judging an entire region, history, and culture by the worst in that culture. I'm sorry for your loss, but your baseless xenophobia absolutely sickens me.

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Ugh, sorry for almost getting roped in, Daestwen. Chow shouldn't be the worst of the lounge. I'll participate. Badass topic.

[Eric Young]

Saladin hmmm, if i can find time I'll give it a try.

[petitemistress]

This is probably one of those times I should hold my tongue and not say anything...
As an American directly affected by Muslim terrorist attacks, gonna have to pass on this one.

wow. I should "probably hold my tongue and not say anything", but STFU you racist creep. oops, sorry?

(edit: I'm so sorry Daestwen I just could not hold it in, if my comment bothers you feel free to delete, I hope I didn't cause you any trouble...)

[Aly Fell]

OK chaps, lets not derail this thread. This is an art challenge not a mud wrestling match! Play nicely. Saladin is a fantastic historical figure... go draw... :D

[Lewis]

Ahh, ive just spend a few hours reading about this guy.
GREAT stories... as a historyfreak im wondering how I could have missed out on him :P

My first start anywayz

[JessiBean]

So about that CHOW - because I'm not an idiot, nor a xenophobe, I think this topic is beyond kickass. So tossing me hat in (or at least I will try!)
:D

Volj - Way to hop in first. Daestwen touched on some of your anatomy issues, but I would also caution you to remember that Saladin was not Asian, he was Middle Eastern (born in Tikrit, Iraq) so make sure you are getting your historical indicators right - your first sketch looked more like a Mongol to me than an Arab. Read the wiki entry Daestwen linked if you are unsure about the character, it is there to help you.

Some historical reference from Braun and Schneider's History of Costume:
600(ish) - 1100s Mid-Eastern dress and a somewhat contemporary illumination of Saladin

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Contemporary Military Tech

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And some links to art with costume/design reference:
http://www.geocities.com/anahita_whitehorse/heaven.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~lilinah/Textiles/MEtextiles.html

[Jason Snair]

Okay. I got home early from work, bags are packed. Decided to play around. Couldn't pass up this chow. I won't be able to finish, for CHOW deadline, but I'll probably paint it on my own at some point.

If I were to go ahead with colors. Definitely last moments of sunset, right before prayer. I'm not familiar with the prayer customs, I know they kneel, but ... just from a color-mood stand-point ... lots of warm oranges, pinks, reds. That sort of thing.

Edit: I just realized that it looks like he's saluting. Not what I"m going for. More like, he's about to take off his helmet and kneel. If I had more time, I'd think it thru more.

[Pixeltuner]

Ah yes, blatant racism, xenophobia and ignorance. The breakfast of champions.
I'm in, but I have a serious lack of time so I'll probably won't finish. :(

[Cartogriffi]

Absolutely awesome topic, I'm really looking forward to this one!

[thesaint]

Great topic! Here's my initial sketch
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[Cartogriffi]

I like the tight letters and the hooks in his name thesaint, although it looks like "Yusuf ibn Ayyub" was added later as it doesn't have the same flare. The first half has great character, and it matches his expression well. They both have a nice crisp boldness. I'll admit I got a bit of a thrill when I saw your sketch, I was hoping to see some calligraphy sneak in to these pieces :)

You may want to check the spelling - admittedly my Arabic is really rusty but I thought his first name had a harder H. Some of your letters are also missing their diacritical points.

Still, a nice piece, and that goes for the actual character as well, I look forward to seeing the rest of him!

[thesaint]

Thanks Cartogriffi, honestly I have never written anything in Arabic... I just copied the letters, but CHOW is for learning, and I'll try to learn a little of Arabic caligraphy for this one! :D Thanks for the tips! Soon I'll post the caligraphy again (I'll do a little research this time)

Here is a sketch of the scene that I'll probably do.
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[dawnusllaw]

I've never fiddled around too much with Historical figures, but this sounds like something I could learn from. soooo...:confident

[sepu]

Jason Snair - As a muslim I feel obliged ;) to enlighten You about prayer(salat) positions. I hope it will be helpfull :)
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7076/salatpositions.jpg
also in arabic his name looks like that: صلاح الدين يوسف بن أيوب

[Volj]

daestwen
Many thx! That really helped. Checked with mannequin frame...He's still a bit more than 8heads tall, but not as if it would become trouble...

JessiBean
I've found an old illustrated encyclopedia about medieval times, and, well, there seems a lot of similar outfit elements (especially military) even with Turkish ones, not only asian. That is distracting...

Messy. Trying not to get lost in details...

[Desmayado]

i'm not sure if besides a fantasy aproximation to Saladin is allowed a sci-fi one.
Anyway here is my first sketch. If not i will try another thing.
Sorry for my english, as always.

[GRMC]

I`m in :)
really nice topic

[Wiggers]

@Jessibean, Great reference! but like all reference you have to be careful with it. I hate sounding like a know it all beardy but i love history and i love the history of the Crusades and the referance you looks a bit wrong to me the picture on the top left look like 16th or 17th century Ottaman turks wrond period wrong region! The contemporary image of Saladin is wearing 15thC european plate armour, The Templars looks spot on but the Franks are too early, more 1st crusade than 3rd crusade:)

Again sorry for being such a beardy tit i can't help it!!

[ImaGEEnation]

Me first sketch. C & C

I hope I can finish. Busy busy! :D

Am I allowed to do a whole piece in pencil? :D COOL!

[Legionoffear]

loving this topic,
i hope to have something for it soon :D
Everyone's work is look great!

[Zirngibism]

Hey, I was wondering if I could put a twist on the portrayal of Saladin by making him part of a science fiction setting crusade. (He could still have armor that resembles that of an Islamic sultan of the time, just more high tech.)

I've never done a Chow before so I wasn't sure if a historical themed one is really strict about keeping the characters historically accurate. Though I know we're allowed to portray him "larger than life".

Thanks!

[Shard]

gotta get back to character concepting..I really need the practice so
here's my attempt at a young saladin..tried a few different beards but I still kinda like the shaved look more..
anatomy is still a bit odd hopefully i'll manage to sort that later..
C&C appreciated!!

[daestwen]

As for the sci-fi saladin's:

I was hoping to stay away from them. HOWEVER. If they are well referenced to the time period and are easily recognizable as the character, I will allow it. Please, however, post your wips here so I can let you know if you're getting off track or not. Thanks!

[Pixeltuner]

some quick lines 'n colours , hope I've got more time this week since I also need to finish my newborn image because I'm on holiday next week.

[thesaint]

Volj: Really good, I like this "heavy" design you made. Just take care with the collors maybe they are a little too bright.

Desmayado: Cool! I liked he design of the armor.

Shardana: Very cool, I liked his clothes. But I think that muslims are not allowed to have shaved beards, don't they? (I read in wikipedia =P)

Pixeltuner: Looks like you did a good research, the clothes are very realisctic. Congrats. I Just think that he's a little fatty =P


Here's my new WIP
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[AldosKirin]

Well, SInc ei'm still sketching, I'd like to help some people out by posting some references to saracen outfits, Am I allowed?

Also, I'd like to know if there's any truth about Saladin wielding a straight sword instead of a scimitar to some battles? Because I almost have the weaponry ready, and I tried a straight sword (Like the one portrayed in "Kingdom of Heaven"). Also,

[Aly Fell]

Well, SInc ei'm still sketching, I'd like to help some people out by posting some references to saracen outfits, Am I allowed?


Of course! Look forward to them. :D

[AldosKirin]

Jeeez! TYPO TYPO TYPO.


Ok, here you go! I hope they help a bit.
http://recursos.hisinsa.com/graficos/italeri/6854.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/KnightDamien/Comparisons/Saladin-Saracens05.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/KnightDamien/Comparisons/Saladin-Saracens06.jpg


And A crusader, for good measure.. XD

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/Death_is_knocking/KnightTemplar.jpg

[ozzymaru]

Ahhhh! CHOW! My favourite hangout in CA! good to be back and seeing this topic. I hope I can chip in too. Great work so far and amazing contribution by Aldos - in terms of research material.

[Reymus]

Two thumbnails I picked, I don't know which to go with though.

And since I'm in Turkey at the moment, there's a ton of Saladin material here. He's depicted really as anything from completely asian looking to european in books, novels, texts etc. Bearded and beardless.

There are also stories describing him in just his robes going into battle, which fall more toward Arabian, and as far as in full crusader armor replacing the helm with the domed skullcap and the moon/star instead of a cross.

[AldosKirin]

Two thumbnails I picked, I don't know which to go with though.

And since I'm in Turkey at the moment, there's a ton of Saladin material here. He's depicted really as anything from completely asian looking to european in books, novels, texts etc. Bearded and beardless.

There are also stories describing him in just his robes going into battle, which fall more toward Arabian, and as far as in full crusader armor replacing the helm with the domed skullcap and the moon/star instead of a cross.

Personal opinion, I think the second one is better. I fail to distinguish the face on the first one.

[Cartogriffi]

Thanks Cartogriffi, honestly I have never written anything in Arabic... I just copied the letters, but CHOW is for learning, and I'll try to learn a little of Arabic caligraphy for this one! :D Thanks for the tips! Soon I'll post the caligraphy again (I'll do a little research this time)
To your credit I couldn't tell that this was your first time. I thought it may be the case, but it didn't show.

I like your latest WIP, although I feel bad for the Crusader: that's a nasty place to get hit :)

And since I'm in Turkey at the moment, there's a ton of Saladin material here. He's depicted really as anything from completely asian looking to european in books, novels, texts etc. Bearded and beardless.

There are also stories describing him in just his robes going into battle, which fall more toward Arabian, and as far as in full crusader armor replacing the helm with the domed skullcap and the moon/star instead of a cross.
That is quite the range. I suppose it isn't surprising given his fame, but it doesn't make it any less interesting.

I like your first pic more, there's something about the pose that appeals to me. However I agree with AldosKirin that I can't really figure out the face. Is his face covered with a scarf, or is he wearing a helmet?

[Vatsel]

Here's a start. (I don't think ill actually go ahead with these)

[Desmayado]

As for the sci-fi saladin's:
If they are well referenced to the time period and are easily recognizable as the character, I will allow it. Please, however, post your wips here so I can let you know if you're getting off track or not. Thanks!

More wips for tracking.

[AldosKirin]

On a side note, I pity any warrior wearing all those clothes under the hot sun of the desert, with sand getting everywhere and... BEARDS. D;

HEAT HEAT HEAT

[Volj]

*sigh* and so, while I'm packing those bags...

I guess final will be in the revision thread.

[AldosKirin]

Though I know we're allowed to portray him "larger than life".

Thanks!

Sudden image of Fat Sallahdin!

XDD

[AldosKirin]

Well, My first CHOW too. I don't know very well about the process yet, but I really hope I'll find out.


I'm a bit worried though, since I recently stepped into Digital illustration and my Painter is F*ck'd. I have photoshop too, but honestly I don't know how to use it effectively.

I guess I'll stick with traditional then, but.. Agh D: didn't wanted to!

Here's the sketch and concept for the character. Though, this is just a general view of Sallahdin and not the final composition!

[Tomás Aira]

Great CHOW! (that sounded like food ad -__-U)

So, I barely have the time to do work for myself, but I gotta learn and drawing lots is the best way. I always loved historical illustration, so what better for me to jump in.

Everybody is coming up with so great ideas, I loved thesaint and Lewis compositions. Stand up shots also coming great are Jason Snair's and shardana's. I'll try to give my little 2cents to every WIP as soon as posible.

So for my own: I wanted to do a dynamic pose and yet very illustrative of the character and clothing, much like the master Angus McBride, so I went with this:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5920/wip03v.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/wip03v.jpg/)

[Volj]

Tomás Aira nice pose (didn't it sound a bit weird?)! And great linework as well, dammit "I wish I could"... -__-

[DImanic]

Volj: That's starting to look really impressive, you have certainly captured the
look of a proud strong man. I wonder though, is his head just a 'tad' too small?
AldosKirin: Love the pencil work. Excellent on the detail.
thesaint:awesome comp I look forward to seeing it progress

Does anyone have good detailed reference for the weaponry and armor? I have
never done either before so I'm still at the research phase, maybe I'm, again getting
too hung up on detail. I've been searching but I haven't found any good images that I
can be sure is the right era. I'm not sure what the swords were called, or if the armor is specific.
I'm looking for close up detail so I can understand what I need to draw.


Thanks if anyone can help.

[VirusArtist]

ARGH.. finally a kickass historical topic and i'm swamped with work and my newborn entry. well.. less sleep for me this week... i'll do my best to get this one finished.

[Howie]

Volj: really like how big you made him, makes him feel threatening. I think the composition could be improved if you included his feet and added some negative space off to the left where he is looking.
Lewis: Nice start, really nice atmosphere going on and i love the expression on his face. Do you do any planning or sketches before starting the final piece or do you create as you go?
Jason Snair: Really nice sketch, love the pose
thesaint: Nice start, the initial sketch looks pretty evil. I would maybe make him more of the focus in the final painting, seems pushed off to the side.
Desmayado: Nice design, definitly more on the fantasy side of things. That helmet almost looks sci-fi.
ImaGEEnation: You captured the ethnicity well, maybe try flipping the image horizontally you might find some mistakes. I like the head dress you designed as well.
shardana: Looks a little young to be a sultan but i like the values you got going.
Pixeltuner: I really like the design, but i think his torso might be a little long or maybe his shoulders aren't wide enough.
Reymus: Nice thumbnails, i like the feathery/spikey things coming off the one guys back. Maybe give him a more dynamic pose.
brewin: Keep sketching, the ref you did looks nice and like the pose the other guy is in.
AldosKirin: Very nice design and the sketch looks great. Where his right (our left) side of the face meets the chainmail gets a little confusing.
Tomás Aira: That initial sketch is awesome, your lines are also awesome but i feel like he got a little stiff. Can't wait to see it finished.

Here are some thumbs, I like 3,7 and 8. Any commments would be very much appreciated.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Internalcow/saladinthumbs.jpg

[B-Man]

Great topic! Gonna do my best to find the time!
AldosKirin - nice dump its gonna help alot! :)
Tomás Aira - Nice start! his rightr hand looks a bit to small. but thats all I got for now. As for High tech I find it of topic a bit. but thats just me. :[

[Desmayado]

Working in color, light and shadows. I'm having fun with this. I Love armors. :)

[IIKII]

Recently i have been playing assassin creed and the designs seem to have alot of similarity..this chow going to be fun

[GRMC]

Hi guys, Nice going everyone

here is my wips :mod: and C&C-s please :sungod:

[elliste]

Howie: I like #6 & 8

Tomás Aira I like the style and angle that you chose.

Volj I really like the armor detail for your character

Lewis I think yours is going to be awesome. I like the sense of being in an epic battle

Jason Snair I think your character's face is nicely done. It has a honorable quality to it

Desmayado Your character has a lot of detail in it. I like the pose a lot



Here is what I have so far. I couldn't find a reference for the angle and I can't decide if the sword is out of whack or not. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. :D

Oh, and once again, wonderful topic. It really helps practice when you have something you want to draw and complete. :P


http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/Elliste/saladinsketch.jpg

[Legionoffear]

okeydokey,
my first CHOW and WIP,
Still try to get the hang of ma tablet, using Painter 11 (Tips are appreciated :P)
finding that my work on paper is more accurate and neater than on the tablet but I'll get the hang of it in time. Just need a lil practice :D
ok so its pretty basic. Still trying to figure out what to do for the left arm, might have him pointing or something. I think I will mount him on a horse...
C&C's greatly appreciated.

[Aly Fell]

Legion of fear - I've edited your post, that image was huge.

[AldosKirin]

Ok.

The curved stereotypical swords from the Saracen and Arabs are called Scimitars.
Here's some more reference, for those who were stuck with the weapon.
http://readingthedmg.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/we-scimitar1.jpghttp://www.cloudcastle.hut.ru/swords/images/Scimitar_Cadete_Handmade.jpghttp://www.piratemerch.com/images/scimitar_0500822_d_000.jpghttp://www.globalgear.com.au/images/saladin2.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/NinjaNerd321/wallaceswords.jpg

[Edriss]

This is a cool topic. I love history but I'm more into medieval England so this has been an interesting change. Thanks for all the refs posted so far, they've been handy. As part of my 'research' I had an excuse to watch Kingdom of Heaven today which was welcome.

Here's what I have of mine so far, since my last CHOW was a bit static and posed and horribly un-reffed I decided to have a go making Saladin a bit more illustrative. He's not painting, if I have time to finish it he'll be pointing at a map planning his next attack ;)

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[AldosKirin]

Whoa Edriss. It's awesome. I want to watch Kingdom of heaven again, though :P
I think Saladin was a poet as well, so... What if he painted too?

[Cartogriffi]

I love the poses Edriss and Tomás Aira. Saladin was a brilliant tactician so it's nice to see that brought out in some of these. :)

[thesaint]

Thanks for the comments, soon I'll comment the others, we're having great concepts here in this chow.
Here's another WIP:
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[Lewis]

Lewis: Nice start, really nice atmosphere going on and i love the expression on his face. Do you do any planning or sketches before starting the final piece or do you create as you go?


Thanks!
I do the latter. Why? :)

Tomas Aira: Nice pose, clothing and composition you got there mate :asspat: Would like to see his face jump out more, so we can see a better glance of his character
Thesaint: the motion, the suspense... GREAT :D I dont know about that left arm though. It seems too.... relaxing
Elliste: Good pose and I like your first sketch. The cape in the "worked" out version isnt doing its job though :P (frankly i didnt know what it was till i saw the sketch).. Love his blue headdress btw! Makes him pop out of the earthy colours around him :)
Howie: 7th or 8th thumbnail for sure!

[Mr. P Show.]

Here's what I got so far in the WIP department:

[Hendric VII]

There is a great story about the first meeting between Richard and Saladin that I read about back in school. They meet and Richard can't help but brag about the strenght of English Warhorses. Saladin simply says that his Arabian ponies can run circles around the huge animals. Richard says that English armor can turn Muslim spears and arrows. Saladin says the crusaders often cook in their metal armor and either cast it off before battle or swoon from the heat. Richard becomes angry and orders his men to bring an iron bar into the tent. Richard draws his great sword and cleaves the bar in twain with a shower of sparks and a mighty yell. Top that he says to Saladin. Without changing his expression Saladin draws his scimitar and slices a couch pillow neatly inhalf, mimics Richards mightly yell and sits back down.
I don't know if it's true or not but I always liked it because it showed the difference between the fury and strengh of the crusaders and the calculated strategy of the Muslim warriors. Hope it helps someone with the mood. Good luck all.

[Eric Young]

my sketch for Saladin.

[Steve Marworthy]

Started with some scribbles until something rough emerged.

[Eric Young]

Color blocked in, i think i'm done for tonight. More work tomorrow. Comments and critiques are welcome.

[Tomás Aira]

So I took a little time to look at everyone's work

Volj: looking pretty menacing! I'd say to look on the face, expression's perfect, but I think more volume will look better, the cheek looks kind of plain

Lewis: I tottally visualized a skeletal horse in flames on that foreground X-D face is looking very expressive, try not to take out the viewer's look from it with the horse, it will be too close and will catch attention

Jason Snair: I've already told you I loved the pose, and still do! maybe the left elbow is not very loose, you do not get to see if he put the sword to point at the floor or it's wiping out blood from it.

Desmayado: Love the attitude, the sci-fi comign great, but he looks a little to big-headed for that helmet, and the big head also makes him look small. I'd go taller, but that's my call

GRMC: looking great, when I saw it I thought "hey that is the fist pose everyone should've tried!" fits the character perfect. The moon, though, makes the right top side of the illustration kind of empty, try putting it there, center right.

elliste: the most amazing reference EVER is yourself on a digital camera with timer. watch out for cloth folding details, your work is pretty much all clothes ans sand, you want to get those right!

Howie: 7 all the way. All are great, though. I'm working the stiffness, thank you!

Aldoskirin: looking good, I'd say to put some shadow on the floor while sketching, his left feet does seems kind of high. Watch out that the armor curves outward to make room for a chest cavity! X-D Also, those armors were worn over lots of padding, so everyone looked bigger.

brewin: post more!!!

Reymus: firs sketch is very dramatic, but if CHOW is about character design, it shows much better on the second one

thesaint: remember who is the protagonist, there's too little room for saladin and too much for everyone else. The composition is good, so if you don't want to start over, I'd look for ways to make Saladin more eye-appealing to the spectator using different saturation and contrast than the rest of the action.

Pixeltuner: do not chop the sword!

shardana: just as it is looks great. I do not like much of the beardless-type, though.

imaGEEnation: we are waiting for the full body shot man, don't leave us hanging! X-D

Edriss: great idea, great pose, I'll vote for you right now! buy maybe the right feet... I don't know, it seems the leg too curved inward, and the feet should not be almost behind the left one, it's to femenine.

Mr P Show: same as I told Lewis and thesaint, make us focus on Saladin, the rest are (or should be) accesories to tell who Saladin is.

Arthur 'Two Sheds': please please finish it. If you don't tell Edriss I'll vote yours. Looking amazing!

The Original: I love the peace it shows (nevermind being an ass-kicking warlord, you gotta look good while resting too!) Maybe you can lower the sword, give it a more resting attitude. I mean, if you got an attitude you have to stick to it to the end!

Thanks for the comments, hope I'll make it.

[Vatsel]

Taking my time with this one, having fun with poses and designs ;)

[adamsimons]

here is the sketch for my first chow entry:mod:

[Just Call Me Bruce!]

There is some good stuff going on here, good luck all:sungod:
Here's my WIP (going a bit slower then I would have liked).
I still have to denude him, finish his cape and there will be (hopefully) a couple of soldiers behind him, then the painting begins :mod:

[Howie]

lewis:I'm never really sure how to go about designing a character because whenever I try and dive right in I worry more about the anatomy and pose instead of the design and as a result the design is pretty boring. But when I do landscapes out of my head I feel more comfortable making it up as I go. I wish I could take the comfort level I have doing landscapes and apply that to a character but since there is so much to worry about in regards to anatomy and posing its pretty tough. I only ask because yours looks pretty solid so far without doing any planning.

thanks for the feedback guys, I mixed 7 and 8...just realized his headdress is making him look more Indian rather than Muslim I gotta change that.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Internalcow/saladin.jpg

[Legionoffear]

Yours is look awesome Mr. P show.! Cant wait to see more :D

[IIKII]

Not good with armor and drapery, going to do more studies on them

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[gerezon]

Thomas Aira: Really nice, looking forward to see it finished.
Arthur Two Sheds: Looking great!

Here's my take:
http://gerezon.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/sal4-copy.jpg

[pahavasa]

Better late than never, right? Great challenge.

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[parascytheJack]

i found this thread interesting. Knowing who saladin was it urge me to draw him. This is my first entry for CHOW I did join once on CoW. I still dont know what to do with it..

[Quinn Simoes]

Hi,

Started this a couple nights ago, historical figures are always challenging!

Really great progress by everyone so far!

[Edriss]

AldosKirin: Thanks :)
Cartogriffi: I was originally going to do the ol' epic charge on a horse but decided that it'd take me forever to paint Saladin himself let alone the horse.
Tomás Aira: Thanks for the pointers on the feet, I'm hoping to fix them as I go along.
IIKII: I like your design for his robes in the second sketch but there is something about his body that is bugging me, it seems maybe a little too big for his head.
pahavasa. Wow, I can't wait to see this one finished.

Here's an update on mine, sort of working from the head down so I haven't gotten round to the legs yet.
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[isso09]

Never posted in the wip thread before.. Here's a pencil sketch to get some pose/clothing ideas. Kinda boring right?

In terms of the other posts, I personally think it's better not to portray the character fighting, because that could make the impression that he was renowned for his skill, courage or even ruthlessness in battle, as opposed to good tactics and military strategy. I suppose he may have fought within the ranks at one point or another, but I saw some sketches that made him look like a bloodthirsty warmonger. I don't think that's how he would have wanted himself to be remembered.

That's my two cents.

[Tesla]

I'm entring too!
I have to re-do the pose
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk257/dimmu_khold/MyArt/sketch2-saladino.jpg

[njoo]

Hi guys, this is my first time in CHOW, I've always just entered COW, thought i'd play around in CHOW, always thought it was a bit intimidating with so much super talented artist.

Here's my take on Saladin, c/c welcome! Thanks!
(btw is WIP required? or is there some formal way to do it,etc I noticed everyone seem to be following some type of guideline for posting WIP) *well that was answered hehe, I'll put up the WIP tomorrow after I search through my message PSDs and save them properly)

[thesaint]

Reymus: I prefer the second one, he seems more historically acurate.
Desmayado: I'm liking the colors so far.
Volj: Very good, maybe you should sharpen those details a little, the image seems like it's a little blurred.
AldosKirin: First of all, thanks a lot for all the userfull resources! I like your design so far, it's very realistic.
Tomás Aira: Loved your pose, really dinamic. Good colors too, I'm looking foward to see the final piece.
elliste: Thanks for the tip, I tryed to put it in pratice. I liked the angle and the pose. Good expression too, I just didn't understood what is that thing behind him, a cape?
GRMC: I loved the style. I wanna see it finished!
Legion of fear: Very good start (much better then my first one =P) just take care with the proportions, his legs too small.
Mr. P Show: Holy shit, that angle is awesome.
Arthur 'Two Sheds': Amazing concept, but he is reminding a samurai to me. And finish it! It's really good. :D
Quinn Simoes: It's VEERY good, in my personal opinion his armor is looking like an elf armor :P but it's great.
Edriss: Exelent pose I think, I wanna see it finished.

Yet another WIP here, thanks for the coments everyone, I decided to crop part of the image, play with the saturation and some motion FX to make Saladin more important in the image. Here it is:

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[Aly Fell]

njoo - that's a fab image, but we do need WIPs so we can see your process. This is the thread for showing development. Either myself or Daestwen will put up the Final Burning thread later today or tomorrow.

[daestwen]

njoo: To elaborate, yes, you need to show wips. The Final Burning thread will go up soon, and there you will post your file (using the attachment editor, with the naming convention given) as well as your progress shots. There is no rule for *how* to present your wips, that's up to you.

[B-Man]

:D damn it I was kinda hoping wouldnt need to post wips. Although its good with crits.
Good job all!
Here is the wips for my Chow 167: Saladin

[AldosKirin]

Hi guys, this is my first time in CHOW, I've always just entered COW, thought i'd play around in CHOW, always thought it was a bit intimidating with so much super talented artist.

Here's my take on Saladin, c/c welcome! Thanks!
(btw is WIP required? or is there some formal way to do it,etc I noticed everyone seem to be following some type of guideline for posting WIP) *well that was answered hehe, I'll put up the WIP tomorrow after I search through my message PSDs and save them properly)

Looks awesome! really.

I really like it, though, I feel him more as a samurai. Don'taskmewhy. D:

[jhgoforth]

Recently i have been playing assassin creed and the designs seem to have alot of similarity..this chow going to be fun

of course silly, Assassin's creed took place in the same period that Saladin was active. That period of Crusading was one of the most fascinating. Between the two titans of Richard the Lionheart (for all his foibles of character even he was a wiser man than many of his contemporaries) and Saladin (who knew when to fight and when to talk). Guy of Lusignan and Baldwin IV (the leper king in some stories) were fascinating in their own right, as well as the battles and maneuvers constantly taking place.

[Mark Tarrisse]

Okkkk, it's been a while since I didn't participated to a CHOW, soo here's a little start, I hope I'll be able to finish it :)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/markus_the_barbarian/Saladin_WIP01.jpg

[Cartogriffi]

Here's an update on mine, sort of working from the head down so I haven't gotten round to the legs yet.
Well I'm glad you went for this approach :)

The face looks wonderful. The feet/legs have some odd angles. I realize this is partially because of his puffy pants and mostly because you haven't gotten there yet, but I figured I'd mention it.

Here's my take on Saladin, c/c welcome! Thanks!
While I'm certainly partial to the depictions of Saladin in less-combat oriented poses your picture is wonderful. It also caries its more fantastic elements very well.

[pauscorpi]

This round is already full of awesome entries - can't wait to see all the finished versions ; tnx CHOW for such a cool topic :)

i d like to give it a go , time allowing; i just got inspired to do a little sketch of his face ; in case i finish it , he'll be on the contemplative side ; hopefully showig off the jaded expression of a life-long warrior and the wisdom of a leader of his rank , or something along those lines :P

[elliste]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/Elliste/saladinwip.jpg

Thank you for the feed back on the cape and cloth. I've adjusted it... alot. lol Any crits to help me refine it are very much appreciated. :)

Markusthebarbarian: I like your character's face and posture. It gives it a very commanding air

Tesla: I think the background colors you've chosen are beautiful. I can't wait to see it fleshed out

Howie: I like how you mixed the two pieces together. I think there is a lot of detail you can pull from your sketches

Tomás Aira I might have to invest in a tripod... your suggestion is a very good one. At the moment I use my poor husband as a guinea pig :P

[Tommoy]

Inspiring work everyone.

[Eric Young]

great job everyone, everything is looking awesome.
I got some more work done. Im really happy with how it's coming out, the chain mail especially i think looks good. All thanks to Darken who posted a video tutorial on how to make a chain mail brush and how to use it. Here is a link to it incase anyone else would like to know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJL-HGjqsRo

The only thing in the video that I did that he didn't was I turned on bevel and emboss on the layer I was using the chain mail.

[Shard]

here's an update on mine..sorting out the design, added some beard, definately looking older now but for some reason his face keeps reminding me of jesus lol
oh well..something else to sort out later..

[parascytheJack]

i made a new one using similar position.

[morgalahan]

This is a rather intimidating CHOW at the moment, amazing work everyone!

[dashinvaine]

Inspiring topic. Here's my take, so far. By the way he did get trounced by Richard the Lionheart twice, at Acre and Arsuf, and Baldwin the teenage leper beat him at Montguisard, so he wasn't quite all that.

[B-Man]

Jason Snair - Nice pose and a strong impresson! Me want to se finished

The Saint - Saladin looks a bit evil. :)

Volj - His proportions is still off. Hes to wide.

ImaGeenation - he looks a bit skew. but I guess you seen that. :)

Shardana - Great value tone.

Pixeltuner - Good start I like the design especially the helmet. :D

Raymus - Intresting design but what are those things on his back?

Brewin - Wonder where your sketches will take you. :) Have you decided on a design yet?

Desmayado - I guess your a bit of subject, Ithought the brief stated "Historic" but intresting take. :)

Aldoskirin - Nice armour design but its a character design so work more on saladin and try to show some character in him. Maybe work on his face. :) Good start.

Tomas Aira - Great pose and composition, me like! :D

Howie - Great thumbs I like 7 the most. Nice mix. :)

GRMC - He looks almost like a statue. :) slab some color on it!

Legionoffear - He looks like his balance is of. Try think of how he stands and put up some guidelines when you start the sketch. :)

Edriss - His left leg looks like its a bit to long, it should be easy to fix. I like your take on the subject! :D

Mr. P Show - Its more a action scene then it is a character concept. Other then that good job :)

The original[E] - Its a character concept, try and show more of his face. Its looks kinda strange seeing him from the back almost. :)

Arthur Two Sheds - Lovely! Splendid colors!

Stewe Marworthy - I dont really se whats going on but I guess its lots of action! :)

Adamsimons - Good start hes looking heroic! :)

Just call me bruce - Nice horse but you havnt put alot of time on Saladin yet. :)

IIkII - The second one is the best! Nice design. :D

Gerezon - I love his nose! :D

Pahavasa - Nice colors. :)

Parascy the Jack - He looks creepy. :}

Quinn Simones - Nice armour design, and good rendering. :)

Isso 09 Nice sketch! keep it up.

Tesla - I like the colours but he looks kinda like a slave. :P

njoo - Lovely rendering and design! :D The proportions are of though. His head looks way to small and his body is hard to read. :) Thje sword is kickass!

Growly beast - Good start, you might want to show more of his body. :)

Marcus the barbarian - Nice, but hes a bit far away. :)

Pauscorp - Lets hope you finish it. :)

elliste - I would remove the dark shadow behind him. :)

Tommoy - Nice wip with lovely shapes and contrast. :)

dashinvaine - Nice start. you need to show more of him though. :)

Im sorry if I missed someone I tried to comment on everyones wips.
Good job all! And Its gonna be exiting! Cheers!

[Tesla]

Ty much!! I changed pose to this (the first) but i'm not still sure about royality
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk257/dimmu_khold/Posex2.jpg
When does the final burning ends?

[Just Call Me Bruce!]

another two days work on saladin, lots more work to do, but have to go to bed :zzz: and start again tomorrow :muscle:

[Aly Fell]

Dashinvaine - We need more than a portrait. Three quarters at least. :)

[Shard]

so this is pretty much my final, hope you guys like it..

i'm trying to get the habit of recording my sessions..
nothing particularly amazing anyway but I thought some of you might find helpful seeing the process? if so let me know and i'll upload a few..

[dashinvaine]

Well I don't know whether I'll be doing much more to this, but here is is with a splash of colour... Allah Akhbar!

[pahavasa]

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[dashinvaine]

Some fantastic Saladins in this thread. :)

[daestwen]

pahavasa, that is *awesome*. The horse looks a little thick to me, though? Looks more like a european war horse than one of the Arabians, but I have no idea what kind of horse he rode so take that as you will. :]

[dashinvaine]

@Jessibean, Great reference! but like all reference you have to be careful with it. I hate sounding like a know it all beardy but i love history and i love the history of the Crusades and the referance you looks a bit wrong to me the picture on the top left look like 16th or 17th century Ottaman turks wrond period wrong region! The contemporary image of Saladin is wearing 15thC european plate armour, The Templars looks spot on but the Franks are too early, more 1st crusade than 3rd crusade:)

Again sorry for being such a beardy tit i can't help it!!

Just to nit pick with your nit pick, those aren't Templars. One is a Teutonic Knight, the other of the Livonian Swordbrethren. As for the rest, you're quite right.

[Phaethon]

Took me a while to get a sketch I liked, but here it is. I'm going to do the final in Illustrator - maybe experiment with some textures.

[pixel cheetah]

This will be an epic CHOW! Here is my take on Saladin: nothing beats the good old cavalry charge!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/gil-galad/Saladin_01b.jpg

[AldosKirin]

This will be an epic CHOW! Here is my take on Saladin: nothing beats the good old cavalry charge!



I think a thick wall does. I'm pretty sure, actually. Like those on ol' good Jerusalem.

[Tesla]

pahavasa i don't think it looks like european one, although i'm not very good about horses. But I just saw its bended 'arm', i think it's a little back and strange one bended and other no (i only have seen if it's on the ground, although i'm not very good, as i said), and the belt on withers-shoulder can be confusing with saladin clothes.
Other thing... I luv it!!

[Mr. P Show.]

Man! I hope I get to finish this. Work and errands suck bad!

[daestwen]

pahavasa: Here's what I mean about the horse: Here is an arabian (http://www.allbestpictures.com/wallpapers/animals_and_wildlife/image/black_arabian_mare,_arabian_horse.jpg) and here is a Friesian (http://www53.tok2.com/home2/bronco/Friesian%20Horse4.jpg). You can see that the arabian has a much thinner neck and not so heavy hooves, compared to the Friesian that was bred in Europe for the crusades.

Hope this is helpful. :]

(Also, that friesian pic there is a great ref for the pose you're trying for!)

[Howie]

Desmayado: colors look nice so far but I would get rid of the glow. I know we're allowed to include fantasy elements but the glow takes him out of the time period he is supposed to be from.

GRMC: I like the loose start, but I think you need to double check your anatomy. Where is right arm meets his torso looks a little off and the horses legs are too short. Also if you show where the horses feet meet the ground i think it would help out the composition.

elliste: Thanks for the feedback. I like the sandstorm idea but i think the sand gets a little too dark compared the right side of the picture. You did a nice job with folds in his robe, big improvement to your initial sketches. Try to incorporate that aqua blue into other parts of the image so that its not only in one spot.

Legionoffear: Nice start, I like the design. I'm not quite sure what emotion he is supposed to be showing. Is he showing fear at an overwhelming force coming towards him? He seems to be leaning to the right a little, try flipping the canvas horizontally.

Edriss: Great idea, I like the pose but where his right (our left) book meets his pant leg looks a little weird.

thesaint: The blur helps put more focus on Saladin and I'm glad you decided to crop out the guy he is attacking, definitly feels more about him now.

Mr. P Show.: Nice composition, i would just add more space on the left to include his sword and take away some unnecessary space on the right.

The Original [E]: I like the sketch and the hopeless attitude is an interesting idea. Give his sword a little more space from the edge of the canvas or lowering it like Tomás Aira would help convey his emotion even more.

Arthur 'Two Sheds': Awesome start, really like the atmosphere you got going ... can't wait to see it finished

Steve Marworthy: Cool thumbnail, love the movement you got going.

brewin: Cool sketches, keep going :)

adamsimons: I like the upward angle and the reactions of the enemies around him. The horses head is too small.

Just Call Me Bruce!: Nice, his pose looks a little stiff and I would take a look at some horse anatomy, his front legs look shorter than his back ones

IIKII: I really like the 2nd but the angle that he is holding the swords feels a little unnatural.

gerezon: Really like it so far, especially his face expression

pahavasa: Excellent job, Great colors and i love the pose.

parascytheJack: The pose makes him look a little nervous.. not sure if that's what you were going for. I'm interested to see what you do with the negative space.

Quinn Simoes: Looks amazing so far, really nice design. Can't wait to see it finished.

isso09: Nice sketch, I'm not really sure what he is doing or looking at but maybe it has yet to be drawn.

Tesla: I agree the pose needs some work, but I like the colors. I would maybe crop him in a little more so he takes up more of the picture. Just saw your second sketch, the composition and pose works a lot better.

njoo: Beautiful design, you have a ton of skill. Only thing bothering me is his left (our right) foot, it kind of looks backwards. I expect his sole to curve inward more.

B-Man: Nice design, I really like the angle. Any plans for the background?

growly beast: Nice start, I like the long hair... his torso/ribcage area looks a little wide.

Markusthebarbarian: Nice start so far, great values and composition. He looks menacing.

pauscorpi: Cool face, look forward to seeing more

Tommoy: Nice start, I like the pose you put the horse in ... it really helps lead the viewers eye

shardana: Very nice, you did a really nice job with the face, i think the folds in his cloths could have used a little more polish

dashinvaine: Values are looking good, if you include more of his body I think you might need a more dynamic pose than just standing straight. I think the green you used for the background is competing with the red too much, maybe dull it down a bit.

Phaethon: Very cool style, can't wait to see it colored

pixel cheetah: try looking at some references of charging horses to get a good feel for the pose and proportions.

Here's an update for mine, comments as always very much appreciated
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Internalcow/saladin2.jpg

[humboldt squid]

Here's an update for mine, comments as always very much appreciated
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Internalcow/saladin2.jpg

Dude's torso\ legs seem pretty short, but it could just be his skirt that makes it seem that way.

The bigger issue is that he's not doing anything interesting, he's just kinda standing there. Also there needs to be a strong directional light, since it's the desert after all.

[lkjhgfdsa]

wor in progress time...
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/jonoy/Speedpaint/saladin_lkjhgfdsa_wip1.jpg

[Jaytea]

wip numba one
first post in any community events I hope I did it right .-.;

:C yeah he looks like he's about to fall over will fix if I feel like finishing.

tesla I love the colors in that one @____@

[Eric Young]

next wip, i lowered the sword and shortened it from the edge. i was trying to work on the far right hand and redid it a few times. do you guys think it looks ok or does it need to be reworked again?

[njoo]

I was told to put WIP so here it is~ Thanks everyone for the c/c, I might come back to it if I have time but here it is, looking forward to seeing everyone's entries!

[pahavasa]

Thanks everyone for the c&c, really appreciated! daestwen, thanks for the refs, I'll try to push the horse a bit more to make him look more arabic. It seems I've been staring at it for too long to notice it anymore myself, but fortunately there are people here who do and give feedback instantly.
Tesla, you're right about the belt and the leg, thanks again!

[Steve Marworthy]

I had some more time to scribble tonight. Yes, this Saladin rides backwards :P I think i'll drop the back leg as it is and really twist the horse around, as though he's taking a sharp turn before he gets impaled

[Mr. P Show.]

You got it Howie. I think it's a great idea. I'll post it up on next update to see what you think.:)

[dashinvaine]

If I were starting again with a full figure, more dynamic scene, I'd probably do something like this- Saladin's execution of Reynald de Chatillon after the Battle of Hattin, in the presence of king Guy de Lusignan of Jerusalem and Grand master Gerard de Ridefort of the Templars (who was the only Templar prisoner to be spared).

[Tesla]

Wellcome :)
Wow Steve, your Saladin is brave :D But as personal idea, I think it's better to don't draw his back, because in chow we want see him.

Hehe, thank you guys... I changed the pose again, i though the only royalty way with a flag was in a horse so... here another one! Cropped a little too
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk257/dimmu_khold/MyArt/saladino2.jpg

[prelude2tragedy]

I'm entering, too! :D
Hope I'm not too far off with my own design. I'm still trying to make it work, especially the bottom half. Errr, yeah.

Everyone's doing such a great job. :)

Steve Marworthy - Nice toosh, haha! :tihi: I'm curious now. ^^

njoo - That is pure *awesome*. As always!

The Original [E] - Interesting pose. Maybe it's just your style but I'm not fond of the shading, it looks a bit "plastic". I would tone down the blue in the background, play with the colors some more and then use those colors to blend in the character. I think that would really pull it together.

lkjhgfdsa - I like the intricate work in the armor, it's really good. His body is kinda wonky though, I think he couldn't be standing up like that. And some parts are too flat (the form of the thighs should be visible underneath that cloth, for example).

http://www.prelude2tragedy.com/uploaded_images/167_wip01.jpg

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EDIT: New WIP:

http://www.prelude2tragedy.com/uploaded_images/167_wip03.jpg

Now he's falling to one side... *sigh* I need to fix that. I'm not liking it so far but it has been a good experience overall. I learned some new techniques. :D

[dashinvaine]

A bit further on...

[dashinvaine]

;2357707']next wip, i lowered the sword and shortened it from the edge. i was trying to work on the far right hand and redid it a few times. do you guys think it looks ok or does it need to be reworked again?

I'd say the sword needs to be longer, and curved. It also needs to look metallic, maybe catching the sun on the edge.

[.pc]

Great stuff guys, lots of great stuff this round.

dashinvaine: Your Saladin seems surprised. And doesn't carry as much 'weight' as the crusader he is about to behead.

A little wip , but a couple of hours went into his face :(

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss313/immelmann_turn/saladinwip1.jpg

[thesaint]

Nice chow everyonve, thanks for the tips and advices I think my concept is done here. By the way, I decided to flip him.

Until next CHOW!

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[Simon Boxer]

Hey njoo, awesome character design! Hope you don't mind me posting a hacky paintover though - I thought the legs looked a bit awkward. I initially read it as if the leg behind was actually coming from the foremost knee, which didn't make sense, but it kind of looks a bit disconnected from the upper part of the leg behind. If you're gonna stick with that pose I think the lower part of the leg behind may benefit from being shuffled right and up a bit, but I thought a better alternative would be to have him running, something like as below (I switched the legs around):

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Anyway, yea... I admire your designing skills! Great entry nonetheless.

[dashinvaine]

The Saint, your Saladin figure is great. One thing, though- the crusader sword going flying should be a longer, and the blade shold taper towards the point rather than appear to widen. It should also have a round pommel (counter-weight) at the end of the grip.

Immelman turn- thanks for the advice.

[Fahad]

Hi / Peace all.

This is a kick ass topic! And the entries seem very very good!!

Below is my initial sketch. I just hope I can come close to finishing it in time.

C&C are most welcome.

Thanks.

[Phaethon]

This is pretty close to the final. Thoughts?

[Eric Young]

I think this is the final for me unless anyone has any finally critiques I can make.

[B-Man]

Dead line closing in! :) I Was a bit fast with poasting my final but i whont find more time for working on it. Best of luck to all!

Oh, and Is it OK to post my saladin entry in my Sketchbook? :)
Cheers all!

[Eric Young]

B-man - yeah i'm sure it's fine to post it in your sketchbook.

[Mr. P Show.]

How's this Howie? I'm gonna add a background to balance the drawing out.

[daestwen]

Dead line closing in! :) I Was a bit fast with poasting my final but i whont find more time for working on it. Best of luck to all!

Oh, and Is it OK to post my saladin entry in my Sketchbook? :)
Cheers all!

You may of course post it wherever you like. :] Though it's done for chow, it is your image, after all!

[B-Man]

Thanks, I just didnt wanna get my entry bumped because of some rules I havnt read. :) Maybe Im to careful sometimes. Cheers!

[Mayu_Zane]

Agh it looks like I won't be able to finish my entry on time. Oh well.

Good luck to everyone else!

[Legionoffear]

hello All,
Thanks for all your C&Cs they were really helpfully. appreciated :D
just a question, that was my first post ever with a wip attached.
What is the general size you guys would use for a chow entry?
Im not sure if im doing it to big or to small

[Eric Young]

Legionoffear - I usually resize my images to 600 or 700 pixels. I think around that is the norm.

[B-Man]

I dont want to sound like a duche but isnt some of u guys missing the point with Character concepts? I thought a CHOW is an illustrated presentations of a character and not actionshots involving the character. At what point do you get bumped from polls? I hope that if you get to far from what at CHOW is you get warned. I do understand that it is fun to elaborate with cool action and alot of background and detail.
Take Character concepts for movies and games, they never even put backgrounds on the initial design. I think you all are working hard and that should be recognised but at one point I think some of you started paining scenes and not character designs. :)
I hope I didnt insult anyone.

[.pc]

damnnnnn, i don't think i can finish.. but will try :P

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss313/immelmann_turn/saladinwip2.jpg

[Eric Young]

B-man - I kinda agree with you, although the work usually is great it isn't that effective as concept art. That's why I think we should have a section on this site called illustration of the week where people can illustrate different scenes.

[Mark Tarrisse]

Well I'm still working on it, I'm not too happy for the moment, maybe I won't post it to the finals, I don't know... :S

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/markus_the_barbarian/Saladin_WIP03.jpg

[Aly Fell]

I dont want to sound like a duche but isnt some of u guys missing the point with Character concepts? I thought a CHOW is an illustrated presentations of a character and not actionshots involving the character. At what point do you get bumped from polls? I hope that if you get to far from what at CHOW is you get warned. I do understand that it is fun to elaborate with cool action and alot of background and detail.
Take Character concepts for movies and games, they never even put backgrounds on the initial design. I think you all are working hard and that should be recognised but at one point I think some of you started paining scenes and not character designs. :)
I hope I didnt insult anyone.
B-Man - It's up to the individual to present their concept in the way that seems most appropriate. The debate over 'illustration versus design' has been had many times here, and I'm not keen to revisit it yet again. On occasions we have strict 'turnaround/orthographic' challenges but they prove less popular and to be honest you can present much of a character design in a one off illustration anyway if sensible. A lot of people use ChOW and the other weeklies for the opportunity to produce a portfolio piece or as part of their learning process. And yes I do agree, strict character design doesn't usually require a dynamic action shot as the sole resource, but ChOW is about having fun as well.

[B-Man]

Im all for having fun! :D Thanks for answering my question! :)

[pixel cheetah]

Someone took my comment about the cav charge way too seriously. ,-)

Anyway, scratch that charge I got a different idea. I am not sure that I will have the time to finish it up.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/gil-galad/20090726_IMG_0013_small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/gil-galad/CHOW_Saladin_small.jpg

[AldosKirin]

Someone took my comment about the cav charge way too seriously. ,-)

Anyway, scratch that charge I got a different idea. I am not sure that I will have the time to finish it up.



haha

Silly joke. But anyway, I'm going veeeery slow. Getting used with lost of stuff isn't my strong point.

[Lewis]

Immelman_Turn: Hey man, I just think you need to put some feet under him, and then it's "finished". I like the earthy tones. The whole picture makes me think 11th century. Which is good in this CHOW ;)
Markusthebarbarian: :assspank: I love the yellow/gold. Great job!

I worked on mine an hour more.
Tomorrow morning ill try and finish it. Does anyone of you guys have any quick advise?

Im having trouble with shading/lighting the horse :/

[pixel cheetah]

Lewis: why is he pulling those reins that hard? Seems to break the neck of the poor horse. Also he is sitting way too back on the horse IMO - he should be closer to the neck- the lenght of the reins shows it: it is very long.

AldosKirin: np, I should have used a smile on the first place like this ;)

[daestwen]

pixel cheetah: You need to show at least 3/4ths of the character - right now you're cutting too much out!

[Tesla]

:[ still not finished, but i gotta sleep..

[Vatsel]

Rushing to get this one done!
Deadline is only T-11 hours

[Fahad]

I hope I can finish this... :/

[pixel cheetah]

daestwen: Thanks reminding me. I should read more carefully! I think I will skip this one.

[Fipse]

Damned ... missed the deadline (or confused it somehow) ....

Anyway here´s my Saladin ... too stiff for my taste and it really didn´t work out the way I wanted him. I did more of a historical illustration and thought how would he really have looked. I gave him - because he´s a Kurd - an equipment based mostly on persian sources of the beginning of the 13th century. He would wear the most fashionable stuff for sure.

As an important war leader he wears a mace with an animal head like it´s shown in contemporary art. He wears a straight sayf sword like most persian and arab troops did at this time. The curved swords came in fashion later with turkish and central asian influences. His armour is heavy kharzaghand armour - double mail covered by a heavy and costly brocade or satin cloth. The helmet is covered by cloth too. I decided not to give him the complete jawshan cuirass.

A lot more thought into research than in the final drawing but research is easy for me, just grabbing back at some books in my shelves :P

http://www.grafips.de/ca/historisch/saladin_chow.jpg

Fipse

[Fahad]

Damned ... missed the deadline (or confused it somehow) ....


Heheh, I also confused it. I actually stopped drawing 4 hours before the deadline, thinking it was over already. Then found out it isn't, 1.5 hours to go. First timer :| .

Good Saladin, btw.

[Cartogriffi]

Anyway here´s my Saladin ... too stiff for my taste and it really didn´t work out the way I wanted him. I did more of a historical illustration and thought how would he really have looked. I gave him - because he´s a Kurd - an equipment based mostly on persian sources of the beginning of the 13th century. He would wear the most fashionable stuff for sure.

As an important war leader he wears a mace with an animal head like it´s shown in contemporary art. He wears a straight sayf sword like most persian and arab troops did at this time. The curved swords came in fashion later with turkish and central asian influences. His armour is heavy kharzaghand armour - double mail covered by a heavy and costly brocade or satin cloth. The helmet is covered by cloth too. I decided not to give him the complete jawshan cuirass.
This is wonderful, it's unfortunate that you weren't able to get it in to the poll.

[Jason Snair]

Well, I completely missed this challenge. Was away on vacation, Comic-con, etc.

I really wanted to give it a shot, though. I got home last tuesday, and gave myself one week to finish, just to be fair. I've got more to fix up, but here it is.

Nice work everyone.