Jason Manley: Color and the Theory of Light - Closed

[Jason Manley]

UPDATE...TIME IS 1PM CENTRAL DAYLIGHT TIME. Replacing image. I am in Austin tx..which is central daylight. We will start the show then.

You can cover your tuition here: http://www.conceptartstore.com/stcl.html



Welcome. COLOR AND THE THEORY OF LIGHT is one of the most elusive courses in education. In all of my teaching, studies, or travels, I have yet to see one class anywhere that all of this information is shared, even over multiple semesters in Art School. Well this Saturday it is on ConceptArt.Org, LIVE, streaming and in your room.

This coming Saturday, we will be delving deeply into the importance of lighting theory for illustration, concept design, Fine Art, 3d, film, games, comics, and visual media of all kinds. There will be more information announced shortly but I thought to add some info so those who are interested in their artistic growth may have something good to look forward to.

Communicating the visual feeling of light, and depth of mood is of the utmost importance when making art, no matter the field or industry. Today's art world requires a spectrum of understandings related to both visual and cultural color theories. Accurate, abstract, and emotional qualities of color will be focused on. We will cover basic, intermediate and advanced color theory as directly related to making visual art. Students will learn how to create focal areas, pictorial space through color movements and atmospheric perspective as well as narrative color control for precise and purposeful visual storytelling. Basic lighting theory will be heavily focused on including topics of temperature, value, saturation, compliment lighting, and palette choice for mood variation.

Date: Sunday July 26 2009 (Sunday date added as this was originally the thread for Sat and is now Sun)
Time: 1pm - 5pm Central DAYLIGHT Time http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=24 i.e. 1PM here in Austin Texas.
Cost: 95 USD

This course will be taught live and online. Students will be allowed to chat and ask questions of each other during the lecture and presentation in order to better understand the discussion. I will answer questions as time allows, as we have much to cover. It is a thorough course and you will want to take notes.

This course will be in HD and requires a standard broadband connection. 56k beware! If you are located in Timbuktoo and have a very poor internet connection I will be running a test in the next day or two. Watch the forums here for times and more information, or add me on Facebook and I will update there too. www.facebook.com/creativedreams is my profile there.

Information on how this works will be announced shortly.

I taught a portion of this course in New Zealand at the Marama Workshop. I asked the audience, which was more than half filled with professionals from companies like Weta, Krome Studios and many more, an important question. "How many of you got this in art school?" The answer was unfortunate...none. Well we are going to do something about that here on CA. This topic is going to be shared, explored, and utilized to help artists make better work immediately. Your work will improve because your color understanding will be honed and your eyes opened to how light, mood, and color communication works. I have taught this class many times now and have expanded it to include more info on a variety of fields and how this most important foundation can be utilized every time you sit with the brush or pen.


Hope to see you there! Watch this thread for more info over the coming days.



Jason




UPDATE 1:

Those taking the course will retain access to a video copy of it for their own usage, in streaming form, here on the site. If you need to review, we are hosting it for you. It will only be available for those attending the course with me directly. We will have other services available next year perhaps...but right now the future is upon us.


Now on to the WHY?

If I am taking the time to do this to support the community. Aside from teaching this course based on my primary core studies in art over the past thirteen years, and sharing that knowledge with everyone, there is a goal I have for you all. The reason I am doing this right now is that we are still thousands of dollars short of completing the new blog/profile/main page/and social networking features, including a better jobs site. If I want to see that done for all of you, I have to raise the cash to make it happen. This is being done to support the growth of CA. The new main page is going to be killer. The amount of content for the new page that is stored up is really deep and it will be the primary news source for art online when I am done. Thanks to some talented folks, we have an excellent example and layout in which to work with. Gotta get going though. CA needs the funds to do it so here I am.

What we have done so far (aside from this course and pertaining to the site upgrades):

Final skins are in progress. Example/Prototype is done.
Loads of podcasts are in progress and done.
Main page admins are found and ready to rock (Dwight and Swain from SideBar Nation are helping the community)
Tech firm is found and ready to go as soon as budget is in. Bid is complete.
Forums and systems are all updated and bug tested. Ready to add the new tech. The latest forums features are in place. Ready to now add the new tech. The online school site is in early development. This budget is also having to be raised. Thanks to our featured artist Sammy, we have another instructor to help me get this going after this course is done.
The blog system is designed, as is the auto-updater.


If there is enough interest I will do another time. I don't mind staying up for you guys. I am doing that now already. Been working all night.

Thanks for the interest everyone.

[kikindaface]

It's so great ! First composition download, then color and light theory, it's like a dream ! I would really join this class, but i thing the main disadvantage is the time zone ( 7 hours of difference between SF and France ) ! Anyway thank you

[jonbronx]

Is this course going to have a student limit or is it going to be open to everyone (who are willing to pay of course)? Thanks:yayca:

[Delmar]

Oh man!

Jason, that's really like a dream come true! This is exactly what i need, and i guess many self taught artists and like you said even art school students are thinking the same way about this. There are so many little and big questions regarding this topic, and it would be great to finally have a bunch of them answered.

I definitely want in this course !!

:asskisser:

[Rabbi Satan]

Awesome, I'll be keeping an eye on this.

But unfortunately, I live on the other side of the planet, so that could lead to some complications unless I stay up to watch it.

[Jason Manley]

Im sure there will be plenty of space. Looking forward to it.

[Liffey]

Holy crap, this is something I need to see. The one color studies class my college offered was pretty unsatisfactory, so I've had to start reading books on my own. I still don't feel like I'm taking it all in though, so something like this could be great for me. The only hurdles are going to be time and to a much greater degree, cost. I'm already a full time student with a part time job, but damnit, if I have to lose a couple extra hours of sleep for this I will. Now I just need to save every penny I've got. ...Well, maybe I'll start saving after the composition download comes out. ;)

btw, will the students be doing voice chat or text? I don't have my own computer at school, and I always hate to be talking out loud in the computer lab (which isn't to say a bunch of other douches already do it).

[QuaTronics]

i cant join in on this :( ! im on vacation for the next 2 weeks :p
maby you can record these live sessions? :)
color and light is something i suck at.
looking forward to these!

[Liffey]

QuaTronics brings up a good idea, it would be great if these sessions were recorded. That way you could offer them as paid downloads for those who weren't able to attend, and as a reference for those who did.

[Abductee]

oh thats cool.

[Kamikazebob]

the 'want to' part is rhetorical, right?

[Noah Bradley]

Awesome.

[Hyskoa]

One of the problems I see occurring will be the entire channel swamped in questions. Making you lose a lot of time trying to dig through everything and not answering matters twice.
So it might be beneficial if you would designate someone to collect all the questions and have that person filter them into the most essential.

Like they do in developer chats on irc.

[Brushcommander]

Looking forward to it!

[Eerin]

This sounds just too good to be true :)

[Hive_minD]

Hyskoa brings on a good point. And I must agree with others, that a recorded version would be great too! Looking forward to more info!

Chris

[Eva K]

gah! That sounds great! I'm used to working in the San Francisco time zone (+7 hours here in Iceland) so time is not a problem. Gonna wait and see depending on what this is going to cost though =)

[XanaChama]

Yeah, cost can be prohibitive in this case but totally worth if it possible

[The Crazy Dude SRD]

I'll definately have to check this out. Color theory is definately one of my major weak points I wanna shave down...

[greta]

This sounds fantastic and a very exciting direction for CA to go in but yeah, the time will probably be a problem for me. +1 for recording them and being able to access them via streaming or download the next day or something.

[donm]

recorded would be very nice, due to time differences and schedule conflicts! but I would skip a few classes to learn this information... :)

[arghmisfit]

This sounds awesome Jason!

Maybe a poll could determine what time of the day works best for the majority.

I like the idea of having the recorded version as well, however that might be partially defeating the purpose of live streaming. anti-piracy:yayca:

[hala]

Thank you thank you thank you thank you--I cannot wait. Even if I gotta pull an all nighter, or whatever I need to do, I'll be there. :)
My color course in college was ridiculously useless and ineffective. I look forward to this.
Keep rocking hard CA :) :yayca:

[Earendil]

In answer to your question: YES! :)

[Jason Manley]

These classes will be live. We are not recording them for release at this time. It is probable that I will do two times so others can find a good time to make it. If interest is high enough I will repeat the class. I am not anticipating any issues with questions not being answered. The class is very very thorough and the info is very clearly presented. By the end of it, even the beginners are going to understand what I am talking about. :)


Looking forward to sharing with everyone.



Jason

[Dile_]

woo :) I hope I have money ^.^

[Pezz]

Oh god, please let my next paycheck be mighty and fat

[the conjurer]

So looking forward to this... Unfortunately, I am one of those students that didn't receive a thorough course on light/color theory- everyone sign up for this!

[Ryuartyi]

This sounds amazing Jason! This is something I really need at the moment, something to get me ready for school in the fall.

I hope I can land a job before this occurs so I can pay for it as I'm sure it will be well worth it. Looking forward to seeing more information.

If all else fails I can watch and take notes with my brother. :)

[Liffey]

So looking forward to this...I feel I have learned more here observing these artists then in art school! Unfortunately, I am one of those students that didn't receive a thorough course on light/color theory- everyone sign up for this!
I'm in the exact same spot. :) It's going to be tough to scrape up enough money for this and the upcoming downloads, but if you want something bad enough you'll find a way to get it.

[Flakari Leader]

Want to? Need to.

Can I just give you money now? :yayca:

[NicHolS]

Welcome. In a very short time we will be delving deeply into the importance of lighting theory for illustration, concept design, Fine Art, 3d, film, games, comics, and visual media of all kinds. There will be more information announced shortly but I thought to add some info so those who are interested in their artistic growth may have something good to look forward to.

Communicating the visual feeling of light, and depth of mood is of the utmost importance when making art, no matter the field or industry. Today's art world requires a spectrum of understandings related to both visual and cultural color theories. Accurate, abstract, and emotional qualities of color will be focused on. We will cover basic, intermediate and advanced color theory as directly related to making visual art. Students will learn how to create focal areas, pictorial space through color movements and atmospheric perspective as well as narrative color control for precise and purposeful visual storytelling. Basic lighting theory will be heavily focused on including topics of temperature, value, saturation, compliment lighting, and palette choice for mood variation.

Date: TBA - soon!
Time: TBA - soon!
Cost: TBA -

This course will be taught live and online. Students will be allowed to chat and ask questions of each other during the lecture and presentation in order to better understand the discussion. I will answer questions as time allows, as we have much to cover. It is a thorough course and you will want to take notes.

This course will be in HD and requires a standard broadband connection. 56k beware! If you are located in Timbuktoo and have a very poor internet connection I will be running a test in the next day or two. Watch the forums here for times and more information, or add me on Facebook and I will update there too. www.facebook.com/creativedreams is my profile there.

Information on how this works will be announced shortly.

I taught a portion of this course in New Zealand at the Marama Workshop. I asked the audience, which was more than half filled with professionals from companies like Weta, Krome Studios and many more, an important question. "How many of you got this in art school?" The answer was unfortunate...none. Well we are going to do something about that here on CA. This topic is going to be shared, explored, and utilized to help artists make better work immediately. Your work will improve because your color understanding will be honed and your eyes opened to how light, mood, and color communication works. I have taught this class many times now and have expanded it to include more info on a variety of fields and how this most important foundation can be utilized every time you sit with the brush or pen.


Hope to see you there! Watch this thread for more info over the coming days.



Jason

Hey Jason,

Im really glad youve chosen to repeat that lecture from Marama. It was really helpful! Ive actually spent the last 8 or 9 odd months compiling my own color theory tute (30 odd pages or so soon to be added to my sketchbook no doubt) so this will be another huge asset to most artists out there! color theory and even general knowledge of color systems and how to manipulate them to an artists needs is something very lacking in many artists i hear. thanks for sharing! hope to catch this myself

Adam

[Liffey]

I've been doing some color studies on my own lately, and I think that if everyone planning on being a part of this did the same it'd make this even more helpful. That way we can all be better prepared to comprehend the presentation and to contribute with good questions. :)

[sony]

I will definitely -------->Join :)

[Theking78]

These classes will be live. We are not recording them for release at this time. It is probable that I will do two times so others can find a good time to make it. If interest is high enough I will repeat the class. I am not anticipating any issues with questions not being answered. The class is very very thorough and the info is very clearly presented. By the end of it, even the beginners are going to understand what I am talking about. :)
Looking forward to sharing with everyone.
Jason

I'm interested but I'm worried about 2 things:
1] I hope there will be a good time schedule also for italian people
2] If you teach us you should also have the time to answer our questions about the topic covered, otherwise this class won't be different than a simple download apart the fact that would be live ando so once is gone is gone and we can't rewatch it as we like, so what's the plus for us?

Honestly my hope was that the streaming content would have been available for the people who paid for it not only once and waht I expect from a course is that I can have my questions answered.
Maybe I didn't understand your post but at this time I'm a little disappointed... :(

[Jason Manley]

The course is so thorough I will be surprised if there are many questions. There rarely are during or after my color theory lectures, though this one has been expanded to cover a number of other areas within games, film, etc... If you listen and pay attention you will see for yourself. I will answer questions of course. I said that already. :) That is the point of doing it live. Direct interaction. That is the beauty of technology and a primary reason for doing it live. Those taking the course will retain access to a video copy of it for their own usage, in streaming form, here on the site for thirty days. If you need to review, we are hosting it for you. It will only be available for those attending the course with me directly. We will have other services available next year perhaps...but right now this is where things are headed. The future is upon us.


Now on to the WHY?

If I am taking the time to do this to support the community. Aside from teaching this course based on my primary core studies in art over the past thirteen years, and sharing that knowledge with everyone, there is a goal I have for you all. The reason I am doing this right now is that we are still thousands of dollars short of completing the new blog/profile/main page/and social networking features, including a better jobs site. If I want to see that done for all of you, I have to raise the cash to make it happen. This is being done to support the growth of CA. The new main page is going to be killer. The amount of content for the new page that is stored up is really deep and it will be the primary news source for art online when I am done. Thanks to some talented folks, we have an excellent prototype and layout in which to work with. Gotta get going though. CA needs the funds to do it so here I am.

What we have done so far (aside from this course and pertaining to the site upgrades):

Final skins are in progress. Prototype is done.
Loads of podcasts are in progress and done.
Main page admins are found and ready to rock (Dwight and Swain from SideBar Nation are helping the community)
Tech firm is found and ready to go as soon as budget is in. Bid is complete.
Forums and systems are all updated and bug tested. Ready to add the new tech.
Latest forums features are in place. Ready to now add the new tech.
The online school site is in early development. This budget is also having to be raised. Thanks to our featured artist Sammy, we have another instructor to help me get this going after this course is done.
The blog system is designed, as is the auto-updater.


It's five am for me right now. I'm still up because I have good things I am doing. I imagine those interested who are in other time zones can find a way to make it work regardless of what time it is. HOWEVER, if there is enough interest I will do another time. I don't mind staying up for you guys. I am doing that now already. Been working all night.

Thanks for the interest everyone.


Jason


I will add this post to the first so that the info is in place but I wanted to respond with an update.

[Pixeltuner]

This is gonna be amazing. I'll be glad to do an online class in the middle of the night because I know it will be worth it. :)
Thanks for doing all this amazing work for this wonderful community. You can't please everyone I guess, but I think a little effort on our part (being the users) ain't to hard to ask for. Keep it coming :yayca:

[Jason Manley]

I'm interested but I'm worried about 2 things:
1] I hope there will be a good time schedule also for italian people
2] If you teach us you should also have the time to answer our questions about the topic covered, otherwise this class won't be different than a simple download apart the fact that would be live ando so once is gone is gone and we can't rewatch it as we like, so what's the plus for us?

Honestly my hope was that the streaming content would have been available for the people who paid for it not only once and waht I expect from a course is that I can have my questions answered.
Maybe I didn't understand your post but at this time I'm a little disappointed... :(


1. As said king. If there is interest and support I will do so. Otherwise if you want to get this, which is the ONLY place you will get it all at once, then I am sure you can find a way. If not this time then next. You are most welcome.
2. If you read the first post, which clearly you did not, you would find the answer to your question.
3. Disappointed? Ok. But only because you must learn to work on your patience. :) I did tell you more info was coming. Patience patience.
4. If you take a course in college you do not get to keep the lectures. You are expected to pay attention and take notes and RETAIN to learn. This is no different. However, as said above, we are going to host the video for the attendees so it can be revisited.

[Liffey]

Those taking the course will retain access to a video copy of it for their own usage, in streaming form, here on the site for thirty days. If you need to review, we are hosting it for you. It will only be available for those attending the course with me directly. We will have other services available next year perhaps...but right now this is where things are headed. The future is upon us.


This is exactly what I was hoping for. I'll still be taking notes, but being able to go over it a couple times to make sure I've gleened everything possible will be really great. Thanks for all this work you're putting in Jason!

[danlambert]

I really hope I can get some money together for this one, I've been trying to get my head around colour for a while and I keep confusing myself. Thank you for doing this Jason. Looking forward to the class and the new site!

[Jaku]

I´ll gladly hear you again talking about colour!

[Carbon Productions]

Sweet! Colour theory is definatly one of my weaker points. Count me in :)

Thanks.

[Theking78]

1. As said king. If there is interest and support I will do so. Otherwise if you want to get this, which is the ONLY place you will get it all at once, then I am sure you can find a way. If not this time then next. You are most welcome.
2. If you read the first post, which clearly you did not, you would find the answer to your question.
3. Disappointed? Ok. But only because you must learn to work on your patience. :) I did tell you more info was coming. Patience patience.
4. If you take a course in college you do not get to keep the lectures. You are expected to pay attention and take notes and RETAIN to learn. This is no different. However, as said above, we are going to host the video for the attendees so it can be revisited.

1] I agree, at least I can take a day off of work to follow your lesson because I think you have much to teach me.
2] I read the post.... but maybe the fault is my understanding of english language because when I read "I will answer questions as time allows, as we have much to cover" I understood that if you'll have the time you'll answered the questions but it's not sure because the things to cover are very much... sorry! :)
3] Sorry again! :)
4] In my opinion you don't have to compare what you're offering only with college but also with what other online communities are offering at the moment. I took an online class with Don Seegmiller and I learned a lot because of the assignements and the exercises that he looked at and told me what to correct and what to focus on. I think you're a very talented group of artists and it would be great to have some you as teacher for a little long time than a simple lesson with no possibility to let you see what we've understand and being addressed by you about the covered topic of the course. I can follow your lesson and think I've understand everything but when I try to put it on the paper I can create a shit and it would be great for me to hear you telling me: "what are you doing? You're not following what I said because..." I understand this would be a little more complex for you to do but it can be done with some days of delay between questions and answers and of course since it's a different kind of approach you can charge the service more and earn more money for the new website.

Last but not least let me say again I appreciate very much what you're doing here and I'm trying to support CA as much as I can and when I critic something my aim is to let CA become a better place for eveyone and not for the pleasure to stress people who's gving his aim to this site and Art in general.

Thank you!

[Jason Manley]

We are working on a full online art school program which will have a range of learning options. However, this is still in the planning stages and is probably another twelve months out. In the meantime we are upping the quality of education with direct student to instructor interactive courses like Color Theory.


J

[donm]

this is awesome news!

[Pezz]

Hey Jason, I am getting a break in my tuition which was a huge surprise to me! This means I will have some extra money to spend. This semester, I am taking Sculpting I, Painting I and Life Drawing (over again), and I figure this class will be a GREAT complement to painting as well as something fantastic for me personally.

Do you think it will cost as much as a university course or a community college course? he he

[Jazz]

I wanna join in!!! :D I don't know ANYTHING about colour theory! o_o Well, okay maybe a couple things, but it's probably not enough. :P

I just have to see about the time and money. Ohhh, bah to work.

My problem with classes is that I'm slow at writing (eyesight...it's still a good reason!), so I hope you don't go through the lessons too fast... But I dunno, my "fast" tends to be other people's "normal" speed. Pfft. :( At least I wouldn't have to go through a number of buildings to find your class, Jason! :D

[LostFayth]

Do you think it will cost as much as a university course or a community college course? he he

Let's hope we will be able to pay that amount of money. :)

I hope I'm able to participate. It sounds like a golden opportunity to learn more about color theory. I did get some color theory at art school, but that was nothing more than the basics. And it was thought bad.... :( I hope I can afford it! :D

[Urys]

I'm in! This is a fantastic opportunity you are providing us with!

[snootchy]

you are my hero manley! can't wait

[Pezz]

Let's hope we will be able to pay that amount of money. :)

I hope I'm able to participate. It sounds like a golden opportunity to learn more about color theory. I did get some color theory at art school, but that was nothing more than the basics.

Indeed. I can afford what I pay for a community college class, but I'd have to like... finance it :|. For comparison, my Life Drawing class is $486.00 and at least I know the proceeds are going back to something great, like this community.

[Spirit]

If I can afford it, and I can actually view it because of the time difference, I will definately join! Money will be the biggest issue for me, but I'm sure it will be more than worth it. I'm really excited just thinking about it :D !
I know that everyone working on it will offer it for a fair price, and it's even better to know the money will be going back to the community, so it's win/win all around! A big thank you to everyone who is organising and helping with this!

[Jason Manley]

It is not going to be 486.00 that is for certain. :)

I sent off some questions to coro and melissa and andrew. answers soon.

For those of you interested in the course I have an assignment for you if you want to test your before and after knowledge. This is just for fun.

Do three environmental or figure studies.

1. morning light...sunrise
2. cloudy day light
3. mid day light
4. night time


Subject is up to you. Consider them color studies. After the course do the same assignment and see the results for yourself. Having this done before hand will give you a great example of how your understandings improve in the coming months after the course. In all honesty, I expect an immediate improvement in a lot of ways. We shall see for ourselves. :)


Here are some color studies from the 19th century. Even the big boys did em. Best thing to do for your eyes and understanding of color. Hell, Monet made a whole career of them, as did Caillebotte and other awesome painters.

[Lamp]

I am very interested and I hope that I can be part of this. :)

While I patiently await more information, I wonder if there could be any discussion of price range? Unfortunately I'm a bit strapped financially at the moment, though I think that I could scrape up enough. I've never participated in anything even remotely like this so I have no idea what to expect. I wonder if a ballpark price range, even a very vague one, could be provided?

If not then I will simply keep checking back.

[Liffey]

Jason just said that he was talking about it with people he works with and that answers would come soon. Sit tight. :)

Just started on those 4 color studies. I never realized how clueless I really am when I focus on color, I usually tend to just throw down whatever I think looks good.

[hala]

Thanks for the tip Jason, will do those studies and I can't wait to see the changes after being enlightened by your lesson!! :)

[Noah Bradley]

Really hope I can afford this. Did my studies anyways. :)

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[Liffey]

Here's mine (20-30mins each). Kind of embarrased by how elementary they look, but I guess that means I should be able to grow a lot from this class.

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs47/i/2009/195/9/5/Color_Studies_1_by_theoryC.jpg

[Liffey]

edit: internet fucked up, double post >_<

[dCepT]

The price could be the only hiccup for me.. Don't care what time of day or night it is :)

Jason: This is an awesome thing you guys are doing here!

The company I work in is considering paying for this, seeing as how this will educate me and make me a better asset for the team.. for those of you working in the biz, maybe ask your boss? ;)

dC

[Elam]

Will there be any structured exercises for this class, with critiquing etc, or is it just the lecture?

[Liquidspider]

Hahah, and here I thought I was looking at an older post. So this is something you are doing just now? Awesome. I sure hope that maybe someday others that won't be participating in the online class can get a hold of it, even if they still have to pay.

[Studio Colrouphobia]

Wish I worked for someone so they could help pay this, or that I just had the cash myself.
It is a great thing to have around and I truly wish that you get the cash collected to fix the website but considering my financial situation I wont be able to afford this. Not now.
For anyone with is "pondering" this, has the cash and is just wondering whether to spend it or not- Don't hesitate.

[Earendil]

Well here are my color studies. It will be interesting to see what these look like at the end of class.

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[BRINKMAN!]

I said this in the other thread in the lounge, but I am so freaking stoked for this! Manley is the A#1 dude.

[Dark_Eyes]

I'm definitely interested in this, and will do the suggested studies. I've already purchased the zhanglu file, it is excellent! Thanks for all the hard work Jason! Ever since Revelations my life has changed in so many beneficial ways, I hope to give back a little. Cheers!

[Nightblue]

Ohh, shiny... Hopefully there'll be a late night session. This sounds like a great solution for my lack of mentors after moving away from home base.

[Devere]

I'd Love to take this course but not sure what connection speed is gonna be like when I reach down to Jamaica in a few weeks to help out with family biz. if it's half as fast as canadian one I have now then I'll be there? can't wait, what are we looking on in terms of cost?

[Rabbi Satan]

I've never done much natural environments, much less colour studies. The first 4 are horrendous, but the 2nd batch of 4 I'm more pleased with. I could literally see myself improve with practice (Duuh!!). I'm waiting anxiously for the class. We'll see how I improve :)

Thanks again Jason for all you've done for the artistic community.

Without further adieu, here's 8 colour studies.

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[sony]

This is very exciting ... these are just some moods from mind.

[hala]

I got lazy with the anatomy and forms >< will probably redo this before the course.
can't wait to compare the end results :) I didn't realize how little I know about darker settings like moonlight or cloudy days.

[Carbon Productions]

Heres my four :S

They look really artificial. :(

Can't wait for this to start. :)

[nicehighs]

money is always a factor if its between 100 and 150 and includes pdf notes im in.

[artmessiah]

Awesome :yayca:

[Rabbi Satan]

Here's another colour study - a bit better, I'm improving every time I do them.

I'll be doing some more this evening.

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[Jason Manley]

We have our work cut out for us. Every single one of you posting images needs to start painting and drawing from life. Every day if possible. There is not enough observation happening in your day to day experiences regarding colors. Start paying attention to what colors shadows are compared to the light. Start paying attention to what colors you see as many times of day as you can, outside and in. Look at the light. Observe. Remember. For most of you the weakness is not just that you don't understand color but that you are not looking at light everyday and remembering what you saw. Look. Look again. Remember.


I will have more info on the course shortly.


Jason

[jubjubjedi]

Question: When and where does one use muted colors as opposed to temperature in show form? And vice versa. I understand that things might be fairly relative, especially when observing from life, but I guess I am thinking in general terms. Hope that makes sense... :lifedrawing:

[Earendil]

Here's one from life. I had trouble seeing some of the really dark hues. I'll do the same view at a different time.

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Sun going down. 6:30

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[Jason Manley]

Question: When and where does one use muted colors as opposed to temperature in show form? And vice versa. I understand that things might be fairly relative, especially when observing from life, but I guess I am thinking in general terms. Hope that makes sense... :lifedrawing:

It depends on the lighting condition.

Is your light muted and desaturated or your shadows? Are your light and shadows both more muted but your middles (the transitions between light and shadow or the reflect light) are more saturated? You get to make the call. :)

There is a range of saturation in both light and shadow as well as in the transitions. First you must choose which of the three contains your saturation as a whole, when considering how chroma level effects form.

You can pull with muted colors or you can push with them. It depends on your lighting choices.

For example...an environment with a rich golden ray of light casting across the middleground of a landscape...but unseen clouds in the sky cast shadows across the foreground. In that case the shadows in the front planes are more muted (as a general starting point) since the light is very saturated. Just like lights and darks vary in value...light vs shadow varies in saturation in most cases.

If in that same landscape, the saturated light was hitting the foreground and the cloudy misty drab areas were in the middle ground, then the saturation would be pulling toward the viewer, instead of away.

Color is relative. You must just be consistent. You can push or pull. You must choose your lighting situation first in order to decide...ala your light might be a warm saturated orange....thus your shadows would lean toward the opposites...a cool desaturated blue. Opposites opposites.

Adding in a secondary fill light color for variation and interest and it does not look so formulaic. Radiosity (the bounce light from objects in or out of the scene...of those objects which reflect color into the scene around them) can be used in the same way...and will change the formula to something a little more believable.

Another thing to keep in mind is that as the form turns in space it will often contain color information that is toward the background color as it moves that direction...as it turns farther and farther away to the background it picks up more of the background color. Of course one must purposely decide which planes are further away, and where the planes are in space on the form, in order to use such devices.

This same point, about background color, is appropriate for seeing color move in space...ala trees getting more and more blue as the move toward the horizon on a blue sky day. You can push and pull in any direction you choose.

I will go over all of this in the class in depth...and this is just a teensy part from the big picture.

I look forward to more questions in class and will be showing great examples of how this is all used. Many will understand just by my showing it.

See you next weekend. :)



Jason

[Sidharth Chaturvedi]

Here's a color study from observation at close to noon. Not sure if I'm doing this correctly, but what I picked up was bright, warm, desaturated color in the light areas and cooler, saturated shadows. Shadows on any white objects looked like a saturated blue. I'll try doing a person in the same light next time.

[Jason Manley]

If you are working from life let your eyes relax...take in the whole scene at once...once your eyes relax and you see everything at the same time (not focusing on any details but the entire field of vision), compare the the various large areas of color against one another. Compare shadow colors vs. light colors. Compare big light shapes against one another. I think you will all find that your are currently ignoring most of what you see. Gotta look at it all at the same time and then compare. Color is relative. You cant just focus on one part and put it down. Once you block it all in compare what you see to what you have painted. You will find every color in the spectrum in front of you in subtle ways. Red bricks might be violet in one area and more orange in another. Gray sidewalks might be greener in one area of space and more yellow in others...LOOK. LOOK. and LOOK. that is the key. :)

[Liffey]

Next weekend, eh... sounds good to me, but are you going to be able to announce a price soon? Me and I'm sure a lot of other people are going to need to plan their budget accordingly.

[baBio]

im in!!!!...ye how much is it?

[Asatira]

So interested. I need to sit down and do the studies before the class starts.

[jcdied4me]

How do I join? I've read the whole thread but it would seem there is no where to sign up. Is this class still in the planning stages? Great stuff here

[Farvus]

I actually planned to do this type of stuff for a long time but somehow I couldn't start. Quick colors studies from the office window I saw lately on the Nathan Fowkes blog and this thread were impulse for me though.

I don't have very exciting view from my room and I tried hard to make some decent composition out of it. These are very quick beacause light changed like in kaleidoscope that day. I started painting with one palette and ended tweaking it up a little.

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Observations.

12:30 PM - No clouds. Strong wind. Local colors seem slightly muted in the shadow. The movement of leaves enhances the effect of mixing colors in the eye.
15:10 PM - Thunderstorm. No wind. Very little value contrast. Strong contrast between individual local colors. It seems like juicy colors more juicy while gray colors more gray.
18:10 PM - Partially clowdy. Subtle white haze from the sun above the building (that I couldn't capture).
21:00 PM - Rain. Beginning of dusk. Uniformly clouded sky was almost pale green which made everything look like through green filter. It also made the reds pop a lot. Later sky turned into pale orange.
22:00 PM - Rain. For a split second before it got completely dark I noticed that roof could be dark purple and everything behind the lamp more red. I left those colors but with darker values than I initially painted.
4:30 AM - Clowdy. Beginning of the dawn. Everything seems much less saturated than in the night.

[Jason Manley]

farvus...try working half value step darker for your daytime studies...it will push the saturation and feeling of light to seem more like how that light actually feels. Great exersize though. Total monet in it's intent. Like his cathedral studies...all about the light. For night time, work half value step lighter so you can get your color in there too. Staying off white and off black helps give the feeling of actual light...after all it is an illusion...and that little trick can help the cause!

Look for a spectrum of colors in any given shape of value that you see. They are there. If you see pink look at that shape..i bet there are some purple pinks in parts or greener pinks in parts or...let your eyes relax. Compare. You will see it.

[Jho]

This sounds pretty awesome. Is there limit to how many people can attend?
I suck at queuing.
Time is not really a problem, even though I live in the far north away from everybody. Staying up late comes natural to me :)

Pity I first opened this tread just now, if I'd known better I had woken up to see this in morning light... Well I have to do it tomorrow morning or something. Good exercise though, thanks! Would never have thought to do this on my own.

For some reason it looks a lot more saturated than in Photoshop, I guess I have messed with the color settings or something.

http://karetar.net/piirustukset/valo_1337.jpg


Night (started 22:22). The lighting chanced a bit during painting...
I was supposed to paint a cloudy day too but my nephew came over and I couldn't :(

http://karetar.net/piirustukset/valo_2222.jpg

[kyurai]

hey all :)

i would be very, very interested in this course :) but i think i need a little bit more information :
- i understand that the classes will begin next weekend ? is that correct ?
- how many will weeks will the course take ?
- is the class opened to beginners ? is it for digital medium only or for all types of mediums ?
- and where do i sign in , or is there a screening process for choosing the students ?

[Ghostbrush]

count me in

[Jason Manley]

The first post has been updated. Date and time is within, as are some samplings of the images we will be covering in this very important class.

Hope to see you soon! Keep painting folks. After the class you are ALL going to have breakthroughs. I imagine the world will be seen a little differently, more clearly, once you see how I have broken it all down into basic terminology, examples, and details. Great stuff!!! You will be able to apply these concepts immediately.



J

[hala]

I like the fact that we will have access to the video copy--thanks for that. :)
Even more excited now that we see a glimpse of what's coming!

[LostFayth]

Great!.....just when I have a appointment during the time which the class will take place. But that doesn't stop me from entering. I'll know if reschedule the appointment next Tuesday.

How do you apply (and where to pay) for the class and is there a way to reserve a 'seat'?

[Jason Manley]

I put the registration info here: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=163673

Thanks again for the support you all. Being able to use the proceeds CA earns doing this, for all the new tech is huge, and will at the very least get us part of the way there. Gonna have a great time too. I really hope you can come.


Jason

[Nightblue]

Time is perfect but the day is not :( Hope to have more of a heads-up for the next class so I will know better than making (and paying for) other arrangements...

Looking forward to next class. I'd be interested in buying the video but I think I've read somewhere that this is live only... next time!

[LostFayth]

Thanks Jason! Okay, reservation made.

1 pm central time that should be 7 pm where I live right? (GMT+1) Do you guys also have DST? Because then it would be 8 pm....am I right? I suck at calculating time according to different time zones.

[Liffey]

Are we going to use audio or text chat to ask questions? I would prefer text chat.

[Noah Bradley]

Awwww... :(

I'm gonna be away during the class. You will be doing it again sometime, right?

[Jazz]

Dang it!! >_< I can't even join the class cuz I have a special event to go to! I wanna join so bad. ;_; I can't pay for it yet, either... I could register and at least have the streaming video to look at later, even though I can't make it to class, can't I? :D

[Ryuartyi]

I really wish I could come, but I don't have the money. All I can hope for is that I can learn this on my own.

I hope it goes well for everyone though.

[aussiedeza]

I have no where to go with color but forward so I am in =), but my Australian broadband is crap so do I just keep watching this thread for the test? because if it works good in the test then I have no problems joining in Thanks for organizing this by the way MINT!!.

[hala]

Dang it!! >_< I can't even join the class cuz I have a special event to go to! I wanna join so bad. ;_; I can't pay for it yet, either... I could register and at least have the streaming video to look at later, even though I can't make it to class, can't I? :D

I was thinking that too--the only thing is that you can't ask questions while the class is going--but I assume if we did this would we be able to post questions somewhere?

Just curious. Really want to find a way to attend/view this class :)

[Delmar]

That's awsome.! I'm definitely in.

How does the communication thingy work.....a downloadable program or is it embedded in your livestream site ?

Thanks so much!

[Mr Man]

Damn, I wish I didn't have such a rubbish connection. It's half of the regular broadband speed...

If I have any luck changing an internet provider by then, then ill be sure to join in :)

[Wasker]

Ye gods, I'm tempted by this! $95 is a bit too much for my wallet but I guess I can donate an organ or two.

Are the seats limited, Jason?

I'd also like to try out your streaming service before I buy anything. Perhaps a freebie coro strip tease would be in order to check out the connection?

[Mr Man]

Perhaps a freebie coro strip tease would be in order to check out the connection?

Now we're talkin!!!:lifedrawing:

[Brushcommander]

I'd also like to try out your streaming service before I buy anything.
Seconded.
I'm not too sure if my connection can handle an HD stream.

[Flakari Leader]

Definitely going to be there, I was hoping for something under $100. Now to ask off early from work. :D

[zephyri]

You've sold me purely with the pictures posted on that first post! Anything that features MB guys and uses such an array of master talent as teaching aids is a snap at $95. I would also however love a test before I committed to it, just to be sure my temperamental net connection can handle the streaming. But beyond that I'd be in.

[donm]

im glad zorn's work will be in the presentation. :)

count me in!

[Liffey]

I'll third that test request. Would hate to shell out all my cash just to have a problem with the program or my connection.

[Rabbi Satan]

I'll definitely be attending this class. Only problem is is that the medication that I take in the early evening leaves me VERY sleepy. But I'll try to stay up for this. I did a time conversion, and it'll be from 2am to 6am HK time. But thankfully there will be a video replay.

Once again, thanks to Jason for making art education cheap and available to aspiring artists (Including me) out there.

[B.Rockwell]

I really hope there will be another one. I have to work during this time and I'm unable to switch my hours.

[Idiot Apathy]

Shucks, I'll be at ComicCon.

[Jason Manley]

I will have info so you can test soon. I mentioned already we will run a test shortly. Patience patience plz...lost a server tonight to bad ram and so Im behind schedule a few hours which means tests will be tuesday/wed now. Will be mid week at the latest for the test...but I have tested it already and it ran great for me in both europe and the usa. no problems.

keep your ears peeled! more info shortly!


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[AhChu]

I was at the Marama Workshop and the colour lecture was awesome ( actually the entire workshop was awesome), this sounds excellent and will be eagerly awaiting test so I can see if our crap nz broadband *cough* can handle the jandel :)

[Hive_minD]

oh what a real bummer that I wont be anywhere near internett this coming weekend:(

[Eva K]

Ack this is what sucks being a contractor, clients are really taking their sweet time paying and I'm already flat broke as it is x__x I'm gonna try as I can getting the money, as I see this as a great investment ;)

Also going to wait for the connection tests, my internet has a mind of its own and likes to show some attitude when I need stable connection the most :|

[Camilla]

Great initiative! I have mostly paid attention to light and form, so a little knowledge of colours would be very welcome.

I particularly have a problem with sunlit grass and trees. I usually add more yellow and white to the highlights (and make shadows darker, of course), but it doesn't really give me enough, I think. Furthermore I find it difficult to make strongly lit grass and trees without making the colours too garish.


I have made some very fast studies - and now to all the excuses: they need some touch-ups once they are dry (otherwise I will mess up my colours even more), the lighting in the photo is a disaster and there is no such thing as correct perspective - but it is only a colour study, right?

http://www.artcamilla.dk/projects/conceptart/morning.jpg http://www.artcamilla.dk/projects/conceptart/midday.jpg

http://www.artcamilla.dk/projects/conceptart/afternoon.jpg http://www.artcamilla.dk/projects/conceptart/night.JPG

[sknerem]

I'm in! Thanks JMan. for doing a great job, Can't wait til Saturday!

[Liam Harvey]

so going to watch this. i just need to get this time zone stuff sorted.

[Syrupjuice]

Gosh, I'd love to join (and I know the knowledge would really help me in my art), but since I'm currently lacking the funds to join, I'll have to sit it out : /

I hope you decide to do it again, and I hope it helps raise a lot of funds for the site updates!

[Liam Harvey]

my Time Zone is +8:00GMT and the west coast for the U.S. is -8:00, so by the time it is 1:00pm Saturday there and the class starts, it will be....6:00am Sunday morning?

i hope i have this right.
if i am wrong could someone please correct me?

looking forward to this very much.

[LostFayth]

According to my calculation it's a 13 hour time shift. So if I'm right it should be 2am Sunday. Jason said in his first post that it would be on 1pm CST and that's GMT-5. I hope I didn't made you confused...

[XuperNova]

Just let me know where to sign up!

[CecelyV]

I just found out about this class this morning. This is wonderful! I've started working on light, shade and shadow the past couple of weeks, so this would be very helpful.

I've e-mailed to request registration, but so far I haven't been able to find out where to go to pay for the class. Is there a link set up for payment yet? I'd really like to get everything taken care of today so I can just plug in and learn on Saturday!

[Cacodaemonia]

Ooooh man, I think I'm going to have to sign up for this. Jason, I remember your color tips at Revelations being very useful, so I'm excited to take a full class with you! I'll work on some studies this week, will try to do them from memory, I think. Yikes!

[Camilla]

As I have understood it, the US has daylight saving too. So technically it would not be Central Standard Time but Central Daylight Time (GMT -5). Central European Summer time is GMT +2 which would make a 7 hour difference. Correct me if I am wrong.

Maybe we should make a test to be sure. At 1 pm someone in the CST (well CDT actually) time zone makes a post saying: "It's now 1 pm". The rest of us will sit at the computer at the time we believe corresponds to this. If we do not see the post, we need to recalculate.

Is that an idea?

[Asatira]

I lucked up and got my paycheck. I'll have to be careful because I have a number of other things to handle, but I should be able to afford it.

[donm]

I lucked up and got my paycheck. I'll have to be careful because I have a number of other things to handle, but I should be able to afford it.

yeah I have to be careful too, this is the last of my grant moneys for the summer semester. XD

[Jason Manley]

As I have understood it, the US has daylight saving too. So technically it would not be Central Standard Time but Central Daylight Time (GMT -5). Central European Summer time is GMT +2 which would make a 7 hour difference. Correct me if I am wrong.

Maybe we should make a test to be sure. At 1 pm someone in the CST (well CDT actually) time zone makes a post saying: "It's now 1 pm". The rest of us will sit at the computer at the time we believe corresponds to this. If we do not see the post, we need to recalculate.

Is that an idea?



oh jeez...i didnt think of this. it is CENTRAL DAYLIGHT TIME. Plz update your schedules!!!

here is the time calculator... http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=24

[courtyard]

From the same site, if it's of use: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=7&day=25&year=2009&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=24&sort=2

(list showing what time it will be in different cities around the world if it's 1pm in Austin, Texas on July 25 ;) )

[Jeff V]

I don't post very much, but I just want to say that the community on this site is overwhelming. Never have I seen so many people wanting to help, and inspire people to succeed. I'll be watching the stream!

[donm]

I was just curious as to how long we should wait until we get a call from scooter@conceptart.org to pay the tuition up for this class?

[Moai]

I have family visiting, so I won't be able to make this class. I'd be very interested if you do it again, though.

[QT Melon]

Hello Jason,

One of the pictures you have of Sargent is one of my favorite paintings. I'm working on a Master Copy of that very painting.

http://qtmelon.studiokemono.net/wtf/qtsargentcompare.jpg

I have a hand injury that had been preventing me from finishing it, but I'd love to hear your lectures on Color theory, I'm just another artist who is learning. I love learning though, it's what makes me keep trying.

[Aphotic Phoenix]

The price is really fair IMO, but I wasn't expecting the date to be announced so close to the class date. When you are one of two people in a company that can do your job...one week simply isn't enough notice to get a day off. Hopefully, if and when then next class comes around I will have my trainee ready and able to fill in for me. *crosses fingers*

[Klandestineone]

Will this class be available as a download later on? I know I won't have the extra funds for a while to pay the fee.

[CecelyV]

Any word on where we go and when to pay for Saturday's class? I still haven't heard anything back since e-mailing scooter@massiveblack.com. The class can't be full if it's streaming, can it?

[Jonas Heirwegh]

Hey Jason, will there be another lecture about color after this one soon or is this a one time only lecture?

thx!

[donm]

Hey Jason, will there be another lecture about color after this one soon or is this a one time only lecture?

thx!

I'm seeing this asked a lot. If I'm not mistaken they are going to do another class on this and others with a new online school that they are trying to start up in about 6 months or so.

[[o]]

what level of skill should we be to be able to participate?

would it be too advnaced for beginers?

[Flipnastywebby]

[o] :: in the earlier posts Jason said that its for all levels and everyone in every skill level will take something away from this lecture.

also, i am pretty sure that you will have access to the lecture so you can watch it over and over again if you attend the class (correct me if im wrong)



patiently waiting to pay for this lecture.......im actually really excited for this. I didnt have a very good color theory class at Syracuse but we did focus on lighting our models. granted our focus was to help illustrators create a sense of drama and or intrigue, yet it always turned out that the students, including my self, used lighting as an easy way to paint less and produce faster results. So i am really looking forward to wealth of information i am about to learn from this lecture:pirate:


thanks Jason!

[jcaffoe]

Bummer this is happening right in the middle of comic-con, I was really looking forward to the class.

Oh well, I suppose there's always next time...

[Kamikazebob]

Totally just got screwed over for this weekend (work that I cant miss.) PLEASE do this again. There's too much learning to do and not enough time in the world to do it it seems.

[Bur Saalax]

i guarantee my internet is gonna crap out on me if i watch this

[Zaxser]

Is this a single session or actual multi session class?

[dangermarc]

Maybe I'm a total doofus. Where do I sign up? I can't find a link.

[Wasker]

Maybe I'm a total doofus. Where do I sign up? I can't find a link.

I think you are supposed to send a mail to scooter@conceptart.org with the title "COLOR THEORY!" to sign up.

[Jasonwclark]

Alright I pulled together the skrilla and shot off that email. Hopefully I wasn't too late, since everything says Monday and its Wed already.
Got the fingers crossed though. :)

[Brushcommander]

I just signed up, too.
I hoped to see a little test stream but I think I'll just have to take the risk :x
Fingers crossed

[Dark Razvan]

Hey there! I just found out about this today, and I was wondering if I can still join <.<.. cuz I'm gonna have my pay untill this friday, and I reallywant to take this course >,<.. and also, how can I register for the course and how am I suposed to pay?

Thanks in advance! :D

[janni]

i was actually waiting for that test stream to have a look at things first. any news on that? are there still open spots?

[donm]

Hey there! I just found out about this today, and I was wondering if I can still join <.<.. cuz I'm gonna have my pay untill this friday, and I reallywant to take this course >,<.. and also, how can I register for the course and how am I suposed to pay?

Thanks in advance! :D

read the entire thread, the answer you're looking for is in the previous page.

as for everyone else as far as I know we have not recieved any contact from scooter@MB for tuition payment.

and actually im really curious about what's going on behind the scenes right now b/c of this situation and the composition lecture phantom :[

[Wasker]

Yup, I'm with Janni, also waiting for the test. :)

is there any estimated time when scooter@massiveblack.com will hit us back or is it too late to register? I sent him a mail on monday or tuesday I think.

[JohnRambo]

I guess we still have to be patience. Its quite a challenge for MB . They might
get several last minute bug to fix. I m confident that they'll be efficient and get everything work by time even if its at the last minute.

Its in their interest to have the more student sign up for their fund raise. So we just have to be patience and watch the post and are email.

Even if or connection broke down. So what guys we still have a month to view it if you payed.

And for all of those who are wondering if they can afford the money. Its the cheapest thing out there for a good color theory. And it will be well invest in their project .

All of my Teacher in the past who instruct some of it was pretty confusing and didn't always make sense. Even in color theory books don't always explain it wright there are a lot of misunderstanding on the subject.

So I say to you guys, It is the shit! I'm sure it will be the best course of color theory for the price. So we wait and be patience

[dangermarc]

No word from Scooter. I hope I'm in too. Drop that theory on me!

[Lewis-Long]

No word from scooter either. I don't actually mind if we have to wait another week. It means I can use my pay instead of borrowing money. Can't wait either way, going to be a blast!

[Lamp]

Can anyone confirm the correct email address for registration? Some people say Scooter@massiveblack.com, others say Scooter@conceptart.org. I emailed both, but my email to the conceptart.org address failed to be delivered, even after a few attempts.

I sure hope it's not too late to sign up! I would be beyond disappointed if that were the case.

[Arshes Nei]

It's massiveblack.com not conceptart.org.

[Liam Harvey]

im out of this one,time frame would be fine if i hadnt had to work. i also think it may too late to reserve a spot for the tuition. will there end up being a second time for the tutorial?

[mimer]

looks awesome. no money or time for this time round, but definitely looking forward to jumping onto something like this if you decide to make more of them. Great initiative, and I think stuff like this is something which people will contribute to.

Im a complete newbie for most foundation skills in art and this seems like a worthwhile investement so Im gong to look for reactions and reviews from the people who participate in this one. Have fun :)

[Flipnastywebby]

hey this is to the guys/girls who cant make the class.

if you pay for it you still have a full month to view it! so if you have to work Saturday, and you pay for the class, Sunday you can still watch it if you have the password( at least thats how it seems) granted you wouldnt be able to ask direct questions, but that what the discussion forums are for right :pirate:

looking forward to hearing from scooter@MB as well as keeping a sharp eye on this forum......tomorrow couldnt come fast enough :)

[Delmar]

I've sent a mail 5 days ago and still got no reply...frankly I have my doubts that this is going to happen tomorrow.
It would be no big deal if the class gets postponed fore some days, a little hint would be great though...:sungod:

I know you guys are working your ass off to make this happen tomorrow ! I hope everything works out, and I hope I'm in...hehe:)!

cheers

Andi

[thedarkcloak]

I hope we hear something soon... I sent a reg request on Tuesday/ Wednesday and have yet to hear from Scooter.

[Asatira]

I hope to hear something as well. I don't have any information for anything.

[QT Melon]

http://qtmelon.studiokemono.net/wtf/qtsargentcompare.jpg


Thanks to Jason helping me on color theory and another person who told me about Color management and the details of the Sargent Brush in Painter, I think I fixed some color issues.

I'm still working on this! Maybe I'll finish after the lecture tomorrow. The right was the former painting with color management off.

http://qtnoodling.studiokemono.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/qtsargentcolmanagement.jpg

[Aardvarkphil]

I just had to reread the thread because I wondered where the only available for 1 month afterwards came from. To be honest I'm not working in colour at the moment, doing Bargues. After that will come cast drawings and then cast paintings. After a few of these I will start colour. So I think, if vid is only available for 1 month, I'm gonna bow out. Maybe if you offer something later or permanently available I'll jump at it then.

[courtyard]

I just had to reread the thread because I wondered where the only available for 1 month afterwards came from.

I've been wondering this, too...couldn't find it anywhere in this thread. Would someone mind pointing me to where this is mentioned?

[plundh]

I've been wondering this, too...couldn't find it anywhere in this thread. Would someone mind pointing me to where this is mentioned?
Page 2:
Those taking the course will retain access to a video copy of it for their own usage, in streaming form, here on the site for thirty days.

[bloofish]

That is what the second page says but the first post is different. Which is correct? How long will we have access to the streaming video?

[donm]

Woohoo paid< cant wait!~

[Liffey]

Same here! Took the day off work tomorrow for this, and am pretty psyched! And if that composition download really comes out tomorrow morning... then wow, I'm going to have a helluva lot of studying to do!

[Lewis-Long]

Paid! So excited, I got a full day at work then tuition from J Man in the evening! The day is going to go so slow. See you all there!

[Dark Razvan]

I just sent the mail, is there any spot available >.<? I just got paid , that's why I didn't send the mail before >.<... anyways I'll wait for a reply from scooter D:..

[Iridyse]

You can pay at http://www.conceptartstore.com/stcl.html

[Delmar]

Yahaa! Wuhuu! Awesome....:mod:

Just made the payment and got the password.....thanks so much jason and mb for making this possible. I rackon you got loads of stuff to do with the upcoming workshop the board and the live class...still you're right on schedule.
Just amazing! :yayca:

[Carbon Productions]

Paid :D

Out of curiosity, has anyone got their password or did I miss it in the email?

Need more coffee :S

[Delmar]

Paid :D

Out of curiosity, has anyone got their password or did I miss it in the email?

Need more coffee :S


...You need to download the ct.txt file. After you paid, there is a download button on the right side of the paypal window.

[Carbon Productions]

Thank you Delmar, never noticed that - stupid me :bashful:

[travisF]

i payed by credit card and i dont see this ct.txt

[travisF]

nm i got it now

[Chaser226]

I must've missed the button for the pw file (in scooter's email, it said the login info will be sent w/ the payment confirmation....)How can I get it now? I don't have that window open anymore and the confirmation from yahoo store and paypal does not have any links.. =( Help meee

[Aenhimal]

the same happened to me I just have the paypal receipt but didn´t knew about the file :S

No problem, Scooter fixed it ^^

[Michal]

Me too. I've got a confirmation of the transaction, but didn't get the info. Maybe the order needs more time to process... I've done the payment 4 hours ago, but the order status is blank... so if the payment doesn't go through on time - which is in two minutes - and is charged later, that means the money goes down the drain? Or will I be able to at least view it embedded?

[Lamp]

Yep, I just got home (running late) and racing to set this up... but I don't see any password, anywhere. I paid last night, via credit card, and I see no "ct.txt" file anywhere, even on the order confirmation page. Freaking out at the moment. Any help?

[wim]

Hopefully this won't be last time this particular class is organized. Until two weeks ago I hadn't painted in years, so I don't think I would benefit much from this at the moment. But maybe in 6 months or so...

[jubjubjedi]

I need my password!!!!!

[drd]

If only I wasn't broke...

Oh well, have fun guys.

[Twoton]

Still no password for me either. I hope the class is rebroadcast or refunds will be available. Even a rebroadcast isn't optimal because i miss out on the opportunity to ask questions.

[Steffler]

Ok so i get an email inviting me to this class from the CA webmaster it was sent 2 hours before the show. Now I read as much as I could and found I could watch the video here later so I purchased about 15 mins after the show started. Now Its telling me the download is no longer available. Just FYI if you were thinking like me that you could just jump in after the start time. Very confusing purchase

[ninosbombox]

im on the stream now but hasnt started yet. any current info???

[pauscorpi]

Lamp - are u sure that when you paid and your payment was received the button next to the order item did not change to "Download"? this button should let you download the file

[ninosbombox]

yup, everyone is there on the chat, we are all waiting for it..

[dangermarc]

aha! in the order conf I got from yahoo there is a link to the order. go there, enter your email at the bottom, and a DL link shows up. weird

[dangermarc]

!!! but now it's no longer available?!

[Hibryd]

I'm not regularly active on the forums here so I didn't hear anything about this class until I woke up and checked my inbox today. I would have LOVED to attend this class but I didn't hear about it until the very moment it was starting.

Even a 24 hour notice would have been better than reading about it the same day its happening.

[ninosbombox]

you can still get in it hasn't started yet...

[dangermarc]

Anyone know how I can get in if I paid but can't get the password file? It won't let me download it now, and I only just figured out that you had to do that.

I guess if I miss it I can sort it out later, but I'm bummed to have paid and be missing it _right_ _now_ when I am trying to be there.

[icik]

Hope there will be another class! Unfortunately I can't make the one today ... have fun, it sounds great :)

[ninosbombox]

after you pay it should download a text file. it has your password. then just click the link on the forums, thats all i did

[Twoton]

there is an error when you try to download the password file.

[Steffler]

yeah I downloaded a ct.text file from the download link but vista doesnt want to open it... opened with notepad and there was the password I had for about an hour now.

[Twoton]

it gives me this error when I try to download

Unfortunately, the item you are attempting to download is no longer available.
Please contact the merchant if you have any questions.

[Michal]

Yo - everyone that didn't receive the mail with the details - write to scooter@massiveblack.com and write your order number. He'll deal with it. And guys - chill ;)

[petitemistress]

ah... I hate my connection... there is no way I wdve missed this had I a decent connection... I will on the 1st of August and then on tho, so is there any way you could do another one Jason? I'll buy your dwld in the meantime ._. for the love of your schnauzer dammit! :D

[snootchy]

oy i'm an idiot and now i'm getting the error message, 'Unfortunately, the item you are attempting to download is no longer available.
Please contact the merchant if you have any questions.'

[The Magistrate]

Wow, I totally wasn't aware of this until I got the e-mail today. I'd LOVE to participate in this, but as I make a habit of not disgorging sums akin to $95 at the drop of a hat--not to mention the class has already started and doesn't fit into my schedule today anyhow--I will not be able to partake today.

Please do spam my inbox if/when you do another in the future! I'm very interested and will plan for it.

[littleWhiteRhino]

please do this again! If I had found out about this in time I would have attended today.


I am one of many who got nothing from art school.

[Too Many Captains...]

Awesome, awesome awesome. Thanks a TON for doing this, Jason, that was incredibly informative!
mike

[Jason Manley]

I am so thankful for everyones patience while I was late. Thank you thank you thank you. I will be in touch. Todays class turned into six hours of non stop sharing of info and I think I am officially ready for an early rest. You guys asked a ton of great questions and I hope everyone got something out of it.


I will be doing another course tomorrow for those who missed today or want to sign up. I will post that thread shortly.

Thank you so much for the support.



Jason Manley

[courtyard]

If anyone missed the class, you can still sign up for tomorrow's. I can't recommend it highly enough--I have 10+ pages of notes that are all crammed with extremely useful information.

*edit: oops...too slow, lol

[Alex Chow]

Darn. I was hoping it could be later than tomorrow, even one day later D:

I guess I'll have to live with the composition download whenever it comes out.

[arghmisfit]

Thanks for doing this Jason. It was defiantly worth the money! More than 80% of that stuff i haven't heard before so it was good to hear.

I was thinking, It would be great to get into an Anatomical class from someone sometime in the future!

[ErikStorstein]

Thanks Jason, it was great. It's 5am here now soon, so I have to get some sleep now. Kept me interested all the way through, and I learned a lot which I can't wait to try out and apply to my own works in the future :) Cheers, and good night

[Pixeltuner]

Same here, 5 a.m. :D Time for a good night cigarette to give all the info some rest :)
Thanks Jason, it was amazing.

[Radiculous]

Will there be another class? dayum i missed it. :( shiz shiz shiz....!!!1

[-Zer0-]

That class was amazing, Jason. I enjoyed every moment of it. I expanded my note book by at least 8-10 pages. I can't thank you enough for your time and commitment. Thank you so much. I recommend this class to anyone and everyone.

[SolidIdea]

Thanks for the great lecture Jason! I recommend everyone who had not the chance to see it try to, tomorrow. It's totally worth, 6 hours of awesome sharing of knowledge. And thanks to Davi for helping Jason with the stuff!

[Arshes Nei]

Thank you Jason for spending so many hours with us covering a lot of material. I think you said it best when you asked a question near the 3rd quarter of the lecture "How many of you were taught what I've been showing you here" and that question spoke volumes. Given that the responses were correct. What you taught in 6 hours aren't even covered in a lot of Art Schools these days. I know a lot of the material you were posting was barely covered at the Art Institute I went to. There was the general info you can find at the library in the "easy to read" books.

Thank you too for offering some time out of your schedule to offer some crits in how to improve works too. Thank those participating who offered their work as examples.



A suggestion to those who attend these broadcasts. - Please avoid using colored fonts and use them to highlight a question only. Jason really goes through and answers a lot of people's questions which is a bonus, so it would be great for more people to refrain from pretty texty colors unless you got a question - the method worked great because he was able to pick up on some good questions asked during the lecture.

Some other advice is that if you like to multi-tab on your browser, it will eventually slow you down. Firefox has some memory abuse issues, so the longer you're on the more you'll feel it - (if other people have tips for other browsers ...please let me know).

Other troubleshooting tips is to make sure you have the livestream open in one browser and don't have other things that use audio or video on...vlc, youtube...etc. kill any extra processes that may affect your internet too.

Thank you again for the lectures, you really brought up some really beautiful examples of Master painters, and yes! Thank you for showing some good theories done by Anders Zorn. There are some wonderful interactive moments in these lectures that don't show up in a download.

[Liffey]

Had to leave a little early, but will hopefully be catching the end of tomorrow's class. Very helpful and well worth the $95, I'll definitely be reviewing this and taking more detailed notes over the next month. I can't wait to apply this new knowledge to some of the stuff I'm working on. :)

[medik]

Yes!

Thanks a ton for doing this. Glad I decided to attend. Will definitely show up again tomorrow and review the recording like crazy to really make the info sink in. Very useful stuff!

[Flakari Leader]

I'll have to catch this again tomorrow, so much information was packed in what I heard it was making my head spin. Great stuff.

[Just Call Me Bruce!]

Thank you Jason Manley, stayed up all night, original lecture time was meant to be 3:30am here turned out to be about quarter past six (understandable given the circumstances), it's now 1:25pm and am really tired (not used to all nighter) but was totally worth it and I'll be watching it again some time later this mouth for sure

Thank you again (waiting for composition download now)

[Chaser226]

Thanks Jason, learned a lot from the class today. 80% of the course was completely new information about color to me, thanks for delivering on the promise. I'll be listening in again for Sunday's class to take more notes since I tried to only listen today.

[Jack the R]

I'd buy it as a downloadable video. I can't watch YouTube without buffering every 6 seconds so there's little point in signing up for the class.

[Lee]

PAID cant wait!!!!!!!!!! thanks for doing this a second time. Now all i need is that composition download! and btw the coro portrait D/L is some of the best stuff yet. Can't wait for 4.0.

[Vaejoun]

Sadly I am not able to take part in this.

Will there be a DVD summary of this or a way to maybe read what was said ?
Still looking forward for the composition DVD

[pauscorpi]

Thank you! for 6 hours i don't think there was a single minute not filled with valuable information, i think i'll never look at colour the same way.

the class is absolutely worth time and money if anyone is still wondering ;)

[Camilla]

It was really great. I was particularly pleased to see how much you used the old masters' paintings as an example. That was very instructive.
Finally, I understood how Rembrandt made blue with a 4-colour palette. That was really an aha!-experience.

I'll be there again today.

[Scorched]

Definitely worth the money for the lecture. Not a single boring moment in it. I'm saying that as an absolute beginner to colour.

If you're a beginner like me, Jason's lecture will pretty much show you the things you need to be aware of and all the principles we need to work towards. :)

[-D_art-]

Thanks a ton Jason, the money, the waiting and staying awake until 4:45 A.M. was all worth for the quality of your lecture, tons of priceless information that i´ll mever find somewere else. I´ll be participating to second one too ;p

Q: will we be able to download it? Cuz there was so much information, that i´m afraid i´ll forget some stuff, especially if its important, and i would like to have the video to watch again and again, whenever i need to.

Thanks Jason, and also thanks to Davi, for this wonderful experience, see you again at 1 P.M. ;)

[yAdam]

Like everyone has said, the class was definately worth the money. It was great fun to be involved in a lecture done like this, I learnt a lot and
can't recommend it enough! Cheers Jason.

[Scanadensis]

I am really interested in doing this, but I'm at work all day today and it's probably just 2 hours before I get out of work.. will there be a recording available to buy?

[zephyri]

Just wanted to come and add my praise for last night's class. If anyone's reading these wondering if it's worth the $95, I would have happily paid double. If there's one thing that really sells this as a class it's Jason's passion. This man and his colleagues are putting their hearts and souls into the means to teach those of us who wish to know all this traditionally sound information that a lot of art schools simply don't know any more, or charge a fortune to teach. That really comes across in the way he talks about light and colour, and the way he talks about the direction he wants to take conceptart.org. Watching that download has given me an amazing desire to really want to get involved in this community again (soon as work's done) because I honestly believe this place is going to be something special when they start bringing in this new tech.

The class was very organic in it's structure: I got the sense Jason had no particular direction, aside from wanting to cover certain aspects in a certain order. Much of the information on offer was prompted by questions asked by those who attended, and there was no issue with covering something multiple times, if it was felt that people were struggling to understand it. It's also opened my eyes to a large number old masters that I was unaware of, and the way the Jason explains how various paintings and photographs implement what he's trying to teach was great.

I really can't recommend this class enough. If you've ever been taught by anyone in your life whose passion rubbed off on you, you'll know what a difference it makes to the way you take the information in, and Jason is more that capable of enthusing those he teaches with the same passion that clearly comes across when he talks. $95 is a steal for information that, if you have the passion to improve your art and the motivation to keep trying, will last you a lifetime!

Personal thanks for all your hard work Jason, the reason I took this class was because though my work is getting on okay, I often have no idea why certain pictures work, and certain ones don't, and last night has really, really opened my eyes a lot to the devices that can be manipulated to give me a better result. Absolutely brilliant, and your professional and personal generosity is really astounding. :yayca:

[Burtzum]

Dammit. Sucks having to work weekends all the time. Miss out on all the parties.

[daestwen]

Thank you so much, Jason, for the class yesterday. I had to miss a bit of it and I really regret it! The rest of the class was really great!

[hala]

Can't attend the second session either, but I do hope you teach this class again sometime in the future with more notice for the date :)

[Carbon Productions]

Hey Jason, was watching the class last night. Can't believe how much we learned :)

Looking forward to watching it again and taking more notes (got over 10 pages already) Colour is slowley but surely making sense now.

Huge thank you to yourself and everyone else involved. :D

[Trashy]

More praise here Jason, this is really essential information for learning color and it is almost a crying shame they really don't teach this in the schools anymore.

I've sorta been feeling like I got stuck in the gutters lately not being sure on how to tackle my pieces and just...well...feeling down. Maybe it's because I'm too hard on myself sometimes but this really gave me more confidence in approaching not just color but also your art in general. Yeah this was a great class and can't recommend it enough. Jason thank you again for all your hard work...dude I would just like to meet you one day and shake your hand for just everything you do for this community and the arts...seriously.

Guys whats in this lecture you'll likely won't learn in most of those thousand dollar art courses. $95 is a steal for this kind of information.

Again, thanks Jason and also to everyone else who was in the class. I'll be there again today trying to soak up as much of this knowledge as possible.

[monochromalice]

So I just paid for today's class in a half hour... where do i go to view the lesson? and what is this about a password? i didn't get anything with email. paid by credit card, not paypal.

[Monkeydominator]

After an entire weekend without Internet, I come home to discover that there's a second chance to this course.

And of course I discover this when they're halfway through it.

I think I might just kill myself horribly.

[sandman]

Well, it is Sunday 26th, 2.44 p.m CDT, I paid for the lecture, went to the link page, entered my password (which was accepted), but all I have seen since 12.45 CDT is a spinning antenna in the centre of what I assume to be the viewing area in the browser.

I am using a Mac with Safari as the browser (also tried Firefox), same result, no lecture :nohope:

I have a broadband connection with just under 10 MB download speed if that helps to eliminate any possibility.

David

[Jason Manley]

For those few who had issues I will issue a refund. I will run this class again in a couple months if you missed it you will get a shot to hear it again.


J

[sandman]

For those few who had issues I will issue a refund. I will run this class again in a couple months if you missed it you will get a shot to hear it again.


J

Hi Jason,

I was just very disappointed that I could not view it. I have the latest versions of both Firefox and Safari, with the latest Flash player plugin. Unfortunately, I only have access to a Mac, and cannot use Internet Explorer.

Is it possible to view a recording in another format, and is the current format Windows viewable only?

David

[blau]

Is it possible to buy the video stream of the course like one of the other downloads? I'd buy.

[Dracowyr]

Sadly, I don't have the funds available until tomorrow (!!) to actually take this. Alas...I hope that we have the opportunity to take this again soon!!

[Liffey]

Second class just finished. I was able to catch the majority of both classes. SUPER helpful, well worth the $95. This class really did open my eyes to a lot of things, and will leave its mark on every color piece I do from now on. If you missed this, make sure to save up for the next one!

[~Faust~]

Wow, more than 7 hours of lecture. This was intense to say the least. So much information I didn't run across yet and weren't really likely to in the near future. Thank you plenty, Jason!

[Alex Chow]

Information overload!!